The Glenn Beck Program - Best of the Program | Guests: Jack Carr & Michael Malice | 7/29/22

Episode Date: July 29, 2022

Glenn dives further into his critique of CNN's claim that an "imposter Christianity" consisting of "white Christian nationalists" is plaguing America. Author Michael Malice shares his thoughts on progressives pushing the woke term "Filipinx" and the latest Big Tech attacks on free speech. Author and executive producer of "The Terminal List" Jack Carr reveals how the Amazon Prime adaption came about and the inspiration behind the Deep State plotline. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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In hour number one, I just take apart the CNN incredible opinion, or they called it news, that America, Because churches have just become white nationalist churches. It's part two of that.

I take it down in epic form based all on the facts. And you can get all those facts at glenbeck.com. There's also a story that I think you can get on this with all the footnotes, all of the footnotes. You can nine pages of footnotes. You can get that at blazed.com or you can get it at glenbeck.com and sign up for our free newsletter. Also, we have Bill O'Reilly on today. We have Jack Carr who talks about some amazing things and shoots straight Jack Carr, if you don't know. He is the thriller author, and he wrote The Terminalist, the series that is on now on Amazon.com.

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The article said there are three key beliefs associated with the white Christian nationalists, and belief number one was belief that the United States was founded as a Christian nation. It took us an hour to debunk that yesterday, and they're still looking into it. They're like, there's so much information here. I don't know what to do with it. But let's move on. The Constitution, they say, in the article, says nothing about God, the Bible or the Ten Commandments. Amen. And saying the U.S. was founded as a Christian nation ignores the fact that much of its initial wealth was derived from slave labor and land stolen from the Native Americans. All right, so let's just get these things down here. It was Christian America that brought

oppression. Got it. America's wealth was derived by slave labor. Okay. And America's land was stolen from the Native Americans. Well, if I may, in no way. In no way does being a Christian nation imply that proponents of such of you reject or ignore the sins of America's past. We were sinners. We are currently even bigger sinners. What we actually want is historical Christian America to be more acutely aware of the failures. And throughout our history, it has been Christian ministers, pastors and leaders, with a correct understanding of the scriptures

at the forefront of fighting against such failures and shortcomings. So let's take them one by one. First, Christian America brought oppression. Well, not really. Do you know about the witch trials over in Europe? Yeah, lasted decades and decades and decades. Here, it was stopped, and it only lasted about 18 months. Why is that?

A Christian minister. Yes, pointed out, hey, you're reading the Bible incorrectly. And then increased Mather. He was instrumental in stopping the Salem witch trials. He's like, I don't think we should use any of this magic stuff. Maybe we should go back and look at, you know, in the, there has to be a witness, a three or more, and you have to have actual facts and evidence.

you know like the Bible says ministers and religious leaders also led the charge against slavery they were using in the South they were they were using the Bible to say we can have slaves yes an incorrect understanding of the gospel of Jesus Christ and there are many examples so let's go to the second claim America's wealth was derived from slave labor

yes that's right you know who used to say that a lot our great fine fine president old jefferson davis yeah old jeff used to say that all the time america's wealth it's derived from slave labor we can't have an america without slavery unfortunately that's not true Jeff Davis Go-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-P I think you might have been drinking. The contention that slavery constituted a major source of wealth during the founding of America is entirely erroneous

and a little more than a gross regurgitation of old pro-slavery Confederate propaganda. The importation of slaves in North America did not become substantial until more than a century after its initial founding. No more than 5,000 slaves were disembarked in any year until 1727. When it began to substantially increase, it was well after the Christian founding. By the way, does anybody know that if New England would have been considered a country,

and not England, New England would have been considered the first country in the world, 50 years ahead of everybody else of abolishing slavery. Yeah, New England did that. Abolished slavery 50 years before anyone else. Did anybody know that our pilgrims actually, because of a storm, had a slave ship wash up upon their shores? But the Bible calls that to man stealing. And when they boarded the ship and realized that it was a slave ship,

they arrested the captain and the crew. Then they took a collection. I'm passing around the collection plate. Give until it hurts, pilgrims. And they did. And you know what they use that money for? Ha! It's crazy.

They used that money to gain the passage on that ship with a new crew back to Africa. Huh, that's weird. significantly slavery impoverished the areas which practiced it in comparison to those parts of the country which did not let me give you Alex de Tocqueville he noted that the colonies in which there was no slaves became more populous and more prosperous than those in which slavery flourished de Tocqueville's observations are confirmed by the facts of economic history but why care about that. We're so busy redefining history and economics. I don't think we're actually in a recession. The story of the South is one of stagnation and increasingly falling behind the rest of the nation.

Aside from the few owners of large plantations, the people of the South were generally more impoverished than the people in the North. At the time of the Revolutionary War, the South had been the wealthier region by far, but their reliance upon slavery sapped the strength out of the region. As economic historians from Harvard and UC Davis explained when they were sane, from 1774 and 1860, the per annum growth rates for New England, 1.26%, the Middle Atlantic, 1.08% and the South's, 0.31%. Hmm. By 1860, the real product per capita in the South was 40 points behind New England. A Harvard economic study identified that even today, there exists a significant negative relationship between past slave use and current economic performance.

In fact, all forms of slavery were detrimental to economic development. But CNN, why take it from Harvard? You know, as early as 1793, major figures such as Norr Webster pointed out, in no particular are the deplorable effects of slavery more visible than in checking the destroying of national industry and productivity. Wherever we turn our eyes to view the comparative effects of freedom and slavery on agriculture, arts, commerce, science, the mind is deeply affected at the astonishing contrast. To labor solely for the benefit of other man is repugnant to every principle of the human heart. Third, and I love this one, America's land was stolen from the Native Americans.

Ministers and religious communities were at the forefront in treating native tribes with respect and honoring land deals. Yes, CNN, it's true. true. The religious pilgrims strictly only occupied land lawfully purchased. This land was bought at a price agreed upon by the native tribes in founding Plymouth in 1620. At the start of King Phillips War in 1675, Plymouth Governor Joshua Winslow explained, I think I can clearly say that before these present troubles broke out, the English did not possess one foot of land, in this colony that was not fairly obtained by honest purchase of the Indian proprietors. Reverend Roger Williams lawfully purchased the land at a price agreed upon by the Native tribes

in order to found Rhode Island in 1636. Reverend John Davenport lawfully purchased the land at a price agreed upon by the Native tribes in order to found New Haven in 1637. in founding Pennsylvania, and this is an incredible stat, I had never heard before, William Penn, as in Pennsylvania, purchased the land from the Indians. But there was a problem. When they purchased the land from one tribe, the other tribe said, well, but they stole it from us. We're the actual owners. And so he purchased it again from a second tribe. And then a third tribe came in and said, yeah, but they stole it. it from us. Parts of Pennsylvania, William Penn, bought three separate times just to make sure he had secured a clear title from each tribe that claimed it had been stolen from them by

another Indian tribe. Remember the 1888 wall map of Jamestown versus the Pilgrims? I showed this to you on a couple of TV shows, and I've talked about it on radio. Throughout the North and most of early America, the land was purchased by the colonists. In the South, it was different. But because the land was bought, the longest lasting treaty in American history between whites and Indians was the treaty between the pilgrims and the Indians. And who broke that treaty? Yes.

Yes. The Indians. If you look at that map I showed you, it shows James Town. is founded on slavery, it becomes an absolute nightmare, and everything goes sour from there. This is the same argument that we had before the Civil War. Were we a country founded in slavery with Jamestown, or are we a Christian nation that come from the pilgrims that tried to do the things right? Well, guess which one I think we are, and guess which one I think we should be? white Christian nationalist, they say CNN belief number two, a belief in a war here, Christ.

You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck program. Let me go to Michael Malice, who I think Abraham Lincoln saw coming a long, long time ago, with Malice toward none. And that makes me a little nervous that he's on the program, but I like him anyway. He is the host of Your Welcome, a great podcast, the author of The Anarchist Handbook, Michael Malice. Welcome, Michael. How are you? Well, maybe it's seeing things coming, if you know what I'm saying. Oh, my gosh. Oh, my.

Too soon? Too soon. So, Michael, I just wanted to get your quick comments on, just want to get your quick comments on what happened recently. the Filipinos are quite upset because some woke progressives have decided to change Filipino

it's much better to call them Philippineks and apparently they don't they don't like that that much well are we sure you're pronouncing it correctly I mean I don't speak Tagalog so I'm not sure you know how because I was

corrected it's not Latinx I think it's Latinx but this It is a white people. This is a white people thing. This is white people going to college. And then people who are, you know, Asian Pacific ancestry going to college and acting like white people. This is a nonsensical. It's, and it's also there was this attempt to create this AAPL, Asian American Pacific, I don't know what the L stands for, coalition, where you had people like Tammy Duckworth, who I believe is of Asian descent.

and basically have this lie that Chinese and Japanese and people from India and people from the Philippines and Laos, they're all interchangeable, they should all vote and, you know, act the same. Right. Even though for millennia, they've been at war. And to this day, many of these countries despite each other, you know, I used to live in Brooklyn until I escaped last August. And I was at a dinner party a few years ago, and it turned out everyone was from a different country,

their families. So me being me, we went around the table and said, who did our ancestors hate? And someone said, but we didn't hate anyone. And I said, well, who were your neighbors? Come on. No, no. I said, who were your neighbors? And she goes, oh, we didn't hate them.

We thought they were dumb. So, but this is just a complete, but this is a complete American university fantasy that people based on geography are somehow can be, even look at America itself. You had the north and the south. They were neighbors. They tried to kill each other. So it's really, we have to laugh, but it's a very cynical and disingenuous attempt to have this kind of intersectionality, which is just completely falling apart. And quite frankly, it is the most racist thing as well.

I mean, when you have a, because it is, it's a group of white people who think they know better and they can be the defender. and say, you know, Filipino is racist. The Filipinos are like, what? You're going to be called Filipics from here on out. I mean, there's another more racist. But this is where American imperialism kind of started with McKinley and the Philippines. And Tass, I think, was governor of the Philippines. And progressivism is domesticate imperialism.

They ran out of other countries to invade because that became taboo. And now you have to have New York City, L.A. and Washington basically invade. and govern who they regard in America as their inferiors. And it's usually rural whites. And it's also people who aren't following the progressive agenda. And the thing is, it's become so transparent that it just, you know, necessitates eye rolls. And they're just grasping it strong, especially, as you've seen, with the election of

Congresswoman, Flores, who was the first Mexican-born congresswoman. You know, the Hispanics are jumping off this train. They're like, what are you talking about? I know, I know. You don't mean Hispanics. You mean Latinks. By the way, by the way, I wanted to bring something up. These are the headlines from today. Lawsuit alleges CDC colluding with big tech to censor speech. Internal documents, next story, internal documents reveal CDC worked with big tech to censor COVID-19 speech. Next one. Twitter accounts suspended for COVID-19 misinformation have increased over-sexuals.

70%. They're not done yet. Twitter is now blocking links to some substack pages because of COVID, the CCP, and Hunter Biden. And Wikipedia suspends edits to its recession page after woke users change the definition to Biden's. That's the only one that is right. But I think there's a class action suit, isn't there? I mean, anyone who has been banned or been silenced on the social media pages. That is government now. We know we have the evidence through documents. That is collusion, a public-private partnership. So that is the First Amendment. Companies can do it. But when working with the federal government, they cannot. I disagree, and we can go back to kind of Wilson again, because I think in there, I mean, I think it's unacceptable and outrageous. Don't get me

wrong. But in terms of a lawsuit, I'm sure in their terms of service, they all say, we can boot you off at any time for any reason whatsoever. So to try to kind of demonstrate that you don't have the right to do this, I think it's going to be very hard to prove. I think Twitter can very easily claim, well, this was in consultation with the government, but we're the ones who made the decision. And I think the heavy-handedness, you know, they would like us to memory hold this, but the heavy-handedness right before the election, Glenn, as you remember, when they were reporting on Hunter's laptop and 50 intelligence agencies, no accountability for lying, because they said that they were, oh, all the symbols, classic symbols of Russian disinformation,

which they still have never said what those were. And there clearly weren't none because this was just a crackhead laptop. I think the idea that the law is going to hold these agents as accountable, the law works in their favor. That's how our system has worked in Wilson. I know. Well, but I don't, my lawsuit really is not against these corporations as much as it is against the government. Because the government is supposed to never get involved in that. And they have just found through public-private partnerships a way around the Constitution. They just get into bed with these corporations, and then they highly suggest, you know, we can help you or not help you. and they can highly suggest and really pressure these companies to do this,

or these companies might even be inclined to do it themselves, but the government has no place into being the arbiter of truth and speech. No place. But Glenn, the First Amendment also guarantees the right of citizens to peaceably assemble. And if you try to do a lawsuit that's saying, I wanted to go to my mother's funeral or visit her in the hospital, and I was blocked because of these quarantines, you'd be laughed out to your face. So, yeah, it's supposed to work in a certain way.

But in practice, I don't think these judges, even fairly conservative judges, are going to give this the time of day whatsoever. One other thing, let me hit here before we have to go. Germany is cutting off hot water and electricity. This is something Donald Trump said just recently. Ronald Reagan said it years ago, don't do it, don't get in bed with Russia, they'll hold you hostage, and here they are. What do you think this means for stability in the future of our world?

It's not just getting rid of Russia. Germany has been in the very last election gone from having a two-major party system to having a three-major party system. The Greens have achieved parity with the Social Democrats, which have historically since World War II, been the center-left part, in Germany. And now that the greens are in power, this is the kind of thing that happens. When you want to have, you know, not be dependent on things like gas and whatever, you're going to have problems producing electricity. You're going to have problems producing energy. And they're

cutting the water supply. They're having gas reductions. Public buildings won't have heatings from April to September. They're banning, this is in the city of Hanover. They're banning air conditioners, heaters, and radiators for people in their home. And, you know, this is what the German people voted for. So even if when things are resolved with Putin, and hopefully that's as quickly as possible, this is going to continue to be a problem. And that Green Deal, which is not going away, which is just unpause, people should be very considerable what that's going to look like in practice here.

You know, I was just watching this guy who is, he's got the hydrogen house. He used to work for NASA, and he makes hydrogen from solar power. And I've been a big believer in hydrogen for a long time. It doesn't cause a water shortage. You have to make hydrogen from water. You actually get more water from hydrogen than you put into it, believe it or not. And it's 100% clean energy, and you can make it with solar energy. It is the answer.

And I thought, you know, people could solve this. problem if we were allowed to really truly invent and do the things that we believe in. There'd be a lot of mistakes, but, you know, I was thinking, I, you know what, maybe I should call this guy and see if I can build a hydrogen, you know, plant myself, because he's made it for his house, and you can power everything. And I thought, well, no, because, you know, the government is eventually going to say that I'm committing some crime because of it, because they'll deem hydrogen is whatever the problem is. And that's a real problem. Government is the problem.

Well, you're talking to an anarchist, so I could not agree with you. I know, I know. Again, if carbon dioxide, they're trying to regulate that as a pollutant, which is something that every plant produces, at a certain point, their use of language is simply a mechanism to have power and not, they don't use language to inform, they use it to manipulate. So I agree with it completely, like there's no way that if you're trying to create an energy plant of any kind, you're not going to be subject to nightmarish regulations and possibly felonies.

Yeah, exactly. It's exactly right. And it's, I mean, it's the same story over and over and over again. And something's got to change. And I have a feeling with great pain will come great. change and hopefully it will be positive change if we all keep our heads. Michael, thank you so much for being on with us. It's Michael Malice. He's the author of The Anarchist Handbook and the host of your welcome. Did you have something else you wanted to say, Michael? Are you just disrupting because

you're an anarchist? No, I just said thank you. So I was going to say thank you. So have a great weekend, everyone. All right, have a good time. Thanks, Michael. The best of the Glenn Beck program. It is a thrill. I've been looking forward to this for weeks now. that car welcome to the program how are you sir oh thank you so much i sincerely appreciate you have me on it's been uh been how you bet times since we last spoke it is crazy what's going on isn't it it is both in the world and then uh in uh in uh i guess on my journey here with the show and the books and everything else it's gotten uh it's gotten fairly yeah i feel uh incredibly fortunate it. Yeah, well, you are. And you're, it's, I mean, it's your hard work and your storylines.

When you, when you got a call or did you pitch Amazon Prime and Chris Pratt signed on, how'd you feel? Yeah, so it came about in a strange way that I am told is not the typical Hollywood story in that I wrote it first, got it to Simon & Schuster. They loved it. We got a two-book deal in place. And before the book, even comes out, I get a call from a seal buddy who I hadn't spoken to in five years. And he calls me and he says, hey, do you remember me? And I said, yes, I remember you. And he said, do you remember what you did for me in the SEAL teams? And I said, nope. And he said, you were the only person that as I was getting out of the military, sat me down, talked me through transitioning into the private sector. You introduced me to people outside the military and then you followed up with me to see how I was doing.

Nobody else did that. I always wanted to thank you. And I said, no problem. How's it going? And he said, well, it's going great, but I heard you have a book coming out. And of course, I said, yep, it's coming out in a few months. I can send you an early galley copy if you'd like. And he said, I'd like that, but I'd like to give it to a friend of mine. And I asked him who that was. And he said, Chris Pratt. And I thought, well, that's convenient because as I was writing this thing,

I thought of Chris Pratt playing the main role. And I thought of that. Really? Before his rise to A-list prominence, before Guardians of the Galaxy, before Avengers, before Jurassic World. Because I saw him as lovable Andy Dwyer. on Parks and Rec. And then I saw this transformation into a seal operator for zero dark 30.

So I saw that transformation. And I knew that he hadn't done anything like this yet before. And I thought this is an actor that needs to take a risk and do something like this. And I think I had read somewhere that maybe he leans to the more patriotic side of things, which is a little different for me in Hollywood. So I thought this was the right guy to bring this story to life. And so my friend Jared Shaw, who also is now a producer on the show, technical advisor and plays boozer in the show.

So he gave it to Chris. Chris read it. He read it the last week in December of 2017 called the first week in January, 2018, wanting to option it. So off we went to the races. He's a great guy, isn't he? He's a great guy. He is. He is. He's a normal guy. Somebody you'd want to sit down and have a beer with, have a coffee with. And he brought this energy to the set that was so encouraging and so inspirational each and every day bringing his A game, which really filtered across all 350 people working on that set. And I had so many. people come up to me and say that they had been on hundreds of Hollywood sets and none of them had felt like this. And that's all due to Chris Pratt. That's great. That's great. And one who's the director up there at the top being so encouraging and positive and just creating this environment that made everybody want to bring their A game every single day. So it was a thrill to see it brought to life.

So let me ask you a question as a writer. James Reese, the Chris Pratt character, finds himself in the middle of this conspiracy. and a lot of us would call it the deep state. And it involves high members of the government, the DOD, and private corporations, pharmaceutical companies. What gave you that idea in, I think you wrote this in 2018. So it was before the deep state was really talked about openly. Where did that come from?

So it came out in 2018, but I started writing it. in December of 2014. So that's my end of paper for the first time. But I've always been drawn to conspiracies, thrillers my whole life. I've been a fan of the thriller genre, also of movies and television shows

that had that theme, that conspiratorial element, but also that underdog, who the system is just stacked against, who rises up and crushes his enemies. And I wanted a character, a modern-day character who would go into battle thinking he was already dead.

So he was free from societal, norms and laws and he could just uncover this conspiracy and essentially become the insurgent that he'd been fighting for the previous, if it came up now, 20 plus years, and bring those home to the front doorsteps of people who have been sending young men, women, to their deaths for 20 plus years. So, but I really got, I went back and I looked at the church hearings. I really looked at the end of World War II and the shift that occurred at the end of World War II and people should go back and listen to Dwight Eisenhower's speech, not just the one line. everyone always talks about, but the entire speech.

And then look at what was happening in the defense establishment and the intelligence establishment. And then what happened in the 50s and the 60s in the 70s? And then what was out in the church hearings in the mid-70s? Exactly. Exactly. Because what happened in the church hearings, yes, a lot of abuses by the federal government were exposed.

But what do people like that do then? Well, they adapt. And so that adaptation has been occurring ever since the church hearings. And so I wanted to really look into that and then, create a character they could go and take those people off the battlefield. So I have read many very, very wise people from Washington who watch Washington. And there is a problem with our intelligence community. They're now starting to say it's almost a fourth branch of government.

And it silos everything and tells the leaders what they want them to know and silo different branches of the government, et cetera, et cetera. And they're running things. This is the conjecture that they're actually running things. Is it possible to reign these intelligence agencies and the DOJ and, you know, State Department? Is it possible to reel them back in?

That is the real question. And, you know, they are gigantic bureaucracies with unelected officials that are in place. that are in place that can just wait out any politicians that get elected that do attempt to make changes. So they are such large bureaucracies, I am not sure. And that's the real question. That's what I explore really in these novels as well. But what's so sad, especially to the citizenry, is that these institutions have been so politicized to the detriment of us as the voters, as citizens. and now you have institutions that benefit from our division.

Mainly I'm talking about obviously a political class and tech and the tech oligarchy. And we're walking right into this ambush. It's like an L ambush of politicians and this tech monopoly and in we walk here as citizens. And I'm not sure how we get out of that. but they are the ones that directly benefit from this division, and that includes these institutions that fall under those political classes that have all been politicized, obviously. So how do we get out of that?

That's a question I like to explore in my novels. And I try to remain hopeful publicly, but at the end of the day, when I sit down with my wife on the couch and we talk about everything going on in the world, it's sometimes difficult with everything going on out there. I know, I know. So we're talking to Jack Carr, the author.

When we're looking at the world right now, I look at Ukraine and it just doesn't feel right. We're sending $60 billion over there. Nobody's accounting for it. It's a very dirty country as far as corruption.

Our leaders, really, I think, on both sides, but mainly on the Democrats, but Republicans are not entirely clean either, have been, especially the Biden's been laundering money, in my opinion, and I think the evidence is pretty strong, over in Ukraine. And it feels like, I don't know,

it just feels like the world wants this war to reset everything. How do you feel about Ukraine and where we're going? Yeah, so anytime I see anything these days in the news or anything pop up online. I ask myself, what action do they want me to take? How am I being manipulated? And that's maybe a cynical way to look at it, but with so many inputs out there today,

so many more than we're out there. And 30 years ago, obviously, 50 years ago, you have to ask yourself, how am I being manipulated? What action do these people want me to take? And look at it through that lens. In my second novel, True Believer, everything is speeding towards a Russian invasion of Ukraine. which is causing some issues with the second season of the terminal list if we get one,

because now we can't have that plot line because it actually happened. But when you see that happening, you have to ask the why, what lessons can we learn and apply going forward? Did we possibly make mistakes along the way here that helped make this happen, essentially? And then you can ask some other questions. Some of my sources out there are saying, hey, we might want to look into investments that Putin made through relatives and through friendly oligarchs in the days, weeks, months leading up to the invasion of Ukraine. And what those same people have done in an invested sense as far as shorting and futures and that sort of a thing.

So it's something that I'm looking into because it's quite possible that Putin got even wealthier after the invasion of Ukraine. Oh, I'm sure he did. I'm sure he did. And everything being so interconnected at those those high levels. levels. And we talk about those 50 intelligence officials that got on TV last fall and told us all that about Russian disinformation and applied to the family. And what happened to those 50? I think it was nothing. Yeah. It's accountability that we have totally lost. And that accountability, really that loss of accountability goes back to the end of World War II,

really 1947 with the establishment of our intelligence agencies and the military industrial complex, as we understand it today. But those were. back in the beginnings there. But up until that point, senior military leaders were held to account for their failures. And for whatever reason, after World War II, that stopped happening. George Marshall held military leaders accountable for what they did before World War II during World War II. And that's how we got the names that we can all recite today of those generals and admirals that led us to victory. And today we have the exact opposite. And what do we have now also? Well, a recruiting problem for the military. Why do we think that is? Well, because no one has trust in those senior

military leaders that are going to be sending young men and women off to war. And so we've lost that trust. That trust has been completely eroded. And that is because of the lack of accountability at those senior levels. Yeah, it's not that, I mean, you know, it's not even that I don't trust this commander in chief to know what the best thing to do is along with the leadership. But it's also that they, I mean, I don't trust that they're fighting the right fights that he will pick the right fights or fight the right fights in the right way and the righteous fights. I mean, I just don't know what we stand for right now and they're cleaning out the military and so many people are leaving because of the vaccines and then they're cleaning out the

military, you know, doing a political purge. It's just a very dangerous time. It really is. I mean, we're so divided. We've been divided before, which gives me hope because we did come back together after the war. so I do look at that case to give me a little bit of hope. But in many cases who are manipulated into that division by the very entities who directly benefit from it,

those politicians and tech companies we talked about. But it's so bad that if one side, and quote unquote side says that we need to secure our borders, the other side has to take the opposite position of that. They can't possibly find any common ground with the other, quote, unquote, side. We've lost all logic and common sense. and interestingly enough that George Marshall and Carl von Klauschwitz both thought that common sense was the most important attribute of any leader, and we have completely lost that across our politics and our discourse in this country, unfortunately.

We're talking to Jack Carr, the author of The Terminal List, which is a book. He's got a series out. Number six is coming out here soon, and is also Amazon Prime's adaptation of the first book, The Terminal List, played by Chris. Pratt book and series absolutely worth watching. Jack, thank you so much again for being on with us. I just really enjoy our talks. I really have been looking forward to this conversation for a couple of weeks. Let me just ask you about Nancy Pelosi in Taiwan. We normally will send people over to countries like that and then announce the trip after we leave so you don't put yourself in this situation. Again, I don't know if it's incompetence or what, but we've been, you know, announcing

it, haven't even announced a date. And now China said in today's headline, it is those who play with fire get burned. And they are really threatening us. I don't think they have the capability at this time to go into Taiwan. But what do we do here? And how dangerous is this trip? Well, China has always believed that Taiwan is just a province of China. So a lot of this is back to us not being able to put ourselves in our enemy's shoes or our opponent's shoes, our adversary's shoes, and look at the world through their perspective and then make wise decisions based on that. We keep looking at things through this Western lens. We did it in Afghanistan. We did it in Iraq.

We're doing it in Ukraine. You know, no matter how there's a few of that different other aspects. to that as well. But we've done it to China for the last 50 years. And we can't seem to get away from that. We were very reactionary. And it's one of those, one of those places that we thought was just going to take care of itself. And that's obviously not happened. I mean, since the 70s, really, that's been the policy. If you look all the way through the 80s, we just figure that the Taiwan, China situation will just over time, things will settle down. Everyone will kind of join to this new, this band of nations that realizes that capitalism and, uh, and, and, and, and

the way ahead and all that sort of things. We just let it shimmer. And now we have this situation that could turn into, to burning all of us. But it's really because we can't look at things through our enemy's eyes. And we think we look at things through a, of a four year type of, a uh, yes. Eight years for the real deep thinkers among us, maybe, um, where they're thinking, not just decades, but they're thinking a century. ahead and making moves that they'll put them in a position of dominance in the years ahead. But they're not thinking of those election cycles.

One, because they don't have to. But they're not short-sighted. We are the short-sided ones, and we prove that time and time again to the detriment, really, not just the United States, but of the world. And we, this is totally chain. I mean, at least our enemies were our enemies for a long time. We understood that. And, and we're still kind of moving in the same direction.

Now we're just flip-flopping around every four years. It's ridiculous. Jack, I'm sorry, I'm out of time. Is there going to be a second season terminal list? That's the real question. And you'll be one of the first to know if I get word. All right. I'm going to hold you to that.

All right. Good. Thank you so much. It has a score of 95 on Rotten Tomatoes. The critics hate it, 39%. But that to me is just an endorsement to make sure you're watching it on an Amazon Prime. Na na na,

nah.