The Glenn Beck Program - Best of The Program | Guests: Dave Rubin & Mary Sabbatino | 5/4/20

Episode Date: May 4, 2020

A Newsweek article claims that the coronavirus came from a lab, and Dr. Fauci was involved. But why are our news sources so desperate to say otherwise and support China? BlazeTV host Dave Rubin joins to discuss tyranny on California beaches and his new book, “Don’t Burn This Book.” Mother of 7 Mary Sabbatino moved to Kentucky to find more freedom, only to be investigated for breaking social distancing rules and homeschooling her kids. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Welcome to the podcast. Today, we look into a new development on the origin story of the coronavirus. Did it come from a lab? Was it partially funded by the United States, at least as far as the research that may have run out of control? We look into that. We look into the future for Disney. Pat Gray is joining us, and he paints an unbelievable picture of what the future for the Disney Corporation is. I mean, really, all of their businesses are shut down right now. It's kind of a disaster. Dave Rubin has a new book out. It's called Don't Burn This Book, Thinking for Yourself in the Age of Unreason.

He joins the show today for an extended interview. Also, he will be joining my show, Stu Does America, tonight to talk about the book as well. And we go into a story, a bizarre one, from Kentucky, where a family was trying to go to the bank and wound up with a giant fight with law enforcement and the bank itself and child services and all of these crazy things.

They weren't at the bank to rob it, which might be your first guess. It's much different than that. We'll get into that as well. Today, make sure to subscribe, rate and review this podcast over at your iTunes app or wherever you're getting your podcast

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Get 30 bucks off. And here's the podcast. You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck program. I love it. So there was a newsweek article that came out. Dr. Fauci backed controversial Wuhan Lab with millions of U.S. dollars for risky coronavirus research. Okay.

So what does this story really mean? Let me give it to you in case you haven't heard. Last year, the NIH, or actually the National Institute for Allergy and Infectious Diseases, led by FALA funded scientists at the Wuhan Institute of Virology and other institutions for work on, listen to this phrase, gain of function research on bat coronaviruses. I'll explain that here in a second. In 2019, with the backing of National Institute of Health Aid, the National Institute of Health committed $3.7 million over six years for research that included some gain of function work.

The program followed another 3.7 five-year project for collecting and studying bad coronaviruses, which ended in 2019, bringing the total to $7.4 million. Our taxpayer dollars went to that laboratory in Wuhan. Now, many scientists have criticized gain of function research, which involves manipulating viruses in a lab to explore their potential for infecting humans. The reason why scientists have been against this is because it creates a risk of starting a pandemic from an accidental release. Fauci did not respond to Newsweek's request for comment. All he said was most emerging human viruses come from wildlife, and these represent a significant threat to public health and bioskine. security in the U.S. and globally is demonstrated by SARS epidemic and current COVID-19.

Scientific research indicates that there is no evidence that suggests the virus was created in a laboratory. Yeah, that doesn't answer the question because nobody is really claiming that this was created in a laboratory. What they're claiming is this was being researched in a laboratory and somebody got sloppy. Exactly what other scientists warned about. The NIH research consisted of two parts. The first involved surveillance of bat coronaviruses and had a budget of 3.7.

Now, the surveillance of the bat coronavirus means they were watching it and they needed to collect samples. We know that that's what the Chinese did. At least they played that video. Stu, when that video play? Was it in December or November? we we played it on one of our episodes and we'll have to find it later but we played it on one of our episodes where the do we have it just run it in the background because I think it's all in Chinese this was what was on the the TV network the national network of China

and here you see the scientists in there there these bats live in caves that only places that scientists can go can reach them we can find the most ideal deal coronavirus. Most bats living here are horseshoe bats. Hmm. If we keep our skin bear, we can keep, we can get into contact with the feces, which is highly risky here. Okay?

That's what they're saying. Isn't that in Chinese? Is it always, is it only just there that get contact with feces is highly risky? I feel like that's a statement you can kind of make really for any situation. On bats in general. Yeah. I think bats in general. Humans, dogs, really anything.

You should try to get, not, not touch the feces of things. General policy. Yeah, I think that's a pretty good rule of thumb. Anyway, okay, so that's the first part. And we know that they did that. The second phase, this is the real problem, included in additional surveillance work, but also gain of function research. Now, what is gain of function?

Well, here's what the proposal from the NIH says. We will use S. Protonial. sequence data, infectious clone technology in vitro and in vivo infection experiments and analysis of receptor binding to test the hypothesis that percension divergence, uh, divergence thresholds in S protein sequences predict spillover potential. Now, I'm a doctor and a scientist, so I of course know what that means. But in case you don't, spillover potential is just referring to to the ability of the virus to jump from animals to human. And that requires that the virus be able to attach to the receptors in our cells as humans.

So this is what happened with SARS. It is able to bind at our receptors in our cells in our lungs and other organs. This is also what COVID-19 is doing. It's a jump from the bat in. to humans. Now, here's the problem. The infectious disease expert at Rutgers University, his name is Richard Ebright, he says these are experiments that would enhance the ability of bat coronavirus to infect human cells and

laboratory animals using techniques of genetic engineering. In the wake of the pandemic, he says, this is kind of noteworthy. along with two other, I'm sorry, 200 other scientists, they have been vocal against gain of function research because it risks creation of a pandemic through accidental release from a lab. Now, here's the problem that I have. Stu, do you remember we talked to, I think his name was Ken Alback. This is 20 years ago, maybe. I'm looking for him to see if he's still alive. But he was one of the first defectors of the Soviet Union after the war. wall came down. He couldn't wait to get out and go to the west. He was a guy who accidentally

became the head of the bio-weapons program. And what they did was communist countries go and they look for viruses that can't be cured. Then they experiment them on them to see how they can make them in an aerosol or or make it spread faster as a bio weapon. The United States, however, does the exact opposite. We do look for viruses, but we look for cures. We don't develop any bioweapon, at least this is what we believe. We don't, we don't develop any bioweapon unless it, we have a cure. So we go and we'll look at Ebola, but we try to cure it.

then we may say, can we make this into a weapon as long as we have the cure? Soviets and other Chinese communist countries, they go the opposite way. They try to make it more virile and more deadly and then weaponize it. They don't believe that anything with a cure is a good weapon. So the other problem is the reason why this guy became the head

of the bio research weapon program is because his boss died as they were trying to weaponize Ebola. They're extraordinarily sloppy and they have poor protocol in communist countries, unlike the United States, which leads the world in this kind of security. Why would we give money to a weapons lab that we had already said, is trouble. Why would we give money for something on research to a Chinese government? If the NIH wants to study this thing, then study it here. Why would we give it to China, which has already proven itself to be unworthy of being able to handle this kind of stuff? Now, here's the biggest problem. The media is jumping through hoops. Washington Post was the new coronavirus accidentally released from a Wuhan lab.

It's doubtful. Yahoo. Trump administration pulls NIH grant for coronavirus research over ties to Wuhan lab at the heart of the conspiracy theories. Vox. Why these scientists still doubt the coronavirus leaked from the Chinese lab. CNN, New York Times. Top administration officials have pushed intelligence agencies to link coronavirus to Chinese labs.

Why are these organizations? so eager to say what Trump is now saying, Friday, he pulled back from the lab. What happened was they had a ban on this that Obama had put in. It lapsed and Fauci just went through and did it secretly. That's the story, at least at this point. So why does the press not want this to be true? is it possible that Jeff Bezos with the Washington Post has too many business deals with China? Is it possible that NBC Universal, which is owned by Comcast, has too many business deals?

They were going all in. They've got a new theme park that is opening in Beijing. It's supposed to open this year. also the Chinese consul general made a visit to Comcast headquarters on February 2017 as the travel restrictions began to be imposed due to the coronavirus. The same travel restrictions that China and the WHO are trying to shoot down when that was happening, that's when Comcast met with the consul general at their headquarters. After that meeting, China released a statement and they specifically talked.

about the theme park for Universal. Is it possible that there is some sort of a deal that goes on there? Is it possible that something else is happening with Comcast and our media? Is it possible the reason why Google and YouTube are censoring anything? How can we possibly talk about this if YouTube and Google say that this is a conspiracy theory? I mean, I don't know about you, but I don't know what I know about the coronavirus. This is the weirdest news story. The more I read, the more I know, the less I know.

I'm not sure of any fact anymore. Are you? Stu? Are you sure of anything at this point? It's a really limited. In the coronavirus? Amount of things you can be entirely sure of. Like, I would have probably said pretty recently,

that I was pretty sure that the most common effect of coronavirus, this coronavirus was fever. The most common symptom was fever. And then a report comes out, it's like, actually, it's not 80% of people who are coming in that have fever.

It's 30%. And it's like, wait a minute. This is the most basic... We have drones. They're defecting... The president walks from room to room and he gets his fever. He gets his temperature check.

Exactly. I thought that was the first sign. And again, like, I don't, we may find out that that study's wrong and that it was right all along, but they shake your foundation on this constantly. All the time. It's very difficult to understand what is going on. And, you know, each new day, there's a new study. Like, I'm pretty sure right now, right? As I say this, I'm pretty sure that the idea that you're going to get this outdoors in all, in almost every circumstance is very unlikely.

Like, if you're in a place that has good, um, uh, vent. and your outdoors, winds blowing, like, unless you're screaming into somebody's face or sneezing into somebody's face and they're breathing in heavily, like the chances of it happening are very, very low. It seems like that. Especially if you're, if you're six feet away, for sure. Yeah, yeah, exactly. And it's a sunny day, a hot sunny day. Exactly. I mean, it's like, all the research lines up behind that right now. However, am I sure that next week, they're going to come out with a story that the only place you can get it is outside, I wouldn't be surprised at this point. I would not even be surprised.

Right. I mean, this is the craziest thing. We have shut down the entire world. We are now banning certain theories on this. And that's all we have. We don't have the truth on this. We have no idea what the truth is of the coronavirus. Science hasn't been settled on this.

So it is, it's so incredibly frustrating. and I think that's what leads people to say, conspiracy theories, or leads people to say, enough is enough. Enough is enough. You guys still don't have any idea and you're telling me I could die if I go to work,

but I got news for you. I'm going to die. My business is going to die. My children are going to be living in the poor house if you don't let me go back to work. You guys don't know what the hell you're even talking about. And I can't trust the media to tell me the truth. I think that is happening in America.

And somebody needs to address it. The best of the Glenn Beck program. Hey, welcome up to the program, Mr. Dave Rubin. How are you, Dave, from the Rubin Report. Beck, it's good to be with you. You know, I heard your intro and you were talking about how we don't know who to trust. And I have to ask you a question first, which is as one of the few people that I trust what the hell am i doing in california why am i i have why am i giving i don't know my money i i can't even go to the beach

anymore i'm why would you be i have been telling you for year i have a very nice studio complex used to be the paramount movie lot in texas plenty of room what are you doing in in in california it's insane you know i jokingly well it's barely a joke i i half jokingly tweeted the other day, you know, I'm frustrated with California and they've got helicopters monitoring the beach and why, why am I here if I can't go to the beach, which, by the way, everyone in SoCal especially, this weekend was 85, not a cloud in the sky. It could not have been more of a perfect Southern California day. The exact type of day that is the only reason people live here and pay all the taxes and everything else. And of course, we're all trapped in our houses.

So I tweeted out something like, you know, if I can't go to the beaches, well, then Texas and Florida and a couple other states are looking pretty good. And I tag Ted Cruz. So I'm hoping that maybe you find people of Texas will put together a package because you guys do have phenomenal studios. I work with the Blaze already. And now totally kidding aside, I am considering it.

I am considering it. How can I live in a place? That is counterfeit. But I believe. There is no package to consider here. It is the freest state in the union. Honestly, I don't get any special. special benefits at all.

There is no better state in the union to do it. We have a great governor. Our Texas Senate and House, they only meet every two years, so they don't pass any laws. I mean, it's fantastic. It's fantastic. I mean, I'm not kidding you, man. I'm considering it.

I'm considering it. How can I live in a place with? Look, look. The governor of my state of California is Gavin Newsom. He is the former mayor of San Francisco who wrecked San Francisco so badly with high taxes that then Peter Thiel, the tech billionaire, Peter Thiel, left San Francisco to move to the free-thinking L.A. just to escape San Francisco. And now L.A. is crumbling.

And obviously, we have a progressive mayor here, too. So it's not really fun to think about. You know, you know, I have a great operation here in a beautiful home studio and everything. and I do love it here, but, you know, at some point the rubber meets the road and the things that I believe in and fight for, you know, do get played out in my real life and we're considering it. I have to tell you something, Dave. By the way, Dave Rubin is the host of the Rubin Report, highly, highly successful on YouTube. He now has his own, you know, his own business, and he also has a Rubin report on The Blaze. If you don't, if you don't know, known that Dave, you should watch Dave. And he's the author of a brand new book called Don't Burn This Book, Thinking for Yourself in the Age of Reason, which we'll get to here in just a

second. Dave, did you watch the protests in California this weekend? And what were your thoughts on them? I did, you know, I saw the clips on Twitter that everybody saw. And look, first off, generally speaking, I'm enthused that, you know, some lefties here in California might be waking up to some of this stuff. So, you know, look, It's not as if there's no conservative or libertarian leaning people in California at all. I mean, you know, Ronald Reagan once was the governor here. So there are some people here, especially if you move more towards Orange County. You know, it leans a little more right.

But I think actually for the first time, I mean, I'm seeing this. When I walk my dog on the street now and people that know me come up to me, they're kind of hinting to me like, yeah, it's getting pretty crazy here. You know, people that you could tell this is not really their political alliance, you know, thinking that they're anywhere on the right or something. But what's happening is if you push people to the point that they cannot leave their houses for two months. And how does it make any sense at this point?

If I have quarantined for two months, if I have a friend who lives a half mile away that he can't come over for dinner, I mean, we're not allowed to have dinner together if we're both young and healthy and have done all of the proper precautions. And you know, the series of other things. So it's like you can go to Target. That's okay. And by the way, don't burn this book as a bestseller at Target. But putting that aside, you're allowed to do.

to go to Target, but you can't, you can't go to smaller bookstores. Why are we telling, why are we telling smaller stores that they aren't allowed to institute some sort of program that would allow only a few people in? So it's almost as if this is absolutely designed to crush every small store. And I'll just say one other thing, which is that when I drive along the main boulevard here, and you know where I live, that the, you know, of course we're seeing all the small stores closed, but it's fairly obvious to me that 90% of them will never come back. You know, these strip mall areas. that had sort of older stores that were probably just hanging on.

It's like they're not coming back. So what are we going to do? And you can only push people so far. And even the lefties, you'll eventually push back. Your whole area, I do know where you live. Your whole area is, you know, one big boulevard that has all of these specialty shops, their little mom and pop stores. They can't come back.

I mean, I read a story in California this weekend where people are opening up and saying, you know what? I couldn't get anything from the PPP. I'm not able to survive. I have to open because I'm going to go out of business anyway. And my only chance is to hope that maybe somebody will come and frequent my store in defiance of everything because I'm going to go out anyway. I'm going to be living on the street. So I mean, what do people do? What do people do? I think, yeah, so look, first off, the more perverse part of this is that it's not as if they're really telling us what the plan is. So it's like they tell us, okay, finally, we've been doing this for almost two months. Now, just over the last couple days, they closed the beaches. Now, that would imply that the numbers have started to rise again or that they saw something happening at the beaches that was causing a spread. But there's no evidence of any of that. Nobody has issued a statement.

And our deputy mayor, you may have seen the video on Twitter, he took the helicopter ride and tweeted out a video of empty beaches. And the way he tweeted it, it was as if he was proud of our empty beaches. And it's like, dude, you guys are ruining our state. Now that, of course, Glenn, and I know you know this. That is not to say that everyone should just pile onto the beaches with no masks and be on top of each other and the rest of it. But give us some reason, give us some way so that you can go out there with a blanket,

stay a couple feet away. for people and just let us let us try to live instead of controlling us so here's the here's the problem dave no one gave us the tripwire i've been asking since january what's the tripwire that's going to close these things down what are the factors that you're looking at it seemed you're right it seemed totally arbitrary in a in a situation where we didn't know anything about this virus now as more and more factors come in and we're pushing to open it, they won't really give us the trip wires that are solid like the beaches. Wait a minute, wait a minute. We know that this, or we supposedly know that this is killed by sunlight. The odds of getting it outside. The odds of

getting it while you're surfing by yourself, impossible. Impossible. What the hell are you basing any of this stuff up on except a power trip. We are not being told so we can participate in it. This is not a representative government anymore. Well, I think what you're seeing is that the people that like state power are basically frothing at the mouth at the moment. So you're right when you say that you have a great governor and Greg Abbott in Texas. He wants the economy to move forward. Now, he's not saying, let's just open up and have a free-for-all. They're going to have to test some things and see how many people can be at restaurants and then maybe if there's a little bump they'll have to adjust. That's how a mature person deals with the problem. But how an immature person deals with a problem

is just sees a problem and then what would a child do? A child would grab everything or flip the board over if it was a board game or something like that. So they're not telling us anything. They're just saying we control you. And unfortunately, I think too many people in California and probably in several of the other blue states have just been conditioned to think that just because someone has power, that that power is righteous. But I don't think, I have no reason to believe, especially if they won't tell me why they're doing it. Why should I believe that Gavin Newsom knows what he's doing?

What evidence does he have that I am not privy to? And why wouldn't you give me that evidence? So we got to start questioning them, right? If there was ever a time, Glenn, to fight for anything we believe in in America, certainly in my lifetime, I think in your lifetime as well, it's like this is it. Yeah, this is the biggest event in our lifetime. and I think our, I think our country is truly hanging by the thread because you are losing the, the, the entry level businesses.

You're, you're losing the entrepreneurs. You're losing the ability to get back up on off of your feet. And it's all being caused, not by some natural disaster, but because people are telling you what to do. So this isn't my fault that we're going out of business. This is the government's fault that I'm. going out of business. This is China's fault that we're going through any of this. And by the way, you know, a little risk is part of life. That's actually part of the human experience. And again, that's not to say you just do everything willy-nilly and get out there and cough on people

and, you know, run into old age homes and all that. But a little risk is exactly what made America great. And in many ways, this whole thing is counter to the American experience. you are you are such a dangerous individual for even saying that dave i mean we are violating all of the bill of rights the things that are enshrined in our constitution as governments shall not do these things they're doing all of those things in the name of a right that doesn't exist i don't have a right to be safe from infections you cannot guarantee you cannot guarantee that right. I am born without that natural right. I mean, again, it's not that you do stupid things, but the government cannot guarantee this. They're saying, we're going to keep everybody safe.

You can't. And it's not a right. You cannot violate the things that are in the Bill of Rights that are explicitly laid out to protect a right that doesn't even exist, doesn't exist. Back with Dave Rubin here in just a second. The name of his book is Don't Burn This Book. Thinking for yourself in the age of reason, we'll get into that because it's more important than ever. This is the best of the Glenn Beck program. And don't forget, rate us on iTunes. If you think you have seen government gone mad, you haven't seen anything until you hear the story of Mary Sabatino and her family.

They're from New York. They move to Kentucky. It's a family of seven. they homeschooled. You see where this is going already. They're freaks and they're from New York, so they must be disease ridden. And why would you have seven kids, let alone homeschool seven kids? Well, she comes into the town.

She's doing some banking. And this is before any of the coronavirus restrictions of, you know, quarantine New Yorkers or anything like that happened. And she leaves two of the kids in the car. and because they're old enough to be left in the car. And the other five she has to bring into the bank. Well, as she comes in, the teller says, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, keep your distance.

Why do you have five kids with you? She said, well, they're too young to be left in the car without adult supervision. You got to leave. You got to leave immediately. Well, by the time she gets home, somebody had made an anonymous call and said that they weren't social distancing and somebody, observed these kids and this mother leaving with a man that was not the father and he was manhandling these children and they saw bruises so immediately department of children in family services come

out this is where it goes insane mary sabatino is with us now hi mary how are you hi so what happened was on the um 17th we had gone to the bank to open a checking account. And we had been running errands all day. Fine, no issues. Everyone was nice and friendly. We get in the bank and the teller starts screaming at me to take the children outside. I said, I have to open a joint account with my husband.

It'll only take a minute. He'll stay with the children. The whole exchange should get back, get back, keep back, get them outside. So when we got home, my husband and I were just saying how crazy the experience was, We get home and there's a state trooper and a child service worker at the door. They said they had to see the children immediately that they received a call that we were out in public with five children with grab marks on their upper arms. And I was with a man from New York who was not related. That's the man.

It's called outside. They're wearing jackets. How could anyone see their upper arms? It doesn't matter. I'm here for an investigation. I have to come inside and interview the children. She comes inside. He separates the children, interrogates all the children. And then he had an issue with the homeschooling and why did we have seven children.

How can I... Wait, wait, wait, wait. What does that have to do with anything? I mean, what does that have to do? My first person was not the father. I said, do you want me to get you the birth certificate? He is their father. You're calling him dad. No, I have to interview the children. stay right here. So he brings them in the kitchen and he's asking them if they get enough to eat. Does your mother allow you near the refrigerator? What are their feelings towards homeschooling?

And then what they wanted to undress them, they took pictures of the children even though they had no marks anywhere on their bodies. Now I have daughter that's about 10 years old. This is a male social worker and he comes in, he makes them lift their clothes and he's taking pictures of their bodies. When all was said and done, after the initial call, which was about grab marks, now he wants an investigation because why am I homeschooling and how can I give adequate attention to that many children? Oh, my gosh. Then he says, you have to make a doctor's appointment this week. I need full physicals for them.

Wait. I call every doctor and I cannot get an appointment. Right, because it's coronavirus time. Yeah, it just started, so it wasn't that crazy yet. I hadn't been aware there weren't that restrictions yet, but I called doctors and they said, we can't see anyone. So I called the caseworker back. I said, you know, they've never missed a well visit.

Everything's fine. I can't get a doctor to see them. Well, you have a week for them to be seen. So I went online. I called everyone I could possibly think of and someone told me, reach out to HSLD, A, the homeschool on legal defense. And when they got involved, they were able to help me. that. So what did they do? Well, I was told that the case the case worker told me that he had to get

a supervisor involved because of the concerns with the homeschooling and how could I provide attention to all that many children and the fact that he wanted them seen that week. When a homeschool legal defense attorney spoke to him, he said it was merely a recommendation that I take them to the doctor. Ah, okay. Which was not the case at all. He told me I had one week to do that. Right.

So we're still waiting for the whole case to wrap up, but it's just beyond crazy that based on a false accusation, they could come in your door like that. So, Mary, why did you guys leave New York? We left New York because New York was getting too liberal for us. We wanted a big backyard. We wanted a nice place to raise the children. where we could homeschool them and enjoy the outdoors and where it was a little more freedom. Yeah, and I mean, because this honestly sounds like what would happen in New York.

It shouldn't happen in a place like Kentucky. No, we were quite happy here. Everyone was quite friendly. It was so out of character for the whole area. Have your neighbors said anything since? Oh, no, no one. We've had, since we've gotten here, it's. It's a beautiful area.

Everyone's nice. Everyone's friendly. There's no issues with anyone. Even we've been out of the places, we didn't have an issue, just in that one bank where they went crazy that you can't have children out in public. Now, it's absolutely with the homeschool. Home schooling is legal, and we followed every, you know. No, if you have a. Mary, we were living in a time that our grandparents wouldn't have been.

able to understand where if you have you know over four children even four probably you're you're like whoa look at that and seven that's crazy our grandparents used to have 14 children uh i don't know how women ever were walking around but they but they did uh and now you know with seven your remark if you're seven and homeschooling you have to be insane but let me ask you this mary you have seven children you homeschool. I have two children still left in the house, and I'm about to lose my mind on the homeschooling thing here because it ain't working. Any tips?

Because I think America really, it is not, I mean, you're cut out for homeschooling, clearly. Some of us, I mean, I barely have the dad thing down. Teacher two, mm-mm. Teenagers, mm-mm. Help. Oh, the homeschooling works out so well that we actually, we continue it. sometimes on the weekends even for two hours just because it's a structure of it. The children enjoy learning with it.

And having a private school and beforehand, they enjoy so much more being home and being able to focus more on subjects that appeal to them. How many kids do you have in your family? How many parents? Your parents had how many children? My parents had 13. I'm number seven. 13.

And how did your mother provide for all of you? You obviously were neglected. My mother homeschooled us all. My mother and father both had college degrees, and there was a lot living in New York. There was a lot of stairs and a lot of comments on that. But, you know, everyone turned out well. Everyone went on to college.

I have physicians, assistance, for brothers' accountants. You know, no one grew up to be the criminals that people thought that they would be or disadvantaged. Everyone grew up successful. Mary, this is this used to be the story of America.

We understood this now. For some reason, we don't anymore. Where is this case now? What has to be done to get the state off of your back? It was the caseworker informed the attorney that it was handed to his supervisor,

and I believe there's about two weeks left for them to make a decision. on it. And what is the decision that has to be made? Whether they'll close the case or continue it. Now, the allegations were only that the children had grad marks in their upper arms and that the man who was not my husband was with me. But the caseworker, because he came to the house, those allegations were cleared up.

But now I'm being investigated for having seven children and for homeschooling them, which is, you know what you should. my mind. No, I know. That's to be investigated. No, you have really good attorneys now. If you're with the homeschooling defense league, you're in good hands. But Mary, you know, they had an election there just recently in Kentucky and things went a little insane.

You should maybe consider Texas. So it's a good place to be free in Texas. God bless you. I chose Kentucky because of Bevin. Use carefully. We understand. Mary, thank you so much. God bless you and the whole family.

Please let us know if anything comes up and we can help you. You know, these weasels tend to disappear when the light turns on. They're like cockroaches and they go underneath the refrigerator when the lights turned on. So if we can help you, you let us know. Thank you so much, Mary. I pray so. Thank you. Bye.

You bet. God bless. Mary Sabatino. I mean, I think you can see why she's underinvesting. Am I right, still, or am I right? I'm saying sounds out of control. Out of control. Hmm.