The Glenn Beck Program - Best of The Program | Guests: Matt Walsh & Joe Green | 6/5/20

Episode Date: June 5, 2020

“Church of Cowards” author Matt Walsh joins to tell the story of a white man named Tony Timpa, who died in a very similar way to George Floyd. So why haven’t we heard of him? Glenn looks into how police brutality is unacceptable and on the rise for all races. Store owner Joe Green armed himself to protect his store from looters and joins to tell the story. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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of thousands to protest and riot? Also, Glenn spends an hour listening to you to find out how you're doing during these crazy times. We discuss Drew Brie's second apology video after he was attacked for standing up with something he believes in. According to the Hill, it looks like, this is going to surprise you too. Looks like Antifa is the group to blame for the violent riots across the country? And also, Glenn speaks with Joe Green, who's a business owner and stood his ground, during the riots by trying to defend his business. All of that and lots more coming up on the podcast.

You're listening to The Best of the Glenn Beck Program. This is the Glenn Beck program from the Standing Rock Ranch in God's Country. Welcome to the program. Mr. Matt Walsh. He's the author of The Church of Cowards. Also the host of the Matt Walsh show. Matt, welcome. Hey, Glenn, thanks for having me. You bet.

You know, I want to, I know we were going to talk about Tony Timpa, and we will, because it's really important what you've exposed here. But I just want to ask you, as I think this is a very relevant question, and your book handles this well. What do you mean by the Church of Cowards? Well, I mean, you know, when we look around at the church in the country today, I think it's pretty clear to most Christians that, you know, it's a church infected by not just cowardice. but I think complacency, you know, people's spiritual complacency, where we're just sort of floating along on the tide of the culture. And, of course, I wrote this book before the lockdowns and everything else happened, but everything that we've seen in the last few months is only, unfortunately,

I think, sort of proven my point, especially as citizens have been shut down, and so many of us as Christians have just sort of gone along with that, as our First Amendment rights were totally obliterated on a basis that, that, by the way, has now been exposed as a total sham, because, of course, they've thrown all that to the side for the protest. So, unfortunately, I hate to say, you know, I like, I've been proven right by this, but I think I have been. So, Matt, what do you draw from, from this? We were just talking about it. I mean, this is the Reichstag fire now. And just like the Reichstag fire, it may have been started by communists. It may have just been taken advantage. of or it could have been started by the Nazis.

You don't really know for sure. And I think what's coming our way is a large part, part and parcel with the COVID-19 lockdowns. You would not have been able to have this kind of unrest without 20% unemployment. And you could make the case, I think, pretty easily, that this was either planned or it was just used. and then they hatched a plan along the way. I mean, I don't think we'll ever really know. Do you have an opinion on this? Yeah, I think it's a combination of factors.

I think obviously it cannot be a coincidence that we're seeing this kind of mass unrest three months into these lockdowns. I don't think that's a coincidence. We know Antifa's involvement. So there's a combination of factors. But I also think we should keep in mind that we shouldn't forget that there have been riots and mass looting and violence at BLM protests for years now.

I mean, before Antifa was as prominent as it is now, have we forgotten Ferguson, Baltimore? We've forgotten Dallas, where five police officers were executed at a BLM protest. So there's a weird thing that I've noticed among some conservative commentators where it seems like they're trying to absolve the BLM of any guilt and put this all on Antifa and say, well, they're coming in and doing the rioting and looting. I know that they're partially responsible, but why are we pretending that Black Lives Matter has not also been a violent movement from its inception from day one.

I don't know why we're pretending that. Well, I guess I do know why. I'm not being, I'm being intentionally naive. But we should not pretend that because it is a violent movement, in my opinion. I will tell you, Matt, that was the same thought I had yesterday. I was watching the stuff. And I thought, we are just, we're cleansing. As a society, we're cleansing BLM.

And we're saying, well, they're not Antifa. Well, yeah, they are. Yeah, they are. Their goals are much the same as Antifa, and their actions are much the same. One more thing on the Christian community, the black box, which I refuse to tweet or anything else, this black box movement, it was tweeted out by so many people who were not just church members, but church leaders were going ahead with the black box movement on this last Tuesday. If you go to the Black Box movement website, they provide education for you, one of which is the 1619 project, which is thoroughly discredited.

A horrible, horrible look at history makes our founders, our pilgrims into nothing but racists. Where do we go for truth? if our own pastors and preachers can't find truth? Yeah, I think there's obviously a lot of empty virtue signaling that goes on. I think also people are, you know, of course they're afraid of being called racist. I mean, I've heard from many conservatives, you know, some prominent commentators and others saying that, yeah, well, I condemn the violence and writing, of course, everything, blah, blah, blah. But the message of the protests I agree with.

I mean, I support the message. I support the message. Well, do you really? Because look at what, go to Black Lives Matter website and look at what they're saying, about America and what they stand for. You support that now as a conservative. They're saying America is a white supremacist's country that cops are out hunting for black people to kill.

They're not, they don't defend or save black lives at all. They just kill black people. You know, we're a country infected by the virus of white supremacy, and white supremacists are killing black people every day. This is what black lives matter is saying, and you've got conservatives now saying, oh, yeah, I support that part of it. What do you mean you support that? I thought we're supposed to be standing against this kind of nonsense.

We better stand against it. Well, no, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, let me, let me make sure that I understand you, and we're on the same page, because I support the criminal prosecution of the police officer who killed George Floyd. George Floyd's not a hero. He's not a murderer. He was a very bad guy. He should have been a criminal that went to jail. Should not have been somebody who was killed by a police officer. So I separate this with the police.

officer, I want to see him go to jail. And that part, I support. And I want to see that all of, you know, all of our cops are as clean as possible that they can be. I support that. But I don't support Black Lives Matter. I don't support what they want. And I don't support the so-called protesters because when I listen to the interviews for them, they're saying either burn the entire thing down or I deserve this so I'm going to take it.

Neither of those do I agree with. Yeah, well, and I think you're exactly right. Yes, I also agree with the officer that killed George Floyd. Everybody agrees with that. Everyone agrees with that. They arrested the officer. I mean, there's really not much else to be said about it. We were all on the same page, and that's how we know.

It's a very rare time where we are this, where we're this lockstep in United in America. we had about one day where everyone was united in America. Everybody said, oh, yeah, this is horrible. And then all of a sudden, we were made to believe like we would disagree with each other. Yeah, and usually, that's the thing with a protest. Usually you've got one side insisting on something, and there are people disagreeing, which is why you need to protest. But if the protesters are saying, prosecute the killer, justice for George Floyd,

and everybody in America is like, yeah, I agree, totally, let's do that. Well, if that's all you wanted to accomplish, then you would put your signs down and go home. It's like as a pro-life protesters, I mean, we're out saying abolish abortion. If the whole country said, yeah, let's do it, then we would say, great. And we would put our signs home and go home,

and we would celebrate and say we won. So that's how we know that it's not just about George Floyd, because they're still out there, obviously. They want more than just justice for George Floyd. And if you want to know what else they want, well, we just have to look at what Black Lives Matter is saying. So, Matt, you have made Tony Timpa a rather famous this week, a name I had never heard of.

I live in Dallas. I didn't even know this story. Tell a story of Tony Timpa. Yeah, Tony Timpa was a white man who was also killed by police. This happened a few years. Back in 2016, very similar situation. The video's out there now, the body cam footage, very similar situation of George Floyd.

He was being arrested. They were on top of him. He couldn't breathe. He said many times, I can't breathe. I'm going to die. They didn't listen to him. He died on the pavement, and after he died, the police officers were cracking jokes. You know, they might have not known that he was dead, but they thought they knew he was unconscious and they thought it was very funny.

They did not give him, they did not administer, you know, anything medical-wise. The other part of this is that Tony Timpa make it even more outrageous. Tony Timpa suffered for mental illness. He called the police to come help him. He realized that he was on the verge of, you know, he just needed, he hadn't been off his medication. he knew we needed help he did what you're supposed to do and he called the police to come help

him and they killed him instead and I mean it's just totally horrifying it's at least as bad as George Floyd if not worse and yet I think it's I have to tell you I think it's worse because he wasn't in a criminal act we have to separate

the act from the killing they are two separate things but here's a totally innocent guy who is calling and saying help me and they kill him. That's, that's more insane than he thought he was. Exactly. And yet, and this is not about, look, this is not about what aboutism or anything like that. I'm not trying to score points that to make this into a racial scorecard thing. We're just pointing out that these sorts of things happen all the time to people who are not black. Daniel Shavers, another case that I've mentioned, a little bit more

well-known, but that video is just the worst thing I've ever seen. If you haven't seen the video of Daniel Schaever, if you want to see it, I warn you. It's horrible, but he was killed, shot dead by police while begging for his life on his knees. I mean, that's what they said happened to Michael Brown. It didn't happen to Michael Brown.

That was a lie. It actually did happen to Daniel Schaever on his knees, begging for his life saying, don't kill me and they shot him. White man, you know, and this kind of thing happens all the time. The important point is that the police brutality is a real problem, in my opinion. There's a real problem with the way sometimes the police go about things, even though it's a minority of cases,

but it does happen. I don't think there's any reason to believe at all, actually, that it's racially motivated. I don't think it has anything to do with race, the vast majority of cases. I think it's, you know, power trip. I think it's sometimes police officers don't value human life as much as they should. And then also sometimes this idea that, you know, there are some cops who don't want to take any chances at all with their own lives, none at all, and so they'd rather kill you than take any chance whatsoever.

Now, fortunately, most cops don't operate that way. Some do, and I think that's what leads to Daniel Schaever, Tony, Tinto, George Floyd, and many of these other cases. If we're going to go further than that and say that this person was killed because of their race, because this cop hated him because he was black, you're going to need some evidence for that. And the evidence cannot be that the person died because we know that happens to white people, too. It happens to more white people. You need more evidence. I mean, maybe the cop who killed George Floyd was racist. Is there any evidence of that?

that we have anything else aside from the video of George Floyd die. If we don't, and you're going around saying he was racist, that is irresponsible, reckless, and you have no reason to be saying it other than maybe you want it to be true for your narrative. Hey, Matt, it's Pat Gray. Do you know if any of the police officers were ever charged in this debt did anybody, was anybody brought to justice over Tony Timpah?

I know in the case of Daniel Shaver, uh nobody was there was there was no conviction wow and i believe that was the case for tony temper as well this is amazing he i mean they were joking they thought he was asleep they tried to wake him his time for school wake up um i don't want to go to school five more minutes mom said the other uh officer they joke about buying him new shoes for the first day of school making a special breakfast laughing loudly uh he is uh he's dead um and there was nobody that even cared about this story. Nobody that even cared.

So I think this says, if I'm not mistaken, Matt, you're not playing what aboutism. You are saying that there is a problem with the police departments, but not all police departments are not all police. But there is something to be said for the brutality that sometimes happens with a, you know, with certain cops. Yeah, exactly. And if we want to really, if we're serious about addressing the problem,

then we have to first diagnose it correctly. And if we're insisting on this racial narrative, and we can't possibly diagnose it correctly, because then if we're saying, well, this is all racial, then we've got, then what the hell are we going to say about Tony Temple and Daniel Schaeper and the others? We have, how does that, that doesn't fit with the theory. So there's obviously something.

else going on here. And I think I just, I think that's how we have to look at it. And, you know, by the way, you know, twice as many white people are killed by cops every year as black people. Of course, there are many more white people in the country. So you could always point that out. But it's still, if that's not, if it's true that cops are racist out hunting for black people to kill, which is what we're told by BLM, you would not expect, based on that theory to find out that there are twice as many white people killed by cops. It just, it doesn't work with the race. as cop theory does it, but that's the fact. And so, again, I think it just means that we need a different explanation other than the racial one to get to the bottom of the police brutality issue.

Host of the Matt Walsh Show on The Daily Wire, good friends of ours, Ben Shapiro's Daily Wire, the Matt Walsh show. You should check it out. Also, the author of Church of Cowards. His name is Matt Walsh. You follow him on Twitter at Matt Walsh blog. Thanks, Matt. Appreciate it. Father's Day is getting closer.

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Sometimes we don't. We don't have honest conversations anymore. And honest is the key here. Not somebody who's trying to win, but just have, just understand. I just want to understand what you're saying. But we can't do that anymore. Because if you talk about facts, you're a racist. If you don't prostate yourself in front of the mob, you're a racist.

But I think millions of Americans are saying right now, I'm not a racist. Because I'm not. Maybe I've done racist things in the past that I wasn't aware of it. It was a mistake. If I did it, I didn't know. But I try really hard to be open to everybody. I don't think I've ever done anything racist, but perhaps I have, and I would apologize for it. To the people that were actually hurt at the time, not to a mob.

I don't know anybody who's really, truly racist. And if I ever do hear those people, I immediately correct them and distance myself from them. And there's nothing I can do to alleviate racism in my life other than to, quite frankly, overcorrect and give preferable treatment to blacks or other minorities, which I find myself doing here and there, I guess, but I don't think it's fair. I'm not posting the black box, but that just means I'm sick of the mob. I'm not kneeling down to anybody. Sorry to say it, but the man that was buried today was not a martyr. He was a criminal. But like every other criminal, he should have been arrested respectfully and tried.

But he was a criminal that was arrested and now celebrated. He shouldn't be celebrated. We should be condemning the act of what happened after he was arrested. I'm not happy with the police. I'm no mouthpiece for the police. I quite honestly have been worried for many years about the militarization of the police. And police brutality. It seems to be getting worse with all races.

And I don't think they're making matters any better for themselves. During the coronavirus, the police really bothered me. Do I need to complain more? Yeah, I guess. I do. I mean, I think I'm being reasonable. You know, when you look at things, there are lots of things that are unacceptable. Let me show you a couple of video clips that I think were unacceptable.

The Buffalo PD and the attempt to murder an old man, do you have these clips for me, Sarah? Here it is. This is. Absolutely. He's completely unacceptable. He's pleading out of his here. He's cleaned out of his here. This is a guy protesting COVID.

All right. Let's go to the next clip. Absolutely unacceptable. Here's the next clip. Same thing. Got it. Police brutality again. Just arresting somebody just for marching.

Or how about this one? Police officer in Virginia. Spits. on a protester, COVID, during the crisis. That's not, that's not right. How about the guy who had, he's Hispanic and he had his door broken into. Play this one. I need to know why you busted my door in where the warrant is.

First of all, because you need a one, I don't care what kind of call you got outside from anybody walking around outside. You need a warrant to bust my door in. I just had four cops with AR-15s at my front door and busted it down because somebody called them, said a Hispanic male had an AK-47 or whatever, and that's all the information you need to bust my door down. Okay. Are you ready for me to answer? No, I'm at. That's the question. Okay.

Because I know you need more than I'm well-versed in this. Okay. I've done time. I'm well-versed in this. You have no right. I don't care who calls you. I don't care who calls you. I don't care who calls you.

you have no right to bust my door down without a warrant even if i did have an AK 47 here i am fully within my rights to own an AK 47 so this guy is an automatic a automatic firearm this guy is rant and raving but he's right no because the cops broke his door down because they said they had a a very vivid description when asked what the vivid description was a Hispanic nor uh listen to him here under normal circumstances a warrant is not needed What? Extenuating circumstance. A full description.

All you guys had was a Hispanic male. You had no clothes on. This is wrong. All of this stuff is wrong. All of it is wrong. I'm very much in favor of the police being respectful of all of the public at all times, even in tough times. And I support them when they are. I'm in favor of firing every bad cop we can find.

Constitutional Americans, you know what? we've been far too timid. We should have been marching in the streets peacefully until people are fired in the Justice Department and the FBI for the abuse of power and the corrupt procedures that they have used to frame innocent people in Washington, D.C. But we're just too docile. We don't do anything. Over the last 10 years, I've seen personally how the wheels of justice can grind a man, a race, or just people with political differences down into dust. I agree with the African American. This system is corrupt and it needs to be cleaned.

That said, when we're talking about police officers, that is an insanely tough job. I don't know how they do it. I don't want to ever do it. Somebody has to, but they're facing being maimed or being killed. And those good cops should be supported a thousand. percent and deserve our respect and be held up as the heroes that they are they do things that you wouldn't want to do and I wouldn't want to do the bad cops should be terminated but there's something else that needs to be said when you look at the stats maybe black males should stop doing so many crimes 37.5 of all violent crime is committed by african americans who make up 12% of the population

Now, there's one glaring factor that would bring the number of police interactions that they have to suffer through way down. This would be a good safety tip for all races, not just the blacks, stop committing crimes. Now, that doesn't solve all the problems because I know a lot of white people that have gotten into a lot of trouble for going out and peacefully protesting coronavirus. and they were treated like criminals. So I know this is a couple of week thing or a couple of month thing, and it's been going on with blacks forever in America, but I don't care what it looks like or who that person looks like when they come to kick down the door or to ask you questions to make you feel like a criminal

when you're not. That's got to stop. That's got to stop. but here's what we really have to say to one another. There are good black people and there are good white people. There are bad black people and there are bad white people. And if all black people don't want to be lumped in with all criminals and looters and they shouldn't be, then why is it okay to lump me in with all of the bad white people? Why is it okay to lump all of the bad cops in with all the good cops? it's almost like it's okay to stereotype cops or white people,

but anything else is literally hate speech. Factual data is hate. I can tell you right now, that data that I just gave you, it's going to be deemed hate speech. I'm going to have all kinds of problems with it. I don't care. I'm done with that.

You know, Biden said that 10 to 15% of Americans are just not good people. blacks are 12% of the population. Do you think he was talking about them? 12, I'm sorry, 10 to 15% of Americans are just not good people. So who's he talking about? Which Americans are not good people? Do you realize that if Trump would have said that, that exact narrative, what they would have said about him,

they would have said he was absolutely talking about black people. 10 to 15% whoa that's kind of a coincidence isn't it blacks are 12% of the population and you know it's true but instead reasonable people give Biden the doubt but let me ask you this if you believe that 10 to 15% of americans are bad people which i think is awfully high what are you going to do about it you're going to round them up you're going to ban them from the internet you're going to kill them what are you going to do People have a right to be jerks. People have a right to be flat out racist. I don't like it.

I don't want them around me, but they have a right to do that. Let me give you an example. This is from a Twitter feed from John Boyega. I really effing hate racists. Dexie Dale, nobody loves racist. I'm from Nigeria. My ex said she hates white, so I broke up with her. John responds, I'm talking about the white on Blachsyd.

black racism, the kind that ruined the world, not caused a little breakup with your girlfriend. Why is that on Twitter? Why can I find that on Twitter? That's racist. But it's fine with everybody on the left. How is this acceptable? This is not about all men are created equal. It's not. This is not about justice, fair and equal, justice for all. This is, if I may, a dog whistle. He's saying he hates a segment of white people. And that's allowable because of world history.

Mark my words, the world will weep. We'll weep when they see when the European societies that have been built over the centuries ugly as they have been in the past and even ugly as they are now. When they are removed from the face of the earth, the world will weep and finally recognize what they actually had. This is the best of the Glenn Beck program. Now, I saw a story, I think it was on Monday,

about the owner of the Broadway Wine and Spirits in Santa Monica, who was protecting himself and his, store with neighbors and friends they all kind of got together and they were protecting his store with I believe the article said automatic weapons or semi-automatic weapons ARs I didn't even know you could have an AR in in California but I wanted to talk to him because there's a good there's a good ending to this story and Joe Green is on with us now hi Joe hi hi how you doing I'm good so tell me what happens Sunday night how did this unfold

Well, you know, we thought it was going to be a peaceful protest, but we've had a few others protest here nearby in California, and they turned bad, a lot of looting and a lot of vandalism. So when they came to Santa Monica, you know, they were gathered at the ocean front down there, and the crowd just, it got tremendous. When they were showing aerial views, it was just a lot of people. At that time, I knew that, you know, our police department couldn't handle it. Yeah, it was overwhelmed. So then when the lootin start, because we have a third street promenade,

which is just three blocks off the ocean, and when it started, then that's when, you know, I started preparing myself. I, you know, I closed up the store, I got my wife out of here, you know, I started calling a few friends and see what was going on. And it started really early. I mean, this is like 3.30, 4 o'clock. I mean, it's broad daylight. So it got scary.

I mean, well, I'm all for protesting, and I'm all for Black Lives Matter. You know, something needs to be done about that. But looting and vandalizing and historian somebody's livelihood, not acceptable. So, Joe, did you have ARs that you were protecting the store with? Yes. You know, a few of my neighbors, you know, they're licensed gun owners, and they had an AR, and the person across the street had an AR. We had 9mm, 12-gauge, a few bats.

You know, we just, you know, there wasn't going to come in here and take this door without a fight. You know, it's just, I mean, it's... Doesn't that make you, doesn't that make you almost a pariah in California? Well, a lot of people frown on it, you know, because you have a lot of liberals out here that just, you know, you should just lock up and that's what your insurance is for. Well, insurance doesn't cover that. You know, insurance doesn't cover inventory loss. You know, it's a... So you went in, about 3 o'clock in the afternoon is when you started thinking trouble is coming, and it came shortly after your windows were smashed.

And by the time you got there, people were starting to smash more and try to get it. in and grab things. But you didn't go home. The authorities didn't actually arrive until the National Guard arrived at what about 4 o'clock in the morning? Four o'clock the next morning, yes. So it was a long night. I bet it was. I mean, like I said, I've never seen anything like it. I don't want to ever relive Sunday. I mean, that's, it got really dicey. And I, you know, I have friends out here and customers that were standing with me. and I would never be able to live with myself if anything happened to any one of them. So I'm just glad it turned out what it did.

I want to get to the ending of this story here in a second, but I want to ask you, how do Californians and business people react when you've been told by the governor, and specifically the mayor of Los Angeles has been, I think, one of the worst, It's that we're not fully going to be reopened until there's a cure for coronavirus. They've been arresting people that have been surfing on the beaches. They've kept stores closed all because of coronavirus. And now they're saying that it's okay.

And in fact, the mayor of Los Angeles is marching down the street with the protesters at times without a mask. Does this make sense to you? How do you process that? It's like a double standard. You know, it's just like, you know, you tell the stories that are open that you have to have social distancing and you have to wear a mask, but you can gather in these humongous, I mean, I couldn't, probably 5,000 people down there on Sunday. Nobody, you know, most wearing masks, but a lot not wearing masks and not social distancing. And, you know, it's just, and then, you know, like you was saying, you know, the mayor and, you know, the mayor and, It's just put a lot of businesses in dire straits.

I mean, they're struggling to make it. So what do people in California that you know, Joe, say of this? Because I think there's a lot of people around the country that say, wait a minute, I do believe the coronavirus was real. But did they just take advantage of this? Did they believe any of this? why are doctors now coming out and saying that, you know, racism is a plague on humanity? And so if you're going to protest racism, that's more important than the coronavirus. How are doctors saying these things when so many people have lost their jobs or lost their businesses?

How do you reconcile this in California with your leadership? That's one of the main questions. I mean, it's just like we're ready to reopen. I mean, I might, you know, the barber shops, the hairdressers, nail salons, the restaurants, especially the restaurants. I mean, this is, you know, most people, you know, nobody goes home and cooks a meal anymore because both parents have to work, you know, it's just, you know, so we're ready for it to open up. We're ready for a business to get back to normal.

And it's, it's been tough. And then, like I said, with all this on top of it. it, you know, and then you use the coronavirus, and then, but it's okay to protest and it just, I know a lot of people that are ready for all this to end and just get back to some normality here. Let me just take you to the ending of the story. The next day, you saw a guy with a broom. Tell me what happened. The next day, the sun was coming up. The National Guard, done made it, it's way downtown. I'm just like, wow, you know, we have a few helicopters up there, but the light is starting to come out. I see a middle-aged black gentleman coming down the street with a broom in his dustpan.

And he says, we have to start somewhere. And it was just, it was beautiful. And I mean, within an hour, the community, I mean, it was a beautiful thing. The community came together, and you couldn't even tell. By 12 noon Monday, all the graffiti was gone. All the, everything was gone. Glass was cleaned up. Windows were boarded.

I mean, it was a community coming together. It was nice. Joe, thanks for ending it there. God bless you. Thank you. And best to you and your customers at Broadway Wine and Spirits in Santa Monica. When you were little, you on have braced, you're having to negotiate,

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