The Glenn Beck Program - Best of The Program | Guests: Dr. Richard Bartlett & Harvey Rosenfield | 8/10/20

Episode Date: August 10, 2020

CNN’s Brian Stelter suggests that conservative talk radio is dangerous and out to get Joe Biden. California Gov. Gavin Newsom is going after private tutors. Acclaimed doctor Richard Bartlett may have found the “silver bullet” for the coronavirus, and it’s a common respiratory medicine. Consumer advocate Harvey Rosenfield explains how our phone data is being used to create “secret surveillance scores.” Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Glenn has all the background information and a lot of stuff that was said on the show before. It's turning out to be accurate. We'll get into the details there. We find out from CNN as well that apparently no one's ever seen anything like talk radio this time around. They've never seen people so critical of Joe Biden. And there's no equivalent on the other side. There's no one who's just like criticizing Donald Trump over every little thing that he does that does not exist. We'll get into that.

New stuff on COVID-19 and hydroxychloroquine is in today's show. Elon Omar. We're at the point now. You can read the story on The Blaze, but it looks like all of this stuff has kind of come. come through at least as close as we can possibly track it. There's not much more we can do on the journalistic side. You kind of now need to go to the legal side of this particular equation. And what is going on with the economy?

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about Brian Stelter. I know he's going to be talked about on every talk show in America today. If you don't know who he is congratulations you shouldn't and i hate to even bring this up because it's it seems self-serving or it uh it's like well of course but this is an example of somebody that is

so self unaware he he must not even see his reflection in mirrors yeah he must be invisible to himself yes uh i want you to listen to what he said on was it reliable sources? Is that what he does? Or what's the name of the? Reliable. On reliable sources

on CNN with Brian Stelter. Listen to this. When you see entire media companies essentially exist to tear down Joe Biden. Is there an equivalent

to that on the left tearing down Trump? There really isn't. And you know, what I would say, it's really a diet of this type of information that a lot of these voters

are getting. A lot of the voters that I talk to, I can, you know, when I interview them, I do hear them saying a lot of the talking points that sound very familiar from some of these shows, which I try to listen to when I'm out on the campaign trail or when I'm at home, you know, watching TV. You know, you can hear these

comments being echoed by voters. That's one of the most mind-numbing questions and answers of all time. It proves A, Brian Stilter does doesn't even watch his own network nor his own show. Otherwise, he wouldn't be asking that question. So any other network is similar to Fox News that would bash Trump the way Fox bashes Biden.

Are you credible? It's not even close. We, you guys, we have in, Sarah, can you go to the Daily Wire and see their story on Brian Stelter and pull up the clip that, that, Ben Shapiro pulled. It's even more outrageous than this. It really is more outrageous than this.

I thought this was the clip that we had where he opens it up and he starts to talk about how, you know, there is, I want to tell you something that psychiatrists and psychologists and political scientists have now pointed out, there is a condition to where people, hate the other candidate so much that they hate those people more than the truth itself.

And I thought, oh, he's going to do an expose thing on CNN in the mainstream media. And he said, and this is what's going on. It's unbelievable you will not believe what's happening on talk radio. this is a center of hate that is just poured out over the nation every day. It's unbelievable. Oh my gosh. It's absolutely unbelievable. And it's, it's, it's, I heard this this morning and I thought this is the seeds that are now being planted to get rid of talk radio if Joe Biden wins.

We're gone. We're gone. Because we're just nothing but hate mongers. We have escaped this, this eye of death, the eye of Moloch, if you will, because Donald Trump has taken all the oxygen out of the room. As soon as Donald Trump is no longer there, its talk radio again is going to be the big boogeyman. I really just can't imagine the level. It's incomprehensible to me that you'd think what they describe is going on. I mean, I think, honestly, Joe Biden has had the easiest road.

of any candidate in my lifetime from the right. About the only thing we've pointed out is that he might be going senile. He's like, oh. And we've expressed actual concern over it. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. We have not lobbed hatred at him. Not at all. We have actually lobbed facts against him.

We can't get anybody to be interested in the dealings in China or the dealings in Ukraine. You can't get anybody interested in that. Nobody is interested. Everybody just feels sad about Joe Biden. And quite honestly, I think we worry about who's really going to be running the country. And they would be saying that too if they just weren't in bed with the Democratic Party. They would absolutely be saying the same thing.

Can somebody question him on whether he's all there? Because it looks as though he's sliding any reasonable. person would say that. And Democrats obviously see that as well. They just don't like Trump. And this is what it's been. It's been all an election about Trump. Biden has skated from almost all criticism. Yeah, we've done

shows months ago about his corruption in China and Ukraine. And you're right, Glenn, it's hard to get people interested in it. I mean, we did a thing on Suddo's America about Biden's eulogizing a KKK member, right? Like, why?

That hasn't been all over, conservative media? How is it possible in the middle of this moment that in this close to an election, that hasn't been out there? We've barely even talked about his policies. Yeah, barely. Awful. Yeah. Well, you were just, Pat was just talking about what was it? Four trillion dollars in taxes? Yeah, and tax increases is what he's proposing. Four trillion dollars. Has that been even talked about this guy? No. Faced almost no scrutiny. The only scrutiny he's received is his age and how old he is. And I think that's been general, to be fair, split between laughing at how pathetic he is when he's on stage and screwing up all the time and feeling legitimately like this doesn't feel right.

Somebody should stop this. It's like weekend at Bernie's. Like not even in a joking way, but like in a, I actually feel like worried about his, his health way. And worried about the country. But really, I think it's the human emotion of, man, I feel bad for him. You see the slipping. That nobody in his family, nobody who loves him is going to pull him out and say,

enough of this. Stop it. he's given his whole life you don't need to have him go out this way i mean it's it's remarkable what what is uh what's happening and you know you know stew you said i think he's in your lifetime i'm trying to think of a democratic president or candidate that has gotten an easier pass i mean even bill clinton had to finally answer questions during the first campaign uh i would say the Pat, you would know, I think it's Jimmy Carter. Who got a pass?

Yeah. Yeah. The last one that really didn't get, you know, crucified. I think Jimmy Carter, the thing was, really? This guy? I mean, nobody hated him. No, it's just that the economy was in such a sad state of affairs that you couldn't vote for him at the end. Yeah, different than in the end.

You said 76. Yeah, I'm thinking 7. Oh, 76. Nobody, yeah, he got a complete pass. Yeah, there wasn't a hatred for him. And I would say the same thing of that is probably one of Trump's biggest obstacles here is that there's just no passion against Joe Biden. The passion is either for Trump or against Trump. There's no passion for on either side, really, of Biden, where with Clinton, he had legitimate passion.

People couldn't stand her. They couldn't stand Barack Obama. They couldn't stand Al Gore. Like, I think it goes all the way back to preceding talk radio. point out Carter, it's before really talk radio is any force in this country. Oh, yeah, for sure. You have to go way before it. No one has ever seen anything like this.

And for them to make that point at this time when CNN is essentially a network that runs nonstop anti-Trump stories. Absolutely. They accused him of peeing on hookers in Russia. I mean, they ran that story. As if it was a real. I mean, but I mean, it's right. And it's not even.

just these big ones where they also said you know that he was insane and the it was a 13th amendment needed to be uh implemented to take him out of office is it no 20 23rd 20 23rd 20 i don't know whatever it is whatever it is whatever one of this i'm getting them all confused the point being though that that's what they've done that and these big splash stories that conservatives have noticed but watch their coverage on a routine basis every single story comes back to this guy they are completely obsessed with him completely obsessed. Watch, I dare you, because no one's done it in the past few years, watch one episode of the Aaron Burnett show. It is all she talks about all the time. She's completely obsessed with

this man. And every show on CNN replicates this idea. If it's a story about schools, it goes back to Trump. If it's a story about the economy, it goes back to Trump. There's nothing separate. It certainly goes back to Trump. Every single. single part of me. They will recite the four or five things Donald Trump said in February and March where he kind of was dismissive. No one in their audience knows that Nancy Pelosi

said the same stuff. No one in their audience knows that Andrew Cuomo and Bill DeBlazio and Bill Zobosio and some cases. No one ever talks about that on the network. They talk about Trump doing it. They are completely overwhelmed with him. They can't do anything else on the network.

Like I've never seen anything like it. It's gone so far. that they won't even recognize the Chicago murder rate is the highest it's been since like 1992. It is last July, they broke all records, the biggest, deadliest month since 1992, and only slightly more deadly than June 1992. It's the since Floyd's death, some of the most violent days, in the 20 years of official data. So no, you won't talk about that.

And if you do, it's Trump. It's Trump. They've come to such an extreme position to where they won't even condemn violence. There was a story in the New York Times this weekend about the protesters in, in, um, in, um, Antifa and the riots in Portland. And I've never seen anything like it. I mean, literally never see anything like it. It was like a fashion show spread. It had these people in their regular everyday life, you know, a guy sitting on a lawnmower.

And then the next picture is him all in his Scentifa gear. And it was showing you, see, these are just normal people. They didn't do that with a tea party who were sitting around making signs with glitter with their kids. at a kitchen table. But they are doing it with Antifa and people who are radicals who want to destroy

the Western way of life. It's nuts. It's absolutely nuts. And on the Trump part of this, Portland was under siege for weeks and weeks and months. And they never talked about it at all. It wasn't until Trump got involved by sending

in federal troops that they got interested in the story because they could blame Trump. for it. Remember they kept saying their coverage on that was not that they were trying to light a federal building on fire for weeks and weeks and weeks in front of cameras because he said troops there. And they said, you know what? He said troops there

and that made it worse. Yeah. Like it's the only thing that interests them about the news is Donald Trump's relationship to it. They're selling this as Portland is always always been protests in Portland. That's just the way of life in Portland. Is it

is it because ask the people of downtown Portland the business leaders of downtown Portland they've had enough and they supported these guys they've had enough and it's happening in city after city after city businesses are leaving i'm telling you california is is economically going to collapse it's going to collapse because they're hastening their ending by chasing so many people out of the state do you know that they're now, Newsom is now saying that he may go after

people who homeschool or tutor their kids at home. That he may, he may actually ban that and go after you if you're trying to teach your own kids at home. It is,

it is insane what's going on. And of course, Brian Stelter is on top of all of it because that's just the way he rolls. This is the best of the Glenn Beck program. If you live in Texas, you may

know, Rick Perry appointed him to the newly formed Texas Health Disparities Task Force, and it was an advisory body, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. He was also asked to remain on the task force for seven years, received a meritorious service

award from the Texas Department of Health and Human Services. His peers have elected him to serve as the County Medical Society President for four consecutive terms. He served for 20 years of the local CBS medical expert. I mean, the guy is well known and well credentialed. I don't know what they're going to do to him now because he says that he has found something that he thinks everyone should try if you have the symptoms of COVID.

So I wanted to give you what I was taking, and I wanted to talk to Dr. Bartlett, so if you are feeling anything like it's coming on, you can ask your doctor about this. Welcome, Dr. Bartlett. How are you? Glenn, I'm doing great. Thanks. I'm honored to be with you. Well, thank you very much. And thank you for the kind consultations and advice that I know you've given my doctor. is it possible that with everybody in my family, I mean, I've got immune disorder, everything else, I should have been the first one to get it. But as soon as anybody in the family started to get things and I started to feel down at all, I started the flight of medication that you have recommended.

And I didn't get it. Is it possible that I was going to get cold? and didn't because of this? Well, bottom line, Glenn, is that the testing has false negatives and false positives that have been proven over and over, and I've had personal experiences of taking care of patients who initially test negative, and I'm treating them, and they're getting better, and then later they get a test after being treated for 11 days, and 90% of their symptoms are gone, and it's positive.

Well, they probably had it all along, and we're seeing this over and over again, where three people in the family have the same symptoms that started at the same time, two test positive, one test negative. They all happen. Symptomatology is the term where you look at the big picture. You use common sense. You use good medical judgment with your training, and you treat the patient. You don't treat the test.

Treating the test is killing people. But I want to tell you this strategy that came to me was when I was looking for a stopgap measure that would help me save someone's life as an emergency room doctor because I also work in the emergency room. And back in March, we were told there was nothing to do. Wait until they have severe symptoms. As a matter of fact, they should not be helped at all if they have mild to moderate symptoms. Wait until they have severe symptoms. So me being an ER doctor and thinking, what am I going to do if someone comes in the

emergency room with their loved ones, and they say, I can't breathe. Because this is a respiratory, inflammatory disease, COVID is, that causes people to have trouble breathing. And breathing is really important. I teach you know, that seems intuitive, but people seem, you have leaders right now. I don't know how they became leaders, but they're talking about waves and curves. How about medicine, science, facts, airway, breathing, circulation, the ABCs of CPR, of advanced trauma life support, of advanced cardiac life support? Breathing is fundamental.

And when someone can't breathe, this is what they look like. Many times their lips are blue, you can see the panic in their eyes. You hear the panic in their voice. They might be confused because they're low on oxygen. and some people can tolerate that better than others, but we know that the comorbidities that are having trouble with COVID and dying are the people who have, they have diabetes, they've smoked for 50 years, they have a heart disease, and so they're reserved,

and being able to handle low oxygen is less than someone else, and the dangerous they could die. And so besides that, it's not just, an inconvenience, what about empathy? What about alleviating human suffering? There's a place for that still in medicine. And just as a human, we don't want to see other humans suffer. But there are some common sense, practical, proven medical things that we can do. And so we know this is an inflammatory disease. How about an anti-inflammatory medicine? It's a respiratory problem in the lungs is where the inflammation is, how about putting the anti-inflammatory medicine

to the source of the problem in the lungs with a inhaled steroid, a nebulizer treatment of eudescine, which has been out for 25 years, which is being used by millions of Americans every day that are healthy to protect them from getting sick. And so that was the strategy that I've been using and it's working. So the bucetanide is is something that you looked at and said, why are we giving steroids in a tablet form? We should be, we should be getting that steroid directly into the lungs. And it is, if you get it early enough, it stops the, correct me if I'm wrong, the cytokine storms that happen. because we know that that is a big problem with this.

Our immune system goes into a storm, and then it just spirals out of control. So if you're saying, wait, wait, wait, you're in the middle of the storm. So this logic of waiting until so on is in distress, and then helping them has never been employed successfully in American healthcare forever. We don't use that against the top three killers,

heart attack, stroke, and cancer, let's just say if someone called 911, and they said, I have slurred speech, and I'm 65 years old, and I has smoked for 50 years, and all my family has strokes, you won't have the 911 dispatcher say, well, maybe you're overtired. Call us when you have severe symptoms. That's ridiculous, and I would never recommend that. That's bad medicine. But with this disease, we have a situation where the strategy that's been pushed on the American public is if you have mild to moderate symptoms, wait until you've got severe symptoms and then seek help. But, you know, even when people have severe symptoms, because by and large, people comply with what they're told, they have severe symptoms, they're short of breath, they go to the emergency room.

And many times they're told, take Tylen, yes, you tested positive. and yes, you feel miserable, but you're not sick enough yet. Go home, take Tylenol and tough it out. And when you get sicker, come back. That would be like a real situation that I took care of, a one-year-old who swallowed a quarter. And the family brought the kid to the ER where I was working. I'm the one, and the child is not in immediate distress,

but on the x-ray, I see a quarter lodged in the throat. I could this is how ridiculous things have gotten I it would be like you don't give a one year old Tylenol they can't swallow it'd be like me handing them a blankie uh with uh with a little unicorn on it and saying take this child home wrap it in the blankie and sing its favorite song and keep it comfortable until you have severe symptoms it's ridiculous logic uh we need to take care of people early and avoid the things that are even more dangerous, like intubating a patient, which can aerosolize and put them on a ventilator. What are you seeing as far as results on this? Oh, if you catch this early, I'm having, you can, I have one patient who, with the first

treatment, that's the only treatment he needed because he was within hours of his fever, chills, body aches. He had just been on a plane with another person behind him that was COVID positive, and he was concerned, and rightfully so, it turned out to be COVID, but one breathing treatment stopped all the symptoms. And I've had other patients who were sick for, well, one patient that has two kinds of lymphoma, cancer in the blood. She just received radiation a month before, and she's on chemotherapy currently for the cancer, and for five days she was flat on her back in bed, with a nonstop fever, couldn't sleep. And she calls me on a Friday, says my granddaughter tested positive.

I heard you on the radio. Would you please help me? And so on that Friday, I call in the breathing treatments and the medicine. She takes her first treatment, sleeps all night long for the first time in five days. Her fever breaks. Over the weekend, she recovers. She's able to teach an eight-hour day of music lessons via Skype to her kids on Monday. And then she tests negative twice after becoming symptomatic.

free. And so that's what I see. The people are telling me many times I hear it very often, while they're getting their breathing treatment with budescine, many times they tell me, my chest pain is going away, my shortness of breath is going away during the treatment. I feel much better right after the treatment. And this is not a medicine that I invented. I'm not looking for new patients. I'm not making any money off of this. This costs $3 for a breathing treatment. is something you can, I recommend people being treated early in every disease, including this life-threatening pandemic, with a medicine that's cheap, cost-effective. They can sit on their couch, watch Netflix, and for five minutes get a breathing treatment and get relief from their shortness of breath and chest pain. That seems like a good idea.

It made all the difference to Tanya, I know. she would say that. She would take the breathing treatment. She'd say, oh, my gosh, I feel so much better. And she took it, I don't remember for how many days, but she took it for several days. And it dramatically improved her breathing. And like I said, I started it the minute I started feeling any kind of symptoms. And I did it for three days, I think, as well, four days.

and I haven't had any problems at all. I mean, it's been really, really miraculous. I want to talk to you a little bit about what people should ask their doctor and kind of go over what I did. I think it's pretty much the same thing that Louis Goldmert is doing. Are you, is he a patient of yours or? So, Louis, he's reached out to me on my cell phone. I've had the privilege of talking to some amazing people who are real public servants,

including Louis Gomer. And so I've been shocked many times at who's reaching out to me on my cell phone. But I'm not his doctor. He has doctors that are taking care, doing excellent care, but they're using the strategy that I have recommended. And if someone goes to COVID silverbullet.com, COVID silver bullet.com, you can download the PDF, which talks about, you click on case study. And that talks about, Glenn, this would be interesting to you.

I picked two patients to highlight salient points in my care of COVID patients and to explain why I'm doing what I'm doing. And one of those patients was the one that I described that had initially a negative test and then later tested positive. So it happens over and over again. This is not uncommon. And there's reasons why. So you might want to look at that.

But COVID-Silverbullet.com has the strength. strategy that I'm using. This is the best of the Glenn Beck program. Well, some things now are being discovered and were written about by Harvey Rosenfeld from the represent consumers. And he has pulled a blanket off of this that is pretty ugly. And I want him to go over what he has found and what's really happening to our data because it's now being used to score you.

Harvey, what does that even mean? What it means is that a handful of firms deep in the shadows of the online marketplace are taking the vast quantity of data that all of our devices spew, not just our cell phones, but even our TVs and refrigerators and our cars, taking all this data and turning it through algorithms into a score that determines whether we're going to pay more than somebody else for the same product, at a hardware store, whether we're going to get a job or get an apartment or get into the college we want to get into. It means that some people who are scored are considered crooks because they return

merchandise. It doesn't work too often. It means that people who, some people just are going to get really bad customer service if you have a low score. These scores are developed by these shadowy firms. nobody knows anything about the firms. Nobody knows anything about the scores, but they're purchased by some of the major retail brands and landlords and employers in the United States

and secretly applied to each of us. It's like everybody knows about the credit score, but nobody knows about these secret surveillance scores. This is really terrifying. A, how did you stumble across it? and what do we do about it? Well, Represent Consumers is a nonprofit organization that is looking at the future and trying to figure out what it means for consumers. And it's very difficult to find information about it.

You know, the Wall Street Journal, the Washington Post, a few other, very few other papers in the country have reported on this. So we did some research. My colleague Laura Antonini and I did some research. which we submitted a massive petition, a 40-page report to the United States Federal Trade Commission, urging them to investigate it in 2019. They didn't do anything. And we recently wrote an op-ed in the Washington Post, which is getting a lot of attention. The point is that you can't, unlike your credit score, which at least the law requires you to be notified about,

there is no requirement in the law now with respect to how this information is collected. It can be inaccurate. It could be unfairly biased against people. You can't contest your score. We call them the secret surveillance scores. You can't contest those scores. You don't even know what the company is that's issuing the score. All you know is that one day you might try to return a product,

and they will tell you, sorry, you can't return it because you've been flagged as a, basically you've been flagged as a crook. So, so wait a minute. How do we know these companies are using it? Somebody's got to be writing the check for it. So why can't we find out who the company is? How are they linking up with other companies? I mean, they're buying something.

How come we can't find the seller? Okay, so here's the problem, Glenn. Here's what's happening in our market. your place right now. All of our devices are spewing torrents of our data. That can be the most intimate data. I mean, they know where we are. They know what we're doing. They know what our preferences are. They probably know something about, you know, our romantic interests. They know about our health. All of this data is being collected, and it's widely available on the internet. And there are companies called data brokers that purchase it and collect it. Then they

sell our data to these companies that I mentioned, deep in the recesses of the marketplace. You've never heard of the names of some of these companies. And they have engineers who do nothing but take all that data and write algorithms that purport supposedly predict how we're going to behave in the future. Are we going to be a good, quote, good consumer or bad consumer? Those scores are then marketed to companies, retail, clothing companies, you know, hardware chains, colleges,

people who are, you know, large corporations who do a lot of hiring, those folks want to know whether we're going to be good for them. So, for example, some people may not hire you because your score shows that you have to commute too far, or that the score predicts that you won't stay at your job. So the market,

It starts off and with all of our data ends up in this single digit score that some company is applying to you and you don't know it because there's no requirement that they disclose it to you. You know, I have to tell you, this reminds me a lot of what Bill Gates was trying to do with the eventual implementation of Common Core. He was looking for data to be able to say this person should be a gymnast. This person should be a mechanic. this person should be a doctor and you'd gather all of this information over the years in school and you would be able to point them in the right direction really from the first moment that they start to give that data to the system and it it kind of takes away your you know your own free will And I know that's something that's being debated now on whether we will have free will or not, because we'll be so manipulated.

It's not necessarily a problem that they collect this data and use this data. The problem is we can't get access to it. I don't... Right? Absolutely right. There are no laws that protect Americans against the collection and use of our data. in any way. So that at the end of the day, this is a lot like, as you point out, I mean, when I was a kid, you know, we had a fill out, I remember taking a test that was supposedly going to an aptitude test,

to tell me what I was going to be good at, right? Now we've got these faceless engineers behind in some Silicon Valley location, or they could be anywhere or overseas, and they're programmed these algorithms that are supposed to predict with far greater accuracy, our behavior, as citizens, as consumers, as taxpayers. And as you probably know, you know, over in China, they have created something called the social credit system where the government actually scores people on whether they're loyal, whether they follow directions,

whether they cross the street on a red light. I mean, in China, they've taken this, and turned it into a part of the autocratic dictatorship that limits people's choices, Here in the United States so far, it's just about commercial enterprise, but obviously it's a threat. So, Harvey, I don't want to get into politics at all with you, but you know that I'm a conservative, and I always thought, I have always thought that those on the left, and I don't

mean the crazy Marxist, I mean just my neighbors that are, you know, more liberal than I am, that thought that the corporations are going to take over the world and everything else. I am worried about our government and what it can quickly become, but I think I'm more worried about the corporations because they don't have any constitution to regulate them. So everything that they do, they could sell it to the government, give it to the government. They could just use it without the government even knowing or caring. And we're caught in this little game of theirs where they're trying to get us to do something, buy something, move somewhere, do something. You know what I mean?

It's really we become puppets in a play that we don't think we're even in. Well, it sounds a lot like the Matrix, doesn't it? That's, that movie. It does. It does. That's really the truth. And this issue transcends any kind of ideology. Americans are united against the notion that their information about them is being deployed

like weapons against them by people who we don't even know. And the impact can be very harsh. It turns Americans into second-class citizens, some Americans who get low scores. And it really is inconsistent with what we think of as a free market, because now every These scores treat every person as if they were their own market, and the seller no longer has to sell to you if they don't like who you are. So, Harvey, how do we stop our information from going there, and what do we do to stop this? Well, I think you pointed out the first problem. It's just we have to regain control over our information. and right now all of most of the quote privacy reforms you hear about are sort of stuck in this

outdated 19th century contract law model well all they have to do is disclose what they're doing to us and then we have to give consent to it but we all consent every day when we buy something you know you click i agree and yes i know you're going to do that when you when we go online to purchase something so there have to be basically our data should be treated like our own personal property and and since It's worth a lot of money to other people. If people want to use it and we want to give it to them, they have to pay for it. They have to actually give us money and pay for it.

So that's the first thing. Yes. The second, excuse me, the second thing is all about using the secret surveillance scores. We cannot allow a society to develop, and it's already well on the way to this, that is based on engineers who we don't know, drafting, coding, is the word they use for it, these algorithms, that actually judge us, and eventually will, using artificial intelligence, these algorithms will be able to outthink us and purport to be able to predict what's going to happen to each of us, and whether we're going to be good people or bad

people, and that's got to be exposed, and it's got to be stopped. We have, at least... Yeah, because it depends on who's programming those algorithms. it can also not only judge us, but then it can also shape us to make us into a better citizen, whatever the algorithm decides that is. One quick last question, Harvey, the idea that, oh, this is just metadata, there's no way to assign that. All of that is over because of how fast we can compute now, right? I mean, they can tie everything directly to a citizen, no matter what, no matter how big it is.

That's right. they say it's all masked so nobody can figure out who you are, that's a lie. They know how, they know who you are, they know what you're doing, they can connect all the dots, the algorithms help them do that. Amazing. Thank you for being on this and would love to stay in touch with you, Harvey, because I am very concerned about big tech and what is happening with these companies. They are out of control. I'm not a guy that believes in breaking things up, but I don't know what to do with these companies. This is the one place that I could say the founders never thought of. They never thought of a company becoming more powerful than the government. And it is very concerning.

So anything you need and anything you want to alert people to, please reach out. Take advantage of that. Thank you very much for this opportunity. Thank you.