The Glenn Beck Program - Best of The Program | Guests: Donald Trump Jr., Byron York, & Dr. Harvey Risch | 4/27/21

Episode Date: April 27, 2021

The Washington Examiner’s Byron York stops by to talk about his new book, "Obsessed," which breaks down how the Left obsessed over ousting President Trump. Donald Trump Jr. joins to discuss whether John Kerry leaked sensitive information to Iran and the media’s hypocritical coverage. Yale epidemiology professor Dr. Harvey Risch shares his expertise on the COVID vaccine and herd immunity. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Villaray, the voice that we love that we have. Welcome to the podcast. Today we have Byron York on to talk about his new book. Donald Trump Jr. joins us as well. We have a doctor from Yale to talk about what's the truth with vaccines and herd immunity and where do we stand?

right now. Should we be going back into lockdown? He's got the facts on that. Also, we have what we should keep from the pandemic. There's some things that we actually should keep, you know, like alcohol delivery. I mean, things like that, important things. And we talk about Caitlin Jenner, who is running for governor of California. Why does the left hate trans people so much? You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck program.

York is the chief political correspondent. for the Washington Examiner and author of the book, Obsession, and a host of the podcast of the Byron York Show. Welcome. Byron. How are you, sir? Good. I, you know, I have, we've got about 20 minutes and I want to run through a bunch of things with you. First of all, I was talking to Victor Davis Hanson the other day, and I asked him this question. In your book really kind of, I mean, this is what your book is about, obsession. The obsession that people had on getting rid of Donald Trump and just destroy. him at all all costs. And I asked him, when it comes to the media, the media, I know, hated themselves because they thought that they had, you know, them playing footsie with him helped him get elected. But is it, is it just that? Or was the media's obsession with this also pushed by the elites in, you know, the FBI or the CIA, any of the deep state stuff that saw Donald Trump as a. real threat because he was going to upset the apple cart one way or another and and they weren't going to have any of that which was the main factor the the press just hating him and

hating themselves or the deep state really kind of juicing that up and pushing stuff at them so there was this oh the question is you you raise a great question i'm not a really good armchair. It was threatening to some people who felt that they had some manner of input and control over the republic. And they became never Trumpers, minorities. And sure, the election, dark underside of the fact is, 17, two weeks before Trump is information about him. And this is Comey's words, a Jay Edgar Hooper move. So what I'm trying to get at here is you had the intelligence agencies, law enforcement agencies doing extraordinary things, the whole detriarch. to expect. Yeah, and it is

the people who supported Trump, and that includes, you know, most Democrats, I mean, sorry, most Republicans, whether they were big supporters or not, it doesn't matter. If you're not in line, now it's your turn to be smeared and destroyed. And just when you thought the FBI couldn't get any worse,

there's a couple of things. First of all, I read, and I saw your great article rebutting this, the FBI now saying that the Alexandria is shooting, the baseball shooting. I mean, notice it doesn't have a name.

You have to kind of explain it before people even remember it, where Steve Scalise and all of the Republicans would have been killed if it wasn't by the grace of God. Just this massacre, the FBI comes out and says that wasn't politically motivated. The guy had the names of the representatives in his pocket with physical descriptions. How is this suicide by cop? Yeah, this was about a week and a half ago, begins firing, and is finally killed. So you're absolutely right. He is a, he, he, he put this job at that time. The FBI was telling us, shooting is in June, private meeting who were there. And the FBI says, well, we've, we've, Republicans are just, they say, look, if you want to commit suicide by cop, you, you put, Republicans, didn't leak it. It because he had Christopher suicide by cop as opposed to what it clearly was.

So here's why this is really relevant. You know, they said that Brian Sicknick was, you know, killed by in the Capitol riots. They say this is the worst thing that's ever happened. And they're obsessed over all this. Sidnick did not die from injuries at the Capitol. He died of a stroke the next day in the hospital. So they're trying to make this into really an Alexandria kind of moment where it wasn't. It was a horrible, horrible moment, but it wasn't something where they were going in and trying to kill everybody, at least seriously like this guy was.

Could have been and was horrible in and of itself. But the media and the FBI seem so focused on only things that come from the wrong. right that I am, I don't trust the FBI anymore. And that is, that's saying something, Byron, I've always trusted the FBI and, and the government. I mean, you know, I've, I've been skeptical, you know, and see, let me see all the evidence, but I don't trust them at all anymore. Yeah, I think that is five years. And I think you're exactly right. First of all, I think maybe for your listeners, we should say they search for FBI work. They actually had during the 20, and 20 to get.

I think there's plenty of reason to not trust the leadership of the FBI. There's the FISA. Are we ever going to get a final report? Are we ever going to see the final report on any of this? Do you think? There are some people in Washington. Everything is just a part. Clearly, the FISA thing.

Trump campaign, it's not because. If you're not reading the Washington Examiner and following Byron York, you're reading, I don't know what you're reading. You should be following the Washington Examiner. it is really, really good. We read it every single day. Byron is the chief political correspondent and author of the book, Obsession, also another must read, and the host of the Byron York show. Thank you so much, Byron. We'll talk again. Thank you, Glenn. It was a pleasure.

You're listening to The Best of the Glenn Beck program. Yesterday we told you about a little nugget in a New York Times piece. It was like third paragraph from the very end, and it was not even commented on. and it talked about how the Iranian foreign ministers let it slip that John Kerry had personally advised him that Israel had struck Iranian interest in Syria at least 200 times. Now, the White House yesterday said we're not going to talk about leaked tapes. Iran said this was a leaked tape. It was never supposed to be released. It was given to a think tank. It was supposed to be held for posterity, blah, blah, blah, blah.

And the White House isn't commenting on this. Really? They're not commenting. So the interview actually happened. The media is not stumbling over themselves to get to the bottom of whether John Kerry leaked classified information of an ally to their number one enemy and an enemy of the United States. Google the story. No one is asking the question. Now Google the story of Trump leaking classified information to the Russians in the Oval Office. They went insane. That story isn't even true.

That story, but Google that story. That's there. They question that. Every major news outlet in the country and the world were running the same angle. But nobody is saying anything about this. So it's some anonymous source. It was a some anonymous source when they said this about Trump, except the National Security Advisor and the Deputy National Security Advisor for Strategy,

both in the room at the time said that never happened. And they weren't known to be Trump lovers. They said that never happened, but that didn't stop the media. The job of the media is to hold the government accountable, but they're not doing it. It doesn't, it doesn't. The laws don't apply, it seems, to some underground political elite. And John Kerry is in that protected zone. So did he or did he not leak information?

about the Israelis to the Iranians. Well, he said yesterday that these allegations are unequivocally false. This never happened either when I was Secretary of State or since. But then the State Department released information saying, the information that Kerry allegedly leaked was already public knowledge and not classified. John Kerry said it never happened. The State Department said it happened, but it was no big deal. Which is it?

The guy sits on the National Security Council. Which is it? The comment on this and so much more is Donald Trump Jr. Hey, Don, how are you? I'm doing well yourself. I'm good. I'm good. I think you and your family often.

Say hi to your dad for us. How's he doing? He's doing well. I just saw him a few minutes ago. He's doing really well. and uh yeah i think you're saying it really well i mean it's sort of amazing what you can get away with if you're a democrat you know i wrote the book about liberal privilege but uh we're seeing it more and more every day uh whether it's john carey whether it's eric swallwell sitting

on the house intelligence committee whilst i guess it's okay for him to sleep with a chinese spy uh it seems like a double standard i would think glen that these people would lose their minds if someone in the trump administration did this oh they would have and they rightfully should have if your dad i mean this is this is a good i mean this is what's crazy. If your dad were giving secrets to the Russians, he should have been impeached. It would have been a big deal. But he wasn't.

And they knew it the whole time, and they ran with it just to destroy your father, his legacy, and his chances of winning a second time. But now we actually have evidence that somebody is doing this, and they don't care.

A hundred percent. And it's not like it's a random occurrence. I mean, it's pretty clear. that John Kerry has very close relationships with those in Iran in power. So this isn't like it's something that's surprising and out of the blue. I mean, these things are pretty well known. You know, I'm pretty sure they would have talked about the various violations, whether a hatch act or otherwise of all of the things that he's been doing had he been a Republican, but because he's not, he's totally immune from any prosecution or criticism even

from a media who just refuses to do their stated job of their profession. You know, it's one thing to attack you guys personally, and I honestly, Don, don't know how you guys live through it. I really don't. I have so much respect for your family, for your father, for Malani, all of you guys, for what you put up with. And I mean, I would have just, I would have been on the roof of a building like a postal worker at some point. I mean, I don't know how you did it and still continue to do it. But, you know, the one thing, it's one thing coming after you. It's another to actually make real accomplishments in the Middle East. Things that people have been trying to do since the 1940s.

You did them. Nobody recognized them at the time. And now in less than 100 days, everything's coming undone. Well, that's what's really scary. I mean, they're literally referring to, you know, peace in the Middle East was sort of like the holy grail of geopolitical politics. And we actually did it. My father's administration actually did it. Now you have business opportunities, you know, flights between Israel and other parts of the Middle East.

They all probably wanted to open up that door, but there was a, you know, a long history that made it a little bit hard. Now Donald Trump opened that door. And within a few weeks, not only is John Kerry seemingly fueling the Iranians, the world's number one leading state sponsor of terror, but doing it at the expense of our number one ally in the region, Israel. You know, we're bombing the Middle East again after, you know, sort of trying to end the endless wars. All of these things that are so popular with the American public, not so much with the Washington D.C. establishment and sort of the military industrial complex to sort of use the old-fashioned term there. But they're reversing one of the most successful foreign policy missions ever, and they've done so in 100 days. It's truly impressive. I grossly underestimated Joe Biden's ability to screw things up.

I knew it would be bad. I didn't realize it would be this bad. I didn't know it would be this fast. I figured it would be bad, but not this fast. I mean, look what happened on the border. And, you know, now nobody cares about the cages. You know, nobody cares about the policies. He's reversing himself in some cases where he's going back and doing exactly what your father did.

But it's a mess down there. It's an absolute mess. In days, he created that. Correct. And they're running around saying, oh, how did this happen? I mean, when you give someone, you offer someone everything for free, you're going to give free health care, free education. This was a welcome ticket. You know, they get to give Kamala Harris's book to children at the border.

Imagine someone in the Trump's administration did that. You know, the indoctrination of youth continues. It's not just in our public schools anymore. at the border in Joe Biden's cages. You know, this stuff never ends. And yet, again, if it was a Trump administration official, people would be losing their minds. It would drive, you know, a multiple week-long news cycle.

When Joe Biden does it, he gets a total pass. And they don't even discuss these things. I mean, you know, they're no longer cages. They were only cages for the four years between the Obama administration and the Biden administration before and after that four-year period of time. They're migrant facilities where they're helping children. I mean, it's absolutely insane. And, you know, what's scary going is, it feels like the American public, while there are some,

and probably many of your listeners, get it. So many are still influenced by a mainstream media that has shown to be nothing but partisan hacks. I mean, there's literally, there's nothing genuine, honest, or real about today's mainstream media. And yet many Americans still don't see that. So tomorrow, Joe Biden is going to get up. And I don't know how they're going to keep him awake until 9 o'clock at night. But he's going to get up and he's going to speak. Usually this is when a president will say, you know, he'll spell out big ideas and ask for money.

In a hundred days, he has already put in legislation over $10 trillion in spending. I don't know how much more you can ask for. But, you know, and not that they asked us for it. I mean, they should just do this speech at the Fed. Hey, print some more money. I want to do these things. What do we expect to see tomorrow? What do you think we're going to see tomorrow?

Well, listen, I think you're going to see a bunch of Democrat soundbites that have no basis in economics. You know, I'm not a master of these things in terms of macroeconomic policy and monetary policy. But what's going on is crazy. You've got to realize, like, this money has to be paid back. And I get it's great to be able to bribe the people with their own money, even though they're only getting a small fraction of the stimulus money, right? You say, you sign a multiple trillion dollar bill. Here's a couple of grand, no worries.

You know, they don't explain to the people that, guess what, each family owns approximately 6,000. So you get 2,000, but you owe 6 now. Hyperglen, and so this is not sustainable. It doesn't work. We are putting our children and our grandchildren in debts that they will never be able to get out of. And, you know, they're doing it.

Okay, no one's saying anything because it's Joe Biden. He's trying to be really nice. He's not. He's really nice in soundbites and on TV. And yet, if you look at the policies that he's pushing, there's nothing more than partisanry and there's nothing more than vindictiveness. He gets to have that pass because the profession known as the media simply no longer exists the way it was supposed to.

Do you believe, I mean, you have to sit around. and talk about this. Your dad built an economy that was actual, it was real. It was starting to work for the people down to the bottom of the end or the bottom of the ladder. And that's when it's real. This is going to be a sugar rush. And I think we're going to have a, I mean, you just can't open an economy and not have a boom. Of course we're going to have a boom. But it's also, with all of this bogus money, it is, I mean, it's going to be unlike anything we've ever seen. Maybe 1929 up and down. Oh, 100%.

And then you combine that with wanting to raise tax rates on corporate America who employs so many people. You do that by wanting to more, seemingly more than double the capital gains tax for people who are investing in those companies so they can hire.

I mean, you're creating a disaster of epic proportions. What that will do to the economy is truly it's scary. And I mean, this isn't just like, okay, well, we believe in a little bit higher taxes. These are draconian taxes that they want to put on Americans, whether it's corporate or civilian,

at a time when they're literally coming out of a global pandemic. You know, I understand the Democrats' notion of, you know, you can tax everyone. You know, Margaret Thatcher said at best when you said the problem with socialism is eventually run out of other people's money. But to do so at a time like this, when the economy and small business, you know, they've been teetering on the brink for a while. This will be like the death knell to so many of those businesses if they do that. When people pull their money out of the markets, when they're worried about these sort of things,

it's going to be a disaster. And the fact that no one's saying that, again, I don't care how you feel about these things in normal times. But if you're going to put that kind of, you know, hammer down at literally the end of a pandemic, I don't know what these people expect. don't. I mean, you wake up and you wonder if you're watching the onion when you're seeing the news on a daily basis because it's like a caricature of itself. We're talking to Donald Trump, Jr. Don, I don't know if you guys are paying attention to the Great Reset and what is coming with these ESGs, but it explains the corporations. It explains

why so many countries around the world, you know, did some black ops work against your dad, etc, etc. I think that he was, this would never happen under your father, and I think they knew that, and this is one of the reasons why he is out. But I urge you, if you haven't yet, to look into the great reset from the World Economic Forum, and ESGs has just been pushed through in the European Parliament. Of course. I'm not as familiar with it as I probably should be, but the reality is this, when all of these foreign governments are going against an individual like my father, there's a reason for that. And it's not because he was good for their economy.

He was good for ours. America has been like the moronic, like red-headed stepchild of the world for so long, paying for all of their things, subsidizing the UN to ridiculous numbers, subsidizing everyone, whether it's NATO or otherwise. Donald Trump just said, hey, we expect everyone to carry their fair share. Of course they hated Donald Trump. they had the gravy train of a lifetime.

America is just going to be a dumb idiot and pay for all of our stuff. They're going to subsidize it. They're going to be able to China. Free trade. Oh, yeah, they really want free trade. They don't want free trade. They want America to be a fool. They want one-sided free trade where they get to do whatever they want.

And if America does anything, they raise holy hell. That's what's going on for so long. So I don't want foreign governments to love our president because it means you're a schmuck. If these people love you so much, it means you're being a schmuck, in my opinion, especially as it relates to monetary policy and these sorts of things. And so Joe Biden's reverting that because he doesn't know what's going on. He'll sign whatever the radical left puts in front of him. You know, in between naps, he'll do a couple of those things.

They'll put him on a teleprompter. He'll even botch that every time. But no one cares because no one in the media is going to call it out. That's why it's so important for guys like yourself. And it's why I've remained so vocal. I mean, I could very easily go back to, you know, making mom. and being in real estate and doing those kind of things. But there's too much at stake, Glenn.

I got five kids. I want to leave them a country. They recognize. I know. Don, it's great to have you on. Always is we'd love to have you on more often. Donald Trump Jr. This is the best of the Glenn Beck program.

And don't forget, rate us on iTunes. You know, you'll hear a lot of experts talk about the virus, talk about the shots that everybody's supposed to get when it comes to COVID. but the guy we have with us now, you probably know, Dr. Harvey Reish, he's an epidemiology professor at the Yale School of Public Health. So this is his specialty. Now, he's the guy who I guess we first heard of during this pandemic because he said hydroxychloroquine works. It's easy. We have it.

It works. It will help, you know, get rid of a lot of this stuff. I know that I took hydroxychloroquine. When my family had COVID, everything else, I never got it. I stopped taking it six months later. I've got COVID. I think hydroxychloroquine was a miracle and at least something that would slow things down for a lot of people. But who am I to say?

Dr. Harvey Reach is here with us now. Hi, Dr. How are you? Good morning. How are you? Good. Thank you so much for speaking out, whether you're right or wrong, speaking out about the things that you believe in and not bowing to the pressure of this new weird science rule that we just don't question authority. Let me talk to you about the vaccines. I get so much heat because I've had COVID. I'm not interested in getting the vaccine.

I'm not an anti-vaxxer. I don't have a problem with the vaccine. But I know my kids are young. I'm not going to give it to them. And because I don't think it's, I think there's too many questions out there about something that is brand new that we've not had, you know, trials on. If they needed it, my parents, I would give it to my parents. I encouraged my parents to take it. If I were a little older and more frail, I would take it.

I'm called insane for having those. standards. Am I? No, you're completely rational. And when people are calling you names instead of debating the science, you know, the tables have flipped. The science, you know, the real science, the evidence is what matters. And we know a couple days ago, proof of exactly your understanding has been written in an article from Israel where they actually looked at some 7 million people.

and their experience from taking the vaccines or having had COVID or being unvaccinated and not knowingly have had COVID. And what they found is that there was equal protection from getting COVID either a second time or after vaccination from people who have been vaccinated, the same as people who've had COVID in the past. And this means that their protection from COVID is just as good. it's 90% or higher than the same as the vaccines from getting COVID. So then why is everybody pounding on?

And nobody seems to be paying attention to what we have going on in Israel. We have a population that has vaccinated. They have heard immunity now. And we're seeing different kinds of results. We have the facts. Why isn't anybody talking about this? Well, because I think there's different motive. than just vaccinating people for their health benefit.

I think we are in a mania. There's no other way to put it that people are convinced as a matter of their religious assumptions that vaccination is their creed and it's a mania that there's no discussion. There's no pros and cons that the cons don't matter, no matter what. I think that what's more interesting than Israel even is United Arab Emirates, who've also vaccinated 60% of their population with essentially the same

vaccine, the Pfizer vaccine. And I think their experience is more realistic. They come down quickly, but the case numbers not. The case numbers came down, but much more slowly. And that is what's to be expected from vaccination. And that's why, even though we've been vaccinating a lot in the U.S., that there's still cases occurring, and we do have hurt immunity that have been seen. saying for the whole year, it's not the cases that matter. It's the people who are hospitalized

and the people who die from the disease that matter. And people are just freaking out. Because that's what separates, right, that's what separates this from the flu is how bad it gets for so many people and how many people would die from it compared to the flu. But if you get it and you're sick and you're home and you stay home for a couple of weeks and you don't have to go to the hospital and you don't die from it, then it's just the flu. Well, a couple of weeks would be enough to, you know, to put a big dent on people's economic viability and so on. It should be a couple days. And, you know, now we've got half a dozen or more medications to be used to treat this for outpatients when they're treated in the first few days.

They all work. They all combine. They're very effective. We know they're effective for the Brazil variant. The Brazilians have been using them and have found them effective. So we know how to manage this, and we've known how to manage it for a long time. But, of course, can you think of any other drugs, any other approved medications that have been blocked or prohibited by medical societies, you know, medical regulatory agencies? No.

That's especially, like if you're talking hydroxychloroquine especially, that's been out forever, forever. We know exactly what it is. So the fact that there's interference in a drug that is safer than aspirin, that have been used for 55 years in tens of billions of doses, the fact that there's pushback and formal government and medical interference in that, there's no explanation other than a nefarious reason. There's no health explanation. So I could dismiss a lot of the things that were happening at the very beginning as, you know, we didn't know what we were dealing with. Do we know what we're dealing with now?

Pretty much. Okay. Does it ever become something that we're, you know, because I said at the very beginning, you know, that this is probably going to be something that we have to deal with for the rest of our lives like the flu. But if it is even has the same rate of death of the flu, that's doubling that. And it's a big number. So it's not something you want to do. But it's going to be with us forever. And it's going to be like the flu.

Does it look like we're headed in that direction? Is that what we're, are we going to deal with this for the rest of our lives? I think that are affected. You know, one in 10,000, it may be more serious. But by and large, for almost all young children, this is nothing worse than a cold. If they spread it to each other, it's unusual. Mostly, they get it from adults. And they develop T-cell immunity, and they're protected.

You know, we've only known about it for 15 months or something. So it's hard to know how long anything lasts, but the evidence is that that T-cell immunity will be long last. We know that T-cell immunity from SARS-1 is now 17 years old, and people still who have SARS-1 are still have T-cell immunity from that. So it's likely that children will get it. It'll be a cold-like illness, and they most won't even know it, and it'll go away, and that'll be the end of it for them as they get older in life. it's we adults who have to deal with it now when it gets entered into the population as an endemic disease, which it is. So we have a transition period to get through it that children, especially young children, will not have. And I think the long-term characteristic of this will be over the next 20 to 30 years

when each new generation of children hardly notices that anything is happening, whereas the adults, you know, have to deal with it one way or another, and whether it's vaccination, whether it's getting the disease, whether it's prevention, whether it's treatment. All of those are possible ways of dealing with it for the adults. Is there any reason that you can see that Texas and Florida and places that didn't lock down are doing better than the places like California and New York? Why is that happening?

that's because lockdown is counterproductive. At the beginning, the very beginning of this one, we had no idea what was going on, lockdown was useful in order to give us by time to figure out how to manage it, how to keep the hospitals from overflowing right at the beginning. But after that point, once the disease is endemic, there's no point, because all you're doing is prolonging the inevitable. The disease is endemic. It is in the population.

It will grow to the degree that there is no her. immunity. So the states like North Dakota, South Dakota, Texas, Arizona, Tennessee, you know, that didn't lock down or didn't really lock down, that have let the infection go and occur in young people who are mostly unaffected, or if they get it, it's a mild disease, and they recover pretty much perfectly well, if not in a couple weeks, then a month or two, then what you get is you build up a lot of herd immunity. And so we had herd immunity in North Dakota in October and in South Dakota in October, November, and so on. And so those peaks have come down dramatically. Same as Texas and Florida. The amount of herd immunity that's

built up is quite large. And once that happens, and this is, herd immunity is not a function of vaccines. Vaccines contribute to it, but so does natural infection. and most people are asymptomatic. So they built up the herd immunity, whereas California didn't. So is the idea that once you get the vaccine or once you've had it, that you still have to be quarantined or you can't go out for Fourth of July or you have to wear masks, that's bull crap, isn't it? Well, so this is a subtle thing that I don't think was well recognized.

And that just like masks, there's the benefit for, the person and there's a benefit for the bystanders, the people around the person. And that's called source control. And what we've heard that the manufacturers randomized trials for safety and efficacy only examined benefit for the people who were vaccinated. And that benefit is between 60 and 90 percent and generally tending towards the 90 percent for most in the vaccination trials. But what they didn't evaluate is how much vaccinated people do or don't transmit the infection to others. And this is why I was saying the United Arab Emirates, their data shows transmission is not

nearly as well as vaccination for the person. So the vaccines cut the individuals risk by 90% of getting COVID, but they only cut the risk of transmission by 50 to 60%. And that's why the case numbers go on for a long time, even though the mortality goes down. And I think that's really, we've been sold the idea that if these vaccines prevent the disease by 90%, then why can't we just go out and have normal life? And the answer is because they don't prevent transmission nearly as much. And so it will still spread. As I said, it's not necessarily bad if the people who are at high risk who will do poorly if they get it are adequately protected,

either by vaccination or early treatment or prevention with hydroxychloroquine, Ivermectin, other other medications, if they're adequately deciding reopens like normal, our schools should be open. They camps should be open, you know, because that is how you get herd immunity in safe, natural, protected ways. And you protect high-risk people by keeping them basically separated to a certain degree, as well as having vaccination and prevention and treatment. And I think that's the whole way that we work out of this.

Dr. It is a pleasure to talk to you. Thank you so much for the work that you do. And keep your spine. You are an inspiration to a lot of people that you are willing to take the hits from, you know, your own circles. Thank you for that. My pleasure. Great to talk to you.

I was just saying nature speaks to us through science. And I don't consider that nature lies to me. Nature tells the truth. I just have to be open to listening to it. And I'm just a messenger here. Good for you. Dr. Harvey Reich, epidemiology professor at the Yale School of Public Health.

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