The Glenn Beck Program - Best of the Program | Guest: Nick Shirley | 1/14/26

Episode Date: January 14, 2026

Glenn discusses the unrest happening in Iran as well as the Democrats’ hypocrisy in defending the Iranian government while its citizens are rejecting it. Nick Shirley, the independent journalist who mainstreamed the alleged fraud in Minnesota, joins to preview the second part of his investigation into Minnesota, which drops today. Glenn speaks with his longtime sound designer, Nick Daley, about their latest Torch exclusive collaboration, “The American Story.”  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Hey, the podcast today, there's a photo that came out over the weekend in Iran that should be the lead story everywhere and what it means. I mean, I don't look into it deeper, how this could be the end of the notorious 2009-era Fox chalkboard. Is that Green-Red Alliance falling apart? Are we watching that happen? Also, Nick Shirley's breaking big information today. He's the guy who was doing all of those videos that got so much. attention just around the holidays about what's going on in Minnesota. He is releasing now a new video and he's on breaking the news with us on that. Also, AI, how do you deal with AI? Should you involve yourself with AI? And glenbeck.com and the American Story. It's our 250th anniversary

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Together, we'll make a difference. And thanks for standing with us. Now let's get to work. You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck program. It's a photo of somebody putting a flag on top of the statue of Comani over the weekend. And if you look at this photo, you will see that, I mean, that is, that's iconic. Really look at that. If the media were doing their job, that would be on the cover of Time Magazine.

That would be everywhere. That's an iconic photo. And it is somebody standing on top of the statue of the Ayatollah Khomeini, raising up the old, original Iranian flag with the lion in the center. Okay. That would be leading every newscast. It'd be looping on cable news, debated, dissected, argued over all. of this stuff. Instead, all we get is nothing but silence on that. Most likely, you haven't seen that picture before. It was up on X and then it just went away. The reason why this photo is so

important is because the man is standing on the regime itself. This is entirely different. Jason was telling me he put in, without any information, he put in, you know, if you had a regime like this into George A.I. If you had a regime like this, what should you do? Should a country get involved or not? Yada yada. And George, you know, doesn't know anything past, I think 1820. So it talked about the French Revolution. And it's, you know, you got to be careful of people on the ground

because you never know what their real intent is. You don't want to get involved in things. But I think you know what the real intent is with people that are in Iran right now, standing up. They're very, very, very clear. This is not graffiti. It's not vandalism. It's not a protest about gas prices or high prices.

It is a civilizational divorce. And the rest of the world is pretending not to see it because it doesn't fit their narrative. You know, if this were Black Lives Matter, a riot over someplace else, I'm sorry, not a riot, mostly peaceful protest. They were burning London. They were burning any city, anywhere in the world. The press would be breathless. Look at the bravery of these people. Yet these people are actually risking.

their life in a country where they're going to be killed. If the regime, if the regime does not fall, all of these people are going to be scooped up and killed. If this was a pro-Gaza mob, shutting down airports, screaming at Jewish students or, or climbing a statue of George Washington, they would be the voice of the oppressed. But here we're dealing with something far more dangerous. Here we have people rejecting an entire ideological project of the modern left. that's why they don't want to talk about this. That's why this movement terrifies them, because what you're witnessing happening every day in Iran is not just a mere uprising. This is not just a revolt against a dictator. This is a rejection of political Islam itself, a rejection of clerical rule itself, a rejection of an Islamic government, a rejection of the idea that faith should be enforced at the gunpoint of, of the state.

And most importantly, it is a rejection of the strange, makes no sense, red-green alliance. Okay, the red-green alliance is this holy marriage between, you know, radical leftists, the red, and the Islamist movement, the green. They don't match at all. For instance, Rick Rinell was on X yesterday, and he tweeted something. He goes in and he rescues and helps people escape if you're, you know, gay or lesbian or whatever, and you're in Iran, you've got to get out of there. And so he has for a long time helped people get out of Iran and escape because they're going to be thrown off a building and they're going to be butchered in the public square because of their sexual preference.

It's an abomination. You don't hear anybody on the left talking about that. You don't hear anybody talk about Rick Redell, what a great guy is, saving the lives of people. But anyway, I digress. The point is, on X, he said, for the first time ever, I've gotten a lot of people out of Iran, for the first. For the first time ever, he was told by somebody of the LGBTQ alliance, wait, wait, wait, I want to wait here a bit longer. Wait, I can get you out now. I want to wait a bit longer.

First time that's ever happened. He said there's real hope happening from within the country, not outside, it's happening within. And he said, I don't think you can stop the collapse of this regime at this point. from his mouth to God's ears, because that starts to dismantle a lot. Remember, this starts to dismantle the chalkboard I put up at Fox in 2009. Islamists, communists, socialists will all work together to destabilize the Middle East, Europe, and then eventually the United States. They're doing all of that, but this is the first time I'm seeing it maybe beginning to fall.

the Iranian people last time they were chanting for Marx because it was the Marxist that helped them get the cleric Ayatollah Khomeini back into power. By the way, just a quick side note, I'm sure it doesn't mean anything to Marxists now, but you know what happened to all those Marxists? The clerics killed all of those Marxists. You're a useful idiot, you dope.

Like they're going to tolerate you. All right. They're not to tolerate. They're not chanting for Marx. They're not chanting for the Muslim Brotherhood. They're chanting for Iran, a free Iran. There was a post by a woman in Iran that was on X. And she said, don't misunderstand what you're seeing. This is not reform. This is rejection. We're not asking for a better Islam. We're rejecting Islamic rule altogether. That's. key. And that's why you don't see the left helping on this at all. How can you stand with your hands in your pockets? LGBTQ community. How can you stand with your hands in your pockets when you know gays and lesbians are killed? They are slaughtered in the streets because they have a different sexual preference. You stand with your hands in your pockets? You're actually shouting down the president of the United States, they're going to name a street after Donald Trump.

I guarantee it. They'll name a street after Donald Trump. Because all of the leftists that we've had in power since Jimmy Carter, they keep their hands in their pockets and their mouth shut and they don't do anything. And people have lived, women have lived under this oppression. And enough is enough. They're saying this system belongs to us, not you. They're saying Islam as a governing ideology is incompatible with their history, their culture, their future, because they want to be part of the Western world. They're the only group of people that are actually doing it. It's amazing.

But I'll tell you, it's blasphemy to the Western left because if the Iranian people, actual brown people, actual Muslims, actual victims of imperial theocracy, are rejecting Islamic rule than the entire narrative on the left collapses. If Islam isn't liberation, then what exactly have the pro-Hamas protesters been cheering for? Do you know when that collapses? Do you know how many stories? Oh, I'm personally going to go over and get? Do you know the stories that we're going to hear from people about what that's like? This is going to destroy this movement.

And here's what is interesting. I told you this on Monday. one of the other things that was happening over the weekend was Democrats, people who, until recently, bent over backwards to excuse or sanitize pro-Hamas demonstrations saying, no, that's not what they mean when they say river to the sea? What exactly do they mean then? they condemned Hamas publicly strongly on X. Jerry Nadler did it. AOC did it. Suddenly the protesters that are condemning and heckling Jews, suddenly they're drawing lines. No, that's not. No, uh-uh.

What? What is that all about? The alliance is cracking. This should give you real hope as we are fighting Sharia law here. As we are, make no mistake, what do you think is really going on in Minnesota, in that Somali community? You think there's no Sharia courts in that Muslim community in Minneapolis? Oh, you bet there is. You bet there is.

There's no go zones. Everything that's coming out of Iran exposes the lie. And I will bet you that we will find that there is lots of leftist money going in to help stabilize the regime. Bet you. I will bet you. the Iranian people are ripping a mask off of this lie, and they're saying, we know exactly what an Islamic government looks like. We've lived under it for 45 years. We want no part of it.

Do you imagine what a free Persian people is going to do, what they're going to do for Europe? When they start telling their stories, guys, I don't care what you say. You have no idea. We just lived under it for 45 years. there's a poison in your civilization and you've got to chase it out. It's pretty amazing. And how can you claim all these people who are claiming that they are standing for? Listen, they're standing up for the people.

Are they? Because with ICE, they're telling people that ice shouldn't go in and get people who forcibly raped children, who murdered people. How are you standing up for our society? You don't want that picked up off the streets? What? You're standing up for Hamas, which did the same thing. You're standing up for Hezbollah, which does the same thing.

You're not standing up for the Persian people who are just saying, as women, I don't want to wear the burqa anymore. I want to be free. I want to choose my own way. You're not standing up for gays who are being slaughtered in Iran. And I, boy, I don't know how you even, well, you don't. I was going to say, I don't even know how you make that case, but you don't. You don't. That's why they stopped making it over the weekend with AOC.

They started backing up from it because it's going to topple. The regime is going to topple, and so is the red, the red green alliance. It's going to topple. It's going to. It has to. Because it's all a lie. All of it. This movement tells us identity politics is a lie.

culture actually matters history actually matters faith cannot be coerced and it also says the west's not wrong about a lot of things and that's dangerous and that's why the media is looking away but we shouldn't that man on that statue he's doing what many of us don't have the courage to do thank god many of us don't have to do it yet but think of the courage it took for him to go there and do that. He's standing on tyranny. He's reclaiming their Persian identity. He is choosing nation over ideology. He's waving a flag that says, we existed before you and we're going to exist long after you are in the dustbin of history. And that should haunt every tyrant. History is moving, and we are lucky enough to be alive, to observe it, and hopefully help shape it.

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Now, back to the podcast. You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck program. You know, the guy who really started this all, I mean, we have been hearing about the fraud in Minnesota for a long time. And local people have exposed it. Others have exposed to it. But Nick Shirley actually got out. and made it personal, made it something that you could experience and see by going to these, you know, leering centers where there were no children leering in them.

And then the fraud was exposed. Well, that made big, big news when that first came out. There is part two coming out probably maybe about 90 minutes. Nick's working on the final edits of it. Now he's here to tell us about what's coming. Nick. How's it going, everybody? Very good.

Very good. I need to get some of your Learing Center merch. Oh, yeah. It's great. Yes, you do. So tell me what you're exposing or what this next part two is really all about. Yeah, so essentially in Minnesota, across the country, they have these things called NEMTs, but in Minnesota, they've abused it to the point where now it's kind of what

upholds all the fraud of with the welfare programs. as they use these transportation companies to create some sort of paper trail to make it look like they're providing all these services to these people, that way they're able to continue frauding out the welfare programs, whether it be the daycares, the adult daycares, the healthcare clinics, they're able to then use these transportation companies to make it look like they're actually fulfilling these services, but they're actually not. So there are there are transportation services that are involved that are filling out fake transportation stuff?

Well, what they do is for instance like at an adult daycare. They also are embedded with the healthcare company that's just a few blocks down the road. But because there's actually not a person or there's not a real service that needs to be provided, they need to make it look like something's happening. So therefore they get these transportation. companies to then act like they're taking a person to the location and then they fill out a form saying that they provide this service and such. And then that way there's kind of the paper trail that they're actually fulfilling and doing these services. You've been working

with a guy who's with you on camera. I don't even know who he is, but I gather he is a local that is just like hyper-focused on fraud in Minnesota. I have that right. That's right. That is, you know, I think that's the smartest thing, Nick. I have found that, you know, I said this a while back. Who is the best person to teach, you know, the Battle of Gettysburg? I don't know. But there's got, he might be a cab driver in Detroit that has studied his whole life. And you can tell you where every bullet was retrieved on the field of Gettysburg. He's dedicated his whole life and he's a zealot on it. That's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, who you really get, when you want to move mountains, you get those people. And it's really smart of you. How long has he been working on this, tracking it? For up to seven years now where he's been looking into it. And then he's been getting all the research and information for a few years, I believe,

because it's hard to get the exact numbers and everything. So he's done everything possible to get the numbers from the Capitol. And that's why we're able to prove. And that's why nobody's been able to debunk anything inside the video because it's all true. There's a bunch of research and due diligence done beforehand. Nick, this is Ricky Glenn's favorite producer. I have a real title, but I like to go with that.

One of the reasons why I love your work is because you show and not just tell the story. So in this video that's going to be releasing in the next 90 minutes, what are we going to see? Is it going to be more awkward confrontations? Are you probably going to get more death threats as a result of this? Yeah, you're going to see a bit of everything because we start going to these locations from the website at the state of Minnesota to where these transportation companies are and they're nowhere to be found. And then when we ask the Somalians, well, where are these companies at? People start making all these crazy threats. They're coming after me saying that saying all this sort of crazy stuff.

I don't even want to say it on over air because it's just people just will have to watch it. but they're basically making like saying that if somebody were to get shot and killed, it'd be my fault because of what I've done. And I'm just telling them, I'm here to talk about fraud. Can you tell me where the transportation company is? And David makes a great point inside the video. And he says, once you piss off the fraudsters, they can't defend themselves so they deflect everything and they make it a race issue when it's not. That's what I've been talking about this week with the governor and the main. era and everybody else involved.

These ICE protests. This is the most cynical thing I have ever seen, I think, any politician ever do. They're threatening civil disorder. And, I mean, Wals alluded to civil war. And it's all just to change the subject. So nobody's looking at them and saying, hey, when did you know all of this stuff was going on? It's really nasty. Yeah, it is very nasty.

I mean, for instance, Ilhan Omar, she hasn't said a word about the fraud, but she's out there telling people they need to go against ICE. And so they're just using this opportunity to try and deflect everything against the fraud to make people not think about it because they know they were caught red-handed. Tim Walts, he dropped out of re-election because of it. I did a monologue earlier this week where I was, just making a list of all of the people that most likely had to have at least had an inkling, if not known.

And then they, I'm not saying they were a part of it, but they at least turned a blind eye. And the list is very long. I didn't even get to the Somali community. I just got to the people in state government and at the airport. I mean, there are hundreds of people that had to have known in the banking, TSA, and also in in state government. Yeah, I think people just got so used to happening to the point where they just felt like maybe if they did speak out against it, nothing would happen, or maybe it's not worth

losing my job. If I do speak out against the millions of dollars being funneled through the airport, I think a lot of people were scared because they'd be called an Islamophobic, white supremac by their colleagues and lose their jobs. Nick, this is Ricky again. The last time we had you on, you see. said that you and the FBI were playing phone tag with each other. Did you hand over these new findings for the transportation fraud to the FBI? Or is anyone at the FBI or DOJ reaching out to

pursue an investigation into what you're finding? That's a good question. I know David, he did a briefing with Scott Bessett, the Secretary of Treasury, and he talked about it. and so I imagine that if they didn't take it serious, then they'll take it serious today. You know, you talk about Scott Pesson, I'm glad to hear, I'm glad to hear that. I think one of the biggest culprits in this, because their fingerprints are always around stuff like this. Well, the banks, there's no way you take $700,000, I'm sorry, $700 million in cash. Cash that money, cash them into actual hard currency, and then put it on airplanes and send it to Somalia. The banks had to have known.

Are you looking into that at all? Yeah, I actually spoke to a former TSA, what you call it, and he told me all about it. And, yeah, it's very real. And all they have to do is get that money to a country like Dubai, and then they can then move that money over to wherever they want. I have a feeling when you're done in Minnesota, and you may never be done in Minnesota,

but when you're done in Minnesota, you should stop by California. I can't imagine. Right? Yeah, it's bad there. Are you getting tips from other states? Yeah, lots of people have reached out to me. And California is definitely like on the top of the list from everybody that I've spoken to just because just how bad it is there.

For instance, just like the price of gas is insane there. And then they're always complaining about taxes. and all this and that, but a lot, just the cost of living, there's insane. Meanwhile, they're paying the most in taxes, and they don't feel like they're receiving anything from their taxes. Are you hearing massive fraud in California? Oh, yeah. I think just like, for instance, just like that train they try to build or from L.A. to Las Vegas or the homelessness,

all the nonprofits. I mean, there's so much fraud that happened, though. I mean, I want to stand up for the train. You had to put two tracks parallel with each other on a pretty flat surface for a few miles. And that hasn't been done since, well, the 1800s. I mean, we've been doing it since the 1800s, but it's only a couple of hundred years old in technology. You wouldn't expect people in Silicon Valley or anybody in California understand that kind of new technology of laying rails. It's insane. Yeah, it's pretty unbelievable.

I know. Nick, thanks so much. Thanks for everything you're doing. I appreciate it. This is going to come out in about, what, 90 minutes? Yeah, hopefully in the next 90 minutes or so. And we'll find it at your YouTube channel? Yeah, YouTube and on X.

Okay, good. Thank you very much. YouTube.com slash at Nick Shirley or on X, Nick Shirley. I can't wait to see it. I can't imagine what is next. I mean, you know, you asked the question about death threats, and you kind of said it in a joking way. I

he he needs to watch out for himself I mean these people are serious you are dealing with billions of dollars billions of dollars people get killed for exposing things like this I I hope he is safe you're listening to the best of Glenn Beck

need a little more check out the full show podcasts anywhere you download podcasts I have my whole team is in town today we have people all over the country and everybody's come in because we have a big, I have a big announcement to make to the staff today that I'm really excited about.

Something that I have wanted to do since I first thought, I'm going to do talk radio. We have a bingo card for what we think you're going to announce. Am I allowed to share any of that? No, no. Nobody's getting robots. That's one of the guesses. I think he's getting us a robot.

No, I'm not getting you anything. What are you selfish? Anyway. Um, so, uh, they're all in town. And, uh, Nick Daly, who has been, we've been together for 2000, 25 years, 25 years. 26. Um, and, uh, Nick does all of our production, any of the beds you hear, any of, any of the music that you hear. Uh, he and Sam Cardin, who is our, uh, the guy who composes all of our music. Uh, they record it all and everything else. And he's just great. But I asked him to do something, uh, on the American story. And this is a, this is a, this is based on a book by David. Tim Barton. And Nathan Nipper, who is a writer for me, he spent months adapting this and writing it.

And then I did the narration for it. And then you took it and you had it forever. I mean, this is hard. Yeah, it was like six months of work probably for 10 episodes. 10 episodes, yeah. Hope it's worth it. But anyway, I heard, I mean, you've always said you are the best in the business. I mean that.

I mean, you know, Skywalker sound doesn't have anything on you. And when I had this come back to me, you can, and Ricky said this to me today, when you're telling the story about George Washington, or I'm telling a story about George Washington, and he's in the battle, you can hear the bullets whizz by, especially if you're listening in your car, it's like the bullets are whizzing by your head. How did you do that? Is that just stereo? Yeah, most of it's stereo, but first of it's stereo, but first.

for the stuff passing by you is binoral audio. So it's kind of a spatial adaptation of stereo that kind of fakes surround sound and headphones. Yeah. It's really amazing. Because you do feel it. I mean, you feel like you're in battle. It's amazing.

And we wanted it to be really immersive so you could feel what the, the angst that these people are going through in these battles. I mean, it's hair raising to have a bullet fly past you, let alone a hundred of them. Yeah. It's amazing. Were you amazed by the story?

I was. Yeah. Yeah. Some of the stories are like, wait, what happened? Just the fact that George Washington made it through that battlefield field all the way, you know, with all these bullets flying past him and bullets going through his coat.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And still never got taken out. Incredible. It's called The American Story. How many tracks did, what is, what is like something normally you would do for us? It really depends on the context, but maybe, you know, maybe 100 tracks normally. But there were, there were one or two episodes that probably approached 400, 400 tracks. 400 tracks.

Well, you were fabulous. It's really, really good. We do have one clip from the Battle of Trenton. Here's a Battle of Trenton from The American Story can be found now. It's free at glenbeck.com. Listen. It's after 8 a.m. When Washington's troops finally swarm into Trenton.

There's no turning back now. The Hessian troops stumble from their barracks into heavy musket and cannon fire. In the frenzy charge, an 18-year-old Virginian takes a musket ball through the shoulder that severs an artery. He collapses. He's bleeding out in the snow. A civilian doctor named John Riker, as in Rikers Island, rushes into the fray. Riker's not in the army. He just shone up to offer his assistance when he heard the battle erupt.

Spotting the fallen officer, he tears open the man's uniform and clamps the artery with his bare fingers. It works. Dr. Riker saves the young lieutenant's life. A young man named James Monroe. who is going to go on to serve as the nation's fifth president. It's incredible. And you're just hearing this in mono. We're making it in mono for radio audio.

You listen to it online at glenbeck.com, and it is so immersive. It is really great. It's really hard to find sounds that don't have ventilation hum or, you know, when you talk about these historical things. Yeah. It's like, let me find a room tone or a, you know, a city ambience that doesn't have cars in the background or doesn't have planes.

This is the kind of stuff. he thinks about all day long. It's like, where do I find the ambient noise that doesn't have a car in the background? You're the audio nerd we need. You are. You're fabulous. Thank you very much. I appreciate it.

There is also something else. Oh, before you leave, the George A.I. And the Glenn A.I. George A.I. today is on Sharia law. And I don't know what Glenn A.I. is on. Do you know? Jason didn't tell me. So he's fired, right?

Yeah. Of course he is. Um, but, um, can you talk about that? Because I remember doing something. Oh, we should find this from 2017. I tried to recreate my voice using AI. And you could, you could hear kind of the beginnings of the tones that I would use. But it was so clearly just, it was garbled.

It was awful. Um, and they said that audio is actually harder than video for some reason. I don't know if that's true, but that's what we heard at the time. And, and it has moved so fast. We were on the phone, was it over Christmas, and we were trying to get my voice right. Right. Yeah. And I have to tell you, I listened to it last night, and it's a little spooky.

I mean, it, it's, I mean, it's exact, except it doesn't make any mistakes. It's exact. And it's like you have to retrain it constantly because as the algorithm is evolving or as the, the, the, the voice model is evolving. Sometimes they'll make a code change and all of a sudden you sound like one of the generic voices for a few seconds at the beginning. So then I'll have to go back and retrain the, Retrain the model. Because in the middle of one of the George AIs this week, all of a sudden you heard George just, he like changed. It was like going through puberty for a second.

And then it came back. And that was. And that's just like a glitch in their model that is really hard to predict. And that's 11 labs. Yeah. That's 11 labs. Are they the only ones that make voices like this? Are they just the best?

There's some other ones, but I think they're the best. Like I've heard some other ones and it's like you can really tell that they're AI or they sound stilted. Yeah. And they're 11 has the best emotional context. It's a, it's incredible. It is. It's incredible. It's not quite there entirely yet, but it's enough to fool somebody into thinking that this is. Yeah. And the one thing we want to make sure that's why I call it Glenn AI is we never want you to think that that is me. Although it is based on 30 years of everything I've ever recorded, ever written. My entire catalog, which is, we went through this the other day. What was it like 40 or 400? Some crazy. thing like 400 Bibles. I mean, it's just an enormous library.

And so it takes everything that I know. It can't pull from anything outside, only the information and it has to memorize everything I've ever said. And so when it says, talk to me about, you know, whatever, talk to me about AI. It will talk to you as it understands me and my performance is clearly not me, but it is, It can only take my ideas and rework them in the fashion of of AI. And it's weird. We're seeing a split in the audience.

Some people say, I can never, I can never listen to it. I don't ever want to listen to it. I don't want anything AI. That's fine. And I understand that. I do. I've been a guy on the radio since, well, it's not even in the 20s. It was in 1996 or seven that started warning about AI.

and told you what was coming and said it was going to happen around 2030 and here it all is. We are, we're going to release our AI ethics here in the next few days. So you understand my ethics on AI so you know exactly how I feel about it. It is the most dangerous thing man has ever invented. It is also the greatest thing man has ever invented. It just depends. Do you understand it's a tool? And I really, this really was brought home to me.

me, I was with a friend who's a surgeon and he was working on a robot, if you will, and it's called the Da Vinci 7, I think. And it is this amazing surgical tool that can do things that you just can't do, but it is all run by the surgeon. It is still his hands off to the side of the room running this robot, but it can get into places. and the difference that it can make in people's lives and surgery is remarkable. But he's not the tool. That's the tool.

He's the one making all the decisions and everything else. And if you decide to check out and don't do anything AI, I fear you're going to regret it. If you don't understand that AI is a tool and you are its master, you are going to live to regret that. even more. But I remember when Apple 2C came out, the Apple 2C, remember that old computer. And I like to write things out on longhand.

And I got an Apple 2 and I'm like typing all this stuff in and I'm like, I hate this. I'm never going to. I just like it in paper. And I never learned to use a computer up until the 2000s because I didn't want it. I like paper. I have a hard time with computers. Nothing is intuitive to me because all of that time was. wasted, okay? And I can't do that. The same is going to be true with AI. It is going to be a part of

your life. You should master it now before it tries to master you, but you should master it now, because I don't care what you do. It's going to play a role in your life. Master it. Use it as the tool so you're not, so you in the end have a choice. I'm either going to use it or I'm not. I'm going to use it that way or I won't. But at least you'll have that door open to where you can use it in ethical ways. But if you avoid it now, you're going to regret it. I really believe you're going to regret it because you'll be left in the dust and it's moving way fast, way fast.