The Glenn Beck Program - Best of the Program | Guests: Salena Zito & Augustus Doricko | 7/9/25

Episode Date: July 9, 2025

Glenn reiterates the glaring issues with how the Trump administration has handled the Epstein files and gives his reasoning as to why President Trump has appeared to change his tune regarding releasing the Epstein client list. Salena Zito, author of "Butler: The Untold Story of the Near Assassination of Donald Trump and the Fight for America's Heartland," joins to further discuss what she witnessed on the day Trump was almost assassinated. Rainmaker founder and CEO Augustus Doricko joins to explain what cloud seeding is and if it's to blame for the recent devastating Texas floods.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Why did President Trump shut down a reporter's question about controversial death of Jeffrey Epstein yesterday? I have some theories on that one. Also, the author of Butler, the untold story of the near assassination of Donald Trump. We dive into the life of the kid that tried to assassinate Trump in Pennsylvania. Plus, were the floods in central Texas and New Mexico due to an act of cloud seeding? Rainmaker founder and CEO, Augustus Dorico, explains the science behind cloud seeding. You should hear him out. Let me tell you about real estate agents I trust.

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And by the way, this press conference lasted about two hours, which is longer than I believe all of the cabinet meetings that Joe Biden held over four years. All of them combined, I think just the press conference in that cabinet room was longer. But he starts out in one of the first questions that is about Epstein.

and goes to Pam Bondi. And the president stops, dead and in tracks. And do we have the audio, please? Here's what he said. Jeffrey Epstein, it left some lingering mysteries. One of the biggest ones is whether he ever worked for a American or foreign intelligence agency, the former Labor Secretary who was Miami U.S. attorney, Alex Costa, he allegedly said that he did work for an intelligence agency.

So could you resolve whether or not he? did and also could you say why there was a minute missing from the jailhouse tea on the night and yeah sure if i could i just enter a little second are you still talking about geoffrey epstein this guy's been talked about for years you're asking we have texas we have this we have all of the things and are people still talking about this guy this creep that is unbelievable do you want to waste the time and do you feel like answer i i don't mind answering i mean i can't if you're asking a question on Epstein at a time like this where we're having some of the greatest success and and also tragedy with what happened in Texas. It just seems like a desecration.

Okay. That seemed odd to me because he ran on Jeffrey Epstein. He ran on I'm going to release everything. So there's a couple of ways to look at this. He feels he did release everything. There's nothing to see here. Okay. Um, the, and if that is true, then, quite honestly, I stand by what I said yesterday, Pam Bondi should be fired for the way she rolled this out. It was horrible. It's one of the worst, uh, rollouts of quote unquote, the truth I've ever seen. Um, you know, just the, just, just, just the videotape alone. Now she came out and she said, well, there's that one minute. Okay, that's fine. That one minute, I don't think is enough to show, you know, anything. It was edited, we thought, yesterday. And she said it comes out and every year or

every day there's a reset just before midnight. I checked with, you know, security experts. That's absolutely true. Not all systems do that, but some systems do. There's a whole bunch of things we could go down that road on, but we don't need to. But why wouldn't you say that? Why would you, know, how did you miss that one minute? Okay. Second thing, it's not pointing at the door. It shows nothing. It shows nothing. But we can nitpick for everything. I personally think we have seen a massive change in the White House and in the way this was being handled. At first, we're going to release everything.

And then I have it on my desk. Then I have it on my desk and I'm going to release it probably tomorrow. And then when that didn't happen, then it was the FBI in New York. This is all Pampondi. The FBI in New York is thwarting our efforts. And there are people in New York that are trying to keep this information away from us. And now there's nothing. Nobody was arrested for trying to keep information away from her.

What is that? That's mass incompetence, mass incompetence. So she should be fired. He's not going to fire her. Because I think there's also something else going on. I think, you know, and people are like, well, that's that, you know, Donald Trump, it's because his name is in it. No, no, it's not.

If you believe Donald Trump, the guy has models hanging off of every, single finger that he has. If he wants the models, he's got the models. And they're all over age. And it doesn't seem to me that he's ever shown any, any. I mean, just that's stupid to believe that he would be with a 15-year-old girl. Stupid. Are there people like that?

Yeah. I don't think he's one of them. And he had a falling out with Jeffrey Epstein and everything else. So I just don't believe that that is the deal. And I think you're wildly misguided if you do. But to each is on, I guess. Now, what do I think possibly happened? I personally believe that he was an operative.

I think he was an intelligence operative. And, you know, you can say all you want, but when you're president of the United States and the intelligence agencies come to you and sit you down and say, okay, here's what happens, Mr. President, when you release this. You have, let's just say, there wasn't 5,000 people involved. There was four, four. one of them was Prince Andrew.

Okay? So, all right, go ahead, release that. You know what that says? That says that he was an operative working for us, and Prince Andrew was caught in this honey trap. So now the United States of America just took one of their biggest, oldest allies, and roped this guy into a honey trap.

For what? For what, Mr. President? For what? I don't know for what. Yeah, well, maybe we got nothing out of that. but this was a CIA operation. And it just happened to backfire on our biggest ally. Do you think the world is going to stand for that with everything else that we've done?

No, I don't. Now, I don't know what decision I would make if I were president of the United States. I would think, I would hope that I would say, release it because we have to clean it up. Not my fault. Not my fault. Happened years ago. We're not doing it anymore. and I'm making sure, and the only way to make sure that we disinfect is to fire all the people that were involved,

make sure that it doesn't happen again, and make an example out of people. That's what I would hope I would do. That's what I would hope the president would do. But I have a feeling that he's not afraid of him being exposed. He's not afraid of him being killed by the CIA. I think he is making a decision that he believes is right for the country. But he's not going to say that. Now, why would I jump to this conclusion?

because Donald Trump is a very, very, very smart guy and he knows how to handle the press and everything else. What did he do? Instead of saying, Pam, you blew this rolling out. Look, America, there's nothing going on here. There's nothing going on. And I'm going to get to work on other things, but I understand because we talked about it on the campaign trail.

So I understand your interest in this, but there's nothing. Instead, what he said was, what a stupid question. that is. Have you ever heard of a dumber question with all the stuff that's going on? Pam, do you even want to answer that dumb question? Yeah, I'll take it, Mr. President. I just, I mean, and then looking right at the reporter, I can't believe you even ask that question. What a stupid question that is. What did he just do? He made sure in that room there was only one question about Epstein. Had he not done that, there would have been follow-up questions. What Donald Trump just did was single one reporter out and say,

you're going to be that stupid to ask that question. Now nobody wants to ask the follow-up question. And only a few people will. Now, I'm not a reporter. We will continue to follow this story. But I have a feeling until you have somebody like Schellenberger that are going to dedicate their whole thing to exposing this, because I do think there's stuff here.

But until you have Schellenberger or somebody like that, going after it and and really doing, you know, 24-7 kind of gum-shoe work. I don't think you're going to find anything else. Nothing else is coming from the government. That was clear yesterday. That's all you get. That's it. It's over.

Move on. I don't suggest we move on, but that's all the information we're going to get officially. Okay. Now, let me change to another story that has been brewing since July 4th. that is really important. And as the days go on, it gets more and more important. There was an attack on July 4th on ice. And this is looking more and more well coordinated.

And there are three stories that I want to tie together that will show you what is coming. We can talk about Epstein, and I think it's very important that we do. We can talk about Epstein, but that is only going to solve what was in the past, as well as what is still in Intel. But this one is on the near horizon. And I think we need to talk about this one in depth today.

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Now let's get to work. Selena, welcome to the program. Hey, Glenn, thanks so much for having me on. Thank you. I'm sorry to, you know, drag you over into two. days here, but I appreciate your willingness to do so yesterday. I want to now talk about, I mean, the first part of your book is stunning. What you saw personally just five feet away from the president. You're on the ground covered by a secret service agent while he's on the ground

covered by a service. And you can hear everything he's saying. And then you see him, you know, you saw him before. Then he calls you the next day because you were supposed to go on the plane with him. And he calls you the next day like seven or eight times. In your book, you really explain what happened afterwards with the crowd, which I've never seen anywhere else. And you explain Red State America in a way that if people cared to know the truth about who we really are, they would read it and they would understand. And they would see, oh, my gosh, they're not monsters. They really do believe some of these things, you know, about America. And that's how they live their lives. But let's go in now to the shooter. Who was he? How did it happen? How did nobody

catch it? What happened on the roof? And why did nobody care? Yeah, you know, Thomas Matthew Crooks, in many ways, Glenn, is very symbolic of the collapse of very once trusted institutions in our country that have failed us all the way around. So what do I mean by that? So this was not, first of all, when it comes to my profession, this is not something that has been deeply investigated in the way that shiny objects are given to detail by some of the best investigative journalists in this country. There was no, there was a complete void of intellectual curiosity to get to the bottom. of this. The other problem is the collapse of our trust. And at one time, one of the most vaunted parts of our government, and that is our Secret Service, right? The competency,

the incompetency of that day, the failure to loop everyone together, which, by the way, was one of the most important instructions from 9-11, right? We didn't, our agencies didn't talk to each Right? That's why we created the Patriot Act. Exactly. So how in the heck can you, knowing that there's going to be 50,000 people there in a wide open farm field with trees, a water tower and outbuildings all surrounding the perimeter in very close range of the stage? How is it that there was no communication set up between the different agencies? How is it that it wasn't fully and robustly stacked?

And that they know this information that he is already the target of Iran? He's also symbolic of that. But he's also symbolic, and we don't talk about this enough in a meaningful way, in how we handle mental illness in this country. We shove it aside. We pretend it's not happening. We try to medicate it. Mostly people try to ignore it.

And this is a young man for all intent and purposes. Had pretty much led a normal but quiet life. That after COVID and all the isolation that went along with that, he began to unravel. And that unraveling happened at a warp speed. in the last six months of his life. And he was, this, you know, this should have been a red flag to someone who cared about him. He's at the gun range almost every day, went down to the gun range and checked the logs.

He is there almost every day. And he's there not just on, during the, you know, a regular day. So they're on days like Thanksgiving tells you this is someone that is lonely and this is someone is isolated. and this is someone who has no support system around him. The challenge with... Hang on, hang on just a second. I could see, because I'm a parent, I could see as a parent, you know,

you don't understand how kids are growing up today. You don't understand the world they live in at all. And I could see, I mean, I used to spend, you know, working at a radio station, 13, 14, 15 years old. I was gone all the holidays. I spent it. And you could say, well, he's, isolate, he's lonely, or you could say he's just really into this and he is, you know, doing something

about it and it's what he loves and let's let him get him through this period. So why is this a sign of mental illness? Well, it's a sign of isolation and loneliness. And that means there's a vulnerability there, right? And as a parent, we always, we're always. teamly aware of vulnerabilities in our children. And or if we have friends, and, and they may mean mean nothing,

but they also mean, mean something profound. And, and, and, and that gets to my fourth problem. It's just the sort of collapse of the American family. And, and, and, and, and how we take care of our children and how we watch our children. And, and do we put a screen in front of them, right? Is that how we. medicate them, right? Is that how we

get them to just be calm and quiet and go in another room? Because we don't want to deal with it. And so... Can I present another option here? And it's just because I just finished raising two teenagers. It's not necessarily because you want to just go

in the other room being quiet. You have no idea. Selina, I raised four kids, a generation apart. And I got to tell you, raising the first set was not the same as raising the second set. They're and it's totally different from my childhood.

And you spend a lot of time thinking, okay, this is not a good thing, but how do I deal with this without setting, making things worse? How do I, you know, what kind of space do I give them because they are teenagers and they have to rebel? How do I remain in their life? I mean, it is so complex now to be able to raise. teenagers and you are seeing major signs, but you don't necessarily know that that's a major sign, or if it is, you don't have any idea how to deal with it.

Absolutely. You know, in the book, I have the transcript of his father calling the police. And you can tell in that conversation and in the details that he is giving the 911 operator, that he had a feeling something was going on with his son, that he reveals it. And every parent will read that and say, and every parent that's had a child that they've been concerned about will read that and say, he knew something was wrong. And this is a young man, by the way. His grandfather was a Vietnam War, not just a Vietnam War veteran.

He was a Vietnam War officer in the military. Very highly respected a man in the community, very involved in the community. When he passed away 10 years before last year, he wrote in the obituary his great love for his grandson. And you fast forward to today where his wife, Thomas Crook's, Thomas Matthew Cook's grandmother, what says she wants nothing to do with this family and hasn't for a while. So what happened, you know, and, and part of the challenge in, in reporting about him is that the family lawyered up. He was cremated and, and, and, and the Secret Service was giving absolutely no information.

There's only so, no, now, I know there's other. investigative journalist, I will be the first to say that is not my skill set. You know, I can go so far, but, but, you know, records and things like that, you know, the way that they can do it. Yeah. That's not, you know, my biggest skill set. But, you know, going into the community, talking to the neighbors, talking to people, you know, reexamining this life, it paints a picture that, you know, In hindsight, you could say, well, the warning signs were there. So was this, what motivated him? The problem with this young man is that he left no digital footprint, which is very rare.

Isn't that weird? That is for someone in his age. It could be as simple. I have gone back and forth in my head and in conversations with people. It could be as simple in his decline in mental health that he was laughed off of the rifle team because his shot was so bad. And he didn't make the team just a couple years earlier. And he wanted to prove to everyone that he was a good shot. And there doesn't seem to be any evidence that this was politically motivated.

He had registered as a Republican, but he also gave money to Democrats. So it doesn't appear to be ideological as much as, to me, this is my takeaway. I'm going to prove to everyone, I am good at this. I am a sharpshooter and screw everyone that laughed at me that day. You know, think about the movie Carrie, right? everybody's laughing right think about that and the vulnerability of that teenager and nobody's laughing anymore

I made those shots so what about the the phones that he had connections to you know foreign you know operatives or whatever that was anything there Selena not that we know of but I do know that

this is something that's still being investigated and still being uncovered and I think part of the reason why it's still being investigated because it wasn't investigated as robustly as it should have been last year so we have several things going on it seems at once including the press as you said yesterday you were on the ground with a Secret Service agent on top of you you're hearing the president, you're seeing the blood. And reporters are already saying that the president was hit by a shard of glass. Yeah.

There was no real interest in pursuing this story because they knew, I think, they knew this was going to do really good things for his campaign. Yeah, I think they saw this and looked at it and said, oh boy, this is this is going to have an impact and they they did whatever they could to muffle it i mean three days later we're talking about joe biden dropping out as the biggest story and i'm thinking i'm still got bruises all over myself wondering how are we not talking about this i'm going to the funeral of cori compitori and and seeing a family completely shredded and and And I'm just so, you read throughout the book as I continue to cover this election,

as everything is changing in such fast motion in ways that people, when they read this book, they will say, why weren't people reporting this? You know, and it was so frustrating for me. I sometimes imagine myself as sort of like Snoopy jumping up and, you know, down and screaming and nobody's hearing me because there was so much happening. And also, you know, I also covered the Harris campaign and the unbelievable decisions that they made that nobody wrote about. Nobody covered. Nobody thought this is a red flag. This is the best of the Glenn Beck program.

Augustus Dorico is with us. He is the founder and CEO of Rainmaker. This is a cloud seating company. Welcome, Augustus. How are you? Hi, Glenn. I'm blessed. I appreciate you having me here. And again, still, my heart and prayers go out to all the people of Texas. I'm here in Dallas now, actually. And though we didn't have anything to do with the flooding, I still am praying for everybody affected by it. It has got to be pretty disturbing for you to hear that you are being blamed. for, you know, cloud seeding and knowing science. I have to tell you, I don't know much about cloud seating. It bothers me what I see over in England, but I, again, haven't taken the time to really look into it.

So explain what cloud seating does and how you know you didn't have anything to do with that. Yeah, I can also explain to you what cloud seating does and what cloud seating is not, right? Because you're referencing something from England that we can talk about in a second. So cloud seeding is a technology developed in the United States in the 1940s to increase water supply for farms, for ecosystem conservation, for reservoirs, for residences, and also our industries. It relies on identifying liquid in clouds and then releasing particulate, specifically silver-eyed into those clouds that the water freezes onto into big snowflakes and then become heavy

enough to fall as rain. Cloud seeding has been going on in the United States for decades. It, again, is paid for by farmers and utilities and government entities that want more water for their constituents. Just a second. So I live up in the high desert in the summer, and I have a farm and a ranch, and we pray for rain every year, but we're in the high desert. It wouldn't work here because we don't have the clouds, right? So first of all, I think you should keep praying for rain. I'm grateful to have gotten saved when I was 20 years old and baptized in Dallas, actually.

I think that, like, this is all God's world and it's our responsibility to steward it, right? And insofar as we can help make more water for people and ecosystems here, that's my primary interest. Just because you're in the high desert doesn't mean that you can't have cloud seating. If there aren't clouds, then you can't make it rain more. but sometimes there are, and also the aquifers nearby are recharge from cloudier regions not so far away. And so you can actually benefit from programs nearby as well. Now, to clarify, cloud seeding, the best operations we've ever seen from either rainmaker's own work or the National Center for Atmospheric Research or other institutions can produce tens of millions of gallons of

precipitation distributed over hundreds of square miles over the course of about an hour or two. The remnants of tropical storm berry that blew in and caused the flooding, that storm dumped trillions of gallons. It's about a million times less than what the biggest and best cloud seeding operations can do right now. Now, that said as well, when you referenced England, right, cloud seeding is not solar radiation modification, nor is it chemtrails, right? Solar radiation modification is a real technology that people are investigating and developing and increasingly deploying to release reflective particles into the upper atmosphere to cool down the planet,

to dim the sun and cool the planet down. Cloud seeding, although it is also in the atmosphere, I think that it's something that deserves a ton of scrutiny. Totally agree. Yeah, I think so, yeah, yeah. But cloud feeding has nothing to do with that. Cloud seeding requires existing puffy clouds, full of water, to be there in order to make them precipitate a little bit more. Now, if you see a long streak in the sky behind an airplane, that also is not cloud seeding, whether that's a natural contrail or a chem trail. I haven't seen any evidence to suggest that chemtrails are malevolently being put down by the government or some other nefarious party, but regardless of which it is, a chem trail or contrail, it has nothing to do with cloud seeding either, because producing clouds

is not what cloud seeding does. Cloud seeding relies on existing clouds to make them rain more. And those long streaks in the sky, those are mostly ice. There's not enough. water in them to seed in the first place. And they're also like 20,000 feet higher in the atmosphere than where all of our cloud seeding operations take place. Okay. So you went out, what day, Thursday and cloud seeded in Texas? July 2nd, we flew about a 20-minute flight where we seeded two clouds, two small clouds with about 70 grams worth of silver iodide. That's about 10 skittles worth of material and those clouds dissipated about two hours after the event. Any rain?

Yeah. Okay. And they dissipated and they don't remain up in the atmosphere, right? The clouds, the skittles. The skittles. The skittles of material. They could not have stayed suspended in the atmosphere by the time that the flooding started happening.

Okay. And then the flood, that was a storm that rolls in and was not part of the system that you seated, correct? Correct. And also, it's worth noting that a lot of people have said, well, this shouldn't go on without any oversight. And I totally agree. And I think that there should be even more regulatory scrutiny and oversight and reporting requirements so that these operations are totally transparent. but there actually are regulations in Texas through the Texas Department of Licensing and Regulation that have suspension criteria. And suspension criteria are these meteorological conditions, these weather conditions, these issuances and notifications from the National Weather Service that say,

hey, if there is a flash flood warning, if the soil is already too saturated, if cloud seeding would cause any flooding, you have to suspend operations. And not only did we suspend operations in adherence with the regulations from the state of Texas. But we actually, because our meteorologists were very proactive, suspended operations a day in advance of any warnings that would have regulatoryly mandated us to. Because we, at Rainmaker, earnestly believe that, like, this is God's kingdom to steward. And it is our job to do no harm and do as much good as we can. And so if we can bias towards being cautious, not so cautious that we ban this technology and prevent farmers from having water from it,

But if we can be cautious in our operations such that we mitigate any potential for any damage, which we did and do, I'm all for that. That's what everybody's opinion is at my company. So I know China is doing cloud seeding up in the mountains to get much more snow up in the mountains, so then they have the water, the runoff, et cetera, et cetera. Are they ahead of us? Is this what we're doing? Is it the same thing? So China, just for context, the United States a year ago spent $2.4 million on cloud seeding research, right, to investigate how to produce more water for American farms, to save the Colorado River, to refill our aquifers, right? $2.4 million total, and that was a one-off. China has an annual budget of $1.4 billion for cloud seeding and weather modification. They have 35,000 employees in their weather modification office. They have two universities that offer bachelor's degrees in weather engineering, not meteorology,

not atmospheric science, but specifically how to engineer the weather. And if the United States bans this technology wholesale, if we don't regulate it and monitor where it's going on so that we have a transparent account of the activities, not only will we be behind China, but we won't have regulatory statutes or the capability to monitor who is modifying the weather in the United States and otherwise. Okay, so tell me the difference between weather modification, which sounds scary, and cloud seeding. Totally, totally. I think the bigger distinction to make is between weather modification, which cloud seeding is a kind of, and geoengineering, right? So cloud seeding is a way to make more water, right? You are modifying the weather by making it

rain or snow a little bit more. Geoengineering is a global climatic intervention designed to either cool the planet down or create, you know, reflective high altitude clouds. And that has, again, nothing to do with cloud seeding, which is a form of weather modification. And to your point, about it sounding scary, right, I could try to do some sort of slimy PR thing and say like, oh, cloud seeding is not weather modification. But fact of the matter is like making it precipitate a little bit more is modifying the weather. And I think that I would rather be totally transparent about that and also say, like, it's something that we should regulate and it's something that we should be cautious about. And we should approach it with a mindset of stewardship.

But still, if we were to ban it hold sale, not only would we deprive Americans of having access to more water from it, but also we'd be liable to other countries continuing to do it without it from us. So you remember the big hurricane that happened and we were hit by two. One came and hit Florida, and then the other one came barreling in to North Carolina up from Florida. And people said, that was weather modification. That was, that, they cloud seeded that and they modified that and they even steered that. I never believed any of that stuff. But can it be done? Can that be done?

No. No, at this point in time, cannot be done. The modification of a hurricane such that would either increase or reduce the winds, increase or reduce the damage done by it, that is not something that is doable. Now, that being said, it's worth talking about something called Project Storm Fury, where in the last century, the United States Weather Bureau and Air Force conducted flights over the Atlantic to try to seed hurricanes to mitigate the damage that they would do by the time they broke against the eastern seaboard.

And we stopped that program because we didn't have. what's called attribution, right? We didn't have the right radar. We didn't have any good satellites to measure what the effect from the seating was. The reason why cloud seating is coming back into the discourse now, why it's a viable technology that people are paying for, is because we can measure what the results of our operations are. And I would say that although Milton and Helene, I've seen no evidence of having been modified, and I'm totally open-minded about that. And if anybody does have it, I would happily scrutinize it and talk about it. But despite not believing those to be modified, it is worth thinking about the fact that, you know, like at the beginning of time in Genesis

126 through 28, one of the first commandments we were given before the fall while we were still in the garden, right? Before sin, God told us to take dominion over and steward the earth to seize, the skies, and everything they're in. And so should we now be concerned about making more water for our farms, absolutely, should we at least consider a potential world with extreme caution? And again, a mindset of like prayerful stewardship, the notion that we could mitigate severe weather in the future, I think that it would be abdicating our responsibility to try to tend to the world that God gave us if we didn't at least think about it. I am not advocating we do that now or anytime soon or without severe scrutiny from the federal government and transparency for everybody. But

it's something that may at some point in the future be able to benefit fields. folks. Yeah, I mean, I don't mind looking into technology. I just wish we would slow down sometimes. You know, with what's happening with AI, we've seen the damage that social media did. Now we're going into AI and it's coming at us faster and we have no idea what it's going to do. You know, when you're throwing stuff up, you know, whether it's chemtrails or whatever, I don't know enough about it, but I sure would like to be in part of the discussion on some of these things. I'd like to have our government say, hey, what do you think? Are we going to do this or not?

And leave it up to the people. We're talking about doing some things to the planet that might be good, but also could be horrible. And, you know, the arrogance on some of this stuff really bothers me. Augustus, thank you so much for having a frank conversation with us. I pray for you and your family and all the coworkers. at Raymaker, who I know feel, you know, it's obvious you feel for the families, et cetera, et cetera, but now to be blamed for it is, it's got to be hard. It's got to be hard.

Thank you, Augustus. Thank you, Glenn.