The Glenn Beck Program - Best of The Program | Guests: John Ziegler & Bob Woodson | 6/26/20

Episode Date: June 26, 2020

Coronavirus cases are peaking again, and so is the panic. NASCAR released a picture of the "noose" found in Bubba Wallace’s garage. Mediaite senior columnist John Ziegler discusses how "hate crime hoaxes" are their own genre of news and how Bubba Wallace’s noose story fits in. The Woodson Center’s Bob Woodson returns to discuss how the 1776 Unites campaign is reviving the history that black Americans are losing. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Welcome to the podcast. Today we find out fabulous information about the Cuomo family, where we realize that apparently Aaron Drew Cuomo was the best politician in America. And that completely unbiased review comes from his brother on a national news network. So we'll get into that. Also, more cancel culture going on, the ridiculous statements from actresses and comedians who are trying to be super duper woke and explain why they're dropping their cartoon character voices. because they're too racist. Amazing. John Ziegler joins us about the news at NASCAR. How does the media keep following for this stuff?

We'll get into that. And of course, talk about the new development in the special, if you didn't see it this week on Glenn's show, about the funding for Black Lives Matter. There's all sorts of shady stuff going on. You need to see this special. Go to blazedtv.com slash Glenn. The code Fight the Mob.

We'll save you 20 bucks off your subscription. You can see the special there. go into a brand new development on that in Hour 3 as well as talking to Bob Woodson, who is the founder of the Woodson Center. And it is an amazing perspective that you don't hear in the media all that often. That happens today as well. Make sure to subscribe to this podcast and rate and review it, five stars being the appropriate amount of stars.

And check out Stu Does America as well. That is available for podcast every single day. And we'd appreciate your subscription there. to here's the podcast welcome to the glenbeck program it's friday and uh we have the the one and only pat gray who i just want america to know i am going to chop his head off uh but but as if i may quote the uh b lm leader uh i could mean that literally i could mean that figuratively i mean it's a well which way do you mean it because you're the one saying it so you must know

I don't know. Don't know. Don't know. No, I don't. It's up to your interpretation and ours. It's up to your. Yeah, it's up to your interpretation. And I think that's great. But I am going to cut your head off. Anyway, Pat, welcome to the program. Great to be here. Thank you, Glenn. I'm quite concerned. I almost shouldn't come out of the house today because of the rampant COVID infection. The record record infections that are going on right now. Wear a mask. Really? Stay indoors. Don't go anywhere. Right. people are dying everywhere right now and it's frightening to me but and younger people are getting it right now they're they're young I don't know where because you know they didn't get it from the protest they were attending jammed together with thousands no those were those were good no because they were fighting a bigger disease there so you can't get another disease when you're

fighting a bigger one but but the bigger with the bigger disease is the one that killed nine people last year and the the smaller disease is the one that killed 125000 right well 125 that's cute that you're used then number. What? That's adorable. You would say 125,000 people at the time. What do you mean? Well, just listen to Joe Biden and you tell me. Well, people

drastically underestimate is the impact on the mental health of people who now everything is complicated. Not only is the health care piece, but people don't have a job. People don't have anywhere to go. They don't know what they're going to do. And a lot of people

you have unnecessarily, now we have over 120 million dead from COVID. Holy crap. Can I tell you something? Can I tell you? Wow. That's too many.

They are covering. Way too many. That is. I'm going to wear a mask. Yes. Now, may I say a couple of things. May I say a couple of things? And the first one is if you happen to be watching GBTV or Blaze TV right now, could you

please put him back up on the screen? I think this is, this is very risky of him. He is obviously trying to reach out to the Republicans by wearing a, you know, a fake Abraham Lincoln beard. Or is that an Amish beard? I thought he was going to churn butter after this I don't know. I think he's trying to make everyone believe he's Abraham Lincoln at this point.

That's great. And yeah, I think it's great. I think it's wonderful. I think it's wonderful. Although the message. So I like these people too where I love these people who wear masks and then just take them off, you know. You just start talking. Yeah.

You know, so I'll walk around you and I'll wear. wear the mask, but the minute I have to talk to you, I got to take it down because it's just too damn hot. And of course, it's the, it's the talking thing that's spreading the droplets, right? Like it's, that's the whole point. That's where you really exactly right. Yeah, you don't need to necessarily wear it when your mouth is closed and you're, you know, breathing slowly through your nose.

If I may, that's why 120 million people have died. That's true. Yeah. That's a great point. That's a great point. Can I tell you where can I, you know, you're mocking this, but 120 million people have died. and you're right. They didn't get it at the protests.

Do you know how many hair salons have been opened in just the last few weeks? Oh, wow. We should have arrested these people. We should have thrown them in jail. We should have burned their hairdressing, well, the entire hairdressing community down to the ground. Because that's clearly where these kids, kids like to get their haircut. Yes, they do. You know?

They really do. And, you know, and they get their haircut at where? Salons. Pat? Salons. Exactly right. Yeah. Why we haven't arrested every barber and salon owner in this country and put them into some sort of reeducation camp is beyond me.

It really is. We have arrested some of them. We did put some of them in jail, but I guess it wasn't enough. Of course it wasn't enough. It's never enough. It's never enough. I mean, why we, I'm sorry, you know, I go for the, it's just the soft heart of mine that I, that I say we should put them in re-education camps. We should just shoot them.

I mean, if we're, if we're being honest, they're bad people that will never get it. Yeah. And they were out protesting, and their protesting was directly causing lives to be lost. That's a good point. $120 million. Yeah. That comes from. All of those gun-toting maniacs that just wanted to kill your grandmother that were protesting in front of state capitol saying, hey, we want to open our business against.

We have to feed our children. Those people were so irresponsible. I hope they're in a gulag or a work camp right now. And then on top of it, the extraordinary danger that hairstylists present in our. in our culture. It's bad. It's bad. May I tell you, I, I had to drive around piles of dead grandmothers on the way into work this

morning. That's how many people are dead. Did you? Yeah. Yeah. Just from the, just from the hair salon usage. Yeah. Hair salon.

Yeah. Most of them had blue hair, which they had done at the salon. And there they were piled up dead. I can't tell you. So you have to ask, you have to ask, Pat, you know, you feel pretty good about yourself right now. But aren't you complicit? Have you ever had a haircut?

I have. Oh my gosh. I have. You're right. I need to be introspective on this. So your complicity in this is really, is really grotesque and sickening. Really. It is.

You haven't had one since March, have you? Yes. Yes, I have. Gosh. How many millions are you responsible for? If I'm, to be honest, probably four to five million of those people were at my hand. Wow. At my hand.

Just so you could just look a little bit better on television. is that what this is about for you? Yeah. And not that much better, frankly. Not that much. Really. Yeah, no, not really any better. Not really any better.

So, yeah. Stu, could you please get me some sort of a garage door opener with a little loop on the end? No, no. So I can. Well, I'll have you know that's a real news. Okay.

Now, it may not have been directed at anybody or anything, but it was a real news. and it's a... Well, it's a real hazard. It wasn't a... No, it wasn't like the stereotypical cowboy noose, you know, with the... It wasn't, I think it was just a loop, wasn't it?

It was just like, you know, so you could... You could grab that and pull the garage door down. Yes, it was, but that doesn't make it any less of a noose, Glenn. It doesn't. Well, no, it really does. How would you define news? I would define it as a thing that kills black people. That's the only thing.

Not a knot with a loop on it that's that Titans as you pull it. I would define it as a thing that kills black people. It's the only use for a noose in modern history. Right. Well, I would describe, and I think you could look up the dictionary, look it up in the dictionary, and you could see. I would describe a noose as something other than what was hanging from that garage door. NASCAR. That's how I would.

I mean, that wasn't. I love how. But that's like, it's like, it's like the news. It's like the news is like the news is used for other things. Like they act as if the only use has ever been lynching. Yes, that's like saying rope. It's like, why I found a rope and ropes are used in lynchings. Well, ropes are also used for other things.

Like, it's, it's the intent and the act that you use it for that matters. If it's used to pull down a garage door, which it had been there for at least since 2016. We know that. It was at least since 2016 there. You know, that's not really big deal. This guy is, you're now excusing everyone in the tugboat industry. and you're saying that they're there they're not racist for all of the rope that they use every day just as an intimidation that is a good summary of my position yes wow and you freely

openly admit yeah no reeducation camp as the gay character on the show i can get away with it's like that oh you're right you're right you're right about that yeah and yet pat was laughing at it No, I wasn't. That was a, gosh. Those were tears. Those were, yeah, I was crying. I was. I was right.

I was. I am absolutely right on that. Well, thank you. And let's just take a, let's just take a, let's take eight hours and 45 minutes to pause for all of the deaths of the grandmothers. Okay. That have, yeah, have passed away. And I'm only setting that time because that gives me time to not have to finish the show. or do any actual work for the rest of the day.

So. Okay. All right. Enough. Enough. All right. Thank you very much. Pat,

appreciate it. No, no. Bless. Thank you. No, no. I must have this. I must insist.

No, no. Please let me get it. I must insist. No. I mean, okay. No, well, you, I mean,

if you want to pick it up and take the thank you, you can. No, you go ahead. It's all yours. No, no, no, no. I don't want to take that a very important thing for you. All right, okay. I must have it then.

All right. No, you know what? No. I feel bad now. You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck program. Yes, this is the city. The city that NASCAR built with nothing but Confederate flags, nooses, and racists, wherever you look.

Now somebody who says, oh, no, it wasn't racist, comes along. And it's my job to talk to him. John Ziegler, senior columnist, Mediite. John, what'd you find? That's fantastic, Glenn.

Well, you know, yeah. When I drink just a little in the morning, it's easier to do the show. Well, look, I don't want to take too much credit. for debunking the Bubba Wallace

news controversy because generally speaking, the only safer prediction than saying that a media news story will turn out not to be true

is betting that Colin Powell is going to have endorsed the Democratic presidential nominee. I mean, history tells this that this is not

much of risk. Right. Right. And what's, and when I think is most interesting from a conservative liberal standpoint on

this, and I think still will probably back me up here, is that conservatives have a huge advantage in evaluating these stories because we've already read the ending of the book. See, liberals don't read the end of the book on these stories. We hear about them periodically,

and then they go away. But some people, almost always conservatives, decide, well, wait a minute, whatever happened with that one? And invariably, they turn out not to be true. Usually in hysterical contexts. I mean bananas that are supposed to be racist, that turn out just to be bananas. You know, LeBron James. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

I've not heard that story. Please tell me the bananas that were racist that turned out just to be Oh no, that just turned out to be bananas. That was one of my favorites. For some reason, this happens in sports all the time. This, the One I'm referring to was several years ago in a high school football game in New Jersey. Northern New Jersey, by the way, hotbed of racism.

And there were two schools. One was mostly black. The other was not all white. And the mostly black school found some bananas in their locker room and decided that that was because they were the road team. They decided that was racist. This created a massive controversy. It was turned out that the bananas were just bananas. But the home team was still at Monash.

because they should have not been that racially insensitive to leave bananas in the road locker room of a team that had a lot of black players. Yeah. This is a whole genre of stories, John, which is like the lesbian waitress who gets, I don't believe in your lifestyle on a receipt. You know, the Islamophobic receipt writer guy who, you know, writes some terrible message. The person who writes like, hey, Heil Trump on a wall for some reason. and we say it's supposed to be a Trump supporter. We find out later it's just some college activist. I mean, all of these stories turn out the same way over and over,

and the media falls for it every time. Can I just add one more quick one because this is maybe my favorite. Do you remember what happened at the University of Missouri a few years ago? There was all sorts of chaos about racial and sensitivity. And one of the stories was that there was a swastika, a swastika that had been depicted in a bathroom on the campus of the University of Missouri. And when the picture finally came out, it was very clearly poop smeared on a wall by someone who was drunk.

That was all that happened. I mean, there was no swastika. I mean, it is an illness, and it has gotten into even celebrities. I mean, how many people, I don't even know if you're aware of this, Glenn, this is one of the more amazing stories that have been dropped of all time. LeBron James, biggest sports star at least in basketball,

if not in all of sports, a couple years ago during the NBA championship, declared that his house in Brentwood, California, O.J. Simpson's former home, downtown, that it had been defaced with racist graffiti. Racist graffiti in Brentwood. And bizarrely, there was no suspect no pictures.

The horrendous LAPD never got to the bottom of this. And then most bizarrely, after this horrendous investigation by the city of Los Angeles, LeBron James decides to go play where? Los Angeles. So why in the world would he decide

to play in a city that just allowed his Brentwood Mansion to be defaced with racist graffiti and never get to the bottom of it? How is that possible? It's the cops. It's the cops and they're bad everywhere. Where's he going to go? Where's a man going to go?

Right. Oh, my gosh. I first heard about this story. I was inherently skeptical, but you guys know me well enough to know. I want to find out, okay, what's the story here? Is this possible? I mean, this seems highly improbable that in this atmosphere, incredibly racially charged, that because this is what we're supposed to believe.

If you use your freaking brain, you have to go through, okay, what does this actually mean. If someone put a noose in a black man's garage, have you heard about a pandemic? Have you heard about how restricted things are? Do you understand how few people would have access to a NASCAR garage just before a major race at Talladega? This would be an act of colossal. I mean, colossal stupidity. This would be effectively like deciding you're going to rob a bank where you know you're going to get caught and you only take $20. I mean, it's insane. off the bat. Now, people do insane things all the time. So it is possible if there's some evidence. And so, like a suspect, I mean, this would be incredibly easy to figure out, okay, we think we might have known who did this because there's a very limited number of people who had the opportunity to do so.

But instead, without any kind of a suspect, without a theory of how this would have happened or why this would have happened in a logical world, and at the time, without even a photograph, the news media, Besides, yep, this happened. This happened, and it's got to be racist because after all, it's NASCAR, and it's Alabama. And we know about those people, right? I mean, so they must be racist. This is clearly very plausible in the world of the liberal media, and especially in the sports media. I mean, ESPN is just the absolute worst on this, and they always fall for this stuff, no matter what it is, because they have to be woke because they're a bunch of white males who are terrified for their own jobs. That's really what's at the essence of this. White males terrified of being canceled. So they jump on whatever it is because they need to be on the right side of history and show how woke they are. And they're one of the good ones. And please don't take my job. That's what's really motivating this. Now, NASCAR didn't help matters by throwing gasoline on the fire because they were terrified of being canceled, too. And then what's happened since, though, I've got to tell you, I still have questions about because I'm more confused today than I was before we eventually realized that the FBI declared this was not a hate crime, that this was just a way of opening and closing a

garage door, but this story has evolved in a way that is frankly bizarre since then. So I'm not 100% sure we're ever going to know what really happened, except this was not, shockingly, like almost all these other news stories, this was not a hate crime. Okay, so I don't know what you're confused about, and I'd like to hear that, but I'm confused on why everyone keeps calling this loop a noose? I mean, I think you, do we not your finger,

you put your finger on an important point. A news means two things to two different groups of people. A noose is an actual not. Okay, let's be clear about that. It's a legitimate not. Now, it has become,

it has become seen as a symbol of racial hatred because, and for understandable reasons, because of hangings of black men in history. So I understand that, but when you say the, word noose, that's an actual knot. If you go to the Wikipedia page for news, it's the description of a knot. And yes, what appears to have been in Bubba Wallace's garage was a

noose. It was a noose not that was used to close the garage door. Now, where I'm a little confused is that we now apparently know why in the world NASCAR puts out this picture after the controversy is over, after the FBI has said, nope, this is not a hate crime, after Bubble Wallace has gone, and this is to me the part Glenn and Stu that really gets me suspicious. I'm not making an allegation right now, but I need an explanation. So why does Bubble Wallace go on, Don Lemon, who even Don Lemon was confused, now that that's unusual, but Don Lemon was very confused in the interview on Tuesday night on CNN, where

Bubba Wallace is still sticking with the hate crime narrative, right? And it was a bad interview, but people were rallying to a side, of course. And liberal media is always going to, they don't want to look like they were idiots and they looked like they were duped. So there's no negative pressure on Bubba Wallace after that CNN interview other than maybe from conservatives going, what the hell was that? And then the next day, he puts out a statement, doesn't do an interview, puts out a statement, totally changing his story, saying,

I'm a little embarrassed. Thank goodness this wasn't a hate crime. Thank you so much for the love. Let's move on. What I would like to know is what happened in between. What forced that statement? Because to me, there requires new information to force that statement. You see where I'm going with this?

I don't know what the explanation is. I need an explanation, especially. when then they put out this photo of this news, and I still don't understand the timeline. I still don't understand when for sure that quote-unquote news was put there because the photos don't seem to match where this was in October of 2019. And a lot of Wallace's supporters and the race baiters have been saying, well, see, this really He was a news. There was only one news on the entire, and all the 1600 or whatever it is, garages at Talladega.

And I go, okay, that's a hell of a coincidence. That's actually too much of a coincidence, especially when you have Wallace changing his story so dramatically, and I would really like to know what piece of information made him decide. You know what? What do you speculate? What do you speculate? Who put the damn news there?

This shouldn't be that difficult to find out of this point. It's the most famous news in NASCAR history. There's not that many people with access to these areas. I am suggesting it is possible. I am not. I have been in the category of this is not Jesse Smallett, too. As you guys know, I was way ahead of the curb on that story. This is not Jesse Smollett.

I'm not saying this is Jesse Smollett. I'm saying it is theoretically possible that Bubblewalled got some information that maybe, I want to underline maybe the rope that was sort of a news last year that appears to have been cut in photographs in June of this year got replaced by somebody on his team. That's what I think is theoretically possible, theoretically possible. But not meaning it as a noose. Probably not. Probably it was probably. I've always been in the misunderstanding category of this, you know, the racist banana category of this.

The racist banana. But most important part of this whole thing is it was clearly not unless the FBI and now everybody else is in cahoots, including Wallace. This was clearly not a hate crime and that we need to stop overreacting these things. And the media is exposing themselves as people who just believe all white males, especially in the South, are inherently racist until proven otherwise. And that's wrong. because that's an incredibly, incredibly corrosive message. All right. Hang on. Stu's got a question for you, but I got to take a break for one minute and then we'll come back with John Ziegler.

Talking to John Ziegler of Mediite, John, another part of this I find to be pretty interesting, because I would love to get the answer to you the question you just asked as well. It would be really interesting. But I think there's a chance that, you know, this thing gets cut off somehow. And some hypersensitive crew member sees this news. and thinks someone's targeting his guy. This escalates and escalates. Everyone's on the same page.

Oh, my gosh, racism. It blows up into what I heard one sports host say was the greatest moment in sports history when people were walking, legitimately heard that quote of those are walking down the pit crew, you know, before the race. But like... Well, I know I said to myself,

do you believe in miracles when I saw that? There you go. There you go. But I mean, a lot of people are targeting saying Bubba Wallace is the issue here. And you're right, he handled the Don Lemon thing very poorly. But, you know, he's in the middle of an international racial controversy. You can almost give him a little bit of a break, maybe.

The media, though, not asking basic skeptical questions about this from the moment it happened is inexcusable. They've been burned by these stories hundreds of times, and they continue to go down the same path. They hate NASCAR. They hate NASCAR. They hate the same. South and they want this narrative. So why would they ask a single question? I agree with Glenn, but I still think it goes to the basic issue of what the

motivation of especially a white male sportscaster is. Keep my gig at all costs. So when you're deciding, okay, what position do I take on something like this? Do I take the rational one, the skeptical one that might be based in truth, which by the way leads to a path where there's a darn good chance I get fired, especially if I turn out to be wrong. Or do I go along with the herd? And do I go with the safety of the herd? And we see this all the time now. The herd provides protection for these people in the media. No one will go outside the herd because they're all terrified of getting run over. Frankly, no one wants to be John Ziegler.

And I understand that. Trust me. I fully understand that. But, but, but, but, but, but, but, you know, But this is not conducive to truth-telling because the herd provides a group mentality and no one asks questions like you just did. And the herd is going over the cliff. John Ziegler, thank you so much. Zygman Freud, you can follow him on Twitter or free speech broadcasting.com. Back in a minute. This is the best of a Glenn Beck program. Yesterday on this program, I had really a legend, Bob Woodson,

He is the founder and president of the Woodson Center. In 1981, he was one of the first guys to go into low-income neighborhoods and address the problems of communities. Former civil rights activists headed the National Urban League Department of Criminal Justice, been a resident at the American Enterprise Foundation for Public Policy Research. A lot of people refer to him as the godfather of neighborhood empowerment movement. and he has had a special concern for the problems of the youth and the problems that really affect the urban centers of America. Welcome to the program, Bob. How are you? Oh, great to be here again. Great to be here.

Well, I'm glad to have you. Bob, you wrote something this was in the Hill a year ago. wrote, as we marked the first anniversary of the violent protest and counter-protests in Charlottesville, Virginia, that resulted in the deaths of a woman and two police officers were in no better place with respect to race and injustice in our country.

The issue of race is being used as a political weapon on both sides and is fueling the growing divide that threatens to descend us into tribalism. The same forces involved in Charlottesville riots are angling for a rematch in D.C. We have

fascists on the right who claim to represent disaffected white people. We have anarchists on the left who purport to speak for the marginalized minorities and the poor. They are, they ready themselves to battle it out again with the only outcome of being more racial strife and calls to remove the symbols of Southern resistance by taking down statues of generals and renaming schools and streets,

trying to write the wrongs of the past by killing the dead. That was last year. How do you feel today, Bob? I feel that it has really gotten worse. As I said, it's troubling that, as you said, all that money is being funneled into groups whose sole purpose is really to destroy civil society. And I think they're Marxist. But what's really troubling is, again, low-income black communities are being really exploited

and yet the civil rights leaders, including members of the Black Caucus, are just silent. You don't hear about them. And so it is very troubling. But again, the people who are going to suffer most are the very people that Black Large Matter said they're trying to promote social justice

and they're also assigning responsibility. They're using the failed policy of the last 50 years, poor blacks have suffered because of the policies of the last 50 years, but now they're assigning responsibility to institutional racism, which means that we don't have to examine what were those black politicians doing for the last 50 years who have been running these programs in these cities and spending the bulk of that $22 trillion that have been spent. If you look, Glenn, at the income gap, the biggest income gap in America isn't between black and whites. It's between low-income blacks and upper-income blacks.

And so if racism were the single culprit, the question is, why aren't all blacks suffering equally? And so we have an unfortunate situation that poor blacks are suffering, not from institutional racism, but institutional betrayal by those that they were. trusted to put in office. I was a member of that, you know, I was in the civil rights movement, and we fought, we are saying, give us a chance to run these programs in these cities, and we will do right by our own people. And like they said, when we went in to clean up that cesspool, as soon as they got honored, it became a hot tub. and so we have an unfortunate situation where we've commoditized the poor and so there are a commodity that's why they're stuck on the way they are

so bob did this for instance black lives matter at the top of all of these that are really funding and doing all the legwork it appears it's a lot of white people. Is this coming from the African-American community, or is this coming from a group of white Marxists who are just seizing an opportunity and using the black community in a despicable way? They are really using them. In fact, the first,

two days in most of these cities of protest against Floyd, George Floyd. They were peaceful. These are young people that have been housed for months and they came out to process. But then what happened is that

in most cases, people came in from out of town and then as soon as it got dark, they began to break windows. And in fact, they exploited the passion of these young people. And it was primarily white people. You have instances where a well-dressed white couple drove into the community in the back of their car that had bricks.

But it was a neighborhood-level black woman who cussed them out and forced them to leave and flee. And there are hundreds of these indigenous leaders who are indignant about the destruction of their own community, but they don't have a voice. And so 1776, we're trying to give a voice to those blacks who are voices of. of dissent in these communities, Glenn, and they're there. But the only attention goes to those white supposed to be supporters. If you look at what institutions are flying Black Lives Matters, they're not black churches in black communities. They're white churches flying to Black Lodge.

Just ride around in any city, you will see Black Lives Matters flag on white churches, not on black churches. So, Bob, let me stay on Black Lives Matter for just a second. And then I want to come back to 1776 and the voices that you are gathering. Black Lives Matter, the founder of BET said yesterday, and this is a prediction of mine, that they are going to become a political party. And yesterday, the founder of BET came out and said, we should get rid of the Democratic Party. should get out of that and there should be a black party and you know BLM is probably the the

best solution for that this to me seems like the biggest con of all time you're going from one party that just has abused you used you and lied to you now to another one that is even worse for your community and and I don't think it's going to sell. Well, first of all, I know it won't. You see, what Black Lives Matter did, it traded on the moral authority of the civil rights movement, and the Civil Rights Movement and the Civil Rights Movement in Black America achieved in America against the odds because of the nuclear family, the strength of the family, and its Christian virtues and values. And so, Black Lives Matter used that moral authority, and then, but they shifted to define fairness

and justice to now shift it to so that it is even hostile to the black values. It is, it is not pro-family. It defines the nuclear family as Eurocentric and therefore racist. It defines the Christian religion as homophobic. And so it is even hostile to the forces. But doing the, the, the, uh, the depression when the, uh, when the communist, to make inroads into the black community, and they were unsuccessful because they were anti-God. And I think that there are strong religious tenets in their community, and BLM will also fail because of their hostility to values that are very critical to the survival of black America's we're not too far from understanding what really delivered us from oppression.

I think that the large matter underestimates that. I think that is the best news I heard because I think the white community is a long way away from understanding what got us here in a good way. Bob Woodson, we continue with you in just a second. First, let me tell you about our sponsor. It's real estate agents. I trust. when you get a great real estate agent, how do you know?

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You said, Bob, those suffering the problem must be involved in the creation and implementation of the solution. I believe that it is going to be the African American community that will save America in the end. If we learn from the first civil rights movement and a Martin Luther King appears, do you see those people on the horizon? and do you see people who really love the country, understand the principles,

understand the problems, and have the courage to stand in this atmosphere? You know, people who have suffered directly the consequences of their own misdeeds, and when they recover from it, nothing is stronger than someone who's in recovery from a self-destructive condition. But the big sleeping giant in America

are the thousands and millions of low-income blacks who know over the past 60 years that their condition has suffered under the control of their own politicians. These people are betrayers, and they're going to wake up and realize that they're being exploited and used. And so what we've been doing is going around and demonstrating to people that their destiny is determined by decisions that they make, not by decisions that are outside.

And in fact, there's nothing more injurious to people when you convey the notion that they don't have control of their own destiny that somehow white America has to be a future. Yes. Bob Woodson from 1776 Unites with an S.com. More with him in a minute.