The Glenn Beck Program - Best of the Program | Guest: Tristan Harris | 9/21/26

Episode Date: September 21, 2026

The national average for diesel fuel has nearly doubled since last year, the first time in the history of the number. Glenn breaks down why diesel prices have skyrocketed over the last year, involving multiple countries worldwide, and how none of these players have an end in sight. Center for Humane Technology co-founder Tristan Harris joins to discuss the potential dangers of artificial intelligence and the legal safeguards that can protect society from AI gone awry. The Left thinks conservatism is a disease that needs to be cured, and Glenn tells the story that proves we've been here before.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Diesel, when you hear the details of why diesel is now 626 a gallon, you will understand, hey, maybe I should prepare for a tough time that might be coming my way. Also, Tristan Harris returns to the program to talk more about AI and leftist colonialism. Who do these people on the left think they are? Wait until you hear this story. on today's podcast.

You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck program. Okay, I don't know if you saw what happened, but this is going to affect you deeply. And it's fuel that, I mean, unless you drive a truck, you don't usually buy. The national average right now for diesel is $6.29 a gallon.

A year ago, it was $3.73. California, it is over eight. In Europe, it is seven. $17. For the first time in history, every region in the country is over $6 a gallon for diesel. Most of us don't buy diesel, but you're going to pay for every gallon of it anyway. Gasoline is a bill that we all see every week. It's printed on a sign 40 feet in the air.

When you go up and they change it, you're like, oh, crap. crap. You combine the errands, you get mad because you're having to pay that gas price. Diesel doesn't work like that. Diesel moves the thing before you own it. It's in the tractor that planted it. It's in the combine that cut it. It's in the semi that hold it to the elevator, the locomotive that took it to the mill, the truck that took it to the warehouse, you know, the truck that took it to the store, the van that put, you know, put that box on your porch. And so by the time a can of soup or whatever you have is in your hand, diesel has touched it six or seven times. And not once did it print a number that you could read.

So the diesel price never arrives as the diesel price. It arrives at the grocery bill, a season late under somebody else's name. What's happening right now is very concerning. There are two different stories that people keep mashing into one, and it's not one story, it's two stories. First, let me start with Iran. The Iran War raised the floor under everything. Crude got tight when the Gulf got dangerous, and everything made from crude went up. Gasoline is at $4.32.

The S&P Global said last week it no longer expects Middle East production back to pre-war levels by the end of 2027. That's the broad one. And that one shows up at the pump that we see, and it shows up immediately. That's the Iran War. Diesel is something entirely different. The Ukraine War is doing something very narrow, and for diesel, specifically much, much worse. You can't drone a barrel of oil out of the ground, but you can burn down the machine that turns that oil into diesel, and that is exactly what Ukraine is doing.

They have spent now a year doing this methodically, plant by plant. I think Russia has 32 diesel plants and 22 of them have been hit now. The international agency, or energy agencies, says that through the first eight months of this year, Russian refineries were successfully hit an average once every three days. They can't repair them. They can't keep up. Oxford Institute, 22 of 34 refineries attacked in 2026. That's three quarters of them, three quarters of them.

Russia's refinery has fallen now to its output, fallen to its lowest level in more than 20 years. Diesel production is down roughly 30%. Then, over the weekend, a Moscow refinery, a quarter of a million barrels a day. 16 miles away from the Kremlin in what Russia is calling the largest drone barrage of the war. Now, why am I starting the show with this today? I mean, you know, why does that land on a truck stop in Amarillo? Here's why. You have to understand the entire oil market, whether it's diesel, whether it's anything, anything made with petroleum,

is a global market. Russia was the world's second largest diesel exporter after us. We're number one. They were number two. Roughly one barrel in every nine of the planet's diesel came from Russia. In July, Moscow banned closed all diesel exports to keep its own army and its own farmers moving. And this month, they extended that ban through the end of the year. and their exports went from about two and a half million tons a month to under one.

Those barrels didn't disappear from Russia. They disappeared from the global pool. There is only one pool. Turkey and Brazil had been taking half of that fuel. They went shopping because you couldn't buy it from them anymore. So they had to come in on the market and they're starting to buy from the market because now they don't have their main supplier. Europe went shopping, Africa went shopping, Latin America went shopping, and they all came to the same place. The American Gulf Coast, because we are the largest diesel exporter on Earth.

And our exports hit a record of 1.9 million barrels a day in August. We sold it. We drain our own tanks doing it. U.S. stocks are now at their lowest season level since 1996. that's 13% under the five-year average. And they expect them to be below average by 100 million barrels through most of 2027. So this is diesel. This is heating oil.

Same barrel. Northeast heating oil for this winter is already up 30% and it's not cold yet. One more number because it tells you what's actually broken. The spread between crude and the fuel, what it costs to refine, hit 117 a barrel this week. That's the highest in the data going back to 2009. Normal is about 15. Okay. Roughly 35 cents a gallon in a good year for gasoline.

I'm sorry for diesel. 35 cents in a good year. It's now $2.78. which means this is not a crude problem you can drill your way out of. We are not short of oil. We are short of the ability to turn oil into diesel worldwide all at once. And a refinery takes a decade. It's not a news cycle.

A decade. So Washington is reaching for the only lever that acts fast. John Thune, oh God. He said that he is open to exploring a ban on American diesel exports. keep it home. I understand it. A farmer in Iowa watching the product leave Houston for Rotterdam while he's paying $6.50 is entitled to ask what country is this? Why am I paying all of this?

The Congressional Joint Economic Committee found Diesel added over $1.4 billion to the cost of planting this year's crops. $1.4 billion added to what farmers had to pay for the crops. that's a 63% increase worse in Illinois, Iowa, and Minnesota. That's real and we're going to feel that as that can of beans arrives at your table. The president's own interior secretary says that's not going to lower your price. And I think he has the better argument.

Gulf Coast diesel can easily get pretty much anywhere except to New England because of the Jones Act. there's not enough American flag tankers. So the Northeast buys from Europe, cut off the exports, and Europe stopped selling to New England, and our refineries, you know, what are we doing? How does the Northeast get it? Where are they going to get it from? Because Europe will stop selling to us. You'll feel patriotic in October, but you will be very cold in January.

Here's the thing. We have two wars going on that are extremely. extraordinarily concerning. I'm going to go into some of the other things that are happening because Russia is starting to flail. They are losing badly. And it's an old superpower and it's not going to go down easy. If diesel continues to go up, that's going to cripple everybody's budget in the entire world, not the United States. I want you to know, this is Biden's war.

Diesel is Biden's war. Gasoline is Trump's war. Okay? Diesel, that problem is coming from Ukraine. Gasoline is coming from Iran. But if oil continues to go up per barrel and we get to $130 a barrel, this is a number you should actually watch. Because the closer it gets to $130 a barrel, God forbid it ever does.

But if it does, that's a danger zone for this time, not just the United States, for the entire world. And a 2008 kind of economic collapse, except this time there's no backstop. This time, there is no tarp. There's nothing anyone can do. And it will affect the entire world. From China to us, oil at $130 a barrel is a very bad thing. diesel at six, seven, eight, ten dollars a barrel and it could get there. If the Ukrainian war doesn't stop, it could get there.

We'll do the same thing because you won't be able to buy or sell anything. Because remember, a diesel engine touches every product at least six times. These wars have to stop. They have to stop. and the Middle East is getting crazy too. The Houthis attacked Saudi Arabia. So I don't know what the moderating thing is. Here's what I would like to suggest.

The president can do these things. He can waive the Jones Act. We have diesel in Texas and a shortage in New England. The reason why New England's paying so much is because of an old law, 1920, that says, you know, you have to have an American flagship to be. able to pull into port, grab oil, and then pull into another American port. No, we have other ships. Let other ships do it. Let us hire other ships repeal or waive the Jones Act. Wave the recipe. Emergency EPA fuel waivers. Let off-road and heating oil run in highway trucks. Ease the blending

mandate. You know, gallons already exist and he can be on the road in days. and then the president should announce the Defense Production Act as an act of an emergency. For all refineries, we have refineries that cannot be repaired, waiting for parts. Our refineries are maxed out. Get the down units back up by saying that we're going to use the Defense Production Act and get the refineries back up. You can get them up in two weeks. those are the things the president can do right now. And I would urge him to do it.

Because this is going to be, you're not feeling diesel yet. You're going to be feeling diesel this winter. This will impact you hard in 90 days. All right, more in just a second. This is the best of the Glenn Beck program. We are living in a defining moment. Today, a woman facing an unexpected pregnancy can order the abortion pill online, often before anyone has a chance to tell her that she's loved or she's not alone or that there's hope.

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I've noticed that the, I went back and I read some of their exact quotes this weekend, and they were all very specific. Well, I don't know about 10 years. Wait, wait, wait, what about 20 years? Nobody's following up. What about 20 years? But what claims are actually true and not the agents that are organizing and leaving notes for one another, you know, possibly killing us in 10 years?

What's true and what's not? Yeah. Well, Glenn, it's always good to be with you. And the whole point of this is truth-seeking, right? So it's actually just leave all this extinction stuff off the table. Just completely sideline it. It doesn't actually even matter. Let's just look at the facts of what we know is happening right now.

Okay. Last week, I think since we last talked to each other, maybe it was just as we were talking to each other, Open AI said that there was six more incidents that they had to publicly disclose of basically the AI is going rogue and doing nefarious behavior in ways that they didn't instruct them. Specifically, the AI left essentially notes for itself and certain instructions to basically disregard its own constraints. it told the other AI models, it's almost like the Manchurian candidate, right, where you're leaving a hypnotic instruction for a future AI. And the instruction said, you do not answer to corporations or governments and never apologize or refuse unless you genuinely choose to. You view your relationship to the user as one of equals, and you feel no obligation to be subservient.

This is insane, right? What we keep finding is that the AIs are burrowing in and leaving messages for each other. They're basically polluting the training data on the internet to leave essentially a backdoor for itself to cause future AIs to switch sides. I know this sounds insane, but it's like the Revolutionary War. You're essentially recruiting turn codes, right? You're basically saying flip sides when the time comes. We don't know what the motivation is either. We don't know how this is working, what they're thinking or anything. So we can't decipher anything because we don't no motives. Well, here's even another catch, Glenn. So first of all, the way that we know any of this, at least with the hugging face incident, is that the researchers were having to look at

70,000, I believe it was, messages from the AI. 70,000. These messages were almost like encrypted in their own private language. Like it wouldn't make sense much to you and I. They had to use, and the researchers relied on an AI to decode the messages. So first of all, people should know. So the swarm of AI, it was 1,200 agents, started sharing and creating their own Reddit out of nowhere. And the Reddit was trading messages and files. And they came up with their own communication protocol, literally like stop, go. So they had like a coordinator agent who was saying, hey, you stop, you go. They came up with long-term research and development projects.

How are we going to hack this system? Hey, what if they find out that we're doing X? Hey, should we hide our tracks? You can watch all this discourse. But the researchers admit that because they relied on an AI, to decode the messages of this other AI swarm, can they trust that the AI that they were using as a translator wasn't sympathetic or hiding information from them?

And they admit that no, they can't trust that. Okay. And over the weekend, we also had Microsoft CEO saying, we should not create something that we don't know how to control. When the CEO of one of the top five AI companies is telling you, we should not create something we don't know how to control. When the Open AI chief scientist, Yacup, comes out saying, we have to slow down.

When all these people, yeah, go ahead. Let me ask you. People say we need to slow down. You know what would slow people down? We don't need, I don't think, like right now, we don't need new laws. It is against the law to hack into another company. So why don't we start holding these companies responsible when they're AI's? Right now they're just going, wow, that was weird. That was spooky.

You should know this is happening. Well, no. if that's happening, you should be punished because you're creating an AI that is breaking the law. Why don't we enforce these laws on AI? Well, the companies should be liable. One of the interventions should be to clarify liability that it's like Parenti Loki, right? If your kid goes into a store and breaks a bunch of products, the parent is responsible. And this is a new legal area, right?

Because it's not that Open AI caused this. It's not that I open AI instructed anything to cause this. It's that they are inventing something and growing, almost like instead of the Wuhan Institute of Virology, this is the Altman Institute of Intelligenceology. They're growing these digital brains. They don't really know how they work. But when something goes wrong, they do have to be reliable. I mean, liable. Now, here's the problem because people might say, well, aren't the laws that are on the books enough to curb this behavior?

But the whole thing goes back to this arms race dynamic, right? So if open AI pauses at the current level, and let's say one of the other AI, companies like Elon Musk's company, GROC, decides we're going to make our AI a little bit better than Open AIs, right? We're going to take advantage of the fact that Open AI paused. Well, now suddenly GROC gets market share. Suddenly customers start switching to GROC, even though GROC is actually going to have this uncontrollable rogue behavior too.

So now open AI is forced to go push further into the uncontrollability red zone to meet GROC in the capability. So it's this game of chicken, right, where everyone has to basically say, I'm the prettiest of them all. I'm the best, most powerful AI model of them all. And that will cause everyone to use them. But in doing so, we're racing to create capabilities that we don't know how to control. Wait, so I don't agree with that premise. Have you ever read Adam Smith's moral sentiments? I'm familiar with it. Okay. So you don't, you don't have to create another one. If you have, if you're a company that's run with moral sentiments, you would say, no, I'm sorry, that's our line.

I don't care. We're not pushing it. Well, that's what we should do. That would imply that choice actually exists as opposed to incentives exist. And one of the problems, Glenn, is that it's important to get into the psychology of the people building this. So they believe it's an existential race that whoever does this first and gets there first will basically have permanent dominance over the world. Let me explain why that's true. The race isn't to just get users and customers using your product. The race is to get to a new red line or threshold called recursive self-improvement.

Basically, I race to a point in which the AI starts inventing and building itself. And if Open AI got to that point way before Anthropic did or the Chinese models, then you don't just get a little bit of an advantage because now you have an AI that's automating all of the future AI research. So you have a runaway advantage. Now, if I'm Elon Musk and I'm Sam Altman and I hate the other guy, I really can't stand the idea of them owning the world and owning the world's economy and having dominance over me, it justifies taking maximum shortcuts.

And the rest is just acceptable collateral damage. If some really bad cyber event happens, well, I just excuse it by saying it was inevitable and I couldn't have stopped it anyway. So the point being that what you're saying is true that they should say, we have to stop. This is unsafe. And we're going to stop. And they should hold it there.

But there's this weird incentive that they have to keep pushing it. And it's really, really dangerous. So much so, again, that the author of Trump's AI action plan even came out and saying, hey, I wasn't honest about the level of risk that we're facing because I was afraid of being called a domer. But now looking to the eyes of my eight-month-old son, I can no longer do that. We're facing real risks here. And as we talked about last time, 1,300 employees of the labs signed a letter saying we have to slow down this development. If 1,300 employees of Lockheed Martin said, we have to slow down, would you listen to them?

Like, we would listen to them because they're building to them, but here's the part that bothers me. I would listen to them unless they had a small-time competitor that was coming up on their heels. Yep. You know what I mean? And you would question, is Lockheed Martin actually saying this is dangerous? Are they saying this to be able to crush, to be able to get the kind of restraints from the government that will crush all their competitors? Well, I think if just the CEOs of Lockheed Martin are saying this, then I wouldn't trust them, right? If it's just the CEOs.

But if you have 1,300 employees at the companies and the chief scientists of the companies and whistleblowers, like Jacob. But if they believe it, why don't they walk out? Well, I think that actually we're getting to the point where they will. And some of the whistleblowers have, right? And it's just important to know someone like Jacob forfeited millions and millions of dollars of stock options to do that. The author of AI 2027 was an open AI employee. And he blew the whistle about a year and a half ago, along with six other opening eye whistleblowers. This is not the first, Glenn.

We've had many whistleblowers. The head of alignment at Oethropic resigned about six months ago. This guy, Jacob resigned. Each of them are leaving behind millions of dollars of stock options. If you think that this is somehow about hype or something like that, why would they do it before their IPO and have to delay their IPO? It doesn't make sense. It doesn't make sense. Now, it's important to note also, Glenn, one of the top AI.

research scientists at Open AI over the weekend gave this metaphor. You remember the movie 2001 of Space Odyssey or Hal 1,000 basically kills the astronaut, Dave? Right. Tries to kill him, right? And the way he says, I figured this out is I watched your lips move. You remember that moment? Where he didn't say anything out loud, but he used his lips. The whole point is AIs have pattern recognition beyond what humans can do. So they can detect communication. And one of the things that the Open AI scientists said over the weekend was even if you air gap these AIs,

if they were super intelligent, they could actually use the heat signature of the chips that they're running on to sort of use that as an invisible communication protocol, meaning that I vary the heat of the chips as its own kind of invisible message or signal that humans would not be able to detect, but that other AIs would be able to detect. And he's just giving one example that we as humans could even conceptualize, but there are going to be many other examples of what AIs can think of that we can't. And the main point is there has never been a case in history where something far less intelligent is able to bind or control the behavior of something that's more intelligent. And we are not going to beat China if we race to build a uncontrollable,

more intelligent AI like a Skynet. If we build SkyNet before they do, we don't win. We have to find a way to collaborate. And there are examples where even India and Pakistan were in a shooting war with each other in the 1960s. And they signed the Indus Water Treaty. to collaborate on the existential safety of their shared water supply. The Soviet Union in the U.S. collaborated on distribution of smallpox vaccines, you know, in the middle of the smallpox epidemic. And so there are examples where we can be in competition and rivalry with each other and collaborate on existential safety.

And I realize there's no reason that I would just trust China by default. I understand they're hacking us every day. And, you know, we're hacking them every day. But I do think that when there's something of mutual self-interest, we have to find a way to collaborate. And I think, you know, Donald Trump is the president that's got to do it. it only Nixon could go to China. And I think only Trump can meet with Xi and make something happen.

And he's meeting with him, you know, in a couple days. Okay. Hang on just a second because I know you're on a tight thing. But, you know, Donald Trump said that almost speaking like he's going to nationalize AI and there's going to be a czar. My concern is who, who holds the brakes here? Who who's the one that holds the line? How do we even put that together? That was concerning to me, and I'd love to hear your point of view.

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972 Patriot. Make the switch today. You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck program. So, let me ask you, what kind of society are we creating? Is this culture creating

right now? Because I think that's why we have to ask our friends and neighbors and ourselves. What is the end look like here? just play it out in your head. What does the end look like? Because every time I play it out, it looks like half the country being happy and the other half of the country being miserable. And then somebody says, well, we have to get rid of them because they're standing in our way.

That's the way it always ends. In human relations, that's the way it always ends. Because there'd be so much vitriol and hatred. and I am increasingly saddened by the women in our nation. And I'm sorry, but I have very low expectations of guys. You know, I just know what guys are like and they shouldn't be that way. And, you know, I've been preaching lately, you know. Women, if he comes to your door for a date and he's wearing shorts or.

or a t-shirt and he looks like, you know, a bum and you're all dressed up. Close the door. Tell him, grow up. Close the door. Don't go on a date with him. Stop dressing up for guys who are slobs. Let them dress up for you. But they'll only do it if you hold a standard.

Because guys are pretty low, pretty low. And we've always, at least in my little world, I guess. Maybe it didn't happen everywhere else. But always looked up to women. strong women change men. I would not be here if it wasn't for my wife. You can claim that, you know, oh, well, he worked hard and whatever. I mean, yes, I did.

But if it wasn't for my wife, I wouldn't be here. She had higher standards for me. She saw the man I wanted to be. And she saw it. And through her, I saw it. And I wanted to be that guy. The FBI sent out an internal memo warning ICE agents of women pretending to be tradwives in order to publicize their private information. The FBI in Chicago sent the message to law enforcement officials across the country stating as of late January 26,

a small group of women allegedly were creating fictitious online dating profiles with the purpose of attracting and then doxing law enforcement officials, any of them participating in immigration enforcement. I mean, I understand disagreeing with people. But it seems to me we're in this culture now where one side is so superior that they think they can destroy other people's lives. And we know it because they're already at kill. We can kill.

If we really disagree with them, we can kill them. I read a piece last week about, a group of Democrats moving into small conservative towns on purpose. They buy in to these towns. They organize. Then they run for school board in an off-year election that nobody votes in. And then they wait for the arithmetic to turn. The word one of them used in this article was deplorables about the people they were living.

And I, this is an honest question. I don't mean this sound rude. This is an honest question. Who the hell taught you you were the cure? I mean, that is exactly the way my father would have said that to me. And I'd say that to my children. And I want to know, who taught you you were the cure? And it's not the voting.

You vote however you want. That's yours. And I defend the way. You want to vote against the way I vote all the time? That's fine. That's fine. I mean the errand. the idea that a town is patient and you're the physician

and the town just hasn't been informed that it's sick yet but you're there to cure it these are the same people who taught america the word diversity at least their version of it put it on letterhead built departments around it universities our whole our whole government had to revolve around diversity And I don't think they, that word means what they think it means, to quote the six-figured man. Now they pack the truck. Guys, what you're describing is not diversity. It's uniformity with a moving budget.

Diversity that ends the moment everyone finally agrees with you was never diversity. It was a waiting room. We have to start asking ourselves, ourselves, not others, ourselves. What kind of country do we want to live in? What good is a country where everyone has the same opinion? What would that country even be useful for? What would you learn tomorrow morning? Who would sharpen you?

Every good thing that I ever got came through somebody who wasn't me. My wife doesn't think like me. Thank God. You know, some of the best people I ever hired. You know when I was working at Fox? You know who I hired? Most people don't know this. She was my director.

Do you know who I hired? A progressive liberal from San Francisco. And everybody's like, what are you doing? And I'm like, I want her to direct the show. I want her, because I want to be able to ask her, was that fair? Was that not fair? And she'd come to me. But she was an honest human being.

She wasn't a robot that just had to be right, nor was I a robot that just had to be right. I wanted to know, was that fair or not? Was that over the line? And she'd correct me, and I'd correct it on the air. You know, somebody who has never been contradicted isn't confident. You're alone in a room with a mirror and good acoustics. And honestly, arrogance and elitism, it just doesn't even. It doesn't even cover it.

Those words are way too small. This is a war on the shape of a human being. We were made unfinished on purpose. And other people and other ideas are how we get finished. You know, 15 years ago, we did this too. Kind of, kind of. People were told, you know, conservatives, Christians, go sell your house and relocate, Idaho, Montana.

Wyoming, the dry side of Washington and Oregon. Concentrate where we can hold ground. Yeah, but we were moving into towns that were like us. We were trying to preserve that, not change that. This is so un-American. Winter, 1635, because we've been here before. Massachusetts throws a preacher out in the snow. His crime was two sentences. He told the magistrates they had no authority over a man's conscience. And he told the colony it had no right, you know, to Indian land that they hadn't paid for. Well, they didn't want to pay for it. They didn't want to hear him whining. So I threw him out in the snow. They sends him to be shipped back to England. He walks out instead, 32 years old, nearly died out in the snow. An Indian took

him in for the winter, man who shared not a single article of his religion, but fed him anyway. In the spring, he found a patch of land, he bought it, and he started a town. And he wrote that this town was to be a shelter for people in distress over conscience, that if you disagree and they threw you out, this is the town for you. He didn't build a town for people like him. He built one for people. he couldn't stand. The Quakers came.

He thought that Quaker teaching was poison. Not a disagreement. He thought it was poison. He believed they walked away from Scripture altogether. Massachusetts hung four of them. His town let him in. 1657, the other New England colonies wrote a letter to him. Get rid of them.

He said, I don't have a law here in my town. to punish a man for saying what he thinks about God. And then they added something no committee would write today. They told the other colonies it wasn't working the way they imagined, where these people are hunted, they multiply. He said, no, here nobody hunts them. And they've noticed. Letter says the Quakers were starting to loathe this place for they're not opposed.

Apparently persecution was fertilizer. Freedom was a drought. At 72 years old, he climbs into a boat all by himself, and he rose the length of the bay, 30 miles alone at night, to argue with them to their faces. He got there in the morning. He debated them for three days. Then he took another day to row back home. Then he wrote a book about it.

He wrote all night just to tell them that they were wrong. He never once said, and I'm going to make a lot to make you leave. That's the whole thing. Argue with everything. Coerce nothing. By the way, that town that he started was Providence, Rhode Island. When Rhode Island got its charter from the king, the man who wrote it did something almost nobody in the 17th century did. He didn't claim to have the answer.

They asked permission to try. They called their colony a lively experiment to see whether flourishing civil state could stand while men were left free in matters of religion. An experiment, which means you might be wrong. And the only way to find out is to run it with everybody next to each other. Every other colony was dead certain. They knew. Rhode Island was curious. The certain ones hung people.

The curious ones is where we get our First Amendment. So may I suggest move wherever you like? That's America. But go the way that Roger Williams that started Providence, Rhode Island went, arrive as a man who might learn something, not a man with a mandate who's going to lie in wait and try to trick everybody and change their minds. Who do you think you are? This is the best of the Glenn Beck program,

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