The Glenn Beck Program - Best of the Program | Guests: Clay Travis & Wade Miller | 8/6/26

Episode Date: August 6, 2026

Glenn discusses the horrifying and tragic story of Perez Hilton’s latest emotional breakdown that ended with him in the hospital after going live on TikTok allegedly showing himself engaging in self-harm. Glenn encourages his audience to pray for Perez Hilton and his family as they work through this tragedy. Center for Renewing America Executive Director Wade Miller joins to discuss the dangers of the red-green alliance and the ways we can begin to dismantle it. Co-host of “The Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Show” Clay Travis joins to discuss his plan to create a 100% transgender WNBA team called the “Nashville Balls.”  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Great, great show. You should listen to the whole thing, but if you only have a few minutes here, let me give you the best of. I talk about Perez Hilton. I didn't talk about him yesterday because I didn't know exactly how to approach it and what to show and what not to show. And so I went back to history, and I found the answer. What's happening with Perez Hilton is so disturbing and so sad. But we've been here before. And I want to tell you and give you the historical pin on this one, it will change the way you look at exactly what is happening with Perez Hilton.

Also, I spoke to Wade Miller. Wade is, he's just written a great piece for the Center for Renewing America on the Red, Green Alliance. And this is what I put on the chalkboard in 2010. The Islamists and the Marxists and the communists and the radicals. We'll all gather together and work against Israel, the United States of America, capitalism to destroy the Western way of life. It didn't have a name back then. It does now. It's called the Red Green Alliance.

And just yesterday, the Senate had a hearing on the effect of the Muslim Brotherhood on our politics in America. Muslim Brotherhood is really a nasty organization. And the DSA. You know how many Democrats showed up for that hearing? None. None. You need to understand what Wade is saying, this is a civilizational killer, and you need to understand, and he has some things that you can do. The last thing is, well, I had Clay Travis on, because Clay, who is the host of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton show right after my show on the Premier Radio Network, he's come up with the most inclusive basketball team for the NBA.

It's called the Nashville Balls. And it would finally be men breaking the glass ceiling for women. It's an all-trans woman. Is that the right way to put it? They're men, but they're calling them so trans women, men, whatever. The Nashville Balls. And we talked to him about that all of today's podcast. Listening to the best of the Blenbeck program.

So it's Tuesday night, Miami. Perez Hilton. He's alone in his house. He's live on TikTok. I won't describe what happened next enough to say it's a horror show, an absolute horror show. He's cutting himself. And it looks demonic. It really does.

He's covered in blood. And thousands of people watched it happen. He's alive. It's been verified. It's not AI. It's not a trick. He's in the hospital. All kinds of lacerations.

He's also undergoing psychiatric evaluation. His family put out a statement asking for privacy and thanking people for their prayers. His own manager said Wednesday they still have not been able to reach him. Now, as I told you, for five months before Tuesday, this is the part that's worth your time. In March, he got the flu. He took his medication without food and it burned a hole in his stomach. Ulcer perforated. He went septic and spent 21 days in a hospital in Las Vegas and nearly died twice.

he got a blood clot in his leg, another procedure. So close to death twice. He came out of that, and as I just played for, he told the world God had presented himself to him. He was careful about the wording. He said it was not a feeling. He said he grew up Catholic, baptized, First Communion, confirmed seven years of Jesuit school.

That's a problem. And then that he had never really been a believer until now. And he said God had been calling out to him for years, and he no longer needed to hope. He said, I have it. And he said, I started to take my kids to church every single week. Then he posted a nine-minute video apologizing. This is a man who built his empire out of cruelty.

He made his money for 20 years drawing on photographs of people's faces. And he said, my mistakes are public. The internet is forever. Receipts are forever. I carry deep, regret, and shame. And then he publicly and privately apologized to dozens of people. And he said there were still people out there that wanted me to suffer and pay. And he said, that's valid.

I earned those thoughts, but I forgive myself. In June, he said God told him to move to Miami, and he took his three kids, all under 14, back to the city where he grew up. On July 22nd, on Instagram, he was grinning, reading Bible verses about the value of work, joking that scripture says, work, work, work, both centuries before Rihanna said it.

Monday, he posts something else about stepping away from the spotlight, and he closed it by wishing well to anyone out of the world. there who is hurting. Then Tuesday night comes. Miami-Dade Sheriff's Office start getting calls. This is, is, is, is this the case of illness? Let me make that case.

Look at the load the man was carrying. Septus that nearly killed him. Three weeks in bed, emergency surgery, a clot, emergency surgery, a single father of three small children with no second parent in the house, tore up his life in Las Vegas after three and a half years, moves across the country, five weeks ago

Cameron, he tells his audience, he's in a spiral, he's anxious, he's overwhelmed, he feels the devil is coming after him. The body does things to the mind. It does. Critical illness, septus, long ICU stays. They leave people in real cognitive and psychiatric damage and it shows up sometimes weeks or months later. Add sleeplessness, a move, no support system. The man had just spent five months publicly excavating his 20 years of shame in front of his own audience. Okay, bad, bad. I'd say the same thing about a lot of what we're watching all the time. The young man charged with shooting an insurance executive on the Manhattan sidewalk. Young man charged with killing Charlie Kirk, the men who, after President Trump, when the mind arrives at a place where killing a stranger is the logical next step,

something in that mine has come apart. Okay. So we could leave it at that. We believe that this is medical, okay? And it very well might be. Prosecutors, in those cases, argue ideology, not illness, manifestos, planning rehearsal. That is, that isn't confusion, that's conviction, okay? And I think all of this can be true, and that's the uncomfortable part.

Ideology doesn't create the sickness. It gives the sickness a target and a script, and it hands a disordered mind, a reason, and a costume. Okay. Now here's the part that people are going to get wrong, one way or another, okay? And I'm not going to tell you what's inside of his head. I'm not going to tell you what's going on because I don't know. You don't know. His doctors barely know.

Anybody who goes on television or in podcast this week's in diagnosis, either chemical or a demon in a stranger that you've never met is selling you something. I'm saying, just pray for him, whatever it is. But I wanted to point something out because of him, but separate from him. 15 minutes. Thousands of people. Some of them begged him to stop.

Some of them just hit record. Some of them reposted it specifically so it would outlive the takedown. And it did. TikTok says its automated systems flagged the stream within minutes and then routed it to human moderators. And then, in their words, a moderator error caused a delay in the removal. A moderator error. which means somebody had it up on a screen and they decided not to stop it.

A man bleeding, an audience, and a machine engineered to gather the crowd and hold it there. You can call that technology if you want, but it's the oldest architecture in the history of man. And we've been here before. I really wrestled with the reason why I didn't talk about this yesterday is because I really wrestled with this. I went back to Augustine, 1600 years. years ago, Augustine writes down what happened to his best friend. His name was Alapaias. He was young, gifted, studying law in Rome. One afternoon, all of his friends grabbed him and drag him to the Coliseum for the games. And he fought them the whole way. He said, you can haul my body into that

place, but you cannot make me watch it. I will be there, but I will be absent. And he sat down in the amphitheater and he shut his eyes. Then something really gruesome, Happened. Man goes down in the sand and the entire crowd roars at once. And Alapius opens his eyes. Augustine says his friend took a wound in the soul deeper than the wound the fighter took in his body. And he drank it in. He was not the man who had walked through that gate. He was now one of the crowd. And he came back to the crowd, to the Colosseum. And the next time he brought other people with him. Notice what got him.

Not the men who dragged him. Not the gladiator. It was the roar of the crowd that got him. What got him was the belief that he could sit in that room and not be in that room. Tuesday night, there were thousands of people in that room. Read what they wrote afterwards. I didn't go looking for it.

I wish I wouldn't have seen it. It's my job to see things and then decide what do I show you. But I'll tell you 1,600 years, the only thing that has changed is that the amphitheater fits in your hand. That the Coliseum is in your hand and it never closes.

So, make the case for evil. I think you can make case that evil is on a rampage. I think I have friends who are being affected by the dark side. And they all are friends that have just found

Christianity or found God. and I have warned one of my friends when he said, you know, I just started reading the Bible. I said, please be careful. Please be careful. Read it. Pray. Listen to him.

Read the words. But be careful what comes around you because you have a very strong voice. And Satan does not want your voice right now preaching God. Be very careful because you will come under attack in ways you cannot understand. I know I have been there. And when you least expect it, expect it. I've been in a hospital once, and they had me on so much medication. And I was at a spiritual high when I went in.

I had to have some surgery done. I was at a spiritual high. And they, I have very high tolerance. You know, I'll drink you under the table. I mean, I have such a high tolerance. I've woken up on the operating table twice. They just can't keep me down. And they couldn't keep me out of pain.

And so they gave me fentanyl and morphine and all kinds of stuff, this cocktail that should have killed me. But I was in the hospital from a spiritual high in 24 hours. I would have thrown myself out of the window because now this could be spiritual, I believe it was, could be just medication. But I swear to you, I heard, you think you know how I can destroy you. I will destroy your family and take it apart piece by piece. And in some ways, that has happened to my family. But I would have thrown myself out of that window. I'm telling you, I believe God is real.

But I believe Satan is just as real. And we are now in the battle of the big boys. And we can choose a side. I don't know if Perez, something. had taken hold of him or not. Maybe it was just sickness that had taken hold of him. I have no idea, neither do you. That's why I decided not to talk about him. I want to talk about, we've been here before. We're a civilization that is rebuilding the Coliseum, and we put it into every pocket of our children's clothes. We keep it open for 24 hours, and we call the roar engagement.

If you don't believe in evil, just call it an incentive structure. because the behavior is identical either way. That's rather the point. And believers, hear me, because we get this backward more often than not sometimes I think. The temptation is to look at a suffering man and see a demon and look at a sick man and see a sinner. Devil doesn't need to possess anybody to win Tuesday night. He just needs 15 minutes in a crowd that just can't look away. So let me give you three things, and I'm done here.

Don't watch it. Don't share it. Don't click on the repost that's captioned. You can't believe this. You can't shut down the amphitheater, but you can decline to be part of the roar. And that's the only vote that any of us get. Second, if somebody tells you God showed up in their hospital room,

that's not a symptom. Take them at their word. But keep watching them anyway. Conversion is not immunity. A real encounter with God does not exempt anyone from a body that has been through hell. And some of the most serious believers I've ever known have also needed doctors in bad ways. Those two sentences are not in cloned conflict. God is a healer.

God is a scientist. We have all of the capability. We can heal through our hands to some degree by using his power, him channeling through us. but we also need doctors. We've spent centuries now pretending one of them cancels out the other. It doesn't. And the third thing is, pray for him. Pray harder for the three kids who are under 14,

who are now going to grow up in a world where the worst night of their father's life is a file that somebody saved. Pray for all of those who are in positions and have future positions that they might not even know about. that are under attack, and then put down the device and pick it up when you've decided you're going to call that person you've been meaning to call for three weeks. Because somebody was in that live stream chat begging a stranger to stop.

There's very likely somebody closer to you that is waiting for a much smaller thing. You know, I was praying for Lord to inspire me the other day. I said, please, Lord, let me hear what people need to hear. And he always responds with something. It's never about politics or anything else. It's always personal. And what I got that day, and I shared it with the insider, is, and I want to share it now because I feel prompted to do it,

you're okay. You're okay. I don't know who this is for. Maybe it's for you. you're okay. There is a way out. Your life isn't over. You haven't made too many bad mistakes.

There is forgiveness. You're not too far gone. There are those who you don't know who are rooting for you. And I know that God is one of them. Believe it. More in a minute. This is the best of the Glenn Beck program. And don't forget, rate us.

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group out there. There's two of them. And I put, one of those, is the Center for Renewing America, and I would include citizens for renewing America as well. The executive director for both of those who has been a long-time supporter

and working at the side of Russ Vote, who I love. He's our OMB director. He is the executive director of both of those, the Center and the Citizens for Retuing America. He's just written an essay, if you will, or a white paper on the Red Green Alliance. I read it the other day,

and I think it is so important that you hear it because what I put on a chalkboard now is proven to be true. by people who are much smarter than I am, and Wade is one of those people. Wade, welcome to the program. Glad to have you. Thanks for having me on. And a lot of your work over the years has bled into what went into that white paper. You did talk about this long before anyone else did. So thank you for that. You're welcome. You know, I'm just glad that it has a name now.

The red for the communists, the green for the Islamist. and you know if I would have known history especially of 1920 or 1979 it would I would have had an answer for that and now we know that because of people like you tell me tell me what this alliance is and why it is so dangerous even for the people who are in it the murks so it's uh you know and the paper goes into much more detail of course but it's essentially a fusion of the Marxist left and the Islamist movement, the doctrinal Islam, as I would really define it. And so these two forces, yes, and these two forces basically have every single barrier and every single goal shy of their in-state desire is virtually the same. So there is a political convenience to them both aligning and working together because it requires the toppling of Western civilization, of capitalism, etc. Now, of course, at the end of this, what the Marxists never really quite figure out is that once they've achieved their goals, the Islamists kill them. They execute them. They get them out of the way. So it's not a durable alliance. It's a short-term means to an end. And I think that at the end of the day, the Islamists are playing the Marxists. And you see this manifesting itself in the form of Mamdani, who's kind of bold. He's a Marxist and an Islamist.

see people out there like Hassan Piker and other Islamists out there who are saying a lot of things. And I think that fundamentally the mistake we made, and some of it's understandable at the turn of the century, which is weird to say, but at the turn of the century, the focus was on Islamic terrorism. And when the focus is on Islamic terrorism, that's three to five percent of the population. And so then, therefore, the other 95 percent becomes victims, and they become asylum seekers, they become refugees, they're displaced, they go sent to Europe, they get sent to the United States. And so now in the last 20 years, almost incomprehensibly, we have a large population of Islamists. And the problem is that Islam is radicalized culturally.

It does not align with classical liberalism. It's a conquering ideology. It seeks to displace our system and replace it with Sharia and its own religious political ideology. And so, you know, that form of radicalism looks different if they're not a terrorist per se. So, for instance, you know, if you believe that if you leave the religion of Islam, that you should be tried in a court, you know, you get due process, you get a lawyer, but you should be found guilty. And the sentence for that should be death. You don't belong in America. You never should have been allowed in America in the first place.

And so we have this radicalized cultural Islamist movement that is in league with. the Marxist left. And of course, now we're seeing all of these DSA candidates pop out of the woodwork for the left and they're winning elections for Democrat primaries. And so we're seeing a surge of this entire movement. So yesterday, Congress or the Senate held a hearing on the influence of the Muslim Brotherhood, which is a nasty green organization. The influence of the Muslim Brotherhood and the DSA, not a sense. single Democrat showed up for that hearing. That should tell you something, shouldn't it? Absolutely. And the unwillingness, frankly, even of our side in many respects, to admit that the problem is much bigger than three to five percent or even acknowledge that there's a problem, even if it's just three to five percent, which is way more than that. The left won't even acknowledge the three to five and try to address that through public policy and national security means.

They ignore it. They'll call you a bigot for highlighting it. But the problem is, is that the Radicalism is way more than that. And it could be 80% of the population that's just not suitable. But our side is politically unwilling to admit that. And I understand that, you know, the average person is not yet quite willing to say that it could be 80% of the population that's radicalized that has been coming over in recent decades. But first, you have to admit you have a problem. And then you can start talking about the solutions. And the white paper we wrote was just admitting we have a problem.

What comes after that is we need to start working with our allies on Capitol Hill and state legislatures to figure out what is the policy solution to this. And the problem we're going to run into, Glenn, is that a lot of people on our side will say, well, the First Amendment and free speech. Well, the answer to a conquering ideology in our domestic space cannot be that we have no recourse and that we just have to allow it to happen. I'm also not saying that we should violate the First Amendment or religious liberty. but I think that we have to figure out how do we treat Islam as a political ideology, unlike Sikhs, Judaism, Christianity, etc. To me, this is really easy. It is not simply a religion.

If you want to practice your religion, that's fine. But if your religion teaches that the constitution must be replaced, now it is a political organization. You're now saying it's a system of governance. I'm sorry, but that's incompatible. I mean, you say in your brief, Red Green Alliance is an existential threat to the Republic, uniting neo-Marxists and radical Islamists around the shared goal

of destroying America's constitutional order, capitalism, and Western Christian tradition. How can we continue to let people serve if that's their goal when they are standing there taking an oath to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States if their goal is to overthrow the Constitution? I agree, and I've publicly said that I think that these DSA candidates who are specifically saying that, that we should refuse to seat them. That's fundamentally different than AOC, who we just disagree with and we think that she's wrong on virtually everything. But even AOC is careful not to say that we should overthrow the Constitution generally.

I mean, if we dig deep, maybe we can find that. But these new candidates, they just proudly proclaim it all over the place. And I think that Congress should just refuse to seat them if they do, in fact, end up winning their primaries. have to draw a line in the sand somewhere. And I think that it is a relatively easy line to draw to say, if you're overtly arguing to destroy Western civilization in the Constitution, you cannot take a place on the floor and vote on legislation affecting Americans. So I found good news in El Cayed's victory because it was predicted to be just a wild, you know, wildfire. He's going to just, and it wasn't. It was within, I think, 14,000.

points in the end when they stopped counting. So I find some good news that maybe the Democrats are not all sold on this. And if you look at the numbers, it's all intellectuals and white rich people that voted for I, L. Say, along with the Muslims. The working class, they didn't vote for that. So are you seeing signs of hope on this that maybe Democrats are going to wake up? to this? Yeah, I mean, I think that if you're a left Hispanic family Christian, you see this, you're horrified. I think that if you are a left black family Christian, you're horrified by this.

And I think that ultimately, at the end of the day, those families are going to increasingly vote their interests. And they may not vote for Republicans, but I think they're going to choose rational, more rational and moderate Democrat voices. I mean, even James Carville is kind of Appalphlectic at what's happening to his party right now. And Elon's been saying this for years now that the Overton window is just moving so far to the left that what used to be a centrist is now considered a radical right. And I think that that's playing out in politics as we see it. But we can't rest on our laurels that their own radicalism will just self-destruct itself

and that we can just wait. I think that we have to proactively go out there and make the argument against it. Okay, so I want to talk to you about, I mean, you said, and we're not going to have time to go into it, let me just say, you say that there is a three-headed hydra, the enablers, which are the influencers in the media, the legitimizers, intellectuals and institutions, and the backers, the financial networks. So you get into, in your paper, how we can dismantle or kill this three-headed hydra. I want to get into that more in just a moment. You're streaming the best of Glenn Beck. To hear more of this interview and others, download the full show podcasts wherever you get podcasts. Turning 65 feels like you've been dropped into a constant stream of mailers and calls and ads telling you something different about Medicare and most of it just makes things more confusing. But because this is not a small decision, it's your health care.

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keyword chapter. This is the best of the Glenbeck program. I really want to save some time so at the end of the hour Jason can take us through some of the some of the information that we have coming out from the election on who voted for El Sayad when you look at it is it's kind of critical information. We'll get to that here in just a few minutes. Also on a personal note, I'm going to be taking the next two weeks off. I'm leaving in just about an hour or so. And I won't be chronicling this in real time because we'll be in some places that I just don't need people

to know that I'm there while we're there. And I'm taking my family. I'm concerned about, I'm not concerned about my kids. I want to strengthen my kids because I hear from them all the time what they hear from their friends. And they're hearing stuff about socialism and America and everything that is just so wrong.

And I just want to do everything I can to strengthen them. And so I'm taking two weeks off, which I almost never do, but I'm taking two weeks off because I want to spend it with my kids. And I'll share what I've learned from them. And maybe I can help you with your kids, you know, when I get back after I've learned and hopefully they've learned a few things. But pray for the family. If you'd pray for the safety of my family, I'd appreciate it.

We're traveling with a whole bunch of security, but I, you know, you just never know. Just pray for the guidance of the spirit the whole time and pray for my children as well. I want to bring in Clay Travis. He is part of the Clay and Buck Show that follows this program on the Premier Radio Networks. And I want to bring him in because, to me,

this is kind of like Friday. I'm leaving tomorrow. I won't be here tomorrow. And I think he had the idea of the week, maybe the month, maybe the year. And everybody's been talking about boys and women sports and the WNBA. And he's just come up with the Nashville balls.

And he said, I wanted an all trans team. So it's only men who are women now because he said, we'll win every championship. and then maybe I'll prove maybe we'll prove the point but we'll prove the point we'll make a lot of money doing

you know I just love it Clay is with us now Clay how are you? I'm doing great I hope that you and your family have a good trip but I would love at some point if we can get you court side seats

to see the Nashville balls the most inclusive team in the history in the history I would be glad to sit on the court side for that I would be very happy to do that. Yeah, look, I'm calling the bluff here.

If you're wondering if you're out there and you haven't heard some of the news, since Sophie Cunningham, a player for the Indiana fever, came out and said men should not be able to play in women's sports, which is not a particularly radical proposition. There has been a lot of talk. And many different WNBA coaches, Glenn, actually came out and they said, what we think men should be able to identify as women and play in this league. And as a staunch supporter of inclusion, diversity, equity, as well, I said, well, what is the best thing that I could do to follow the logic of this? To me, it is to have an all-trans team, Nashville Balls, expansion

franchise in the WNBA. We will be the first all-male identifying as women team. And we will be. We will be the first all-male, identifying as women team. We are very pro-trans, incredibly inclusive. Our slogan, you'll like this, Glenn, is one love, one love, two balls, and are very understated, as you were showing it a little bit earlier on video, but people who haven't seen it, logo is a basketball hoop with two different balls going through the net. And look, I just think it would be the greatest dynasty of all. time. Move over John Wooden's, UCLA Bruins, move over Bill Russell, Michael Jordan. We've got

something for you. We would be, not only, I think, the greatest professional sports franchise of all time, I don't think we would lose a game. Some games we might win without giving up a basket, which is unheard of basketball. Wasn't there, wasn't there like a kids team that played against the WNBA or a female team? What was that story? It was. It was. It was. Yeah, the story is the U.S. women's soccer team, which won the World Cup, the best soccer team in the world. They lost five to two, Glenn, to a team of under 15-year-old boys in Dallas, Texas. Not the best 15-year-old boys in the country. And remember, under 15 means a lot of those kids are 14.

They lost 5'2 to the best soccer players in Texas. And so all of this kind of comes together. look, I just think sometimes you have to, and this is my natural state here, Glenn, is sometimes you have to follow absurdity with more absurdity and actually call these people on the logic that underpins what they would suggest. And so if you're going to argue that a man can identify as a woman and play in the WNBA, which is the Women's National Basketball Association, then I think we should just have a whole team of trans guys. By the way, this is happening in France. I'm going to tell you. It's happening in France.

I'm going to tell you, if they would take you up on this, I know, I know you're making a point, but you're also probably very serious as well. You put $10 million up. I would join you in this venture if they would do it because they would win every time. They would win every single game. Yes. And they wouldn't, the games wouldn't be remotely close. And look, ultimately what, why will they, why will they not just say? hey, the WMBA is only for women, right? To their credit, the WTA has finally said it, the Women Tennis Association. They have said it in the Olympics. They've said it in the NCAA, thanks to President Trump. It's because they are committed so much to the left-wing idea that the trans agenda can create women out of men that they are not willing to say a basic biological truth.

And if you're not willing to do that, then I think the natural results should follow, which is men who identify as women should be able to compete in the women's professional sports league. And I think, Glenn, they would obliterate all of the women in this sport. I don't think it would be remotely close. I think you could go all the way down, by the way. As soon as you get testosterone, as you well know, as everybody out there who's ever raised a boy knows, it changes the game substantially. Heck, if you've ever coached, if you've got a kid in 13-you that already has a mustache,

I mean, he's going to be a lot better than most of the other 13-year-olds. And so I think you can get an 8-grade boys team that would beat the best WNBA team, a team at WNBA All-Stars. I don't even think some of those games would be remotely close. So can I ask you, I've not been able to figure out why Caitlin Clark is not supporting Sophie Cunningham. Why is that not been a dynamic duo here? I'll defend Caitlin Clark in this way, Glenn. You and I and most of your listeners out there, we grew up and watched and loved sports in the 80s and the 90s, what I would call the Jordan era of basketball. Jordan's most famous quote in my mind, I wrote a book with this title, is Republicans Buy Sneakers, too. And I think Michael Jordan's perspective, and it was followed by Tiger Woods and golf, and it was followed by Kobe Bryant, Shaquille O'Neal, a lot of other big-time athletes was, I'm not going to get involved in politics. I want everybody, Republicans, Democrats, independents to be able to be fans of my brand,

Republicans buy sneakers too. I think Caitlin Clark is rejecting in many ways the LeBron era, which is you need to know everything that I think about politics, which has, I think, made him incredibly polarizing. And instead, she's trying to go back to the Jordan Tiger Woods era of appealing to everyone. And Glenn, the example of this I would give is she was asked who she was going to vote for in the 2024 presidential election, Kamala or Trump. And she said she didn't want to answer. She didn't think it was her business to tell people what her politics were. And so I think what has actually happened here is the WNBA has put a lot of coaches and players in tough spots who may well agree with us on the

absurdity of this premise. All they have to do, and she said this basically in her answer is that's a question for the league. And the league, the commissioner, should if they had any backbone at all, come out and just say, hey, this is a league for women. If you are born male, you can pursue life to the furthest of your happiness as you desire. You cannot become a women's basketball player. They haven't said it. They won't say it. I think because the league itself is committed to identity politics. But I do think that that is the reason why she has avoided joining Sophie Cunningham on her side. That makes total sense. Total sense. I just feel like, you know, Caitlin's been, you know, just pounded in the head for so long. And, uh, and you would think when you'd see somebody else

being pounded in the head, it would just be your instinct to go say, hey, knock it off. I don't have to agree, but knock it off. This isn't right. Yeah, I agree. And, and the argument you can also make is that this goes to the very essence of sport itself. And look, I don't know how many far left wingers, to be fair, are Caitlin Clark fans, right? Maybe there are some. I think her base, if I were sitting down and talking with her, I would say, look, your base is Trump America, whether you like it or not. And also a lot of other sane people, because remember, Glenn, this is an 80-20 issue nationwide.

I actually think it's a 95-5 issue for sports fans. I think the 5% who are Looney Bend members get a lot of attention. but I think for men, like, nobody makes this argument, right? There isn't a dad in America listening to you right now who thinks that a grown man should be able to compete against his daughter or his granddaughter, right? Like, that's just lunacy. And so I think that's Caitlin Clark's base. Are there some left-winger who are also Caitlin Clark fans? Maybe.

But I actually don't, if I were advising her, I understand the perspective of I'm just going to avoid all politics. Because if you answer this, next thing, you know, people are asking you what you think about every, every issue. But I think her base is actually would overwhelmingly support her if she said, yeah, this is only for women. One more thing, because I know you got to go get ready for the show because you're on here right after my show on premiere. But what do you think of the coaches that are now saying that, you know, men are going to start coming and taking their jobs and men shouldn't be coaches for the WAABA. And yet they have a problem. Well, simultaneously. Yeah. Well, simultaneously. I mean, that's insanity.

Yes. Well, I mean, I think what it goes to is you ultimately paint yourself into a corner if you follow full left-wing ideals, right? Because, I mean, you can take it outside of this gender ridiculousness. You know, if I said to you right now, Glenn, I have an important announcement to make, I am now a black woman. On the left, they would have to say, welcome to womanhood, Clay Travis. We are excited to have to have. you, your beard makes you look even more feminine than we thought you ever might, they would then say that I am a racist culturally appropriating for saying that I'm black. So I think for, I mean, again, this is what their logic is, right? So I think for most people out there, if you said, what is more defining of you, your gender

or your race, people find out their different race than they thought they were all the time with the DNA testing going on right now. nobody ever finds out like i think i have a lot personally i bet you would sign on with this too i think men you know i have a lot more in common with black asian and Hispanic men i think than i do with white women because gender to me is more of a definite defining characteristics than races right doesn't mean you can't have a lot in common with a lot of different people of all different backgrounds but if you were going to say which is a bigger deal to change your gender or your race i think most people would have to say you're gender, right? I mean, that's far more transformative than your race.

Yet in the left, if you change your race, you're racist and you're assimilating and you have to be canceled. But if you change your gender, you're a hero and it must be immediately affirmed. Yeah. Is everybody hearing his white privilege there? Yeah, I think I heard it. I think I heard it. Clay, it's good to talk to you, my man. Thank you so much. Hey, appreciate you. Good word, Glenn. Have a good trip with your family and stay safe. God bless. Say, head a buck for me. Clay Travis, outkick founder and also co-host of the Clay and Buck Show that is on the premier radio network immediately following this one. By the way,

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