The Glenn Beck Program - Best of the Program | Guests: Douglass Mackey & Bill O'Reilly | 7/10/25

Episode Date: July 10, 2025

Douglass Mackey, the man sentenced to seven months in prison for posting an election meme, joins to discuss his conviction being recently overturned. Mackey also details how he was targeted, the obscure law used against him, and how much money this political targeting cost him. Bill O'Reilly joins the program to discuss what President Trump told him regarding the Epstein files, as Americans are still demanding answers. Host of "The Edwin Black Show" Edwin Black joins to discuss his newest book, "Israel Strikes Iran," which delves into the backstory behind Israel's Operation Rising Lion. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Douglas Mackey, the guy who spent seven months in jail for posting a Hillary Clinton meme online, the court ruled regarding his conviction yesterday, wait until you hear from him. Also, Bill O'Reilly, I swear to God, I thought he was dead. But he's on the show today after spending time earlier this year with Donald Trump. What did the president say to him about the Epstein files? Bill has the latest. And Edwin Black describes the backstory behind Israel's Operation Rising Lion. All right, let me talk to you about.

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home. And I don't remember what it was. Do we have the meme actually there? Yeah, there it is. Yeah, you just text Hillary. And it says MAGA on it, you know, hashtag MAGA. It's clearly, I mean, you have to be a nincom poop to believe this. But, you know, there's a lot of nincompoops. But just went away. And then when Biden came in, oh, they decided to throw them, uh, throw the book at him. And yesterday, some really good news happened. A federal judge overturned this, and he is now free from this insane, dare I say it, Hitlerian attempt on freedom of speech.

Douglas Mackey is with us. Hi, Doug. Hi, Glenn. Great to be here. Thank you. Oh, I bet it is good to be here today, right? Wow. It's a great day to be an American.

Yeah. So tell me, first of all, how'd you find out where were you and what the reaction was with you and your family? Yeah, so here I am on the first day of vacation was by, you know, beautiful wife and our young son. And my trial attorney sent me a text just said, congrats. And I figured, wow, it just happened. So I called him up and he gave me the news shortly thereafter I was able to actually get a copy of the opinion. but now it was a great day to be on vacation. I bet it was.

I bet it was. So you've been going through this for how long? Yeah, this is four and a half years. It's, you know, four FBI agents knocked on my door at 7 a.m. And that was seven days after Joe Biden was inaugurated. Wow. Wow, they had you in the sites long before, long before they got into office. Oh, that's right.

what did they say to you and what was your first reaction well they said you know are you Douglas Baku we have a warrant for your arrest the first words out of my mouth were for what and i really had no idea that this meme was going to be the basis for prosecution because you know at the time i wasn't even on twitter but back in the 2016 election cycle you know i tweeted thousands of time so I had no idea and you know but I did know that once they make you an enemy that it's like show me the man and I'll show you the crime so I was very curious to see what they had cooked up and I didn't even get to I didn't even know until after the arraignment when they they put it they took the leg shackles off me and place a copy in my hands of a 30 page criminal complaint

and were you surprised that you were charged under the Klan Act the Klan Act, a federal felony. I was shocked at the felony. Misdemeanor, sometimes people would rather just plea out rather than go to the expense of fighting it, but a federal felony, the KKK Act, unbelievable. And this was really kind of a trial balloon, wasn't it? The Justice Department was using the Klan Act to go after pro-life people,

really just anybody, just targeting whomever. So when you're talking I was the first and let me mention this. They indicted Donald J. Trump on the same statute. Wow. When you found out about the Klan Act and then, I mean, your attorney had to be

freaking out saying this is ridiculous. And then when it was overturned yesterday, how far do you think the ramifications of your case being overturned go? Is it just you? No, no, absolutely not. So, I mean, this is a total humiliation, I believe, for the sort of Biden DOJ, I mean, one of many. But this is a total humiliation for the EDNY, the DOJ, the New York FBI.

And I think that, unfortunately, we did not necessarily get as sweeping of a constitutional victory because you probably know these appellate courts. they kind of rule, once they come to a conclusion on, let's say, the one of the grounds, they don't rule on all the other grounds. So I think they're going to think long and hard before bringing more of these cases. But unfortunately, it's not part of the sweeping constitutional ruling that we wanted. But nevertheless, a great victory. So, Doug, I have to tell you, I think, I heard a phrase, you know,

it's the process more than the, process is the punishment. Yeah, the process, that's it. The process is the punishment. And I've been thinking about that because I know somebody who has been waiting almost 10 years for the process and it's hanging over him. And I thought, I was talking to it a couple of weeks ago. And I said, how do you even live your life? It's all, you never know.

You never know what the next thing is happening, when they're going to start going, okay, well, we're ready to take you to prison now. I mean, how, what is that like to live under this? You know, only, I would say only faith can get you through it. I mean, it just, in the beginning, the pretrial is unbelievable. I mean, the amount of stress. And then, but then the trial comes along, and that's even more stress. And then, you know, one of the most difficult things to sit through is a sentencing hearing. That was extremely difficult, you know, getting lectured out by this hardcore partisan hack on sitting on the bench.

And, you know, it's not about Democrat or Republican because the appellate court was bipartisan. But in the case of this particular judge, you know, there was very much getting a lecture. And then, you know, and then she said, we said we're moving for an appeal bond seven-month sentence. Well, appeals usually take a lot longer than seven months. And we have extremely strong grounds, not only evidentiary, which is what we ultimately want on, but constitutional grounds. She denied the motion outright, and guess what that means? Well, you're sitting around wondering if you're going to win the appeal bond. We had to go to the circuit court just to get an appeal bond, and then we're sitting around waiting for that.

And so it's unbelievable. Oh, and by the way, you know, there's another 50 grand to argue that, or 50, 60 grand, just to argue an appeal bond. Douglas, when all this happened at the beginning, did you have some, like, massive social media following that was moving tens of thousands of voters? I mean, what was your profile at the time? So at the time, I did have a large account at 62,000 followers, which back of the day was pretty big, and it was very active. And they said, you know, they do these studies. Well, you know, I'm skeptical, but MIT said it was one of the top 150 influential accounts on Twitter at the time.

This would have been early 16 during the primary. And but the funny thing is that account was suspended by Jackson. Dorsey early October and by the time I posted this meme I was doing it on a second account that only had about 10,000 and that account you know the tweet itself only got like you know a hundred likes or something unbelievable likes how how how yeah why were you the target then of this I that that's fascinating like why did they single you out all that's obviously people were posting all sorts of crazy things well you're not going to believe this but it's got a lot to do with russia so uh well number what, you know, I was a prominent, quote unquote, influential Trump supporter. They had this

breakdown about quote unquote disinformation, misinformation. It's supposedly this was enabling the rise of Donald Trump and the quote unquote far right. And so not only that, they wanted to send a message about quote unquote misinformation and arrest a prominent Trump supporter, but they actually thought it's unbelievable that the DOJ embraces these sort of theories, but But they actually thought that they were going to arrest me. They also squeezed a guy, a poor guy, this poor guy actually who pled guilty and cooperated. He testified against me in court on this non-existent crime. And they thought they were going to arrest me, squeeze this other guy and uncover some Russia collusion.

This was on the floor of the Senate. This meme was blown up on a big poster board on the floor of the Senate. Senator Klobuchar did this. And she said, this is Russia. This is a crime. We need investigations. They actually thought that, you know, this was some Russian plot to steal the election. I remember when we reported on this and they were saying those things.

We said, everybody, everybody is at stake now. Because, I mean, you know, if they can tie you with no connections to Russia and say, look, this is a Russian plot and this is, and without any. evidence all of us could be you know swept up into this it was a very dangerous thing and I'm so glad that it was overturned you have to I mean I imagine that you went on a very cheap vacation because how much does this cost you and how are you paying for it yeah for sure you know yeah this cost over one million probably approaching 1.5 I put in as much money as I possibly could

which is, you know, well into six figures. And then we were able to raise money on that nonprofit called memedefense fund.com. But I still owe money. I still owe a lot of money. And we're going to raise some more money. And we're going to file suit to try to recover all these legal fees with the DOJ. So you can go to memedefense fund.com if anybody wants to go and chip in a little bit. Memedefense fund.com.

meme defense fund.com. This one matters to all of us. I wish you to the past, Douglas. I'm glad to hear that this has passed from you. And go fight him. Now go fight them. Turn the tables on them. Thank you, Douglas.

Thank you. You bet. Meme defense fund.com. Go there now. This is the best of the Glenn Beck program. And don't forget, rate us on iTunes. The grid is now more fragile than everybody knows. It's beyond one bad storm, one down transformer, one attack on the right server farm.

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And they were like, I just, why? And they're like, no, apparently he's still alive. and I'm like, shut up. We should have him on. So Bill O'Reilly is coming on to tell us. I don't have I-MIS to kick around anymore. That's true. So anyway, Bill is joining us here in just a second.

He had a conversation with President Trump about the Epstein Files, and I think he has a good insight on it. Bill O'Reilly, welcome to the program, sir. How are you? Don't try to give me any of this, Beck. Don't try to give me this welcome, how I'm, you know. And right off the bat, I have to correct you. Yeah, you're not alive.

What? That's seen is dead. I mean, you know, you don't know that? Oh, yeah, yeah. All right, no, I, no, I thought you were dead. Anyway. Oh, you were trying to me. Oh, I, oh, I, I get it.

I guess it's just another brick in your wall, back. It's good to talk to you, Bill. Tell me what you had a conversation with President Trump of, what, a couple of months ago, and you talked about Epstein. Patrick's Day, he invited me to sit in on a cabinet meeting, which he does from time and time. And he said, look, we got files, Kennedy, King, Epstein, what do you think? and I said, well, first Kennedy got put out pretty much everything, which he did. King, he didn't. I don't know why, because that's important, too. And then on Epstein, I said, you've got to be careful here, because this is now being used in political precincts.

Both sides want to destroy anybody that was associated with Epstein. And the problem is that a federal investigation, they don't make a determination whether you had a, what kind of a relationship you had with Epstein. They said, so-and-so had lunch with them, or maybe so-and-so had, saw him at a party. And I said, any name of a human being associated with Epstein in any way, that person is going to be destroyed. Because, you know, the press is not going to put anything in the context. And so I said, but it's very important that the Justice Department tell the folks what they know. And you don't want to get specific with names, but you have to say this is the information that we've compiled.

And that's not hard. And I don't know why the Trump administration is not doing that. Wow. So first of all, it's your fault that we're not getting any names. We learn a lot here. Probably my fault. But the president. No, you know what?

I think you're right. I don't want all the names. of the people. I want to know. I don't either. I want to know the justice, right. I want to know the Justice Department has sorted through the things and then have gone, gone through and said, this is criminal, this is not, these people are being indicted, et cetera, et cetera. But to come out and say there is nothing there, I mean, it's, it's at least mass in, it's mass incompetence, at least from Pam Bondi. How could she come out? and say, it's all sitting on my desk.

And then when she doesn't release it, she says, well, that's because the FBI in New York is thwarting this process. There are people up there that are trying to keep this from me. And then she makes no arrests on that. We never hear about that again. And now all of a sudden there's nothing to see. Well, listen, Pam Bonnie doesn't make decisions on our own. No cabinet member does.

All the decisions come out of the West Wing. So what I believe happened was Trump was so obsessed with the big bill, with Iran, with Putin, with China. He didn't even think about this. Okay? And then it slowly began to unravel. And then it caught him by surprise. But this is easy to fix. So easy.

So easy. If I'm in charge, and that would be a great thing for everyone except you, Beck. but every other American, if I were in charge, tremendous. You would be in Botswana. No. Right. Oh, I know. You would be on your way.

Yeah. But anyway. I'd be the ambassador of the white farmers in South Africa if it were up to you. I know. I know. No, you'd be wandering around going, I'm Glenn Beck. And they go, who? That's what you'd be doing.

That's every day. This could happen within the hour. Pam Bonnie announces a press conference for tomorrow. At that press conference, sitting next to her, is Merrick Garland, everyone, the Attorney General, and the Biden who had this stuff for four years. Now, I understand that Mr. Garland has gone native and is living in Inguila, so we can find him. We can pull him out of there and have him and Pam sit there and answer questions

in a general way about what? what evidence the Justice Department of the United States has compiled. Not going to happen. That's it. Well, if it's not going to happen, then President Trump is going to take a hit. But he's calculating that this will fade. It's not that important. But I don't know why you won't do it.

I just don't know. And I'm usually pretty good at predicting what the president does or does not do. So here's the thing, Bill. I think he keeps focusing on Epstein. It's not that big of a deal. It's not about Epstein. It's about justice. It's about can we trust the people?

Correct. It's all about credibility and justice. And he's not seeing that. And I don't know how he's missing that. Because I agree with you. He's been so busy on so many other things that this is not at the top of his priority list, but he did campaign on it. Right. And I don't know if there's anybody inside the White House who are going to, you know, he looks to be annoyed when this subject comes up.

Oh, I know. Here's it. What works, you know, people have to understand. The guy like Donald Trump runs it all. If he's annoyed, nobody's going to want to annoy him more. Okay. That's just how it works. But the overarching is because Epstein got favorable treatment by the feds in the first, go around in Florida, that there's a deep suspicion about this case.

But if you break it down, if the Biden administration had any dirt on any Republican associated with Epstein, it would have been out. And vice versa. If the republic is any dirt on any Democrats. Now, we know that former President Clinton was involved with Epstein to some extent. I don't know whether that's a factor. Okay, I don't know. But you're right for once.

You're right. It's about credibility. It's about the American people trusting that we do have equal justice for all. So what do you make of now the Russia Gate thing coming out today or yesterday, the FISA court, the fact that they're now saying, hey, you know, we need to hold. Brennan accountable. We're like five or six away, days away, weeks away from him you know, slipping past the

statute of limitations. I mean, all these things are out today. There's that. There is also, let's see here. The Secret Service, I think this happened a year ago, but it's being reported as if it's new. Secret Service suspend six agents assigned to protect Trump during the Butler assassination. attempt. I mean, all these things are coming out like, look, we're busy on all these things. And I do believe they're busy on these things. But it's just, it's, it's, it's like the Keystone

cops are in charge of the PR on this. It's bad. Well, there's a lot of politics involved with both of those cases. Number one, in order to get Comey and Brennan to be indicted by a grand jury, federal grand jury, and that's the only passage. You'd have to have a whistleblower. saying, yeah, these guys abuse their power, I work for them. And they absolutely wanted to get Trump, and they knew the Russia dossier was phony, and they did it anyway. If you have that Justice Department, then you can get those guys. If you don't have it, they will not even be indicted by a grand jury. So how is it we do not have that Justice Department?

Yeah. How do we not have that Justice Department? Well, look, I don't know whether they have a whistleblower or not. Okay? And if they have a whistleblower, I want that case to go forward. I want those two men indicted. That's they, you can't do that at that level. As far as the Secret Service is concerned, monumental screw up.

Everybody knows it. They fired the moron who was in charge of it. That woman, I was just embarrassed listening to her, try to explain any of you. I didn't know what the deuce was going on. But this was across the board in the Biden administration. You know, the assassination attempt was a year ago Sunday, this upcoming Sunday. And I, it's just another example of how the Biden administration was the second worst administration, the history of this country. People have no idea how bad it was.

Every single agency was chaotic. Nothing worked. And this is just part of that. And we'll have a slew of stuff on Sunday. Nothing really meaningful. I mean, they, you know, suspended the Secret Service agents as they should have. They fired the director as they should have. The guy was a nut.

I don't know if there's anything more to that. I doubt it. I'm more interested in the guy in the bushes because we don't know anything about him that, you know, they got before him. I'd like to know a little bit about him. But, again, the federal government, it doesn't really matter who's present. president. They never want to tell us stuff, Beck. Never. It's always you got to pull it out of them. You know, it's almost like Russia or something. Come on. Right. Let me ask you, let me take you back again to the Epstein thing. I noticed yesterday there were these people who are, who are on the left,

who are taking tweets of mind that say, look, these things don't make sense on the Epstein thing. And they just have to be answered. And not anti-Trump at all. And yet the anti-Trump people were retweeting that. And they're trying to get the right to fight against itself again and split people away from Donald Trump. Where I don't think this Epstein thing is splitting people from Donald Trump, at least at this point. And I, you know, my wife stopped me from answering some of those tweets yesterday. because it's never good when you tweet in anger, which I did. But, or was going to.

What do you think about how this is being used against the right to try to separate us even more? Everything is political. Everybody knows that now. But the MAGA people from the mail I get, and I get a voluminous amount of mail, they're not happy. Oh, I agree. I'm not happy. Are they going to throw President Trump under the cliche-ridden bus? No.

Because to them, the greater good is being served by a fair tax bill trying to cut waste, dealing with Iran effectively, and hopefully dealing with Putin. That's another thing that's on Trump's plate. He's got to deal with Putin now. Has to. And that's going to be the next big story. How is he going to deal with it? So they're in Lavrov and Rubio

or in Indonesia as we speak. And I assume that Rubio is delivering a message like, this is it. You either stop or we're going to just absolutely crush you economically, which the United States can do by saying, no bank does business with Moscow. And if you do business, no matter what bank you are, we're going to put you out of business.

Okay? I've only got a couple of seconds, but didn't, but didn't we already do that under Biden? No. We didn't do the bank. We did the sanctions. And the sanctions they could always get around because China's going to buy as much oil from Russia as possible.

But you stop the banks from doing all business with Moscow. Isn't that what the Swift thing was all about? Wasn't that what we, when we kicked him off of Swift? Wasn't that what that was all about? No, because he can see. still doing huge business with countries buying his oil. And they got to pay Putin and Russia for

the oil. And that has to go through the banking system. If you stop the banking system, he can't get paid. It's amazing. I'm glad I'm not the president right now. I think he has made some very brave decisions. And he is walking a tightrope. I mean, the world is on edge. And he looks very tired to me. He looks very tired of him. I haven't talked to him in a while, which is unusual. But you're right. You're absolutely right. But that's the second time you've been right in this conversation. My God, what is that's crazy? I was wrong about you being dead. Right. I don't know. It's good to talk to you, my friend. Is everything okay? Is everything going well? Everything's all right. Beck, we are phenomenally successful, but that's all news. We've been that

for 50 years. But I appreciate you having me on your fine program. Hey, I love you. It sounds like he's still breathing, which is a, you know, in some precincts,

that's good. Right. Yeah. But look, let's, I got a big book called Confronting Evil. Of course,

we sent it to you, and of course, you'll deny getting it. But that comes out September 9th. So put me on the dance card. We'll have you on. We'll have you on.

Yeah. Okay. And you can also find Bill and his YouTube page, YouTube. or is it the walking dead. I'm not even laughing. He's not even laughing right now.

Maybe he hung up. Bill O'Reilly, great to have him on. You're streaming the best of the Glenn Beck program, and you can find full episodes wherever you download podcasts. This guy is one of my favorite authors. He is best-selling international investigative author, 300 award-winning editions, 20 different languages in 190 countries, as well as scores as newspaper magazine articles from the leading publications in the United States, Israel, and in Europe.

He has hosted his weekly issues-oriented and history-based podcast, The Endwood Black Show now for, I don't know, since I think he started right around the time COVID happened, I think. And he is, he's written some of my favorite books, including The Farhood, which is a must read, and IBM in the Holocaust, which is a must read as well, especially since IBM now is making some of the leading AI for doctors. Let's go to Edwin Black. Hi, Edwin. How are you? Good morning, Glenn.

How are you? I'm great. So the first thing that went through my mind when I saw this come out, I thought, okay, how could you possibly write a book about the bombing of Israel, about the bomb. bombing of Iran this quickly. Now I know the answer. Tell the answer. Okay. Well, first of all, Glenn, I always knew that Israel would attack Iran and that America would help out. I've been tracking the progress of the Iranian nuclear enterprise day by day for about 20 years. I actually wrote most of the text about two years ago when I thought the attack was imminent.

And I've been waiting for the last chapter to be written. And when finally Operation Rising Lion and Operation Midnight Hammer put an end to Iran's nuclear ambitions, which, by the way, would have doomed humanity to mushroom clouds. When finally that happened, I went to work. I worked with a great team, my publishers and my channels. I'm sure you know what the channel challenges. They all cooperated at the executive level. And here we are.

You're the first to be told. And the book has just released in 190 countries. 12 different editions, audio, electronic, paperback, and hardback. That's great. You know, I know, because I know your research is so solid, and I know how thorough you are, you go in in the book and you talk about this warhead, and something that most people don't know, we have been training for this exact operation for about 15 years. I mean, we built a, we built a model in the ground.

I think it was in White Sands, wasn't it? A model of this particular facility to try this bomb out years ago to see exactly how far it could penetrate. Can you tell a little bit of that story? That's right. I was actually the first one some years ago to reveal the existence in an article that I wrote of the massive ordinance penetrator. And I revealed this 30,000 pound never before tried bomb, which was basically dependent upon an incredibly hard shell coming down at incredibly fast rate of speed. So it would penetrate and then wait until it penetrated hundreds of feet below the earth and then finally detonate this extraordinary exploits. And there was one and then basically two guys in the Department of the Defense who were in on the development of the mop. And for 15 years, approximately, they studied every satellite image of the Ford O facility that you've made reference to where they had thousands of these centrifuges.

They studied every night the changes, the ground, the weather. They made a test replica. And they finally went down in the ventilation shaft. So that was unobstructed. And then the force of the overpressure and the fire just destroyed everything. Yeah, the ventilation shaft, I mean, you know, that is, that's right out of the movie, the second top gun in so many ways. And I was told this bomb was so accurate and had many fail safes if you were jammed,

if the GPS was jammed or whatever, it could still operate. And it could target for 50,000 feet. It could hit the center of a Coke can if that was the target. It was that accurate. Well, that's exactly the first test was actually against a red flag that was no bigger than a t-shirt and it was dropped from 55,000 feet. There's only three airplanes that can carry this. That's the B-2, the B-2 bomber, the B-52, and of course, now the new B-41, which is the Raider. There are very few of those. There were many, many options that Israel had, some of which I can't reveal.

There were many secret weapons that Israel had, which were extraordinary, which have not been used. And I think, Glenn, this will not be the last kinetic action that we see in Iran because they have made it clear. They're going to continue to find a way to reconstitute their program. And so, yes, the program was obliterated, but it can be unobliterated by the, apocalyptic Shia regime that believes it is destined to bring in the apocalypse and paradise by exterminating the Jews of Israel. And of course, if one of these did get through and there were only two weeks away, and my book Israel Strikes Iran makes this very clear, if one of these would have gotten through Israel, strikes capability.

ability by air, by land, and by sea. Let me ask you, you say it was obliterated. How do we know it was obliterated and not just set back a few months? How do we know that it was obliterated and nothing was moved in the last minute? Well, a lot of people have seen, there are 400 kilograms, about 881 pounds of highly enriched 60% uranium. 60% is high. But to make a nuclear device, you need 90%.

The centrifuges that are involved in enriching those molecules. Basically, they work like a washer dryer. They spin off the isotopes. Those have been destroyed. The manufacturing location. that made those IR6 centrifuges

has destroyed. In addition, these systems are so difficult and so sensitive, if you just push one, you'll throw it off, you'll throw it off filter, and they have to be serviced

on a regular basis, calibrated and service. Now, both things are true. It was obliterated, And if you have a theocratic regime that is intent on subjecting its own population to devastating sanctions for years and becoming a rogue theocracy, they can start it up again. But you can track these molecules. You can track them with drones. You can track them with trucks.

They don't need to hide these systems underground, and they're already studying a location at Pickax Mountain. They can put them in barns, and they can put them in oil tankers. They can put them in Yemen. So the only way to really know that we've stopped clear ambition is regime change. Now, that was not done because the powers. to be both in Israel and Washington did not want to decapitate ahead of state. It's going to be up to the people of Iran to make that happen. But already, 700 people have been arrested.

Seven have been executed. People are being stopped on the street. They're afraid to, their phones are being seized, so they're afraid to leave home with their phone and they're clamping down. I think that we're going to see more kinetic action in the coming days. You can mark my words because the Iranian regime doesn't know how to say no. Well, you think this will be American action or Israeli action? Once again, it'll be Israeli action, but there may be an American assist. Remember, when you say Israeli action, Israel is usually. using millions of dollars worth of American weaponry.

So we are providing the weapons. They're making many of their own, but we are providing them. And let me switch topics here. Biden didn't. And Biden didn't. And Biden blackmailed Israel from the moment of October 7th and actually held up the minesweepers, the 2,000-pound bombs.

and the helicopters that Israel needed. So we are definitely behind Israel here. You are the guy who, you were on a show, I don't know, a few years ago, and you talked to me about, I think it was a six or seven stages to, you know, a holocaust. And we were traveling down that road pretty quickly. We still had some significant things we had to pass. But as I watch what's happening with, Islamicism over in Europe. And I see what's coming over here in America, what's on our own streets.

I am really concerned about Islam. And I should make sure I'm saying it right. Islamists, the people that want Sharia law, which seem to be in massive numbers now, at least in Europe. Well, you've made the correct distinction. It's not Islam. It's Islamism. Because remember, There are more Indians, excuse me, there are more Muslims in India, which is very friendly to Israel, and of course, to Gulf states that are very friendly with Israel. But it's the Islamists. And these are the people you are referring to, the radicals. And yes, these are the people who, I'm afraid, you're terribly right, have overtaken the capitals of Europe. And more than that, they've overtaken the English-speaking world.

outside of the United States. And I refer now to Canada. I referred to Ireland. I referred to Australia, to Great Britain, to South Africa. And I believe that what you fear will break out closest to home first in Canada before it actually filters into our country as well. But I can tell you, it's coming into our country. and we have not had a serious conversation about what we should do.

Edwin Black from the Edwin Black Show. It's a podcast you can hear. He is the author of IBM in the Holocaust and Farood, which you really need to read. And the new one, Israel Strikes Iran, the backstory behind Israel's Operation Rising Line. It's Israel Strikes Iran. Make sure you pick it up. It's available in all formats. as of yesterday.

Or no, it releases, I think, today. So make sure you get it. Edwin, as always, my friend. Good to talk to you. Thank you. Thank you, Glenn. I hope to see you soon. You got it.