The Glenn Beck Program - Best of the Program | Guest: Pastor Josh McPherson | 2/16/24

Episode Date: February 16, 2024

Georgia District Attorney Fani Willis, notorious for her role in charging President Trump for allegedly committing election interference, took the stand in her own misconduct hearing after her affair with the lead prosecutor in Trump’s case became public. Pastor Josh McPherson joins to discuss the recent shooting at Joel Osteen’s church in Houston and breaks it down on multiple levels. Glenn and Stu discuss the news that Alexei Navalny, Russian opposition leader to Vladimir Putin, has died after being imprisoned. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Great podcast today. If you missed the Fannie Willis or Fannie Willis case yesterday in the testimony, it was great fun. And we share some of that with you. Also, a very optimistic look at the world around us in our number two of the podcast. And then we talk a little about AI and where that's headed, everything you need for a Friday, including a lot of laughs on today's podcast. brought to you by real estate agents I trust. If you've ever had spectacular service, you didn't just notice it, you were captivated by it,

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So Fannie Willis admitted yesterday. lot of things. You know, her, her attorneys were trying to keep her from testifying, and they were in the middle of making the case, and she just walked up there like a strong, proud black woman, and she stood there, and she's like, I'm coming to testify, and she did. And nobody could keep her from stopping, talking. You know, the one thing that you learn, if you've ever had to do anything like this, is don't, don't volunteer any information. answer the question and that's it. Yeah, but no, I should explain.

No, don't. You'll open up too many cans of worms. Don't. Right, your job is not to be entertaining. Your job is not to fill in the holes in the story. Your job is to give as little as information as possible while answering the question. That is your job in that situation. She took her job more as I was trying out to be the next host at MSNBC.

Oh, that's exactly what she was doing yesterday. Here she is on the witness stand when questioned about cash that she used to reimburse Nathan Wade. Listen to this. I always have cash at the house. That has been, I don't know, all my life. If you're a woman and you go on a date with a man, you better have $200 in your pocket. So if that man acts up, you can go where you want to go. So I keep cash in my house.

And I don't keep cash as good in my purse like I used to. I don't go on many dates. but when you go on a date, you should have cash in your pocket. So my question was, where did that cash originally come from? If it didn't come out of the bank. Cash is fungible. It's fungible. We had cash for years in my house.

So for me to tell you the source of when it comes from, when you go to public and you buy something, you get $50, you throw it in there. It's been my whole life. When I took out a large amount of money on my first campaign, I kept some of the cash of that. Like, to tell you, I just have cash in my house. I don't have as much today as I would normally have, but I'm building back up now. So you just put money in. It's a very good practice. I would advise it to all women.

So in other words, she used to have tens of thousands of dollars of cash. And she got that cash by building up, by going into the grocery store and buying her groceries. Wait, you would have to pay with cash to get change back. So she would take $100 out and she'd get $50 back in change. And that's how she built up the cash. Now, also, I don't do this anymore. I mean, I spent it all. Wait, you spent most of it?

I'm building it back up. So we don't, there's nobody that can testify or we can't ask you how much cash do you have now? because if you had $40,000 in cash, I mean, usually that's, I mean, that's something that I would think that maybe, you know, you could have that amount of cash. But isn't that something like the bank notifies and goes, I think they've got a lot of cash? But she admits that it's from her first campaign, which I believe the cash from your campaign is pretty tightly regulated. and, you know, I don't think, you imagine if anybody, if I'm running, I'm like, yeah, I just keep all those campaign contributions in my house. Now, I will say, again, we would never get the benefit of any defense if the situation was reversed. But to be fair to her, hearing the way that.

I know, I hate the show because of that. I know. We try to be fair. We never get it in return. I will be fair to her on this one point, which is she at another point in this test. testimony did talk about taking out $50,000 for her campaign of her own money. So it was not camp. It was not like she was saying, I took donations and then kept them in cash at my house. She was talking about a large amount of cash she took out to pay for her own campaign.

And I think she's trying to refer to what was left over. Now, she did also say she was almost broke after that campaign. So not a lot of would be left over, I would think, if you're describing yourself as broke to an author. Especially if you're adding to that pile by taking from that pile to get change. Right. Well, and that's the thing, Glenn, like if you get into a conversation, let's say, with the IRS, like let's say they have a tax issue with you. They don't take a, well, look, cash is fungible.

I don't know where it came from. Like, you don't get to answer that way. You have to know. The only people I've ever heard say that are drug lords. You know, I've never heard that before. In fact, I've heard the opposite. If you do have cash, make sure you have a receipt with that cash so you know exactly where that cash came from. Yeah.

I've always heard that. Right. Like the cash part of this is so unbelievable. I mean, look, do some people have cash? Yeah. Some people have cash. Some people pay for things with cash. I mean, like, that's not completely out of the realm of possibility.

what is out of the realm of possibility is taking this these large gobs of cash and paying for exactly half of trips that you're going on with your boyfriend like that is just like it's just not that is not realistic this did not occur

you know just not the type of thing that that goes on especially when you add on the fact that the boyfriend then does nothing does there's never a deposit he makes with all these thousands of dollars I mean just it's so completely unbelievable.

And like they think they've talked themselves into this untraceable victory here. Like they just, oh, well, they can't prove that this didn't happen, which probably is true, right? I mean, you could get witness testimony, but that's about it. It's probably going to be really hard to prove that that cash did not go from her, you know, magical stash to his magical stash with no record of it anywhere. It's going to be hard to prove that. But, I mean, the question is, does the judge actually buy it? I can't believe that he would.

I mean, how could he? I mean, the regulations, Glenn say, according to the attorneys in the case, that she's supposed to report any gift of $100 or more. And we have multiple trips of thousands and thousands of dollars where this woman is going to vacations. I've never been to Napa Valley on a vacation. I've never been to a Ruba on a vacation. But, you know, she's taking really fancy trips. for a public servant. Listen to the hatred.

Listen to the hatred. Let me, let me hit you up on this then. If you're just going to hit me on the hatred, let me ask you this. Okay. Because I got this. By the way, that's all I have, Stu. That's the only thing you can. That's why she's using it.

Well, that's why she made that speech at the church where she said, like, can you believe they're going after these black men and a black woman? This is all about race. Immediately jump to that because there's no other way to justify this behavior. It's obviously a problem. but like there's this other thing their interaction was fascinating between Wade and Willis. Willis continually kept talking about bizarre relationship details that she was not being asked about.

Did you notice this? This was fascinating. Oh yeah. How could, if you watched it, how could you miss it? At one point, like she kept making this distinction as when their relationship. ended. She claims it ended in August. And he, she, he didn't say this, but she claims that he thinks the relationship ended in June or July because that was the last time they had sex. And she kept bringing this up. Like, you know, you know how men are. Men think relationships stop the last time you have

sex. And I believe it stops when you have an uncomfortable conversation, the breakup conversation. Well, he got just a second, Stu. May I just point out. he also believes that his marriage is over, you know, long before the divorce proceedings. When you're testifying, did you have an affair during your marriage? And the answer is no. And you're still married and seeing someone, you don't get to say, in a court of law, well, yeah, but that's not how I define marriage. Right. So it's these people. So go ahead. I will say in this day and age, you do get to occasionally make up definitions of marriage.

That is something that we have learned over the years you are occasionally able to do. But so she was saying, okay, well, that's how men think. Now, again, I guess you're just able to just trash all men. That's how men think. Now, I don't have no guy who's like, actually, we broke up on Tuesday, but I think of the relationship ending last Thursday because we hooked up last Thursday. Like, I don't know guys who think it that way, but okay, let's just. to take that as it is. Then that was not something they were asking about, though.

They were not saying like, you know, it's specific. She wanted to tell this story. She wanted to tell the story so bad. And then she says he, you know, she starts going into the details of their breakup conversation and the attorney cuts. Now, you're not supposed to do this as an attorney. You want the, you want the witness to just run their mouth and hopefully give you details you didn't think were coming.

The attorney cuts her off and says, yeah, no, I'm not asking about the details of your conversation. You don't need to go into that. I'm not asking about that. She interrupts him and says, oh, well, you should ask about that. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. I have to also lead that she went on a rage about how she was being personally violated. Her most important relationships have been hung out for everybody to see,

and she is offended that anybody would do that to her. Right. And then she's just... Privacy violations. Giving all sorts of details. And multiple times tries to bring up that Nathan Wade, the guy she was sleeping with, had erectile dysfunction problems. She attempts to do it multiple times.

And the attorneys keep cutting about it. I'm really grossed out. We don't need to know all of this information. At one point, and eventually she gets to the point where she can bring it up. Because the attorneys are trying to get the timeline of this relationship. Again, multiple witnesses are saying it started at 2019. They're denying that. So he's like, well, what about in 2022?

Did you guys have a relationship? Her point on that is it was impossible for us to have a relationship because he had some sort of cancer, which apparently gave him erectile dysfunction. And again, they keep trying to cut her off before she says this stuff. She eventually gets it out and then says. And then says, I'm sorry. She says, well, I mean, he had issues that would make a relationship impossible if you know what I mean.

But I am not going to emasculate a black man. And the attorney's like, wait, wait a minute, what? Like, we didn't ask you about this? And he's so shocked. He's like, what? And she says, I will not emasculate a black man. And then sits back in her chair. I need that audio.

I need that audio. It was incredible. And you got to think this guy, Nathan Wade, who's, by the way, trying to share this BS story about cash payments and when the relationship starts. They're on the same team. They've obviously arranged this story. And he's like, why are you talking about my weiner? There's no reason. Why is that being?

Why are you doing that? You wouldn't ask me about a relationship if you saw his weiner. That was her defense. It really was. This guy couldn't perform at all. Let me tell you about what he tried to do this one time. Man, stop! Can I ask you this?

What I find so infuriating is their logic never meets. It is never complete. So on one hand, she is talking about how we can't have a relationship. It's impossible. He just asked if your relationship. We couldn't have because his weiner wouldn't work. Earlier, when she's asked about relationship ending, she says, guys only think of that as sex.

Women think of it differently. Wait, no, apparently you think about sex too, because they asked you about your relationship, not, you know, not his weiner. She said it was impossible without that factor. And then later on said that it's the exact opposite stance. it. All right, back to the podcast in just a second. Patriot Mobile is on a mission to glorify God also to protect and defend our God-given rights and constitutional rights and freedoms. How do they do that? Well, they decide that the best, and I think this is right, the best charity is great

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Now back to the podcast. You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck program. A man whose church I wish I could attend if I lived in the area, I would be there often. Josh McPherson, welcome to the program, sir. How are you? I'm very good, Glenn. Thanks for having me back. Sure. So when I brought you in last time, you were, you sat in my studio and you're like, I don't even, I have no idea why I'm even here. and that's very true it was a little confusing experience

yeah because we called you out of the blue but I as I told you there you have a you know you have a global reach now if you're on if you're online and you're posting stuff you never know who's watching you never know who's listening and I thoroughly enjoyed it what was the what was the take when you got back home oh my gosh well lots of different experiences but I think largely just So many of the people in our community, especially in our church, are just so grateful for you, your impact, your reach, your clarity, your curiosity, as I mentioned, on your show, your humility. And just your willingness to invite, like I said, a Hick from the Sticks to come on your show and talk about Jesus. So a lot of excitement, a lot of gratefulness.

And like I said, you gave my family top ten experience of our life with the after show after the podcast of things we got to see there at your place. So we were very, very grateful, very grateful. Well, Josh, I'll give you the $100. I promised you if you said all those nice things. So you did a good job. It came off since you. I remember it was $200. All right, Josh, I want to take this and break what happened down at Lakewood Church, the shooting there.

And I want to break it down the way you've broken it down one piece at a time, starting with on a human level. Because you go through on a human level. level, practical level, social level, political level, theological level. And it really helps you think clearly. So let's start with this story on a human level. Yeah, we were chatting. As a pastor, you see something that happens like this, and it's so tragic and it's so complex. And instantly, it can become politicized. Instantly, it can be weaponized from one side of the aisle to push for some sort of crazy legislation to, and the focus goes the wrong way,

it goes to the wrong problem. And as a pastor, you look at it and go, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, on a human level, at a very basic starting point, this is tragic and complex. There are no easy answers, especially when you have what I would consider to be a mentally unstable woman who thinks she is a man, potentially on hormones.

We'll never know that if she was. That'll never get out. And she takes her seven-year-old child into harm's way while she is going to attempt to harm other people. We can just start with the fact that this is tragic and complex. It's complex for her family, her former husband, her in-laws, her Jewish in-law, mother-in-law is already on the news. It's tragic for her friends, her coworkers, that child's friends.

And then you get into the security team with the church, the Sunday school teachers of the church, the pastoral team of the church. Now, every single person attending that church has to deal with the fear anxiety, it gives us to go to church again. I have people in my church, Glenn, who've been a part of kind of mass shooting events at concerts, couldn't go outside for years, couldn't go back out in public for years. And so just on a basic human level, I think to be helpful pastorally, we start with the fact it's tragic and complex. And that's where we used to pause for a while. You know, I've been doing radio for almost 50 years, and, you know, there used to be a time where

you didn't joke, you didn't make it political, you didn't do anything. It was a moment of pause and reflection, and the whole country did it. Now it goes, if it even goes to the human level, it's not there very long. That's exactly right. And we're lesser for it. I mean, if we as a society can't come together and acknowledge the human element that this is tragic at every level, then we're less human and we're missing something very, very profound. So on a practical level, the next thing you looked at. Yeah, the next thing that I thought was, thanks be to God, there was leadership in place. I don't know this church very well, the leadership at all, but thanks be to God, they had the sense to take initiative to prepare for evil.

And that's the job of leadership. We don't make war on things because we hate what's in front of us, but we love what's behind us. And part of being a stronger man, sort of being a good leader, is preparing for worst-case scenario. And so, you know, our nation may not be taking very good care of our borders, but thanks to God, there was a pastor in Texas who is willing to take care and prepare to protect the people as church. So on a practical level, having spent six years in law enforcement myself and having been put in situations where weapons were drawn and was instant moments away from having to make a

life or death decision myself, I guess my first thing to think was it's tragic at a human level. And then I was intently grateful for good guys with guns, which is the only thing that will stop bad guys with guns. Then the social level. You asked here, are we even listening? Yeah. You know, it's interesting. Camille Pagley, I don't know if you're familiar with her. She's actually someone I've listened to quite a bit. I actually really enjoy her. We're kind of odd bedfellows. She's an atheist, lesbian, self-identified like lesbian. transgender professor of Yale and kind of higher learning. Hold on just a second.

America, did you just hear this? A pastor who listens because there's always something to learn from somebody, even if you disagree with them, there's always something to learn, and you listen and you don't hate. God bless you. All right, go ahead. Well, I was listening to one of her lectures, and she's just naturally curious. and she's very intellectually honest.

And so I've followed her for several years and just kind of watching the journey that she's on. And when she speaks, she makes a lot of sense. And one of the things that she talks about is she studied androgyny. She's written dozens of books on it and papers. And it's kind of the blurring of men and women. And she talks about historically, she's very intelligent. She talks about the fact that it's inevitable that when a society fixates on androgyny, it is undeniable and indisputable late-stage culture.

It's a tale-tale sign that that culture is in its late stage of collapse. She goes through the Greek Empire, the Persian Empire, the Babylonian Empire, the Babylonian Empire, the Roman Empire. And she shows the Vimar Republic, the Republic of Germany. It was late stage. That's exactly right. She referenced that as well. and she talks about the social contagion that she calls this kind of transgender fixation with and the crazy thing is, Glenn, she points to each one of those cultures, each one of those

cultures in their fixation on androgyny felt they were being two things, one, sophisticated and compassionate. And as an self-about atheist, lesbian, transgender person, she says, I am grateful that there was not a crazy government mechanism in place to pull me into making decisions that I would have regret the rest of my life when I was 12. Because in my state, Glenn, it's illegal for a government school teacher to reveal to a parent that their child wants to use different pronouns at school. And it's legal for the government schools to transport that child to a, quote, gender therapy center to begin hormonal treatment without their parents' consent. And that is absolute insanity.

And so we have to recognize what's happening here and stand up and say something about it. So on a social level, are we listening when you take a mentally unstable woman and encourage her to be a man, et cetera, et cetera. Next, you talked about political, on a political level. It's crazy to mean. I think there's a wide consensus for this in our nation. I think I hope there is that there's just no ability to understand the pro-Palestinian, pro-hamas, pro-terror movement sweeping our nation, quote-unquote, at least as we see, snippets of it in the news because there's no question as to the agenda of Hamas, the agenda of the terrorist group. And my question was like she had indecutable pro-Palestinian free Hamas messages

honor person, on her gun in her social sphere that's being investigated. And it's like, are we learning anything about terrorism here. They are radicalizing the mentally unstable. They're radicalizing the weak and vulnerable. they're radicalizing the disenfranchised. And they have one message. It's not love. It's not peace. It's not doing to others as you have them do into you.

It is murder, kill, destroy. And we know that's satanic because that's Satan's playbook. The Bible says that Satan comes to steal, kill, and destroy. And when you parachute into a town and rape women and murder children, you are running the devil's playbook, whether it's in Gaza, Israel, or in Houston, Texas. So we've gone through human level, practical level, social level, political level. The last one is really your purview as a pastor, a theological level. We're with Josh McPherson. You need to follow him. Pastor Josh McPherson. You can follow him on an Instagram at Pastor Josh

McPherson. His website isgracecitychurch.com. I think this man is, I think he's the real deal. And I've been looking for pastors like this, and I've found many of them. This guy, I just, for some reason, really connect with. You're listening to the best of Glenn Beck. Check out the full show podcast to listen to the rest of this interview. Navalny. You remember him. He was probably the most prominent opposition leader of Putin in Russia. And, uh, he was. And, uh, he was probably the most prominent opposition leader of Putin in Russia. And the Russian courts found him guilty of all kinds of things. There were a lot of charges against Navalny, and they finally got that guy and put him away.

Can you imagine? Super legitimate legal process that led to that. Right. Imagine what it's like to live in Russia. Aren't you glad you live here? So we told you a couple of weeks ago, he was taken from, I think he was. was in Moscow, and he was taken in the middle of the night someplace. His attorney didn't know where he was for like two weeks. Finally, they say, we took him to the Polar Wolf Arctic Penal Colony. Now, this is a place. It's in the Arctic Circle. And there is no escape because you go outside and

you die. So I didn't think this was good for him. You know, I don't think anybody thought, oh, well, he's going to kick back. You know, I think there were some people that thought he didn't even make it there, you know, somehow or another. Oh, it's just, he caught a cold. It was breezy in his head because they found a hole in his head. But he was out walking, ready?

He was out walking last Friday in the polar, polar wolf Arctic penal colony. Apparently he liked to go outside and walk. Now, does that sound like something in the winter time, Stu,

that you would recommend? You know, no, I would not. And it's, you know, I'm not a fan of exercise generally, but I think this is the type of exercise you should avoid for sure. Yeah, it's again, in the Arctic Circle.

So he apparently just loved to walk outside and they'd let him. And they said that, you know, 47 years old, he's the guy who went after the corruption and opulence of the crooks and thieves of Russia's elites and Putin. And they said he just went outside for a walk. And then he came back in and he felt unwell. and then, you know, they brought him back to the cell, and he fell unconscious almost immediately. And the prison said, quote, all necessary resuscitation measures were carried out, which did not yield positive results. Oh, you're kidding me. No. And I am sure they strapped electric wires to him and beat his chest.

That's not the way we would put it here. I'm sorry. So Putin was told about the death, and he said, All broken up. All broken up. I think he might have been a little sad because he didn't get to throw this guy from a window, you know? Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. I mean, it's a really shock.

A huge shocker that this happened. I was really surprised the most surprising death of all time. Yeah, and I don't think anything else could be said except this. When I first was told the story, I heard them say, yeah, he was on a walk at the polar wolf and I didn't know that was the name of the prison and I just

misheard them I thought they said he was on a walk on the polar roof Arctic penal colony and so and just kept walking forgot to take the left hand turn

that's really not a good I mean in any in any way shape or form you're in Russia don't walk on the roof they have a problem I don't know if they're all slippery or what but a lot of people

fall from the roof imagine the The balls of this guy are like two in the middle of all of this going on. Like he has no fear at all for any repercussions as to his actions of just killing people that oppose him. Has no, I mean, all the, all the the microscopes that are on every one of his actions right now and does not care at all. And, you know, I mean, it's, it's incredible. Yeah, a little bit, a little bit. We have somebody who's listening earlier to the program.

A friend of mine wrote in because we were talking about Fannie Willis opening herself up to embezzlement investigations. Because her cash, do we have that clip? Can we play that clip, please, of Fannie Willis talking about the cash that she has. Cut two. But I always have cash at the house. That has been, I don't know, all my life. If you're a woman and you go on a date with a man, you better have $200 in your pocket. So if that man acts up, you can go where you want to go.

So I keep cash in my house. And I don't keep cash as good in my purse like I used to. I don't go on many dates. But when you go on a date, you should have cash in your pocket. So my question was, where did that cash originally come out of the bank? Man, this is a Wendy's. Fungible? We had cash for years in my house.

So for me to tell you the source of when it comes from, when you have, go to public and you buy something, you get $50, you throw it in there. It's been my whole life. When I took out a large amount of money on my first campaign, I kept some of the cash of that. Like, to tell you, I just have cash in my house. I don't have as much today as I would normally have, but I'm building back up now. You just put money in. It's a very good practice.

I would advise it to all women. Sure, sure. So she right now doesn't have thousands and thousands of dollars in cash like she used to. but she's building back up. Okay. And look, I think she's right. I think it's a good piece of advice that if you're going on a date, you have a couple hundred bucks in your purse because you never know what's going to happen.

You want to make sure you're prepared for anything. I think that's a good thing for everybody to do. A lot of people don't use cash now, and so they don't carry it ever. And it's like, well, you never know when there's a credit card machine down or the ATM is broke. Who knows what's going to happen? Be prepared with a couple hundred bucks. Sure. Yeah.

$4,000 that you're just handing over on random occasions constantly to your boyfriend to pay for luxurious trips all over the world? Nah, not so common. Not necessarily the same advice. Look, she took some money out of her first campaign and kept some of that cash. Now, here's the good news, because I just got a letter in from a friend who said, so did Fannie Willis open herself up to an embezzlement investigation? She stated her cash hoard, cash was fungible. She used some of her cash hoard for her campaign.

Generally, that means she loaned her own cash to the campaign. Perfectly legal, if you keep records of the money and how much money is moving. When it was over, presumably she got paid back from her campaign via donors, I guess. Remember, she was allegedly a Soros-backed DA candidate. She kept some of that, she said. Well, there must, capital letters, must be records of both of those transactions because there's no way her campaign could have paid her back in cash. So at least she opened herself up to campaign finance investigation for how the money got in and out of her campaign and how she got paid back and how she turned the check or the bankwire from her campaign back to into cash for her hoard. even if her campaign paid her back in cash, there must be a record. Otherwise, it's not legal.

Camp could refer this in and of itself to the state prosecutor's office and likely appoint a special prosecutor for investigation on this. I mean, it could theoretically be, right, that she withdrew this cash. She at one point talked about withdrawing $50,000 to pay for her campaign expenses in a campaign that she lost previously. So she was complaining about how she had no money. And this is one of the things. That's not possible. It's not possible. Well, she talked, this is what she said. She did.

I know, but may I just, have you ever tried to withdraw a large sum of money from the bank? $10,000? $5,000? Yeah, I mean, not often, but I've attempted. Okay. I don't think, I don't know. Attempted. Okay.

So you go in and you ask for $50,000 in cash. Never does that. The bank will tell you, we don't have that cash. You'll have to come back. Tuesday or next week at some point. Is that true? Oh, yeah. The reason I asked that, I was just reading this story from, I think it was in our, it's in your

email newsletter today, but it's a story about the personal finance woman at New York magazine who got a call from someone who said they were from the government and needed her to put $50,000 into a shoebox and hand it to a guy in a car that was passing by and she did it. Which is, I don't know that I'm taking her advice in future columns. but she said in that story that she went in and withdrew $50,000 from her bank account and they, the woman, they didn't even ask, the bank didn't even ask her what it was for, which is, to me, was shocking.

The bank doesn't have to, but she would be setting off alarms over $10,000. Right. It would be reported to the government. But I know I have asked for a sum of money and was going to buy something in cash. and I was put through the ringer on it and told it would be two weeks beforehand. Because all of the money in the bank, at least this is the way it is in Texas, all of the money in our banks is not in the vault. They take that every night and they bring it to the treasury.

And then the bank has to say how much money they need for daily operation. So when you go take a large sum of money out, you can't do it right away. Now maybe that's different in Atlanta, but I highly doubt it. And why would you take out cash? Well, yeah, and this is what I was trying to get to is like if you took, if you had $50,000 in the bank and you wanted to use it for your campaign, you would either take $50,000 out, as you pointed out, and loan it to your campaign, which would be a very normal way politicians. You wouldn't do that in cash, of course, but it would be a normal thing that politicians do. They take money out and loaned the campaign all the time.

That's very normal. However, you would either do it that way and then there would be all the problems you just discussed, or you could theoretically take this money out for some reason and not and give it to the campaign as it's needed, right? Like you wouldn't necessarily give it all at once. But there would be no reason to do that in cash form. If you had to withdraw from the bank anyway, you wouldn't put $50,000 at your house and then loan $1,000 a week to your campaign.

It makes no sense. I mean, it makes no sense at all. why would you have $50,000? Why would you want it in your house? No, it's a terrible idea. If anybody found out that you had that in your house, it makes you and your family a target. And like, I don't know. Why would you want that?

And how could they find out unless you happen to testify about it in front of the entire country and tell everyone that you usually have tens of thousands of dollars at your home, which she did yesterday, which is a terrible idea. Terrible. And even he said, well, you know, if I had that much money in my house, I would never say that. Why would I say that? It'd make me a target. He said that. She's like, well, I don't have as much now. You know, I've got, you know, maybe a couple hundred bucks, but I used to keep hundreds of thousands of dollars in my house. Millions, billions, billions of dollars. I could go on vacay. I like to pay,

you know, I like to pay everything in cash because it doesn't, it, honestly, it doesn't bring up any suspect, you know, on my name or reputation. I go to the airport and I say, I want a ticket to a Ruba, and I just put $4,000 down at the airport. They love it. They love it. Actually, no, I have my boyfriend pay for it on his business card and then I give him cash in return. It's even worse than you bring in the cash to the airport. So if he turned that in, that bank statement, to his business, did he get re-uner?

embersed for it. Right. Or did he come to the, did he come to the cashier and just pay that in cash, you know, at the, at his, at his place of business? Yeah, it's unclear. He kind of made it seem, they did follow up and try to basically get him on the, the idea that he deducted this as a business expense, which he denied. He said he did not deduct it as a business expense.

So he, you know, and this happens, you know, especially if you're a small business owner, sometimes you put stuff on your card. you don't even mean to. That's a personal thing. And you have to make sure you keep detailed records to make sure that you know that that is not a business expense. Detailed records. You know, anybody who has these sorts of arrangements, if you have a small business or something, you know how crazy you have to be on this stuff because they'll go after you for anything.

So you have to keep detailed records. You know, if you transfer money from one account to another, in the note, you make sure you put in there. This is for a personal expense. Like you have to make sure you're really on top of this. And you use the right cards for the right circumstances all the time. Because any competent person who really cares about getting this stuff right is going to make sure they're all over it. Oh my gosh. These two would be an IRS dream. Imagine being an agent going, please sign them to me.

Please let me look at. All right. And by the way, if they weren't liberals, the IRS would already be knocking at their door.