The Glenn Beck Program - Best of The Program | Guest: Stephen Stamboulieh | 1/23/23

Episode Date: January 23, 2023

Glenn opens up about his family’s struggle with mental health. Why aren’t more people talking about this crisis? The ATF is cracking down on stabilizing pistol braces with a new rule that could turn law-abiding Americans into felons. Gun Owners of America attorney Stephen Stamboulieh joins to explain what this rule means for you. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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1995 three week quick start relief factor dot com feel the difference you're listening to the best of the blenbeck program well welcome back oh thank you thank you thank you thank you um i just let me just address this real quick. I am going through something that I don't think is very different than every other parent in the country. We, my family, I've chosen to look at it as our family is currently being purified. There are some things that are going on and they just have to be solved and we'll all be stronger for it when we get to the other side. It's getting to the other side that is such an issue. And it, some of it has to do with mental health. And, you know, on Tuesday, I was on the air and we were talking about things that are going on in your household that maybe

you know or don't know. And I was at a complete loss of words. And Stu jokingly, just to cover the awkward space, said, I've never seen you at a loss for words. And that is because I was about just to spill everything. Because I have had this ability given to me when I am humble, when I am doing my job the right way, and when I am actually trying to serve you, I can feel you. I can feel when things connect with you. I can feel, I can feel you.

I don't know how to describe it, but I've had that ability for a long time. And as I'm talking about this, I could feel an overwhelming sense of how many people are going through similar things that we're going through. Except you're working 70 hours a week. You and your wife or you and your husband both have fun. full-time jobs and you're dealing with them in school, the kids in school and trying to keep that straight. You're trying to keep food on the table. And you don't have the time or the resources that I have and I'm overwhelmed. And I don't know what to do. And I understand this world, probably better than others, as far as the mental health thing. And I'm at a complete loss.

So, first of all, you're not alone if you're going through things. You are not alone. And I am going to double my effort to try to find answers. You know, suicide is off the charts, off the charts with our children. It's doubled. What is it? 37% with male African-American, something like that, some crazy stat. and no one is talking about it.

And it has to do with our entire society. I don't know about you, but you know, when I was a kid, we used to walk to school and all of that bull crap, you can look at the past and say, it wasn't that great, it had problems. Yeah, but at least there was truth. at least at least we had people in the community

that felt like we did and we kind of helped each other out we weren't trying to suck our kids into some sort of pedophilia ring or get them to change genders or whatever it is society was basically stable and we agreed generally on right and wrong

We don't anymore. And so our kids go out and you may be the only voices of sanity that they hear all day. And I wouldn't want to be a kid. Would you want to be a kid today going through? Can you imagine? You imagine. Just think of yourself as a girl for a second. And, hey, there's nothing wrong with that, gentlemen.

Think of yourself as a teenage girl. You know the stress of how they look. they wear, all that bull crap. Can you imagine you're on tape every day or you're being recorded every day? So you just want to go to school one day and just look like crap or you just want to go to school and just you have a bad day and you say something, do something. It's now there forever. And you can never ever let it go because it's there.

Just imagine that pressure. And then I think of the pressure of you. You know, there's this pressure of you got to do your best. Well, I've done my best. I have absolutely done my best. I have done everything I possibly can. And it still feels at times like failure. It's not.

It's really not. But it'll feel that way. And you don't, if you're like me, there are times that you want to look at your kids and go, suck it up, Buttercup. You know what I was a kid? But we cannot compare these times to the times that we lived in because everything was different. And, you know, I just think of church.

You know, if you don't live in a community where the majority of people go to church, and you know what, there are bad Christians, there's bad Jews, there's bad atheists, I get it, whatever. not everybody that goes to church is a good person, but at least the society is kind of trying to bend that way, where now society, if you're in a place where there is, where they're not godly people, people searching for God at least, I don't know how you do it. And it's going to get worse. It's going to get harder because the options of God, I mean, think of going to church now. I mean, I go to church and we still dress up and wear a tie and everything else and it's like, oh, that's the hardest thing.

Well, that and actually living by the principles. That's the hardest thing. That's not going to get easier. And it's certainly not going to become more popular. The choices that our kids will be offered will be really easy and enticing. And if we can't get them to see the truth, no one in their life in this atmosphere that they're just going to bump into the streets. Odds are they're not going to help them make good choices.

So how do we do it? How do we do it? And how do we keep our life on track? I know that you are. I know how hard you're working. I mean, I assume you're working hard. I mean, there probably some people are like, yeah, I'm living off the government. It's pretty sweet.

Probably not in this audience. working hard, trying to keep just all I want my children to be happy. You know, we had a therapist that was, you know, she was like, she's just started with us. And one of my, well, I can tell you this part, my daughter wants to be an actress. And so this therapist was talking generally about things. And she was like, you know, sometimes parents, you know, they want. their kids to do a certain thing or be a certain way. And so they, you know, without knowing, they're encouraging. And I said, I'll stop you right there. I would, I would give up everything

if my daughter would go, I don't want to be an actress. I would celebrate. Fireworks. I'd give away my house if I could get that to happen. I so do not want to send her into the, into the mouth. of the lion. And yet, I help her every night learn her lines. I help her with her acting skills. I drive her and so does her mom, 30 miles away every single night, six nights a week, so she can go practice and be in shows. So I get it.

We're good parents. You're a good parent. You're doing the best you can. we're just living in different times. I hope this made sense to you. And if it didn't, oh well. But we're going to go into the news next.

This is the best of the Glenn Beck program, and we really want to thank you for listening. They're called now short-barreled rifles because the government has changed that. But they're, you know, they're these little, like, they're AR-15s, but they have a collapsible stock. So it comes out and pulls out, and it just makes it smaller, easier to carry, and everything else. But I don't even understand this.

I don't even understand this. The ATF, have they passed this or not? I mean, decided. I have read this two ways that they have already decided, and the 120 days is starting soon, if not now. and then the other is, well, they haven't officially decided. But they're saying at the same time, if you want to avoid 10 years in jail and have a potential $10,000 fine, you must reclassified your legally obtained weapon as short-barreled rifles. And you have to do that through the tax stamp system, which is the worst.

It'll take you months. With this administration... It sounds like it's something out of the revolutionary times. Oh, it's horrible. The tax stamp system? Oh, it's horrible. It seems like something like, you know, people with powdered wigs discussed. Right.

You will only have 120 days to bring your firearms into compliance. ATF warns Americans with pistol braces are likely already violating the National Firearms Act by possessing an unregistered rifle with a barrel less than 16 inches. So they're saying you got to register it. But even if you're doing that, you are most likely already violation in violation of the Firearms Act, which is a felony. Oh, just that. Yeah. This does.

Now, Glenn, this feels like the type of thing. The courts will get a hold of and say, no. Of course you can't do that. Obviously, you can't do that. Right. Now, I hate depending on that because it seems like it's the last. barrier between us and insanity over and over and over again, and eventually it's not going to work. Okay, so here's the thing. If this stands, if this stands, what's to stop them from saying?

Because Joe Biden's already said it. There's no reason for semi-automatic handguns. Almost every gun in America is a semi-automatic. All that means is that it's not a revolver. Yeah. We used to have, you know, like the Cowboys. they had six bullets in a revolver. They just, back in the 1900, 1800s period, they redesigned the revolver. And you got the 9-11 handgun, which just loads instead of a circle

in a line underneath. He's now saying... It's every gun. For people who don't know guns, it's basically every gun you buy. Every gun. What is it, 85%? 90% of guns. At least.

I think you have to buy old-timey guns. There's shotguns, I guess. I mean, there's a couple of... Well, some... My shotgun is semi-automatic. Yeah, that's true. But, I mean, the typical shotgun, I guess you wouldn't describe that way. Right.

But there's a few, but it's very rare. So what's to stop them from just saying, oh, by the way, you have to register all of your semi-automatics. And if you don't, if you don't get the tax stamp, then you're committing a felony. This is... This cannot happen. Nixon looked at this. happen. Nixon looked at this closely to try to make all handguns illegal back when he was president.

Again, this is not all Democrats. This is a progressivism problem and goes back to even the Nixon administration where he, you know, on his, on the Nixon tapes, mused about how he wanted to get rid of all handguns. How did he get rid of all of them? You think that these guys aren't doing the same thing? If Nixon was doing it, you don't think these guys have updated this And this is obviously a first step in that direction. Clearly, if they get away with this, they'll do it with other models. So here's the ATF director. He said last week, the rule prevents people from circumventing the laws Congress passed almost a century ago.

Now, people are saying he's redefining rifle. You can't redefine, you know, what a rifle is. He says, almost a century ago, Congress determined that short-barrel rifles must be subject to heightened requirements. Today's rule makes clear firearm manufacturers, dealers, and individuals cannot evade these important public safety protections simply by adding accessories to pistols that transform them into short-barreled rifles. But the same F-A-F-A-T-F determined in 2012 that pistol braces do not alter the classification of a

pistol or other firearm. So do we listen to the ATF then or listen to the ATF now? Because that was 2012. That wasn't under Trump. That was under Obama. So which one is right? Do we follow the science? Is the new science? The right science? Don't eat butter. Eat butter. Don't eat butter. Don't eat butter.

This is insanity. This is insanity. It's like the question about the student loan program. we listen to the current Department of Education who says absolutely we can relieve all student dead no don't worry about it or do we listen to the one from the I don't know if you remember this period in our history but the Biden administration from like the early Biden administration when they were saying you can't do this this is obviously not something we have the power to do which one do you listen to I mean the progressives always say you should listen to the one that's

larger the one with more power just listen to that one all the time we'll listen to the one we want at that moment. But like, I don't know. I mean, you know, this is, again, going to hit a lot of people. This, and I don't know. 40 billion. I don't know guns like you do, Glenn, but like, these seems to be, these seem to be the type of guns.

You go into a gun store and you want to buy an AR-15 and they say, you know, you can get an AR-15, but also we have this and it's classified as a pistol and it might be more convenient for multiple reasons. So maybe you should consider this. And it's like- I don't know anybody that's, I mean, everybody that I know that has one of these, and let's just say, hypothetically, I have one. We know you don't.

I don't. You're just saying absolutely not. Hypothetically. Anyway, let's say hypothetically I had one of these guns. I would have bought it for fun because, you know, I have an AR. I would have bought it because it is like a pistol and you can, you know, shoot from the hip. I can't hit a damn thing shooting, assuming I had ever even tried one of those. hypothetically.

Yeah. I mean, it would take a lot of just shooting from the hip, you know, at a great distance. That's difficult. I mean, you're just not doing it. Right. However.

But it would be, it's a great, it's a great pistol. It functions, though. It can function essentially like an AR. Yeah. Yeah. If you pull the stock out,

I guess it could. I mean, it would be a bad AR. But I mean, at least you'd have better aim. But it'd be in between. I'd rather have my AR than that. Right.

but it'd be almost in between. And it's classified differently. So, you know, there's some advantages to that, I suppose. Yeah, but none of this. But now it's not. None of this makes a difference. None of this makes a difference. I mean, I'm glad it's classified as a pistol.

You know, if I were somebody who had security that, you know, couldn't kill you with their, you know, pinkies. Which you do. This would be a great gun to have. This is the kind of gun that the Secret Service has under their coats. you know, they can use it like a little machine gun because theirs would be automatic. And they could pop open the back and put it as a rifle. I mean, it's a great gun. It's a great gun.

But it's legal. It's been legal. They've been selling them for years legally. You can't just make me into a felon because I bought some legal thing. Yeah. And I don't think you can make it illegal anyway. even if you wanted to pass a law that said, we're going to make this type of gun illegal.

I think that would violate the Second Amendment. I think you'd go to court and you'd lose. That's my own personal opinion. What do you do in the meantime? However, though, yeah, I'm saying, though, this is different. Usually, as you point out, these things are grandfathered in. You can go around and buy fully automatic weapons. You can do that.

They cost you a fortune. And they're horrible. They all had to be made by like, what is it? In 1982. Yeah, there's two big lines there. In the 20s, there was a line. And then there was another line in the 80s, 86, I think it was. Yeah.

And anything, so all that stuff is manufactured pre-1986. So of course, it's, you know, very, very expensive. Tens of thousands of dollars, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I can't even imagine what they are now. I know before when Obama was elected, I knew somebody who went. and bought one.

Hypothetically. Hypothetically. And it was about 20 or 30 grand. Then. Then. Then. And all sorts of loophole, legal hurdles to clear before you could do that. You can do it, though. You can do it.

They are not banned. But you're not. They're just close to ban. You are generally not a criminal. And because you wouldn't go get the tax stamp from the government if you were a drug lord. Right. And you couldn't afford them. You know, most people cannot.

afford them. And so they're gun collectors that have them. And, you know, what is the problem? Who's got a, who's got that tax stamp? And if we had a problem with this Asian guy, you know, he didn't use an, he didn't use an AR. Yeah, right. It was an automatic pistol, they said, or a semi-automatic pistol. Yeah, that's just called a pistol. Right. Let's make sure that everybody understand. Semi-automatic means every pistol you've ever seen unless you were watching a Western. Right. And that's called

a revolver. Everything else is semi-automatic. I think the line they were trying to draw with this guy was that he had an extended would it be magazine or I know everyone gets crazy on the magazine and clip thing. It's not a clip. It's a magazine, right? Okay. I said magazine first. I thought I I got stuff wrong all the time. I'm very nervous talking about this stuff. Me too. But I think

they are saying he had an extended magazine of some sort that was illegal. They said the weapon was likely illegal in the state, which is fascinating. Wait, what? Yeah, illegal in the state to have. Which is weird. For some reason, it had been, it was still there. I don't know.

Now, that is weird. These guys that murder just do not follow the letter of the law. Why? Why? Just, listen. Look, when you want a murder, okay, I understand. I wouldn't do it. But can you at least follow the gun laws?

And did you see how quickly and embarrassingly the media switched from, hey, this is an anti-AAPI hate murder spree by some white guy who doesn't like Asians because of COVID, which is the most bizarre narrative I've ever heard. Well, I just hope that Facebook have banned Peter Schiff and Chuck Schumer. I hope that Google has labeled this misinformation. Adam Schiff, I believe. Oh, yeah, Adam Schiff. I just hope they're labeled as, you know, somebody that could be potentially dangerous for their misinformation at a time of real stress.

Sure. Sure they will. And then a second it went to, oh, God, this is an Asian guy? Oh, okay, wow, the guns are really bad in this country, huh? They just immediately switch narratives. You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck program. We have Stephen Estambalia on the phone with us. Stephen, welcome to the program.

How are you, sir? I'm doing well. It's our talk to you, Glenn, and even stew. And even stew. Wow. Don't lower yourself, Stephen. I've lost so much respect for you already. Hey, I watched your YouTube video.

I think it was from the shot show last week. And I am trying to even understand what is going on. with the pistol brace rule because this could make 40 million Americans. Fellons. Right. So has this, is this, is this in effect now as the clock started to tick? Where are we on this? Okay.

So on Friday the 13th, they, but did not publish it in the Federal Register. I got back from shot on late Friday night. I have not even checked the Federal Register to see if it had. has been, quote, published in the Federal Register. But publishing it in the Federal Register is what starts the clock ticking for you to do the things the ATF says you need to do to either remain compliant with the law or their new law that they've just created because, well, they hate all of us. Or, you know, turning your rifle, your pistol, whatever, or just ignore it and then become a felon and go spend some time at Club Fed. Jeez. Okay. So it could have started. We don't know yet. We can find out. Can you see? How do you check the Federal Register? I don't even know. How do you do that? Can the average person do that? Yeah. And, you know, and that's exactly what they say is the average person has, I can't even remember the exact language. But once it's published in the Federal Register, everyone is just deemed to be on notice that it's been published in the Federal Register.

register and have knowledge of whatever is in the federal register, even though most people don't have this masochistic street where they want to punish themselves by reading thousands of pages of bureaucratic regulations. I'm just about, I'm on the page here to search for it, and there's 908,512 documents, which surely I know everything that is in those documents. Well, you do if you're responsible and you check it every morning like I do. So, so what do you search for in this? Do you just search for, you know, bad guns?

Evil guns? The stabilizing braces? Correct. Okay, look for stabilizing braces. Okay. So once this has been published, then we have 120 days to either get rid of the gun. Let me actually read something to you. This is the way it was pushed today.

Let's see. that you can you can get rid of the brace, destroy it, get the tax stamp, which is impossible, and you can explain that later, at least in time to comply, or destroy the pistol brace, or you can turn your gun into the ATF. I don't even know where the ATF is, or you can go to prison. So can we destroy the pistol brace? So they say that you can destroy the pistol brace, and the ATF has various methods of how you're supposed to destroy it.

I mean, the easiest thing would be, you know, I guess crush it up, throw it away, right? But yeah, that is one of your options. You can absolutely destroy your pistol brace. You can absolutely destroy your firearm if you're so inclined to do, and you can 100% turn in your firearm to the ATF. I'm sure they would appreciate free guns. Oh, free guns. last thing.

Right. Well, for them. Yeah. Right. So. The other thing they tell us to do is, since they're so kind and so gracious, they're going to allow us this one-time opportunity to get a free tax stamp. And Glenn, you spoke about how hard it was to get a text. Uh-huh. You know, you're looking at over, over a year wait.

I mean, it's like a year wait right now before they want to add. 40 million. Right. Right. And if you take the ATF number, that's $3 million. If you take Congressional Research Service, who's, you know, bipartisan, they say up to $40 million. Let's go at $40 million, right? Or anywhere in between, it doesn't matter.

They're going to over, like, just completely inundate the system with people trying to comply, right? Because most citizens just want to comply with the law so they don't get their door kicked in, their dog shot, and their gun seized. So, yeah, I mean, it's not going to happen within a year. I mean, maybe two years. maybe and you're you are a felon if you have it in those two years correct even if you've applied so the way that they say this and this is what gives me like so much heartburn about this is they're saying we were wrong when we told you over and over and over and over again that a braced pistol is not a short barrel rifle it's always been a short barrel rifle we just said the wrong thing and

you know it's our bad sorry so You're a felon if you have it now. But since we're such nice people, if you go through the process of registering it, right? So you go and you do your E-form 1 or your paper form, whatever, and you submit this to the ATF, along with your photographs and your fingerprints, your address, and a picture of the firearm, we will deem you to be in compliance, even though you have a short barrel rifle because you've said it's a short barrel rifle because they said it's a short barrel rifle. And you don't have a tax stance for it.

you are per se in violation of the law, but they're going to use their enforcement discretion to not come after you, assuming you do the things they tell you to do. Well, the ATF has also warned, reading from the article, Americans with pistol braces are likely already violating the National Firearms Act by possessing an unregistered rifle with a barrel of less than 16 inches. So they're already saying, you know, yeah, and even if you're doing all this, you're probably already a felon. I mean, this, this is madness.

You're committing the crime. You're committing, you've committed the crime by having, with their new definition, a braced pistol that fits into one of their, you know, multiple subjective criteria. You are committing the felony now. And that's why they use enforcement discretion, because you only use enforcement discretion. If you're violating the law, there's no need to use enforcement discretion if you're not in violation of any law. Because there's nothing to enforce. So, let me, so what do we do? I mean, because I don't think, I mean, this can't pass a test in the courts.

I mean, it would in, you know, maybe California and New York, but it's not going to, even the ninth circuit would probably overturn this. Do we have time? What do you do? Do you just sit here and wait it out? You know, that's a good question. What do you do? I'm wholly uncomfortable. admitting to the ATF that I've committed a felony, even though they said they're not going to prosecute me in their enforcement discretion, because that changes. And we've seen from, you know, almost everything the ATF does. They constantly change their mind. I mean, look at bump stocks, right? Look at the 80% lowers. And now look at the pistol braces. So, I mean, they have a demonstrable history of being wrong and changing their mind on everything. So what's to stop them from

changing their mind on enforcement discretion or saying, well, Mr. Beck, you just didn't do it good enough and now we're going to prosecute you. So, I mean, to answer your question, what do you do? I mean, there are some organization that is going to be suing them on this year. Okay. I can't imagine what that organization would be. Mm-hmm. Right.

Right. Yeah. Yeah, it's a secret to everybody. Yeah, it wouldn't be the gun owners of America, I'll tell you that right now. Yeah. Okay. So some organization is going to be suing them. And how is that, how long is that going to take?

Well, it depends on, oh gosh, so many different things. You know, we would, or at the organization, would absolutely seek a temporary restraining order in a preliminary injunction throughout the litigation, right? So if that organization could get the rule held in, you know, abeyance while the court is deciding whether or not the ATF can just keep willy-nilly changing its mind on everything, then, you know, within 120 days, we would expect to have some kind of answer. And 120 days, it's plenty enough time for the court to decide whether or not to hold a rule and, you know, just enjoying it pending litigation.

I mean, it's plenty of time for them to do that. And then it gives you, you know, 120 days, and it gives you lots of opportunity in case they go against, against you. Can you give your, like for instance, I have, I live in two different counties and I love my sheriffs and, you know, until this thing is worked out, can I just go to my sheriff and say, here, take this, till this is, you know, you can use it. If it turns out to be, you know, a felony to own it, you guys take it and you use it. but I don't want to possess it.

I mean, I'm, because I'm, I'd be the perfect target. You know what I mean? They're not going to, they're not going to throw 40 million people in prison, but they will throw maybe a couple of hundred, and that will teach everyone else. Oh, we can do this to them. We're coming for you. And you can absolutely turn it into your sheriff for, quote,

safekeeping while you're, you know, paying attention to what we're doing in the courts to see if we're successful in the courts. I don't know why we wouldn't be. I mean, this is just so obvious. It's like the definition of arbitrary and capricious. If you open up a dictionary, it can have a picture of the ATF right there. But you would also have, if this passes, then they can say all semi-automatics. I mean, Joe Biden's already saying semi-automatic handguns are a problem.

There's no use for it. That's every gun that's sold unless you're buying an old Western gun. Right. And, you know, that's funny that you say that. just jogged my memory in the, I think it was the Sixth Circuit G-O-A bumpstock case. The senior, you know, deputy counsel for DOJ could not answer whether or not all semi-automatic firearms or machine guns. Like all AR-50s.

Right. When the court asked him, he's like, I'm not prepared to answer that. And I thought, well, by God, that's a really easy question. No. Right. The answer is no. But if you don't answer it now, you can answer it when you do it in a rule. and then, I mean, is this the first time that you've seen something that hasn't had a grandfather clause in it?

Well, no, I mean, because look at bump stocks, right? You know, after Trump directed DOJ and ATF to basically strike out bump stocks with a pen, you know, all of them turn them in, Mr. and Mrs. America, you're now felons, and you've always this bumpstock, even though we said prior to this, it was legal, 100% legal, not a machine gun. I know this is a common theme with the ATF. We were wrong, and they are actually machine guns, and we're going to use our enforcement discretion not to come after you. However, you can't register them because 18 U.S.C. 922-O does not allow you to have new machine guns, just prior to 1986 machine guns. You know, you can still own a machine gun.

Does the fact that that wasn't challenged or did it lose? Can we say the fact that the fact that Republican, rolled over as Trump did this and said nothing about it. Right. Does that hurt us on this now? Now there's more precedent for it. Well, what's great about the bumpstock stuff is in the Sixth Circuit, G.O.A.1 at the panel, at like the three-judge panel stage, and basically the court just really called out the ATF and said, you can't do this. And then when it went to the en banc court, basically the full court, they

evenly split. And an even split is a bad thing if you lose in the trial court because what it does is it affirms the trial court ruling because the unbunk court couldn't agree on what it was. However, the Fifth Circuit came in for the win a couple of weeks ago in the Cargill case and basically en banc 13 to 3 told the ATF. Um, bump stocks are not machine guns. So, uh, you know, you know, your move ATF. Okay.

But the circuits are split on that because all of, all of the different circuits can't agree. And what does that do? It sets you up for the perfect Supreme Court case because you can't have Texas, Mississippi, and Louisiana applying one federal law one way and then the other states applying it a different way. So the Supreme Court is going to have to step in and resolve that circuit split because that's a pretty big deal. But of course, all these companies that were making these things are now out of business, right? Three years down the line, yeah. Yeah, it's like, you know, this is the process is the punishment half the time. So we've been talking to

Stephen Stambulia and he is with the gun owners of America. You can follow all

of the information at gunowners.org gun owners.org or you can follow Stephen on his Twitter

handle at Stambo 2A. I like Stambo 2A. Stephen, thank you so much. I appreciate it.

We'll talk to you again. Na-na-na-na-na-na-na-a