The Glenn Beck Program - Best of the Program | Guests: Rep. Chip Roy & Liz Wheeler | 7/7/25

Episode Date: July 7, 2025

Catastrophic flooding has killed dozens of people in the Texas Hill Country. Rep. Chip Roy (R-Texas) joins to debunk myths about the flood, the National Weather Service, and Camp Mystic. The FBI and DOJ now claim that the Epstein client list never existed, despite Attorney General Pam Bondi’s claim that she had it on her desk. BlazeTV host Liz Wheeler joins to discuss. Should MAGA trust Kash Patel and Dan Bongino, or is there a bigger cover-up under way? Glenn’s head researcher and writer, Jason Buttrill, joins to explain why he’s so furious. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Stu and Jason join me on the program today, and we talk about the biggest stories of the day, the announcement there is no Epstein client list and the Texas flooding. And Chip Roy joins me about the flooding and ultimately why he supported the big beautiful bill. Also Liz Wheeler is on and she's taking Pam Bondi to task. She says she's a liability to the Trump administration as a result of the Epstein News and something has to be done. She has to be fired. That's Liz Wheeler, all on today's podcast. Every time you pay a bill, you are casting a vote, not on a ballot, but with your money.

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Together, we'll make a difference. And thanks for standing with us. Now let's get to work. You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck program. Liz Wheeler wrote to me early today. Let me see if I can. May I quote you here, Liz? Yes, you may.

Thanks for having me, Glenn. Okay. Yeah, you bet. She said, give me one good reason why I, I shouldn't scream for Pam Bondi to be fired today. And this was at 5 o'clock of the morning, and I said, I'm sleepy, but I don't think I can. I don't think I can give you a reason not to call for her firing today. But I want you to explain, why do you feel this way?

It's not something that I say lightly. I didn't say it immediately after the White House Epstein-Binder debacle. and I want to very prudently and judiciously make this case to you today and to make this case of President Trump too, because Pam Bondi's become a liability to his administration, despite her loyalty in other areas. So let's start with the announcement from the Department of Justice last night. A lot of us have a lot of questions about this announcement. It just doesn't ring true with a lot of us. We don't, we don't, we see a lot of evidence before our eyes that contradicts what we're being told without evidence to believe by the FBI and the Department of Justice.

And it grates on us because like you mentioned, we are friends with Cash Patel and Dan Bongino. They're the good guys. We trust them. And yet, we have to use our critical thinking faculties and look at the evidence before our eyes. So it smells fishy. You'll notice it says nothing about whether Jeffrey Epstein was an intelligence asset, which, as you mentioned, Alice Acosta, the attorney who cut the sweetheart deal originally with Epstein said he was before Acosta's emails mysteriously disappeared. So we have questions about that. there are also outstanding important questions about Cash Patel and Dan Bongino's definitive

pronouncement that Epstein killed himself. I'm sorry, I don't think the video that they released proves as definitively as they were stating that case because it doesn't show what's happening inside the cell. It just shows the cell door. We don't actually see him kill himself, so that doesn't prove anything. We know that nobody came in or left. Through that door. Where are they going to go through the little bars?

I mean, Dracula, a little bath comes in. I don't know what the internal of that cell looks like. I don't know if they have, if they have fire escape routes. I don't know if they have adjoining doors. I don't know if they have emergency exits. I don't know if that video was doctors or not.

I don't know enough about that to simply take that one piece of evidence. So that's a good point. Just show us the room. Show us what's inside the room. Yeah. We need more evidence. One piece of evidence. I mean, it's great.

I'm glad they released that. It's not enough. Yeah. The other thing, I wonder, too, if Cash Patel and Dan Bongino are relying too much on the FBI's prior investigations, assuming that the FBI of old is a reliable narrator, I don't know who conducted those investigations or if it was done soundly. I doubt it was done soundly. So may I just interject here? I talked to Dan Bongino a few weeks ago about this off air, and he said, Glenn, we are turning over every stone. We are going to get to the bottom of it. We are. So, I mean, he led. me to believe that, and I believed him, and I still do, that he was using new resources, opening the investigation in a new way, following it closely. And I do believe Dan Bongino is one of the good guys. I do too. And I've been told the same thing by very high-ranking officials at the FBI who I trust, they're trustworthy people. I do think that it might not be

possible at this point to piece together everything because we know that there have been reports of destruction. So my issue with that definitive statement was the definitive nature of it, that this 100% happened to this way. Epstein killed himself instead of saying we don't have enough evidence to piece this together or the evidence we have points to this. All that being said, though, I want to talk about what happened last night because this brings us to Attorney General Pam Bondi, who just months ago said she had the Epstein client list on her desk. When I went back and looked at that video, the clip of her on Fox News again this morning, to make sure that there was not context that I was lacking, that there was not bungled phraseology, maybe nerves being on air.

I went back and listened to it. She said definitively she had the Epstein client list on her desk. Now, fast forward to yesterday, she says that it doesn't exist, that they don't have it. That is a really big problem. If I'm president from today... Let me play this from Bondi. This is back in February. Here is the actual statement she made. Listen. The DOJ may be releasing the list of Jeff. Epstein's clients? Will that really happen? It's sitting on my desk right now to review. That's been a directive by President Trump. I'm reviewing that. I'm reviewing JFK files, MLK files. That's all in the process of being reviewed

because that was done at the directive of the president from all of these agencies. So have you seen anything there? You said, oh my gosh? Not yet. Okay. Well, we'll check back with you. Okay, so now let me take you back to Cash Patel because something similar was said to me. Here he is. Cut 12. So who has Jeffrey Epstein's Blackbook? Blackbook?

FBI. But who? That is, I mean, there's... Oh, that's under direct control of the director of the FBI. Just like the manifesto from the Nashville school shooting of the Catholic school. We still haven't seen that, right? it's not the Nashville police or PD saying we don't want this out. The FBI airmailed into that operation and said,

this is not getting out. Because they do that because this is another government gangster operation. All these local law enforcement communities get funding from the DOJ and FBI for local programs. And if you don't cooperate, you're not getting your million dollars for this. And you're not getting your, and that's a lot of money to these local districts. That's how they play the game. That's why you don't have a black book. But the black book, it's not just sitting.

I mean, that's that's Hoover power times 10. And to me, that's a thing I think President Trump should run on. On day one, roll out the black book. And not just that. On day one, roll out all of the text messaging communications we were told were deleted. On day one, play the rest of the video of the pipe bomber. On day, you know, he needs, one of the reforms I talk about in government gangsters is you need a central node to be continuously declassifying. This is another thing they do.

They overclass classify, and I'm telling you as a former number two in the IC, they overclassify 50% of the stuff there to protect the deep state. Oh no, you can't see that. Nothing to see here. Gina was a master at it of doing it. And we still haven't seen half of the Russiagate report that we wrote. Still under lock and key on how the ICA was originally constructed. We put 10,000 man hours against John Brennan's team that did it. and we found out why they came up with their bogus conclusion.

But we couldn't sell it to the world because we couldn't talk about it, and the government gangsters came in and buried it. All of these things, there needs to be a continuing central power, whether it's the White House or offsite that says every request that comes in, just right out the door as long as it's not a major threat to national security. Liz, they're both very clear. It existed, but Pam Bondi did not say she had any names, in it. She kind of made me feel

like she hadn't really even looked at it. Cash Patel gave me the impression he had seen it, or at least he knew about it. So how do we go from here? Listen, people care deeply about the Epstein file because there was a grisly crime that we know

for a fact was committed. Epstein was convicted of that. It wasn't speculative. He was convicted of it. People feel that there's evidence of a cover-up. We're not inventing a conspiracy. There's evidence of a cover-up of this crime. Pam Bondi, as Attorney General, has exacerbated this trust. And it gives me no pleasure to say this, because I like to give the benefit of the doubt to people that are on our side. But going

back to that day at the White House in February, I haven't told this part of the story before. Attorney General Pam Bondi, when we met with her, we weren't at the White House to meet with her, we just met with her while we were there. Pam Bondi bragged to us about making that cover sheet on the binder, the one that read the most transparent administration in history. She said she had made it. She had printed it. She was proud of it. She placed it on that binder. Going to call that a severe lack of judgment would be the understatement of the year. There is no way in my mind. And I have tried every way to Sunday to square that behavior with the announcement that we got last night from the Department of Justice. Pam Bondi told us at the

time. She said, I requested the Epstein files. The files in the binder were the ones given to me. Nothing was in them. She told us at the time. Then a whistleblower called her, she told us, and said the SDNY was hiding other files. That's the story, she told us, that there's been a deep state cover up. So at the time, after we were given these binders, we waited, right? You give your side the benefit of the doubt. Maybe Pam Bondi will come up with the goods, even though the rollout was botched to say the least. But she, this is another thing I have not discussed publicly before.

She said she had not seen the SDNY documents at the time that she was telling us about them. I asked her directly that day in the White House when she said, a whistleblower told us about these truckloads of SDNY documents. I said, have you seen them? She said, no, she sent the request and they're bringing them to her. So contextualizing all of this, suddenly this seems like unforgivable behavior. How could she give the American people, not just me, I don't care about how this impacts me? How could she give the American people those phase one binders that contains nothing,

while at the same time bragging about the cover sheet that she made, the most transparent administration in history, and tell us that the SDNY had the real goods, that the binder was just proof of a deep state cover up. That was the real story she told us, only now to say, sorry, there's actually nothing. So it leaves us with this situation. What are the options? The options as well, was she herself set up by some deep state FBI career officials trying to make a fool of her? It's possible, maybe even probable, but here's the thing. If you are smart, if you are savvy, if you are sharp enough to be the Attorney General of the United States, you verify such information. You don't assume its veracity and publicize it for clicks.

And that's what she did. So then we get to the point that we think, okay, well, what does this say about her judgment? Is she just click thirsty? Is she wanting to be a Fox News start? Did she get out over her skis trying to make news being, you know, a mega champion with those binders that maybe she had not verified the contents of and she definitely hadn't verified the contents of the SDNY truckloads? You can't square this announcement with the binders.

the announcement yesterday with the binders in February, unless you allow for the idea that Pam Bondi could be operating in a way that is unacceptable, went on Fox News, said she had a client list on her desk to review when she actually hadn't looked at the documents and was just saying that to be a television star.

I say this somewhat sorrowfully, if I'm President Trump, I would not tolerate this behavior anymore. She has become a liability to his administration. I think the administration is probably just now coming to the realization of how much goodwill this whole debacle has cost them with their voters. And Pam Bondi is not worth it. She's a liability.

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Chip, it's been a bad weekend for you and those in your district. Our thoughts and our prayers are with all of you. Welcome to the program, Chip Roy. Well, thanks, Glenn. Yeah, it's been a rough go for the folks down at Curville. You know, I've spent most of the last three days there. I came home late yesterday to see my family clean up and get out of the way, you know, because at some point, you know, you want them to be able to kind of do their thing.

But, you know, look, it's also a great testimony to the, you know, strength, resolve, compassion of not just people at Curville, but across Texas and the whole country. There's, like, long waiting lines for people to volunteer. There was a backup, you know, a long line of traffic at the place where people were signing up. Resources are flowing in. Musicians are scheduling benefit concerts. You know, the local state and federal governments are all working. sink. A lot of prayer warriors out there. But man, it's, you know, it's tough. I mean, I drove out there through Camp Mistaking out through Hunt, which is, I think, arguably the most

beautiful part of Texas, certainly one of. And there's a reason there's 18 camps there. It's just an extraordinary part of the state. And, you know, there's just a tight area there where if you get a flash flood like they got with that unprecedented amount of water coming through at that rate, It just comes through and it's just a torrent. And the damage is pretty extraordinary. When I saw houses wiped off foundations, trees laid flat, like massive, huge old Cyprus trees and oak trees just laid flat. A lot of damage to buildings.

But everybody's out there cleaning up and getting after it and we'll keep praying for them and working with them. I know that the Guadalupe rose, what was it, 26 feet in 45 minutes. That's extraordinary. Yeah, and I mean, it's hard to put in perspective. And I tweeted out a picture that we had of a time lapse of what happened out in Lano. And you could see it in about, literally it was about a four-minute span where the water just rose up. I don't know how many feet, but if you look at the video, it's extraordinary,

just engulfing a bridge, filling up an entire river basin. And people were, you know, responding to that tweet, like, oh, my gosh, how does that happen? This is what we deal with in central Texas, generally with flash floods, because we have hard dry ground, we have limestone, with a very thin kind of layer of soil on top, right? And we've been in a drought, so it's particularly been pretty hard. And so, you know, you get then a rain like we got, which is basically a tropical storm type event that just sat and spun in that one location. And that water is going to go somewhere when you're talking 12 to 14. inches of water. And so that's what happened. And it came down. Look, I've seen a lot of different theories on this and people going, oh, well, you know, some people are saying it's, you know,

don't worry, this is not the first time this has happened. They should have been prepared. You know, there was the flood in 1987. There's been floods before. True. Yeah. And they are ready for that sort of thing. But then how ready are you? Well, what you saw here was a level of water that went so fast and so furiously. And remember, between 4 a.m. and 6 a.m., right? It was in that window of July 4th. So, you know, they were prepared for flash flooding, but they were prepared for what you would call normal or even bad flash flooding, not the level that occurred.

And that's what happened. So Dana Bash was on CNN, and she was saying that, you know, it's this, the federal government. And they, you know, the two Texas National Weather Service offices that were involved in forecasting and warning, they were missing some key staff members because of Donald Trump's cuts. However, the records show that they normally have two people that are in there. And because of the warnings that were coming out the night before, they had five people on duty. I mean, can you comment at all about the Trump cuts that have gotten? more people killed now or because of global warming? Yeah, I mean, it's all just so absurd.

First of all, take one step back. The finger pointing generally is just offensive. When you're dealing with trying to find bodies and trying to deal with families grieving, like night before last, I was with the families who have not been able to find their daughters or who are learning the bad news about their daughters. So that's where I was night before last. I don't know where Dana Bash was, but she wasn't there. And we're down on the ground with first responders trying to find people.

And we're trying to clean up debris. And we're trying to help a community heal. And we're trying to deal with you got a camp director who died trying to save little girls. And I'm there with his daughter, who is now there with the families of the people who lost their little girls at this camp. And she was there because she loves them. And you know how hard that was? and that you got these people like Dana Bash who were out there, you know,

making this conjecture about budget cuts or the Trump administration didn't have people there, which first of all is false, which is not true. And second of all, whatever we're going to do in analyzing all of this, do it in a week or two or in a month when we can sit back and take in all the facts.

We used to be a country that would do that. And instead now it's all about this politicization and this, you know, recriminations and trying to exploit. We got media who are tracking down the family members right now. And when the families say, guys, we don't want to talk, they go dig up stuff on social media, put pictures up on their kids. Kids who were alive 72 hours ago aren't alive now, and they're grieving. So that's the kind of crap we're dealing with.

And with all due respect to Dana, it's just not true, okay? And by the way, you know, whatever the National Weather Service was doing, do you and I both believe that there's probably bureaucracy at NOAA and in commerce that could be made better? Yeah, I'm sure you and I believe that, and I know President Trump believes that. Should we improve it? Probably. But to say they weren't doing their job and they didn't have the resources, there is a lot. Well.

So that's when you try to politicize it instead of pursue facts. Let me just say this. There was a flash flood flood watch that was. issued at 1241 in the morning. Then a flash flood warning was at 1.14 a.m. Flash flood emergency was issued at 5.34 a.m. The problem is, I mean, I don't know about you, but I'm not getting my flash flood warnings at that time.

This area doesn't have a great cell service, if cell service, in some of these areas. So you're not getting any of those kinds of warnings. and the area had gone through, should we put up, you know, like air raid sirens, you know, tornado warning sirens, should we put those up? And the town decided not to do it. I mean, this is years ago. I mean, I think it looks like everybody did what they were supposed to do. It happened in the middle of the night.

Yeah, and if I look at this, and I haven't studied at all what decisions were made, you know, by Kirk County or by the state or anything else. I know there were some stuff about a bill that was, you know, debated this last session and who voted for, who didn't. None of that really matters. The question really is, it doesn't matter at this moment. It will matter in the long run. The question for me is, you know, my gut and instinct is you need sirens. That's my gut.

That's my quick reaction is that you need sirens, right? People in Tornado Alley and they live up, you know, they have sirens. So in a place like this that has flash floods that occur every decade or two or five, and some can get bad. Great. You're going to need sirens. You need a plan to get to high. ground. That's my gut. But we'll talk to the locals in the state and the feds. But look, here's the thing that's kind of interesting to me. If you look through it all, say, okay, there's

warnings were put out. So what are the double-edged swords here? Sometimes we get flash flood alerts. I mean, you know this in Texas, even in the Dallas-Fourth area, but certainly down here, we get them a lot. So you kind of pay attention even when you get it in the middle of the day. Like I pay attention up as a dad to go, all right, okay, make sure everything's good. But you get them a lot. And here's a problem. When you get like, well, we're going to get two to four inches of rain or we're going to get four to six inches of rain. And you hear that, you go, okay, that's a lot of rain. Okay, but it sounds normal. The question here is when National Weather Service, when the state government, those folks, our Texas Department of Emergency Management started moving resources there because their view of the

tropical storm, combined with what they were getting for the National Weather Service, told them that, yeah, this is starting to get a little bit interesting. So some of that was happening. People were paying attention. People were preparing. But it was an extraordinary event. So a question can be asked. Well, who knew it was an extraordinary event?

And when did they know it? Did anybody? How are they going to get the information? Chip, how is anybody going to get the information to people? Even if they did know it, at 3 o'clock in the morning without sirens? That's right. That's to me. That's my starting position. And then the question becomes, you know, before that, it's like, well, who knew what? My observation of all this is the president, the federal government was doing what they normally do and more and some sent more people. We're on top of it. They put out notices. And we'll have to go through and see, okay, you know, there were different meteorologists who, for my observation here in Texas, we're all still observing this late in the night. There's a local guy. Austin, who's pretty good. And he was tracking it. I was tracking it, Glenn, from D.C. You know why I was tracking it? Because I was trying to decide if I was going to go to Curville, where I go every year for

the Fourth of July, for a big concert with my family. Then President Trump asked, and his team asked if I would stay for the bill signing. And so we made a decision, okay, it looks like it's going to rain in Curville, but we didn't know it was going to be catastrophic. That's my point. I was following it. And it looked like it was going to be heavy rains. And then it got a lot worse, late night. And then the warnings went out. But to your point, you've got to have sirens. That's my observation.

You're streaming the best of Glenn Beck. To hear more of this interview and others, download the full show podcasts wherever you get podcasts. All right. We welcome Stubergear to the program, our executive producer, and our head writer for television, and also our chief researcher, Jason Butchrill. guys, biggest story of the day, in your opinion, Stu, first. The floods, without a doubt, I think is the biggest story of the day. You know why you say that?

Because you have a heart. Now listen to Jason. Listen to Jason. He's not going to say that. Go ahead, Jason. What's the biggest story of the day? I'm madder than I'll get out, Glenn. It's all about this Epstein crap.

I don't even get you in trouble right now. I don't know if I should. Yeah, well, I don't. Hang on, Grinch. I want to hear a little bit. I want to hear about really people dying before we get to you, Jason. So, Stu, what is the, what is the, I mean, besides the amazing rescues, did you hear about the guy who was in his home?

I think it was a trailer with his, maybe his mother-in-law or his wife. I think it was his mother-in-law. And two children, they couldn't get out. By the time it was up to their ankles. and by the time he gathered all the children and tried to open the door, it was up to the waist, and he couldn't open the door. And so he broke the bedroom window and took the mattress and was shoving it out the window with his kids on top of it.

And he cut his arm and sliced the artery on the broken glass, slice the artery, almost, I mean, almost cut his arm completely off. He's hemorrhaging as he's still pushing the kids and everybody out the window. And at the very end, he says, I'm not going to make it, but stay safe. I love you. And he dies. Yeah. Rescuing his family.

I mean, it's amazing stories coming out of this. Yeah. I mean, it's one of the worst stories that I can remember a long time. Certain stories hit you in different ways, right? Like I always thought, you know, and maybe it's, you know, the era of life that you're in, right? Like I was had, you know, very, you're at the beginning of, I have kids that like were going to camp or thinking about going to camp this year. They're right around the age of group of these girls that were killed. And, you know, you think about back to like, the other one that always hits me like this is Newtown.

You know, obviously all these shootings are different. But like the Newtown one in particular, just, you know, five-year-olds and like just completely, you know, completely innocent and just awful. So it hits me, it hits you at that level. And then you also see the reaction to it, which has just been so ridiculous, all these false claims about how, well, it's the budget cuts that a reason for this. It's absurd, heartless people who are making these political points on the backs of dead children. It's disgraceful. I mean, especially when you know the facts, two people usually are on duty, you know, at Noah. there were five on duty because they knew the storm was coming.

All of this stuff about budget, I can't take it. I did something poorly, you know, an hour one of the podcast today. And, you know, I just can't take the, I cannot take the moral, I don't know, snobbery of the left anymore. The fact that just, they're just, they're morally superior to every. everybody else. And we know. And that's why the budget shouldn't have been cut. You have no idea what you're even talking

about. Stop it. Just stop it. All right. So, Jason, with your heart full of compassion or tinsel, I can't remember which one it is, you're saying the Epstein story is the biggest. And why is that? Because I think

Epstein is not the story. I think it is the truck or the vehicle that is bringing this story, but what the real story is here is the lack of justice, it seems. Yeah, and you're right there how I'm feeling on this. I mean, we've gone from, let's just go do a quick flyby at the timeline. We've gone from, we're going to release the Epstein list. We're going to figure this out. Then, you know, the next year or so it went to, well, we just need more time to do this, as Pam Bondi was saying. And then Pam Bondi,

again, the Epstein list is on my desk. And now there is no Epstein list. We're not sure what you're talking about. I'm just predicting the future. Hang on. Don't just stop it. It's on my desk. Then the next line from her was they are stopping us from getting all of the information we need in New York City at the FBI office. And that's when I got on the air and said, if that is true, why aren't you?

you there arresting those people who are being insubordinate in the pursuit of justice. And nothing happened, which just didn't ring true to me. There's something wrong. Right. And before I get to that point, I'll just say that in the future, we're now going to be saying that Epstein never existed, period. He is a made-up person. We don't even know who? He's probably scrubbed from the internet at that point. But I, Glenn, the only thing I can come up with, here. There's two explanations, right? Do you want the dark one or the not so dark one first? I'll let you choose. Well, I mean, I go with a dark one first so then we have a happy ending. Okay. So this is the dark one. Why have these things not gotten out? Why is the list not gotten out? Why is this still being a secret?

Imagine, if you will, for a second, the economic impact of, let's say there is a list, the economic impact that multiple major C.E. EOS, Fortune 500 guys, the richest people in the world are on this list. Now, imagine having to choose, do we let this out? And then you're like right there, you know, talking to the big decision makers. If we let this out, the U.S. economy will take this hit, this hit, this hit, this hit. Can we do that right now? And imagine that this has gone through multiple different presidential administrations with the same exact choice to make. Are they willing to let that happen?

Can I tell you something? Can I tell you something? I learned something about myself. I think it was last week or the week after or the week before. What was the week when we bombed Iran? It feels like 14 years ago. Doesn't it? It's so weird how this happens. When we were going through that, I wrestled with my, I know about Iran.

I know the threat they pose. I know the threat they pose to the United States of America. But as I put myself in Donald Trump's shoes, I thought, this is why I couldn't be president. Could I make the choice that I'm so certain that I could be the guy that started World War III? You know, it's a very long, the presidency is a very lonely place. It all rest on you. And I just didn't think I would, you know, I said to myself, well, that's why you're not president,

nor should you ever run for president. Because I don't know if I would have had the guts to do what he did, which I think is the right thing. on this one, oh, the economy crashes because we have people who are pedophiles, I shut the whole country down. I don't really care. I don't care. The economy collapses. Good. It should collapse.

This cannot stand. This is children being molested. I don't lose a wink of sleep if the economy nose dives. Do you? I don't. I've never been in that position to where I have to make that call. I would like to say, yes, I would not. I would do exactly what you said that they would do, but I don't, who knows what goes on behind closed doors?

And you went geopolitical there. That was my other half to that dark scenario was multiple different world leaders, world leaders that you have trade agreements with, that you have multiple defense packs with, all those things. What if they're on there? What do you do? Now, what do you do? There's phone conversation between their intelligence communities, yours, the leaders themselves. Do you let this out? And again, this goes back.

multiple different presidential administrations. Who knows? Can I tell you what went through my head when you said that? I first thought, well, this is how bad. This is another reason why I'm not president, is because if I had world leaders on that list, yeah, I would probably hold their names back only if they gave me everything I wanted. I mean, I would use it as political blackmail.

I would be like, yeah, you know what? Yeah, your tariff is going to be 80% now. Okay. And by the way, you know who's on our side all the time? No questions asked. I think about bombing, you know, a couple of neighborhoods in your country. Guess who's going to be leading it? You know, I mean, it's so bad to say that, but I would be tempted to go, oh, well, we're going to get a few things that need to be done, done.

Okay, so you went exactly to the lighter explanation. So in my mind, there's only two. But your mind went exactly to the, so this is the light side. the only other explanation I could think of why this is happening. The second one is, we know the intelligence community is involved in this somehow. Like Liz Wheeler said. Why do you say that?

Why do you say that? The CIA director does not just go and pay attention to in a direct meeting with a guy involved in a, if it's a low-end sex trafficking case, he doesn't just go there because it's a low-end sex trafficking case and have meetings. Doesn't do it. Give me the actual scenario on who visited and where in the timeline was it?

This was Biden's CIA director last administration. It might even happen before he was CIA director, had multiple meetings with Epstein himself. And then even before that, as you mentioned before, Alex Acosta, when he was with DOJ handling this case, said, I was told to back off. I was told he, quote, belong to intelligence. Correct.

We know the intelligence community was involved some way if the reporting is accurate. Which is, you know, we can allow for potentially some of it not being. And, you know, you do have at times whistleblowers that aren't accurate on their claims. Yeah. So if not, I would love to hear those specific explanations. Sure. Which we haven't happened yet. So the lightest explanation I can think of is that, and this is similar to because I, Glenn, you know, you had me go deep into the JFK files.

some of the things we found once we got into them was that, well, there was a lot of conversations that sounded guilty in the JFK assassination stuff. It made the CIA look not great in multiple different areas. So the lightest possible explanation I can think of here is that the intelligence community at least thought about allegedly, possibly leveraging this situation. Like, oh my gosh, who was involved? maybe we can somehow leverage this in our favor somehow, whether that's through trade deals, whether that's through defense backs, whatever.

Think of something. It was discussed. Possibly it was never acted upon, who knows, but they look guilty somehow. And if that's the case, we won't find this out for another 50 years once they have another JFK file release, something like that.

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