The Glenn Beck Program - Best of the Program | Guests: Blake J. Harris & Matthew Charles | 4/10/19

Episode Date: April 10, 2019

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I have to tell you, today's podcast, Stu and I are both exhausted. It is a whirlwind of a podcast. I recommend you listen to the whole darn thing. We start with a border, George Soros, Chicago, what it's really all about. That's amazing. Then we roll in to Blake Harris. This guy is a liberal, a journalist, a really respected writer, wrote one of the books of the year a few years ago.

Now can't get arrested. Now no one will talk to him because he exposes this amazing story about Facebook, Zuckerberg, and the guy who invented Oculus Rift. It's an amazing rags to riches, American dream story that is crushed. Why? Because the guy liked Donald Trump. Unbelievable story and pulling the covers back on Facebook and the mainstream media. media like crazy. Let me give you a couple quick other things. We have the Bidenbracket.com situation.

We're in the Erie 8 right now. We may, by the time you hear this, be in the frightening four. The bottom line is go vote for the most creepy Joe Biden photo possible. Do that today. Tomorrow night is the big Joe Biden show. You've got to sign up at blazTV.com slash Glenn. Use the promo code Glenn to get access to that.

Actually, we're not sure exactly how it's going to happen, but there's two parts to it now. It's been growing in size because there's just so much meat on this bone. when it comes to Joe Biden's corruption. We're going to get to that tomorrow. And if you want to see the background of the border, with all of it laid out, with magnets on the chalkboard, go to glenbeck.com.

There's a free YouTube link to the entire show from last night. You really need to see. Yeah, and please pass it on to your friends. We end the podcast with Matthew Charles. He was the guy the president introduced at the State of the Union, the guy who had been in prison for 21 years. They release. And then two years later, they're like,

oh, whoops, that was a mistake. You got to go back to prison for 10 years. Amazing story and a really good guy. That and all the rest of it on today's podcast. You're listening to The Best of the Glenback program. This is crazy. You know, the house that I sold in Connecticut, I bought when I sold it,

we had made some bit of a profit on it. We sold it after the crash. It's now worth less. than half. Well, I mean, the easier way to get homes at cheap prices is just steal the title. That's the best way to do it. If you just kind of go in there, you steal the title. I mean, 25 bathrooms, $2.5 million. Yeah, but you could have got that. You don't need $2.5 million. You can do it for like $20. You get a fake notary, stamp that thing on there. You transfer the title. It's really easy to do. You can do it like a, you know, a couple hours. And then you own the home, you just borrow against the equity or whatever, and you're living a high life. That's the way to do it.

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Get the $100 search for free. Make sure this hasn't happened already. And sign up now. Get protection for your home title with home title lock. Hey, I want to talk to you a little bit about Simply Safe. You know, Helms are burglarized all the time. So last night on TV, and we're going to try to make this episode available on YouTube sometime during the show today, because I want everybody to see it, because you have to understand what's happening. And I would so appreciate if you would alert the people in Congress that you trust, have them send them this episode so they can watch it, and alert them.

to what's really going on. Last night, I was talking about the president. He is getting to a point now where he's willing to do whatever it takes to secure the border. But we're looking at the wrong place. We're looking at the border as the problem. That is not the problem. And let me explain. There were two chalkboards that I have done when I was at Fox.

And they were both very, very important, and they still stand the test of time. because one of them has just finished being true. Everything that I put on there was a prediction, and it's all now complete. And it's a really important chalkboard. So let me go through two of them. Here's what I said 10 years ago that George Soros was building a shadow government. Now, George Soros, we have done episode after episode after episode, after episode. And there's a really good episode by this guy named Mr. Reagan that you should watch.

He has gone and he has updated some of the George Soros stuff. And it's very, very complete and really, really well done. Just Google Mr. Reagan or YouTube and follow him. He's really good at laying things out. What I said at the time was George Soros has this pattern and this is the way he overthrows countries. One, he forms a shadow government, and a shadow government is for the top-down, bottom-up, inside-out theory, that you need enough people at the top in government that are working coordinating with the grassroots level. When you have those two, you can apply pressure on everybody in the middle, and that's you,

the forgotten man. So form a shadow government, then control the airwaves. Then the third step he always takes is destabilize the state with a crisis. Now that crisis can be an economic crisis. It can be an already happening crisis that you just exploit. Fourth step, provoke an election crisis. Fifth step, begin protests and accuse fraud. Those are the five steps that George Soros,

always follows when he's trying to overthrow a country. And I contend he's trying to overthrow the United States of America. He is an open borders guy. This is important for you to understand because when you talk about open borders, what does that mean? People will say open borders. Well, we can all just go and be free. Libertarians mean it one way, open borders, that we should be able to work and do whatever we want without the government interference. Okay, that's one way to look at it. But that is not the way George Soros looks at it.

George Soros is not a libertarian. George Soros loves big government. So when you hear people talk about open borders and they like big government, it can be, and in most cases, a sign that they are Marxist Leninists. Because, remember, the difference between the Nazis and the Nazis and the the commies was not socialism. It was nationalism. Russia and the communists, the Marxist, Leninists, wanted to have socialism on an international scale. So workers of the world unite.

There are no borders. It's one world and one world government. The national socialist said, I don't want to fight for another country. If I fight for my country, my country will be strong because my workers will fight for the other workers in my country. But they're not going to fight for somebody in a far-off distant land. So it's not international workers. It's national workers. So when you hear about no borders, it can be a sign that this is a Marxist-Leninist movement.

All right. Let's go over whether George Soros has done what he said he would do. Form a shadow government. I contend that is the new Democratic Party. I contend that it is all of the radicals that are in there right now. In fact, Stu, why was Jesse Smollett let off or who let him off? Who let him? I mean, Fox, you're talking about? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. What's her name? Nikki Fox? Her last name is Fox. I don't remember her first name.

Do you know how she was elected? I mean, she was brought into as like a kind of a radical opposition to the status quo. You know who funded her? Was it? George Soros. Yeah. I mean, because this, he has projects and he did this with Secretaries of State. Yep. Save our SOS. He did it with district attorneys. Yes. Yeah, yeah. He concentrated on local government. First he did the national, then local. and all of those people all the way along, and he has formed a government, a shadow government,

that thinks like he does, and they're radicals. They're mainly Marxists. Okay? So I contend, if you look at the new Democratic Party, you'll see that that is, that's a shadow government.

They are not looking to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States. They are looking to overthrow the free market system. 2. Control the airwaves. I don't think we even need to address that. But let me just say this. Have you noticed how if you speak out against George Soros, the media goes absolutely apoplectic? You are immediately deemed a anti-Semite. I have nothing. I've won the Defender of Israel Award from ZOA, and it was presented by Benjamin Nett. Netanyahu. So I don't think I'm an anti-Semite. With that being said, because I talk to you about

George Soros, I'm an anti-Semite. No. And I don't believe he was a Nazi. I've never condemned him for what he did in World War II. Some people will claim he collaborated. I don't think so. I think he was just doing what he had to do to survive, and I do not blame him for any of that, nor do I condemn him for that. What I question is the fact that he never has dealt with it. He never felt it was a problem at all. I'm sorry, but you can't take land away from your fellow Jews while working with the Nazis and not feel something. I'm not saying that you feel guilt or something, but you have to feel something. He didn't.

That disturbs me greatly because it says something about him being able to bury feelings and deep, deep feelings. So control the airwaves. He absolutely has a handle on that through the New Democratic Party. Distabilize the state with a crisis. Well, he helped fund Black Lives Matter, Occupy Wall Street. He has funded the riots in Berkeley. I mean, look at what he's done. And he is now funding the caravans.

That's really important to remember. So is he destabling the state with a crisis? Yes, little by little. Then provoke an election crisis. We were so close to an election crisis in the last three years or two years. We have been told that, this election was stolen, that this election wasn't legit, that this election was hacked by the Russians, and Donald Trump was part and parcel of that. They wanted this election crisis so

badly that when it has been proven that Donald Trump did not collude with the Russians, they're disappointed. They want it. They need it to. be true. That's critical. They need it to be true. Why? Because of number five, begin protests, have the streets start themselves on fire and accuse fraud. Now look at what's happening. Who gave the Russian dossier? It was the Clinton people. Hmm. Who started media matters with George Soros. Oh, that's right. It was the Clintons. Now we're starting to see this big move about the electoral college.

I have not checked into this, but I will bet you that big money is coming from George Soros on that front as well. And when we talk about accuse fraud and begin protests, do I need to say anything more than the women's march that happened the weekend of inauguration? What were they doing? He wasn't a legitimate president. So George Soros has done what he said he would do. This plays a role into what is happening on our border, and you have to understand it.

Now, let me give you one more chalkboard quick. This is the one that I said every day, the last year of Fox, every day, there was a chalkboard that I said, anarchists, Islamists, communist, and socialist would all work together. Last night on the TV show, I pointed out, the main problem with this, there were two problems. People said there would never be a caliphate. That was a pipe dream or some sort of whiskey nightmare. And they also said, Islamist and socialists would never work together.

Well, I kind of took that apart last night. Because what would you call AOC, a socialist? What is Alan Omar in Islamist? they seem to be working together, don't they? And what are those goals? Work together against Israel. Yeah, that's done. Work together against capitalism.

That's done. Work together to overturn stability. That's done. I said, this is at the time, the protests that these guys were working together on in the Middle East would become contagious. They would cascade. They would sweep the middle.

Middle East and it would lead to a caliphate. All of those things happen. But here's what they miss. It would then, the last part was it would begin to destabilize Europe and the rest of the world. Has Europe been destabilized? Yes. How has it been destabilized? Because of the protests that became contagious, that cascaded, that swept the Middle East, that caused the caliphate, all of those displaced people went someplace and they were all aided by people like George Soros and Hillary Clinton, you've got to take them, Europe. Without the caliphate, without the Middle East on fire, you wouldn't have had the mass migration, which would later then, as we now know, set the entire European continent on fire and lead to things like Brexit.

it. The last part of that is it would then spread to the rest of the world. That brings me to the border. And I have information that is you can look it up yourself. Who is doing the caravan? What is the real goal? Is this spontaneous? No. This is directly from what I said would happen. It is happening and my research department has buttoned it up and I will give you those facts in one minute. Okay, it is really important to understand that top down, bottom up, inside out is a movement that must have people in the government coordinating with the people on the ground to turn a country inside out, to tear it apart. it can be torn apart by accident. But to turn it inside out, it has to have carefully laid plans.

So last year, it was almost exactly a year ago that we started talking about the caravans. At the time, I said, these caravans are what is coming. Now, this is something that I have not told you, I think until this week. I've never said this on the air before. but I believe there is a time that is coming and Stu will tell you I've talked about this for

probably 10 years but I've never said it on the air I believe there is a time that is coming that our borders are going to be so overwhelmed and people are going to be coming into our country and it is going to change and become very ugly and people are going to demand their land back people from central and south America and Mexico are going to demand their land back and they will kill farmers and they will take that land. Now, I hope to God that that never happens. I haven't said that. I've believed that for 10 years plus, but I've not said that because there was no indication that that kind of stuff would happen except you have to extrapolate so much, but you are now getting real anger, you're getting desperation, and a volatile situation

to where you're starting to, you have people feeding people hatred. Our open borders policy, the sanctuary cities, the migrant caravans, they are all designed to overload the system, almost in a cloward and pivot way. And the president needs to understand and needs to fight this a different way. His instincts are right. He's fired everybody. His instincts are right. But I don't think he has anybody around him that can tell him what the root of the problem is.

You will never fix a broken arm with painkillers. You have to fix the root of the problem. The best of the Glenn Beck program. Hey, it's Glenn. And I want to tell you about something that you should either end your day with or start your morning with. And that is the news and why it matters. If you like this show, you're going to love the news and why it matters. It's a bunch of us that all get together at the end of the day and just talk about the stories that matter to you and your life.

The news and why it matters. Look for it now wherever you download your favorite podcast. Blake Harris, he's an author of a book, The History of the Future, Oculus, Facebook, and the revolution that swept virtual reality. I am so fascinated by virtual reality because it is once you really experience great virtual reality you see how powerful this is going to be I mean I don't see people really

leaving their house very much after virtual reality quite honestly but the story of the guy who came up with Oculus has really been lost I didn't even know this and it is a fascinating story Blake is here with us now. Hi, Blake. How are you? Hey, I'm great. Thank you so much for having me on. And I'm glad that you've tried good virtual reality and seen that it's going to change the future. Oh, my gosh, it is. And I'm not sure. I mean, it's going to change it in good ways. And I also see us kind of ending up like what was that Pixar movie where they're all big fat on a spaceship.

Oh, and Wally. Yeah, Wally. I mean, I can see us all kind of turning into that as well. And we'll get into that here in a second. Can you just tell us the story of Oculist and what happened? And who first invented that and the story of this kid? Sure. So this all happened back in 2012, so seven years ago. And, you know, for however much your listeners know about virtual reality now, back then,

even less people knew or cared about it, you know, essentially back in 2012 virtual reality, was a technological punchline along the lines of, you know, flying cars or jetpack. Correct. The thing that was like, you know, a sci-fi trope that was maybe going to happen, but never did. And it was simply that we ever thought it would. And most people had just given up caring about it thinking it would happen, except there was a young man out there, a guy named Palmer Lucky, which is a real name, even though it sounds kind of like a fictional character name that's perfect for my book. And so this kid, this 19-year-old kid, Paul Mur Lucky, he was living in a trailer in Long. Beach, California, and he was just obsessed with virtual reality. He once described his trailer to me,

and I said, Palmer, that basically sounds like the mess fan on Breaking Bad, except your trailer has been retrofitted to build virtual reality headset. He said, yeah, that's pretty much exactly what it looked like. So, yeah, so imagine this little 19-year-old mad scientist building virtual reality headsets and he basically like cracked the code that had alluded so many uh scientists and tech people and sci-fi lovers for years and uh built this virtual reality headset called the oculus wrist and it and you know i would say the rest is history but the rest is a a book the rest is uh this company oculus that less than two years later he sold the facebook for over two billion dollars and um you know we're still in early phases of virtual reality and where it's headed but uh you know you really got

admire the young man for having this ambition and this passion for this thing that we all thought was kind of silly back then. Okay. So I was at Facebook right after they purchased this, and they were all excited. It's coming, it's coming, it's coming, it's coming. And then you don't hear anything about it. And we're still waiting for real good virtual reality. What to hell happen?

Well, the Facebook, if it all, had a really big impact. So back then, you know, a large part of Palmer's motivation, was that he is a he is and he was a gamer. And so for him, he wanted to just step through the computer screen and actually enter a game and feel like it was all around him. And so gaming was the initial focus. You know, they did a Kickstarter campaign. They thought they were going to try to raise $400,000.

They raised $3 million. And, you know, their slogan was stepped into the game. So it was all about gaming. And then once they sold the Facebook, you know, Facebook's interest was not so much to gaming. It was insert, whatever you want to describe, you know, social engineer or, you know, communication, whatever the case may be. And so that's a big part of why it's stalled out for the past few years. But they actually are releasing a headset called the Oculus Quest, which is going to be the most affordable and most technologically sophisticated headset that is going to cost $400.

And that comes out next month. And then you have the big question that I keep getting asked by people is this is by far the best, most affordable headset, but Facebook owes it and I don't trust them. What should I do? Should I buy it? And I don't have a very good answer to that right now. It's amazing how Facebook has just blown their trust. Let me ask you something off topic, and then I'll get back to the story. Mark Zuckerberg keeps saying things like, you know what?

We're going to come out with this product. We're going to do this product. And then that doesn't happen. Is he even in control of his own company anymore? I'm absolutely in control of his own company. Really? Okay. More than any other CEO. You know, Mark announced about a year and a half ago that he was doing,

that he was going to give 99% of his money away to charity, which sounds a lot nicer and simpler than it actually is, not to say there's a nefarious plot behind it, but basically he still has. has the majority voting share because of how we structured the stock. And I would say that Facebook is more like a dictatorship than any other Silicon Valley company that I've ever researched. And I'm sure we'll get to it in terms of why Palmer ended up leaving Facebook against

his will and the politics of it all. But that was really all driven by Mark directly. Yeah, because the politics of it are really interesting. There's a Trump tie to the story. And it's a fascinating one. It's one we've heard many times in other industries. It's fascinating that it is this level and you've never heard it. We'll get to that.

Blake, we're going to take a one minute break and then we'll come back. The name of the book that is laying this out is The History of the Future by Blake Harris. We'll continue our conversation with him in just a second. Talking to Blake Harris, the book is The History of the Future. I would also highly recommend his book Console Wars. I mean, he's a great author. Blake is with us. And so far, Blake, really what you have here is a great American entrepreneurial story, right?

This kid who isn't a trailer, he brings a virtual reality from nothing to a $2 billion sale at Facebook. You know, the technology is questionable about where it's going at this point with Facebook. But the exit of the inventor of this is a fascinating story. Yeah, I mean, to me, I don't know how to know you're always by writing, but everything I write, I always try to write with my grandmother in mind. You know, how could I get her interested in this text story? How can I get her interested in Sega and Tendos? And so to me, this was always just a story of the American Dream in 2012, 2012, 2016, 2019,

more so than it was about virtual reality. And then the final third of the book becomes this other monstrosity, which I guess might actually be a good lens into the perversion of the American Dream, just with how politics weighs into everything. But I also just want to say, you mentioned right before the break that it's sort of astonishing how much Facebook has burned our trust over the past few years. And that's true for me. You know, they gave me unprecedented, almost unlimited access. So I had a pretty high opinion of them just for my own selfish reasons.

But what I came to discover during my research before my access was eventually cut off because of what I discovered was just really immoral. and terrible. And I should mention that, you know, I'm a lifelong liberal, not offend at all of Trump. So, you know, as we'll get into now, like what I found, you know, I certainly wasn't looking for a sympathetic Trump supporter story, but that's what I found. Wow. Okay, so tell us the story. Sure.

So in September of 2016, so this was like six weeks before the presidential election, There was an article that came out about Palmer Lucky, about the inventor of Oculus, and the headline was Facebook billionaire, secretly funding Trump's meme machine. And the insinuation explicitly and implicitly was that, you know, every terrible meme that you've seen online for the past election season, everything misogynistic, anti-Semitic, hateful, etc. That Palmer was like running a troll factory and that he was the person behind it all. and that just wasn't true at all. The truth was that he made a slightly less than $10,000 donation to a political organization that was pro-Trump that was planning to put up billboards across the country.

And that, you know, I always kind of wonder how people would have reacted if they just had known the truth because in Silicon Valley, they might have reacted just as badly. But anyway, he's so unpopular, it's such a short amount of time, to the extent that, you know, one of my favorite publications, at least previously, wired, you know, you'd think sort of an even-headed-up publications, not sensationalistic. Their headlines in the midst of this was that Palm's, their headlines that Palmer Lucky is the worst.

That's it. Palmer Lucky is the worst. And so there was this, you know, PR crisis. And naturally, you know, Palmer wanted to write a statement to set out what was true and what was not true about the media reports and to say that he was a Trump supporter, but that, you know, this trolling thing and all these other aspects were not true. So he wrote a statement. This happened on a Thursday night. He was not allowed to post it. He was not allowed to say that he was a Trump supporter as it went up to flagpole at Facebook to the executive level, which I found, you know,

initially hard to believe that that was actually the case. But then I certainly believed it was the case because I was able to finally obtain the email record. of it. And I learned that the reason that it took so long from to post his eventual statement was that Mark Zuckerberg weighed in. Mark Zuckerberg personally drafted the statement that Palmer had to post, and the statement that he drafted said that Palmer would be voting for Gary Johnson. So not Trump. That was too unacceptable to say he was a Trump supporter. And so he had to post a statement saying that he supported Gary Johnson, written by Mark himself. And, you know, He did that in order to save his job.

Wait, wait, wait, wait. But he wasn't voting for Gary Johnson. It's illegal and unethical that he would be directed by the head of one of the most powerful organizations to say that he was supporting a politician that he wasn't. Wow. Yeah. So I couldn't believe it myself. So wait a minute.

So how is it that a guy with $2 billion from Facebook, doesn't sue Facebook for this. Doesn't press charges. Well, part of it was at the time, you know, I interviewed over 200 people for the book, and so I talked to some of the people that he confided to and asked for advice from about should he post a statement that was illegal and that he didn't agree with.

And their response was basically, yes, you know, you could sue Facebook and potentially win, but you wouldn't be at the company anymore, and it would take years. And more than anything, Palmer wanted to, remained at the company. You know, it was his baby. It was what he gets done with most of his adult life. Granted, it was a short adult life at that time. You know, he was only 24. But, but, yeah, I mean, he has a very strong case if he ever wants to pursue legal action.

I assume that he signed an NDA of some kind that prevents that when he's eventually fired. but yeah he was eventually fired he basically after he posted that statement he was put on permanent vacation Facebook employees were told that Palmer wanted to take time off of work it was framed as Palmer's decision one of my favorite and saddest moments is Palmer's waiting to come back a couple weeks later

and he's participating in a town hall call my conference or actually not participate because he was not allowed to interact with anyone. And he was listening, and he found out during this meeting that he had asked for six more weeks of vacation. Okay, hang on, hang on, hang on. I've got to take a break. We'll come back. This is nuts behind the scenes inside of Facebook and Palmer Lucky, the guy who invented Oculus and how he was forced out because he was a Trump supporter.

The name of the book is History of the Future. We're talking to Blake Harris, who's really fascinating. He's written a book called The History of the Future, Oculus, Facebook, and The Revolution that swept virtual reality. But it is interesting to me that he is a liberal, doesn't necessarily like Donald Trump, and really liked Facebook going in, had unprecedented access.

And then when the international, inventor of oculus this this entrepreneur this you know 20-some-year-old kid sells to facebook and the and the the election heats up all of a sudden he is in trouble with facebook and they force him to put out a deal it says he's not voting for trump he's voting libertarian when that wasn't the truth he plays ball he's he's told to go take a vacation. They, they frame it as he's decided to. He's on a conference call.

And he finds out that he had asked for even more vacation. And you know what's coming at the end of this. We, we pick it back up with Blake Harris, who, Blake, I have to tell you, I love people who,

you know, I may disagree with, sometimes vehemently on things, but are open-minded enough to go, well, yeah, but this part is true or this part is true, and just let the chips fall where they may. You're a very rare species. I don't know if you know that.

No, thank you. And unfortunately, I've come to realize that or to believe that that is the case. You know, my book was originally due to Harper Collins. The manuscript was due in September of 2016, the same month that this all went down. And I ended up spending an extra two years, you know, for no pay, working on this thing, because this is a crazy story. And you mentioned earlier that, you know, you hadn't really heard about this. And it sounds kind of bonkers because, you know, every other Facebook scandal to date,

Mark Zuckerberg is not directly involved. He could always sort of throw up his arms and say, oh, I didn't know or, you know, that was some other person's fault. But he is the one who personally wrote this statement, which was just bad for him to even put that in email. And, you know, you're like, how is this not national news? It's not breaking news. But then I talk to other journalists, and I understand why. These are journalists I know under the context of they read my first book about Sega Nintendo and loved it.

So I think they have a somewhat positive opinion of me. And I reached out to a lot of them to tell them that they had the story wrong. And they, and I offered to some evidence. I told them I was the only person who actually interviewed all the participants in this and had all the archival information. And they basically said, yeah, but who cares? he's a Trump supporter. So maybe it's an accurate.

But she's. And, you know, if I had told that to my mom and she said that, I still would be kind of bummed that she didn't care about what was true or what was not. But these are journalists. This is their job. And then when I told them, you know,

not only was the reporting about Palmer wrong, but the reason he was fired was for political discrimination, they almost laughed by saying, yeah, but that's not the kind of discrimination I care about. And yeah, political discrimination is perhaps, probably, you know, less of a persistent issue than other forms of discrimination. But when it happens, it's still bad. We can all agree upon that. I thought, no, apparently not.

So are you finding anyone starting to wake up, Blake? Is there anyone? Because, I mean, I know on the right, I have found a few people that are, in fact, several, that are, are like, I'm out. I'm done with this. I'll call balls and strikes and, you know, my side screws up. I don't care. I will say that they're screwed up here because this is insane. Are you finding anybody that is starting to open their eyes to what is being created? Unfortunately, less you'd expect. You know, being a liberal and existing in probably some sort of, you know, liberal bubble, election day was a wake-up call. For me, you know, I was very upset, but my thought was, okay, you know, the voice of half the country, the majority, the electoral college has spoken, I should actually listen to them because I find Trump repugnant, but they don't. And they are my fellow citizens. Let me figure out what I'm missing.

And I tried to do that. And I feel like for the 24 hours after the election, a lot of other liberals were in a similar vote of, you know, we've got to talk to the other side. And then they instead decided to just double down. and say, no, no, these people are just stupid or they don't understand that there's already against their self-interest or whatever. And so you would have thought that more people would be waking up and just want to call balls and strikes

and say, all right, I don't like Trump or I don't agree with his approach on this, but I actually think a strategy here was a good one. And that's not the case. Like, you mentioned right before you had me on that your show from last night was now on YouTube talking about the border. in a non-political way, and I found myself almost laughing because on the left, there's no such such thing as non-political.

Yeah. Specifically, in Silicon Valley, you know, there was a story last week that two weeks ago, Google had put together an ethics for it for artificial intelligence. This is crazy. That sounds like a pretty good idea. Yeah, really good. Within less than a week later, it was disbanded because there was so much outrage internally at Google because one of the participants was a conservative.

Yeah, the Heritage Foundation, which is not the Heritage Foundation. foundation. You've got to be kidding me. That's a radical group to them. Exactly. And that's really what I found in so many ways. And it seats into so much of what Facebook does as a company internally and also externally in the product. It's like this idea that, yeah, all opinions, all political opinions are equal. But then this animals aren't best way. It's like, yeah, but some are more equal than others. And, you know, every conservative perspective is, it's not just another opinion. It's not. a different way of looking at things. It's not they might be right, I might be right. It's just a

value judgment. You know, if you do it one by one, it's all wrong. It's all harmful. It's all needs to be fought against, which is kind of crazy. Because, you know, is it concern you that, is it concern you that the people like this are Zuckerberg, a guy who you went in admiring, uh, the power that they have and now the, the, the growing collusion or, partnering with the United States government. Does that keep you up at night? It does. I haven't slept very well, Glenn.

I haven't slept very well. No, it does. Yeah, I mean, I think you see now that people, you know, Facebook is no longer the tech darling, you know, maybe connecting the world didn't turn out to be the best idea. Now people are starting to look into Facebook and discover these scandals. A lot of times there's things that happened years ago. And it's not surprised if these things happened.

It's such a sloppy company. And they don't, like, I guess one of the first ways that I really realized that what I was in covering actually fit with the culture there was, you know, one of their top executives who'd been there since the beginning, he would routinely share stories during the election season. I'm like, there's no such thing as a good Trump supporter. Well, I mean, there's Trump supporters of Facebook. They learned pretty quickly not to talk about it. In fact, you know, the Palmer one is kind of interesting because four months before, you know, he was outed as a Trump supporter as the worst person, you know, part of the issue was that he made his donation for $10,000 anonymously.

And four months earlier, he had been at a Trump rally and been willing to appear on camera at Trump rally. You know, like he seemed to have no issue with being associated with Trump. But then in between what happened was Peter Thiel was revealed to be a Trump supporter. Everyone at Facebook, not everyone, a lot of people at Facebook tried to get him fired off to the board for that reason alone. And not just employees, but Reed Hastings, the CEO of Netflix, who was also a board member, believed that that demonstrated enough bad judgment that Peter should not be on the board. And so Palmer realized, oh, I should probably not be vocal about my support. And that was probably wise because when it was revealed, they were the Trump supporter,

he didn't end up at the company anymore. Blake, two more for me. First of all, you know, the idea that every, there's no such thing as a good Trump supporter was pretty widespread at this time, particularly in the media and through a lot of these tech companies. And obviously that's, you know, a completely unfair thing. However, at that time, there was a lot of really bad stuff on the internet that was associated with Trump supporters.

Was there any evidence that Palmer Lucky participated in anything really bad when it comes to, you know, some of the darkest sides of that election? Absolutely not. And I have essentially staked my career on this. So, you know, like I said, I spent an extra two years on this. I didn't just willy-nilly decide, oh, no, he's a good guy or he didn't do anything wrong. Like, I looked very deeply into his online activities and spent, I think, like, 20 hours interviewing the founder of the organization that he donated to because, you know, it was

alleged these are white supremacists and I didn't want to just have one phone calls because, you know, who knows, maybe he was lying to me to try to protect his image. But the, like, I've spoken to Palmer almost every day for the past three years. I've spent years looking into all the stuff. There's no evidence of any wrongdoing. And I would bet my life that he did not do anything, like, that we would consider beyond the pale or, you know, unacceptable. Wow. And the last one, Blake, is you mentioned it about your career. Do you have one after this book? Because not only are you fighting for a Trump supporter, which is not something you're supposed to be doing. But also, you know, you got access to Facebook. You were able to get an incredibly detailed account because of that access. And now you've, you know, because you're being honest here, you know, they are no longer going to be fans of yours. People in the future are going to be hesitant to give you access to the next thing. Yep, what I expect to happen. But, you know, the only thing I published while I was sort of undercover Facebook for these past couple years was an article called,

This is How Safe News Happens. And it was all publicly available information. I wanted everyone to just be able to see, here's what we, here's what actually happened. And here's how it was reported. And here's how this crazy game of telephone happened to make it even worse. And the response to that, you know, was like 50% of people saying, oh, thank you for. pointing out that the media messed up here with Palmer, and then 50% of people calling me a Nazi, even though, you know,

happily bar mitzvah, I think that's weird. I would be a strange choice. I got the Defender of Israel Award from Benjamin Atteniahu, and I also am anti-Semitic somehow or another, so. And so, you know, people call me Nazi, white supremacist, whatever, complicit, blah, blah. And that was the reaction I kind of expected, but instead what happened is that it's been almost 100% positive. And then there's just been silence from, like, you know, my first book won, like, gaming awards,

and I was named like a gaming personality of the year. And as of now, the book's been out for a month or so, and there has been zero coverage of it on any tech or gaming mainstream website. Wow. Wow. That is incredible. I'm surprised there's not more pickup, too, from conservative media on it because, I mean, here's the thing. That was not your goal, but, I mean, it is a really big story. Here is the thing. This is an amazing book. I already own a book. I'm holding a copy of it, but this I got from the, this I got from the publisher.

Let me just show this so you know that I'm telling you the truth. I just ordered another copy on Amazon because I want to support you. You and I probably disagree politically on, I don't know, 90% of stuff. It doesn't matter. We have to have people who are willing to open their eyes and see the truth. and let the chips fall where they may. I ask every member of this audience. If you have Kindle, it'll cost you $14. I don't know how much it is as a hardbound. But buy this book. A, it's a great book.

You're going to really enjoy it. It's an unbelievable story. But you're also supporting somebody who needs the support. Somebody who doesn't agree with you, but is willing to tell the truth. We have to reward those people on both sides. that are trying to do their best. Blake, I really admire you, and I hope that we can meet.

I'd love to have you on for a podcast, but I really admire you, and congratulations. Thank you and let us know any way we can help you. Thank you so much. I really appreciate it. You bet. Take care.

You bet. Blake Harris, the history of the future, the history of the future. That is a crazy story. How is that not a bigger deal? And I, you know, on conservative media, for example, how is that? I mean, the guy invented something that's game-changing. Facebook buys it for $2 billion and he gets forced out because he went to a Trump rally and that is not everywhere?

How am I not seeing that on Twitter? I'm seeing this about people. I saw four stories today about people harassing people in a Trump hat. Yeah. This is a guy. This is way bigger than. This is, this is gigantic. This is illegal, as Blake said.

Yeah. This is illegal what they did. And nothing, nothing? Wow. This book, if you are a fan of other shows on the right, urge them to have Blake on to tell this story. This is a very important story. This tells you everything you need to know about Silicon Valley.

Listen to this guy. He's not on our side. He's a liberal, but he was disgusted by what he saw. And he's telling the truth. We have to help him get the word out. Please buy this book, The History of the Future. I'd love to see this go up. I don't even know where it is on the charts.

It's probably nowhere on the charts. Let's help him. The History of the Future by Blake Harris. This is the best of the Glenn Beck program. During the State of the Union, Donald Trump introduced a guy named Matthew Charles. He was one of the first people released under the First Step Act. And he has an amazing story. He was arrested for selling crack cocaine, and he spent 21 years in prison on a 35-year prison sentence.

He was released in 2016. He walks out of prison with nothing, but he changes his life. And he had never had any infractions, any write-ups at all in prison. He was a model citizen. He had turned his life over to Christ. He goes out, and he starts, you know, immediately getting involved in his community. in his church. Then he finds out, in May of 2018, two years later, that was a mistake. You have to go back and serve the remaining decade back in prison. He doesn't throw a fit. He goes back. He goes back.

He was one of the first released on the new criminal justice reform, and we're thrilled to have him, Matthew, welcome to the program. How are you, sir? Is Matthew there? Yes, I am. Hi, how are you, sir? How are you doing, sir? I'm doing okay. I'm great. It is great to talk to you. I remember when they sent you back, and I read that story, and I thought, how is this happening? First of all, the guys turned into a model citizen, and how is he dealing with that? When you heard you had to go back and serve 10 years, What was that like? I was disappointed, a little bit discouraged,

because at the time I had already served nearly 22 years and had been out for two years, and because the government had appealed it and successfully won, I was being sent back, and the fact that they couldn't take into account any rehabilitation that had taken place within me during that period caused me to be very disappointed and discouraged. Now, why couldn't they take into account,

anything that you had done and anything that you had become? Because at the time, there was no actually incentives for rehabilitation. It was just about incapacitation where you take a person out of society for a particular period of time. And then when that time is up, whether they are changed or not, you release them. And because I was released based on the changes made to the 2010 sentencing guidelines, they had not been made retroactive to me. So therefore, I was still required to serve 85% of my sentence. Oh, my gosh.

Oh, my gosh. So, Matthew, you got back into prison. And how long were you in prison before this prison justice reform happened? It took seven months. I went back May 14th and was released January 3rd. And how did you find out about, you know, when you were released? Where were you? What happened?

I was in a contestant. Kentucky at a holding facility waiting to go back to federal prison to serve that remained in 10 years. And during the time that I was re-arrested, I was being held in Kentucky. And at the time, the inmates there were speaking about the First Step Act. And they were talking about the different incentives that it had as well as the discretion that the judges had in their own courtrooms to go below the mandatory minimums. But I didn't know that it was going to actually affect me until late November. early December when I seen that one of the provisions was that it made retroactive the changes to the 2010 sentencing guideline. And so did you apply for it? Did somebody else apply? The Public Defender's

Office in Nashville, Tennessee, Mr. Michael Holland, Ms. Mariah Wooten, because they were already appealing my reincorceration, they had already had petitions before the court. So once President Donald Trump signed it December the 21st and it became applicable after his signature. They just went on to file the motion to the district court since they were already doing filings on my behalf asking them to release me based on the first step act. So Matthew, it, I mean, I'd like to hear you talk about the, I was sitting in the chamber during the state of the union. First of all, how did you get there?

Did the president call you? How did you end up at the state of the union? It would have been nice to get a call director from the president, but I had actually been invited by his staff via email. I was invited twice. I was invited to the first one, but it didn't take place because there was a government shutdown. And the second time, they re-invited me.

And once I went there, I was able to go to the White House and meet him prior to going over to the state of the union at the Congress. So it was an experience, but I had actually got the invite from his staff home, his wife, Melania Trump's behalf. So now you are, you're sitting there. The president speaks about you. We all stand up and give you a standing ovation. What was that moment like to a guy who had spent 21 years in prison? Nobody was thinking of.

you are your release then you're pulled back and the system is just grinding you down what was that moment like to have the president tell your story have you stand up and every you know the the members of congress and the senate and and the and the white house the justices everybody standing up giving you a round of applause uh it was a moment that would never be forgotten by me. It was like I was in awe. The only thing, as you was expressing those words, the picture that came to my mind was like a cartoon character where the roof of the head of the character just takes off and shoots toward the sky because it was like unbelievable. So for me, it just felt like that. It was pleasantly overwhelmed. I was like, wow, just completely amazed.

Never thought in a million years that I would be at the state of the union, let alone having President Trump to actually speak about that and state welcome home to me. I will tell you that what it said to me is I was watching you stand there and in the same room with you. As I'm watching that, I thought this is what the American justice system should be. The guy committed a crime. He not only paid for it, but he went and he was really. reformed and he found redemption and he found his way.

And he's now welcome back into society with open arms with the president of the United States saying, welcome back. Welcome back home. Yes, sir. Tell me about the pastor. Tell me about your conversion from, you know, guy that belonged in prison to guy that didn't belong in prison. What it took place was I got arrested in December of 1995 for selling crack cocaine. And once I was arrested and taken to the county jail, I was just there awaiting pretrial and sentencing.

But there was a guy there named Jesus Duran who actually had got his sentence and was being transported out. So he had left me some hygiene items, you know, soap, deodorant, toothpaste. and he also left me a Bible. And it was a Brown Gideon's King James Bible. So I didn't even know he had it because we spoke about religion or anything of that nature. So I accepted the gift study game and he left, but I started reading the Bible. And through reading the Bible, it started coming, I guess, to reality and awaken my spiritual side of me. And I started attending Bible study classes at the county jail.

And the preacher would come in and do the Bible study and they often left true. tracks on how to receive salvation. So I took one of the tracks and I continued to read that Bible on my own time because, you know, in the county jail, you got a lot of time on your hands. So therefore, that led me to stating the words that were on the track, then going to the Bible study classes and openly professed my faith before them as well. And that decision that I made in February of 1996, I want to say two months after I was arrested and placed in the county jail, change my life forever and everything. You still had 21 years before you would see the light of day.

And when you get out, it's hard for somebody like you to get a job and to acclimate. How did you stay the path? It was because of my faith in Christ. Once I made that decision to surrender my life and heart over to the Lord Jesus Christ, I had, I would say, all of God's help as all of God's children knew. So therefore, with God's help, I was able to make the right decisions. I was able to be guided and protected by God during that time of my incarceration. Because at that time, I didn't know I was going to serve 21 and 22 years.

I was expected to serve 31 or 32 years because I had a 35-year sentence. Matthew, you know, this is such an amazing story. And, you know, in the middle of kind of this, you know, somewhat divisive time that we're in. and it's hard to find the path forward. Glenn, you've been talking about this forever. There's only really one solution to this. Yeah, I mean, you look at the world to what it was in 1995. It's a different America, isn't it, Matthew?

Oh, yes, it is. Very much so. And we've been looking for solutions. We keep going back and forth, and the only thing I can think of is that we've got to turn back to God. And it seems so trite. It seems so simple. It's so simple.

people will dismiss it, but it's the only answer that will save us because we have to return to the principles of just be decent to each other, just be good to each other. Let's not lie. Let's not cheat. Let's not steal. And that's correct, because through, like I said, through the Bible, through being a Christian and the experience itself, it shows us how to love one another as well as respect one another. And as you stated, there is a different society than 1995. There's a lot of divisiveness and things of that nature. So I would say that the only thing that really going to bring true harmony and peace is once everyone or someone surrenders themselves over to the Lord. Matthew, you were the beneficiary of a very rare bipartisan moment as you were able to get out

because of what President Trump and Jared Kushner in particular fought very hard for as long as I mean, it was, it's really an amazing story. What do you think the next step? Is there more that needs to be done in this area of criminal justice reform? Oh, yes, sir. There's a lot more that needs to be done because there are still those that are incarcerated that the First Step Act won't even affect because they've already done served the same amount of time I have or a little bit less than that, but they still have the extensive sentence

that they receive under the harsh of penal system, whereas the sentence or the punishment is not equivalent or in proportion to the crime they actually committed. So there's the things that we need to do to be able to reach forth and help those people who have also changed and want a second chance. And then also those that are now coming into getting in trouble and going through the court system and in the prison, we need to see what type of treatments are diversion to incarceration. Maybe they may have a mental illness or a drug addiction where they need treatment and, you know, medicine for as opposed to just incarcerating.

What do you think the percentages of people that are in the prison system that are just mentally unwell? They're just, this is, this is a mental illness. I would say anywhere from 30 to 40 percent of those because at the time, yeah, and it's sad to see them there because it's like they're in a completely different world, but yet they're placed in the same, sometimes violent atmosphere, like the violent, are or the regular inmates are. And then because they have those mental problems, they really are not able to cope and they either get hurt or hurt somebody. And at the time, there was no

separate place to put these people. They committed a crime. They need to pay for the crime they committed. So the only thing that was available at the time was giving them a sentence and putting them in prison with everybody else. Wow. Matthew, thank you so much. God bless you. And I'm glad you're out. And as the president said, welcome home. Okay. Thank you. And I appreciate it. And God bless you. Matthew Charles. It's a good way to add some lightness to your day. The Blaze Radio Network on demand.