The Glenn Beck Program - Best of the Program | Guests: Frances Staudt & Paul List | 10/10/25

Episode Date: October 10, 2025

Glenn goes through some of the lessons he shared during his Turning Point USA event at the University of North Dakota. Glenn speaks with a young athlete named Frances Staudt, who, after refusing to play basketball with a male identifying as a woman, required security to speak at an event advocating for the protection of women’s sports. “Mount Doom” co-author Paul List discusses what J.R.R. Tolkien predicted about artificial intelligence and transhumanism in “The Lord of the Rings.”  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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including my trip up to North Dakota last night to the TPSA event. I was filled with hope after seeing the 2,500. seat auditorium filled to the rafters. And seeing these people that are showing up that are in college and who are really hungry to learn and ready to stand for what is right. It's really amazing. Apparently, though, I announced my retirement last night. I didn't mean to because I'm not retiring anytime soon.

But we also have a story that comes out of Rutgers University and a really important the story that is coming from a school district, Tumwater, Washington. A 16-year-old girl I'm going to introduce you to, her name is Francis Stout. She is amazing. And just a couple of pieces of an interview I did today on the full broadcast with Paul List. He says the Lord of the Rings, he's cracked the code of Tolkien. And he says Tolkien was warning us about today. AI, the rise of transhumanism, everything else,

and gives us the solution on how to defeat the spirit world that we are fighting against right now. Paul List, and he talks to us a little bit about his book, Mount Doom, all on today's podcast. Let me talk to you a little bit about Burn a Launcher. I'm headed up to Fort Wayne, Indiana, Fort Wayne, Indiana next week, Whoa, which is one of my favorite stations.

Fort Wayne is one of my favorite cities. They're having their 100th anniversary. And I can't wait to be up there. I wish you were coming with you, Stu, because I know you love Fort Wayne as well. But I'm going up there. And this is the home of Burnah. So I hope I have time.

I'm going to be able to try to swing over to see the people over at Burnah because they assemble everything here in America. and I think they were, I think 20% of the stuff was made here in America, you know, five, six years ago. When Trump put in the mandate and said, hey, want everything here in America, they did everything they can to switch. And I think they're 90% of their parts now are made in America and all hand put together here in Fort Wayne, Indiana. And they're a great, great American company. And honestly, I don't know why every teacher does not have one of these in their country.

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Help us push this podcast to the top. Rate, review, share. Together, we'll make a difference. And thanks for standing with us. Now let's get to work. You're listening to. the best of the blend back. Thank you so much for listening to the broadcast today. I just got back late, late, late last night from North Dakota. I wish you would have been there, Stu. With TPSA, it was amazing. They're awesome. They are. I wish I was there too. I saw that you're retiring. So are you going to become a baker? Or are you going to be? Yeah, somehow or another, I announced that I was retiring. I don't, I didn't know that. I didn't know that actually either. You know, seeing that I, you know, just signed an extension to my contracts. But yeah, that came out all wrong.

So you're, I was talking about Charlie and I was talking about how I was trying to teach, you've got to work for the things. Finish what you start. Get up every day and work and do the things you have to do to get. And I related it to when he was 16 years old. He said he wanted my job, he wanted to be like me, which translation, he wanted to be like Rush Limbaugh. He wanted the network show and everything else. and what I was trying to say was I was going to say to Charlie either last night when we saw each other or when I saw him at Amfest Charlie I told you, well, kid, maybe someday when he was 16 or 17 years old.

You got to do the work. You got to do the work. And I watched him and he did the work. And I wanted to take that to the next step and say, good job. Good job. You deserve any. You deserve any. way I can help you. I will mentor you. When I retire in 10 years, I'm never going to retire. But if I retire in 10 years, here are the keys. Take it. You deserve it. You deserve it. I mean, he's such a powerful person in the movement. And that is a, something that you've talked about, I know to me even off the air, but I think he. And I think that, I don't think he actually would have, I would have also said to him, you're stupid because you are. you are everywhere doing everything.

Yeah. Why, you know, Rush used to talk about this. I make my impact here. Charlie was making his impact everywhere. Yeah. In politics, in Washington. You know what I mean? But that's what I was trying to say.

So didn't introduce my retirement at all. I got so excited. I was like, oh my gosh, he's going away. And then you're like, oh, no, I'm sorry. Sorry, not going to do that. Unfortunately. Here, let me give you a couple of things that I shared. at TPSA yesterday.

I tried to, you know, as I was flying up, I thought, I want to share like some lessons that I've learned that are important. Cut one. You promise me if I live my life the way you tell me to live my life. If I'm always doing what you ask me to do, you will take this from me. This is about redemption. I don't know why they cut the ones with me crying.

And my life. changed overnight. See, I feel like if I was out on a ship, I wouldn't want my captain to be crying like this. The truth is about you that you have running in your head, but it's probably not very good. We all have

these things. Oh, if people only knew, if people only knew what I thought or what I did or I'm not good enough, I'm a fraud, whatever it is. That's a lie. Maybe somebody in your life has been telling you that crap. Turn that off. Turn that off.

Turn that off. You are a divine daughter and son of God with all of the rights and privileges that go with that. You are equipped with everything you need. Don't let anyone tell you somebody stands in your way. Don't let anybody tell you you can't do it. The system is rigged against you. I am a son of God. I have everything I need.

So you're retiring to be a Yai? captain that's what that no i'm going to take over for god oh okay you know he's so he talked to me he's he's retiring he's going to turn the keys over to me uh here is uh here i am talking about the recipe for success hopefully i'm not crying in this clip please help i meet a million people all the time who say i want to have your job usually what they're saying is i want the fame or i want the fortune And I'm like, you can have that. It's battery acid to the soul.

Really? You want my job? Yeah. Well, I'll help you any way I can. If you want an intern or you, you know, you want a mentorship. I'm willing to do that. No. Nobody finishes.

Nobody's willing to actually put in the work. You're not paid what you're paid because you kind of phone. it in, you only succeed when you are doing everything all the time and you are focused and you're disciplined and you work hard and you finish what you start. When that happens, the whole world changes. I'm telling you, work hard. People who are successful will see it and you'll rock it to the top. That is a section where I was talking about Charlie. He did the work. He did the work. He deserved to get the breaks because he created them.

Next one. I talked about, is there bad? Listen to this. There is no such thing as bad things. It's what you do with it. It's what you're going to do with Charlie Kirk's death. You had a choice. Choose death, choose anger, choose vengeance, or choose life.

Choose charity. choose peace, choose forgiveness, and look how you've already changed the world. There is no such thing as bad if you make the choice to see the good that can come from it. It was a great night. I could have spent, I mean, I could have sat down with those people all day long. I just, they are, there is great hope for America in the youth. And the bravery and the focus of that organization to continue with these events after everything that's happened.

Let me tell you something. Real, true bravery. Yeah. True bravery. It is, it's just great. And I, you know, I talked to them last night. And I want you to hear this. And I want you to share this with people who are their age.

Do you know what people were saying about the greatest American generation? Back in the day, this is in the 30s. You know, everybody's, you know, doesn't have a job. the Great Depression, things are not going well. We just came out of the roaring 20s. So now these kids who were born in the 20s, you know, they had refrigerated. This is what their parents and their grandparents

and everybody else said about that generation. They didn't have to go out and cut ice. We used to have to cut ice. We had to milk the cow every day. We wanted milk. We didn't have a refrigerator. Okay. We had to plow the fields by hand with horses.

Now they get on their tractors. These kids are soft. They haven't had to work a day in their life. You turn the keys over to them. Gotta help us because they don't have any work ethic. They don't know how hard it is to actually. All of the same things you're hearing about the 20 somethings now is what was said about the 20 somethings in the 30s. And those 20 somethings were the ones who became the greatest American generation.

So it's normal for us to say. say these things because when I was a kid, that happens every generation. Cut this generation some slack. Look at what's happening with the kids at TPPUSA. Sorry, I don't mean to say kids. The college students, the 20-somethings. Look at what's happening. Then look at those who are still in their teens. They're different. What we have to do is let them know. gang, this is your country. This is your country. You're going to be the generation that fixes it.

It's not my generation. We're the forgotten generation. We're just trying to hold things at bay. The generation before us screwed everything up. They're hippies and everybody's got to have everything and all of this crap. And then because we lost view of actual morals, actual morals, actual moral. sentiments and we just got trapped into fame, fortune, everything's about money, all of that. We started worshipping other gods. We lost it. They instinctively know this isn't right.

They instinctively know this isn't going to last. They instinctively know. I didn't know that when I was in my 20s. I didn't see the problems. They see the problems. They may not know how to fix it yet, but that's our job. Our job is to teach them principles, not the answers. principles, they will find the answers, and they're going to be the ones that either push us into slavery or push us into freedom. I see great hope on the horizon every time I'm with these kids. Every time I'm with them, I realize, oh my gosh, I remember David Barton and I talked in, well, we were at Fox, and he said to me, I got news for you, Glenn, we're not going to change it. And I'm like, what? Then what are what? He's like, we're not. Look at history. And he taught me some history about how it happened in the Revolutionary War. He's like, we're the ones who teach. We teach the youth and the youth are going to be the ones that are fixing it. And that's true. My, the, Charlie's generation, they learned from me and David and others like us on Fox. They took it and then went to Hillsdale and actually got a real education that they didn't pay for.

they didn't care about the diplomas. He didn't care about the, he just wanted to do the work. He really truly was hungry for the truth, and he looked for it beyond today's truth. He went to ancient truth and then worked his way forward. When I thought, you know, we're not, wait, we're not going to be able to fix this. No. I'm like, oh, geez, it's not our job. Our job is to teach. Their job is going to be the ones that set the country right and design it the way. I mean, this is very Jeffersonian. Set it the way they choose. It is now their future.

I prefer they don't, you know, decide to liquidate all of us over 65 at some point, you know. Well, can't afford health care. Grandpa, you're out. But they will, they will find the right path. Have faith in the future because you have faith. faith in God and God sent these people that that age, they were born for a reason. And I believe they were born to save the world from authoritarianism. So have great hope. And thank you, TPSA. Thank you, Charlie, for everything that you built. American financing, any of these things

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It's Americanfinancing.net. Now back to the podcast. You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck program. Paul List is with us. He is the co-author of a book called Mount Doom. I am a big fan of Tolkien's books. I mean, we watch them, the directors cut. Every year, we'll sit down and we'll watch it for a, you know,

marathon day or two. We just love it. And I love looking, I know when it was written, and it was written at a time of World War II. And, you know, the buildup and all of the evil that the world was seeing, much like it is today. And I look at that,

and I look for the hidden meanings in it, and it's brilliantly written. Most people, I think, if you watch the movies, you may miss all of this stuff. So Paul is here, and I want to bring you back to the characters that we see and we know, and what they mean,

what the mythology is actually trying to tell us. Well, I'll start with the most important character, characters of the bunch and the enigmatic character and what they left out of the movie were the characters Tom Bombadil and Goldberry. And that's been the big mystery. Well, who the heck is Tom Bombadillo and nobody's ever figured it out? Well, you can't figure it out unless you have a scholastic point of view. And Tom and Goldberry are the trans migrated fallen spirits of the trees of light. Okay, they are the gold, the spirit of the silver tree, which is Tulparyon. That's Tom. And the golden tree, then that's

Goldberry. And Goldberry actually gets her name from the last golden fruit with which, when they died, they were killed by Shilab's mother, Angoliant. They produced one last silver flower and one last silver fruit, which became the moon and the sun. But their spirits, you have to figure this out. Their spirits were trans-ligrated, and Al-Lay, the faculty of growth in the soul, one of the Valar, made new bodies for them, just as he had made the dwarves. And with the Lubitah, they had free will. So they were given these spirits, and they became Tom Bombadillo and Goldberry, and what they are is the rational will, or the free will, which is Tom Bombadol, that's why he can do anything he wants. He's the will and the rational intellect, which is Goldberry. And it's all scholasticism.

So who is, who, who are the elves? The elves are faith and all their various, because we have faith both in the material and the immaterial. So the three high kings, okay, are how we love and serve the Lord. This is basic trinantine catechism. Tolkien's giving catechism lessons. They are love, serve, and know. So we have the kings of knowledge, service, and love. And the elves, the Naldor, of the knowledge, and Fianor, who made the somerils, he's the knowledge to make.

Or the knowledge to make. And he made the somerals. And his sons, the seven sons, are the quadrivium and the quadrivium of classical education, how we actually learn and the virtues of the mind. So the whole myth, and men, we'll go to men, men are reason and all of the categories of reason from high reason, which is Aragon, to practical reason, which are the Roherom, and all the way down to the wild men, which is vital, or vitality. It's just instinct. And the whole mythology is about the reunification of faith and reason. It's a response, it's Tolkien's late response to Pope Leo the 13th great encyclical

attorney patroness, which he was calling the West back, trying to get them to turn their back on the tocophanie of these philosophies that were turning the Western world, Christianism, suicidal. And we see that, it's true, and trying to get us to come back to Thomas Aquinas and the Scholastics. Which is faith and reason. together. Faith, exactly, and that is the reunification of the last of the high reason.

That's why he's the king, he's the king, because he's the king of the rational soul. And Elrond, his daughter, Arwen, is the last daughter of the elves of faith, and it's the reunion of the heirs of Baron and Lutheran, which are in the Somerilion. And Luthian, of course, is the heart of the whole story and Baron, and that is when faith and reason came and joined to their highest degree. And so we're, I'm back, and then when they come to them. Who is Gandalf, or what does he represent? You know, his philosophical wisdom.

Wizards are, according to Aristotle's Necumachian ethics, they are the means by which we acquire knowledge. This is right out of Necumachian ethics. So we've got, Gandalf is philosophical wisdom. Saraman, who's taken over academia, is practical wisdom. no longer concerned with the higher realm of philosophy, metaphysics, first principles. And then we have Radigast, who's rational intuition. The two blue wizards that don't come into the, they keep going east, they go outside of the psychology, they're art and science, and they're the exterior means by which we acquire knowledge.

But Tolkien takes them into account, so he covers all five of them. So Gandalf is, Gandalf is, Gandalf the gray, gray in the mind, and gray is, he's, kind of indecisive. He's pagan, pre-Christian, pre-Revelation philosophy. Aristotle, for instance, falls in the minds of Moria, which are the halls of academia, it's under Saramon's control. He falls

with the spirit of pride of academia, that is the Belrog. Belrog is the spirits of pride. He falls down into the body, and he's subjected to Darwinism. Duren is Darwin. Subjected to Duren, trying to prove that, hey, you're just an animal. And then

he defeats the Belrog, comes back on the wings of the angels, not like in the movie, comes back on the wings of the Eagles, and the Eagles serve manway, which is the power of sight, and they are the good things that we read. And he's saved by the good reading. He comes back a full to mystic theologian, Candalfa White, and he's no longer indecisive. He knows exactly what he has to do, so he takes control of the great spirit of decisiveness, which is shadow facts. When they pick up the eye of Sauron, right, the stone, the sier stone, that wasn't that that was a palanter that was a palanter that was one of the seeing stones but that wasn't the eye

the eye of saron he had corrupted because his nasgul had gained that they had taken that earlier in the third age and that was the other one one of them was in the was in the tower of baradur which by the way is the microchip the tower of baradour is a microchip and that's the tower where gendolph at one point is trapped on right At the top? Well, no, no, no. That's actually the black and ivory tower. That's Ivan Garden. That's where Saraman is.

Okay. Saramon, yeah. So the Q towers are the tower of corrupted academia and the tower of Baradour, which is the chip in the brain. And the mortar is it, Glenn, this is so fascinating. It's all laid out, according to the old Victorian pseudoscience called phrenology. That's the study of the head, right? Right, right. All these areas were representative of this and that. Well, Mordor is in the cerebellum, the back here, the reptile brain, as it's called, and that's the area of all crime and hate and fear and all that. And that's where Mordor is, and that's where the microchip is. So at this point in Arda's development, which is the history of all of Christendom, it's been, it's become, it's been microchipped and it's become transhuman. And what happens is the will and the intellect,

Tom and Goldberry decide they're going to break out and they're going to change their evil ways. And they're going to do away with Gollum, this insatiable lust for pornography and all these things that they can get through the one ring, through the computer, through digital technology. And they decide to call out of the shire the cardinal virtues and send them on a quest with philosophical wisdom and high reason. Okay. And fallen still salvageable. And they send them on a quest to destroy the ring. And that's the destroy the ring. and they have to destroy the language of the machine,

because at the basis of every digital technology, whether it's the surveillance state, digital money, virtual reality, self-driving cars, all these things at the heart of that, none of this functions without the one ring, ones and zeros. This is, I mean, if your theory is correct, this puts him, I mean, decades ahead, decades ahead. Absolutely.

But like I said, his training with Alan Turing, he under, Tolkien was a huge skeptic of machinery because he always knew that it was about dominance. Like he wrote in a letter to his son, Christopher in World War II. He said the only winner in any war is the machine. And we create, you know, war advances the machine not to our benefit all the time. I mean, every day, every war advances the, I'm sorry, advances the machine. So Tolkien was a great scholar. he was very much in touch.

He was a traditional Catholic, as I am, a traditional Catholic, not just modernism crap that we're seeing coming out of the Vatican now that the modernist stuff. Okay. He was a traditional Catholic, and he saw this coming very much. So with, and this is fascinating, with the reunion of faith and reason now, comes the rebirth of the white tree, and the white tree of Gondor is neglected. It cannot be tended.

and Glenn, it is the traditional Latin Mass. That's what it is. So when faith and reason comes back together, Christendom is healed, we return to the traditional Latin mass. The mass that the FBI is all over and calling us terrorists and whatnot. And it's the original Christian faith. It's the extension of it's the perpetuation of Christ's sacrifice on the cross, where he gives us his real body and blood, not a symbol, the real thing.

And this is what Tolkien is telling. So he is, what is the way out that he is? I mean, in today's language, what is Tolkien saying? Because he's predicting transhumanism, the merging of man and machine, AI. We are on the doorstep of that. What in real terms is his way out? Well, we have to cultivate virtue. And we have to do a way with pornography.

And pornography is represented in, in Tolkien's mythology, that is Sheelab. The spider. The spider. That's Sheelab's layer is pornography. Dolom leads them there because that's his favorite place to dwell with the ring is in pornography. He can slake his lust like crazy there.

Just like that's what pornography is so huge in the digital realm. It's so easy. And he's telling us, but this is fascinating. We have to cultivate the cardinal virtues, temperance, fortitude, prudence, and justice. and we have, Christianity has to be reunited. And we have to do a way we cannot subject ourselves to modern music, which is brain deadening, mind numbing, to modern entertainment, which is just as brain dead and mind numbing.

We have to read, we have to be competent, we have to learn and try to understand. Human beings are the combination of the joining of the animal realm and the angelic realm. and we've been forced largely by Bacon and Descartes and then Darwin forced into the strictly ammo realm, which is just a disaster for the human intellect. And we really have to reestablish our ability to ascend, transcend the material realm. And when we can do that, we can do that through prayer and through reading. And we transcend this realm and we get out of the realm of the machine because the machine owns this realm.

And if we are stuck in this realm, we become food for the machine. And the machine is devouring millions, I'd say billions of souls at this point. And we have to pull away. We have to turn around. We have to destroy the machine and return to our humanity. And do not enter the virtual realm. And do not get your children virtual glasses or goggles. That's a direct competitor to God's natural creation.

And where we put our attention is where we put our souls and our heart. Paul, so we have to go ahead, finish, finish up. Our humanity and ability for our health and responsibility for our own education. Paul, I think you are, I think you're fascinating. And the book is called Mount Doom. I highly recommend, you know, Tolkien was way ahead of his time. And I've always known there's deep, deep meaning, but I haven't been able to figure it out. And I think you have cracked the code.

You can find this in the book, Mount. Doom by Paul List. Thank you so much, Paul. I appreciate it. Thank you for having me, Glenn. It was a great privilege and an honor. Great. Thank you. Readmount Doom.com.

Readmount doom.com. You're streaming the best of Glenn Beck. To hear more of this interview and others, download the full show podcasts wherever you get podcasts. I want to read something from Francis Stout. She posted. She's 16 years old. She lives in Washington State.

This evening as a young female athlete in the United States of America, I was actively silenced for standing up for my own safety and belief. During the Tumwater High School girls basketball game on February 6, 2025, a biological male from Shelton High School opposing team was brutalizing my teammates, using his biological advantage, clearly and intentionally overpowering his competition. I made the decision to sit out one of my very last basketball games of the season because I refused now and forever to compete against any biological male in any sport that I play. I was incredibly distraught at the fact that nobody would step in on our behalf, including the staff, coaches, referees, and parents from both sides. This is due to the sheer fact that in our society we have been pushed to be silent and bow down to the demands to accept what we know to be untrue.

When I became visibly upset and angry, I was met with allegations of discrimination as well as threats made by other players in a grown man who is tasked with serving my school district. The principal and athletic director who stood in front of parents and the students claiming to care about our students' bodies, their beliefs, and feelings, but they certainly did not care about mine tonight. This is far from over. It is fueled a passion in me to speak out and go against the wrongdoing that is still happening to female athletes in this. great country. Isn't it ironic that just yesterday, National Girls and Women's Sports Day, was the day that President Trump signed the no men in women's sports executive order? And here I am the very next day having to deal with such an injustice that has caused so much emotional distress in my life. I will never not stand up for myself or my ability to speak out

and protect my safety as a female athlete. 16 years old from Tumwater, Washington. It's Francis Stout. Hello, Francis. So much for having me on the show. It is not lost on me the significance of speaking with you today. Oh my gosh. Thank you.

So, Francis, you were not notified. Nobody was notified. You just go to this game and you see somebody who you describe is obviously a male. Yes. Why do you say that? I mean, and tell me the intimidation tactics or the brutalization tactics, if you will, that you felt he was doing. Well, I feel it is obvious from any stand where he would have stood out on the court. He was warming up and stretching, looking around, dancing with the girls on his team.

It was obvious. There's clear biological differences between girls. and boys, and you could just see by everything. And lots of, there's a lot of just roughness on the court and pushing girls down. And nothing that a normal girl on my team or the other team would have really been able to do. Very harsh and just, it was a clear difference. So you go and say, I'm going to sit this game out or I can't play because I don't feel safe on the court, correct? Yes, that's correct.

And what was the response at the time? At the time, people kind of looked and were, oh, whatever, just asked me, oh, are you sure you don't want to play? It's not that big of a deal. I got told by a lot of people, it isn't that big of a deal. It doesn't matter. there's not nothing's going to happen and you're just looking for attention every sort of thing that you could hear from people but it was only until I got upset after seeing him hurt girls on my team and also take away from my ability to play because I feared for my own safety that

people really started having issues and what when you got upset what happened So I went and tried to talk to the principal of Tumwater, Zach Suterman, and I told him this is wrong. Why are you not protecting me and my right to play in my own sport? And why are you not putting a stop to this? It's clearly wrong. It is a violation of my own privacy and safety that you've told every single person at that school that you care about. but he did absolutely nothing to help me.

He told me that it was discrimination against the boy and the man, actually, 18 years old. He said? He said, he said, I'm not going to misgender, quote unquote, this individual. Okay. He has also said, and maybe it's not the principal, maybe it's the superintendent, as a district, we remain committed to fostering an inclusive environment where all students feel safe, supported, and valued. Do you feel safe, supported, or valued? That is a very easy answer. Absolutely not. There is, in no way am I feeling like I'm supported. I have had, when I was 15 years old, the 18-year-old man was in my own locker room. That is quite the opposite of safe and supported that I should be able to.

to feel. There's a man or boy in the girls' locker room right now at Tomwater High School that they're still doing nothing about telling girls that they can go somewhere else to change if they feel uncomfortable. They only care about a certain protected class and it clearly is not the girls who just want their own privacy and safety. So now a lawsuit has been lodged against you. The foundation against intolerance and racism filed a civil rights complaint. to the Department of Education? Yes, on our behalf. On your behalf?

On your behalf? Yes. Okay, thank God. I read that and I'm like, what are they, how is that possible? On your behalf. However, yeah, I was investigated, however, by the WIAA in Tomwater School District for harassment and bullying for quote unquote misgendering the man, saying that he was a man was apparently bullying and harassment, and that is what happened.

But myself and my family was the one who filed the complaint. Well, I'm glad because I was having a hard time understanding how our DOJ was not standing up for your civil rights on this, especially since, you know, the president has made it very clear. Yes. Can you give me any update? on where this stands and where this is headed? So we are so waiting to hear back. We filed it a little bit ago and still waiting for news.

We have hope that it'll be in our favor. And I am very much looking forward to seeing where it can take us. And, yeah, I am hoping that it'll be all good. Frances, I have to tell you, you give me an awful. lot of hope. I think we treat our children as little kids. You know, you had 16 years old. Back in the old days, back in the old days, I mean, older than me, you know, our founders were in their 20s and 30s, you know, Thomas Jefferson, I think, was 30. They were expected to do more. And we just say, oh, your childhood, your childhood. Yeah, there is something about keeping

childhood sacred and keeping childhood as safe as possible. But you are a great example of what 16-year-olds should be like. You should know what your rights are, what your responsibilities are, why you believe certain things that you do if you're passionate about them. Obviously, you're passionate about this, and make the case. You give me an awful lot of hope, Francis. I very much appreciate that. Well, I, can not tell you how much I, as I mentioned in my speech last Saturday. This is from the turning point of America and I was an incredible fan of Charlie Kirk. I think he was an amazing man. And I think he's given me a voice to speak out and given me courage. And I think that it's important

And although we are young to speak up for what we believe in, it's important. I've had those values instilled by my family as well and my parents. And I think it's very important. He did not die in vain. I think that we need to make our country proud. And we are going to be the future of America and we need to start acting like it. And speaking up for what we believe in and what is right. and no good and evil.

Do you have any friends in Washington State? Because I grew up in Washington State. I know what it's like. Your family, you would just must, is it just you guys? Are you just alone in Washington State? Because you're amazing. But it must not be very popular to be you and your family in Washington State. Well, no.

You see all around. There's people who disagree. but we have a close group. It really shows you who your close friends are and who is there for you, but it is definitely not the majority in Washington State of what me and my family believe in, but this isn't over, and I think that we can make a change. And I think people need to have their eyes opened and realize that there's clearly something wrong. and I think people can be very oblivious to the fact of that,

but it is pretty small majority, especially in Washington State, as you can probably. I know it quite well. Do you have any friends that disagree with you that are still standing with you as a friend? I don't really have many friends who have told me they disagree. I've been called a lot of names. I've lost a lot of friends over it.

But I don't have many friends who disagree. I think it's really sad because they've been told by so many people that they are right. And people who disagree with them are automatically horrible people. And especially Chris Reichdahl telling people that, oh, this isn't happening. So kids are believing him and parents are believing him. And so they think that I'm just wrong in looking for attention. and I've been called just the other day. I got called a transphobe in the hallways by this kid that I used to be friends with

and say hi to every day. And I walked by and got yelled at. And it's sad. It really is. Yeah, you sound smart enough to know there are easier ways to get attention, right? Exactly. Yes. Thank you so much for everything you're doing.

Please keep me informed. keep us up to date. We want to follow the story. And if there's any way we can help, just know you're not alone. And, you know, it'll be people like you that will be remembered someday. It's the people who did the things they didn't necessarily want to do that didn't make them possible. In fact, made them a target. But they had the faith in something bigger than themselves. They knew they had a responsibility. And they stood. Those are the kinds of people. that actually make it into the history books, not the one that walked through the crowd, as you were walking through, who said, you're a transphobe. That person is never going to be remembered in history.

You will be. So thank you. Keep it up. I truly appreciate that, and it means more than you know. From the bottom of my heart, I appreciate this opportunity in speaking with you, and I will not forget what you said. That means a lot.

Thanks a lot, Francis. God bless you. Uh, see, there is good news. There is good news. There are things that are happening in a country, in the country that is really good. Biennue at board of Vyarai. Embarked and profite. Embarked and relax.

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