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Episode Date: June 20, 2025

The guys react to recent statements made by Michelle Obama regarding her last name. Is this more proof that Michelle and Barack are headed for divorce? Stu calls in "on location" to discuss the lates...t SCOTUS decision. Blaze News investigative reporter Joseph Hanneman joins to discuss what we know about the Minnesota suspect who allegedly targeted Minnesota lawmakers and their spouses.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 What are the chances that Barack Obama is having an affair with Jennifer Addiston? Well, we bring some new information to the table and it's kind of fun. It's kind of fun. I mean, unless you're big Mike. One of the biggest Supreme Court rulings of all time dropped today, bigger than the Dobbs decision and Stu hustled over to give us the latest on location. You won't want to miss. This decision is big, big, big, big.
Starting point is 00:00:25 Also, we talked to Joseph Hanneman. He is, Joe is the guy who. who has been following the killer in Minneapolis. There are too many questions on this. Nothing makes sense yet. We'll give you the update on that killing on today's podcast. Let me tell you about our sponsor. It's the burner launcher.
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Starting point is 00:03:28 I asked two whole minutes ago for somebody to write some country lyrics based on that commercial I was doing where I mentioned pieces of you and uh and i got a bunch of lyrics uh but it took two whole minutes uh and and they're not sung none of this is sung i mean you can't put it through the you know gpt and uh i don't know set it to music you're just going to send me the lyrics all right whatever well let me just give you the lyrics then your old guitar is still leaning in the hall strung with pieces of
Starting point is 00:04:07 you, I can't forget it all. The worn-out pick you left on the bedside stand holds pieces of you like the callus on my hand. This old porch swings with the weight of your ghost, every creaking memory I'm missing the most. I'm holding on to pieces of you breaking up in my heart, shattered like the rear view on your Chevy in the yard. It doesn't really work. Every faded cord, every dream you used to chase carries pictures of you, I can't bear to erase. Yeah, I'm living with pieces of you.
Starting point is 00:04:46 We are going to be fat imbeciles soon. I mean, we already are. We're going to be fatter and more imbecilic soon. Everything is, I mean, it's
Starting point is 00:05:01 crazy what AI can do now. Did you hear the study that they did on essays of like students writing essays. Um, they had three groups of students and they had them write essays with like brain activity monitors on them. And, uh, one group had to write it just like, you know, old, old school. One group could use Google and then one group could use chat GPT for assistance. And every, every, yeah, almost no brain activity at all. And they, and they, the chat GPT group by like the third series of essays. They just had totally turned over their entire thinking process to chat GPT.
Starting point is 00:05:45 And I mean, I, we, the idiocacy thing, they didn't use chat GPT or anything similar to build that future, but it's a central part of that story, I think, that we missed in the prequel of that movie. So amazing. So amazing. But don't worry. It's just right around the. corner. Did you see what Amazon said? Amazon's like, yeah, we're going to be replacing all
Starting point is 00:06:13 the people here soon. It's like, wait, what? Not a huge surprise. We need you to move closer to to your team so you can all be together so we can then liquidate you when the machines arrive. I think it's the same message they sent to Iranian leaders in Israel. We need you guys to all move closer together. Did you see by the... It's a trap. They said there's another new study out on AI that said that
Starting point is 00:06:45 Republicans are using it more. I don't know what that says about us. That it was just saying there's no brain activity. So I'm not trying to insult conservatives. But I thought that was interesting in that I feel like usually conservatives are slower to adopt like brand new technologies like that. And it seems like we are using GPT war.
Starting point is 00:07:05 We're, we're, we're, more entrepreneurial. Yeah. And if you use it as a tool, it is remarkable what it can do. Yeah. I mean, I'm not actually here. This is just a large language,
Starting point is 00:07:17 you know, program. In your case, very large. It's an O-L-M. It's an overweight language model. Oh, man. All right, let me change the subject. Let me go to former first lady, Michelle Obama.
Starting point is 00:07:32 Now, I just want you to put yourself in Barack shoes for a minute. You know, they're the ones right underneath Jennifer Anderson's bed. Just try those on for a minute. And how would you feel if your wife said these
Starting point is 00:07:47 words? Thank you so much. He said in an interview. Thank you so much, Mrs. Obama. And she said, oh, Mrs. Obama, that's too many syllables. Now, my logical question there would be,
Starting point is 00:08:05 do you Do you have a rule that you generally go with on the number of syllables in people's names? What is the, what's the, too many syllables in Mrs. Obama? Oh, okay. She said, you know, I was trying to, I'm just, I'm just Michelle. I'm not Mrs. Obama. You know, and I was trying to do that when, when I was first lady, because I just think I'm not in that position. I'm just Michelle.
Starting point is 00:08:36 Well, technically, in the eyes of God and the state of Illinois, I think you are in that position. Isn't that what happens when you get married? I mean, you might want to call yourself, I don't know, whatever your first or your last name was before you got married. Maybe you could say that, but like, she's saying I'm not in that position. I'm not, I don't like to remember that I'm married. I mean, wouldn't that be a problem if you were married to Michelle Obion? You know, or your wife came to you, Stu. And, you know, people were like,
Starting point is 00:09:13 Mrs. Stu is here now. And she said, oh, I do not want to be called Mrs. Stu because I am not in that position. Yeah. Wouldn't you be a little, like, concern? Would you pull her aside after her? What exactly did you mean by that? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:09:32 It seemed like a deeper conversation is necessary because it's not even like, oh, that's too formal, right? Like somebody might say that, right? Or like, you hear people say, Mr. Beck and he's like, oh, well, that's actually my father. I'm Glenn. You know, that kind of typical thing. That's not what she's going for when she says, I'm not in that position. Like, yeah, it was not like, not the first lady.
Starting point is 00:09:52 Right, wasn't first lady Obama. Right. It was, no, it was Mrs. Obama. Okay. Then in the same interview, she goes on and she says, uh, the, the interviewer, It was like, you know, you guys should have thrown a boy in there in your family. You know, we should wish you had a boy. And she said, oh, I am glad we didn't have a son because he would have turned out exactly like Barack.
Starting point is 00:10:23 Wait. What? I don't think these are rumors anymore about their marriage. I mean, that would have been. then the interviewer said baby Barack I would have been amazing and she said no I would have felt for him I mean I I have four I have four children three of them are our girls and I love the fact that they're so like so much like their mom I mean I love that now I have we didn't want to have a son because he would have been just like Glenn
Starting point is 00:11:08 Wait, honey. I mean, I kind of agree with you, but I'd like a little more information on what you mean by that. Yeah, because I could see saying something like that in a self-deprecating way. Maybe you could say, like, look, I'm concerned of all the media attention or that he be held to some standard to follow a former president. Like, I don't know. Maybe did she explain it at all? Or did she just kind of leave it at that? She just, I just wanted to be like him.
Starting point is 00:11:39 I don't want to be like him. And don't you ever say I'm in the position of being married to that bastard. Oh, she's Big Mike for a reason. Do you believe the Jennifer Aniston thing? Is that any part of you that buys that? I buy that a little, I mean, just a little more than the Big Mike thing. But there are days that I go back and forth. I'm like, oh, I don't know.
Starting point is 00:12:06 I think she's more big Mike than the odds. The odds are more in favor than she's big Mike. That's a difficult standard. We're measuring there. And maybe, you know, you could literally measure it. I don't know. Right. I will say the, I'm saying like, do you actually believe that Barack Obama is having an affair with Jennifer Aniston?
Starting point is 00:12:35 Is there like, Yeah, I think there's a good chance of that. What's, when you say good chance, are you saying 10%? You're saying 16? No, I don't know. I mean, I'm not Las Vegas. I don't know what the odds are, but I think over 50%. I think that's reasonable.
Starting point is 00:12:49 Over 50%. Is it just a... The only thing that would stop that from being true, I think, is if she were attracted to him. Is she attracted to him? Is she ever said anything about him? So you think he's in and he's in? She's hot.
Starting point is 00:13:04 And if you've been not, married to Big Mike your whole time is like, hey, get off me. You know, you, I mean, I would go for Phoebe, you know, at that point. I mean, is Madlop Blanc available? Wait, so I am, as you know, I do like numbers and stats and odds. So give me your, the chances, percentage chance, that there are real relationships. relationship problems. 90%.
Starting point is 00:13:38 Okay, you're convinced of that basically. Yes. Okay. Yeah. I would say 100%, but I do, you know, I'm not there. I could just, but I can read the tea leaves. Okay. A little bit.
Starting point is 00:13:52 All right. Okay. Chances that he is involved with someone else. Not someone from the friend's cast. Not necessarily Matt LeBlanc. All right. me anybody. Anybody.
Starting point is 00:14:06 Any other human being is he involved? I'd say 95%. Wait, didn't he say, wait. So, wait, didn't you say 90% for the relationship problem? So you think there's a 5% chance he's got a good relationship but also cheating? Get off me. Comes to mind a lot. Well, I guess it could be an open relationship too, right?
Starting point is 00:14:27 Like maybe they have a wonderful relationship and she's just allowing him. Okay. She is. He's like, get off me. Get on to anything else but me. Okay. And then what do you believe the percentage chances are that it is specifically Jennifer Aniston he is having an affair with?
Starting point is 00:14:47 50%. And you're basing that just on smoke and fire? Like we've heard an odd amount of reporting about it. She's hot. Okay. If he's not gay, then it's at least 50%. Because she's hot. but like why do we believe her
Starting point is 00:15:05 because there's just been like some like tabloid reporting her no we don't believe her I don't believe her I don't just look at him and I look at her and I'm like you know he was this big Mike well but she comes sauntering into the room and like
Starting point is 00:15:22 I don't know I might be into it Barack he's going for it right but that's a different like if I said Scarlett Johansson you could also say he'd also be interested in it. But like, why do you believe it's her? Why don't you give me the odds of, don't give me what are the odds of Scarlett, Joanne, about 50%. You think there's a, what are the odds of Barack with anyone? No, I'm not saying anyone, 50%. So you're saying you think there's a 50% chance that Barack Obama is hooking up with every attractive celebrity? Not every, any. And you
Starting point is 00:15:56 don't have to say attractive. Okay. I'm glad you left it at celebrity though, because that goes either. way. You know what I mean? 50%. Okay. You've laid it out. That's reasonable. I'm not sure I understand exactly, you know, because I feel like there is this like bizarre under brush fire with giving us a little smoke in the, in the forest that just,
Starting point is 00:16:26 it's always her. And like, I don't know that there's any evidence of this, but like when you see. see a bunch of stories and people keep writing about the same thing over and over and over and over again and like tabloids and rumors, you start to wonder, is there actually something here? Do we just wake up one day and they just announce a divorce and he's just hanging out on red carpets with Jennifer Aniston? I would just like to say, this is more time than I have spent thinking about those two for my entire life. Okay. And it's it's more time. We've now spent more time than I care to think about them.
Starting point is 00:17:03 Can we go back to the tape and see who brought up this story twice? Is there a way to, is that, do we have recordings of this program? Well, it was rudely interrupted. Who introduced this story to the program twice today? Two different times. I didn't bring it up. I didn't say I wasn't the one bringing it up, but I, I just want you to know. It's like, why do you believe?
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Starting point is 00:18:40 this is the best of the glenbeck program and don't forget rate us on iTunes joe welcome to the program how are you thanks for having me glen you bet it's it's great to have you i mean you used to work for the epic times and you guys just i think you tear it up over there i think really some good reporting over there there. And you also co-wrote and appeared in three January 6 related documentaries. And you told the real story there. And you also wrote for the Wisconsin State Journal and the Chicago Tribune. So it's nice to have you on board at the blaze. Let me ask you, Joe, what do you find creepy or suspicious about this guy, this guy that nobody's paying attention to that just, you know, tried to kill a bunch of people and did kill some in, you know, along with the, the, the, the, No King's movement. A very unusual backstory.
Starting point is 00:19:44 The food industry, companies like Del Monte and Gerber in production, you know, safety, supervising, you know, the plants and keeping everything clean and safe. And he's probably moved around the country at least a dozen times in the past 20 years with his jobs. But he also has a background as a preacher, which we're just finding out a little bit more about that. I have a story out this morning about that, that he has traveled around the world, at least in Africa. And he's been to Africa. He's talked about going to the Middle East and Gaza and to radical Islamists. And to tell them, as he put it on one of his websites, now, that's an interesting thing for, you're from Jihad Watch. If he actually did that, he's fortunate to be alive.
Starting point is 00:21:10 So, you know, he said if he actually did that, they saw him as a fool, and they just, they just cut him a break and left him alone. So in the Democratic Republic of the Congo, in evangelical, and we think video of him talking about his Christianity. Well, okay, I mean, we have the Del Monte guy going around, then preaching around the world, and preaching the opposite. things he seemed to have, did he become mentally ill? And then before we get to that question, when did he become involved in politics with Tim Walls and everything else? To a governor's work for Pratt, and then Tim Walls, of course we all know Tim Walls. He appointed him to a similar group, and he spent about nine years on these boards. These are advisory councils that typically... Was this when he was a preacher or when he was with, you know,
Starting point is 00:22:58 Lamonte. Some of this stuff. Okay. And he's got other ventures that were going on. And you know, I to find out if there are any indicators that he was opposed to any indication donations, either federally, that he gave donations to any political party or candidate. Oklahoma City claims that he was a registered rip.
Starting point is 00:23:55 When he lived in Muldrow, Oklahoma, but folks out there say they don't keep records back that far anymore. So I, and the article did not. And he had several retains and other security companies equipment that he was wearing the night that he... Creepy mask. Okay, so hang on. I mean, I'm just... So we don't know if this guy had a political agenda one way or another on the...
Starting point is 00:25:11 I mean, he seemed to attack the Democrat that was the one that was bucking the extreme, you know, left of her party. Um, is there, is there any rhyme or reason of, of, of, or pattern on the people that were on his kill list? That he was driving that night. And in, in a room that he rented his job, they found notebooks, handwritten notebooks. And in his car, there was a, what, what the FBI concluded was a hit list. And there were more than 50 names on it. And as far as I can tell, I haven't finished checking every single one of them, but that these were all Democrats, not just Minnesota politicians, but also in Iowa, Illinois, and Wisconsin. Planned Parenthood locations and officials in Minnesota on this list.
Starting point is 00:26:18 This did include former House Speaker who was assassinated along with her husband and the family dog. So, you know, that list was very lopsided. But we know that anyone... But we don't know. Do we know any of... those Democrats have anything in common? Are they hard left? Are they maybe mealy-mouthed, you know, people that are, I don't know. I mean, she seemed to be somebody who was bucking the system that the Democrats would
Starting point is 00:26:56 want. So it's not like this was a hardcore lefty. This seems like somebody who actually had a conscience was trying to do something that they really believed in. So why was she on the list, or can you tell, have you looked at the politician's names to be able to see any pattern on voting patterns or anything? No attention in the corporate, in the past two weeks before vote in the legislature in Minnesota. That would strip the subsidized illegal aliens. And that was a very close vote. And it turns out she was the deciding vote. And the only one to cross party lines to put that legislation over
Starting point is 00:27:45 the top. We didn't endear her come next year no longer have any sort of he didn't, he really didn't you know, there's lots on the other side, you know. But Fran claimed that he was, we don't have any Minnesota's an open primary state so there's no record that we could check on
Starting point is 00:28:58 that information and it's all said and done, his story and the explanation is going to go a lot deeper. You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck podcast. Hear more of this interview and others with the full podcast available wherever you get podcasts welcome to the glenbeck program my digital friend jason is here uh who is uh an actual real life human being and has been watching the middle east and the world
Starting point is 00:29:29 and everything else he's our head writer uh for the tv show and uh head researcher also for for the company and uh we're glad that you're here jason thank you well thank you i still feel like i'm to bring down the mood we have going here. No, we have a little T1 of brass. Is that right, Sarah? Right? Yeah. Oh, there we go.
Starting point is 00:29:49 You can't bring it out a room on a Friday while talking about Iran with this behind you. So go ahead. That's just perfect. Out to three aircraft strike groups are on their way to the Middle East right now. Wait, wait, wait. Three more. It goes, we have two there now, right? Two there.
Starting point is 00:30:04 One's coming, so we'll have a total of three. Usually when we have three or four, something's about to go down. Three is a lot in that area. That's a lot of ordinance. Yeah, yeah, right. But to make it even better on this cheery morning, up to 20 Global Master and C5M Galaxy Strategic Heavy Lift Transports are also on their way over the Middle East. So the galaxy, there's C5s?
Starting point is 00:30:28 C5M, yeah, Galaxy and C-17. Those are those huge, huge planes, right? Gynormous is the actual military term. Dignorous. Okay, well, thank you very much for that. I'm glad we're at the technical terms on that. And if you're wondering what those aircraft usually take, it's personnel,
Starting point is 00:30:44 unitions, anti-air, support vehicles can fit onto these things. Lots of great Fourth of July fun can be on these aircraft. We might lose the finger. Don't hold on to those munitions while you launch them. So this usually, I mean,
Starting point is 00:31:05 I haven't seen that happen outside of preparing. for war of you? No, let's put a caveat on that because we, you reported the news yesterday that the president had chosen a, has chosen a plan. So the military commanders came, said this is, these are different options. You pick one. The president has picked one, according to sources. So this is probably just getting ready if they ever have to say, okay, go. So they're getting everything, all the assets in place if they need them. Well, we've also heard that the president wants at least up to a couple more weeks to figure out, you know, if we're going to do this diplomatic thing or not.
Starting point is 00:31:40 So we're not saying, no, wait, wait, wait, wait. They are meeting with us now. Lecoff did. Yeah. So they're meeting and still having, trying to negotiate. But Donald Trump is doing what he did last time and saying, we'll give you 60 days.
Starting point is 00:31:55 This time he said, 14 days. I'm going to give you two weeks to negotiate, which is shockingly about the right amount of time needed to get all the munitions and the aircraft carriers and anything else that we would need over in that region. Now, this is starting to mess with fuel prices, in particularly diesel. Yep. So global gas prices are already, oil prices are already up 10%. But diesel, and I hadn't even really been looking at that until you even mentioned that earlier this morning.
Starting point is 00:32:23 Diesel is actually up 15% globally, but if you look at specific areas like Europe, diesel is up 30. 30%. So the reason why diesel would be up is because that, is that that fuels our aircraft carriers it fuels our tanks it fuels our trucks it fuels our trains everything that we need to move large amounts of anything around is all in diesel and gas will eventually go up but everybody is starting to stockpile diesel just in case because there wasn't there a crash another one of these mysterious or GPS went out on a on a on a on on the deck of the bridge there. And we got two, I think two large tankers, right? Yes. So right off the coast of Oman, we started seeing this on Tuesday. And it was actually
Starting point is 00:33:19 crazy. And you talked yesterday about overreaction. And everyone was immediately saying, because they were looking at satellite imagery and seeing these two giant fires. They were right there right next to the Straits of Hormuz. And they were thinking that, oh, now maybe Iran pivoted and now just shutting down the straits. Right. Well, what we're seeing now is that, that was a crash between two oil tankers. And this is kind of interesting. Listen to this quote. I'm reading out of the New York Times.
Starting point is 00:33:43 This is a quote from one of the experts in the region in ship tracking, said the latitude and longitudes these ships are receiving are completely false. So they're getting different information. The ships think they're in one area, but they're actually in another. This is clear spoofing. Now, this seems like a happier word to say, sabotage. electronic warfare. It's another extremely happy thing to say. But these are the things that we need to start looking at, especially if you and your family are thinking about supporting maybe strikes over there.
Starting point is 00:34:19 Just to equip with you with all the knowledge, Iran won't just attack or counterattack on military bases, things like that. We have to look asymmetrically. Shutting down the Straits of Hermuz, either electronic warfare or kinetic warfare, is something they would do. And these diesel prices we're seeing now a 30% global increase, is just the start. Can you go back in the files, even if you have it in your head? Did we ever do anything on the ability for Iran to be able to strike at our internal infrastructure here?
Starting point is 00:34:51 So we've looked at certain claims. You're talking about electronic warfare and malware. Being able to shut down our power grids or whatever. So they've already shown capability to do that against Saudi Arabia, shutting down some of their oil capability, they definitely have the capability. I'm not sure how prepared we are for that, but they definitely do have the capability.
Starting point is 00:35:14 But we also have to look at other asymmetrical ways, which they could respond if we get involved in this. And I remember right when this happened, I said, I bet Cash Patel and Dan Bongino will have no sleep until this is over because we don't know how many Iranian assets, Hezbollah, IRGC,
Starting point is 00:35:30 that we actually have in the country. But news came out today that said the Trump administration is boosting monitoring of possible Iran-back cells in the U.S. So they are actively looking for this. They're concerned about this. And we should be concerned about that, too, because if this does kick off, we get involved, these are possibilities that we have to consider. Okay.
Starting point is 00:35:51 Hang on just a second. I want to go. Stu is at the Supreme Court? Oh, wow. Wow, that's weird. Stu, are you there? Hey, God. Did you just run to the Supreme Court?
Starting point is 00:36:05 Yeah. Yeah, wow. As you know, they do not allow phones inside the Supreme Court. So I'm just getting out. I'm sorry to bring it. I know you're talking about whatever you're talking about, but they're releasing the Supreme Court decisions. And, you know, that always happens in this hour of the program.
Starting point is 00:36:28 Yeah. And I wanted to make sure we got this to you as soon as possible. possible. Yeah, so you know, you've done this before when you broke in about, you know, reversing Roe versus Wade and some of these other things. So we want to break in, you have something really important? Yeah, yeah, because usually that's what happened with Roe versus Wade. Usually it's right at the end of the term, as you know,
Starting point is 00:36:48 and we get these as the last decisions in the Supreme Court term. The big ones, they usually save till the end, but not the case today. We have the big one. This is the big one. we all expected to come down from this particular term, McLaughlin, Chiropractic Associates v. McKesson Corp. And, you know, we were talking about this for a very long time. As we all know, Glenn, the Telephone Consumer Protection Act protects businesses
Starting point is 00:37:17 and consumers from intrusive telemarketing by prohibiting unsolicited fax advertisements to telephone facsimile machines. Now, of course, is it absent the opt-out notice informing receipts. recipients that they can choose to not receive future faxes. The act, of course, as we all know, provides a private right of action with a statutory minimum damages of 500 per violation. Wait, wait, wait, wait. Did I slip through a time tunnel?
Starting point is 00:37:44 Are we in 1995? All of a sudden, this is a current Supreme Court decision. This just came down. As we know, McKess Incorporation sent unsolicited fax advertising. through a subsidiary in 2009 and 2010. And this was, of course, two Medi-McGaughlin, chiropractic associates.
Starting point is 00:38:09 An ad issue here, Glenn, was the determination whether does an unsolicited fax advertisement coming in, can you block those just from analog fax machines or does it also apply to digital facsimile services
Starting point is 00:38:29 and we now have a ruling on this, not whether that would be appropriate or not, but what agency would oversee if that was appropriate or not. And we now know, I'm sorry, do you have a specific question you wanted to address here? I do.
Starting point is 00:38:45 I don't think I've seen a fax machine since like 2001. So I didn't realize this was as urgent for the Supreme Court. I didn't know. Has this been, is this a backlog? Is this a backlog
Starting point is 00:39:00 case that was filed in like 1993 and they're just getting to it? When I was running for the Supreme Court, it did appear that I went through a wormhole where fax machines were relevant. And I don't know if that's affecting my reporting here today. Right. But this is an actual Supreme Court ruling
Starting point is 00:39:21 that just came out today in 2025. Wow. It's good that you're reporting it on a landline. That's true. I am. By the way, Glad,
Starting point is 00:39:37 just to let you know, if you're looking to send any unsolicited fax advertisements, you're still okay to do that for the moment. We don't have a ruling from a lower court
Starting point is 00:39:49 that is going to say whether digital fax machines are included in this and whether we need... So wait, so wait, so wait. Supreme Court, wanted to send it back to a lower court. So they deferred making a decision on this one.
Starting point is 00:40:07 To be clear, Glenn, we still don't know if you will be able to send digital taxes to people when they are unsolicited. That we don't know. That's in the future, Glenn. In 2037, we expect to have another ruling that will teach us as to whether we can Send fax machine messages digitally. We just don't know at this time. Somebody is sitting down at their kitchen table tonight with their family and like,
Starting point is 00:40:40 I won that fax machine thing today. That argument that I put in front of the Supreme Court, I won it. I mean, I just took them out. I sent it to a lower court. They couldn't even decide. They were like, I don't know. He had such a good case on fax machines. I had to send it to a lower court.
Starting point is 00:40:58 Do we know where John Roberts came down on this? Yes, Glad. This was a, I believe, a 7-2 decision. Kagan with the dissent. I know, if you want, I can read the entire thing. Let me start. No. I think we're good.
Starting point is 00:41:16 I don't think we needed it here either side on that one. Actually, it was 6-3, Glenn. I'm sorry. Kagan, Sotomayor, and Justice, Taji Brown, Jackson, who probably was born after fax machines were extinct. That's on that side of the ruling. Thank you. Thank you very much, Stu.
Starting point is 00:41:34 I appreciate it. Glad we got that in. Forget about that Iranian thing. We still don't really know digital advertising on fax machines, but we'll keep following this story no matter how long it takes to get to the bottom of it. I am, I can't tell you. I have to apologize and correct a horrible, horrible, horrible. reporting job.
Starting point is 00:41:58 I have to expose Stu for when he was giving us that the facts with a CTS about the facts with an X. He left out the actual facts with a CTS. And I'm sorry, Stu, but this is unacceptable. You apparently
Starting point is 00:42:19 were just, you didn't, you failed to mention how important fax machines are. I mean, and that is actually true. They're very widely used, apparently still in our medical field and the government, but it was an unnecessary detail. You failed to mention that it's actually more secure than email. I did fail to mention. Maybe because nobody else uses of that. But what? I did fail to mention that intentionally. Yes. And why did you do that, Stu? Why did you feel it was necessary to leave out those CTS facts? It felt like it might ruin the bit if I just wanted to.
Starting point is 00:42:55 to the actual facts of the. So comedy was more important to you than the actual ruling and the import of this ruling. Wow. Can I tell you something? I apologize for Stu to this audience and I'm going to show you and I don't ever usually do this, but I'm going to show you how deeply this bothers me when somebody does something like this. Stu, you're suspended for the next two days. You finish out today's show and then get your stuff and you're not back in that building for two days. Okay. I'll see you here Monday. I am positive. Are you sure you don't need three or four days? No, two days.
Starting point is 00:43:30 It's a very hard, fast rule with me. It's a two-day suspension on Fridays. Well, as long as... First of all, I will say, this audience knows more about that actual facts case than anyone else in America that was not involved in it. So right there, we've already advanced, I believe, the reporting in a positive direction. And I am fine with your suspension, assuming you will at least acknowledge I was
Starting point is 00:43:55 calling in from the Supreme Court. As long as you will acknowledge that fact. Oh my gosh. You weren't even doing that, but you were on a landline, which is very hard to find right now. Yes. I am on the last landline connected to the last analog fax machine. That all happened.
Starting point is 00:44:12 I don't want to see you here Saturday or Sunday. I'll tell you that right now. You step on that property and I'm going to have you escorted. Well, I won't be here either. But I'm not suspended. I'm the suspender. the suspendee and you're suspended. By the way, in an hour or so, maybe a couple hours, you get out of that building.
Starting point is 00:44:32 If I could just throw in that it actually is a really positive ruling and that it's no more deferrence to federal agencies. So it actually is a good ruling after all of that. It's a positive development. I feel like I've been lied to. No, it's true. I feel like I'm in a lifetime movie and I'm rocking back and forth in a shower and I can't get clean.
Starting point is 00:44:49 What else? What else are you going to do to violate me? My gosh. See you Monday. Na-na-na-na-na-na-a-na-a

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