The Glenn Beck Program - Best of the Program | Guests: Pat Gray, Sara Gonzales & Justin Haskins | 3/6/19

Episode Date: March 6, 2019

Best of the Program | 3.6 - R Kelly Double Jeopardy? -h1  - Getting Your Giblets Back with Pat Gray -h1 - Recession Avoided? -h1 - "We Were Too Aggressive" -h2 - Anti-Vaccines, 4 Hour Erections and The First Amendment? -h3 - "When did everyone become socialists?" (w/ Justin Haskins) -h3  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Welcome to the podcast. Today, we have a fantastic show, which, by the way, you can watch every single day at blazedtiv.com slash Beck. Shut up. It's true. Did you use the promo code Beck when you went there and signed up, Glenn? Yeah, I did, and I saved 10%. Oh, wow. All right. So today on the podcast, we have some really great stuff. We delve into the R. Kelly issue, which is kind of an interesting thing. Then we also talk about vaccines. They are starting to ban. books on vaccines. And we have government officials writing to Facebook and to Google and to YouTube and everywhere in saying, you should ban these things. We need to talk about a public-private partnership with the government and your platforms to make sure that these voices of these

crazy ideas like vaccines are bad are getting out there. And simultaneously some really good news from a study in Denmark talking about the vaccines and whether they're dangerous or not. So it's an interesting day. Both, both Stu and I are pro vaccine, but we are also pro free speech. In fact, we're free speech absolutists. And we kind of get into that a little bit as well with a guest towards the end of the podcast on socialism. And what socialism really is? New York Times says, when did we all become socialists?

I don't know. Nobody in my circle is a socialist. So I can't tell you, when did you become socialist New York Times? all this and more on today's podcast. You're listening to The Best of the Glenback program. Home Title Lock is our sponsor. Home Title Lock, of course, is a company that protects your home. You know, you have a lock on the front of your home because you don't want people to get the stuff inside.

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Attorney Michael Avanotti has tweeted a statement from the client's family ahead of last night's Gayle King interview with Arkelly. Asriel has suffered mental abuse, severe mental abuse at the hands of Arkelly for years. Arkelly is a liar, manipulator, and a sociopath who must be brought to justice for his decades of sexual assault on underage girls, all of these victims and their parents cannot be lying. Yeah, I know, but you're such a liar. I mean, why would you go to Michael Avanotti? At this point, I mean, because at one point, at least half the nation thought he was the most credible man in America, right?

At least half of the country was like Michael Avinati is the gold standard of truth because he's saying bad things about the president. But now even that side thinks he's a scam artist. So, I mean, now I don't know how the guy even gets a traffic ticket job. No, I don't either. I don't either. Okay, so R. Kelly, criminally accused of sexual misconduct in 2002, eventually tried on child pornography charges. In the same case, he was cleared on all counts in 2008.

And so he says, look, they're just digging up this stuff from the past. And this isn't true. I didn't do this. Here is a cut one. R. Kelly denies, don't double jeopardy me. Do you still sit here and say you have never been with underage girls? Can you really say that? I sit here and say this.

I had two cases back then that I said in the beginning of the interview that I would not talk about because of my ongoing case now. Okay, fair enough. But I will tell you this, people are going back to my past. Okay, that's exactly what they're doing. They're going back to the past, and they're trying to add all of this stuff now to that.

Oh, yeah. To make all of the stuff that's going on now, oh, of course. Feels real to people. But the past is relevant with you with underage girls. Absolutely, no, it's not. Why?

Because for one, I beat my case. Yeah. When you beat something, you did it. You were quitting. We can't double jeopardy me like that. You can't. It's not fair to nobody. When you beat your case, you beat your case.

Have you ever been with underage women? Well, I can't talk about the two times I have been with underage women. But let me tell you, no, of course not. I love that. That's a great. I told you before the interview started, I couldn't talk about the times that I did things that were wrong. So then other than that. No, he didn't say that.

He said, I can't talk about that case. The two, yes. The two in that case. Right. And he's, but what he's saying is, and in a way, he has a good point. You can't double jeopardy me. I've already been... Sentence, let alone a good point.

I know. I... But he has said, you know, and tell me where this is wrong. Okay. You tried me for that. I beat that case. I won.

Yeah. This isn't a court of law, obviously. She's trying to get to the bottom of whether this is an ongoing issue for him. He's saying basic, let's be honest, his translation of what he's saying. is yeah I did that before. Remember, he was charged with child pornography, which is, and that was,

you could make a legitimate case. There were 10 counts of child pornography. They weren't all child pornography. That was part of it. That was part of it. Yeah. Because I mean, the big part was, it was on video,

and it was there was never a, it was kind of one of those things where he was never trying to sell his video to child porn connoisseurs. He just, I mean, it was a videotape, it was a sex tape. Here's why, if I remember right, here's why he lost that case.

Or he won the case. Or yeah, he won the case. Is because the girl said I was 14 at the time and two other witnesses said that that wasn't her. So she said that was me and I was 14. And two other witnesses that knew the girl said, no, that's not her or she wasn't 14 at the time. It was a, they couldn't prove that that was, that was her and that was her age. Right. And bottom line is he can't, you can't throw him back in prison for that. And just saying that he did something wrong a long time ago does not prove that he's doing something wrong today.

And that's, I think, his argument here. That being said, if your past is, I've been charged with child pornography and have had sex with underage girls multiple times, perhaps you never go near another female the rest of your life. Well, that's an answer. That's what he said. He said, let me let me do cut. No, that's not what he said. No, no, no.

Later he did. Let's see if it's in cut two. Here's cut two. But I'm not talking about the one case in which you were quitted. I'm talking about the other cases where women have come forward and said, R. Kelly had sex with me when I was under the age of 18. R. Kelly was abusive to me emotionally and physically and verbally.

Okay. R. Kelly took me in a black room where unspeakable things happened. This is what they're saying about you. Not true. These aren't old rumors. Not true. Whether they're old rumors, new rumors, why would they say this about you?

Not true. Play cut three, please. And correct me if I'm wrong, that you have never held anybody against their will. I don't need to. Why would I? How stupid would it be for R. Kelly? With all I've been through in my way, way past,

to hold somebody, let alone, five, six, 50, you said. How stupid would I be to do that? I didn't say you... That's stupid, guys. Is this camera on me? Yes, it's odd.

That's stupid. Use your common sense. Don't forget the blogs. Forget how you feel about me. Hate me if you want to, love me if you want, but just use your common sense. How stupid would it be for me to, with my crazy passing what I've been through?

Oh, right now, I just think I need to be a, a monster and hold girls against their will chain them up in my basement and don't let them eat and don't let them out unless they need some shoes down the street from their uncle. Robert. Stop it. Y'all quit playing. Quit playing. I didn't do this stuff.

This is not me. I'm fighting for my life. The problem here, though, is he has multiple girlfriends that he's supposedly living with. Yes, too, right now. His point is, I didn't hold them against their will, and then they, very well be true. I just feel like if I'm in the spot where I've gone through that in my life,

maybe living with multiple girlfriends is not the path you go down. Maybe you examine where you've been and where you're going a little bit, maybe make some different choices. It's a technicality, I know. But as long as the two girlfriends are both of age, there's nothing illegal about it. I mean, you might maybe at some point be a little introspective and say, perhaps this road is not.

the road I should be traveling on. Why? It's just a different choice in today's world. Well, again, it's just a different choice. Yes, you're making the argument from the left's point of view, which I don't agree with, right? I mean, like, again, it's a tough argument because I would agree, and I think everyone would agree, if you are in this position and this is what you've done with your life so far. And remember, this guy got a reprieve. He was able to come.

Not only, he was, yes, he was acquitted, but a lot of people get acquitted and their careers are still over. He was able to come all the way back. I mean, he was another, he was a star again. And for this to happen again is, you know, it's, I'm sure, shaking his life up a little bit. But we've seen too often, it would be really stupid for him to do this. It would be. It also would be really stupid to have sex with an intern in the Oval Office, right?

Like, you know, we've seen this how many times. Half the country has no memory of what you're even talking about. How dare you even bring that up? No, it's okay to bring up now because she's no longer useful to the Democratic. So now it's okay to bash Bill Clinton. That's right. That's right. That's right. Okay.

It makes it okay. Yeah, he was a dirtbag, wasn't he? Yeah. Now, we, and by the way, we were with you the entire time, conservatives. When you were concerned about character, wow, we were on your side. We just didn't quite get to admitting it until the moment Hillary Clinton was out of our lives. And now we are totally principled. The best of the Glenn Beck program.

Pat Gray joins us now. Pat, welcome to the program. Thank you. Good to be here. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I'm very excited. Are you?

Yes. Yeah. And because you're very excited to talk about Russian women. Russian women. I thought this is a Jeffie. Not the male order brides. Right. So you're excited about Russian women.

Yes. Well, one in particular who took care of a situation in her convenience store that needed to be handled and then went back about our business. This is it. If you haven't seen this video, this is unbelievable. A fight breaks out between a couple of drunk guys. In America or Russia? Russia. Okay. And she's

behind the counter. She's the clerk. And watch what she does here. This is absolutely amazing. Okay, we'll explain it on radio. So one guy's pushing another against like a vending machine or a refrigerator.

Here she comes. Little girl. Boom. Oh my gosh. Okay. Kicks him and then he gets in her face. Boom. Down to go. Oh my gosh. And then she spins. And lots back behind the counter. Next.

I'm sorry. Do I give you your change yet? He's still out. He's still out. And everybody just looks down back down at their phone. I mean, it's almost like America. Looks down on their phone. That is a Russian woman.

Is that amazing? That's amazing. She's not a big woman either. No. She's tiny. Yeah. There's not even, it's not a, I was picturing an element of surprise there. Like she did the guy didn't see.

No, he actually, she actually hits him a couple times. first. Yeah, kicks him once. And then he gets right up in her face. And she just gives him a straight right that Colcox him. You hear him crack his head on the floor. That's fantastic. I love that video. The other thing about it, though, is the men stand around.

There's what, four men in there? Nobody does anything. It takes the Russian woman to go up and deal with this situation. Kind of sad, really. Have we been... Probably the kind of thing that would happen in a convenience store here, with an exception of the Russian woman. Right. I mean, people just don't want to get involved.

And men have been dejibledized. So they've been, we got no giblets. Really? Yeah. Dejibletized. Ghibletized. Ghibletized. I like that. Okay. Thank you for that.

Yeah, you're welcome. So I think that's important to note. And, you know, maybe we need to get our giblets back as men. Certainly in America, I think we do. But, you know, masculinity is supposed to be a bad thing now. It's a toxic thing. It's terrible. And we're being told that all.

the time. So, you know, I think this is why, I think this is why Donald Trump is so successful and, and why he has, why he has, um, connected with so many people. Think how many, I mean, there are no examples of, of men being men, okay, James Bond. That's it, a movie. There's no male role models. Would you agree with that? Pretty much. Yeah. Okay. So Donald Trump, here's a guy who marries a supermodel. Right. Is like, yeah, I can make it with any model I want. He's over the top, but he fights back.

He doesn't, he doesn't flinch. He doesn't take any garbage from anybody. He is the almost cartoon of an alpha dog. Yeah, he is. You know what I mean? And I think because we have taken alpha dogs and show. shot them all. When he comes to the table, there's a lot of guys who are out there going,

yeah, damn right. That's why he was elected, isn't it? Right. And a lot of young guys that are looking at him almost as a father figure. Yeah. Absolutely. I think that's a huge part of his appeal. It is absolutely happening.

Also, did you see CNN's little panel that Alison Camerata did? Allison Camerata has been fully CNNized, hasn't she? Yes, and she left Fox. It's pretty amazing. Anyway, she's sitting down talking to this little focus group of about six people. And she starts asking about Joe Biden. And here's what happened there. How many of you would like to see Joe Biden get in?

Show of hands. What's happening? His time is done. I'll be honest. I used to think, like, you know, because obviously he was right down the Obama wave. And I thought he was the person that would unite the party. But to be honest, you know, Senator Biden really comes from the kind of the good old boy politics of the past.

I don't think Joe Biden represents that new thing that we need. We just, we need a new economy. We need a new politics and we need someone different. Yeah, they need new economy. And they go on to explain, they're talking about somebody more extreme. They want somebody further left than Joe Biden. He's not left enough for him now. So it looks to me like, I mean, this is only six people,

but it's starting to affect the Democrat rank and file now. This shift to the left in the Democrat Party has, I think, affected just about all Democrats. They're becoming the Socialist Party of America. Well, I will tell you because there is not another idea on the right. Where is the person on the right that says, look, we are going into a new economy, but I'm not talking about a green economy. I'm talking about a digital economy. Do you know that 41% of the jobs that were lost in the last year

have been lost to automation and they were not in manufacturing? Okay? They're not going to the car companies anymore. Those jobs are now starting to be automated that regular people had. So we're losing jobs. We've got a new economy and nobody's talking about it. We have a way to move so rapidly now, and this government cannot keep up with it. It's time to streamline the government.

It's time to set it in place for 2018. Congress, raise your hands here. How many of you actually know the difference between AI, AGI, and ASI? Maybe three? Maybe. How are you going to protect us? How are you even going to protect us if you don't know what that? is right now our biggest problem in our country is is stem we do we are not

turning out kids that know anything about science technology mathematics nothing they don't know it how are we going to compete in this new digital world with stem common core common core that's not the answer where are the big ideas on our side. There aren't, well, nobody can articulate them. No. Is there anybody that can articulate? Do you have confidence in anyone's ability in, say, a position of power to articulate these

things? No. Nobody does. So here's the problem. Democrats have all kinds of people articulating their theories, their ideology. But they're not. Nobody. Right.

And they're not new. Those are all old ideas that have been repackaged. They're Karl Marx's ideas. Correct. So they've all been repacket. packaged, but they feel new to people. And instinctively, people know we can't have Joe Biden, who's been in there since 1951 on this new, this new economy. And they're talking about a green economy, but there is a new economy. It is a tech economy. I will say, though, I mean,

if Joe Biden does not enter this race, he does not want to be president. I mean, he leads in every poll. Oh, yeah, this is CNN. This is CNN. Yeah, I mean, those, those six people may be representative of those six people and certainly more. But I mean, generally speaking, the Democrats, the Democratic voters seem to want Joe Biden in pretty badly. I mean, again, like, you know, you could say that it's, it's name recognition and that it's certainly part of it against some of these other contenders. But I mean, everybody knows Bernie Sanders name by now. If you're a Democratic primary voter, you know who Bernie Sanders is. And Biden is beating Bernie Sanders usually in the double digits. He's ahead of everybody in double digits, I think, including Kamala Harris.

Yep, everybody. I think she was second in the latest. that I saw it was like 30 to 20. Yeah, certain states, you know, like Sanders does well in New Hampshire. You know, so there's a few different states, you know, and you know who doesn't do well in New Hampshire, oddly, is Elizabeth Warren, who I just don't think she has any chance. No, she's over. She's over.

But still, like, I mean, Biden, if he does not get in, is going to open up an entire wing, because there's no, everyone else is competing for the socialist vote, essentially. And Joe Biden is no conservative. No, he's not at all. this moderate Joe Biden. He's the one who's pushed he pushed Obama to the left about 10 times during that presidency. He was one that was blurting out the gay marriage position.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And do you remember he was he was one of the most, I think, top three liberal senators in the Senate? Yeah. So he's no conservative just compared to the socialists that are running. Oh, yeah, totally. To the point where Joe Biden looks moderate to us. That's a frightening place to be.

Somebody called me on my show on Pat Grand Leashed, which happens right before this show on the Blaze Radio TV network. And they said, what do you and Glenn and Stu think if a Democrat actually wins in 2020? And they have, so they have the executive, they have the House. And if they win, they probably, they'll probably get the Senate. So they'll have a majority in Congress and they'll have the executive office. Is there going to be any stopping their socialist policies? And I think the answer to that is no.

No. you, one of the first things they do is get rid of this filibuster in the Senate. Absolutely they will. They don't care about that. No, they don't care about it. They only care about it when there's Republican majority. That's the only time they care about it. And they're going to say, look, Trump said he wanted it. And you guys didn't fight it then. And they'll be right. And they'll be right. And so, and they will just use that as an excuse to move that progressive line a little bit further. And they will pass every single thing they want to pass.

It is the most important election of all time. The next president, the next president is going to have to deal with a recession. And that will be the emergency that will allow them to do. You think it won't come until after 2020? No, I think it could come before. If it comes before, that's a bad thing. If it comes, if it hits before. Democrats win.

That's some good news that came out of Europe yesterday. Everyone I think except, everyone I think except Italy was at least. least flat in their growth. And they were expected to go down, which would have meant recession all throughout Europe. China is the only one that has bigger growth than us, but take that with a grain of rice. Here in America, we have 2.6% growth on our GDP. Last year, I was just looking at the stats. It was 3.1 last year for 2018.

So we are still okay. We're not great, but we're still okay. And Europe did not go into an official recession, which everyone expected. So we bought ourselves some more time, and that's good. But if it comes before this election, it's going to be troubles for the Republicans. And if it comes after the election and the Democrats are in, they are going to use that to absolutely change us to a new economy. And that's the green economy. This is the best of the Glenn Beck program.

Like listening to this podcast, if you're not a subscriber, become one now on iTunes. And while you're there, do us a favor and rate the show. All right, so we all know that Twitter, we've all watched Twitter be unbelievably hypocritical. They are so fast to ban anyone on the right. But boy, when it comes to the left, it's chance after chance after chance. Now, that's not the way Jack looks at it. But Jack, along with Twitter's, you know, mouthpiece, was on the Joe Rogan show last night, and it is really worth listening to because Tim Poole was there.

Now, Tim was a journalist, used to be with Vice. He has been following this for a long time. He is a free speech absolutist. and Twitter has a problem with free speech. And over and over in the Joe Rogan experience last night, they were talking about how they're trying to create a place where everyone feels free and comfortable to speak. And he said, well, that's not working.

It's not working for conservatives. You know, your liberals might feel free to speak, but the conservatives don't feel free to speak. And that seemed to be lost on Jack and his Twitter friend. Here's a little bit between journalist Tim Poole and Twitter CEO, Jack Dorsey. Listen. So you don't think we should have any rules about abuse and harassment. So even the threats that you received that you mentioned that we did.

But you mentioned a number of threats that you received and you were quite frustrated that we hadn't taken action on them. You think we shouldn't have rules that. I'm frustrated because of the hypocrisy. of when I see the flow of one direction. And then what I see are Republican politicians, who in my opinion are just too ignorant to understand what the hell's going on around them. And I see people burning signs that say free speech.

I see you openly saying, we recognize the power of our platform and we're not going to abide by American norms. I see the manipulation of Twitter in violation of our elections. I see Democratic operatives in Alabama waging a false flag campaign using fake Russian accounts.

And the guy who runs company has not been banned from your platform, even after it's been written by the New York Times, he was doing this. So we know that not only are people manipulating your platform, you have rules that remove honest American citizens with bad opinions who have a right to engage in public discourse. And it's like you recognize it, but you like having the power. So he really made some strong points when she kept going back. So you say no rules. He's saying, no, not no rules. American standards. So in other words, if you are, if you're threatening someone with harm, if you're inciting violence, yes.

But if you have an opinion, and one of the things that kept coming up was Learn to Code. And Learned a Code was, it became really a flag for people to rally around of the arrogance of the elites. When manufacturing jobs were lost, reporters were told, reporters said, well, they should learn to code. Well, that's not necessarily something a 50-year-old is going to be doing in the Midwest, is learning how to code. Okay. And it just showed how out of touch these reporters were. Then when the reporters started being laid off, people started saying, what's the problem? Just learn to code.

Well, that hashtag was banned. And he was really upset about that. And the monopoly that Twitter seems to be creating here. Here's cut two. I understand your point about the influence, and I'm not denying that. Certainly Twitter is an influential platform. But like anything, whether it's the American law or the rules of Twitter or the rules of Facebook or rules of any platform, there are rules. and those rules have to be followed. So it is your choice whether to follow those rules and to continue to participate in a civic dialogue. Or is your choice to not do that?

Absolutely. You've monopolized public discourse to an extreme degree and you say my way or the highway. We are facing. Tim, we haven't monopolize it. There are many different avenues for people to continue to have a voice. There are many different platforms that offer that. We are a largely influential one. I'm not trying to take away from that. And we're a very important one. You don't need to be the most important. It's just that you are extremely important. And that's a compliment. Twitter has become extremely powerful. But at a certain point, you should not have the right to control what people are allowed to say. No private or look, I'm a social liberal. I think we should regulate you guys because you are unelected officials running your system the way you see fit against the wishes of a Democratic Republic. And there are people who disagree with you who are being excised from public discourse because of your ideology. Okay. So here's the problem. This is where I think Tim goes off the rails a little bit.

He is for regulation. and that's where a lot of people are going to go. Regulation. No, the problem with Twitter and Facebook and Google is they claim to be a platform. You notice he said, your platform is very, very important. You're creating a monopoly here. Well, it is a platform. Now, what is a platform?

A platform, think of that as your local, you know, your local, uh, Kwanis Club stage or your local school stage, um, you know, if you had some sort of a local auditorium, you could rent it out and a, you know, a rock band can be there and the next time it could be a speech and it welcomes everybody because it's a public auditorium. That's a platform. The minute the, the, the auditorium says, no, no, no, no, no. We're not going to take any rock bands, and we don't want that lecture going on.

We're only going to take lectures like this. Then that becomes, in the digital world, a publisher. And now here's why this is important. If you're a platform, you're open to everything, except we want to have, we want to rent the auditorium because we're going to play about pedophilia and orgies. and it's starring eight-year-old kids and 50-year-old men. No, no. You're not doing that.

That's against the law. So once you break the law, I don't have to offer my platform to you. However, as long as it's lawful, I'm a platform. I have to be open to everybody. And this is important because if you are a platform, you are not held responsible. for what happens on your platform. So if something happens on stage and it's outrageous, you can't be sued for it because you're like,

look, we're neutral. We're neutral. Did they break the law? No, I had nothing to do with them. A lot of this comes from copyright protection. Because if people are posting, you know, full movies on, you know, Twitter obviously wouldn't be the place for that, but a social network, then theoretically they could get sued for that, because it's their site and people are posting copyright and material on their site. However, they get a protection from that because they're just a platform.

They're not going to control everything that everybody posts. They just have to take it down when they're aware of it. Right. They say, okay, look, we're a platform. We are not judging good and evil. We are judging illegal and legal. And posting a movie is illegal. It violates copyright laws.

But they don't pass through us. they're posted. So you can't hold us liable for this because people have a right to post. Then if we get something about it, then we can take it down if it's illegal. The minute they start to say, well, we didn't like that point of view. Now you're a publisher. Now you do have an editorial committee that gets around and says, what speech do we like and not like?

The minute you do that, you lose your platform status. Like the Blaze, I can be sued for the Blaze because we see everything that goes on and sometimes we make mistakes, but we have to be held responsible because we are publishing something and we are putting it out. I can't be held responsible for comments because people, that's, The comment section is just a platform. Anybody can get on and say anything. We monitor them, but I can't be held responsible because we're not seeing it,

you know, we're not okaying everything that comes in. That's a huge difference. And it's a huge legal expense if you're not a platform. And so what happened was Twitter, YouTube, everybody else, went and said, we're just a platform. We're just a platform. That's all we are. So you can't have any of these lawsuits about copyrights or anything else. We cannot be sued because we're simply a platform.

And so they got that status from the United States government. Then they started editing. Then they became a publisher as well. So now they're a publisher that cannot be sued. that's not the way it works. Yeah, it's great work if you can get it. Yeah. I'll give you the last piece of this where Dorsey actually did say,

okay, you know, we probably are a little too tough on conservatives. Whether that's going to mean anything or not, I doubt. You know, it's amazing to me is Joe Rogan is bigger now in influence, I think, than probably Larry King was. his height and nobody in the mainstream media really pays attention to him at all and he's talking about the things that people are talking about in in a different way and last night he had um he had tim pool on who is a a liberal probably more a classic liberal um a journalist who is who is more journalist than I have heard on any platform in I don't know how long. The guy knew his stuff

when he came up against Twitter and Jack Dorsey and actually got Jack Dorsey to say, okay, okay, you're probably right. Listen. This is one of the big problems that people have. With this story particularly, particularly, you have a left-wing activist who works for NBC News. I'm not accusing you of having read the article. He spends like a day lobbying to Twitter saying, guy, you have to do this, you have to make these changes. The next day he writes a story saying that 4chan is organizing these harassment campaigns and death threats. And while 4chan was doing threads about it, you can't accuse 4chan simply for talking about it because Reddit was talking about it too, as was Twitter. So then the next day, he, after he published his article, now he's

getting threats. And then Twitter issues a statement saying, we will take action. And to make matters worse, when John Levine, a writer for the rap, got a statement from one of your spokespeople saying, yes, we are banning people for saying learned to code. A bunch of journalists came out and then lied, I had no idea why, saying this is not true. This is fake news. Then a second statement was published by Twitter saying it's part of a harassment campaign. And so then the mainstream narrative becomes, oh, they're only banning people who are part of a harassment campaign. But you literally see legitimate high-profile individuals getting suspensions for joining it on a joke. Oh, they're for sure probably mistakes in there. I don't think that any of us are claiming that we got this 100%

right. And probably our team having a lack of content. into actually what's happening as well. And we would fully admit, we probably were way too aggressive when we first saw this as well and made mistakes. So the problem is, is that in this, if you watch this, he, Jack talks about how, look, we're surrounded by liberals. We are liberals. We're surrounded by liberals.

We don't necessarily understand the context. But this is what we believe. and so yes, it will take on that kind of a tone. Well, you have every right to do that, but not if you're a platform. And I don't hear anybody making that case. This is the easiest way to solve this. If Congress threatens to take away their platform status

from Google, YouTube, from Facebook, and from Twitter, if they say, you have to choose, You're a platform or you're a publisher. If they pick publisher, then they have every right to ban whoever they want for whatever reason, left or right. But not if they're a platform with platform protected status. It's easy. We don't need to regulate.

Do not grow the size of government. It won't work out well for you. Don't grow the size of government. Just take away their platform status. This goes to so many of the points that we've made over the years and that you have to have a principle because the principle here, I think, is what you're talking about. Don't grow the size of government. Don't give government extra power over these types of things. It's going to be damn tempting for conservatives to jump on the bandwagon here because they're the victims of all of this.

You're getting targeted by Twitter. You're getting targeted by Facebook all the time. and so the instinct for a human being is to say, hey, authority figure, government, step in and write this wrong for me. And I don't. Look how they've distorted the civil rights movement. The civil rights movement, you could be for the civil rights movement in the 60s. You're for the civil rights movement today where it is the color of my skin.

It's not the content of my character. These things change fast. They change fast. And they never change when they're, where, when it's an organized government entity, it never leans towards freedom. And deep down inside of every conservative, we know this, right?

Like, if we, let's say we are to pass some sort of rule that regulates social networks that we believe it's on our behalf right now. With 100% certitude, the government will figure out a way to make you the victim of that rule. You will, it will not last.

may get a year of not getting banned or something like that, in the long run, that rule will be expanded and that use will come to fight to hit you more than it's going to hit the left, especially when a left government takes over. So, you know, look, it is a really tough one to deal with, and I understand why people go that way. We've had a lot of good smart conservatives come in and argue for that position. But I mean, I think we got to let, we got to think past step one here. And if, you know, step one is, is, it feels really bad. You don't want to get banned, I know that sucks. I think Cruz has brought this up before talking about taking away protections.

That's what has to be done. That is a, I think, a step potentially in the right direction. If you're going to make decisions based on content because you believe some political person is too offensive, fine, you're just going to deal with it the way the Blaze deals with it or the way New York Times deals with it. You're going to be a news source. You're going to be a publisher. And you're not going to get the protections that you get from the platform.

And you will cut your audience. about half. Yeah, and Twitter won't be able to exist in that world, really. Well, look, here's the deal. Until YouTube and everybody else is deemed a platform only, or that status is taken away, the voices like ours are in jeopardy. And you're seeing it. Stephen Crowder is fighting it right now.

You're seeing it happen. This is why platforms like the Blaze are so important. We have to be able to have the ability to read. our audience. And the algorithms are shutting us out of that. Join us at the blazedtiv.com. You're listening. You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck program. Hey, it's Glenn, and I want to tell you about something that you should either end your day with or start your morning with, and that is the news and why it matters. If you like this show, you're going to love the news and why it matters. It's a bunch of us that all get together

at the end of the day and just talk about the stories that matter to you and your life. The News and why it matters. Look for it now wherever you download your favorite podcast. Sarah, I want to talk to you about what's happening on Capitol Hill right now. And we have a outbreak of measles. And measles should not be happening anymore. I mean, you know, it's like polio. Polio is making a comeback. What? How? We eradicated polio. No, some people don't want to take the vaccine. And the balance of rights and public health is a really dicey conversation. Yeah, it is. You know, I would just like to also point out, I don't believe that there's been a measles

death since there was one in 2015, I believe. So, you know, I do know that there was a time where people just got the measles and that was just kind of a way of life, you know, growing up, kind of like the chicken pox. It wasn't necessarily a deadly, you know, disease. So, you know, the measles is not. so much my concern, but I would like to point out earlier, I heard that I was referred to as anti-vaccine, just set the record straight before I get hate mail. I am not anti-vaccine. I am pro-information and pro-parents choice, just like you said. I think that, you know, it's very

clear that vaccines have saved lives. And it's also very clear that vaccines are not 100% safe or 100% effective. So, Stu, there was a new study that just came out, extensive study that just came out this week. Have you seen it, Sarah? I haven't. Okay. And it showed that vaccines are safe. I mean, safe, safe how?

Did you see that you saw it? This was a particular study, but I mean, there was a lot of stuff that goes around this particular topic, but this one was particularly about autism in Denmark. And so they did a study. It was on 660,000 kids born in Denmark. And Denmark is, like, super the opposite of us. Like we are, we're like, hey, like, we should have the right to do what we want to do with our own kids. And Denmark's like, we're going to take every piece of your information.

And now, it's great for researchers because, you know, it's like part of the law. Like when your kid is born, like they take every piece of health information and give it over to the scientists. So one of the things, so this was every kid born in Denmark over, I think it was a decade. And they found, you know, no ties to, it was actually, you were actually less likely to get autism. I think it was 17% less likely to be diagnosed with autism. if you got the MMR vaccine. That's not saying that they think it's vaccinating you against autism. But, you know, it's just, you know, look, I think the point of this is more, and I think

this is your point as well here, Sarah, which is like, this is America. And we are, and parents, we are not, it is not, does not take a village, right? We are, we are the parents and we make the decisions. And so the idea that the federal government is going to come in and tell us what, what, you know, what medicines or vaccines we have to give to our kids is the real, I think the real argument here. You know, when it comes to, you know, this bigger argument of whether they're good or bad, like, you know, that is, I mean, you can look at all the science and you can make up your own mind. That's what you're supposed to do as a parent, right?

You're supposed to be able to go in there and make up your own decisions. Do you want to give your kid ibuprofen? Do you want to give your kid Tylenol? Do you want to do these things? I mean, you know, I'm the same way, Glenn, my kids are vaccinated through these things. But, you know, if you, you should have that ability, and I think that's Rand Paul's point. Yes. You should have the ability to make the choice as a parent.

So what is the problem with doing that? If you don't have the vaccine, okay, so more people are going to get sick. But if my kids got the vaccine, they're not going to be the ones that got sick. I mean, there are, I mean, you know, I'm sure you're well-versedness. Yeah, the argument is, yeah, the people who are, yeah, herd immunity, which, again, is a theory that was originally proposed when it comes to natural. immunity. It's never been. Herd immunity? Herd immunity is the idea, the theory that as long as so many of citizens in the society are vaccinated, we will maintain that level, you know, it's 95 or something percent. As long as we maintain that level of vaccine rates, the diseases don't typically come back. The diseases

won't come back even if some people don't get the vaccine. Well, how many people are anti-vaccine? How many people are not vaccinating their kids? It's a very small percentage. It's a very small percentage. It is growing significantly, right? And that's why it's become this sort of hot button sort of political issue. And there are other cases, too, like, you know, infants have certain times in their lives where they can't get vaccinated yet. So they're vulnerable. People with, like, you know, cancer at times.

They have weakened immune systems. So the vaccines don't work as well, even if they've been vaccinated. There are issues. And again, like, as a society, you can say, okay, well, this is what we think the best path is for your health. And you should do this. And we can encourage it. But even when you're putting someone else at risk in the United States, like we say to people like, look, we will license you to drive a car. And if you do something that we think is wrong or you're putting other people in danger, then we will step in and stop that.

But we all have a choice, right, like to go in there. And we all are at risk of other people doing things that we can't control. That's just the risk you have in a free society where people are walking around, you know, going to the grocery store. They might have the flu. You know, we're not going to mandate that they do anything. But I do think that it's important to point out, Glenn, that, you know, you said that the study determined that vaccines were safe. You know, I think that we- In this particular study for autism. For autism.

Right. But I think that we jump to the autism debate far too quickly. Whenever we talk about vaccines and safety, we say, no, no, no, it doesn't cause autism. That's already been debunked. And we forget that a vaccine is a medication that we're injecting into our bodies just like any other medication that we're putting into our bodies. people are going to have different reactions. So, I mean, vaccines have, you know, adverse reactions ranging from very mild to incredibly severe to death sometimes.

And so I think that it's important, you know, even the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons just came out and put out a statement saying, force vaccinations violates human rights because vaccines are not 100% safe or 100% effective. So to say to someone, we are going to force you to inject your infant, not knowing yet how they're going to respond, that's a problem. And I think that we lose sight of that in this debate because we jump straight to autism as if there are no other side effects that could happen. It's like if we said everybody, every male has to take Cialis.

Well, some of us are going to have a four-hour erection and going to have to go to the hospital. Not that you have any experience with that, right? I don't. Stepping back, though, here for a second. Like, let's just let me make the worst point of all time. Every vaccine causes autism 95 times. over for every child. That's my viewpoint. Okay. Now it's not my

viewpoint. But let's just say it was. Should I be able to go out and blab about that as much as I want? In a society that has a First Amendment. Yes. The answer that has to be yes. I don't care how crazy the viewpoint is. There's way crazy or crap on the internet than anything we could possibly

come up with here today. But for example, there's a new book in the top 50 overall on Amazon. I found this yesterday. It's incredible. It's a about the Q anonymous, whatever the hell that thing is, right? The Q conspiracy theory that has been out for a while that thinks that Donald Trump is going to, I guess he's working with Robert Mueller to push back against Hillary Clinton who controls the government somehow.

It may have worked a little bit in 2016. How it works now, I don't know. This is the best of the Glenn Beck program. So when did we all become socialist? That's the question from the New York Times magazine this last Sunday. and the answer is we're not all socialists. Maybe you in the newsroom have gone all socialists, but America has not gone all socialist.

This last weekend, I was at CPAC, and I decided to break off and go into one of the smaller conference rooms because there was a speaker that I wanted to hear, and his name is Justin Haskins. And he is, he was very funny. and just really sharp on socialism and the Green New Deal. He's written for The Blaze regularly. He also is a contributor for the Washington Examiner

and also columnist for Townhall.com. Welcome to the program, Justin. How are you? I'm doing great. Thank you for me, Glenn. You bet. I wanted to go over the five myths of socialism. I don't know if you saw this from the Washington Post. I did. And also, when did everybody?

become socialist from the New York Times? Can you answer that one? Yeah, sure. I don't think anyone, I don't think everyone has become socialist, as you pointed out. I think that we're living in a time when socialism is clearly on the rise, especially among young people. And I imagine that if you spent all of your time living in the sort of Greenwich Village, New York bubble that the writer of this particular article that you're referencing does, then yeah, I'm sure everyone seems like they're socialist, but if you go out to, you know, Iowa or something, I'm sure you're going to find a lot of people who do not believe in Karl Marx's ideology. It's on the rise, but it's definitely not something that we, that you could say is quintessential America. No question about that. So let me give you the five myths about socialism, because you just wrote a new book about socialism. And the name escapes me. I'm sorry. Socialism is evil.

So pretty easy book to remember. Yeah, pretty easy. I haven't read it yet, and I want to have you on next week to talk about it after I've had a chance to read it. But you're pretty clear on socialism. You were very clear and very funny about the Green New Deal on how this is clearly just socialism. It has nothing to do with green energy or anything else. Correct, yeah. The Green New Deal is the most radical, dangerous, destructive policy proposal in modern American history. It is a socialist Trojan horse without any question at all. And the obvious way to realize that this is the case is that if you really believed that we were about to head into some sort of post-apocalyptic hellscape, 100 years into the future, or that 12 years from now we're all going to be dead, as Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez suggested not too long ago, then you,

You wouldn't waste a single penny of taxpayer money on things like a federal jobs guarantee or land use practices for farmers or basic income programs or free college tuition or upgrading homes for safety and comfort. I mean, the list goes on and on and on. The Green New Deal is full of socialist programs. Climate change is just a convenient excuse the left uses, especially Democratic Socialists, to enact all of the programs. all of the programs that they've always wanted to enact with or without climate change. You know, you said this, Justin, and it just struck me as so true that if you are really truly, like Akazio-Cortez, says we only have 12 years before we're all dead, before this thing is just out of control, you wouldn't talk about anything else. Nothing else. Your whole campaign, your whole life would be centered around that.

Yeah, absolutely right. It's sort of like, you know, in New York City, I know you spent some time in New York City, so you know this. You go to Times Square and you see a guy on the side of the road in Times Square with like an old pizza box that says, the end is here, you know? The end of the world is about to come. It's like he's there every single day and the end of the world never comes. But then it would be like if he started putting, like, taping another little small sign next to it saying, oh, and rent is too high. it's like does it matter if rent is too high if the world is about to end?

Right. I mean, that's where we're at. That was one of the things with the sort of the FAQ that was attached to the Green New Deal when it came out and they were so embarrassed about it and they hit it right away. And it said stuff like, let's get rid of airplanes. And Akazio-Cortez went on Twitter. It's like, I like to fly to Puerto Rico. And I'm not saying that. Well, why aren't you saying it?

You're saying the entire earth is going to disintegrate in a, in a day. decade. Why would you want to fly to go see your family? You can't call them? Why are you even going to Washington, D.C., to vote on these things? You can't come up with a system to vote on the internet? It's completely ridiculous. It's so clear that this is just something, and you've talked about this Glenn, and I think you have as well, Justin, is like, it's this concept of perpetual constant war. We can't always have a World War I or World War II to get people to do what we want. We need to come up with something, and the environment is it, where it's this constant war all the time. We can always bend the rules. We could always take more power.

because things are always dire. We're always teetering on that cliff of the earth just going away. So, of course, we can justify anything. Well, look at how much just the Patriot Act changed this country. Think of that. Patriot Act completely changed us. It changed our theories of privacy and security entirely, entirely. And you just put one of those in because you're in a new war.

you put this new Green Deal Act in and it will change us more than the Patriot Act. Would you agree with that, Justin? Totally. Oh, yeah, absolutely. And from a socialist perspective, the best part about the Green New Deal is because it's dealing with climate change, it's always 80 years off into the future or something. You can always say, oh, well, we just got the prediction, the model a little wrong. But 20 years from now, it's going to be chaos.

or then 20 years comes and nothing happens and 20 years from now it's going to be chaos. You can always predict it off into the future and just say, yeah, this is a problem that's going to happen. I know it hasn't happened yet, but it's going to trust me. And because the media all backs it, everyone just goes along and believes it. So one of the myths that they bring up from the Washington Post is that all socialists want to abolish markets and private property. And that's just not true. They just want a little more control on a few things that really matter. Right. Yeah, I think in the short term, there are certainly socialist parties and groups that are not advocating for the end of private property tomorrow.

But every single one of them has the same goal. The utopian goal that they're all looking for that Karl Marx was talking about 150 years ago is the same. It's we want to live in a world where there is absolutely, there are no classes at all, which means no groups of people with different amounts of wealth. Everybody has the same amount of wealth. That's what we want. And every socialist party, even the Democratic Socialists of America, we're very careful to say on their website, you know, we don't want to abolish property tomorrow,

say, eventually, though, we would like to abolish private property. I mean, that would be great. So they're all working towards that same cause. It's not true that there are socialists out there who, who say, ah, we like capitalism, but just we want some, you know, some controls on it. No, no, no. They want to abolish property. They want to abolish private property.

They want it to be completely controlled by the collective. It's just a matter of how long they want to do, how long they're willing to wait to have this happen and how extreme they're willing to be at this very moment. What's the strongest message that we can deliver to people who think that socialism is neat? and it's probably some sort of an app? Right. I think the strongest message that conservatives can give, and it's something that, frankly, conservatives have been incredibly terrible at this

over the past few decades, is we have this tendency to obsess over economics and then just cede the moral high ground entirely on this issue. And so we spend all of our time talking about, wow, we got a lower tax rates, and oh, we need GDP growth. And it's like, you know what? Those things are not the most important things in the world.

The most important things in the world are individual freedom, unalienable rights. I have the right to my property, to my life, to live my life the way I see fit, not to have some majority or some bureaucracy somewhere decide how I'm going to live my life. And that those are the conversations that we need to have, that conversation about natural law. Where do my rights come from? Do they come from the government? or do they come from somewhere else? We're not even having those conversations.

We're not even on the edge of those conversations in common discourse. We're too busy fighting over these minute little issues that at the end of the day don't matter. What really matters is can we focus on individual liberty and personal freedom, or should we have a society where the collective decides everything? And if you happen to be in the minority, well, then too bad for you. that is the that that's the thing that um bothers me the most i mean you look at slavery the majority could have voted for slavery in fact the supreme court said slavery was okay it wasn't you know even if you're in a a democratic socialist uh market if you will if the majority votes

that you have to do something that's still slavery i don't care of everybody else voted for it, you didn't. It's still slavery. Yeah, that's right. And actually, when the country was founded, this was one of the debates that the loyalists had with those who were, you know, were the Patriots, the people who wanted to move away from England, they basically said, you know, look, why should I trade one tyrant, you know, three thousand miles away, for three thousand tyrants one mile away, that whole quote, you know, that was in the Patriot and Mather Biles likely said it, a Massachusetts passer. I mean, that whole notion of, well, you know, democracy can be tyranny too.

Yeah, we have this obsession in America over democracy. Like, democracy is somehow this inherently good thing. Democracy is not inherently good. Democracy can be evil. What is inherently good is individual liberty coupled with democracy. That system works. And that is totally incompatible with socialism because socialism doesn't allow for individual rights.

I mean, Hezbo-law was democratically elected. Democracy on his own is not necessarily great. Let me take one more thing here with you, Justin, because I agree with you and your criticisms on where the left is going. Let's point inward a little bit here, though. I think quite often we, on the right, it's easy to be principled when you're in the minority. It's easy to be principled when things are going your way.

but when things hit you, we talked about several examples over the past couple of weeks where things where it feels like you're really getting screwed and I just need a little bit more power from the government to be able to enforce this thing that I want.

See, this thing though is a real problem and I really need the extra power this time. Yes, the Constitution, but this is too important. How do you, I don't feel like people in those moments typically are able to bring themselves back to those principles that really have guided the country

the entire way. Yeah, you're exactly right. What we need desperate, the biggest opportunity that was missed by Republicans, and there were a lot of opportunities missed over the past couple of years, was this idea of embracing the freedom to fail. Okay? The country was established very different communities with completely different ideas, very different than the states that we have today.

And yet it worked because they were willing to say to each other, we know that we're different, but we're going to allow each other with some constraints. We're going to allow each other to live the way we believe is right. We're not going to impose those beliefs on each other. That's why we have state constitutions and state rights. And we have totally moved away from that, both in the Republican Party and in the Democratic Party. And now it seems like every four years, the world is about to end for somebody

because we're going to have this incredibly important election where we're about to elect some imperial president who's going to make all of our decisions for us. And then he gets to appoint a couple of open seats to the Supreme Court. And then the Supreme Court's going to decide by a two-vote margin what liberty means for 330 million people. Does this sound like a free society? Not at all. Not at all. Justin, we'll have you back next week.

We'll talk to a little bit about your new book. It's called Socialism is Evil. And if you've ever read, Justin, or you've ever listened to him speak, this is the first time you can see. He has a great sense of humor and very well read. Justin Haskins. Thank you so much for being on.