The Glenn Beck Program - Best of The Program | Guests: Ken Paxton & Dr. Karlyn Borysenko | 5/7/20

Episode Date: May 7, 2020

Author and organizational psychologist Dr. Karlyn Borysenko explains what the media on both sides have gotten wrong about the controversial Michigan protests. Jailed Dallas salon owner Shelley Luther has received massive support from citizens and Texas officials, including Governor Greg Abbott and Attorney General Ken Paxton. AG Paxton joins to argue why he believes Luther should be released and discuss the measures Texas is taking to ensure citizens keep their rights. Head researcher Jason Buttrill lays out the facts in the story of a failed plot to capture Venezuelan dictator Nicolas Maduro. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Welcome to the podcast in such a wonderful soothing time. We find out that the writer of the series Black Mirror says he can't write anymore because we're just already living Black Mirror. It's too real and we can't really do anymore. That's terrifying. We found out the truth behind some of the Michigan protests actually misrepresented by the media who would have believed it. Brad Meltzer joins us to kind of give us some historical perspective. Ken Paxson is the is the, uh, is the, uh, uh, uh, Attorney General of Texas, and he's on to talk about the jailing of a Dallas salon owner.

That one had a major development basically during the interview. We talked to a couple of other people who were trying to keep their businesses open around the country. And was there a coup attempt in Venezuela like this past week? Seems like there was. We get the details from Jason Butchrell. Make sure you subscribe to blazTV.com slash Glenn. Use the promo code Glenn. Get 30 bucks off.

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just go to youtube.com and search for stew i'll be the first one there here's the podcast you're listening to the best of the glenbeck program this is the glenbeck program so yesterday i get a phone call from somebody on my staff

and they said uh glen uh you remember uh caroline uh... Borsenko and I said, yes, and she the woman from like New Hampshire. She's the, the Zen psychologist. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right. She was the one who went to the, she was a lefty and she went to a Trump rally because she didn't like being told, you know, what to do.

And she wanted to conquer her fear and everything else. And she found out that, wow, Trump people are really nice. It's not like what everybody is saying that they are. She's got a really, really great open mind. When I talked to her on the air, I said, I think, I don't think you're, I think you're actually joining our side. I think you're come to the dock side. And we laughed about it. And so I thought, why is she calling?

She was calling because of what I said yesterday, apparently on the air about the Michigan rally. And I was warning people, please know that we are an image-driven society. Please, if you're carrying something. if you're, that's why my things I've always said, please no signs, no signs, because the media will just latch on to one image and then it's over. You have to be careful. Don't drive, you know, up to these things with a firearm. Just you have the right to do it. Yes, you do. But the media will latch on to those things and it will hurt you in the long run. So just be careful. So when I got that call, I thought, okay, Carolyn, Ah, she didn't come to the dark side. She's back to her dark side. No, not so much. She actually wanted to correct me and make sure that I knew that these were really good people at these protests.

Carolyn, welcome to the program. Hi, Glenn. Thank you. And it's Carlin, like George Carlin. Oh, Carlin. I'm sorry, sorry, sorry, Carlin. So do I have the story right? Yeah, essentially.

So I ended up speaking to the organizers of the Michigan protest the other day on my YouTube channel just because I was fascinated with the whole thing. And we had a great conversation and then just comparing what they said to what was in the media. There are some discrepancies. I love you. I absolutely love you. I really do. I think you're amazing. Okay.

So what are the discrepancies? I know of one, the guy who was, the guy who has, he's kind of balding and he's got a big beard and he was photographed and it looks like he's yelling at the police. But actually, he's not yelling at the police. Is that right? He's not yelling at the police at all. He's yelling past the police because they're yelling into the room where the vote was taking place. And the entire goal of this rally was to make sure the legislature in Michigan voted not to be able to, not to extend the governor's executive's order. That was the whole goal. And so they were yelling at them as they were taking the vote to vote now.

And that's not the way it was spun. Okay. So you say that there, you say that there are the things that maybe I or other conservatives are doing that is, we have wrong. So talk to the conservatives that and me that may have it wrong. Go ahead. Yeah. The biggest thing is that the entire rally was coordinated with law enforcement from the very beginning. So there's this perception that the police were put in danger, law enforcement was put in danger, that's absolutely untrue. The organizers of the rally coordinated with law enforcement literally every step of the way, leading up to the rally the day before the rally, during the rally, they coordinated with

law enforcement to make sure there was a specific path kept open for the hospital in case people needed to get there. Permits were issued when they went into the Capitol building, their temperatures were taken. It was all very orderly. The militia folks that were there. the ones with the big guns, which I agree is not the best, the best photo in the world, but there are other photos that show that the police were actually like hanging out with the

militia guys and smiling. So there wasn't an adversarial relationship. Everyone was working together. So, so, Carlin, I want you to know that I don't believe there is an adversarial relationship with the police. I know these kinds of people. I've been doing this for a long time. I know these kinds of people.

what I learned from Martin Luther King that love is always the answer. That's great. These people are loving people, for the most part. I mean, there's creeps in every crowd. But these are families. These are regular Americans that believe in good things and yada, yada, yada. But what I'm always concerned about is the other thing I learned from Martin Luther King, it is an image that will destroy you.

It is one photograph that will destroy you. you. It's the dogs barking with really peaceful black people walking down the street that turned America's head because there was no way to position that. So I'm just concerned about the images. King was very disciplined. And it's hard with libertarians to say, okay, guys, we've got to organize and have a set of rules. It's like hurting cats can't be done. But we have to have discipline to make sure, because we know how dishonest the press is. We know how images will be used against us, because it's been done before. And I agree with everything that you just said, but I guess I'm going to push back a little

and say, at what point does the media have some responsibility? And I'm talking to the conservative media now to make sure they are telling the full and accurate story of what happened to push back against some of these misconceptions, because I'm just a random person on the Internet. And I was able to tell this. And so you guys have some responsibility as well. I agree. Carla,

I absolutely agree with you. And if I have let the audience down on that, I apologize and we will double our effort on it. But I will tell you that listening to you talk, you will not be able to relate to this. I have waited for you. I was just listening to you give that first point. And I thought to myself with a smile on my face. and I thought, I have waited for someone like her for 15 years. I have waited for, I really have, Carlin, I really have.

And so has this audience. You are somebody who is, you're not in lockstep with everything that I say or whatever. You've come from the left and you just, you just want the truth. We're not talking politics. You just want the truth. your voice, until they discredit you, your voice brings a hope and an awful lot of credibility because this is not your horse. And so some of us have been beaten down by the press for so long and destroyed.

We have to, we want to make sure we're Uber, Uber careful because we're on the front line of being, you will be soon, but we're on the front line of being. attacked and we've learned our lesson in the past that doesn't mean we've given up the fight by any chance or any stretch of the imagination we're just more cautious on things because we know how fast one mistake will just absolutely destroy you oh I absolutely yeah it does I mean and it's certainly a conversation I've had with so many conservatives over the past several months and you know it's something that I that I hear and listen I'm I'm fully willing to step up and be

be a truth teller in this scenario, but I simply hope that I'm not the only one that's telling the story of the regular Joe that organize this rally because they wanted to do the right thing. Yeah, you're absolutely not. We have reached out to many of the organizers in different states. I've got four people on today that are going to tell their story about what's going on. So you're not alone. Make sure you know that. And if you ever feel alone, you call me. I want you, My staff will give you, I don't have a phone, so they'll give you a way to contact me personally. They'll give you my private email address so you can contact me directly because you're not alone. You give me a lot of hope.

All right. So the next thing that you think needs to be corrected. Well, the law enforcement was a big one. Oh, another thing that I haven't heard talk about is that there were literally zero warnings from law enforcement issued at this entire rally. there was only one arrest that was made and Glenn, do you want to guess what the one arrest was at this rally? Want to guess who it was?

Uh, no. Go ahead. Anifah. It was a Democrat. It was a Democrat. It was protesting. And what were they arrested for? What were they arrested for? They were kicking people at the rally.

Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh. Was that even reported anywhere? I don't. I don't. believe it was, but it's on my YouTube channel in the interview that I did with them. Another thing is the elected representatives, as they were taking the vote, they were actually in communication with the people at the rally. They were like texting back and forth because a guy at the rally knew

the Senate Majority Leader. And so the people inside, I mean, I've seen these tweets come out, basically saying, oh, we were so scared of these people. They knew what was going on. They were coordinating and talking back and forth the whole time. And so I have a really hard time believing that anyone was actually scared. Carlin, I love you. I do. I just can't thank you enough for just being interested in the truth and being brave enough to take on your own circle. I mean, nobody wants to be a pariah. Nobody wants to have to recheck everything that they thought they believed in. It's a scary thing. But everyone should do that on both sides. And you're just a great. example just a great example for so many people thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you you need anything you call me around my house we've been cooking a lot more these days and dad's behind the grill it's a great way to stay close as a family

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of the Dallas salon owner. Her name is Shelley Luther. And she went back to work because, well, let's play the audio of her before the judge what, yesterday or the day before. Here's what she said to the judge after he said, I'm going to punish you at jail unless you apologize and close your shop. Here's her response.

Judge, I would like to say that I have much respect for this court and loss and that I've never been in this position before. And it's not some place that I want to be. But I have to disagree with you, sir, when you say that I'm selfish because feeding my kids. is not selfish. I have hairstylists that are going hungry because they'd rather feed their kids. So, sir, if you think the law is more important than kids getting fed, then please go ahead with your decision,

but I am not going to shut the salon. This is a civil rights moment. This is a new civil rights movement. These are unelected officials making dictates. and, you know, there's one thing to say, hey, we really recommend this and we really want you to do this. And another with giving you either, as they're doing now in California, they're not putting you in jail. They're giving you absolutely crippling fines or taking away your business license. So you're done.

You're just out. There's no place to go. So Ken Paxton, who is the Attorney General of the great state of Texas, yesterday came out. came out and he was, I'd say, pretty darn strong on his stance. He put out a letter along with Greg Abbott and basically took the judge and what's going on apart. We have Ken Paxton on with us now, the Attorney General of the great state of Texas and a friend. Hello, Ken. How are you? Hey, Glenn, I'm doing well. How are you?

I'm very good. All right. I'm glad to hear. When I saw your tweet yesterday, I was so happy to hear that you were on the side of common sense. Tell me your stance because you're now getting heat from judges. So tell me what you said yesterday about this whole thing. I just said, you know, this is ridiculous. It's outrageous that a woman who went out to work, who needs an income, was put in jail.

And I understand there are orders relating to this and maybe consequences that, you know, happen to people. But putting someone in jail, especially in light of Dallas County releasing or wanting to release, you know, criminals who have been convicted because they're afraid they're going to get corona. And now you're putting a woman in a jail where she could get Corona. So it makes no sense to me. You wrote, the trial judge did not need to lock up Shelly Luther. His order is shameful abuse of judicial discretion, which seems like another. political stunt in Dallas. He should release her immediately. I hope he'll listen to that. I hope that he'll come to his senses. I think that these judges

are all banding together in Dallas County to criticize my statements. But look, this is a, I mean, this is just a regular citizen. She did not, she didn't go out and shoplift in Dallas, which is not a crime there, apparently. And she hasn't committed any kind of crime. So I don't, I do not think she should be in prison. Ken, where do we, the governor is in just a heck of a spot. And I know Greg Abbott and I respect him. So I give him a lot of room here, mainly because I would not want to be in his position. He loses either way.

If he does nothing, he loses. If he does too much, he loses. For some people, if he does anything, he loses. so there's no place for him to go. How do we balance this? I mean, me and a lot of other people think the governors and the president and the mayors should come out and say, look, these are the scientific facts. You need to stay home.

We're not going to throw anybody in jail, but you need to stay home. Please, let's do this together. Otherwise, if you make it an edict, you're violating. all of my civil rights. Yeah, I think you make a really good point. One, we don't have like a model to look at. We haven't been through this before. There's nobody that knows how to do it right.

And everybody, there's not a single governor, whether they have good motors, bad mothers, who's going to get this 100% right and get the balance between protecting health and safety versus protecting people's ability to make a living and what impact that has on their lives. And so I think we should do the least amount that we can do to protect people's lives. And so I think the governor's, you know, he's struggling with that balance and he's trying to get there.

And, you know, we're going to, I think, be one of the faster states that moves towards opening up and letting people work. And let it be individual decisions about, because I think people are educated now. They know they've been sufficiently scared about the coronavirus. And I think they should now be making their own decisions about what really. they want to take based on their own health situation and their age and their responsible for themselves you know i use this example uh i use this example last hour uh that uh my church moved to close down services before any state or government did anything they said we're going to cancel all services you know do your services at home blah blah blah and they they pass that now in

Illinois, the governor is saying, you may not go to church for the next year. We may close churches down. Well, wait a minute. I think this is a, I mean, churches are responsible for their flock. And, you know, there are some crazy people out there, but there's, there's, you know, churches that will say, we're going to do services, limited to this, or we're not going to do services. And then each individual should be allowed to choose from there. Where does the state get its power to do these things? I don't think they have the power. If you'll notice in Texas, we never said that. And Governor Abbott put churches as an essential business with the list that the federal

government had given us. There were 16 essential businesses, and he added this one, and I think rightfully so. There are special protections for First Amendment under the Constitution. And so you can't go and restrict churches the way you can restrict other things. And so I think we've made the right call. And I think in the end, look, people need help. There's a lot of people that are suffering right now because they've lost their jobs and they've gone through difficult times, health situations, and they're going to need spiritual leaders in their lives. And so we don't need to be telling from a state position or any government saying you can't meet.

And I know other states have done that. Kentucky, the governor there was taking down license plates of people at church, you know, apparently wanting to record that information to somehow use it against them. That's just not right. I have to ask you a question. Greg Abbott just tweeted, throwing Texans in jail, whose business is shut down through no fault of their own is wrong. I'm eliminating jail for violating an order retroactive to April 2nd, superseding all local orders.

Criminals shouldn't be released to prevent COVID-19 just to put business owners in their place. Your reaction. God bless Greg Abbott. That was a great move on his part. I think he saw what happened to Shelley Luther, and he's responded in a responsible, appropriate way. And I say, God bless Greg Abbott. And please, I beg this judge, let this woman out of jail.

She should not be there. This judge, Ken, you said it in your tweet yesterday. I think the guy is, I think the guy's ego was bruised by her when he said, you know, that she had, what was it maligned or something ridiculous about you defiled his order

defiled his order by tearing it in half and demanded an apology this is absolutely out of control I agree with you I think it got personal for him and I think he

took it personally and that's why he reacted by overreacted by instead of just merely giving her a fine and I don't think anybody would have said anything about that whether they agree, you know, people might have disagreed, but not to the extent of putting a woman in

jail who's just trying to do her job. So let me ask you on Greg's, on the governor's order here, you responded by saying, please, judge, please do this. Does the governor have the right to say, I'm canceling all of all of these convictions and they're to be released? Or does, Do the judges have to agree with them? How is this going to work? So it's going to be interesting. So, yes, the governor's order supersedes any county order that would be different than what he just ordered. The question here is it wasn't the county or state or the city that really put her in jail.

It was a judge. And it was a contempt order. So I don't know. My guess is that the judge could still keep her in jail, despite the fact that now, you know, retroactive. believe that everything has been wiped out. And what? He also had an order earlier this week that opened up haircuts starting tomorrow. So, you know, potentially she could still be sitting in jail despite the fact that there's

nothing wrong with it now. All of the penalties of being in jail have been wiped out both across the state and this judge might still keep her in jail. I hope he doesn't do that. Everything has been taken away. There's nothing wrong with what she's done. Let's go. Let's let her out.

All right. One last question. as a business owner myself, I am looking for someone to give us some sort of protection from litigation because they're already, I think, 2,400 cases against businesses, et cetera, all across the country on coronavirus. And if somebody walks into my place of business and they get sick, am I going to get sued? Are you guys thinking at all of any protection or giving us any kind of release from liability

if we're opening up our stores and we're being responsible? Well, so that is completely controlled by the Texas legislature. The governor can't really stop lawsuits. Even with an executive order, it would expire. You know, he can't, he can't, after the coronavirus is no longer a threat. he wouldn't have the same authority. So it had to be the Texas legislature, which meets in January. And they could, I believe, they could just retroactively end these lawsuits.

Do you think that that is worth calling a special session for? I mean, it's an emergency. I mean, honestly, my business partner is like, I'm not opening up these studios until I have something I can point to and say, well, no, they said we could go back to work if we did these. things you know and I don't know when you're going to tell regular businesses you can open back up and everybody can come back to work you know we're we're we actually have no one in our studios right now of 80,000 square feet I mean I was in the middle of construction of remodeling I not even I can't even bring the construction workers in because I'm afraid that one person who's an emergency

person who's on the other side of the building could get sick and it would just it would destroy us what do we do I think you, I think that's certainly something that the governor should consider. It's definitely a challenging issue for businesses to not have some security as it relates to this issue. And you know, there will be lawsuits filed. So, you know, I don't know. I'm going to be. Thinking about this, I don't know whether he's going to call a special session before January.

It's 100% the governor's call. And I just have no idea whether he's going to do that. would you be willing to pass that on to him for us? Because I know a lot of business people that are in the same boat. We want to open back up and we will be responsible. We just need some indication from the governor that it's going to be okay. You go back to work now. We need somebody to say that.

So we're not there all on our own waiting for just dogs of litigation to devour us. Absolutely. I will communicate that message today. I think that that's a good message for him. I'm sure he's already heard it, but for him to hear. I'm sure he is. So, yeah, happy to do that. Ken, thank you very much.

I appreciate it. This is some really good news. And thank you for your leadership and keeping us out of just really nasty things. Thank you so much. This is the best of the Glenn Beck program. This is the Glenn Beck program. We're so glad you're here. Years ago, I hired somebody to be our military and global affairs research.

and writer. His name is Jason Buttrill and he is he's an amazing guy. He has been now named our head writer and chief researcher on all things. He's responsible for a lot of what we

expose on any of our specials on Wednesday night. I've asked him to look into this Venezuela operation and he joins us now. Hi Jason. How are you? Hey, Glenn, doing good. Thanks for having me. So this story here on Venezuela is amazing. And they have just now trotted one of these former, I think, Green Berets or special forces members out in front of television in Venezuela.

And I'll ask you to tell me about them here in just a second. But he was arrested in Venezuela and admitted. to a plot to capture President Maduro. He said that he and six Venezuelan mercenaries, along with another American, were commanded by Donald Trump to go in kidnap Maduro. That doesn't sound like a very good plan, if indeed is true.

Yeah. Do you believe it came from the White House in any way, shape, or form? Absolutely not. And I think that's the best way to or the best jumping off point to look at this story because I've looked into this story. I've actually reached out to people that were, I don't want to say involved and I'm going to be very careful to keep their identities hidden. But they were, they did go to the training camps, which were in Columbia. They did help initially in some of the training. But one of the reasons why they backed out was because they said that there was no support from any government whatsoever.

There was no support from the transition government with Gallardo and Venezuela, and there was definitely no U.S. government support. And that caused many people to say, look, I don't want to have anything to do with this. So they went down, the people you spoke to went down and were part of this training early on and then figured it out and went, this is crazy. Yeah, I mean, they reported, they reported, you know, malnourished soldiers on the ground. They reported a lack of weapons. They reported a low amount of actual soldiers that could pull this off. So the people that were involved were, you know, to be pretty bluntly, known drug traffickers. In fact, the head, his name is Alcala, was a general under Chavez.

And he's been a dissident. He separated from the Maduro military. He was involved in the get-go from a lot of the armed uprisings. We saw back in April of last year. he is now in a U.S. prison because he was involved with Chavez to smuggle cocaine up into the United States. These are the people that were involved here. So who was paying for it? Was he involved in paying for it?

Very good question because the American contractor that kind of set everything up, the former special Green Beret, Jordan Gujarro, he said that initially they had the Venezuelan transition government on board. they promised to pay them money, but the money never showed up. Now, there's been a lot of people trying to follow the money trail. There's been multiple millionaires, billionaires, some of them in the United States, who initially sounded like they were giving some money. But it pretty much sounds like once they figured out the scope of this, that they actually were going to do an invasion with 300 men, Glenn.

The Venezuelan army has over 140,000. Now, they had 300 men. 300. I mean, you know, that's, isn't that that famous movie, 300 and that famous story from what, Troy, 300 men? So, yeah, it is crazy. Now, Maduro is taking this guy and he is just spilling his guts, but he's saying that a company called Silver Corp was involved in this. What is Silver Corp? So Civil Corp is Jordan Goodrose, the former Green Beret. It's his company. If you look on it, it looks like a lot of the contractor, shady contractor type websites. There's really no way to get in contact with them.

They just show them doing pictures of cool stuff, you know, wearing earpieces or, you know, running around with their shirts off up mountains and stuff and saying they can provide. So it's like a Blackwater wannabe. Exactly. Less legit. So like Blackwater, the way they would operate is they would get. the government contract that's fully sponsored by the U.S. government and they would go do something. That's the first way you can do those things. The second is you get full support from the host nation. Some contractors do that. This guy went option C, which was none of the above. We're just going to

say screw it. You have a bunch of guys and go in. Yeah. And their plan was to go take the airport. I mean, this guy describes it on television in Venezuela, that my job was to take the airport and secure him to take the airport and secure the perimeter. What was their plan beyond that? So from what I can tell, what they expected was they're claiming to have larger support within Venezuela. Now, that very well could be true. But I guess really to fully understand it, we've got to go back to April of 2019.

April 2019, I don't know if you remember, but that's when, you know, there was an actual like kind of turn in some of the soldiers. There was that big uprising at one of the military bases. Gallardo kind of emerged at that point. The U.S. government said, okay, we support this guy. And we thought more military were going to start flipping. Well, that failed. When that failed, I always wondered what happened to those guys?

Where'd they go? Well, they went to Columbia. And this story continues as all coup stories happen in a Marriott in Bogota, Columbia. Don't all coup stories. Of course they do. I don't know who is doing this. Yes, yes, yes, they always do. So that's when all of these guys are clean.

They have a Bible. In the in the in the bedside and so it's you know I mean even revolutionaries want a nice place to stay. So what happens to this guy? I mean, first of all, he is claiming on television that he got his orders direct from Donald Trump, which is laughable. I mean, there's no Donald Trump, if he's going to go in, he's going in. He's not going in with this guy. Yeah. No, this is dumb.

Nobody would support this plan. His claims are absolutely false, which we've verified ourselves. I don't know what happens to him. Pompeo said yesterday that the U.S. government was going to do what they could to try and get them back. But I personally don't think that they're going to be able to do anything. We've already got sanctions on them. We're not going to push this too far because it wasn't sanctioned.

And then we don't want to make it look like it was sanctioned. Wait, wait, wait, wait, yeah. Why would we want these guys back? I mean, you know, if I go into another country and I, I break the law, I have to pay the price in that the United States government is not going to come and save me. You know, I have to pay the fine or go to jail or whatever it is. These guys were going in to foment a revolution and a coup. And while I agree with the goal, I didn't, why are we saving them? That's true. We'll come down directly to that. And, you know, these were big boys. They

knew what they were doing. This is awful. The situation is awful. I think the official numbers are around nine men died, including the Americans that were captured. They're alive. But it was a tragedy. And, you know, this kind of all, this really all falls on Jordan Goodrow, the guy that, you know, started this. It was his plan. He was in command of these guys. He convinced them to go. Jordan Goodro, if he's even listening to this, you need to go offer yourself. You need to go say, hey look, I offer myself, let my men go, because this is all on his shoulders. A 300 troop plan to topple a government is absolutely ridiculous. It's all on his shoulders.

He needs to trade himself for his men and get them out of there. Well, you know how ridiculous this charge is when the media, who has tried to pin everything on Donald Trump. I mean everything. When the media is not running with this as an attempted coup, you know, it would be very damaging. if it were a coup that Donald Trump had done, if it was a, you know, a RAN contra kind of thing, but it's so clearly not that even the mainstream media is not running with that narrative.

Now, this is basically like, I don't know, this is more like Bay of Pigs if the Apple Dumpling gang grabbed the local crime lord and said, hey, let's go and bait a country or something like that. And the way they tied in Donald Trump said, look, this guy would like did security with Trump, And they pull all these screenshots of him providing security at a lot of Trump rallies. Hey, I'm sorry, but probably every contractor in America when they're not overseas has provided security for President Trump at one of his rallies.

So that's easy to find. There's no, absolutely no connection between this guy and Donald Trump, besides the fact that he knew Trump's former bodyguard and used that connection to become, you know, to do security at some of these. That is it. That's all. unbelievable thank you very much jason i appreciate it and keep us up to speed on this because i i find this story fascinating just fascinating i was watching this this you know hostage video if you will where he is he's saying all these things and i thought to myself i haven't seen this i think since the cold war i haven't seen anything like this i mean uh it's it's just bizarre just bizarre any idea

how he's probably being treated or why he's saying these things? Is he being tortured or is this just him just, I don't know, trying to get preferential treatment? Well, he's been given the same treatment I've been given and he's probably tapping into that as Sear Survival of Asian Resistance Escape and what he's doing right now is delaying as long as possible. So he'll give out information. It sounds bad that he's admitting to things, but he's doing what he has to do in order to

save to stall for time so that he can survive. So that's what he's doing right now. He's giving them little bits of information. He's giving them little bits of little victories for them so he can get small victories for himself. Maybe I shouldn't be saying a lot of this before I get in trouble. And I get a knock on the door from a guy in a black suit. But he's doing exactly what he needs to do to stall for time. Right.

And we've seen this happen before. And our military always knows about what these guys are doing. Unfortunately, this guy is out on his own. I would be for rescuing people. If our president or our Pentagon was behind it and it was a failed deal, we have a responsibility to that individual to go save them. But not if you're doing this on your own. Not if you're doing it on your own. And it's a totally different story.

So thank you very much, Jason. I appreciate it.