The Glenn Beck Program - Best of The Program | Guests: James Lindsay, Sohrab Ahmari, & Burgess Owens | 10/22/20

Episode Date: October 22, 2020

The NY Post’s Sohrab Ahmari details new evidence that Facebook is working with Chinese coders on censorship. Congressional candidate and former NFL star Burgess Owens is facing one of the closest races in the country and argues that the #WalkAway movement is working. “Cynical Theories” author James Lindsay explains how the Left has left him no choice but to vote unhappily for Trump: This is a decision between Trump and the anti-American movement behind Joe Biden. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Oh, I'm very nervous. This is a big one. This is a big one. But the good news is we have a fair moderator. And I'm sure they're going to bring up all of the news that we talk about in today's podcast. There's a lot to cover. There's good news on the economy.

There's bad news for Joe Biden. It looks like his. son's former CEO has had enough. He's tired of hearing that this is Russian collusion. He was there. And he said, yeah, that's what the deal memo was. 10 million being held for the big guy, Joe Biden. Also, the press continues to deny any of this. They're throttling the New York Post. We have the op-ed editor on with us to tell you what's actually happening behind the scenes at Facebook. who is hiring Chinese coders to help them find and suppress hate speech. It's a terrifying thing you're not going to find on Twitter or on Facebook because it's been suppressed and censored.

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Join us. Armari is with us. He is the op-ed editor of the New York Post. He was with us earlier this week or last week talking about being banned and still not having access. The New York Post still doesn't have access to their Twitter feed. And they won't get it until they retract the Hunter Biden story, which is looking more and more. more like the biggest scandal in American political history every single day. But there's a new angle on this.

So, Rob, welcome to the program. How are you? Good morning, Glenn. You broke some news yesterday that, you know, you can't really tweet or retweet because headlines don't tell the full story. You can read the article on Twitter before retweeting. you have the story, Meet your Chinese Facebook.

Tell me about it. The headline, just so people can find it because social media is so scruly in terms of how it treats the New York Post, and that's a separate, shameful story. The headline is, Meet your Chinese Facebook censors.

Yep. And the gist of the story is that last week, after observing what Facebook was doing to the New York Post, former Facebook, high-ranking insider, got in touch with me and shared a number of things. But among the things he shared was opportunity to shed light on the actual mechanics of how Twitter does its censorship. And what is the deal...

Wait, wait, Twitter or Facebook? I apologize. Facebook. Okay, all right. What it reveals to me, as I argue in the article, is the most sophisticated censorship mechanism, possibly in human history. And it's a team at Facebook called Hate Speech Engineering, George Orwell, call your office. And it's a team that is mostly based in... And this insider shared with me the directory of the staffers who work on that team. And he noted, and we verified using LinkedIn, these team members,

are Chinese nationals. They basically use machine learning teaching computers to do things on their own without the need for direct human action. So they use machine learning and what's called neural networks. He jigger the news feed that you get. So you have Glenn's Facebook feed, what you see, what all your friends have. What this team does is ensure that certain content goes for that. They would get discretionary bonuses according to the insider. But it also ensures that certain other content. This is the mechanism they use. A New York Post story that's damning Joe Biden three weeks out before an election.

Now, let me ask you this. These are people that they're PhDs and they have H-1B visas. So they're coming in from China. Are they experts in the Chinese censorship programs? Well, we don't know a lot of information about them that you can access once you know their names and where they work. But we didn't share that just out of courtesy to Facebook. Good for you.

What we did find is that is closely bound up with a Chinese regime, universities like University of Nanjing, the Chinese Academy of Sciences, these are all, you know, it's not like here where it's like, you know, I don't know, George Washington, you or what have you. They supported entities to the Chinese security. Exactly whether they did censorship for the Chinese regime, what we do know is that the institutions that trained them, state entities. I don't know, the signal service, the Chinese railway, again, a state enterprise. Because they're H-1Bs, you know, a lot of tech companies hire H-1B employees, Indians, Chinese, various. A lot of them, to be honest, just, you know,

we have nothing against the fact that there's Chinese people working, you know, sharing the American dream and settle in this country. But that some of them could go back, back to techniques for social control that they perfected and learned at Facebook society when it comes to this stuff, the free flow of information in his own society. This is so evil. Creepy. I mean, it is just evil what is happening right now. And we see it in what they're doing to you and the post and your reporting.

We know now. We have it from several, multiple sources, including. a guy who was the CEO of the Biden firm that was, you know, putting the Chinese deal together, confirming that that email is true, that the big guy is Joe Biden. We have all that. And yet it's still being called a conspiracy theory and you're not able to get your accounts back on social media. Now, bear in mind, the gentleman you're talking about is a U.S. Navy veteran. served four years and then got into business, including, you know, he has come out, come clean with a

statement saying, to the extent that I have made Democratic causes. Right. It's not some Republican figure. And he's saying, as someone who served in the U.S. military and the armed forces, talk about this stuff as Russian disinformation. Unions, and I'm paraphrasing, but basically should not least. It was all concocted by the Russian. The stuff that the post reporter is not Russian disinformation, and I think he's, and I think,

a lot of pundits, reporters, not to mention big tech CEOs. Well, try this on for size. Yesterday, the DNI confirmed that Iran, the world's leading sponsor of terrorism, has interfered with this election to damage Donald Trump by sending threatening emails to Democratic voters while posing as the proud boys. So CNN, first of all, did not cover. this. They didn't cover it. This is the federal government saying, here's the evidence. They've gotten voter registration information, and they have been intimidating Democrats to try to cause

hatred and possible violence with the proud boys. CNN not only didn't cover that FBI briefing, they then went on the air and said the only reason Iran had that proud boys moniker. is because of Donald Trump talking about them all the time. But as far as I can find, the only time he talked about the proud boys is when he's asked about them and told to deny them. Yes. And another utterly, utterly shameful thing, again, across the left of center media, let's whatever call them left media, let's be honest, is the fact that when the DNI, the director of national intelligence is a longstanding national security person, professional, comes forward and says the post material about the hunter files is not Russian

disinformation. They brought out, you know, lots of people who said, well, he's just in the tank for Trump. I mean, this is so irresponsible, so responsible. It's so undermines any remaining trust that people have in the intelligence apparatus of this country. When they, when they so, to the extent that it's sized apparatus the past four years. And then when it does produce a finding that's contrary to Democratic preferences, then the intelligence apparatus is in the tank for Trump, too. I mean, this is really impossible.

The poison and the damage of what this story has caused will be with us for a long time, no matter who wins the election in November. Well, I think it's interesting that they didn't ban the Lincoln Project for tweeting out. the proud boys were emailing people and threatening Democrats. That wasn't a problem. That went through. In fact, they were just allowed to delete that after the press conference yesterday. But it was the Lincoln Project that helped Iran push all of these lies through. It's really criminal what's going on.

Yeah, I mean, talk about the collusion. Look, I mean, I think it's been a long time over the past four years. You know, I consider, I use a category of woke. And to be clear, I'm the opinion editor, so I'm not a newsperson at the post, so I can share my opinions. I use two terms, woke and unvoked conservative. But I don't mean it in this sense that the left means woke. I mean it in the sense that conservatives who, as conservatives are aware of what's going on. Unwoke conservatives are the kind where they see in fairness happening and they're like,

All those. Wait. Wait, wait, wait. We missed that. Your phone broke up. What did you say? I was just saying unwrote conservatives

are conservatives who see this stuff going on and just ring their hands. Oh, the double standard. Attorney General Bill Barr, Tom Cotton and others who are like, yeah, we know what's going on. We're going to take political action. Because at this point,

terms, they're not just part of commerce in this country. Political action, but unaccountably, in the case of Facebook, we now know with the help of with Chinese science, Chinese nationals, yet they're not subject to any political accountability in this country. So this requires political action, the Senate, I believe, and Jack Dorsey. And then to begin to think about how to we how to be in two 30, but it's dying in the private sphere. And a lot of conservatives again are so hung up on whether it's a private entity doing it or a public one, be that okay, well, Facebook effectively is shutting down free speech.

and we can't say, well, that's okay because it's the enterprise doing it. Well, wonderful. I only have, I really only have about 20 seconds for you to answer this, but I can't let you go and not ask you, do you think the moderator is going to bring this up tonight in a non-conspirator way, and do you think it matters to the average American? I don't know. I don't want to predict.

I doubt that the moderator will bring it up. So it's up to Trump because I do see of corruption, which is deeply corroborated. It's also a story about whether our historic rights as Americans to is now a fact, again, that is a Trump administration to the GOP to the broader conservative movement. So, Rob Amari, thank you so much. You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck program. Boy, do we ever have some fighters and hopefully a new one, Burgess Owens, former NFL, Super Bowl champion and congressional candidate in Utah's fourth congressional district. They are saying it is the closest race in the country.

Welcome, Burgess Owens. How are you? Glenn, good talk with again, for sure. And can I just say something real quickly about these folks who try to reimagine? There's always from people who've never imagined from the first place. They've never built anything. But from their golden tower, they always can feel they can do it much better than those going out and taking the risk, figure things out, failed.

and got back up again. So that's what we're up against, those who are, who've never understood what it is going to go out there and make it happen from the very beginning. So Burgess, what are you hearing from people that you talk to? What is the mood and what are, what are people do you believe going to vote for in the end? Do they understand what's really at stake? Well, you know, Glenn, I have, I guess I'm one of those eternal optimist. I have so much faith in American people, just as I do in faith in Utahans. We have a natural instinct, our DNA that has us drift toward the light. It's been our 240-year history.

And so I see, as I look back in our history, that we've always been a country of miracles, that's because of our foundations, the biblicalism values. And that doesn't stop. That doesn't end because you have certain people who say that he doesn't exist. So I truly believe that this coming November, when it's... When the dust settle, not only we have a president who's going to take us the next four years to show up again what American-leven leadership looks like, we're going to have a house and a Senate with more backbone, they'll actually be able to push the process forward and be able to replicate what he's doing. So I'm one of those guys, again, I would say, don't worry about the polls.

Let's think about the American people. What do we normally do? How do we come through when times get tough? We always just win babies. So I'm looking forward to seeing that happen once again. So you're in the fourth district, which has a lot of Republicans in there, but also has a lot of independence and moderates, people who consider themselves moderate. The guy that you're running against is trying to appeal to he's saying he's a moderate Democrat. But there is no such thing as a moderate Democrat anymore.

You're not allowed in. No, no. Pelosi has an iron fist. She's a dictator. So no, you don't come there of being mine. You come there to vote for her, and 85% of McCadams is for Pelosi. He voted for impeachment during the time our economy was going very, very well. He's 100% rating by Planned Parenthood. That is not the sign of moderation.

And what I see is a good thing, Glenn. This last year has been a really tough one for us. But what we do when things get really tough, would be 9-11 Pearl Harbor. We just come together. We kind of come out of that little optimism shell, that dream shell that we normally have, and we start having conversations across the board. So I think we're going to have, we have Democrats, with intertenance, we have Republicans talking about things that we might not have talked about a couple years ago,

how close it came to losing our freedom, and it came down to businesses, to go on to worship our faith, to take out kids of school. Those things across the board are concerning, and I think the American people will have this moment and which we realize that we cannot go toward this darkness that the Democratic Party offers. So in this case here, right now I'm up one point,

but we feel a really good ground game here. We have a lot of excitement. And so, by the way, Burgess for Utah, Burgess for Utah, those who want to support me because we're all there, and of course, we have the next two weeks. But I feel very, very good that Utahans will represent out our country well and the value will help push our country back in the right direction.

Let me ask you a final question here, Burgess. Tonight the president is facing a debate. As somebody who has lived a long life of, you know, through the 1960s and through the civil rights movement and now with Black Lives Matter and everything else, there seems to be a movement. I mean, when you get 50 cent coming out and saying he's voting for Donald Trump and you see. see the polls of African Americans. Is this movement, this walk away from the Democratic Party? Is this real? It's real.

It's genuine. And I tell you, this is what happens when Americans, okay, what color we are, what our background. We love the idea of freedom of opportunity. And when we had a chance, we had a window of time where Americans crossed the board, the lowest unemployment in history of our country for blacks, Hispanics, Asians, women, teens, those kind of feelings, those emotions come aboard. And once we feel it, we'll never go back to the dark. So, yes, we're coming aboard.

I think the black community will, what's going to make our nation proud, as we start voting for the values that's always been intrinsic within us. We're finally saying we don't not want to stay on this plantation any longer. And when I walk through the airports and see the Maga Hats from black Americans across the board, it says that this is a real deal and it scares the left to death. So good rate for some good news. I just want people to remember, have faith in American people. That's what it comes down to.

Don't worry about the polls. The American people always come through the right time at the right reasons, and we're going to get that done this November 3rd. Burgess, you'd be one candidate I'd love to endorse, but I don't because I'm the kiss of death. And anybody I endorse, they always lose. They always lose. Your friendship is a number, my friend. It works out. Thanks a lot, Burgess.

I appreciate it. God bless. That's Burgess Owens. You can find his website, Burgess for Utah.com. A lot of money from the left is. being shoveled into this, into this seat to expand the Democratic arm. This is the best of the Glenn Beck program. Oh, this has got to be a day that James Lindsay prayed.

I mean, I think he's, I think he's an agnostic. So I don't know if he prayed, but if he was a praying man, it would be one of those days you're like, please, dear Lord, don't ever have me on the Glenn Beck program talking about Donald Trump in a that I'm going to vote for him. Welcome to the program, James. How are you? Hey, Glenn. Good to talk. Is it? Is it really? I mean, it is. I'm a man of integrity, I hope. So you are. I say what I think. Yeah. Say what I believe. I have, I have been so impressed with, with you and your friends that

you have been willing, you know, you know when it's, when you're doing something that you believe in, when it's something you really don't want to do, but you're just like, I got to do it. And you have been that guy ever since I've known you. You are the author of cynical theories, the co-founder of new discourses, and you just put a podcast out where you explained why you're in this position now.

Can you go through that? Yeah, a lot of people don't understand what's happening with the election that we have right now. They think it is a choice between Donald Trump and Joe Biden. And at the surface level, of course, it is. We're voting for each candidate to be duly put into the office of president. But that's not what we really have going on, because we have in Donald Trump a man who's going to govern, as we've all seen the way that he feels like he's going to govern. And we have in Joe Biden, a man who's captured by a movement that wants to tear apart the American society at its very foundation.

People think that Donald Trump is the cause of chaos, and in some ways he is. I mean, I think he likes chaos. I think he operates best in chaos, at least in his mind. The press has always rewarded him for saying crazy things in the past, and so now it's just part of his life. Now they hate it. But he says things and has, and one of the things that really, you really, you know, that really concerned me in 2016 and really up until COVID is I thought this guy, you know, being a CEO

was not going to be the guy who says, no, we can't do that. The Constitution doesn't allow me to do that. And I thought he would act on his instincts if there were real problems. He has fought all of that authoritarian, not only maybe an instinct in him or a CEO instinct, but the press and the left were calling for him to take control of companies and take control of states, and he rejected it. Did you see that one coming? No, I didn't. His rhetoric is very often kind of authoritarian, and it has been something that a lot of people have been duly concerned about for the last, I guess, three, three and a half years,

and it seemed like the kind of thing that would happen, and it didn't happen. The evidence doesn't point that direction. So it was quite surprising, to be honest. And you, I think this is one of the things you're really concerned about because you are a liberal. But you're a classic liberal. And you're seeing things now. I mean, I am terrified of the left, not necessarily of Democrats like my Democratic neighbors. But the left and those who want power so badly, they'll do anything to get it.

I think these guys are truly frightening. because look at what they did to Nancy Pelosi, or not Nancy Pelosi, Diane Feinstein. All she said was this hearing was really good and productive, and it was one of the best Supreme Court hearings we've had in a long time. Chuck Schumer said, I have a sit down with her, because the left was demanding that she be disciplined for saying that it was a good hearing. Yeah, they're completely off the rails.

And that's what people kind of need to understand is when I said at the beginning that this is an election between. Donald Trump and then a movement that's controlling Joe Biden. The movement is the one that wants to sit down and talk to people who have their own mind. I don't know how many of your listeners or how familiar you are with the Evergreen State College situation where that college melted down 2017. I see Joe Biden as the George Bridges character. George Bridges was the president of Evergreen. He was not woke. He did not come in as a woke president to run the college. He came in as a guy who was going to be permissive to the radicals, and in particular, a couple of faculty members

and a contingent of students that were a small minority of the college. And that's what it takes, because people don't know how this operates. This ideology operates by taking over administrative bureaucracies, what a lot of your listeners will call the administrative state. That's where they will work their way in. And the question is, do you have a guy in office who's fighting it? Trump just put out the executive order against critical race theory. Or do you have a guy in office? who's going to either permit it or put the accelerator to the floor, like I talked about on your podcast. Biden is not only going to be permissive of it, he's going to put the accelerator to the floor. He's talking about wanting to add justices to the Supreme Court. I think he said

something about it today or CNN reported that. There are articles coming out on the left talking about wanting to abolish the Constitution. We hear abolish the police, abolish all the things we don't like, now abolish the Constitution. And this cannot stand. The question is, are we going to fill our administrative state with people who are going to make this the policy? They're going to twist the words so that the laws are less relevant or that are interpreted in different ways. They'll interpret our constitution in new ways, the so-called living constitution on steroids, not just a matter of, you know, steroids like literally reinterpreting the whole thing. Let me give you a quick example.

The Fourth Amendment protects against search and seizure of property. well, if you mainline a narrative that we live on stolen land, the Fourth Amendment doesn't protect against the search and seizure of stolen property. So if we live on stolen land and everything was made out of stolen labor from slavery, and those are the main narratives. All of a sudden, the Fourth Amendment protects you against nothing. And so you don't have to change the Constitution. You don't have to abolish the Constitution.

And if we fill our administrative state with people who think this way, who want power and want to exercise power in this way, it doesn't actually matter who the president is. It doesn't matter who the legislators are. It doesn't matter any of that. That's how they're going to operate at that level of administrative policy that's mostly unaccountable to voters. We're talking to James Lindsay, the author of the book that I highly recommend cynical theories about how he has gone from never vote for a Republican, never vote for Donald Trump to now, I must vote for Donald Trump. the the press has gone really truly over the edge they have they have looked into the abyss and jumped they are now talking about censoring anything that they disagree with they the evidence now on these emails that are coming out against Joe Biden that shows that he is absolutely corrupt. They're being verified left and right. There are more emails that are matching it. One of the guys

who was the CEO of the Hunter Biden company that did the email or was on the email chain, did the deal in China. He's come out today and said, this has got to stop. Yes, that deal was done. And Joe Biden is the big guy. And yet they are not. talking about it at all. There's, I mean, there's no chance of getting the truth anymore from the media. I mean, if you look even at the critical race theory executive order, we saw that. Immediately, they came out just person after person after person, outlet after outlet. They're still doing it, saying that President Trump has banned diversity training or has banned racial sensitivity training. Well, those are lies. He did not. And if you read the executive order, he didn't even technically

ban critical race theory. He banned the divisive things that critical race theory does, and he banned the teaching of it as fact. He says, in fact, in the executive order, it says you can teach it in the sense that you might teach a comparative religions class where he'd say, Christianity believes this, Islam believes that. These are what different religions believe. Critical race theory believes this. You can teach it that way with, you know, the other people believe differently, but you can't teach it as facts and you can't put it especially in administrative of trainings in the federal government or contractors or education. And they came out and just lied about it.

And you talked about censorship. You had the British member of parliament speaking on. Kemi the other day spoke up and said that critical race theories devices. And Facebook and Twitter started to immediately censor her speech. Sense of what our constitution has, I know that's Britain, but nevertheless, Facebook is not a British company. This is very not liberal in the sense of what our constitution is about, free speech, thought, free religion, all of these things. It's very concerning. And this is the movement that is

controlling the Democratic Party. It is my belief that there has been a largely effective kind of velvet coup, silent coup of the Democratic Party that's turned it completely in the control of this movement. And that's what we're going to be electing if we elect Joe Biden. So I can't do it. Do you have friends that are waking? I mean, you just have to be a parade. with your old circle of friends. You know, when I say friends, I don't mean good friends, but I mean, are you seeing anybody else waking up? Is this censorship being done by Twitter and Google and Facebook? Is any of this playing a role with your friends?

Do they see? Wait a minute, wait a minute. This is way out of control. That we can include good friends. I've definitely been thrown under the bus. by good friends and family members, as a matter of fact, for this. But that said, I mean, written out of their lives. And so that said, though, there are people waking up.

And as a matter of fact, I'm being told that the podcast about why I said, it's called Biden is not the room where it's not Biden that matters. It's the movement that controls Biden, the podcast that put on a new discourses yesterday. I'm having people tell me that this is having an amazing impact, that people are seeing that the censorship that these, willingness, the willingness, the express willingness to change the fundamental structure of our government and to hold the Constitution and open contempt, that's scaring people even more than the riots and the excuses. It's not even the riots, okay? So it was the excuses that were made for the riots that

really has scared people. Our main media, many even left-winging and Democratic politicians speaking up saying that there are reasons that these riots, these arson, these, these, let's name the The reason is racism and say it's a public health threat that we now have to treat like it's a pandemic. Three responses so far. One is that people are very happy, hoping that I'll reconsider and are reaching out to me vigorously. And one is that people are being quite nasty with me. But then in the kind of the corner, I'm also hearing a bit of a significant amount, really. So people think, thank you, you make me feel like I'm not crazy and I can breathe.

I can finally breathe. It's a tough, tough decision. I have somebody very close in my life who said, I'll never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, vote for him, ever. And had a conversation with them recently and said, I understand, but, and they stopped me and said, oh, no, I'm there. I'm voting for him. Wait, what?

They see it. They see it. If you're willing to open your eyes, you see what we are really. facing. James, I, I, I, from the first time we met, uh, and, and we, we talked, um, I found you to be an honest broker that was willing to listen and have their mind changed if you could present a good case. And I think I struck you as the same kind of person. There's things that I do and believe I don't want to believe because it's not fun. but I do.

And that is a person of integrity. And I can't thank you enough for not only having the integrity, but the courage to then make it so clear to so many others. Thank you. Thanks, I appreciate that. You bet. His website is new discourses.com. Make sure you listen to the podcast.

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