The Glenn Beck Program - Best of the Program | Guest: Jonathan Cahn | 4/6/23

Episode Date: April 6, 2023

Glenn gives the latest update on the economy, which shows that things continue to worsen and an economic crash is imminent. Foreign players are making moves to alienate America. Jessica Bates joins with her attorney Johannes Widmalm-Delphonse. Jessica was denied adoption when she refused to support gender-affirming care. “The Return of the Gods” author Jonathan Cahn joins to discuss what happens when a whole country rejects God. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Welcome to the Glenn Beck program. How are you? when I am just wrapped up with good news today, the job numbers have come out. Wow. Seems like maybe this isn't all just transitory. Who would have seen that coming? Thank God you did.

Also, we're going to talk to you a little bit about, you know, something that I just love. Dylan Mulaney Is that his name? What's his name? Mulvaney. Mulvaney, yes. Mulvaney.

Even better. Dylan Milvaney, you know, he's a Bud Light. I'm sorry. Did I just misgender him? Oh, no, I didn't. Because he's a guy. He's a guy.

We're going to talk about his endorsement not only for Bud Light, but also now for Nike sports bras. Now, if you want to have a guy advertise sports bras, you get me to do it. Okay? Someone with some de cups. I start running, man.

These things are jiggling. They hurt. I mean, I need a sports bra. Okay. So we've got an exciting time happening for us. Now, the government numbers are a little different. than the ADP numbers, but the ADP jobless numbers have already come out. We're waiting for the government's numbers.

But from ADP, it shows private sector hiring has decelerated, and it's another sign that the U.S. is headed for a sharp slowdown. Or dare I say it, recession. Dare I say it, Stu, dare I say it, Stu, dare I? How could you? There's no risk of that. There's no risk. This is transitory.

Right, exactly right. So the company payrolls rose by just 145,000 for the month, down from an upwardly revised 261 in February and below the Dow Jones estimate of 210. Now, here's what they do. ADP, I don't know what the Dow Jones does. I don't know what the government does. but I believe ADP has a very complex system because they're a they're a payroll company. And what they do is my understanding, it could be wrong, is they look at how many paychecks they cut last month, and then they give us the number that they cut this month.

and they either add or subtract to that to give us the data. Now, if they add some sort of fancy algorithm, I would say that's why you can't trust it. But I think that's a pretty good one. You know, you're looking at all the companies and you're like, hmm, how many checks did we cut last month? How many checks did we cut this month? Okay, add or subtract.

seems pretty easy. Seems pretty easy. But the government has, you know, a New York Times bestseller list kind of algorithm going for it. So we'll see. But it's not supposed to be a good day. And the jobs, the actual jobs number is tomorrow, right? Is it tomorrow? I thought it was this one.

So I know there's something that came out today, which is one of those more like another different type. The main jobs report, I believe it. It always comes out on Friday and it comes out tomorrow. Even on, I guess, Good Friday. All right. Yeah. There's something that comes out today. and jobs.

Yeah, there was something else that came out separately today. But the big number two, I like this quote, by the way. This is from Chief Economist at ZipRecruiter, actually. I think the image for me that most sums up where we are, the labor market, is a chart by Bloomberg's chief economist, which shows that mentions of job cuts are now higher than mentions of labor shortages and earnings calls. That's a big reversal after 2021 and 2022,

where very much the years of the labor shortage and everyone was talking about how they were struggling to find workers were at a, tipping point now. Yeah. So we had all these people living off, you know, living off the teat of the government and they wouldn't work. Now the people who will work, losing their job. So this is good.

This is good news. By the way, chat GPT. They did an analysis of the job market. They did this at the behest of a Goldman trader. and he put in all of the things. I said, what do you think? And basically he got back, we're all on borrowed time. So I think that's good.

I mean, you know, nothing to worry about, hey, listen, let me tell you, I don't know if you heard this. This is good news. But gold has approached an all-time high. It has passed the $2,000 level. The all-time high is 2007. 75. Price of gold yesterday was 2020. Oh, it was a fine year as well. And it looks as, it looks as as though gold is going to hit, this according to Citigroup, $2,300 in the near term.

we get up to $3,000, $4,000 an ounce, $3,000 really. You're in a different world. Okay. The reason why Citigroup is saying that it may reach $2,300 in the near term, gold has found itself on solid ground as the U.S. dollar's strength tapered. Okay. Are any of your friends paying attention to this? because this is the most I read a diary of a guy from World War II and he was in Germany during the Weimar Republic and he said nobody had any idea what hyperinflation even meant.

He said we were just going along and we had inflation and, you know, things weren't great, but it wasn't hyperinflation. He said, seven days later, that was the. the only conversation you would have with anyone in Germany. When this happens, it happens fast. It's not like we're doing the slow approach to it now. This is the time for you to explain this to your friends and to your neighbors. That massive change is coming. And the reason why you explain it is the opposite of what Neil Cavuto told me one time.

Neil Cavuto, I said in 2008 that I thought we were headed for a crash and the banking system didn't make any sense. These home loans were out of control. And when we got off the air, he didn't even look at me. I said, hey, thanks, Neil. Mm-hmm. And I said, and Neil and I were friends. And I said, is there a problem? Did I get something wrong?

And he said, no. No, you didn't. And I said, okay, is there a problem? And he said, you're the most irresponsible man I've ever met. And I, I mean, it crushed me. And I said, oh my God, what did I get wrong? He said, you didn't get wrong. We know this is coming.

We don't tell the American people because they will freak out. And I said, respectfully, Neil, I disagree with you. We have to tell the American people. people, or they will freak out. You need to brace people for this. It is the government's belief, and it is many journalists belief that if they tell you these things, then it'll make you go do it. It'll just make it a done deal. I got news for you. Math is math. So it's coming. So don't freak out. prepare, prepare and prepare your family and your friends. That way, we have a better chance of not eating each other for dinner.

And that could happen. I eat a lot. That grocery store is closed for 10 minutes. I'm knocking on your door. I'm just saying. Now, I told you yesterday that China and Malaysia were discussing the Asian monetary fund. You also had Brazil involved in this. Listen to this story today.

Tell me that we are a superpower anymore. Tell me that our friends are not going to abandon us and our dollar. So in this, the Mexican president, Orbador, has written to officials in China requesting Beijing's help in stemming the flow of fentanyl into Mexico. Now, I for one would just like to say at this point, I hope Beijing funds a wall on our southern border. If Mexico's northern border could just be protected by a wall, wow, I'd be very disappointed. He said at a news conference that he had written the Chinese after U.S. officials encouraged

him, U.S. officials encouraged him to reach out to Beijing in a recent visit. Why would we do that? Why would we encourage the Mexicans to reach out for help from the Chinese our enemy? The Mexican president also struck out at the U.S. He complained about the U.S. in his letter and the rude threats coming from the U.S. officials to classify Mexican drug cartels as terrorist groups. I don't think that's rude. I think that's like fact. All right.

We got to get over these. Well, that's hate speech. Not if it's true. No. Then it's just a fact. He said, we've come to you in his letter to President Z. We've come to you, President Z,

not to ask for your support in the face of these rude things. threats, but to request that for humanitarian reasons, you help us control shipments of fentanyl that can be sent from China to our country. Unjustly, the United States is blaming us for problems that in large measure have to do with their loss of values. That's not hate speech. On his part, that's true.

These positions are in themselves a lack of respect and a threat to our sovereignty, and moreover they are based on an absurd, manipulative, propagandistic, and demagogic attitude. That's our friend Mexico writing a letter to President Z in China. Top Saudis now said that they are, meeting with the Iranians in Beijing for a new peace conference. Okay, listen to this. This is coming from an Iranian official who's standing right with a Saudi official. Quote, the era of the United States involvement in this region, the Middle East, is over. The regional countries are capable of preserving security and stability in the Middle

East without any interference from Washington. The next steps will be discussed in Beijing. Huh. Do you remember when the experts all said that a Biden administration would restore us in good standing with the rest of the world? A Biden administration would put us back where we would. we belong. And non-experts like me said, no, no, they won't. No one respects us with this kind of leadership. Little did I know we would not only not be respected, but we would be shunned

because of what's happening in our country. This is the best of the Glenn Beck program. Let's stand up. Let's, I mean, not now. If you're driving, especially, or if you're in the office, or in a meeting and you got the earbuds in and they think you're listening, don't stand up. But I mean, let's prepare to stand up. What are we standing up for? I'm tired of being against things. I'm not against transgenderism. I'm for the sanctity of gender. I am for the sanctity of a mother and father's relationship with their child and their protected space around that child. That's what I'm for.

I'm for my traditional Christian beliefs. And I know a lot of people are like, he's not traditional. You know, I believe all the same things you do. I just happen to believe some other things as well. Our virtues and our values are exactly the same. That's what I'm for. Now, I want to tell you a story about a mom up in Oregon. I know, I know.

Why would you be a mom in Oregon? Some people are trapped. Jessica Bates is her name. And she lost her husband and wanted to a child. a couple of kids. And what the state has put her through is absolutely astonishing. Jessica Bates is with us now, as is her attorney, Johannes Viedmom Del Fongs. Johannes and Jessica, welcome.

Thank you. Thanks. Good to be here. All right. So, Jessica, tell me. me what happened your journey with the state on adoption? Yeah, so I felt like God had put it on my heart to look into adoption and went ahead and got in touch with the Department of Human Services.

And after finishing their resource and adoptive families training, I let them know that some of their things that they teach about, sexual orientation and gender identity, You have to support their views and you have to, would have to take a child for cross-sex hormone injections or possibly post-pride flags or LGBTQ plus things on your lawn. You have to support, and I let them know my faith convictions. I could not do that. And they ended up denying my application to adopt. And did they come out and say that? There was a phone call where they basically said, we're going to put you on hold.

If you change your mind, we can put your application back into circulation. But we're going to put you on hold for now. And then about two months later, they did officially deny me with the letter. Johannes, what is, what's the case here? Well, Oregon is discriminating based on religion. It's really as simple as that. They're saying, they're making a sweeping claim, which is, that people of a certain religious faith are categorically unfit to care for children.

We believe that violates just because First Amendment rights, both are rights to free exercise and freedom of speech. And so that's why we filed this lawsuit. And when did you file it? We filed it, let's see, on Monday. So on the second, I think it was. And what part of Oregon are you in, Jessica? Vale.

I live out in Vale, Oregon, which is a pretty small little rural, rural area outside of Ontario. All right. Is that part of the Oregon that wants to secede and go to Idaho? I do believe so, yes. I do believe so, yeah. You'd be better off, and so would Idaho, quite honestly. But so you must have support in your community,

and this is just coming from the west coast of Oregon. Yeah, I've had since the story kind of, since that first interview with Fox the other day, I've had a lot of people reach out and just had somebody here at work, say, hey, I want to let you know, supporting you with what you're doing. And a lot of support. And I would imagine you're going to take this all the way of Supreme Court, if necessary. The Alliance Defending Freedom, Johannes, tell me about your support and your funding. It all comes, you're doing this for free for Jessica, right?

Absolutely. We're a nonprofit. We're supported by people who, you know, just want to support the work that we're doing, which is fighting for our God-given rights to live and to speak the truth. Okay. So when Jessica reached out, you know, we said that we wanted to stand by her. Do we have, Yonis, do we have any other examples of this happening in America where the case has been tried? Well, so on two fronts, unfortunately, we have heard from other people who are going through a similar thing, being discriminated. against because of their beliefs. But there hasn't been a lot of litigation over this. There is one case that went up to the Third Circuit Court of Appeals that's sort of in the area of New Jersey. But other than, and then there was a case actually in Washington where Washington state settled. And, you know, they basically relented and agreed that it violated the First Amendment rights

to discriminate in this way. It's going to be amazing to watch because you know if they change like Washington. Okay, we have to do that. I would imagine the culture in the government is not supportive of that. I wonder how much of this is actually done just without people knowing about it. Well, right. I mean, just since we filed the lawsuit, we've heard from people. And, you know, unfortunately, I mean, hopefully what we're asking the court to do, right, is not just to protect Jessica, but to protect all people of faith,

whether they're Christian, devout Jews, Muslims, you know, this goes beyond Jessica. And then obviously when the state puts ideology above people the way that it's doing, it ultimately hurts the children in need, which is, again, why we found this lawsuit. It's amazing to me, Jessica, that the left always says, well, nobody's going to want to adopt these children. Why don't you adopt some children? Well, I have adopted children. You are adopting or wanting to adopt children. and then they say to Christians, no, you can't adopt, which puts the mothers then in the

in between, and what do they do? They choose a portion. I mean, it's amazing how indecent all of this game is. Yeah, yeah, for sure. It's definitely unjust, not a level playing field. And I think last year there were about 8,000 children that touched the Oregon foster care system. And these kids need homes. They're so much better when they're set in loving families. And that's what I'm wanting to do and to open up the gate so that more families can help instead of less. It's amazing to me also. We know the foster care system is broken. I know kids who have been in foster homes and they're lucky to find a good home. So many are bad, and here's the state trying to take, you know, good, decent people out of the mix.

You take Christians out of the mix for foster care. Good luck with that. Good luck. Yeah. Yeah. It's definitely discriminatory. And, Glenn, I would just add, you know, I mean, Christians have been doing this long before. There were departments of health and human services, you know, providing these types of services.

and, you know, according to some surveys, practicing U.S. Christians are twice as likely to adopt as the general public. So for sure, you know, and I think that it's really pernicious because it really puts pressure on a lot of families to violate their conscience. You know, they may feel that, well, if I don't go through with this, who's going to take care of these children? So the state is, this is really about pushing ideology onto people trying to pressure them to compromise. compromise. But all they want to do is, again, they're not asking, they're not saying they're entitled to a child. They just want to care along, you know, serve alongside others on an equal fair shot. Yeah, exactly. On an equal playing field. Thank you so much. I appreciate it, Johannes. And Jessica, thank you. We'll be following your story. I urge you to get involved.

You can help fund cases like this. ADF legal.org. That's ADF legal.org. That's ADF legal. dot org. You know, I've talked to several of these legal foundations and they don't have a shortage of people willing to help and attorneys to volunteer their time. They're actually finding now a shortage of people willing to stand up. And that's not who we are, America. It's not who we are. You know, they always say, going gets tough, the tough get going. Well, the going has gotten tough now. And we cannot let fear stop us from doing the right thing. The only thing we have to fear is fear itself. What are we going to do? Are you really that afraid? In the grand scheme of things, when judgment comes, and it's going to come to all of us, when judgment comes,

even if you don't believe in that, you just close your eyes at the end of your life and your life is flashing in front of your eyes. Do you want to see yourself standing up, protecting children from horror shows or sitting down when you should have stood up? Give yourself a break at the end of your life. Give your life meaning. We're all born in this time for a reason. Well, there are a lot of reasons to be alive today. And standing, I can't think of a better, you know, everybody's like, we've got to go to war against war.

Really, do we? We've got to have reparations for slavery. Really? Because there's 40 million slaves right now today in the world. That's more than the four. 400 years of slavery combined. Why are we talking about past slavery? Why don't we be abolitionists today?

So future generations don't go, what the hell were those people thinking? Let's break the cycle. Stand up. Find the reason you were born. Maybe. Maybe it's to help people like Jessica. I don't know.

If you've been a long-term listener of the program back around 2010, I think I started talking about the evil of Moloch and Baal and how I felt we were repeating all of the rituals. We just didn't know it. Well, a guy who's actually put meat on that bone, a great deal of meat, and I've learned a ton. Just reading the book, Return of the Gods, is Jonathan Kahn, and he joins me now. Hi, Jonathan. How are you, sir? Hey, Glenn, great to be back. I'm good. Yeah, good to have you. So lay this out for us first, kind of just show the state that we're in and entering if we don't wake up. When you shared, and you've been speaking about this, that even people are.

Right. There's something. And so the return of the gods is opening up this mystery, and the question is it's not just happening a brand, And what if the gods that we, you know, we hear about mythologically, they're not just tales, but there's something behind them. And what if they came back? And what if we opened it? And in the book of Deuteronomy, it says that when they're worshipping, when they're worshipping these gods, the word that it's used is the word, and doesn't just mean, you know,

mythology. The word was trans-word demon from it. And so what it's saying is behind these gods of the ancient world, when you look at pagan, culture, you're looking at the signs of spirit, but then what goes into the, that's why Christians were thrown to the lions in the gods. In the end, it prevails, and the gods are, in a sense, it's the twilight of the gods, the temples of Zeus are abandoned, the shrines of Dionysus are gone, but the thing is, if behind the gods are spirit, and to that, the final kind of peace is when a spirit departs from a man, it goes looking for a place to dwell, doesn't find it, says, I'm going to go back to the man,

finds the house or the evil that himself, they repossess the man. And Jesus said, the last state is worse than the first. But what people miss when they hear this, is that at the end, he says, so it will be with this generation. He's not talking about just a guy. So the warning is, an entire

civilizations can get possessed, can be delivered, and can get repossessed. And the warning to America, or the warning to the modern world, is that any civilization, any nation, any culture, that has been delivered of these things, like Western civilization has been, and it turns away from God, empties itself of God, the house is not going to stay empty.

Something else is going to come in, and the spirits that were cast out of the house are coming back, or in other words, the gods will return. And we want to understand what's been happening to America for the last half century or so, and the West is that it is this. We are witnessing a repossession. We're witnessing a paganization. you know, the spirit, Judeo-Christian nation, into a pagan one. And you alluded to something, which is very profound, is that look what happened when Germany turned away.

You know, it wasn't, it wasn't neutral, it wasn't secular. No. It was demonic. Same with Russia. So that's what's happening right now, and we're witnessing it. So it's truly amazing. You make such a good point, and you go through all the facts, and we have you for an hour. So we're going to have you go through some of these things. but what's really important to remember, the first commandment in the Torah, you know, Christians will say,

you know, I am, you know, the Lord thy God and you'll have no other gods before me. But in the Torah, it says, I'm the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of slavery. And our founders believed we were completing that journey. And we made covenants. So it's, so we cleaned out that house. We were delivered from slavery. And now if you look at our society and you think, how could we have in eight years gone from abortion should be rare, legal, and safe to shout your abortion? How can we go from a society that says, hey, love is love and you should be able to marry whoever you want to drag queen shows with our preschoolers?

How does this happen? The answer is, evil is real, and it is taken possession of this country. I more than alluding to it, it's Israel. You know, Israel was in covenant with God. And when they turned away from God, it didn't go well, and it was not neutral. They ended up doing exactly what, well, in other words, we're doing exactly what they're doing. We're replaying that. You know, you mentioned the founders of America, John Winthrop, you know, he dedicated. He tweeted America to God, this puritan a hill. He says, if we follow God, then the blessings that came on Israel will come up on America. Well, it did. You know, we become the people forget what else he said.

He said, if we turn away from God, if we turn to, and he literally says to us, the gods of our desires, then the curses that came on it, that is what we're dealing with exactly what happened to ancient Israel. In fact, palates that came out have now come to America. So we are replaying this ancient mystery. And, you know, to much of the, when you don't. When you don't deal with God, you just look at it just doesn't make any sense. But when you kind of take away the veil. So I was on this track for a while, and I'm so glad you wrote this book because you taught me so much.

And I think it's a book that everyone in this audience should read. It's called Return of the Gods by Jonathan Con. But I stumbled onto this about 2008. I was watching the Occupy Wall Street people. and they started using excrement to smear on things. And it became so barbaric at times, so ancient. And I called a friend of mine, who I think you know, Rabbi Daniel Lapin, and I said, what's happening here? And he said, Glenn, this is ancient rituals.

This is the kind of things that happened in the ancient world, happened at the fall of France. when they, you know, smeared excrement over everything. And the more I look at, especially with our children, sacrificing our children, that was important. You talk about three gods. Let's talk about the first one, which is Ba'al, I believe, is the first one for you. Yes. And, you know, when you look at the fall of Israel, when they turned away from God, there are three main principalities, or three main gods that really embody the whole fall.

And the first one who's always mentioned, and you've mentioned him many times. The first, always mentioned first, and the thing is that the name means literally, you know, a possessor, the owner, the master, and the Lord. And so the thing is, he's the first, again, almost like that's about that first spirit that comes back to the house.

So this is what Bail did to ancient Israel, is the door was opened. He began to the spirit, began to drive God out of every part. Exactly what's been happening to America. And, you know, when you look at the early 60s, we open the door. You know, we take the word out of the getting a thing. Well, it's a little thing, not a big deal.

From the children, which is the future, it's going to set the course. And, you know, the, is that the house, you empty the house, the house is not going to stay empty. So, you know, we took God out of the school. We took God from the children. Look at what has now come into the schools. Look at what has now come into the children because it's not going to stay empty. And so what bail does, we were watching this progressive drive. God out of the house of American civilization and the West. And that is a dangerous thing for any

nation, any Christian nation to do that or Judeo-Christian nation, this is going to, something else is coming in. So you have the progressive driving out of God out of the culture, out of the public square, then also it says that bail caused Israel to forget God. It was like an amnesia comes over the culture. Well, that's exactly what's happened to America. You know, when you look back, America, we're actually the public school teachers are leading. the children in the Lord's prayer. We can hardly imagine that now, because it has been so successful. We've not only forgotten God. We've forgotten that we ever knew God. That's what happened to Israel. And then it also says he caused them to overturn or abandon the ways of God. Well, we've been

watching that progressively happen. It literally calls us to literally strike down the Ten Commandments. And it's not only in these, I would say, overt ways, but also in various ways we don't even realize. For instance, you know, with monotheism, you have one God, you got one truth. You know, with paganism, you have many gods and many truths. So all of a sudden there's this thing in our culture that it's your own authentic truth. You know, if a man says, I'm not a man, I'm a tree. Well, then that's his authentic truth. You know, that's not enlightenment.

That's paganism. You know, and another thing we wouldn't think about it. But the Bible says that when they turned away from God, when they turned to bail, they started serving the works of their hands. serve their idols. You know, they become enslaved to their idols. Well, interesting because when Paul, the apostle Paul, speaks about the pagan world of the idols, he uses the Greek word technet. We get the word technology from it. So here we are now. We have become slaves to our own technology. We literally, you know, people are in slave to their phones, to the computer, and it

says that they become like the one that they're idols. They become like, so we have a generation becoming less and less human. You know, we have, that one is just, just a addicted to this and while our machines become more human, start taking more power. We literally have artificial intelligence that can now master us. So in every single way, this is a process of paganization. And when it comes to becoming more like our master, we're now talking about transhumanism. We're now talking about merging man with machine, and that's five years away. Yep.

Also part of it, Glenn. You know, we have transhumanism. We have the merging of man, a machine. We have the merging of man and animal. And when you look at the, you know, when you look at the ancient paganism, you see, that's exactly what they did. Number one is they put, you know, they had images of man and animal. Many of these gods are merging it. Well, we're doing the same thing now, not with clay, but with the genetic code.

You know, and also, you know, the person was basically linked to his, there's confusion in paganism between, you know, image and reality. And, you know, and also even we have virtual reality. We're confusing. We can't even, we don't even have a clear concept of reality anymore. This is all paganism. It's all the revival.