The Glenn Beck Program - Best of the Program | Guests: Sec. Robert F. Kennedy Jr. & Sec. Chris Wright | 7/30/26

Episode Date: July 30, 2026

Dr. Anthony Fauci pleaded the Fifth over 100 times during the Senate Homeland Security Committee hearing, led by Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.). Glenn gives the history of a presidential pardon and warns that no matter what investigations are launched into Fauci, holding him accountable for his actions may be impossible. Glenn speaks with U.S. Energy Secretary Chris Wright to discuss what can be done quickly to provide instant relief for high gas prices. Health and Human Services Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. joins Glenn to discuss his role in bringing Fauci’s diaries to light.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Hey, today's podcast. It is really great. The Fauci hearing, I give some perspective and an answer on what I think we should do next. Also, the energy secretary, Chris Wright, joins me about the price of gasoline, what we're doing with our strategic petroleum reserve. How bad is that? And so much more. And a fascinating interview with Secretary RFK, RFK, RFK, he's the guy who found the private dear, you know, hello kitty diary of Fauci. No, it's not like, that at all until you hear him all on today's podcast turning 65 feels like you've been dropped into a constant stream of mailers and calls and ads telling you something different about medicare and most of it just makes things more confusing but because this is not a small decision it's your health care you need to know you can see the right doctors you need to get the care that you have to have and not pay for a plan that doesn't fit your life this is where chapter comes in they don't just hand you options, they look at your doctors, your prescriptions, your needs, and they help you find a plan that actually works for you. Over the last year, they have helped people in this audience save

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days ago. Donald Trump is the fastest builder of anything. I watched him build things in New York City that, I mean, I couldn't believe how fast he could get things done and quality. We built the Empire State Building in, you know, in under a year, 11 months. Is there a way and would it make a difference on price to build more oil refineries, especially for light, sweet crude? And could we get it done and push it through quickly enough to make a difference? Well, we do. Well, we do. We do. We do. We, do have a new light suede crude refinery planned to be built in south texas it'll be the first new refinery built in the u.s in over 50 years but it does take a few years to build so it won't impact you know gasoline or diesel prices in the near term but it's a hugely positive message

to the market that a new refinery is coming tuned exactly for the kind of crude we're producing in south texas in the permian basin of west texas it'll be a great new addition Well, here's what people don't understand. And I know you've explained it before, but I'm just looking for solutions to this because people don't understand. We have all of this oil and it's light, sweet crude. Most of the stuff is dirty that we can't, that our refineries only the heavy crude will process it. We're in a situation where, you know, America may need fuel more than just for cheap purposes. with our strategic oil reserve being as low as it is,

are we doing absolutely everything we can to make sure that America is not behind the eight ball in case we're at war? We are. And Glenn, relative to everyone else, we're in the best shape of any country in the world. We are a meaningful net exporter of oil, a meaningful net exporter of diesel and jet fuel. But we actually import gasoline because the United States consume. a greater percent of our oil in the form of gasoline than the rest of the world. So we do have trade with the world, but we are a meaningful net exporter. Our refineries are running at record high output right now.

Yeah, I'm frustrated, as is the president. The gasoline prices are higher than we'd like, but they're still a dollar a gallon cheaper than they were four years ago during the Biden administration when there wasn't an interruption of energy flows around the world. So it may not feel great, but we're doing well, given the circumstances, and I'm proud of our president standing up to Iran and ending just an emerging threat to the world with Iran's race to nuclear weapons. One last question on oil. You told me back in May that our Strategic Oil Reserve was damaged because of what Biden did. We need to spend over $100 million to repair the damage.

and it's going to take us flat four, five, six years to fill the strategic oil reserve. President has told me it, I think it's 2032 by the time it gets completely full. How bad is this? I mean, you know, we're hearing things on munitions and we're hearing things on the strategic oil reserve. And I don't know how much of it is an information war and how much is true. How are we doing with our oil reserve? So, you know, we're, thank God, we have it. and we are releasing oil, which is helping our refiners meaningfully. And so I, you know, it's not, it's not

terrible. The Biden administration was wildly irresponsible in selling 200 million barrels of oil for an election to lower gasoline prices and to fund their green news scam programs. So that was terrible. So we came into this with much less oil in the SPR than we would have liked. But as I think I told you before, you know, we're trading these barrels. We're not selling them. So we will end after this conflict at the end of this administration. We'll have an extra 40 million barrels in the SPR at no cost to American taxpayers. And American oil production continues to grow. Our natural gas production is growing. So sure, I'd love to have, I'd love to have started with a full SPR. I'd love to not be spending the money now to repair the damage from the Biden administration. But this is America and this is the Trump administration.

We're fixing the SPR. We're doing swaps that will start filling the reserve up at a meaningful pace next year. And we'll get through the energy part of this crisis, I think reasonably well. And we'll be stronger, more robust, and more focused on the other side. So let me switch to something else. My audience is so concerned about. And that is the price of their electricity going up because of the data centers. And I've talked to people who are for the data centers.

said, you know, with water, you know, it's, it's only about the amount of water of a golf course, your local golf course that they're using. When it comes to energy, I think it's something each town can bargain with to make sure that, you know, that that data center is paying for any of the upgrade in infrastructure or anything else. Can you tell me what the truth is on the power situation with data centers? You bet. So look, on the power with data centers, what we're seeing here, is mostly a Democrat and a left-wing sales pitch. Their green energy policies, these mandates they put at the state level,

and when Biden was president at the federal level, drove energy prices up a lot, and people are mad. They don't want to own that problem, so they're pointing the finger at the obvious thing. No, it wasn't us. It wasn't our stupid policies. It's data centers that are driving up electricity prices. And honestly, Glenn, it's just false.

The states that have had the fastest growth in demand for electricity, and a good chunk of that comes from data centers, they have the best performance on energy prices. All of them have energy prices that have risen less than the price of inflation, and some of them have had real declines, I mean, nominal declines in the price of electricity. So data centers are the best tool we have to help first stop the rise of electricity prices in your region and ultimately to drive them down. You know, New York State, they drove electricity prices up with stupid policies. And so now they've said, we're not going to have any data centers. That'll actually contribute to prices rising even faster in New York. But no, look, data centers, this is America. Not everybody has to have a data center in your neighborhood.

So I don't want to alarm people. There's plenty of places to build data centers. But the communities that do negotiate deals, I believe, will get enormous benefits. They'll stop the rise of energy prices. they'll generate enormous tax revenues for their police, for their schools, for their parks. Heck, we got an area in Georgia that just eliminated property taxes because the taxes from the data center will cover all of the residence property taxes. Wow. There are huge wins available here.

My comment to communities a lot is you don't have to have a data center, but engage in the dialogue because if you push it away, those benefits are going to go to someone else and you're going to miss an operational. opportunity. I will tell you, I don't mind if towns don't want to have a data center, that's, they're right. It has to be open and transparent. And there has to be somebody, like, if I didn't want a data center, I would be sending in the toughest negotiator that I could get. And I'd ask for the moon and the stars. You know what? Then you're going to reduce our electricity costs per customer by 20%. And here's how you're going to do it. Or you're going to upgrade this, or you're going to pay for our police, or you're going to, whatever it is, I want. want no more tax on, you know, on our housing or our property taxes.

Negotiate because sometimes you're going to get that. And that's so much better than just saying, no, I don't want it. Negotiate for things that you would go, you know what, it might be worth it if we got that. They'll never give it to us. Ask. Ask. They just might. Glenn, you're so right.

This is an opportunity for a negotiation, not a threat. It's an opportunity, not a threat. Yes. Yes. Can I ask you, are we doing anything on hydrogen? I live in a ranch up in the mountains. And I have spent seven figures on electricity. I need about 40 kilowatts to run this whole place with the broadcasts and everything else.

And I am constantly fighting for the energy. This green thing is just not ready for private. time time. I don't have electric service up here and I don't want it up here because then more people will move up here. But, you know, I want to be green and I want to be off the grid, but it's not ready. Is there anything like hydrogen or anything on the horizon soon that will actually be stable for people? You know, hydrogen is basically the left's attempt to have a better battery, a longer alive to battery. So yes, you can store a lot of energy and hydrogen, but it's very expensive. It's expensive to store hydrogen. About half of the energy is lost in making hydrogen and then

turning hydrogen back into electricity, at least half. So what do we have that, do we, do we have anything that's on the horizon that you guys are trying to push through that would help people? Well, next generation geothermal is coming. We got a 500 megawatt plant under construction in Utah, mining the heat underneath your feet. President Trump sent aggressive agendas in May of last year to say we're going to get three next generation nuclear reactors critical by July 4. We had four reactors critical by July 4 and another one coming soon. So we've got a next generation. Wait, what does that mean? When you say nuclear reactors critical, that's probably the wrong. Words do you, what does that mean that nuclear? You have four of them critical. Self-sustaining chain reactions. So running their full nuclear systems, they don't have the other side where you take that

heat and convert it into electricity yet, but they have all the critical nuclear parts showing that these next generation reactors, they're small, they're modular. As we build them in volume, the costs are going to come down. This is extremely exciting. We'll be getting electricity in remote areas from nuclear reactors. next by the end of next year and a meaningful amount of it by 2028. We've got all store gas turbines under construction. We've got new pipeline to bring low-cost natural gas to communities.

If you had, you know, gas reship engines and a natural gas line, you could have an enormous amount of low-cost electricity on demand whenever you wanted it. No, I don't know the infrastructure where you are. If you don't have electric lines, I'm sure you don't have gas pipelines. I don't have gas lines, but I tank it in. that's our that's our that's our that's our back right you bring propane yeah yeah you're you're yeah yeah propane yeah so there is cool stuff coming in energy technology but the stuff that was you know politically favored um you know hydrogen again i'm i'm a tech nerd so if the math works i'm all for

it but the math on hydrogen looks pretty bad i don't i don't see that good are we taking the restrictions off i heard that we're taking restrictions off of uh fuel standards for cars. Is that true? Yeah. Shouldn't we that consumer? That's EPA. But there's a lot of regulations like that at DOE as well. We just want consumers to choose. If you want to buy an expensive device that consumes less energy,

God bless you, go for it. But if you can't afford to buy a super fancy next generation hot water heater or dryer, you shouldn't be forced to buy a super expensive one. We're going to let people choose. This is America. How much damage have you, and I say this in a good way, how much damage have you done to the big state that cannot be reversed quickly? I hope by the time we're gone a lot. You know, we're doing a thing called a process rule that's basically saying you can't just make up regulations and impose them on people without proving that you're not harming individuals and you're delivering net benefits.

And most of the regulations that are passed will not pass that test. The endangerment finding that EPA is challenged, that has been the justification for all the deep state rules that just get into everyone's lives. We think that rule will withstand legal scrutiny and it'll be very hard to bring that back. So we are working every day to just shrink that this incredible overreaching power of our government. It just impoverages Americans and Squelch's opportunity. That's not President Trump's agenda. This is the best of the Glenn Beck program, and we really want to thank you for listening. Now, back to the podcast.

111 times, Fauci. And there's no reason. There's no reason, okay? Rand Paul had just released more than a thousand pages of Fauci's pandemic-era diary. How did he get that? RFK. Guess who's on the show today? RFK. Yeah, I want to know about the diary. How'd you find him? What else do you think is there?

What was the thing that stood out to you? Why would he do that? Anyway, RFK is coming up. So Fauci in his opening statement says, it's Paul's obvious obsession with me that leaves me no choice but to say nothing. And then one of his lawyers gets thrown out of the room. If you were here yesterday, you witnessed it live. Oh, yeah. Okay, a few hours later, a little little marching band, marched through my head. I had fireworks. Thank you, Florida.

The Attorney General in Florida posted Fauci's lack of candor to Congress is unbelievable. My office is launching an investigation into Dr. Fauci. Now, if you want that little marching band to continue to go on, you should take a pause. If you're listening as a podcast, forward past the next minute and a half. Okay. 17 state attorney generals have already written to Congress asking for evidence. Florida is the first one actually move. And the reason your phone lit up is simple.

Biden's pardon of Fauci, full unconditional covering 11 years, January 14th, January 2025, only reaches federal crimes. That is really important. Federal crimes. A president can't pardon a state offense. Why? And this is so important. This word is so important.

understand on so many levels because the states are a separate sovereign. The states are each sovereign. Now, 17 attorney generals have, you know, been looking into it and you feel good. Hold off on the fireworks, because let me tell you what a pardon actually is. We've been here before. Woodrow Wilson. February 1914, man named George Burdick. He is the city editor of a newspaper called the New York Tribune.

The Tribune has just run a story about fraud at the New York Customs House, and a federal grand jury wants to know, who leaked it? Burdick takes the fifth. He won't give up his source. So Woodrow Wilson does something really clever. He pardons him. Now, not out of mercy. Burdick wasn't charged with anything.

Wilson pardoned him to take his silence away because the Fifth Amendment protects you from incriminating yourself and a pardon man can't incriminate himself. Does this sound familiar? Wilson's pardon says so right on the fate, right on his face. It recites that verdict is expected to refuse to testify and then absolves him of everything he might be asked about. That wasn't a gift, that was a crowbar, okay?

Well, George Burdick, city editor, not a lawyer, no title, no army. He got that pardoning. He's like, wait a minute, well, you're pardoning for what? I didn't do anything. And he said, no. No, Woodrow Wilson, I don't want your pardon. And they fight him $500 and put him in jail. Okay?

I don't want it. January 25th, 1915, Supreme Court sided with verdict. Justice McKenna wrote that a pardon has to be accepted to be, to exist, okay? It's an offer. Listen to this. It's an offer. Delivery is not complete without acceptance. And no court has the power to force a man who doesn't want it. So Chief Justice Marshall had said the same thing back in 1833. Nobody had tested it at 80 years, all right? Why? Why? the court said that the part that it should stop the celebration in your kitchen

a pardon carries an imputation of guilt and accepting the pardon is a confession of guilt so what Fauci said early on was I have no reason I can answer anything in front of Congress I have nothing to hide and then he's pardoned that's a confession of guilt according to the Supreme Court. Fauci accepted his.

And that's why I think everybody came apart yesterday. Because if a pardon strips away the reason to be silent, a pardon man has nothing left to protect, whether that logic still holds is genuinely unsettled law. And it is the fight that Paul is picking with a contempt vote. Here's what happened yesterday. Here's what Fauci did. What Fauci did was, say,

I'm not going to answer any. questions. Why? Everything you did in the past is already pardoned. So they can't get you. Rand Paul can't get you on anything you did in the past. Unless you're lying to Congress today, he can get you if you lie to Congress today. We know now because we have enough documentation on Fauci. He lied to Congress. So Rand Paul was like, okay, here's this document. How come you said this here and then you told us differently? Here's this document proving you did this and you said you'd ever did that. That's what was happening yesterday.

So he would have gone to jail if he answered truthfully. His ego will not allow him to answer anything other than I didn't do those things, which is a lie, which would have put him in prison. Okay. So we have a problem. We have a guy whose ego is so big. And we have a PR problem because half of the problem. because half the country doesn't, half the country,

we're not relitigating this. This is over. We know what the facts are now. But because the media is compliant with Fauci, nothing's going to happen. Nothing's going to happen. And when I say nothing's going to happen, I gave up on putting Fauci away a long time ago.

Okay, long time. He's 85. He's not going to prison. Admit it. Would I like him to? Yes, absolutely. Is it right to? Yes.

I don't care if he's 197. He goes to prison. Okay. But it's not going to happen. It's not going to happen. What we need now is the truth. Now, Florida is not going to win a criminal case. And the pardon doesn't have anything to do with why. The problem here in Florida is the clock. Florida gives prosecutors four years for a first-degree felony, three for most others. The contact that everyone is angry about is 2020 to 2021. That grocery receipt is six years old. It's out. Florida can't do anything about it. Wall 2, the map. Ron DeSantis, former federal prosecutor, said it himself.

You need a violation of Florida law and personal jurisdiction over the man. So statements made from a podium in Washington are not acts committed in Tallahassee. Lying to Congress is a District of Columbia problem under federal law, and Florida's perjury statute reaches false testimony only in Florida proceedings. So you can't get him. Wall 3. In 1890s, Supreme Court held that a state cannot prosecute a federal officer for doing his federal job. That doctrine covers nearly almost everything Fauci did as the division director at NIH. He raised it and he very likely win it.

I want the truth just as much as you do. I want the truth on this one probably almost more than anything else because this truth must be restored if we're going to have faith. in anything, which is why I'm telling you why an indictment that dies on a jurisdiction motion 18 months from now gets us nothing but another news cycle that lasts 18 months and a martyr and nothing satisfying comes out of it. So let me go back to Woodrow Wilson. Here is a tool that will actually work, okay? And 1914 hands it to us. Willis. Willis had the right idea, but he had the wrong instrument. Because a pardon can be refused.

But a congressional grant of immunity cannot. It isn't grace. It's a statute. Congress votes it. The Fifth Amendment evaporates. And the witness either answers or goes to prison for contempt with no defense left. That's the crowbar that doesn't break. He would have to answer the questions or he would.

have to go to prison. Because you've just been, you have immunity. The lie of, um, Ryan Paul just wants to put you in prison because he hates you, flies away because you would immediately say, Rand Paul has no power over you, sir.

No power. So answer the questions now. He could not invoke the fifth. He couldn't. And if he continued to lie, then you could make the case. It wouldn't mean he goes to jail, but you would have that conversation, then explain to me how this is what you said privately and this is what you said to us in

public. Have that conversation. It's not going to put him in jail. But that's the price. You know, every fix comes with an invoice. If you give him immunity, you can never prosecute him for what he tells you. You're trading the handcuffs for the transcript. But quite honestly, the handcuffs are never coming. I want the transcript. Take the transcript. Burdick spent the night in jail rather than accept a piece of paper that said he done nothing wrong. He understood something that we've forgotten. A pardon isn't a verdict.

It isn't an ending. It's a document that tells you what somebody was afraid of. What is Fauci afraid of? And I have to tell you, Ed only covers jail. I think what Fauci is truly afraid of is the loss of his status. The diaries show it. he is such a megalomaniacal kind of figure. His ego is so out of control.

He will not admit it. He won't. You put him in front of Congress with this? I'm telling you he won't. He won't play ball. You will have the record. We will have the transcript. This is an unsatisfactory and unreasonable ending to this story.

America must have the story. the story set and finished. Soon. Eleven years, that guy was never charged in 1914. Read that pardon again. Go for congressional immunity. Nobody wants to do it because you'll never put him in jail, but I'm telling you, go for the transcript.

Not the handcuffs, because the handcuffs are never coming. This is the best of the Glenn Beck program. Kennedy, Jr. Secretary Kennedy, I have to tell you, you and I have disagreed on so many things over the years, and I have learned so much from you and have softened so many of my views. I think you are doing an amazing job.

And for things that I just didn't even listen to you on, on health and everything else, you have opened my eyes to what has been happening to our food, and I thank you. I think you have made a tremendous difference. So thank you, sir. Well, I'm very grateful to you. And I also want to thank you for that last interview that we did together,

where you were all doped up on having just returned from dental surgery. And it was one of the best interviews I've ever done. So I remained people to appreciate it. Thank you. Well, I tried not to be doped up, but maybe it would make for a better show. A lot of people would claim yes. So, Secretary Kennedy, you found these diaries, and everybody is saying, these are private diaries. Could you please lay this to rest?

These are not private. They were, I don't know why he put them on, but they were put on government servers. Yeah, well, you know, every American knows this who has a job. If you go into your office and the company that you work, works for, gives you a laptop, and you do work on that laptop, it belongs to the company. And that is true. That is federal law. If you do something on a government server, it belongs to the governor, government.

So he was keeping a diary for the book that he intended to write about his life. And at the end of his term, just before he was leaving, he emailed the entire. entire diary to himself. So years and years of keeping this daily journal, he emailed it to himself so that he could write his book, and that's how we found it through those emails.

But he knows that, I mean, it's not a diary. It's not a diary in the sense. Like you said, that a teenage girl keeps a diary that's private and has, you know, a lock on it. It is a government computer, a government laptop on government time, keeping his account of what his official duties

are and then making private observations about them. You know, the liberal media is now feigning indignation that we released private diaries and violated his privacy. But that's just, it's a crazy assertion. And, you know, what they're really doing is covering up this, what you pointed out, this vast media malpractice that took place during COVID. When they elevated this guy to a deified status, who had funded the weaponization of coronavirus, who then had given it to a Chinese military run lab, to two scientists there, Xi Jinping and Ben Hu, who further weaponized it using NIH technology that they got from another NIH grantee, Ralph Barrett at the University of North Carolina.

Yeah. And they created SARS-CoV-2. And Ben, who was the scene as a second scientist on it, is patient zero. So he was the first person against him from COVID-19. and then, you know, if you look at the subway line that goes from the Wuhan lab, all the original cases were on that subway line. Oh, these scientists were infected. They were getting on the subway.

People were getting infected, you know, at each stop along the way. And that subway led right from the Wuhan lab to the airport. So people then spread it internationally. And instead of exercising skepticism, the American media elevated this guy, silenced his opponent, silence his critics, silence anyone who questions his authority, told us all we had to trust the expert when the expert was lying to us. And then punishing us, marginalizing and vilifying and demonizing anybody who questioned him. And it was really an extraordinary situation.

And he was lying about everything. He was lying about masks. He was lying about social distancing. He was lying about natural immunity. He was lying about the ability of the vaccine to prevent transmission. He took the vaccine himself and he immediately got COVID. And then he lied about the safety. We now know the one thing that I learned from his diary is most of this.

stuff I already know. The one thing I learned is that he had a pulmonary infarction after getting the modern vaccine. So Glenn, he took the modern vaccine at a very highly publicized press conference in which he was demonstrating his confidence in the safety of the product by taking the shot publicly in front of the whole world. then he gets pulmonary infarction, which is NIH and CDC and FDA had done a joint document in which they looked at the expected side effects of the vaccine's adverse events.

And pulmonary of infarctions were one of the top expected injuries. So he got that, he got a life-threatening pulmonary infarction, which was a blood clot, and went out and obstructed his line. And he was not, he was getting the finest medical care. In his late 70s, you know, that could happen. So it's not, we're not sure that that's what caused it, but it is likely that that's what caused it.

But the problem to me is he had the best medical care and then never, ever revealed it. He should have said there's a possibility, that this, you know, happened to me. There is a possibility that this happened. Instead, he goes out. He never says this out loud. It's never reported.

And then he says it's perfectly safe. He doesn't know that. We don't know that. Yeah, I mean, that's true with every vaccine injury. You can never prove causation. But the whole, you know, the whole purpose is, the whole system is based upon people, all being honest about reporting all of the injuries that happened after vaccine, after that vaccine.

And then you do an analysis and you say, hey, we're seeing elevated levels of this and the other. If you don't report it, nobody can make those kind of analysis. And he did not report his. He didn't report it to the VAIR system. He didn't tell the public. And, you know, if, so anyway, that was that. He's a guy who claims to be science itself, but is rejecting the scientific method on being able to find out if something is safe or not. So yesterday, he's testifying and he says nothing, and I kind of expected that, unfortunately, as soon as it began, I was like, uh-uh, he's not going to, he's, they're going to make this against Rand Paul.

They're going to just say, Rand Paul has a vendetta, blah, blah, blah. I said today that if you give him a congressional grant of immunity and say, look, we just want the answers. He must answer. At this point, I am less interested. I mean, don't get me wrong. I want to see that guy in a perp walk so badly. I think he is one of the most evil guys. I believe he knew what he was doing.

He's responsible for millions of people's death. He locked people out of seeing their parents and their grandparents as they were dying. He changed the world, and it's all because of his arrogance. But at this point, we're not going to see him go to jail. I just don't think that's going to happen. If we give him congressional immunity, then he must or go to jail. He must answer the questions. I just want, I want this to be finally settled and settled in, you know, court or in Congress

where everyone, including the press, can stop telling us that none of these facts true because it's all true. Yeah, and one thing I would add is that what he did, you know, the Democrats keep saying he saved a million lives. We had the highest discount per capita of any nation in the world. We had 3,000 deaths per million population.

The African continent had one tenth at about 320 per million population. Wow. were nations like Haiti and Nigeria that had 14 people per million populations. Basically zero vaccine, 1% vaccination, 14 deaths per million population, that's one, 200th of us. We had the highest death rate of any country in the world. Whatever we were doing was the worst performance of any country. So, saying, you know, the claim that we, that he saved a million lives is, is not really supported by facts.

So he is responsible as well for the largest loss of trust with our doctors, our medical system, our quote-unquote experts. I mean, you know, we know that a pandemic is going to happen again. point. But I got to tell you, we will lose a lot of lives because people will not trust anyone. How do we, what has to happen next to him? What do you, what do you, what do you recommend? What do you think is coming? What, what has to happen so we can put this behind us and restore the trust? Well, we're doing that in NIH right now and across the agency. You know, yesterday, we announced that an end to all dangerous gain of function science. So the science and the studies, the NIH-funded studies that gave us the COVID-19 pandemic will never happen again.

And the new policy has incentives and punishments for scientists and universities that participate in any kind of dangerous gain of function studies. So we're ending that. But also, we have new protocols for pandemic response. And they recognize constitutional rights. You know, the Constitution was built for hard times, not for easy times. You can't just wave it like we did. In fact, in 1780, between the end of the revolution and the ratification of the Bill of Rights, we had multiple pandemics in our country, smallpox, yellow fever,

typhus, typhoid, they killed tens of thousands of people. And the framers were well aware of that, but they did not put a pandemic exemption in the United States Constitution. And unfortunately, under Dr. Fauci's leadership and with the pitchforks and torches, you know, of the American media, we dismantle the Constitution.

got rid of the First Amendment freedom of speech. We were censoring people. I mean, I got censored. I was accused of misinformation because I said this probably came from the lab in Wuhan. And Fauci was saying that privately in his diary in January of 20. So even before I said that, he said, he was saying it could not have come from the wet market. And then for two years, he tried to tell us it came to the wet market. market. So I never put any misinformation on my Instagram account, but I was, it was shut down.

All of my social media were shut down. And this happened. As you know, doctors were delicensed. People were harassed and silenced. The social distancing regulation got rid of our right to assemble. We had three and a half million businesses shut down without due process, without just compensation. Jury trials were shut down for anybody, no matter how negligent they were who supplied a countermeasure. All the, you know, our

Fourth Amendment protections against unwarranted searches and seizures were abandoned with all this track and trays that you have to show your medical records before you leave your home or travel or whatever. The whole

Constitution was dismantled. And that could never happen again. And I The, you know, pandemic responses that we're working out are pandemic responses that are more traditional. They use traditional methods and they use AI and we use all of the well-established methods that do not interfere with our constitutional rights. Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. Thank you, sir. Thanks for spending the time with me. I appreciate it. our Health and Human Services Secretary. You bet.

Thank you.