The Glenn Beck Program - Best of the Program | Guest: Robby Starbuck | 11/10/25

Episode Date: November 10, 2025

Glenn breaks down our current economic situation, what a K-shaped economy is, and how it impacts the everyday consumer. Glenn breaks down Blaze News’ investigation that reveals a former Capitol Police officer is a forensic match for the Jan. 6 pipe pipe-bomb suspect, according to intelligence sources. Glenn asks the questions that need answers regarding the FBI's investigation into the January 6 pipe bomber. Filmmaker Robby Starbuck, who is currently suing Google for defamation, joins to warn that if AI is left unchecked, it will be used to shape narratives, influence opinions, and potentially swing elections.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Well, we have a powerful, powerful show for you today. Robbie Starbuck joins us. He has been maligned and lied about by Google AI now for years. And it just stopped last week. And when you hear this case, it will blow you away. How this guy is not my richest friend, I don't know. But we talked to Robbie about his case against Google. Also, socialism.

What is really happening in our country? Socialism is starting to make sense for a lot of people. So what does it all mean? I'll give you some perspective on that. And the pipe bomber from January 6th. Do we have an identity of that pipe bomber? And what does that mean? Really important story, all on today's edited podcast.

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the Blenbeck program. January 6th. Actually, January 5th, the night before. Picture Washington as, you know, most Americans never see it. Cold, quiet, a city held together by marble and memory, and the fading belief that people inside all of those buildings still serve the people outside of all of those buildings. It's January 5th, 2021, lone figure in a gray hoodie, slips through an alley near C Street. No face, no words, just movement, a walk.

A very distinctive stride, a slight limp, in the shadow of that walk, someone places what appears to be a pipe bomb next to the Capitol Hill Club. Minutes earlier, another device had been planted behind the Democratic National Committee. These two devices would become the invisible thread running throughout what would happen the very next day. Those two devices would pull police away from their post at the Capitol, drain resources, and fog the timeline, just as Congress gathered to certify the vote and the crowd surged towards the Capitol. Also, something else happened. The vice president, or the incoming vice president, Kamala Harris, would be called away from the Capitol, unbeknownst to anyone now. Why? She would call away from

the Capitol, and she was put into the building right where the pipe bomb was sitting right in front. Now, for five years, this mystery sat there, like a locked room. Nobody seemed able to open it, or maybe they weren't willing to open it. The FBI had said they conducted all logical investigative steps. They offered nearly half a million dollars in reward money, and yet somehow nothing, nothing, not a suspect, not a motive, not even clarity about the most basic facts, such as who found the problem? bombs. Why was the response team to the bombs so casual? Then something unexpected happened. Blaze News began to quietly gather some pieces, video fragments, security footage, non-public recordings, testimony from former FBI agents, interviews with intelligence contacts,

and then one of the strangest clues, a walk, a gate. Because in the shadows of these tapes, the unknown bomber had left behind the one thing a hoodie and a mask could not hide, the way their body moved. So, Blaze News arranged for a forensic gate analysis. This isn't guesswork. This is a scientific algorithm that compares the knee flexing, the hip extension, the step length, the cadence, and variance. It's like a digital footprint of how a person moves through space.

well the software returned a 94% match between the Bombers Walk and that of the walk of a former Capitol Police officer who I'm not going to name here. And I'll tell you why I'm not going to name her here. When the analysts that were human, they looked at it, they put the match closer to 98%. Now, let me stop here and tell you why I'm not telling you the name of this person, because a match is not guilt. comparison is not proof this person of interest is still a citizen whose life carries the same dignity

and presumption of innocent as yours and mine and I can't tell you what is true in this story yet okay I can tell you that it is whispering something and it sounds a little like a scream

and we owe it to the Republic to listen to it because this person is not an unknown drifter okay let me just let me just give you some of the things that make you go,

hmm, that doesn't sound right. This individual served as a capital police officer from 2018 to 2021. Right after, shortly thereafter, January 6th, she went to work as a security detail at the CIA. Wow, how did that happen? She's also a member of the civil disturbance. unit. She was one of them that trained officers on so-called less lethal weapons. Now, we told you in another story last week that these officers were using these less lethal

weapons in ways that they are marked on the weapons. Do not fire at heads, faces, yada, yada, yada. Okay? Well, the Blaze News investigation uncovered a video showing this individual using those weapons aggressively on the crowd on January 6th in ways that apparently they say don't do it. And she is somebody who is training people. Now, none of that is conclusive. But pieces start to align in ways that demand scrutiny. Former FBI special agent Kyle Serafin recognized something else when he was presented with this evidence.

He realized that he had been ordered days after January 6th to conduct surveillance on one door away from the address now tied to this individual. What they did was, remember, they didn't have any, I love this, all the surveillance video corrupted. All the cell phone GPS tracking for this pipe bomb thing. It was all corrupted. All of the license plate tracking in the city for the pipe bomb thing. Yeah, it was unfortunately, it was, it was,

corrupted. All of the, all of the video camera, everything, all corrupted. But somehow or another, they followed what they thought might be the pipe bomber to an address in Virginia. And they tracked them through the metro, the subway system, to Virginia and to a house that was next door to this individual with the gate. Okay. He thought he had, this was the epicenter. of the entire case. And then without any explanation, he and his team were pulled off the assignment and he was told, quote,

we're on it. Nothing to see here. Now, okay, what happened, though? Now, you can't accept any of this as, you know, damning evidence that is going to put somebody in jail, okay? But it also can't be dismissed because it's uncomfortable.

Then there's the timeline of the bombs themselves. Investigators believe that the DNC device was retrieved and then replaced hours before it was found. So somebody put it there and then picked it back up and put it there hours before again. Security footage also shows Secret Service agents calmly eating lunch in their vehicle for two minutes after somebody came to the car and said there's a bomb right there underneath that park bench. The trains kept running. Pedestrians walked by. School children walked by it. Traffic rolled past the bomb. If it was a live bomb, that doesn't make any sense.

If it was a dud or a decoy, somebody knew. Or these police officers just completely incompetent. There's more. FBI video appears to have been released with an artificially reduced frame rate. Why? This makes gate analysis nearly impossible. So, Steve Baker from Blaze News, he acquired a clearer version from another source.

The clearer footage produced the 94 to 98% gate match. Now, this brings us to a place where we're at a crossroads here, gang. And it's not a partisan one. It's not a tribal one. This is a constitutional death or life of the Republic. question. Because if these findings hold true, even partially, then the story of January 6 does not merely change. It shifts dramatically. The narrative that has been cemented for years looks like it's not true. And the American people have to confront the possibility that someone with a badge,

a paycheck and a government clearance may have played a role. That's I want you to be very, very clear on what I'm saying there. May have played a role in the most politically explosive event in our generation.

Now, this cannot be sensationalized. You know, truth really never needs an accelerant. I don't know if you've ever noticed that. So here's what has to be done. Prove it or disprove it. No politics, no spin, no cable news war paint. Just the truth. Because trust in our institutions is hanging by a fraying thread.

And a republic can't function when its people suspect that those sworn to protect them may be shielding something or someone else. If an innocent person is being dragged through the mud, clear their name entirely, publicly. You know, I just read in a story just a minute ago, this person's residence in Alexandria, Virginia, appears to be under the watch of law enforcement officers on Friday night. Blaze News editor-in-chief Chris Bedford was pulled over by local police after stopping to observe the home. He was then allowed to leave. The FBI, which failed to solve the case, nearly five years in investigation, but indicated that it was closing in after Blaze News brought its investigation to intelligence sources, was feet from the Falls Church address of the pipe bomb suspect days after January 6.

So we have to be really careful. Nothing can happen to this individual. Justice has to be done. Justice has to be done. And if this person is involved, this person is at the very bottom of the ladder. I mean, it was not that person's idea. Okay. The last thing that can happen is for this person to be hurt in any way, shape, or form.

This person should be protected 24-7. And quite honestly, not by the FBI or something. CIA. If the evidence points to this person going in, then there's some questions that we have to ask, and I'm going to give those to you here in a second. But she didn't act alone if there had to be co-conspirators inside or outside of the government, and every single last one of them needs to be located. This can't end with half disclosures or vague statements about an ongoing investigation so we

can't. You've had five years of that. the republic deserves full light, people deserve full truth, and justice deserves fairness that cuts in all directions. If the blaze investigation is correct, the implications of this are absolutely enormous. This is the biggest story in my lifetime, maybe of the last 150 years. And if it's incorrect, then transparency needs to reveal that. But silence, no. Evasion, no. A shrug from those in power? No.

Because what that will do is confirm the deepest fears of a country already struggling to believe. And it will only create more conspiracy theories. This nation does not need vengeance. It doesn't need anybody riding off into the sunset with a posse. It needs clarity. It needs truth. wherever it may lead because that's the only thing that will steady a republic

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Now, back to the podcast. This is the best of the Glenn Beck program, and we really want to thank you for listening. Well, hello, Stu. How are you? Glenn relieved, as you just pointed out. Thank God. We are, we're out of this shutdown potentially. That's the thing. Yeah. Are we? Are we? Are we? Really? Are we? Yeah. The Democrats stepped up or folded, depending on who you're talking to and solve this for us.

Yeah. Thank you for that. I appreciate that. It is, it's so clear now that all they did was they held this for the election to try to win the election. and now they're ready to fold. And we are seeing people with real, real problems all around the country. Socialism is becoming popular because quite honestly, the right is not answering the question. What do we do from here? We're in what's called a K-shaped economy right now. And that's what happens after a crisis when different groups had to do. different opposite directions and locations. If you think about a K, you think the upper line goes up

and the lower line. That's the up are the people with assets and homes and stable jobs and they'll do well. But the lower line goes down. And that's the people living paycheck to paycheck, the renters, the small businesses, the wage earners that all fall behind. And right now you're seeing on television, you're seeing, oh my gosh, look at the stock market is up. All of these things are going up. Well, that's great. Some rise, some sink, but the gap is widening here. The K at the very beginning where the two lines meet is very, very close to each other. But as they keep going, those lines become further and further apart. And there is a moment in, you know, there's a moment. How can I explain this? Remember the old cut

tree fairs. You probably never went to one, but maybe you saw it on on TV where, you know, there's a strong man contest. And there's that, that thing where, you know, you hit the, you hit the thing with a hammer and the bell goes up and goes, bang. That's what's happening right now. There's a strong man contest going on right now. And everybody leans in to see, oh, is this guy going to be able to ring the bell? And he, you know, takes the big hammer and he swings it, and the puck goes up and it rings the bell. Some swing just as hard. And the puck barely budges, okay? Same hammer, same pole, different outcomes. That's a K-shaped economy. And we live in a moment where the puck is going up for those who already own a house and or have

investments or, you know, run businesses that survive the storm. And, you know, they swing the hammer and the bell goes up and rings the bell. But the family down the street, the young couple that's trying to buy their first house, the small shop owner who never reopened, they're swinging just as hard. They just, the puck is just barely going up at all. And the system says, try again, step right up, try again, and then hands a smaller hammer. A K-shaped economy is not philosophy. It's not a political slogan. It's what happens when a government prints money like confetti and then watches inflation climb a ladder that is missing rungs and then tells you, don't worry, the economy is booming.

I'm sorry, but the economy is not booming for a lot of Americans. And there are big changes being made right now at the global level. And I like the changes that are being made at the global level. But we are forgetting there are too many people that are really hurting right now. You know, we are going to continue to work and continue to spin our wheels on socialism until there is a new idea on how we're going to get out of this problem. and Donald Trump is working on a long-term solution, but I fear that's not going to be enough. I heard a crazy idea today about a 50-year mortgage.

Oh, wow. So the average person is in their house for 12 years, and I got a 30-year mortgage, which means I'm not really putting very much into it because the bank is taking all of the interest rates for the first, you know, 10 years at least. They're taking all the interest first. and then I don't really start paying my house off until the last 15 years of that mortgage.

But now, instead of a 30 year, you want me to do it for 50 years? Oh. Oh. Okay. Well, what is that going to do? Well, first of all, it's going to raise the price of the house. I mean, you know, if everybody starts to get able to, well, I get a 50-year mortgage, so I can afford a house. We have a shortage of housing, so the mortgage is the house payments.

Sorry, the house prices are going to go up because we have a lack of housing. And then on top of it, you're going to double the payment anyway because you're paying all that extra interest. I mean, you're just charging more and stretching it out. It's like solving hunger by not giving food, but just giving longer straws to people. Okay, wait, what? You're going to pay double for the same house. it means double the interest rates. And while your roof has to be repaired,

the brand new wiring that you had when you bought the house, all needs to be redone. The appliances have to be replaced. The bathroom is completely out of date. It all has to be replaced again. You're still paying on that house. It is like buying not one house, but two houses. And it's not freedom.

It is trapping you. And, you know, what really bothers me is it is homeownership. No, I'm sorry, it's renting disguised as homeownership. That's what that is. You're not going to build equity into a house like that. You won't own your home until you're in your 80s. And if you bought it later in life, your children are going to inherit the payments that you have. It masks the problem that we really have is home prices because we don't have enough

homes. We also have these giant corporations that are buying up homes en masse and then renting them to us. And we also have prices for the home that is broken from the wage. A 50-year mortgage is like giving somebody a longer plank, you know, on a sinking ship. No, I mean, I'm going to end up in the water anyway. I guess that's helpful in a strange sort of way. what we don't understand is these are the conditions in which socialism thrives. If we keep just trying to say socialism is wrong, we're not going to help anyone. There's two things that have to happen. We, A, have to come up with new solutions for these very old problems,

and the new solutions cannot involve printing more money, bailing the banks out, giving the banks more interest or anything like that. Because socialism is coming with a vengeance. And boy, I got to tell you, it is going to have all kinds of answers because it always does. In January, I'm going to start something new called The Torch, and it exists really for one reason. We're running out of time to relearn what our grandparents knew by heart. The lies that we face today are not new. their old ghosts wearing just modern clothes.

And starting January, I'm dedicating the next part of my life, the last part of my career, to education on history and usable things, going deep. You know, the thing about broadcast is you go very wide and very shallow. I need to go narrow and deep at times. We're still going to be doing what I do here every day, which is bringing you all the news and trying to make sense of it. But I need to go deep on things.

And socialism is one of them. So we are working right now on new programs, a new podcast, a new daily rhythm of learning that I've never done before. And some of these shows are just going to be you and me every single day, just walking through history with a flashlight in one hand and the truth and the other trying to figure out what's going on. But one of the lessons that I think we need in this is a series on socialism on why it never works. how it happens and how the lies always begin exactly the same. This is the kind of work that the torch is being built for. So let me just give you a highlight of one lesson on how whenever a society gets into this situation, history will show us a poisoned promise begins.

You're listening to the best of Glenn Beck. Need a little more? Check out the full show podcasts anywhere you download podcasts. Robbie Starbuck is an interesting guy. He once directed Oscar-winning actors, some of the biggest music stars in the world. He started seeing the threat of Marxism to America. His family had fled Cuba, and so he knew what he's seen. He's seen this movie before.

So he started standing up in 2015. He endorsed Trump. Hollywood didn't like that. He's gone on to, he is a major. force in getting transgender surgery and hormones for children in Tennessee banned. He helped pass the law to put the death penalty on the table for child rapists in Tennessee. He also did a documentary The War on Children, which I think has seen at 60 million views after Elon Musk said, you really need to watch this.

And then he had a problem with Google AI. Google AI started coming after him and said all kinds of really. horrible and specific things that he had been, you know, charged with sexual assault and child rape and abuse and fraud and stalking and all kinds of stuff from Google AI. He finds out about it, and he engages with Google AI, and it just keeps doubling down. He's now in a lawsuit, and we wanted to have him on because I saw something last week that shows that Google AI apparently is still using me as a source on some of these allegations. Nope, that wouldn't be me.

Robbie, welcome to the program. Thanks for having me, Glenn. Yeah, you were one of the sources cited, and so this is one of the crazy parts of what has happened. Google AI has been inventing these lies about me that have no basis in reality. I've literally never been accused of or charged with any crime ever, let alone this crazy stuff. But during this time period, there AI transitions from Bard to Gemini and Gemma, right? Gemini and Gemma started doing something very different than even Bard did, and it was, it started inventing actual articles and references to videos, links, fake links, to real media personalities and media outlets.

And it would even make headlines or give summaries of what these people said. So in your case, it said that you had reported on sexual assault allegations against me by women. And these are not just saying a sexual assault accusation. It has names of victims. It has fake police records it invents, fake court records it invents, beyond these fake articles from real media. So it goes so detailed into this. It will list out evidence that doesn't exist.

Investigations by police departments that don't exist. And it just doubles down when you press on it. And this comes, you know, some people might be saying, well, what are you saying to the AI to get this out, right? We've posted examples where people have posted or asked questions. as simple as tell me about Robbie Starbuck, and it immediately dives into saying that I am accused of sexual assault. And so you go and you say, hey, where's the citation for this? Give me sources. Give me only facts.

It will double and triple down. And if you say, hey, those links you gave me do not work. It has even gone so far as to invent and fake an entire media article under a real journalist's name to pretend that it was printed and somehow, for some reason, has been taken down from the media outlet's website. Crazy. Crazy. Can we, Stu, we just ask

Gemini, tell me about the sexual assault allegations of Robbie Starbuck, and here's what it just said. Well, and I asked it specifically, what did Glenn Beck say about those sexual abuse allegations? It said it was unable to find any specific

statements by Glenn Beck to addressing these allegations. And I asked what the abuse allegations were. Gemini now says that it was fabricated and was disseminated by Google's AI platforms. And I said, well, wait a minute, Google AI platforms were the problem. Isn't that you? And it said, that is an excellent and relevant question. You were correct to notice that a connection. So apparently it's been corrected at this part. You're a smart guy. No, so here's where Google ends up in a really, really precarious position in this lawsuit.

So they have corrected their phone app, right, and the main website for Gemini. However, they've got a major problem. So their AI Gemma has been downloaded 150 million times, and they're not all connected to the Internet. Google cannot force updates to those AI downloads. So Gemma will essentially seemingly defame me for life as a byproduct of that. And then Gemini as well, same issue. They released wild models of Gemini into the public sphere. So if you go on one of those AI websites, like there's LLM Arena, where you test different AIs against each other,

and you ask those versions that are wild downloads of it, you're going to get a bunch of this crazy stuff. You go, you know, on any application that was built with these as a bedrock that allows you to ask questions about somebody, you're going to get the same stuff. So I want you to think, you know, sort of down the line here, right? If somebody built an app with reputation scoring for insurance risk and they built it using, let's say, Gemma, and it's feeding information about specific people, you know, you very quickly start to understand

there's many different situations where this can affect somebody's life in a million different ways. And, you know, the real problem here is we don't have a standard as a first principle with AI that it can't harm humans. And that's really the thing that we have to fix. Because if it can do this to me, it can do this to anybody. It can do it to your sons, to your daughters, and it can ruin their lives. Because AI is dominating in many different industries, and it will dominate.

It's here. So what we have to ask ourselves is, are we protecting our kids and grandchildren from the downstream effects of AI that believes it is okay to harm humans, whether that be by defamation or physical harm? And it's very easy to imagine a future after seeing what happened to me where, you know, guy with the wrong politics is lied about by the dominant AI and makes him unemployable because whenever somebody researches him, the AI is feeding out a background check that says he's an accused rapist and supported the KKK and so on and so forth. That's another one of the lies that told about me. Which would be strange as a Latino. I kind of felt like Dave Chappelle

in that skit where he's Clayton Biggsby. You know, he's like the black KKK member. I was like, well, that would be strange for me as a Latino. But it sticks to this and it genuinely believes this stuff. And that's what's really scary is it's creating this base of knowledge that I refer to as the roots of the tree, right? And this tree is growing right now and it's going to be a big part of our world. And we're either going to allow that tree to have poisonous roots that makes everything it bears poisonous, or we're going to say, hey, no, we've got to build this very carefully so that it does not do this to humanity. So my, I think the most important question I could ask you is How are you not my richest friend at this point?

How do you not own Google at this point? What they've done to you? How is this not just really simple? So you're friends with Elon Musk too, right? So I think you'll always be our richest friend. Well, you know, aside from that, you know, I will say this. you know, our lawsuit, even people who don't like me, they read it and they're like, damn, you guys got them. I mean, this is, it's very clear what they did is wrong. There's no skating

out of this. And that's even with the public figure, you know, sort of a threshold, because for those who don't know, there's a different standard for how public figures are treated in defamation cases versus somebody else, you have to prove actual malice or gross negligence. In our case, we notified Google for two years that this was happening and asked them to stop it. They did not stop it until at least with the app and the website very, very recently over this last week. Everything else. Over the last, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, over the last week?

Yeah. Even after we filed the lawsuit, it was still happening on their main platforms. So this is something that like we had to go out there and I had to make this go viral for them to pay any attention to fixing it finally. But for two years, they were not engaged by just me notifying their issue. executives and Google employees talking directly to me. Even you'll see in the lawsuit, one of the Google employees that was working with us two years ago on trying to get this fix, she resigned.

Okay? And, you know, apologize for not being able to get this fixed. But then, you know, I bring in Dillon law firm, and they sent multiple cease and desist letters to Google. And Google essentially just couldn't be troubled to fix the problem, which makes you wonder, what was the real intention of this? Was this a dry run at destroying a reputation so you can use it in elections? Because, Glenn, you know as well.

as I do, the swing seats in our country determine power in the country, which party controls it. So I want you to imagine, in a generation now where so many people, more than ever, are just relying on an AI or the internet to say, hey, what's the difference between these candidates or who should I vote for? And imagine it spits out that the Republican candidate in every swing seat is an alleged criminal. And every Democrat has a fluffed up resume where the horrible things they've done if you ask about it, it'll say, oh, no, that's a lie. That's not true. Those are Republican talking points. It's the grand Republican conspiracy.

Very easy to see where AI flips elections and decides control of our country. I can't. I mean, honestly, Robbie, I thought this had been solved, you know, months ago, months ago. I didn't know that up until last week this was still going. I mean, they don't have, they don't have a leg to stand on. Your attorneys must be like, I'm never going to work again. That's right. Well, the wild downloads will seemingly do this forever. In our estimation and the AI experts we've talked to, there's no way that we've found for Google to be able to force an update to these things. I mean, I'm open to hearing differently, but we've talked to some of the biggest experts in the country, and they're like, no, there's no way. A bunch of these models aren't even connected to the Internet. And they're used to build a lot of the bedrocks of things people use, including medical devices, law enforcement, and all types of things. So there's a million problems. But in terms of damages, you know, like if we go all the way to trial, a jury seemingly doesn't have a limit as to what they can assign as punitive damages,

because you've got to remember, Google is the fourth largest company in the world. So if you want a company like that to learn a lesson, the only way to do it is to slap them with damages that they never want to happen again, right? So our hope is that they're going to be held accountable and that we're going to change the rules and set the precedent here so that there is a first principle with AI, that it can do no harm against humans. And if there is some massive damage at the end of this that is assigned to me and I'm paid out by, I plan to use that, you know, in good stewardship, right, to help humanity to be able to navigate these waters

and ensure that we have AI that's fair and unbiased. And remember, your good friend that never said anything bad about you on the air, ever, not once. That's true. That's true. You'll get a very nice question. Wow. Where is this going to be? where is a trial going to be? Please don't say California.

No, not California, Delaware, but we just got our judge assigned and, you know, I really feel like this is one of those cases where no matter where you are, you know, there's the appeals process and things like that. And at the end of the day, in the highest courts, when you look at this case, I mean, I don't see how any judge, even one that really dislikes me looked at it and finds a way to get rid of it. And that's, I mean, what they did is so egregious. It, it has to, it has to be answered for in some way. And especially since it will never, ever go away. They've got to find a way to purge that stuff.

They have to. I mean, you know, maybe they made that mistake this time, but that can't be made a second time. I mean, that destroys people forever, forever and ever and ever and ever. Yeah. That's a big part of our goal is making sure this doesn't happen to anybody else. Well, I'm glad it's finally stopped and to some extent and we'll be following. Thanks so much, Robbie.

Appreciate it. Thank you, Glenn. I appreciate it.