The Glenn Beck Program - Best of the Program | Guest: Rep. Chip Roy | 12/17/25

Episode Date: December 17, 2025

Glenn speaks about the history and true meaning of Hanukkah. Rep. Chip Roy (R-Texas) joins to discuss his new bill that would drastically change how America handles immigration. What was Susie Wiles thinking when talking with Vanity Fair? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Today's podcast, it's a great, great show. Lots of things that you can really take to the bank here and apply in your own life. Today is the fourth day of Hanukkah, and we haven't talked about Hanukkah at all, but it's the miracle of lights, but I think it's more than that, especially today, the fourth day of Hanukkah. You know, I'm not a rabbi. I don't try to play one, and I don't know what the fourth night actually means, but I'll tell you what it means to me

and what it should mean to all of us coming up on today's show. Also, Chip Roy is on the podcast. Chip is talking about an end to all immigration, a pause in all immigration. I can't believe some of the stuff that's in his bill. Crazy things like, we shouldn't allow terrorists in. If you are a proponent of Sharia law,

you shouldn't be allowed in. I mean, crazy stuff that you can't believe we actually have to say out loud. And why in the world, world would Susie Wiles be dumb enough? Because she's not dumb. She's really smart. Why would she say what she said in the Vanity Fair article? All that and so much more on the podcast. Here it is. Let me tell you about Burn a Launcher. People who don't want to live in fear, they just, you know, they want to know they have some options. And if something goes wrong, you're not helpless. You know, you're not

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It is the fourth night of Hanukkah. At least this is the one where I think it means the most to all of us. I don't care if you're Jewish or Christian or, you know, atheist. Today, the fourth day of Hanukkah sends a really important message. Because the fourth day is not the beginning when the miracle is still an idea. it's not the end when the light is undeniable. It's the middle. When the darkness hasn't surrendered, the light is still being tested.

This is the hardest night. This is the hardest place to stand. History isn't decided at the beginning of a fight, and it's rarely remembered at the end. When history is truly decided is right here, in the middle, when the cost is real and the outcome is, is unclear. Do you know how this is going to end? Because I don't. I have hope, but I don't have as much hope as I did at the beginning. And I'm certainly not going to have as much hope and joy as I will

in the end when the light's still there. Right now, it's unclear. And endurance matters more than enthusiasm. Just endure. Hanukkah is not a children's story. Hanukkah is not a, just a Jewish story. It's not about presence. It's not about sentiment. It's about a small group of exhausted people who refused to surrender their faith, who refuse to surrender their identity or their God to an empire that demanded conformity, not conversion, conformity. Bow a little, blend in, be reasonable, be quiet, sit down. Their temple had been defiled. Their language was erased.

Their calendar was outlawed. faith itself was declared incompatible with progress. And their oil was insufficient. It wouldn't last. By every practical measure, the story should have ended there. They had no army. They had no allies. They had no numbers.

No time. And yet, they lit the lamp anyway. That to me is the center of Hanukkah. not the miracle that followed, but the decision that preceded it. They didn't light the lamp because they knew it would last for eight days. They had no idea. They lit it because they knew who they were.

Can the same be said for us? Do we know who we are? To my Jewish friends, I know you've got to be feeling something painfully familiar, alone and exposed, watching old lies return with, new confidence? Hearing chance that we're supposed to have been buried in the last century, we all thought that had happened. Seeing the masks come off now and realizing how thin they really were,

how fragile civilizations really are. Meanwhile, you're being told you're exaggerating, or it's complicated. Or the outrage, your outrage has to be carefully rationed here. They're asked to explain their own fear to people who have never had to carry that fear. And they look around and they notice something chilling. The loudest voices often on their side. A quarter cheer. A quarter excuse. And too many that just look away.

Realizing that never again, apparently kind of conditional, you know, unless we have some new information about, you know, wait a minute, Hitler might have been a good guy. Christmas brings us the hope.

Not a Christmas. they had to wait 30 plus years to Easter, the resurrection. Christmas is the beginning. It's what he did in the middle for 33 years that got him to the end of the resurrection that changed our lives. Hanukkah doesn't promise safety. It promises meaning. It doesn't say the powerful or suddenly become, are going to become just,

all of a sudden overnight. It doesn't say anywhere. The crowd's going to wake up. It doesn't say, you know, you're faithful. You're going to be spared. You're going to be spared pain and death and everything else. It says this. You light the candle even when you think it feels pointless to do it.

You guard the flame even when the world looks away. You refuse to let desecration have the last word. You don't measure truth by numbers or applause or power, but by faithfulness, you light the lamp because it's who you are. Empires always believe they're permanent, a never ending Roman Empire, a thousand-year Reich. But those, that arrogance always underestimates one thing. And this is why they do everything they can to make sure you don't become this.

They always underestimate a people who remember who they. are. That's why traditions are so important. Here's a promise for them and for us. Darkness has never defeated all at once. It's pushed back. It's pushed back into the corners and the cracks from which it crawled. It's pushed back one deliberate act of light at a time. One candle, then another, then another. Not some garish performative light that we see all the time now. Not fashionable light, but costly, stubborn, defiant light. The Fourth Night of Hanukkah, this is why it's one of my favorites.

It's the middle. You're not really hoping anymore. It's not the beginning. I'm going to light and I'm going to hope because I know it's going to end out that way. People who started, they didn't know it was going to end out that way. that way. By the fourth night, you're committed. You're committed. On this far, there's no going back. You've stopped asking if it will be easy. You've just decided it's going to be done. And that is how a civilization survives. It's committed. It's going to be done. I don't know what comes my way. I don't

know what comes my way. I don't know how hard it's going to be. I don't know the true cost of this. I don't know the ending. But I will stand because I know who I am and it will be done. And I'm not going to pretend the darkness isn't there because it is. But I'm going to light the flame anyway. I will stand there and protect it and dare it to go. out. Happy Hanukkah. Let me tell you about Chase Medical. You don't prepare because you're afraid of life. You prepare because that way you can live it without constant fear.

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Let me go to Chip Roy. Hello, Chip. How are you, sir? How are you? Merry Christmas, brother. Merry Christmas is our Congressman. from the great state of Texas. He is also a candidate for Texas Attorney General. Talk to me about your bill on immigration. Does it have a chance of even pat? Tell me what it is and then I want to know if it has a chance of passing.

Sure. I mean, you know, you opened this segment by talking about our need to focus on not just illegal immigration, but legal immigration. And I strongly believe that that is true. I think for way too long, we have been, getting loose, fast and loose, overly corporate, overly driven by, you know, your kind of chamber commerce crowd. And all of a sudden, we've now got a situation where we have millions of people in our country that are not seeking to assimilate, not seeking to be the, quote, melting pot, but rather trying to kind of reestablish their cultures from other countries here rather than becoming fully American. And that's been a long stream of a decision. and to go back and put it in perspective,

we have 51.5 million foreign-born people here in the United States. The vast majority of whom did not come here illegally, right, but legally. But they've been kind of abusing the process and the system because we've got this broad use of H-1B visas, we've got these things called diversity visas. We have chain migration where you've got everybody's cousin, uncle, aunt, whatever. And they're just growing the population here. And this is now, unlike it was a century,

ago, right? When we had the mass migration, the late 1800s, and the early 1900s, and at that point, we didn't have a welfare state. We had schools that were teaching that America was great and believe in the Constitution, and we had, you know, God in the schools, and we had our culture being elevated, not being criticized. And at that point, we still froze immigration in the 1920s, right? We still flatlined it because everybody said, whoa, whoa, whoa, we've had so many people come in. And I think our country was stronger for it. Today, it's worse. because we've got so many people coming here who are not assimilating. We have schools that are not teaching people that America is great.

And we certainly are continuing to have a welfare state now that is causing a big problem. So I think we should pause it. It's called the Pause Act. We should pause legal immigration until we fix a lot of things. Fix diversity visas. Fix chain migration. Can you tell me what a diversity visa? What is a diversity visa?

I don't even know if I know what that is. Right. So diversity be says chain migration, these are all things that are being used currently to have expansive use of the ability of people to come into the country and say that they're, you know, a family member, right? An extended individual in what we call chain migration. So you'll have a person come in and instead of it being a close-knit family member, right, instead of it being, okay, this is my spouse or this is my child, it's cousins and aunts and uncles and so forth. And this is the kind of thing that we've got to reform, and including H-1B visas,

and including all of the problems we have here with birthright citizenship. Obviously, the Supreme Court is going to hear the Trump administration's executive order on that, but we should codify a new view of how we deal with birth-right citizenship. You should only be a citizen if you're born of citizen-parent, not because you came and were on our dirt.

So these are things. But if you don't fix, or like Plylea v. Doe in Texas, right? We had a Supreme Court opinion in the 1980s that said, we have to educate the children of illegal aliens, illegal alien children. We should challenge that, overturn it, and we should fix it. It's the magnets.

We're going to lose our culture. And I think we need to do that. So that's why I introduced the bill to pause. I just talked to a police officer day before yesterday. I was walking down the street, going into the store for Christmas, and he said, hey, Glenn Beck. and he had this slight accent.

I couldn't tell exactly what it was. And then he said, eventually said, I'm Irish. I came from Ireland. He said, I've been here for 20 years, but my wife and Ireland, Ireland, I said, my gosh, does Ireland even exist anymore? And he said, Glenn, it used to be, he said, I go back every year. He said, it used to be you could go anywhere and you'd have the Irish pub and, you know, you'd see Irishmen everywhere. And yes, there were people from other parts of the world, et cetera, et cetera, but it was Irish. he said, I can go now into my hometowns, small ones.

And he said, I don't see another Irishman. He said, the Irish culture is completely annihilated. He said, it's all mosques and Pakistanis and whatever. And he said, you know, is there ever anyone going to say, hey, wait a minute, the Irish culture, the American culture, the English culture, the whatever culture, that's important too. when is anybody going to step step up and say you know what we we we don't want to lose this by embracing that we can have both but not like this well well glenn and you know and and by the way the thing i left out on the diversity basis i got up and i started talking about chain migration but just so you know right that's a program very specifically designed to bring people in from countries that we don't have significant immigration from.

It's literally designed to, quote, diversify our immigration population. So that's... Who cares? Right, and that's my point. And this is what's so wrong about our immigration system. And it's being done that way. And the SIV program from Afghanistan, all of it's been being abused. And we've had this mass migration.

And again, you are an ardent defender of the First Amendment. So am I. You can believe what you want to believe, right? And we would never want to insert the federal government into your belief system, like between you and God. But what we have to remember about Islam is that it is a politically motivated group of individuals, right? This is when we look at the core and we look at what you look at what the Muslim Brotherhood is talking about, when you look at Sharia law, when you look at the tenets of Islam, then there is a massive political component to it. And we have to remember that. We have to remember and actually read the words, read what's being said, and go look at what's happening in Dallas.

Epic City is not just an accident. What's happening with the growth and the promotion of Sharia law in the United Kingdom, in France, now in America, it's not an accident, okay? And this is well beyond, hey, you can believe what you want to believe. You can be an atheist and agnostic. You can be Christian, Jewish, Hindu, Muslim. Right. We stand for that principle. But when you come here to annihilate and change our culture, then you've got to approach that.

We, we Americans have to approach that in a different way. And I believe we should pause immigration. Doing what the president is doing, remove a whole lot of the people dumped into our country under Biden, you know, illegal immigrants asylum that were abused for all that was abused by Biden and Majorcas. And go around and make sure that we're resetting the table and reset our laws. and we should just pause for a lot and reclaim our American culture to your point about what you just said about Ireland.

You laid out, I saw your press release and you lay out what this bill would do. And I got to read this to the audience because I can't believe you actually have to say this. It would end the practice of automatic citizenship, yeah, and chain migration. Yep, that's not what the 14th Amendment says. That's not what it was about.

That's not what it was written for. Anyway, and the H-1B visa program. Got it. ensure immigrant assimilation. Got it. Now listen to these last three. This is what he's proposing we do. Okay, we're not doing it.

He's proposing we do this. Deny entry to Sharia law adherence. Oh, I don't know. Yes. I can't believe we have to even say that out loud. Deny entry to Chinese Communist Party members. I don't know. Yes.

And the third one, deny entry to terrorists. wrists. This is a civilization that is on a suicidal path. If that can't happen, that's not, it's crazy that that's not already happening. Suicide. Well, the other element to it that we must factor in is the welfare allowed to non-citizens in the form of not just food stamps, Medicaid, all of the social programs of the federal government, but also our local schools and local hospitals to get inundated by people that are coming

into the United States knowing that they'll get free health care, a free education, and they might be able to then use birthright citizenship to get a hook and come here and grow here. And none of this is about the melting pot. And Glenn, that's what I'm trying to make the case here to people. When we had people who came here, who largely shared our values, and when they came here, they wanted their kids to learn English, they wanted their kids to love America, they wanted their kids to understand our history and our founding, they appreciated what this country stood for. By the way, that mass migration occurred right after the Civil War. So our country had literally been at war, and people said, I want to go there, because this country, country stood

for something bigger and better, and people knew it, but they wanted to be a part of it, and they wanted to embrace it. They didn't want to change it. And that's not true now, right? That's definitively not true. When I have colleagues in the United States Congress, like Elon Omar, who are openly and outspokenly, like her home country. We don't reckon, you can't win a war that you don't acknowledge exist, Glenn. And there is a war being waged against our way of life and against our culture. So, look, I'm introducing legislation here, but it's also why I'm running for attorney general, right? And I'm not going to go to a campaign speech here, but we've got to have states that are

standing up and leading this fight as well if we're going to save America. you brought up you know there's a war being waged i every alarm bell in me is going off every alarm bell in me we are we're in a war we won't even recognize it i think the president has but um i think it's going to take a lot more than what we're doing right now um look at what's happening in europe france just canceled their their ball drop you know for you know new year's Steve, they have it at the Ark to Triumph every year. They canceled it and said, just stay at home and watch a rerun of it from another year. That's insanity.

They've just surrendered. How serious are we at preparing for a civilizational war? Well, I think on the positive side, we have an increasing number of people in leadership. who are understanding the threat in a way that they didn't a year ago or five years ago. That being said, we also have a long way to go in a very short time to get there, right? We have got to move quickly. If you see what's happening in Europe, right, and we go, well, they're 20 years ahead of us. I don't think that's true.

I think Europe is a mere, you know, months, years, a few years ahead of us in terms of how bad it's gotten. And I think we're now realizing how much damage we've done over the last decade in particular, certainly the last two decades, in terms of the mass influx of people that do not ultimately share our values. So I do think it's important that we support the president on what he's doing and removing bad actors and making sure that we're removing people that need to be removed or here legally. But if we don't reform our legal immigration system immediately and pause it and freeze it and reset, who we are as Americans and get people to understand that when you're here, you're going to embrace him being an American, then we're not going to save the country, right?

So that's why I wanted to introduce this bill. It's why I'm going to introduce more. It's why I introduced several legislation to vet people for Sharia law. It's why introduce this bill to take away the tax status for care. Like, we've got to get people to realize that we need immediate change that we can't wait. Right now, Congress, all due respect, is not codifying or advancing the ball on. this front yet the president is doing it unilaterally and i think that's a problem can the house actually get it done are we going to pass it is that have a chance of ever get into the president's

desk right now we are uh socializing it and there's a growing number of people who support the concept and you see it not on social media but we've got to get it socialized between the white house and the leadership in the house to get it to the point of trying to force a vote there's going to be a lot lot of resistance. There's a lot of people that are going to be listening to business interests, a lot of people who are going to say, well, I've got a group of a certain culture in my particular district and so forth. And we've got to rise above that and recognize if we don't do this, then we have no chance to save the country because of another 55,000 people come in on diversity visas this year and another 55,000 come in next year, and then another 55,000 the following year,

all from these supposed, you know, low immigration countries for purposes of diversity, in addition to the chain migration, in addition to H-1V visas, like do the math, see what's happening, and then how many kids are having. And we've got to freeze that and reset what we want to do for our country. All right. It's called the Paws Act. Get online, support Chip Roy and the Paws Act. ask your congressman, your senators to join with Chip on the Paws Act.

Again, you follow him on X at Chip Roy TX. He is also running for a candidate for attorney general. What is your website, Chip? Chiproy.com. It's pretty simple, pretty straightforward. I appreciate it. And look, you know, this Christmas season, just for everybody out there, Merry Christmas.

We live in the greatest country in the history of the world. We've got to keep our heads up and put our... faith in Jesus and and and remember that it's upon us to pass this down to our kids and grandkids. Thank you so much, Chip Roy. You're listening to the best of Glenn Beck. Need a little more? Check out the full show podcast.

Anywhere you download podcasts. Welcome to the program. Yesterday, Donald Trump put out on true social. I'll be giving an address to the nation Wednesday live from the White House 9 p.m. Eastern. I look forward to seeing you then. It's been a great year for the country, and the best is yet to come. Now, there's speculation on what he's going to talk about.

I think he's going to do just that. He's going to say, this is what we've accomplished in the first year, and this is what is coming. And if he is just doing the accomplishments, they're remarkable. They really are remarkable. No president has ever done what this president has done this fast.

I mean, he makes Barack Obama look like he was standing still, and that's saying something. It's just been overwhelming. And it'll be nice to have that record, but I don't think that's what, you know, I think people want more. Sorry, Mr. President. They want more.

They want more and they want it faster. And they want it to affect their lives, their lives. So I'm hoping that he is going to make some comment on the economy that is not like, hey, you know, really, it's better. you just don't know it yet. We had that with Biden.

It didn't work there. It's not going to work with you. I know there are some things that are advancing, but people are still struggling, and it's, you know, it's not going to work. So I hope that is not part of it. You know, I was reading about Nick Reiner, Rob Reiner's son.

Did you know that he was at with his dad, Conan O'Brien's party? Conan O'Brien had a big holiday party and Rob brought his son and it was kind of like, well, okay, and he just said, look, I'm just worried about my son. I just want to keep him close. You know, his son has had deep problems.

Gosh, when you see the look in his son's eye in these interviews that they did together when they were working together, he does not look stable. He does not look like a guy that you're like, oh, yeah, no, I feel comfortable around him. Is it just me? Because I see that.

I'm like, mm-mm. And you feel bad for, you know, mom and dad, Reiner, who they love their son. They just don't know what to do. How many of us are in this, not in that situation, thank God. But how many of us has been in this situation where you're really worried about your kid, but you just don't know what to do? And you're just hoping for the best.

You do your best, hoping they do their best, and it's all going to work out. And sometimes, unfortunately, like, this one, it didn't. And they, he went to the holiday party and then apparently they have him on tape, you know, in the neighborhood, just kind of pacing back and forth and then going into the house and stabbing mom and dad, then going back to a motel, and they caught him in the motel, and apparently it's just drenched in blood. So it's clear he did it. It's clear he did it. It does seem that way. I will say, you know, when you, maybe it's because when you become a parent, you start to recognize that.

Like, my kids are really good so far. That's awesome. Who knows what they turn? I always tell us to my wife, like, yeah, they're great right now. Like, who knows what they turn into? You don't know. You don't have control over that. You don't.

You really don't. I know, I tend to have a lot more sympathy as the years go on for parents in these situations. I think early on in my life, it was a lot of like, oh, gosh, well, where are the parents? You know, how come they're not doing this? And you realize you can do a lot of things. and you can try to build a great foundation for your kids. And you can control as much as you can control and put as much good things into them as possible,

but you can't control the outcome of it. You just can't. And if you're in that situation, have sympathy for yourself because you can't control it. They're individuals, they're human beings, and if they decide to be idiots or horrible people or great people, like there's only so much of that you can control. You know, and at first, you haven't really hit this yet,

but when you get into the teenage years with the kids, Oh my gosh. And girls are worse than boys, but it is so difficult. It is so difficult because they're saying things that just tear you apart, just tear you apart. And they're going through things that you just, oh, it's just not this hard. It's not this hard. But at their age, it is that hard. And, you know, I was talking to a friend and he said, isn't God great?

And my response was, shut up. Did you hear anything I said about what I'm going through right now? And I said, what, what? And he said, your kids will never leave you. They would never leave you unless God put that instinct in them. At the appropriate age, it's like a switch that goes on. And it's like everything mom and dad said is wrong. I don't need to be around them.

I don't want to be around them. you know, they're just, they're smothering me with everything. I want to go a different direction. He said, it's a switch that goes on and then it turns off again. And they come back and they love you. He said, it's just this most amazing God trait that pushes the youth out of the house. And I thought, God is good. Otherwise, they'd be living with me forever.

That's what, that's an interesting way of looking. at it. I think it's true. It's the right way to look at it. We've noticed this lately. We were discussing this pretty recently that we've noticed that God doesn't seem to run any of his plans by us in advance. Oh, that pisses me on. He doesn't text us. I don't need it. Look, look, I don't need you, God. I don't need you to run them by for approval. I just like you to run them by so I know exactly what you're doing. You know, can you just give me the heads up? Look, I'm going to make the, I'm going to set this place on fire over here. I'm going to let these people just start fires all over this part.

But don't worry, I got it. I'm going to do this in the end. Just run that by me. Just run that by me. It make life so much easier. Yeah, let's like, you know, give us a little bit of the screenplay before the movie comes out. You know what I mean?

Like, we should at least be aware. A little, a little trailer that has a little bit of like, oh, looks like it might have a decent ending. Yeah, that's all we're looking for. They don't all die in space. That's all I'm looking for. That's it. Speaking of space, if you see.

seen the new trailer for, uh, uh, disclosure? No. Steven Spielberg, all kinds of conspiracy. What isn't a conspiracy right now? I could say chicken prices. And people go, you know, that's a conspiracy. You know what chicken prices are. No, I, I didn't.

Shock absorbers. You know, I shock absorbers. You know, shock absorbers were designed first for use by the CIA. No, I didn't know. Stop. Everything is a conspiracy. see. But this is an interesting one. Stephen Spielberg was retired, not going to make any movie. He comes out of retirement to make this movie about aliens. And aliens, its first contact.

And why would he do that? Why would he come out of retirement to do that movie about aliens? They are preparing us. They know. They know it's coming. And they needed Steven Spielberg to prepare our minds so we will accept aliens. And normally I would say, get a nap in today, please. But with as weird as everything has been, I'm not ruling anything out. The only thing I'm ruling out is that God's going to run his plans by me or you.

That one I can rule out. Aliens showing up? No, I can't rule that out. Can you? I mean, so with this, theory is that Stephen Spielberg is prepping us essentially. Yeah, no, forget that part of the theory. The part that I say is, I mean, I ask Steve Dease, come to the show with some predictions, this last week's TV show. Come on a show. You know what one of his predictions was? In the next year,

you will see a leader of a major country say that they have had an encounter with aliens. and it will be the beginning of this slow reveal that aliens are either coming or whatever. And I'm like, wait, what, what? What? I mean, that is so far on the edge. And yet, everything is a, this is a problem. Everything is a sci-op right now. Absolutely everything you see.

Everything you see on lines feels like a sci-op. Let me give you this. Susie Wiles, she's not this stupid. she's not this stupid she wait what so Susie Wiles goes out and gives it to vanity fair

and she's like you know what another thing Trump's like an alcoholic what and then Donald Trump who would normally go what goes ah

you know I kind of am like an alcoholic what that was quite an interesting quite an interesting series of developments over the past 24 hours in that world. Now, the alcoholic thing, I think, in context was not all that bad. I think you can see what she was going for. He's kind of said that before about himself. Like, so that one, but like she did kind of trash a bunch of different people in the administration.

In a 11-day, 11 separate interviews with Vanity Fair, 11 over a year, they gave mass. access to the cabinet. Was this a book that was supposed to be held until 28? That's interesting to say that. That was the only thing I could come up with because if you don't, if you didn't follow the story, we should reset this because it kind of happened over the past 24 hours. Vanity Fair has this, has a reporter who famously does pieces, in-depth pieces on chief of staff in the White House, has done this for several other presidents in the past. And so, you know, this big respected thing. And it's possible, you know, maybe she was like just looking to, you know,

to get some amazing, you know, historical profile of herself as one of the sane people in the White House. That's what the left seems to be speculating on. Who knows? But the, I couldn't see, just because of the way Trump is with, he doesn't like leaks. He doesn't like people trashing his own people. he usually would get very angry at someone making such a stupid mistake in effort to give this material to a hard left outlet. It doesn't make any sense. So the one thing, one theory I thought might have had some validity was that this was proposed to her or presented to her as if it was a book that would come out after the term was over.

Now, all these people, and this doesn't make any sense to me because I don't care about your book. that comes out after? I'm still not talking to you. But everybody inside of the D.C. Beltway does this. They all go to these authors and they all spill the beans for these books that come out in the aftermath. I don't know why. It's like a tradition in Washington. So maybe

with the idea that this would come out after everything was over and then instead it wanted being converted into some big Vanity Fair profile. I don't know. It doesn't really make much sense, but that's the only theory that I can even think of that makes any sense. Does none of it, otherwise none of it makes sense. Maybe Stephen's

Spielberg and aliens are involved. I don't know. That could be it. That's the more likely scenario. I wouldn't rule it out. I'm just saying. Na, nah,

no.