The Glenn Beck Program - Best of The Program | Guests: James Lindsay & Ben Domenech | 6/17/20

Episode Date: June 17, 2020

Even France is taking a tougher stance against violent protests than the U.S. Aunt Jemima syrup is rebranding after cries of racism. TPUSA ambassador Reagan Escudé describes being fired from her job after criticizing Black Lives Matter from a Christian perspective. James Lindsay, author and founder of New Discourses, discusses “the cult dynamic of wokeness” and how the idea of “antiracism” fits the definition of cult doctrine. Glenn speaks with Ben Domenech, co-founder of the Federalist, after NBC News worked with foreign activist groups to try to ban the site from Google ads. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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This Friday, be the first to experience it only in theaters. In light of the recent scandal, I'm here to restore your credibility. Oh, because we're a team now? That's a nice story. The Devil Wears Prada 2 in Theaters Friday. Today in the podcast, we talked to someone who was fired from her job. for posting a video about how Christians should approach the Black Lives Matter movement. We get into that.

Also, James Lindsay, he is a guy who is an academic and has uncovered just incredible bias in the world of science and research. He was in his new understanding of racism, systemic racism, institutional racism, and the differences. Ben Dominish from the Federalist comes on. His site was threatened to lose its revenue from Google News. lose because I guess it was too hateful. In fact, the comment section was apparently hateful, which is a bizarre thing. And Mrs. Butterworth on the chopping block. We've already lost Aunt Jemima. That happened today. Now Mrs. Butterworth is the next one in the target. We'll get

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Lots of great stuff on the Blaze. Make sure to subscribe as well. Now here's the podcast. You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck program. By the way, let me just start with the French president. Emmanuel Macron Macron announced yesterday

quote we will be inflexible when it comes to tackling racism anti-Semitism and discrimination and new strong decisions will be made to reinforce the equality of chances

but this noble fight is perverted when it turns into communitarianism and into false rewriting of history. This is unacceptable. I will tell you very clearly tonight, my dear fellow citizens, the Republic will not erase any trace or any name from its history. It will not forget any of its deeds or take down any statues. Now I'd just like to point out, this is France. The world's pansies. They're taking a stand. Good heavens American men wear

have you gone? France is shaming a... France! France! They'll surrender to a squirt gun. They're taking a stand. Meanwhile, in California, they're removing

finally, finally, the statue of Columbus and Queen Isabella from the rotunda of the capital. It's only taken in like 138 years. That thing has just been screaming racism for 138 years and they're just getting around.

Well, I want you to know. California, I still don't forgive you. I still don't forget. You take down that racist statue from your return. You go ahead and erase what those white people in Spain did. Okay? but those banyards which were very well you are you you can erase it but you will never erase my memory of your racist erasing of racism i'll tell you that right now good thing macrone

wasn't around here because he would well he'd actually no he wouldn't be on your side gosh darn it whoever thought we would look at a French president and go, well, he's got balls. Stu, welcome to the program. I notice you're unusually quiet. Don't want to get, don't want to get involved in any of this, do you? That sounds like a terrible idea, yes. Yeah. So I'd like to invite you in on this one.

PepsiCo has just announced that Aunt Jemima is racist. And they are going to know. longer. Well, they're going to make the syrup. They're just going to put it into, I don't know, maybe a bottle shaped like me. And you can pour your syrup out of my head. Maybe. And I would take that. Colonel Sanders, I have been saying to KFC, I am Colonel Sanders. Look at me for the love of Pete. You are. You put a bucket in my hand and a white suit and a little bolot tie. And I am Colonel Sanders, and I love fried chicken. But they won't let me be the spokesperson.

So I'm offering my services to PepsiCo that they can make a syrup bottle in my shape. There's a lot of room for syrup. And I know it's like the jumbo family size. It's only available at Costco for sure. Right. Right. And you can pour the syrup right out of my head. And that's great.

I care about it. So I'm glad that people is probably just understanding this or like they've had this product for a very long time. It was created in 1889. So I don't know. I would say by today's standards, literally everyone on the planet who was on the planet in 1889 was probably racist by today's standards. So any product from those days would be something we'd have to eliminate right away. Maybe we should just start deleting and changing all the names of every products. every two or three years.

That way we never run into this problem again. Look, I don't think we should name it after anybody. We don't shouldn't name anything after anybody or build any statue unless they're, you know, unless they're BLM activists, you know? Right. And I'm sure, I'm sure the BLM activists would be fine having syrup poured out of their head, you know, and help Pepsi sell products. I'm sure they would be happy with that.

Oh. I'm sure they would. I just can't understand the reaction to this. The idea that a product that's been around since 1889 needs to go away now because people are protesting someone who was murdered by a police officer. Like, these things don't connect. They just, they're removing a statue. Have you seen the statue of Isabella and Columbus? Yeah.

It's enormous. It's enormous. incredible you know i have to tell you i would i would love to tell you the story of the capital in washington dc and and something a story that most people don't know but i honestly thought about it today when i read that i thought about telling that story i'm like oh you want i'm never going to tell that story i'm never going to tell that story because it will it will absolutely move it will move us into people will say the Washington, D.C.

Capital needs to be changed. What? Yeah, no, it's true. They're just changing everything. Did you see the situation with Bob Odenkirk and David Cross, the two comedians? No. I love these guys. Yeah, I mean, they hate me, but I love them.

Mr. Show with Bob and David was on HBO back in the 90s, the greatest sketch comedy show of all time, in my opinion. Of all time. In the correct. And they brought it back for Netflix for a few episodes. By the way, by the way, Stu will be rounding anybody up and chopping their heads off if you disagree with that. Anything.

We have a little different standards than the regular protesters. We're just about movies, entertainment, and comedy. These are the source of things that we can implement in our new autonomous zone that we're putting together. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But so there is a sketch comedy show called Mr. Show with Bob and David. They brought it back on Netflix in 2015. for like three or four episodes. It's kind of like a throwback to it.

And in one of the sketches, and it's funny how fast these things turn, but in one of the sketches, there is a parody of basically like a libertarian YouTuber. Remember this was a thing for a while where like libertarian YouTubers would go out like by police and they would film themselves and they would kind of be antagonistic

and keep saying things like, look, it's my right. If you have no right to ask me what my name is and you have no right to ask me to roll my window down and you have no right to take my documents. I'm a free citizen. State law says, you know, like that whole thing. So they're parodying that phenomenon, which is funny because to parody that phenomenon,

you have to make the police officers look really nice and understanding, which is the exact opposite of how they are portrayed today by entertainment. But so they go through this whole sketch, and he goes through like a checkpoint, a, you know, DUI checkpoint. And he keeps trying to antagonize the cop and the cop's just like, you didn't do anything wrong. Like he's totally playing along and not caring about what all of these

like crazy things he's trying to antagonize him into. He wants to get himself filmed being a victim of police brutality and can't get it to happen. It's essentially the sketch. So he goes through like five or six times. Finally on the last time he decides to put on blackface

and go through as a black man, right? And as he goes through, then the white cop sees him comes over. He's like, is this the guy that's been coming through all these times and starts spraying him with pepper spray and drags him out of the car and beats him up on the ground.

Now, there's a bunch of points being made, and it's also just funny, but one of the very fair points you could make from this sketch is that he's saying black people get treated worse by cops than white people. Yeah. Right? And white cops are the ones doing it, which is essentially exactly what Black Lives Matter is saying today, right? Like, it's exactly their point.

Netflix has announced because David Cross is wearing blackface in the sketch, they're deleting the sketch from the series. Like, wait, he's making the same point. I mean, that's better. Look, those guys are so left. You know, they are, they're always lecturing. And these guys will say, oh, well, they're just canceling that sketch. We apologize for that sketch.

We shouldn't have done that sketch. Now, they're pretty pissed off about it. And they'll actually mean it. They're, they're pretty pissed off about it, Bob and David. They're like, we made these decisions intentionally. Like, we did not, you know. Good for you. Like, they, like, they.

stood up for their material, which they should. Again, like, what is the problem with blackface? It's not the paint, right? It's not the makeup color. The problem with blackface is the motivation behind it. I brought up an example, actually, last night on Stu Does America, Glenn, and it was you were the one that made me think of it. It's because I remember going to your house and watching you burn American flags.

And it's like, holy crap, like, I don't want to burn American flags. That's a terrible thing. That's against America. We don't want that to happen. I want to cancel you for doing that. Well, when you actually, it's not the burning of the flag. That's the problem. It's the motivation behind the act.

When you look at the motivation behind the act, you would say, Glenn, it was an official retirement ceremony of a flag done with military and police from around your area to, do you remember the ceremony? Do you remember what I'm talking about? No, no. We had the, we had the Connecticut police honor guard. Yeah. And their job, part of their job, is doing ceremonial retirements of flags.

and so we looked it up and did exactly what we were supposed to do. This is the days before Facebook and social media, so nobody's ever seen it, except the people that were there. And it was a very, I actually have thought about doing it this year at Fourth of July and do carry it on Facebook. Yeah. Because I don't think people have seen it.

And it's very respectful. It makes you feel a little weird, though. I mean, you're seeing a flag burn, but then you realize, because you're an adult, you think it through and you say, well, this is actually the appropriate ceremony and how the Honor Guard does it. It's the same thing with this sketch. Blackface, yes, it can be used for 100 million bad reasons

and of course you should never do it because you're definitely going to get fired. But the motivation was to parody racism. It was to degrade racism. Doesn't that even count? We're not even adults enough to understand the motivation behind a message. It's pathetic.

Is it not? Yeah, it is. This is the best of the Glenn Beck program. Did you hear the story of the guy in California that was just driving down the street and he was in the, you know, California gas and electric truck or whatever the hell it is? And, um, and he has his handout and he's cracking his knuckles. And as he's cracking his first knuckle, he kind of makes the, he kind of makes the peace sign or the, uh, okay sign, which we all know is racist, which is not racist, which was, it was, it was started as a meme. and it was started by, wasn't it started by like 4chan people that were making fun and saying, let's try to make everybody believe?

Yep. So it's not even racist. It was a, it was a joke. It was trying to show what sheep Americans are. Yeah. So he's cracking his knuckles. Well, somebody takes a picture of it and said, oh my gosh, look at this racist, making this racist hand sign. Why would you?

I mean, this, anyway, he loses his job. he then has the person who wrote this said, I didn't mean for him to lose his job. I mean, I may have been wrong about that. And he says, you were wrong about it. I was cracking my knuckles. Now, he's a Hispanic guy. So the person that filed the, not even the complaint,

just social media and, hey, what's going on? That person has said, No, I was wrong. I was wrong. It wasn't a racist thing. The gas company will not hire him back. He wants his job back. I don't know why he wants his job back.

We called to see if he ever would get his job back, and they double down. The first national interview with him is coming up on tomorrow's program. You don't want to miss it. It is an unbelievable story. But this is happening everywhere. Reagan S. Q. A, who is a Turning Point USA ambassador, also a Christian,

she made a video, and she was talking about why BLM is not a Christian movement. This is not the way Christ would want us to do things. Well, my gosh, somebody in her office saw how offensive that was. And within 15 minutes, she lost her job. we have Reagan on the phone with us. Hello, Reagan.

How are you? Hi, I'm great. How are you? Good. So, Reagan, were you named after Ronald Reagan? You know, it's funny. My nickname growing up was Reaganomics. My mom called me that, and I still answer to it to this day.

I don't know what she named me after, but my nickname definitely is attributed to him. Okay. So, Reagan, what did you say that was so horrible? and Sarah, please be ready on the edit button. Go ahead. Well, you know, I was really, Mr. Beck, I was addressing the evangelical church, seeing the way Christian pastors and leaders have been just twisting the true gospel of the Bible and making this social gospel narrative was really upsetting and sad to me because I feel like it's very misleading to believers.

And so I posted a video discussing the Black Lives Matter organization, what it stands for, and why Christians should be focusing on the gospel, which ultimately reconciles hearts and fixes the sin problem of racism, rather than calling for action and, you know, focusing on racial reconciliation and things that are not of Christ. Well, there's no reconciliation. With BLM and this movement, there is no racial recognition. There is beg for forgiveness, but you can't really even know what you're sorry for because you don't know what you're guilty for because you're white. And you have to go through them for forgiveness. And there is no forgiveness, as I just pointed out. The problem with that is the only one that can truly grant forgiveness is God. you're coming in because you're white with original sin.

Well, that goes against, we don't hold people responsible for what their fathers or their great-grandfathers did at any time. God doesn't hold people responsible. He holds you as an individual and never a collective. This social justice garbage that is being shoveled by many of our churches is just that garbage and an affront to God. when man declares there's an original sin that you have to pay for because of what somebody else did 150 years ago, and there is no real forgiveness for you because you're white or black or yellow or orange, it doesn't matter. That's an affront to God. And I don't know why churches aren't getting this.

Yeah, I definitely agree. And I think, I think, too, Mr. Beck, there has been a Trojan horse of social justice within the church for a very long time. And I think, you know, after the George Floyd incident, things have come to their peak. And so the church is kind of in a place where if they don't address this, it would be an injustice to congregants, it would appear. But it's a shame, really, that the church has drifted so far from teaching theology that they have to, you know, as Scripture says, tickle the ears of those willing to listen. And they have to call for worldly virtuousness over spiritual righteousness. And it's just a dangerous line to walk. I think you have a congregation of people who come to church on Sunday to hear the gospel and walk away in worship,

but many church leaders are sharing a motivational speech with scripture sprinkled in so that congregants walk away with a worldly call to action, which ultimately does not save. So the reaction when you posted this, you didn't think you'd get any blowback or did you? I don't think I expected to get as much as I got. Most of my following on social media is Christian conservatives who very much hold the same beliefs I do. So I really was speaking to them. I did not expect it. And, you know, obviously social media reaches everyone, but I didn't expect it to blow up the way that it did.

And so, I mean, I got backlash, excuse me, I got backlash probably for a solid 24 to 48 hours. And it just, it was a lot. But I think it's something people needed to hear. I haven't taken it now. You lost your job because somebody in your office saw this post and said, you are a racist and need to be terminated. And within 15 minutes, I'm told you were in the office of the boss, and they were talking about you and your job.

True? Well, so it was actually an ex-employee. So someone that I actually used to work with, and she made a post. and called me racist, homophobic, and she tagged my employer. So, of course, then, you know, the mob on social media knows where I work now. And so they made calls in to the company made death threats to the owners. And I don't really know how bad it was. I know they had to get law enforcement involved to patrol the area and protect the building.

And it just blows my mind that that's the way we're going. So when you were brought in and you heard this, I know you didn't want anything to happen to anybody else, were they angry with you? Or what was their reaction? Was it like we got to get the mob off our back? Well, I think they were. So they first called me because I've been working at home due to all the COVID regulation. And so they called me and said, you know, it's been brought to our attention about this. social media post, we're going to put you on paid suspension until we complete an investigation.

And so I kind of was just all day, you know, heart rate kind of going high and not really sure what to expect. And then by 5 p.m. that day, they called me back and said, you know, due to the measures we've had to take, we've come to the conclusion, we have to terminate your employment. And I think it was something that they didn't want to do. And I could kind of hear that in their voice, but it was one of those things like their hands were tied. They said you resigned.

Yes, they did. And that's a whole other thing. On the phone, they offered me the option to resign. And I said, you know, I appreciate that option. And I guess they took that as a commitment. And actually, an hour later, I called back and said, you know, I've made my decision. I'd prefer to be terminated. My separation notice does not say that.

Right, right. So would you do it again? Oh, absolutely. you know I've kind of the way things have gone down you know I feel like and I don't have hard feelings towards the company I worked for at all I mean they have always been wonderful and taking care of me but I do feel like this could have gone a completely different way they could have fired me and done what they did or they could have protected me and you know press charges on those making threats because those really were the people in the wrong and so you know looking back it's like I don't think I wouldn't

change anything I did. I said what I said. I still stand by what I said to this day. And if, and if it'll let me go because of something I posted, not on company time, you know, not related to the company. I don't solidified for me the fact that it's, it's my time. Reagan, you are, I think the first person I've talked to that has actually lived the scripture of of he who will lose his life, for my sake, will gain his life. You are the first person that I think I've talked to, Stu, correct me if I'm wrong, that has actually fit that scripture. And you've had the bravery enough, you've been brave enough, to stand up against the mob and say,

I'm sorry, but the Lord would say this. And that is a big deal. There's a lot of cowards out there. many of us. And I, you know, I have been pushed to the wall, but I have not been pushed to the wall like even you have. I don't think. Nobody's threatened a, well, no, I take that back. Anyway, but you really fit that scripture. And congratulations. Congratulations. Keep it up. Thank you. You back. The whole time all this was going on, I just kept thinking of John 15, where Jesus said, if the world hates you, know that it hated me before it hated you. And as Christians were expected to have persecution, we're guaranteed persecution, as a matter of fact. So, you know, the worldly reaction isn't really a surprise to me.

I think what was a surprise to me were the number of people that I knew and grew up with who said they were Christians and who have, you know, studied Scripture and I've been to church with them, and they still, they have fallen for this social justice gospel. Yeah. Reagan, thank you very much. Reagan SQ Day. I will tell you the same thing that I said in 2009. If you're going to a church and they're talking about social justice, you need to do one of two things. Either run for your life or make your first stop your pastor's office or your priest's office

and say, what do you mean by social justice? there is no such thing as collective salvation. There is no such thing as the redemptive power of the whole. There is no such thing. I mean, it's amazing to me the people who argue faith versus works over and over and over and over and over and over again will actually be the same people who are fighting for social justice. That's an affront to God. when someone says there is no forgiveness for this sin which you didn't commit,

you're asking to bow down to an altar of a false God. And I stand by what I said 11 years ago on social justice. It is something that has been misconstrued. it started out as a good thing, I think, started out as a good thing. Some people still are convinced that it means just help the poor, etc. It does not mean that anymore. And you need to know it and study it and get away from it. When I say study it, you better hurry because all of our history, our dictionaries, everything,

are being changed as we speak, you need to keep a diary on what is true and what you know and do not go over the cliff with the rest of humanity. I want to say something to you real quick. She said, don't have time. I just, I want you to be here with me on July 2nd. On July 2nd, we are going to be doing something that I think is, it's very reminiscent of the 9-12 project show that we'd,

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You're listening to. James Lindsay. He is the author of Cynical Theoryes. He's also the co-founder of New Discourses. and he has been causing quite a storm with some of his latest writings and tweets on the cult dynamic of wokeness. You know of him because he was one of those guys that of the three scientists, including Helen Pluck Rose, that, that put together these peer-reviewed scientists. scientific papers and show that the peer review process was garbage if you use the right language. He's taking it a step further now, not trying to dupe anybody.

He's just explaining why wokeness is a cult, and he's here with us now to do that. James, how are you? I'm good. How are you? Well, I'm wondering how you think you're going to survive this. One day at a time, I think. Yeah. So, you know, I've been following your tweets and been reading your articles on new discourses.com. And you've come to the same conclusion that I have that this is absolutely a cult and a new religion that everyone is apparently jumping on the bandwagon for.

And I wanted you to take us through your thinking on. cults and I think what do you have five five different points on the cults and it starts with cult initiation so talk to me generally about what brought you here and then let's get into the initiation okay so several years ago we like you said the the social justice movement as it sometimes gets called or wokeness my colleagues and I noticed probably as early as 2013 that it's definitely got very religious undertones. And in fact, in 2014, 15 and so on, we started to develop those ideas. And in 2018, we started to go public with them. So we spent some time really looking into it. And so in early 2018, we did a talk, a public talk at Portland State

University is intersectionality a religion? And we laid out some big parallels. We talked about how, for those of you out there listening to have a theological background, it has an Augustinian framework under it. It's based off of a very, you know, confessional model. You have to confess your original sin of racism and oppression and all of this. So we laid that out. Then I wrote an article in late 2018, in great detail, very long, 15,000 words explaining how it really is a religious movement. And like all religions, certain heretical cults can spawn within them. And so now we're facing what appears to be a very cult-like set of behaviors. And like you said, I lay out three points that lead into a cult, and then there's two more points that talk about what a cult looks

like and how you get out of it. And so the first stage coming into a cult is initiation. The second stage is indoctrination, and the third stage is reprogramming. So just kind of give the map there. It's a slow process. It's gradual. It's not like, you know, somebody snaps to fingers and now you're in a cult you don't like go to the grocery store talk to the wrong person the next day you know you're wearing a funny uniform and handing over your kids or something it's a slow process this has been this has been a very slow this has been a very slow process um in our society starting really with the pc movement so it doesn't necessarily start out bad um although i thought PC was pretty bad, but it played on our better selves to be better.

And we have slowly been boiled here to the point to where now you can look at the world and say, how is this changing so fast? This is, there's a lot of people now in this cult, right? That's exactly right. There are a lot of people who are either in the cult, probably somewhere between five and 10% of the country is actually, you know, in the cult. which is that's a lot of people. And it's tens of millions of people. And then there are many people beyond that who, you know,

much like you would have like a, with a religion, you have people who are really into it. And then you have people who just kind of go to church sometimes, right? So you have these social justice people who just kind of, you know, they know the language. They have the kind of,

you know, the moral impulse, but they're not really studying it. They're not deep into it. And now those people who are closer to it, who had some of the ideas who would take, taking up some of it, they're getting it full blast. And what happens in that cult initiation process is they start to full blast hit you with emotional vulnerability. They try to make you

feel emotionally vulnerable. In this case, they're telling people, our whole society is racist. Racism is terrible and you're complicit in that. You have helped everybody be racist. You have made these terrible things like, you know, these claims about how black people are being, are being shot by police every day, which aren't true, but that's what they call their lived experience. You're complicit in that. That's what they tell people. So it creates an opening of emotional vulnerability.

And the initiation process begins by creating and inflaming that vulnerable place and then sticking the cult doctrine in to make you feel better. So you'll take it up. So now did, so did we play into the initiation process in our own selves, by allowing people to say that the whole country is racist and us kind of sitting here going, well, it's not, but I see their point on this and this. Did we kind of ease the or grease the rails here for them?

Yes and no. I don't think it's really fair to say that we did too much of that, but I will stick a couple of institutions or maybe three with a lot of blame on this because they didn't they didn't try to say okay I see your point let's be reasonable it's not but they didn't do that kind of like let me hear you out perspective which I think is totally fair and reasonable from anybody you have our universities you have our schools and you have a lot of the as you know it often gets phrased mainstream journalism the media that have all taken this stuff on whole hog. The media did it because it gets clicks. Hot takes get clicks. They get views. They get ratings. Lots of people pay attention. So it's kind of a perverse incentive there. The education program and the universities did it, however, because first they didn't have the guts to stand up to this crackpot theory that it all comes from. I've dedicated the last several years of my life to studying

this crackpot theory under this cult. And they didn't stand up to it when they should have. They didn't stop it when it was rising up. The last time anybody really tried to fight these ideas in what's called critical race theory in the academic literature was in the 1990s. They just kind of folded and let it go because I didn't want to be called racist. That's basically how this thing works. It doesn't really have any arguments. Its cases are very weak. It does have a point each time it makes a point and people say, oh, I see how you see that. Let's hear about it. But it's really like the worst possible way to analyze it. And then all these academics didn't stand up to it because they would get called racist. And then there maybe would be a department review. The next thing you know,

we had a Supreme Court case and started installing these diversity offices, which gave it administrative power. And the university is basically just folded. And what happens in the university, five to ten years later happens in culture. So here we are, you know, five to ten years, 20 years later, and it's everywhere. So when we're going through the initiation stage, The reason why we're susceptible to this is because we do want to do the right thing. Like, you know, when somebody says, look, you're on the side of racist. Nobody wants to be on the side of racist. And you can't even understand how you're racist.

Just help us dismantle the system. We're building a better world here. That appeals to us. And so that's, we kind of can half-heartedly get into the front door like that? That's exactly right. I mean, I don't like to usually use words like this, but that's why this is actually an evil cult. That's why I'd be, I would say, more a cult than a religion. And it's because it's playing upon people's best instincts to turn into something different. It's telling you, no, we just want to get rid of racism. But that's not true. They write on almost every page of their literature that they want a radical overhaul of the whole system that gets rid of liberal freedoms. They say it explicitly. They do not just want to get rid of. get rid of racism because they believe the first pillar of this theory that's called critical race theory is that racism is the ordinary state of affairs in American society. That's the first idea that they have. So the only way to get rid of racism when they say we just want to get

rid of racism is to completely tear down the entire system that we have back to the Constitution and build a new one that they've wanted to social engineer for us. And it's evil because they play on our best instincts. They lie to us. And I mean that. They lie to us about what the word racism means, what the word white supremacy means, and they manipulate our emotions, they play upon our willingness to do the right thing, and then turn it into something completely different. And I wish I was exaggerating. And like you said, nobody wants to be associated with racism. So they have this cultural nuclear weapon that calling somebody a racist. I mean, you look at any example you want. Now there are so many. You can't even pick one to just

hone in on where people are losing their jobs because somebody on the internet called them racist. So you can ruin somebody's life with one accusation of racism. And then this cult tactic has ideas like white fragility, has this weird definition of racism, a weird definition of anti-racism, so that if they call you a racist and you deny it, now all of a sudden that's proof that you're a racist. That's literally a witch trial. So James, I'm going to come back. I need to take a one minute break for a sponsor. But the other thing that they have going for them, you say they have a nuclear weapon.

The other nuclear weapon that they have is the media and culture. Nobody wants to be an outsider. Everybody wants to be in the cool kid club. And if they call you a racist, you're a way on the outs of all of society. But then also there's this reward that you're in the cool kids club if you're with them. And that's what the media provides, I think. That's what Hollywood provides.

And that is extraordinarily powerful as well. This is the best of the Glenn Beck program. So I don't even know where to begin on this story. So I'm going to ask the guy who's involved with this story to start us off. Ben Dominic, he's the co-founder of the Federalist, the podcast host of the Federalist Radio Hour. And we want to talk about Google attempting to. demonetize his website, the Federalist. Ben, how are you? I'm good. In fact, I am talking to you wearing my Ticovas right now, so I did not.

Are you really? Yes, I really am wearing them. They're really great boots, aren't they? They really are. They're great. They're wonderful. You know what isn't wonderful is big tech and their animosity towards anyone who conflicts with the narrative. Capitalize it. And in this case,

it really does look like NBC News, irritated perhaps at our coverage of their really, I think, terrible behavior over the last several couple of years, not just hiding the truth about Matt Lauer and Harvey Weinstein, but also, of course, their activity when it comes to the Russia collusion

hoax. And more recently, they're pretending that these riots and violence playing out across America were in no way connected to the protests. They attempted to come after us. And I think that they really screwed up, Glenn, in a way that is backfiring. I know for a fact that the over the last 24 hours trying to prevent a to continue to see coming weeks and months even in terms of questions about what. No, Glenn, it's a coal-mind moment of waking up the reality that's for all of us, and they are going to do so in ways that really go after anyone who questions the narrative that they have about the world that we live in and the country that we love.

Ben, I tell you, I am preparing for the day that the only way to reach me will be to go and type in the address, glenbeck.com or the blaze.com. And even that is sketchy. There will be no social media. We will be demonetized everywhere. And I think that day, Ben, could happen a lot faster than we think. Look how much change has come in just the last, what, eight weeks. We're in an entirely different country talking about things that we wouldn't even thought rational eight months ago.

six months ago. You know, Glenn, I look across this country and I believe that we're in very much a cultural civil war. So gun woman employed by channel other than Fox News during the daytime. And I don't speak for her, but she has been everything that we've gone through in these past several weeks. And she has asked me, repeatedly, is going pro gun on TV outside, outside of these institutions. And I've just told her, no.

headed towards a moment where you have to have the others have built behind you 100% because otherwise they will take you down they will demonetize you they will make it impossible to your job because they hate you have it back and forth I mean that's what we love as as Americans who like debate and I know you love it Glenn right but that's not possible with a mob that does not believe so tell me what you think

here about the NBC News I don't even know what she was a researcher or a reporter, knew from at NBCVC, thanks to FS fake news and CCD hate for their hard work and collaboration. And what she was saluting was the fact that you and Zerohead would no longer be able to generate revenue from any advertisements served by Google Ads. Who is this person? I've never heard of this person before. she's a London-based

journalist, and I do put that in close, because I don't believe that she was acting as a journalist here. She was clearly an activist. She was trying to be platformers. Yes, and working with a small leftist organization in the

UK that attempted to come after us, and Glenn, here's where I think they screwed up. Here's the mistake they made. I think that the gap of knowledge in between, you know, across the pond between America and the UK meant that they assumed we were some irrelevant blog that they could frame as being racist or unacceptable, when in reality, as you know,

we are well-connected, well-respected in terms of the world of Washington in terms of our coverage with people like Molly Hemingway and Sean Davis and others. And so we had members of Congress and senators reaching out to us immediately. Ted Cruz sent a letter this morning demanding to have some clarity from Google about what's going on. Josh Holly, Tom Cotton, and Marco Rubio are introducing legislation to crack down on Google this morning. I think that this is a moment where we are going to have to come to grips with the fact that these are the most powerful entities controlling, as you said, an enormous percentage of the ad revenue, an enormous percentage of the conversation. They are media companies, and they should be as. Yes, they are the public square now.

This is the public square, and they control all of it. And they said that their problem was with you. Not any of your reporting. It was some of the comments made by people reading, which I want to know, have they demonetized YouTube? Have they demonetized Facebook or Twitter? Because... Oh, my God. Glenn, those are the most toxic comment.

fields that you can find. Exactly right. We took our comments section down for the moment because of this demonetization threat. Comments will be back. I am not going to let them bully us out of having those. Personally, I don't really wait into comments. I think that they're a little crazy, but people blow off some steam there.

But my attitude is we should not have a situation where only people who are advocating for, again, a questioning of their narrative, this leftist narrative about what we're going through, they're the ones who have to respond for their comments. Not the New York Times, not the Washington Post, not mediaite, not YouTube, not any of these other places that they are perfectly comfortable with, Glenn. And to me, this is a sign of how they will utilize their lackadaisical approach to rules where they just say, oh, well, but, you know, if you are center-right, then we're

going to go down chapter and verse, we're going to look through all these rules to find a way to screw you, to come after you, okay? But if you are on the right side of the narrative, oh, that's fine, that's just, you know, that's just debate. We're letting that happen among your users. It's ridiculous, Glenn. It can't be allowed to continue. And as you said, they have a monopoly on the public square at this point. It's as if you had big paper, you know, like the inability to print anything other than what they allow. Right. So the organization that went after you was started by Amran Amman.

Ah, I have no idea. Gosh, I'm sorry. Yeah. Anyway, he's a trustee of victim support, which sounds wonderful, sits on the steering committee for the Commission of Countering Extremism, the Pilot Task Force there in London, and that's wonderful. He also authored the book, The New Serfdom, the Triumphism, the Triumph, conservative ideas and how to defeat them.

He wrote that with a Labor Party MP, also a political advisor to the Labor Party. They also have big high-profile supporters, such as the mayor of London, Sadiq Khan, who is not an extremist at all. You have one of the Secretary of the Labor Party, you have several Labor Party activists, former speechwriter for Gordon Brown. This is a far, far left organization.

I'm wondering where they get their money, but it sounds to me as if this is a London version of media matters that is doing exactly the same thing. And they're hammering places like Google, and Google is listening to them. I mean, one of the things that we have to be mindful of you, Glenn, is that, you know, these big tech companies, as many smart people as they employ, they're not very bright when it comes to these political matters. And in this case, I think that they were easily manipulated by a bunch of lefties who decided to, you know, in mass, report a bunch of our comments or, or other content that we, that we had and basically say, why are you, Why do you have any ads on this site? Now, I will say Google Ads is not our primary source of revenue, thank Lord. And so even if we had lost them, we would be fine. But it's the sort of thing where it's more about the branding involved of saying, you know, you're going to brand these folks as unacceptable for any ads to run.

And the left understands how to manipulate this scenario. They understand how to go into these ad components. these communications shops and put some things in front of them and say, why are you running ads on this person's site or that person's site? And from my perspective, the real situation here is we have the resources to fight back, but others do not. There are tons of people out there, you know, small businesses and small blogs and individuals, professors and alike who could be demonetized by this and they would not have the ability to get on the phone with Ted Cruz. and say we're going to fight back. And that's the thing that I think we have to be really concerned about, because that's going to continue.

The left no longer believes in free speech. They have ditched the old values of the ACLU. They have ditched the Bill Maher, the Howard Stern of the 1990s. They have thrown them aside. They're coming after Howard Stern. Yeah, I know. It's crazy. It's insane.

Ben, thank you so much. And anything that we can do to support you guys at the Federalist, We're all in this boat together. You just let us know, Ben, we stand behind you 100%. Thank you. Thank you, Glenn. I truly appreciate it. God bless you.

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