The Glenn Beck Program - Best of the Program | Guest: Eric Trump | 10/1/25

Episode Date: October 1, 2025

The government has shut down, which means planes will fall out of the sky and China will take over and American citizens will be forced to learn Mandarin, all because Republicans refused to allow health care for illegal aliens. Glenn gives his prediction on how this government shutdown will turn out. “Under Siege” author Eric Trump joins to give an unfiltered look inside the Trump family, which has been politically targeted since Trump descended the escalator in 2015. Glenn gives a powerful speech on the power of forgiveness and discusses the critical gift of discernment and its lifesaving potential. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

All right, we take on a few things on today's podcast. First of all, the government shutdown. Oh, my gosh, planes are going to fall out of the skies. It's so horrific. Planes will fall out of the sky. No, they're not going to. In fact, good things might happen on this government shutdown. We talked about that.

Also, Eric Trump spends about 45 minutes with us today in the podcast. We get the highlights here. We talked to him about his new book that is out, and it's all about the persecution of the Trump family. It's an amazing story. Let's talk to him about that. And probably some of the best, I mean, miracles are happening. Miracles are happening. And I want to share a couple of them that you'll hear highlighted here in today's podcast.

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Glenback program. I want to tell you about Lisa Louise. Lisa Louise is the daughter of Craig Hayden. Craig Hayden is one of the men that was killed on Sunday at the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in Michigan. She wrote a letter that I read this morning that is absolutely incredible. Before I give you that, I want to tell you what this LDS community has done for the shooter's family. I saw this tweet yesterday. This morning with our burned down church still smoldering and four saints murdered, maybe more, members of the Church of Jesus Christ raised $60,000 for the shooter's wife and children. Most donations are anonymous. So I started reading

the notes in this. In this world, you shall have tribulations, but be of good cheer. I have overcome the world. I'm a member of the Church of Jesus Christ's letters a saints. I pray that everyone gets the care that they need your son and that his whole family feel the pure love of Christ. Another giver, anonymous, may we spread peace, not more division. Be willing to bear one another's burdens and pray that they may be light. Be willing to mourn with those who mourn, yea, comfort those who stand in need of comfort. Another $10 mourning with those who mourn regardless of cause. Sending my love from your, this is to the shooter's wife.

Sending my love from your LDS family, I'm sorry for your loss. I believe your husband will find peace and healing in Jesus' embrace. I hope this small contribution helps you in some way. Another one, my prayers are with your family. I know Jesus Christ loves all. of his children and expects us to help each other. May he send his spirit to be with you to provide peace and comfort during this difficult time. Another giver in Christ we find healing. Blessed are the peacemakers they shall be called children of God, Matthew. Praying that you find healing and peace.

I'm a member of the Church of Jesus Christ, Latter-day Saints, and I hope you find peace during this time, I am certain that my small donation cannot make up for your pain and loss, but I pray you may find it in the days ahead. Many are asking why and not sure that we will ever fully know the answer, but in the mix I know this, in Christ we can and are made whole. He knows you perfectly. I want to do my part and forgive and help those in need, and I am certain your family needs help, and I support my fellow brothers and sisters for donating, even when this is hard. We deeply know what it is to be hated while just trying to do good. Our church and community will not do that to you, Sister Sanford.

We pray for you and welcome you with open arms. Just like Jesus taught us, $20 comes from an anonymous giver. This is the way. God is good. $25 comes in from another anonymous giver. We know families have hidden pains and sorrows. We are sorry. There is no way to help before this tragedy.

God, not time, heals all wounds. Love is spoken here. So you're now seeing one of my favorite stories in modern history of forgiveness, the Amish. They went to heal. a family as they were still pulling the bodies of their children out of a school. They went to heal the family of the shooter, stood with his mother, loved his mother, helped rebuild her house and said, you can't leave our community. You can't leave our community. You're part of our community,

and we love you. And I have always admired the Amish so much for their understanding of forgiveness. and I am so proud to see that it is happening now somewhere else this time in Michigan. So that's one miracle that I saw. And that is a miracle. To forgive when you naturally want to hate is a miracle. Now let me tell you this miracle. This was written by the daughter Lisa Louise of Craig Hayden. she is she writes this letter right after the thick of all of it and she writes this after she's

been interviewed by the FBI and she tells the story about how she was kneeling over her father's body her the gunman Thomas Jacob Sanford has just killed her father and he comes into the comes into the church and he's just asking, you believe in Jesus Christ or Joseph Smith? And if he didn't like your answer, you didn't answer fast enough, he shot you. He shoots her father.

He goes down. He's dead now. He then looks at her, points the gun at her, and asks the question. I want you to listen to the letter, and this is what she testified to, the FBI on. I want you to listen to this. I know many of you don't want to hear this.

But when I gave a description of Thomas to the FBI, I told them that he had blue eyes, blue eyes, brightened by tears, red and teary. All I saw as I searched my memory was his blue eyes. when he came over to me I felt very calm, very peaceful even as I kneeled over my father. My hands were still on my father. As the gunman approached me,

it felt like a long time. I stared into his eyes. While I answered his question, the only way I can describe what I saw was I saw into his soul. I never took my eyes off of his eyes, and something happened.

I saw pain. I felt how lost he was. I deeply felt it with every fiber of my being. I forgave him, because I could see his pain. I forgave him right there, not in words, but with my heart. Later, I kept asking to see a picture.

of him. Something about his blue eyes caused me confusion. I question if I was remembering what I actually saw correctly. When I finally saw his pictures, his eyes were not blue. I couldn't understand. I know what I saw. It was seared into my brain. In the middle of the night, while I was texting my sister, I realized it was my eyes. It was my eyes. It was my eyes. I was my eyes. eyes I saw. I saw into his soul and he saw into mine. He let me live. I'm sharing this now because I believe it's just one of the many reasons I was there, just one of the reasons. And one of the reasons I needed to share this for Papa, for Dad, but also for anyone who could set aside hate. Maybe that time won't be now for you. Maybe it will be one day.

what we say and what we do matters quoting Yoda fear breeds anger anger breeds hate hatred breeds suffering if we can stop the hate we can stop the suffering but stopping the hate takes all of us i promise you if just for one month you can stop using crude language if you can stop if you can stop taking the Lord's name in vain you will feel a change and you start there if you can stop letting anger in hate cannot spread and we can stop it we can stop the anger and the hate and stop the suffering somewhere for someone i had a talk show host that i think you love call me last week they said Glenn i don't know how to deal with all of this because, you know, we've always said we're on the front lines, but we didn't mean

on the front lines. And now we're on the front lines. And I realize every time I go to do something and I say goodbye to my children, I might be saying goodbye to my children for the last time. And I didn't realize that until now. And I don't know how to deal with it. Right now you're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck program. And don't forget, check out the full show for even more. We're back with more after a word from our sponsor. Let me tell you about our sponsor. It's my Patriot Supply.

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a lot of people feel they have gone through in their life. But man, they have tried to kill you guys. They have tried to put you in jail. They've tried to destroy you every single step of the way. Tell me about the motivation for putting that all down on paper. Yeah, Len, I think that's right. It went to Amazon number one almost instantly under siege. And it's been incredible.

But I came up with the, you're right? I mean, I was a guy who didn't have any constitutional protections. I wasn't in government. So guess who they came after? They came after me. I was the most subpoenaed person in American history, all because I ran the Trump organization, which was, you know, effectively what my father spent his entire life doing. And they wanted to see us taken down. They wanted to see us destroyed. I mean, look what they did, right, between two impeachments, they raided our home, they silenced us. They gag ordered us. There's more gag orders than I can possibly count. They took us off of Twitter. They took us off of Facebook. They took us off of Instagram. You know, they made up the phony dossier that was paid for by Hillary Clinton. They made up Russiagate. Glenn, I was a guy. who was getting the call from the FBI saying, you know, Eric, I hear you have secret servers communicating with the Kremlin in the basement of Trump Tower. I mean, give me a break. They tried to take out our Supreme Court justices. I mean, they did everything. They weaponized the media.

They weaponized the DOJ. They weaponized the FBI. They charged my father 91 times, 91 criminal counts. They find the Trump organization almost $600 million for not doing a damn thing wrong. And all of this stuff has been overturned, but they wanted to see us non-existent. They wanted to see our family broken. They wanted to see, you know, my father in jail. They probably wanted to see me in jail. You know, and then I said on Sean Hannity one night, I, Sean, you know, they've done all of this to us. They put us under siege. I wouldn't be surprised that they tried to kill my father. And then you saw what happened at Butler. And then you saw what happened, you know, eight weeks later, a Trump international in West Palm. You saw what just happened to Charlie. I mean, I published

this book literally three days before Charlie Kirk's assassination. I mean, you want to talk about another time they tried to put our movement under siege. They've done it to you. They've done it to every single one of your listeners. They've debanked us. They've be de-platformed us. And the story had to be told from a first-person perspective who effectively dealt with all of it. And the greatest part of the whole story is we won. We won and we're saving the country right now. So, Eric, how do you deal with? I just had a conversation with somebody I think is really, really smart. Doesn't agree with me politically, but very well educated, very smart, and a reasonable person. And he immediately brought up the weaponization of our government with the DOJ and James Comey.

And I said, I'm sorry. I'm sorry, blood is shooting out of my eyes right now. Hang on, the weaponization of our government with the DOJ and James Comey. And I had to explain to him that your dad didn't say you're fired if you don't go get him. Your father said, make a decision. Make a decision. Don't let the statute of limitations go out. And it went through a grand jury process. Two out of the three charges were valid. And so you prosecute. That's different than what you guys. Can you compare James Comey and what's happening there to what was done with you guys? Well, I'll give you a little inside baseball. So I was the guy that got the call when they were rating Marlod. Right. Obviously, I run all our commercial properties and our entire portfolio, everything in the Trump. organization. So I got a call from all my team members. The FBI is here with a with a search warrant. And I go, excuse me? What do you mean? We have like the greatest relationship with all law enforcement where we love law enforcement. No, they're coming in. They have a search warrant

to raid Marlago right now. And I go, you must be kidding me. And I go, why? Well, they're saying that the National Archives, you know, ask the FBI to raid Marlago. You mean, I look at the glorified public library, you know, you have 30 FBI agents there with machine guns because NARA, you know, for the raid. I went on Fox News that night. I think it was Jesse Waters or somebody. I went on Fox News that night. Give me a break. Like I wasn't born yesterday. Like you don't, you don't raid Mar-a-Lago, the former president's home and very likely the future president again, because my father was doing great. You don't raid that home based on the national archives. Like, you better believe Biden was behind this. Sure enough, you know, 18 months later, it comes out

that Biden was behind it. And Merrick Arland was 100% behind it. And they were the ones that authorized it. And the weaponizations, unlike anything I'd ever seen. I mean, Glenn, we were, we were a family that's never gotten so much as a speeding ticket ever in our lives. And we lived a pretty fast life in terms of, of business and life until my father decided that he was looking to run again in 2024, in which case they indicted him 34 times for a $130,000 payment that he didn't even make. Like, I mean, people, people who were sitting in the courtrooms couldn't even possibly believe it. Again, we've had every single one of them overturned, But when I hear them talking about James Comey, who clearly, I mean, it very much looked like to me lied to, you know, to Ted Cruz in that congressional area, that testimony that day.

I mean, give me a break. I mean, these guys, I probably spent $400 million defending ourselves from hoaxes. I mean, the Russia hoax, we had disproved to the FBI day one. We didn't have secret servers. There are no servers in the basement of Trump Tower because basements flood. You don't put, you know, like a computer's 101. You don't put servers in basements, right? You know, we didn't know anybody in Russia.

They knew this. And they let this sham get perpetrated for three years so that one greedy woman could possibly get, you know, two more votes. And then when she lost in an embarrassing fashion to people who didn't know what a damn delegate was, i.e. our family, because we'd never been in politics before, you know, they needed some way to justify her embarrassing performance. They took your father off the ballot in Maine. tried to take him off in Colorado. That to me is the weaponization of the political system by going after you guys for the servers by changing documents, literally FBI changing documents to go after people in

your organization on the Russia gate stuff, changing the documents for a FISA court. That's true weaponization. Is there a chance that the Comey thing is going to bleed into a larger prosecution? Because I've been watching this. Eric, I've been watching this from the beginning. I was watching this when I was not for your president, your father being president in 2016 saying,

wait a minute, this isn't right. What is this? This isn't right. It is so clear that this now was, I mean, the evidence is all there that this was a plan from the beginning that is quite honestly, I believe, still going on. Is there a chance? Do you know if the grand conspiracy thing is going to

happen? Listen, I hope it does, right? I'm not in government, but it's the entire thesis of the book. I dealt with this more than anybody in the country for a 10-year period of time. They wanted us gone. I mean, Glenn, they were planting documents in Marilago in my father's office. They were planting top secret folders on the carpet of my father's office. They admitted that to Judge Cannon that they literally brought in top secret folders. And they stayed photos shoots on my father's office floor. Right? The whole thing was contrived.

The whole thing was a setup. The Russia thing was a scam. The dirty dossier that said that my father was doing horrible things, the most unthinkable things. you know, it was a sham. The impeachment number one was a sham. The impeachment number two was a sham. To have seven judges in Colorado just delete my father's name from a ballot was a sham. The fact that, you know, again, a guy who works very hard has never crossed any line in his life became the most subpoenaed person in American history, me. It was a sham. I mean, you know, I didn't have a laptop from hell. I wasn't Hunter Biden. I wasn't doing illicit drugs. I wasn't, you know, partaking in prostitution. I didn't have racy photos. all over my, you know, and I sure as hell wasn't doing illegal business deals all over the world with every shady country, as he very much seemed to be doing. And yet, they came after us relentlessly. So do I think that that that criminality has to be paid for in some way? I do.

And I just, I find it so ironic when you see Chuck Schumer up there and Jake Tapper, I'm not sure if you saw him the other day, you know, this is the weaponization of the government at his finest. Give me a break. I, I've taken more arrows than, than anybody. could possibly take and still be standing. And my father, he's taken unlimited arrows, all in defense of this nation that we love. And, you know, it's, I mean, it's true irony and it's true projection. Let me, let me take 10 seconds for station ID. And then I want to talk to you about, has there ever been a time when you guys have said,

I, it's enough back in 10 seconds. So I don't know. I mean, I am amazed at your family. I'm amazed at your father. The things that you guys have put up with, the things that you have come through. And at some point, did anyone in the family say,

Dad, please. I mean, we want Grandpa to be around. Stop. Please. Did that ever happen? You know what? It's kind of funny. I think that's exactly what they thought was going to happen.

I think they thought that they could take. you know, this kind of New York billionaire and make his life so uncomfortable that he would want to go back to Palm Beach, Florida, play golf, hang out with his grandkids, fly around on Trump Force One, you know, live at Marlago, live a great life, right? And there's no question that was their calculus, you know, how do we make fun of him, how do we silence him, how do we bankrupt him, how do we go after his family, how do we raid his home, how do we indict him, right? You know, how do we break up his business? How do we strip the Trump name off of every building in New York City? I mean, those are all the things that I dealt with. And, you know, I think,

I think they wholly misunderstood him. And, you know, maybe it's like a masochistic type quality, but like the harder they hit him and the harder they hit us, the more resilient we were. I was in those courtrooms, Len, with my father every single day. When they turned around in New York and read off 34 felony, bogus felony counts, you know, with a corrupt judge. And, you know, you know, you know, a lot about that trial, my father stood around, you know, turned around, you know, shook my hand. We left the courthouse. We did a press conference. I mean, I was speaking on the front stairs to those, you know, that courthouse every single day to the press.

I remember my father was gagged. And then we went down and we did big fundraiser. I mean, we literally left a courthouse after being, having 34 felony indictment and went to a political fundraiser. I mean, the man never stopped. He was the energizer bunny in a red tie wearing a suit on steroids. And the harder they hit him, the harder he worked, the harder he fought back. But beyond that, I think the more than American people realized this whole thing was a sham. I mean, there's only so many times you can cry wolf.

before everybody realizes this nonsense. And they cried wolf of Russia and everybody saw that. And they cried wolf with the impeachments and everybody saw that. And people fundamentally started distrusting the mainstream media in this country. And independent voices like yours all of a sudden became the most powerful, you know, we've ever seen in the nation's history. And, you know, and all of a sudden this whole thing turned around where people started realizing, hey, the harder they hit this guy, the more I like him because this is the system.

This is the corruption at work. And listen, obviously it worked because my father won the popular vote. He won every single swing state. You know, he won 11 counties in California that had never been run by a Republican. In 37 years, no Republicans won Miami-Dade County. We won it by 11 points. And every single state in the country, all 50 states, tacked way right. You know, and so clearly their games didn't work, but that's what they wanted.

They wanted to make his life so damn uncomfortable that he would bow out of the race and say, you know what, let's just go live my glory years at Marlago living, you know, living out the American dream as an ex-president and a wholly underestimated man. But you, the whole family was like that? I mean, everybody in the family. I mean, I don't say this is, I mean, you guys are amazing. Even if you would have said, Dad, stop it. Please, not for us.

For you, stop it. It's not a sign of weakness. I just am amazed that no one in the family ever, just sat down and said at that point I think we were up to our eyeballs meaning you know they had us in every you know I had I had a hundred depositions I had a hundred

to penis on my desk they were they were raiding our homes they were they were trying everything they possibly could to take us out to bankrupt us you had liturgy James in New York you know the corruption that was that case that I just had overturned five to zero you know by the appellate courts in New York

there was an absolute sham with a sham judge you had the Alvin Bragg nonsense you had the Fannie Willis nonsense with her boyfriend in Georgia. You had the Jack Smith as he plants documents at Marlago and Rantax's Mellonius closet and Barron's room and, you know, in our home. You know, at this point, we were, we were neck deep in it. I mean, we had no other choice. I mean, if we would have given up then, you know, we would have been dead. They would have taken us out. And there was one point. I talked about it in the book where my father looks at me coming out of that courtroom and he says, you know, honey, I don't know how, but we're going to win. And I said, listen, we either win or

we're all going to be in jail because that's exactly what these corrupt people will do to us. And then again, it's a great irony that I find in, you know, the way the Democrats are treating the Comey indictment this week. It's, they would have put us all in jail and had us wrought there for eternity. Oh, yeah. You know, had we had we not had pulled it off. That was their exact intent. And they had weaponized the entire system in order to make that happen. So my wife and I just, we just moved to Florida.

and we live, you know, near the Trump National Golf Course. We were driving by. And I thought everything this family has done, everything this brand has gone through. I think it's a more powerful brand now than ever before. And part of it is the way you guys have dealt with the, you know, just weathered every storm. But also, I think your dad, I've had a lot of respect for your dad as a builder. and I watched him build buildings in New York. And honestly, Eric, I really thought because he could build things twice as fast as anybody else in New York.

And I'm like, how does this guy not have mob connections? How do you do business without the mob? And nothing, clean, clean, clean. So I don't know how he does what he does. He's just a machine. But I feel like everything he has done in a strange change change of topic here. I think he found the golf course and the golf resorts are like that's, I think he's,

I think he's the best at that in the world now. Well, well, thank you, by the way. And that's almost a great compliment to me because I've done every single one of them with him. And,

you know, I bought most of those properties and developed every single one around the world. And we're really good at it. And, you know, it's really funny when I, you know,

when he's talking about Gaza the other day and he goes, you know, the potential for, this place, what I could make this place into would be so incredible. And then the Democrats come out, oh, ha, ha, what do you know about building? Right? It's like, it's like when AOC came after Elon Musk, you know, oh, ha, ha, Elon Musk, like, the least qualified person to run the FAA. I'm saying, this guy is catching rockets with top sticks. Like, you might not want to, you know, belittle him. He's got, you know, about 4,000 times the IQ of you, AOC, but, you know, and they're trying to do the same

thing to my father. I mean, there's no one that, there's no one that's a better builder. And I had his genetics. I mean, he'll, he'll tell you. the two of us are like two peas in a pot with that. That's what I do. And by the way, Blan, I got the library approved yesterday. It's going to be in Miami, Florida, and it's spectacular. So we just got the greatest site in Florida, and I'm going to be building that, and I promise you, it's not going to look like the Brock Hussein Obama presidential library in Chicago that looks like a jailhouse. They're literally going around neighborhoods in Chicago. They're like, what does that building look like? And everybody's like, man,

it looks like a jail. It's going to be a spectacular building. But now, I think my father will, And now, 10 years ago, I would have said what he would have wanted on his tomb zone was the greatest developer, the greatest builder. You know, I think today it's a man who literally not only inspired a nation, but opened the eyes of the entire nation to how we were getting ripped off

the flaws of government and how much better we could be running this country, which he's doing right now. Well, I've never seen anything like it. You know, and he said, hey, I'm going to be the greatest president. I thought, well, that's, you know, I'm a historian.

I know history. That's a pretty high standard. I told them myself, I think you are, I think you're in the Abraham Lincoln. You keep going. You're in the Abraham Lincoln, George Washington kind of territory.

And it may take 100 years for people to realize that. But I've never seen anything like it. You're streaming the best of Glenn Beck. To hear more of this interview and others, download the full show podcasts, wherever you get podcasts. Well, the government is shut down.

Boy, boy, boy, boy. I'm really, and somebody called me at home last night, what I'm a rat about. Somebody called from the family and said, is it safe to fly tomorrow? And I'm like, what, why? What are you hearing? Government shutting down. Plan's going to fall out of the sky. No, they're not going to fall out of the sky. Well, let me just say that. Today, I'm not sure I would, I would try to be someplace that's not under the sky. Let's just say that, just to be safe, be someplace not under the sky, because the planes are going to be falling. And when I say the planes are going to fall out of the sky, I mean more than Boeing planes are going to be falling out of the sky today because it's going to be chaos, complete chaos.

The government is this, and by the way, you should start taking Mandarin because the Chinese are going to invade because the army is on furlough now because of these damn republics. Oh, wait, no, hang on, just to say, is the Democrats. The Democrats who are being so unbelievably irresponsible. You know what they always say when the Republicans do this? They're so irresponsible. And you're like, wait a minute, no. This time they're being very, very irresponsible. The Democrats are because the Republicans just would not allow health care to be extended to all illegal aliens.

I heard, I actually heard somebody on CNN. yesterday say all people have a right to health care. No, I mean, you mean American citizens? No, all people. So illegals. All people of Earth should be able to have universal health care. Oh, okay. Well, why don't we just start writing that check for the Chinese too? You know, the poor Greeks, man, they really have Cuba. They're having a hard time with their health care system. There are a lot of places collapsing. We should just write the check for everybody on earth for their health care.

How does that even make sense? Now, the Democrats are in a really precarious situation because they had to acquiesce to the extreme left because their base wants to fight. And I think literally fight, but at least in this particular case, it means you can't, you have to walk out on a deal. You cannot accept it unless you have universal health care. And so they said, uh, now, Republicans, what a surprise. No, not going to do it. Actually, it is kind of a surprise. Wouldn't you say, Stu, it is kind of a surprise that they're not saying yes to even more spending. Uh, yes. And we can't rule it out quite yet, but it's, oh yeah. The fact that they didn't

immediately before the shutdown even just agree to whatever they wanted to spend is nice. Correct. Correct. So I, I, If I may make a prediction, see where I'm wrong on this. My prediction of how this thing is going to work is we're going to shut down because the Republicans didn't want to spend more money, and the Democrats wanted to spend a trillion dollars more. And so what will happen is we'll shut down, but we'll spend more money, and we'll end up paying for it. And then they'll just sign another continuing resolution,

and nothing really will be done. That's a little pessimistic. there, Glenn. I think you have a little more optimism here. It only comes from 60 years of watching our government. Yes, although I do think things are a little bit different right now, right? I do. You know, I think the Republicans are in a place where they have more cards than the Democrats do. There's a good chance that Democrats wind up getting blamed for this by the American people, not the media, but by the American people. They don't like shutdowns, even though I'm honestly not that broken out about them. I'm thrilled.

Yeah. And then you have the other part of this, which is maybe the Russell Vaught, you know, Donald Trump. That's real. By the way, is that how you say his name? Because I've always thought it was Russ. I've heard both ways. So I don't know. I'm just going to go back and forth to confuse people. But yeah, that's a they, in case you don't know what we're talking about here, the, there's a,

Russ, he put together this plan over the four years where they were out of power to try to maximize opportunities like this. And he, you know, there's this long profile just written in the New York Times about how scary and terrifying he is. for those reasons. Because he's smart and prepared. When you hear Trump talk about, hey, we're just going to fire these people and not bring them back, you know, that is, you know, it's Trump's plan.

It's Trump's idea with Russ's execution behind it. And so that's the thought here is that maybe you can get some long-term gains out of this. One of my other favorite nuggets on this, Glenn, is the health care credits that they're looking for, that the Democrats say they want, right? They're like, we got to have these. We can't have a seven week, which was the proposal by Republicans, seven weeks of just continuing the spending and figuring things out.

So currently those tax credits are in effect. They are available right now. Republicans want to end them. The interesting part is they don't run out in the seven week period that Republicans are proposing to increase or to continue the spending. So they wouldn't go away if everybody just signed on to the Republican plan, which by the way. I mean, neither one of us particularly like. It's just increasing, spending at these ridiculous levels for another seven weeks. But these credits that they're so worried about, they're going to

kill all these people and the healthcare is going to go away. Don't go away during that time period. They go away after that. And they're saying, well, people are going to get notified that they're going away in that period. And therefore, we have to shut down the government so that people wouldn't get notifications that they might be going away, we have to stop it before that. That's their big plan. You would think that the Democrats would want people to be notified that they're going away because it would help their case. Right.

Well, I mean, there's an argument to be made that maybe they do. But I think a lot of that is just they're making things up as they go along, right? You know, that doesn't sound like the Democratic Party. Like Chuck Schumer last time when he was threatened with evil Russ and his evil plans said, okay, we're going to fold and we're going to just keep the government going at the current levels. And this time,

he's saying the exact opposite. And he's saying, because the last time his idea was, well, they're going to fire all these people. This time he's saying, well, they're firing all these people anyway. Like, they just change, move the goalposts, change the arguments, and act as if this all makes sense. And so here's what I would like to see Donald Trump do.

Because I read this morning, and I don't know what rag it was, but they were saying, you know, Donald Trump, he's bluffing. He's bluffing. I, I, you know, no, I don't think he is. I hope he's not. Listen to Donald Trump yesterday on this cut to one. If Doge is already reducing the federal workforce, why is it necessary to link more federal jobs cut to a shutdown? Well, the Democrats want to shut it down. So when you shut it down, you have to do layoffs. So we'd be laying off a lot of people that are going to be very affected. And the Democrats, they're going to be Democrats. As you know, we, this country, no country

can afford to pay for illegal immigration, health care for everybody that comes into the country, and that's what they're insisting. And obviously I have an obligation to not accept that. That would affect everybody. You know, when I see what we're doing with AI and all the plants that are opening up in the country, $17 trillion is coming. And if you compare that to Biden, Biden had in four years less than a trillion. We have 17 trillion more than that. I think it's going to be much more than that, David. By the end of this year, I think it's going to be very, far over that. It's a record. It's already a record in eight months. It's a record by a lot. And so we're doing well as a country, so the last thing we want to do is shut it down.

But a lot of good can come down from shutdowns. We can get rid of a lot of things that we didn't want, and they'd be Democrat things, but they want open borders. They want men playing in women's sports. They want transgender for everybody. They never stop. They don't learn. We won an election in a landslide. They just don't learn. So we have no choice. I have to do that for the to the country. So what I'm hearing him say here over and over again is, yeah, we're just going to shut these things down. We don't want them.

And it's a permanent thing. You're going to have to go through reauthorization to get these non-essential programs back. And, you know, if they're not mandated, he's saying, Rush is planning to just cut them all. If it's not mandatory spending, cut it. I think that is absolutely fantastic. I mean, I don't know why we haven't done that before. Now, it's going to go into the court system, et cetera, et cetera. It's going to be fight, but that's one I'm willing to die on.

That's a hill I want to take. Yeah, and of course, you're right. Every single one of those jobs will have a lawsuit attached to it, and they will get some of them reversed. There's no question about it. Right. That's why you should fire twice the amount of people. You're right.

If they're going to reverse half of them, just fire twice as many. Yeah. Yeah, and I think, you know, partially one of the reasons why the question from the reporter was, hey, you know, hey, if you're doing this with Doge already, how come? Well, part of it is a lot of the Doge stuff got blocked, right? A lot of the Doge stuff got blocked by courts and it's been a real problem. So this is a way they think they have a little bit more legal clearance on it. Glenn, can I give you one trip down memory lane here, though? This is a fun one. Fun trip down memory lane. Let's go back to 2009, if we could. Barack Obama, he's doing the State of the Union address. And in the middle of this great man's address, as he's talking about the wonders of Obamacare, an evil Republican legislator screams out, you lie from the audience. It's a massive controversy. You don't do that.

You don't call the president of the United States a lot. Decorum, sir. Decorum, decorum, decorum. You can call him a Nazi, but you don't call him a liar. Okay. So he says you lie. Why does he say you lie? He says, because Barack Obama is up there on the stage and Barack Obama says, with Obamacare,

we're not going to be giving any health care to illegal immigrants. You lie. You lie. That's the controversy. Everyone says, of course, every media report is, of course this isn't in Obamacare. How would he even claim such a thing? And then the next president, the next Democratic presidential candidate, Hillary Clinton, puts it middle of her website for running for office.

That's 2016. It's part of her platform that illegal immigrants will get care under Obamacare. Part of her platform, they go from July to part of the platform in just one presidential election. And then we should note now that it's so shocking that illegal immigrants wouldn't get health care out of Obamacare. We need to shut the government down over it. That is how your country works in three easy steps. That is, that is by definition, progressivism. You move in the direction, but you say, no, it'll never be that.

Then the next president, the next opportunity, you move a little further and you go like, well, and then the next president, the next opportunity, you're like, of course that's what it is. I mean, it's just right there. And then you say, how dare you hurt these poor people by taking away that plan we said didn't exist? Right. Oh, it's so frustrating. And nobody knows because people are just so stupid. They don't remember you lie.

they have been ratcheted up into their hatred for the other side. And they always lie, they always lie, they always lie, they always lie, they always lie. You know, like when he stood up and called President Obama a liar. Yeah, well, no, they weren't lying. They were telling the truth because they understand how progressivism works. But you refuse to see, you know, this is my favorite question to ask people is, how did you get there? How did you get there?

What do you mean? How did you get to where illegal aliens should? Because you were against that 10 years ago. In fact, you said, that's a lie. That'll never happen. Okay, so take me to, that's a lie that will never happen, which you were passionate about, because you understood we couldn't afford that. Tell me the logic that had been introduced to you over the last 10 years that made you move

from, that's a lie, that will never happen, how un-American of you to even say. say we would think that way to how dare you even try to say we shouldn't be paying for that health care. Help me with the logic because I want to understand. My guess is you've just been riding a wave of feelings and propaganda. So please tell me how did you get from that place 10 years ago to this place today? Because there is no new information. There's none. In fact, the new information shows it's even more insane to do it today than it was 10 years ago. 60% of the vans on Amazon come to vendor-independent, like Sac Magic.

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