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Episode Date: December 18, 2025

Glenn addresses the "Warrior Dividend" of $1,776 for military members, which should arrive in time for Christmas. DOJ's Assistant Attorney General for Civil Rights Harmeet Dhillon joins to discuss the abuse of process that occurred when Biden's DOJ raided Mar-a-Lago despite the lack of probable cause. Christian worship artist Phil Wickham joins to discuss the presence of God at Charlie Kirk's memorial service and the ongoing fight for the soul of the nation. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

All right, here is the best of. It's the show before the last show of the year. I don't want to miss this one. We talk a little bit about the president and his speech last night. How did it go? What did you think? We talked about the warrior payments and what the Republicans are caving on with Obamacare again. You know what's going to happen at the Christmas time. We're not going to hear about it because we'll all be having turkey and they'll be passing garbage in Congress. Also, Harmeet Dillon from the DOJ, the Civil Rights Division. talks to us about what is coming and what is happening. Really fascinating. You almost have to kind of read between the lines, I feel.

A conversation with Harmeet. Really, really good. And Phil Wickham. He is a world-class singer, worship singer, and the star, the voice of David, in the new movie from Angel Studios, the animated feature that comes out tomorrow, David. You'll miss a second of today's podcast.

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He talked about his warrior dividend. He said every the 1.45 million military personnel are going to receive $1,776 before Christmas. And he says it's recognition for their service and sacrifice. He says one time it's coming from tariff. because the big beautiful bill, tonight I'm proud to announce more than 1.45 million service members will receive a special. We call Warrior Dividend, a warrior dividend in honor of our nation's founding in 1776. We're sending every soldier, 1776. The checks are already on the way.

I think this is better than choosing another group of people, you know, who's poor and let's give them the money. I don't like when the government hands out money, but if anybody, I mean, they're already on the payroll and they're underpaid and if anybody can use it, it's the military. $1,700 is a huge amount

for most people in the military. Gigantic amount. That will make an actual impact in the people's lives who I think actually deserve. You know, we don't do enough for our military. And so it's the best kind of, I don't know,

stimulus package I've ever seen, although this isn't a stimulus package, I don't think, even though these people are going to pump it into the, I can guarantee you they're going to get it and they're going to use it on their family for Christmas, which, you know, will stimulate the economy so much, warrior dividends. How do you feel about that, Stu? A bit conflicted for a few reasons. I obviously 100% agree with you that our military members deserve more money and I'm excited they're going to get it and I have no my feeling on that from a general perspective is very, very positive. Like if we're going to give money to anybody, likewise. Our military is great and, you know, so that's obvious. And but I had a couple of concerns.

One being, you know, we're not exactly at a place where we just have tons of extra money lying around to, you know, to throw around to people. I know the argument is with tariffs that we have enough, but of course that pays only for a slight amount of our deficit. Right. So we still, this is all money that we don't actually have, number one. And number two, my under, and I don't really understand, maybe you have a better understanding of this. But like my understanding of the mechanism of how we spend money as a government is that the Congress passes a bill to allocate money when you're talking about a policy like this. And I think the president's heart.

You got rid of that under Obama. You got rid of it. Well, I didn't get rid of it. You did. Congress. No, I know. It is still the law of the land, but nobody is paying attention to it anymore. Congress doesn't even pay attention to it anymore. They don't seem to care. Now, and the other thing with this part of it, particularly, Glenn, is quite obviously there

would be very little resistance to a bill that did this. If you put a bill in front of Congress that said, we're going to give a bonus of $1776 to all of our military members. I would love to do it just to dare the Democrats to vote against it, right? Like, even take out all the concerns about spending. This obviously would pass because no one would have the balls to vote against it outside of like Rand Paul and Thomas Massey. Like that would there be a couple people, but it would be pretty limited.

So it could have gone through the normal processes. I don't know if Trump is just saying like, I want to be, you know, I want to dare someone to try to stop me here? Or if it's just, look, there's a pile of money in a military budget somewhere that he can move around and he has control of it because he's commander-in-chief. I don't really understand the mechanism. So I have some questions around that. But, you know, of course, generally speaking, when you're thinking of the most offensive things that the government does, giving our military more money is nowhere near the top of that list. Is not what it. Yeah. It's not, not it. Not it. They deserve it. Now, the Republicans pass

something I love this. They just passed their health care plan, which is just stay with Obamacare without re-upping the insurance part of it. So they're not for the subsidies. This is not going to pass. This is not going to pass. This is not going to pass.

You know, in the House, it's not going to be past the Senate and not going to go to the president's desk. Here's what's going to happen. You're going to see the House and the Senate. No, no, no. Let me rephrase that. I started that with a lie. While you're not paying attention this Christmas,

you will not see, but it will happen anyway. The House and the Senate will re-up the insurance subsidies and they will pass this healthcare thing while nobody's paying attention. And then it'll be over. I mean, that's exactly what's going to happen. There's not a chance we come back

and on January 5th. We say, oh, my gosh, look, wow, they're going to close down the government because they didn't pass this health care thing. Well, good for the Republicans for having a spine and standing up. Nope, not going to happen. It does appear the chance of the Republicans folding here is approaching one trillion percent. I don't know. We're having major inflation. I would say 38 trillion.

Okay, there you go. I'd say 38 trillion percent. Yeah. I don't know, because basically what has happened. is enough Republicans have already folded on this for a three-year extension of these subsidies, which, again, is a giveaway on top of the normal Obamacare to make it Obamacare turbo and lock in even higher subsidies because the old Obamacare plan failed. So that is what we're talking about here. So going back to Obamacare as past is now the worst thing in the world to even the Democrats.

Fascinating. But they have enough Republicans who have changed sides on this. and they are now, the Democrats have enough votes to force a vote on this bill, which almost definitely will pass the House because they already have the votes and other Republicans will want to now change sides that there's a public vote. So it will likely pass there. It's possible, obviously, that they stop it in the Senate. They could stop it in the Senate. I don't know. I don't think that there's much appetite to stop this. Honestly, at the end of the day, you know, you probably will have a chance of doing it in the Senate.

Senate, though, that's our best chance. My guess is, what happens is once the pressure is there, they find a way to maybe adjust it and do a year or something like that that gets them past the election. But of course, what happens in a year? And we all know what happens in a year. It's the same thing that's going to happen this year. It's the same thing that happened four years ago when they first, the first part of this bill went away in 2022 or 2021. They came in and they said, okay, let's extend it for four more years. So my guess is there's probably going to be some adjustments to this plan, but I do not expect at all the Republicans to hold the line on this. Not only do they no longer want to get rid of Obamacare, they don't even want to get rid of Obamacare Turbo.

It's, I know, they passed this thing yesterday, which does give them the argument to say, hey, we did pass something. We do have a plan. It's right here. Stu. But that's all that. Understand the reality. Understand the reality. We can't get things done unless we have the House and the Senate.

Senate and the White House and the Supreme Court. So we just have to wait until we have a time when, what? Glenn, I have breaking news. We've got all that. We've got all of that right now. Now, I will say there is a filibuster in the Senate that does hold you up a little bit. Yeah, it's not as big as we needed. Oh, yeah.

We have to have the House, the Senate, the White House, and the Supreme Court. but we have to have more than what we said when we said those things. We just need those, you know, all three branches of government. We need all three branches of government, but more. It's like we need that turbo, kind of like Obamacare turbo. It's never quite enough to get the job done. Never is, Glenn. I really do expect if we had a 9-0 Supreme Court, the presidency,

and 534 combined congressmen and senators. They say, we got to get that last one. We can't do this with this guy over here. There's one Democrat in Congress. We can't do this. That's exactly what I would expect. Standing in the way. It's pathetic.

But it reminds you that your goals are not their goals. You know, that's what I keep coming back to forever, Glenn, when we started this show, I will say, I started the show very young. I was in our early 20s and didn't really understand lots of. things. I was unfortunately learning from you, which have obviously turned into a catastrophe. But, you know, as I learned here, at the beginning, my thought was, us as conservatives, as Republicans, as the right, agree on a lot of different things. And there are disagreements as to how we get there, right? There are sometimes people think we need to kind of fold or sometimes

we need to compromise and we have to move slowly. And some other people over there saying, hey, no, we've got to go all the way right now. We're going to go all the way. And there's that disagreement. You remember this from going back in history, right? Slavery was like this. There were some people who were like, abolish, abolish, abolish, and others were like, gosh, I don't think we can do that. We got to, we got to finagle. We got to work around the edges.

Every big debate has had that. What I learned over time is that actually the goals aren't the same. When we are saying, hey, we need to make sure government is more, is smaller and more limited. That's not the goal of most of the people on, quote, unquote, our side in Washington. They don't share those goals. So they're working for something completely different. They're not going to what we want as a typical American conservative.

We're inching towards some of those goals, but also like when we need to give up on them and go the completely opposite direction to keep these guys in office for a couple more years, fine. And that's what's really frustrating here. So let me give you some good news. And then I'll, you know, then I'll spoil it for you. But some good news. The House has just passed legislation that makes me. performing transgender surgeries on minors a felony. Now, here's the bad news.

It passed 216 to 211. That means, really, there are 211 Democrats that actually in their heart of hearts think that cutting into minors, cutting the breasts off. At this point, now that we have all the data that we have gathered over, you five years of doing this to children. At this point, there's still 211 that firmly believe, you know, damn it, we should cut off the breasts, a healthy breasts off of a healthy minor.

We've got to make those decisions and let a 12-year-old make that decision. A 15-year-old should make that decision. Really? No. It's just politics. And if they do think they believe it, they believe it because they've been party brainwashed. You know, how many of us on any on any and all sides,

how many of us actually believe something and have thought it through and how many of us are just kind of zombie following the crowd? I contend most people are just zombie following the crowd. Whether, whether, that might even be a crowd now of like, you know what, Charlie Kirk was killed by his wife. there's all kinds of zombie crowds, and they don't require you to think at all. They just require you to sign up for the team.

And that's my biggest problem with the Republicans is, I'm not on a team. You know, when I left Fox, Roger Ails said to me, you know what your problem is? And I said, no, but I know you're going to tell me. No, I don't, sir, but is my problem. He said, you won't play the game.

he said you know there's it's they're well established rules if you need a pound of flesh you take a pound of flesh from me but then i'm you owe me a pound of flesh and so when i need a pound of flesh i'm going to come and take it out of you and then we go out and we have dinner with each other and i was just astounded that that was actually spoken out loud and i said see here There's the problem. I don't believe it is a game. I actually believe in something. And I thought more people believed in something.

Don't you feel like you just want somebody to go in like Mr. Smith goes to Washington and actually believe in something? And then when they find out, wait a minute, I've been duped. Like Mr. Smith goes to Washington, they stand up and go, this is wrong. And I'm not playing that game. And I don't want to play that game. And then you kind of, again, there's so many loops or hoops you have to jump through for this to happen. Then you actually have to believe there are other people in Congress or in the Senate that are like, you know what?

He's brave enough to say it. I'm going to stand up next to him. I mean, I remember when I was young and naive. And I believe those things would happen. I still believe they can happen. but only when the American people return to common sense and demand it. Let me tell you about Patriot Mobile.

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Oh, thanks for having me. She is the DOJ's assistant attorney general for civil rights. Harmey, let's start with the, let's start with what's happening with the cases in several different states on what happened in 2020. What have you found and what's being done about it? Well, I can't really talk about either of those things, but what I can't really talk about either of those things, but what I can say is that there's a lot of concern about the weaponization of the Department of Justice and beyond weaponization, abuse, a process that happened here.

I mean, the recent story in the news, of course, that people are talking about is the raid on the president's home in Mara Lago, where apparently, you know, the federal government here, the Department of Justice was aware that it was not supported. it by probable cause. And a political decision was made to override that and weaponize the DOJ. And of course, the other side keeps gaslighting us for doing this, but we're trying to play things by the book. So we do our investigations and we go where the evidence leads us. And I can tell you there's a keen interest in this Department of Justice to hold people accountable for abusing the civil rights of American citizens, including the president, who is an American and is entitled to

the same civil rights as you and I and everybody else. So we're really focused on it. So, Harmeet, honestly, would that story come out about the FBI this week? When these stories break,

it's nothing new. We knew that. I mean, now the evidence is there, et cetera, et cetera, but we knew it. And so it doesn't ever seem new.

And then when that story first came out, I'm reading, I read it, and I just dismiss it. And it comes up in my production meeting the next morning, and all my producers are talking about it. And I said,

why are you guys talking about it? nobody's going to go to jail. Nothing's going to happen. Where is the DOJ? And then they pointed out, your name was attached. And I thought, oh, wait a minute. I am interested because maybe something will happen. How does this process work?

What has to happen before we start to see indictments or trials if laws were broken? All right. Well, let me choose my words carefully here. So, you know, the FBI is part of the Department of Justice. Okay. They're across the street. And they have their own leadership and management. And, you know, the prior administration hid a lot of things over there.

We know that from stories that are unfolding and the work that they're doing over there. And so I can't open up a investigation without some evidence. And so when evidence comes in, then we're able to start an investigation. And unlike the other side, we don't sort of start with a conclusion and then try to find evidence that Cherry Pick said. We find the evidence. And then we go and follow where that leads us. And so in my case, one of the statutes that I administer here is the Klan Act and federal conspiracy statutes, including, you know, Section 241 and 242. They talk about a conspiracy to violate rights, and that can include state officials.

Typically, most of our jurisdiction here at the Civil Rights Division involves state actors violating federal civil rights and not so much federal actors. But in theory, there could be private individuals, potentially federal actors if you can pierce appropriate immunities who conspire to violate civil rights. And so conspiracy cases involve connecting multiple dots and multiple, sometimes, people across states and jurisdictions. And what we have here, just to be, you know, zooming out is multiple cases that were brought against the president and multiple jurisdictions involving multiple state actors. So at a minimum, I think every state actor involved in these conspiracies should be concerned. Whether or not we can tie feds into that or private people, you know, it's going to be an

interesting legal question. And there are a lot of qualified immunities and privileges that we have to pierce through to get there. So I just leave it at that. It is complicated. It is challenging, but there's an appetite to do it because if we don't hold people accountable for grossly violating our civil rights, including but not limited to judges signing off on wiretapping and invasion of communications of attorneys.

I mean, I'm kind of mad about that because I've seen my name on the Arctic Cross List, the name of my law firm, who represented, you know, numerous political parties involved in the 2020 election, the president, the president's campaign, and others, if we let that lie, you know, this just becomes like Venezuela or some other tin pot dictatorship. We lose our ability to hold our heads up as the paragon of the rule of law in the world. And so I think it's very important that we do that. Now, I mean, I will tell you, just to be frank, you know, some folks come into the DOJ, they want to burnish their credentials a bit and then go back out and, you know, do their next thing and their focus is on that. And then there's some of us who are kind of true believers and feel like,

you know, this is our mission in life to make sure this country that we love stays this country that we love. And I'm one of those people. So I've got a lot of other patriots here like me. And so we're looking at these facts carefully and seeing what we can do with them. I just, I know you have to be very, very careful, and I don't want to put you in a bad situation, so I just, you know, I want to be careful. Do you think that the people at the FBI and the DOJ in all levels realize that, because I know you do, do they realize how to the end the American people are? they're starting to lose faith. If we don't start to see people at least charged and have a fair trial, I'm not even saying that they go to jail, hopefully they would if they broke a law, but, you know, showing these people,

because we keep getting investigation after investigation after investigation, and then it just sits there. You know, there's a story out today about, you know, the Clinton Foundation and all the investigations, what they found. I don't have any faith that they're, nobody, nobody's, nobody's. going to jail for that. Nobody's going to go to jail for that. And we're at this place to where it's up to the DOJ and the FBI to do their job and then start bringing some justice because if we lose in 28 and you haven't cleaned up and set clear rules of the law does matter, all these people got away with it last time. It's going to be a thousand.

times worse in 2028. No, I hear you, and I'm worried about it. I'm a citizen who loves this country, and as you know, I've donated countless millions of dollars of my billable time to being engaged in politics. And so here's, let me just set some expectations. So you come into the DOJ, I had about 400 attorneys plus working in my department. I have one third of that now, because when I set the rules of what we're going to do here in this department, two-thirds of the people pieced out and quit. And some of the ones who are left

behind are leaking to the press, what we are doing. And so that's the fight in my department, okay? And then you look at where does most of this work occur? When you look at the hundreds of thousands, over 100,000 people who work at the Department of Justice, a lot of them work for the FBI. Well, it's only the very top, top layer of that that is politically appointed and committed to the president's agenda. I would say the vast majority of that agency is, legacy doing what they're doing, much of which was not good for America, I'm going to say. And then I don't mean to malign every Asian out there. Most of them are good, but the leadership has not been great. The people who've gotten to the top, like even in the last administration

of the president 45, James Comey and some of these others, Christopher Ray, you know, Republicans in name only and enemies of, you know, what the American voters wanted. And they've shown that time and again and what we know publicly, I'm sure there's more to come. And then you look at the fact that I need to work with 94 United States attorneys to get just about anything I do done, whether it's a hate crime prosecution or civil cases that I bring. And in some of the top jurisdictions, we can't get those people confirmed because of a dumb blue slip process that is not in the Constitution, that is not in law. It is a made-up courtesy of ancient times. And I'm sorry these United States senators are wedded to it and and here we are. I can't get my friends call me on the phone saying

I gave up my law practice. I came into the government. I had faith that I would be treated fairly because I've had an honorable and long career. I've never been sanctioned by a court. I'm a great lawyer. And then these, you know, this dumb process means they can't get confirmed. So now they've lost everything in their life and their career and they have to pick up the pieces and they won't get confirmed. This is this is carnage to people's careers and everyone sees that. This is a feature, not a buck, of this dumb blue slip process. So I don't know. The blue slip.

We have talked about the blue slip problem here too. We have talked about the blue slip problem on the show several times. And it has to be corrected. It's insane. It's insane. It is absolutely insane. But do you feel that, I mean, because it kind of sounds, let me put it this way. Is there a possibility to do to the DOJ and FBI and everything else the things that HegSeth has done to the Pentagon?

That was riddled with all kinds of people that shouldn't have been in there. Or is it just a different thing where you just can't go in and say, you're out? Because it's not military. Because he seems to be changing and we seem to have our arms around the military at least and that's able to change. Can we change this system in the DOJ? We can. I mean, we can. I mean, we're fighting with our hands tied behind our backs in a way.

And I mean, look, a lot of, there are a lot of, there are some of, some of my colleagues have gotten confirmed and they're doing great work. And by confirmed, I actually don't mean really confirmed. I mean, the judges voted them in. So effectively, they're confirmed, but they weren't confirmed by the Senate process. There are very few who have been confirmed by the blue slip process, that which is dumb. And so this president, one year in, doesn't have the DOJ that he wants because of the Senate. That's a fact. And so that said, there are a few.

And we're looking at conspiracy cases that can be brought in places where we have a confirmed United States attorney and, you know, favorable makeup of the courts. Those are also few and far between. And at the same time, we are fighting the left-wing weaponization. They're extremely efficient. They bring cases every day. every single voting rights case that I have brought in the United States has multiple intervenors, the ACLU and the League of Women Voters and La Rosa and yada, yada, yada. And then I sort of one brief, I have to file a four breach.

So that's like what we're dealing with here with a small staff. And everyone knows that I'm not giving any trade secrets away here. That's the whole point of what they do. And so that's the system. I think people don't realize when I see the criticism. Every time I post something that I've done here or an investigation I've opened, there's a thousand negative comments from people on supposedly on myself. And it's demoralizing to the lawyers here because no one gave up their successful practice to come here and just be criticized all day.

And that's why people don't stay in the government. You know, I'm not surprised that people are talking about leaving at this point. It's demoralizing to be here and just be criticized all day. So that's a function of our social media world or what have you. But I can tell you that I am joined here by, you know, so many patriots who some of them gave up very comfortable lies like I did. to come here and serve their country and were determined that I will consider it a failure for sure if I leave here and nothing was changed and nobody was charged and nobody was held accountable for the gross violations of our civil rights because that will simply be a green light for it to happen again, happen harder, and perhaps with no recourse and no ability to win an election in the future. I mean, if we had HR1 pass, for example, you know, who knows what would have happened in this election cycle because we've got permanent like, you know, vote by mail. and no accountability.

So we are changing things bit by bit. We're just not getting credit for it. I think that's also true. I only have about 30 seconds. I'm so far behind it. I've got to let you go. Are you concerned about Bongino, his resignation,

and what it might mean for investigations and the resetting of justice from, no. Okay. I am not. We've got great staff over there. And, you know, there was a co-de deputy director

who's stepping up. Yeah. And I think we have a, We have plenty of people in line to help with that. So I'm not concerned about that. And I wish I'm well. You know how I feel about you. I don't want to be part of the problem.

I want to help and be part of the solution. You just reach out any time to tell us what we can do to help. But the patience is running thin with the American people. And you know that. Thank you for everything you've done. I know what I read. I got to say one thing. We need more lawyers here.

So go to USAjobs. dot gov and civil rights, we are hiring, and we want some base lawyers over here to help us do our jobs. Okay. Thank you. Armeet, Dylan. Thank you. Have a great holiday. You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck program. Let me give you an update on something. Do you remember, oh, Jeannie.

She is from Chico, California. Jeannie was the Target lady. She was the lady working at Target, I think, on Monday. and she was wearing a red shirt and this woman, this Karen comes up to her and it's just nasty and filming her on her video and like, why are you wearing that red shirt? You're a racist and you're supporting racism.

And Jeannie was just so cool. She's like, no, that's your opinion. He wasn't and, you know, you can have your opinion. I'm not going to sit here and just take this. I'm not going to argue with you. Have a good day. And the lady's like, well, I'm taking this to your manager. And well, now that lady is in real trouble.

But somebody started Give Send Go a page for Jeannie. And it is so, it's so cool. I just, I love people. So they wanted to make sure that she had a vacation. Just let's provide her a good vacation, like a great vacation. Well, she's going to have an unbelievable vacation. Yesterday we told you, I think it was at like $50,000, which is a great vacation. Give Sen Go, the people of America, has, they've raised over two,

$200,000 for Jeannie. That's game-changing money for somebody like Jeannie. Just game-changing. And you just couldn't happen to a better person. I spoke to her yesterday off air. I just called her to say hi. And she was like, I said, Jeannie, and she said speaking. And I said, hey, Jeannie, it's Glenn Beck.

She said, what? What? I said, it's Glenn Beck. She said, hi. And I said, I just wanted to call you and just tell you, you know, what a cool thing. You just handled that so well. And she said, I can't believe I'm talking to you. My life is so crazy right now. I said, I know.

But it's really cool to watch, isn't it? She was so sweet. She's so nice. I love those stories where someone becomes, like, well known and gets in everybody's in the public eye in a way of just doing the right thing, just being cool and respectful and, you know, just handling herself in a moment that I would never be able to handle myself that way, right? Like, she was able to keep under control. I would have been furious.

I mean, I would have been a wise ass. I would have done 20 things that I would have been embarrassed about later. She did zero, which is awesome. Yeah, yeah. And I, like you said, I love it when people become famous and they're not trying to become famous. They're just being them. And all of a sudden, the life is, because she, I mean, it was so funny.

Her life has changed. Her life has changed. And it's just for a moment, you know, it's your 15 minutes, but also $200,000. I mean, can you imagine? Wow, is that what it's up to now? You know, you're working it. Yeah, you check. I heard this morning it was 200.

Yeah, 213,000 right now. $213,000. That's awesome. Isn't that great? By the way, if we want to make it any higher, give send go.com slash jeezing. from Target is the place to go if you want to get involved. And if you haven't seen the video, watch it because she's just great, just great. And you just love her after watching it.

It's fantastic. So I don't know if you saw Charlie Kirk's funeral. I happen to be there. And it was one of the greatest worship services I have ever seen. I've never felt anything like it. It was a great awakening. It was at least a revival. unlike I have felt in a revival, maybe in my lifetime. I mean, you could feel God there. And when

they were all singing on stage or they were talking about God, you could feel God there. And then they'd start talking about politics and it would just kind of go away. And then they'd start talking about God again and it would come back in. It was like, it was like an ocean. It was unbelievable. And the worship service was just the best. I mean, just the best. And Phil Wickham was one of the guys who was the worship singer for that. And he's now the voice of David in the new Angel Studios animated film. It opens up tomorrow. Phil's on the phone with us. Hi, Phil. How are you? Hi, Glenn. I'm doing well. It's good to meet you over the phone. Yeah. I think I sat, I think I was sitting right behind you. I didn't disturb anybody, but I think I was

sitting right behind you at Charlie's funeral. Um, that was, have you? Have you? Have you? Have you You ever felt anything like that before? That was a unique situation when you think of the cultural moment it was, the people that were in the room, the eyes that were globally on that moment. And then I just think God honored a moment where a suffering, grieving widow just said, hey, before anything is said, I want two hours of uninterrupted worship to God in honor of Charlie. And I think that just that kind of before we say anything, before we have a president on stage, before we, before she even gets on stage, for her to say, I want the people that we listen to in our home when we want worship music on to come and just to sing out the name of Jesus and the gospel.

And it was just beautiful. And I haven't been a part of a lot of beautiful moments with the church. and God moves in amazing ways he promises when we get together to lift up his name. He promises to move. But that was a unique moment that I will never, ever forget. Yeah. I mean, I've felt God move before, but I've never felt him. It was like he was there.

I mean, I was talking to people who are not necessarily, you know, big Christians or, you know, and they were saying, do you feel this? What is this? I'm like, that's God. That's God showing up. It was incredible. Incredible. Let me talk to you a little bit about the movie, David.

How'd you get involved in this? Well, there's a long story that I won't bore you with, but the short story is that I just happened to know someone that knew someone, that knew someone that knew that the company that was putting on this movie, the animation studio, was striking out, trying to find the voice of adult David. And after they tried Broadway, they tried, you know, the professional actors, they tried professional, some singers in the pop world. They just thought, well, maybe we should try out some people.

that actually sing the songs that David as a living. And so they looked kind of in the Christian worship leader realm. And my name was on a list and someone was in the room at the same time. They said, I really think you could fill a call. And it just was, you know how people, maybe if you got some church people listening out there, there's a phrase that I grew up listening to because my dad's a minister, you know.

When something you can't explain, they said, well, that must have been a God thing, you know. And that's a, yeah, yeah, yeah. And that's what it felt like. And honestly, Glenn, when I got, when I kind of heard that I was in consideration, my eight-year-old self that, like, bought the Lion King soundtrack and was jumping around, like singing along to the Lion King's song. I just, I've always had the secret dream of animating an animated character.

But I never pursued it. It never, I never thought it would be on my, you know, come across my desk. But when this came across and the fact that it's David, I mean, man, I mean, for lack of better words, I've plagiarized so many of David's songs. You know what I mean? With my words of songs. I don't think he's got an attorney. I think you're okay.

Hopefully he's cool with it when I see him, you know, in heaven. Yeah. So to do this character that I've known about my whole life that has inspired, this story, David and Goliath has inspired billions of people. And just in my mind, when I thought of families going in, and young people being awakened to the stories of God that we know from the Bible in fresh new ways, It just, there was so many boxes that checked for me that I just remember thinking, man, if I can't act, I don't want to do this.

And I told them, I was like, I'm unoffendable. If I'm horrible at this, just kick me out the door. I don't want to be horrible in a movie as much as you don't want to be horrible in a movie. But if I can do this, I would, I'll work so hard. I'd love to do it. So anyways, I'm already going longer than I wanted to. But after a couple auditions, some moments of prayer, I got a call. And I was in airport.

They said, hey, you know, we love what you brought in the auditions. They're like, what's your middle name again? And I was like, David. And they're like, well, how would you like that to be your first name in a movie? And so that was about a year and a half ago. And it's been a beautiful, beautiful journey. And now I can't believe it's coming out tomorrow. I have to tell you, you know, there's one thing when you can write and sing music,

in some ways, you kind of live forever. You know, there's songs that, you know, artists that I live. listen to from time to time that I really love. And, you know, they don't know that they're still impacting me or anybody else. And when it comes to music and animation, you're in the hearts of children forever. And I understand what you're saying about, you know, wanting to be in the, you know, in the animated world like, you know, you as an eight-year-old kid with the Lion King, because it's a totally different thing. You're going to be there forever. It awakens hearts

I mean I just I remember when my girls who are now 14 12 and 10 but you know frozen was huge when they were just really young you know yeah yeah yeah those songs were all over the place in my

house in my car you know and and to think that I could bring those kind of moments into family's lives but it's not just songs about ice and snow But it's songs that carry, which are beautiful in their own right. Yeah, yeah.

These are songs that carry like the hope and truth and ideas that we get out of the Bible about trusting in God and faith. And, you know, there's a light. There's a theme through the whole movie about like follow the light, the word of God. You know, David, in the song that says, thy words, the lamp into my feet and our light into my path. And there's this theme of God being our shepherd and that we can trust him and that he's with us. And just for those kind of themes to sink in through such a fun, beautiful medium, you know?

And then the cool thing about these movies having songs is that, you know, 20%, 15%, whatever it is, of the movie are these things, you know, it's not easy to remember scripts, you know, or lines. You kind of remember how it made you feel. But when you go home and your kids are saying the back, hey, turn on the soundtrack, like the ideas and the story of that movie sink deep, deep down your heart. And so to be a part of that, I'll end this moment with like one story. When I, when I, meaning, I ever saw this movie in a room full of professional actors and directors. And I'm just a newbie in there. Like, I hope I didn't mess this thing. But I'm watching it and it was beautiful.

And right in front of me, I didn't notice until the end. But when the lights came on in the theater, it was this young boy. He probably wasn't older than seven. He turns to his mom with these wide eyes and just says, is that really what God did? Is that really in the Bible? Like it awakens something in his heart. And I couldn't help but get misty-eyed because all of the last year and a half of working on this movie and being a part of it and dreaming about it was for moments like that of kids and young people and families being awakened to this idea that we're not alone, that this isn't just a once upon a time fairy tale. But these are stories that have been handed down for generations of what I believe are truth.

and I just really hope this brings hope into a world that is desperate for it and light into a world where we are so confronted with the darkness lately. I'm just so excited for this movie to come out. It is out tomorrow in theaters, December 19th, that's tomorrow. And Phil plays the, he plays David. He's the voice of David in it. Phil, thank you for being on the program. Really appreciate it.

Hope we get a chance to meet in person and have a chat in person. You're fabulous. I love to. I was kind of, yeah, I'd love to see in person. Thanks for having a moment for us to brag on how great the whole team did on this movie. And God bless you guys. God bless you, Phil.