The Glenn Beck Program - Best of the Program | Guests: Sen. Charlie Seraphin & Kash Patel | 4/19/23

Episode Date: April 19, 2023

Glenn and Stu discuss the various new worldviews that are taking over society, including the latest pronouns and the infiltration of the Catholic Church. Charlie Seraphin experienced firsthand what happened during the infamous ATF Waco siege, and he joins to share his experience. Former Department of Defense Chief of Staff Kash Patel theorizes how a low-level Air National Guardsman accessed top-secret Pentagon documents. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

We talk about the whole Fox News settlement thing today. And we didn't get into this, but Jim Gary wrote a piece, and he said three things to learn from this, from a media, big media company perspective. One, there can be catastrophic financial consequences for adopting or repeating the lies of the former president. Two, the network's responsible journalism is not a useful legal defense against the networks irresponsible of the fanatory journalism. Wow. And three, this one I think is interesting. Because I think this one is probably really going to happen, which is it is unlikely that networks like Fox News can afford to keep loose canon hosts anymore. And I think like this is going to be the lesson from a lot of the, a lot of these, especially on the right, corporate media types that are going to say, we can't take chances with people who say things that are risky.

Right. Because we might lose $787 million. Right. It won't happen on CNN. It won't happen on MSNBC. But it will happen on Fox. and let me ask you, who do they define as a loose cannon? Right.

You know, exactly. It's not going to be, you know, of course you do have a responsibility as a broadcasting company to keep a legitimate loose cannon off the air. I think Tucker fits that. That's what they will. Yeah. But they won't say that. Maybe Tucker's big enough because he's so popular that he can avoid. And again, I think the way he handled that particular case, I mean, he was outwardly skeptical of wild claims.

I don't think they have any case against. Tim here, but every time blah, blah, blah, media matters releases a report, there's going to be the sphincters of the executives are going to clench thinking about these types of settlements

and it's just another way for the left to control speech. Yep. Yep. They always, even if the left doesn't win, they win. It's always lose, lose for the right. Always. it seems to be. They're just way ahead.

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You're listening to The Best of the Blenbeck Program. think it's really important that we all draw our lines we all we all look at what's really happening uh and what's affecting our decisions to stand or not stand um you know some people just just won't do it and they're on our side and you know it's fine i'm not going to judge anybody um but others are doing it because they just don't want the hassle they don't want to be unpopular or They want to fit in. And this is what's happening in our classrooms. Our kids are learning from this.

And it's normal. You, especially in this society, kids want to be noticed. They want to be special. They certainly don't want to be out of the Cool Kids Club. I've been out of the Cool Kids Club my entire life. Would I like to be in the Cool Kids Club? kids club? Sure. Do I care? At this point, I mean, if I cared, I'd probably lose a few LBs, but nope, don't care. Okay. However, I want to show you how insidious this is because it is natural

to feel this way. I was just rejected as a member at a club. Now, I, I've lived in this neighborhood forever. I passed on the membership when we moved in because, you know, you get a golf and I don't play golf and I don't hang out at country clubs. No thank you. So Tanya and I just passed on it. Never even thought of it until recently, maybe two years ago. And, you know, usually things go quickly, but no, because there's. there's a couple of people that disagree with me politically.

And so I jumped through extra hoops and had extra meals with extra people and ask, you know, they question my integrity and everything else. And I just about lost my mind during that. But I thought, you know what? I just want it because I have so many meetings now at our dinner meetings. Tanya doesn't trust anyone.

So we don't ever have anyone over at the house, ever. And it drives me nuts. but okay. So we can't have anybody over the house. So if I want to have a business meeting, I have to drive into Dallas. Or if I have something where it's, you know, kind of a friend, but not, you know, not a friend, not like you, Stu, that she will let in the house. Ooh, on the list.

I want to have dinner and I want to have it like I'd like to just be able just to walk there. Yeah, close by. Yeah, sure. Not have security and everything else. So when they rejected me, what, a couple of weeks ago, I found myself caring all of a sudden because now I wasn't in the cool kids club. Now I've been rejected from the cool kids club. That only made me, you know, want to build a 500 foot flagpole in the property that I happen to own right on the other side of the fence of that club and fly the biggest freaking pirate flag you've ever seen.

but, you know, my better angels occasionally, you know, help me out a bit. But anyway, this is so normal. And if it's happening to somebody like me where I'm feeling that and I hate it. Wait, what's normal? Just the wanting to be to fit in. Okay. That's what's happening with our kids. Culture is being jammed down their throat, not only in the school by the school teachers,

you know, and all of the, all of, all of the stuff that's going on under schools, but also all throughout social media. You can be special. You can be recognized. You can be protected in an, in an even more special class than just a kid if you're trans, by whatever. Right. It gives you special status that you're probably desiring for other reasons. And I think between that and the fact.

that kids, I mean, I would have done this. When I was a kid, I would have said, you know, yeah, I'm a turtle today. If you had to, because I would just love being able to have that control over the teacher. Because that makes you popular because you're the one that can, you know, I got a little power over the teacher. Oh, 100%. 100%. I would absolutely. I would request the school to build me turtle tunnels that I had to crawl through to teach from class to class to.

from class to class. I mean, I can remember every other week or so, there would be some cause at our school that people would walk out for. And there would be this big protest. And the local paper would come and say, students united today for blah, blah, blah, cause. And I say blah, blah, blah, cause because I never knew what the cause was, nor did I ever care. What I knew was we were walking outside of the school in a direction that was not to math class. See, I grew up in a time where we had a bunch of nuns in black habits. And you're not getting past them.

You're not walking out. Nope. Not walking out. You have a child. What grade is she in? Sarah? She's a freshman in high school. Gosh, I can't believe that.

That does not seem possible. So what is she seeing in her school? So she was telling me the other day that you are allowed to pick your pronouns. You're allowed to pick a new name. you're allowed a new identity anytime you want. Any time. Anytime. Not just at the beginning of the year. Well, I think it's day by day.

It has to be like the day before that day or whatever. Oh, so tomorrow I'm coming as a dinosaur. Well, there's bunny and bunny self. There's what? Bunny. Bunny. Like Easter bunny, bunny, bunny. Bunny and bunny self.

Right. So when you talk about yourself, you would refer to bunny self. But the teacher has to call you bunny. And that's not a name change. That is a pronoun. change. The pronoun is bunny. Identity. Let's ask for the bunny. Let's ask what if there's more than one bunny in the class?

My gosh, I would have had a field day with this. I would have been torturing my teachers with us. Look at how this is an agent of chaos. You know chaos does not come from any place good. Can you imagine being a teacher and the kids that are just screwing with you? Well, that's the thing. The teachers have to abide by it. or they get fired or some sort of suspension.

So when you go in and you say, I'm they, them, but the teacher says, hey, you, or he, she, they get in trouble. And kids can change their names, can change their identities, whatever they want. It's unbelievable. It's unbelievable. This is, you know what? Have you seen the latest that just came out on Dylan Mulvaney? He wrote a few years ago.

This is 2021. He said, I'm a trans non-binary actor and I've had trouble. binding roles. So my friend wrote me a femme character in a commercial. The guy, what he's doing now is acting. He claims to be non-binary and trans, maybe is, you know, he thinks he is. Maybe that's legitimate. It seems legitimate. But what he's doing when everybody's like, he's making fun of girls. That is a character role he's playing. Why? Because. Because he wanted a job. He wanted to be popular.

That's all this is. That's all this is. And so when you stand up against it, you get slammed down by the bullies in class. So every time that you ever had a bully in your life and you just like, just leave it alone. You trained yourself to just leave it alone. We've got to train our kids to not just leave it alone.

No, I'm sorry. I'm going to stand. I've said for years, you're going to college, just get the degree, leave it alone, get the degree. No, no, absolutely I was wrong. What do you mean you say no? So you don't speak out against these things? Yeah, just be quiet, get the degree. You know, you're going to get the degree.

Just move on. No. It is more important to protect your. Your integrity muscles, you train yourself that I'm not going to use those. I don't have to use those. No, you need them. Now more than ever, you must take stands because it's getting weaker and weaker. Look what's happening.

How did, in 1933, the churches almost dropped the Old Testament within six months of Hitler. He said, you know, a lot of Jewish stuff there. Okay. Okay. The churches voted and almost dropped the Old Testament. Why? Because they had already been infiltrated. They had already played along, gotten along, didn't stand up for anything, didn't stand

up against what was going on. You know, it was like one guy, he was an archbishop, I think, this one guy was the guy who stood up and said, you know, we shouldn't probably be killing our kids and calling them undesirables and, and killing out of mercy. I don't think that fits.

One guy. And he wasn't popular. Once you lose that, look what's happening. Why do you think Catholic Church being infiltrated? Why do you think that is? To sow the seeds of distrust, to sow the seeds of,

of, I don't know, something else to make sure it stays in line, they're training you. And it's natural to want to be left alone and just be in the cool kids club. You know what? We were born at a time where we don't get that privilege. We instead get the privilege of standing up for what is right and true. that's much better than any stupid club. This is the best of the Glenn Beck program. Charlie Serafin, the station manager, former station manager at KRLD News Radio here in Dallas during the Waco

tragedy, which happened 30 years ago this week. Charlie, welcome. How are you? Good morning. It's my fault. I'll take full of response. So this must have been really hard. I know that we wanted to do a special on Waco, and the Branch Davidian said they'll do it as long as we run an hour from their perspective, and we started looking into some of the details on what they wanted, and it just wasn't acceptable to us. So we didn't do it. Good choice on your part.

Yeah. It wasn't really a hard stretch on that one. But you, when you were at KRLD, you had children being held hostage, and we all saw that train wreck coming. How did this happen with David Koresh? And what were your thoughts during it? Yeah, probably not as much as I saw that train wreck, because I try to cut through it. I know we have limited time. So we got a call into the newsroom that evening, the evening of the shootout.

And one of the young producers came out and said, we got a guy on the line claims he's calling from inside the compound. And I said, man, I better take it because my first thought was this is a prank. It's a fraternity somewhere, you know, SMU or something. And some people are going to have some fun with a, you know, a serious situation. So I got on the phone, started talking to the guy, the guy was Steve Snyder. I could tell from his accent. He was from Wisconsin. I'm from Wisconsin.

His accent was stronger than mine. And we come to find out after the fact, he grew up about 45 miles from where I did, about the same time I did. I think he might have been a couple years older. So anyway, we're having a chit chat. And I'm trying to ask him questions, hey, what's going on in there? How many wounded do you have? How many children? What's the deal?

Why don't you let the children out? And he's very unresponsive because he says, well, I really can't answer that. David had happened to set. Well, I can't answer that. David had asked that. So he kept deferring to David. But, and finally, he just said, well, here, I'll just. And then he handed the phone over to David.

So now I'm talking to David Gresh. And I know it's David Gresh, because I've heard his voice on CNN. He did an interview earlier in the evening. And as we're talking, he is, he is unresponsive. He just goes into a ramble. And it's a biblical-sounding kind of language with a lot of vows and they's and shells and self. And, you know, it's got help peas on the other words and all that. But he's not really, he's not really there.

And he keeps talking about himself in the past tense. The birds of the fields shall eat upon the flush of the lamb and blah. And he's going on and on about being the lamb and about being dead. And I'm going, man, this guy is suicidal. And I'm not a psychiatrist, but I've dealt with a lot of nutcases in my life. You know, we're in media when we have the opportunity. And he was so far out there, and he just was really tightly wound. And so after about 45 minutes of trying to talk him off the cliff with a lot of funny little nuances in between,

only the second half of, or maybe the last 10 minutes of the conversation was recorded, because I'm on a business line. They called in on a business line, and we can't put that line on the air. We had to transfer them over in order to do it, which we did ultimately. But somebody brought me one of those little suction cups, if you think back 30 years. Oh, my gosh. So you could record it. Yeah, so we could record it.

And the recording was terrible quality, but someone transcribed it after the fact. So I have a little bit of our private quote conversation. And again, I'm like a counselor. I'm just saying, like, yeah, but you don't have to die. and what about all your followers? And it could be okay. And what about the children? Let's let some more children out, okay?

And, you know, I'm trying to be as conciliatory as I can. And we put him on the air for a little bit. And he, again, he launched into his biblical gibberish, I would call it. And then the rest of history, people know most of those stories. But what I have to share with you, Glenn, is just kind of bizarre. when you live through a traumatic experience, and it was a traumatic experience for me. I had, you know, I had, I'd interviewed some FBI agents, and I'd seen them at the scene of crimes, and I covered a lot of stories and stuff like that, but I never had FBI agents calling me at my house

in the middle of the night, and I never had the code words with ATF, so we could make sure it was really them, and I had never been involved, and I'd never been attacked by the journalism community, which the American Society of professional journalists and the Columbia Journalism Review and all these people. And they're all going like, all these terrible people, they inserted themselves into the story. How could the government, you know, how could the media work with the government? Now, in today's world, isn't that a laugh? I mean, really? It's incredible to me, especially at that time, because I know your record. You started at KFC, worked at K-1-1, K-K-CBS, K-KBS, K-K-E.

K&X. I mean, you're a news guy when news guys were news guys. Yeah, it's almost an embarrassment to have that affiliation now because if you tell somebody, you know, you're a news guy, they just, you know, they run. And I don't blame them because I have the same feeling. It's like, how did I have a, we could do a whole program and how it happened because I have a really good theory on journalism school and the concept of objectivity, but we don't, that's not today. Today is a 30th anniversary, but something I wanted to share with you. So I went through this traumatic experience and afterwards, and I, we got literally hundreds of letters from people and I'm going to give you an example. Here's a postcard

holding it in my hand. I took it out of the box last night. My wife said, you need to open the box. I said, I don't, I don't know. And she said, open the box. It's a moving box full of stuff, just junk, just everything thrown in there. It says, David, you have made about all, the points you can make. So I command you and all your people to come out peacefully, signed God. And it was a desk that David Koresh care of the radio station. And there was, there's so much of that stuff. Oh my gosh.

People don't realize how the world, the outside world, and from all over the country and foreign countries, people sent us stuff because they had an idea. Here's a, here's a tape of my favorite sermon from my pastor, just play this for him and he'll come out. Oh my gosh. Oh, my gosh. Have you, can we get some of that off-the-air conversation from you? I'd love to be able to play some of that on the air. Well, I have some of the on-the-air conversation, but the off-the-air conversation,

the tape is, it may be one of the cassettes in the box. I don't know, because there's some that are not labeled, but I have a transcript of it, And then I found, I just found a lot of, a lot of real, there's a lot of stuff that I would say is funny because, and probably wasn't funny at the time that people were sincere in trying to solve the problem. I found a letter from a guy from New Jersey who wrote to the president of NBC News on my behalf. I don't know who he is. I don't, you know, I had no relationship. And he told him that the guy's name was Michael Gartner at the time. and I did two days of interviews with Brian Gumble on live,

and because he kept asking me about his, you know, David's state of mind, and I didn't want to say the guy's a nutcase and he's suicidal because I was afraid he would be listening, and that would be enough to set him off. And next thing, you know, we'd see flames coming out the windows, which we saw that point. And when you saw how it ended, what were your thoughts about ATF and FBI?

Well, my thoughts about ATF were consistent from the beginning, just because of my personal exchange interchanges with them. I had an ATF agent come into my office and say, give me a tape, a copy of the tape of the interview you guys did a couple nights ago. There were fugitives that were on the run, and they were outside, Divideians that were outside the compound, and they were scattered, they were running as fast as they could. But they would stop at pay phones or at friends' phones or whatever and call in to the overnight show at the radio station. And then we would run tape on it. And I had those tapes. And I knew that eventually somebody come for him. So this ATF guy comes in and says, give me a copy of the tape of so-and-so.

And I said, I got it right here in my desk. Give me a subpoena. And he goes, well, come on, man, help me out here a little bit. Give me, you know, I don't mean. I said, no, it's our station policy. I've got it right here. It'll take you 10 minutes. You can get a judge to give you a subpoena.

It's not a big deal. But that's our process. And please, you know, I've been helping you guys out and following your process, help mind. And oh, come on, man. He goes, you know, even the bank down in Waco, they released all of his banking records to us without a subpoena. Wow. That's a federal crime. It is. And here's a, here's a government agent sitting in my office telling me that he's confessing to a crime. And I, and at the time, even I knew that. And I went like, man, you guys are some dumb, you know what? And so it's like, okay, the other thing that was fun,

and this is a sidebar that's not part of any Netflix documentary and no one ever heard, when the ATF first started calling in again, I was real concerned about pranks and about false information, everything, because you don't get in that situation very often where you're a participant in the actual story. So I told the first ATF guy that I talked to, the agent in charge, I said, look, here's a deal. We have to have a code. So when your agents call in that I know they're illegitimate, you may need something quick like, hey, say this or do this or whatever, because we got, you know, somebody in the crosshairs or we're about to do this.

I don't know what you're going to do. It doesn't matter, but we've got to have a code. So he says, okay, we'll give you our Social Security numbers. I'm telling the truth. So the ATF agents would call the radio station and say, this is Agent Smith, Social Security, da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da. Right? That was the code, and they did it. So when the FBI came in and took over, and this is one of the reasons my son probably

winning the FBI is that there's so much more buttoned up in the ATF. Right. The FBI guy, so the Asian in charge, I think it was Jeff Jamar. He calls and I go, look, we're doing this deal with the ATF and we've got to have your Social Security numbers, have your agents identify themselves. And he just started laughing. He just laughed so hard. And he went like, no, I don't think so. And I thought, well, good for you.

So he said, we'll give you our birthdays. So he started rattling, you know, the agent would say this is agent, seraph. And then my birthday is 11-849. blah, blah, blah. So, Charlie, as you, as your son grew up, he heard you talking about all of this. And I think that he probably looked at his dad who had a lot of integrity and also this instance that you, you know, had to have shared with him many times. And your reason on ATF FBI, now the FBI, because I've always, because I've always, always felt that about the FBI until now. And now I just don't know who to trust. I think it's rotten from the, you know, core in Washington. I don't know how far down it goes. But now that he was

an FBI agent and he has started to blow the whistles and you've seen what's happened to him, what are your thoughts? Well, you know, he's my son and we're proud of our children all that, but I have five sons. And Kyle is among the best and the brightest in our country. I'm just, I'm going to say that. And not just as his father, as an observer of people. He's an exceptional human being. His grasp of facts, his cognitive ability, his intellect, his vocabulary,

he's been a voracious reader, his entire life. He's read so much more than I have. He's a lot smarter than I have. I am. And so when he told me that this was something he's going to do, I was very proud. And when I went to Quantico and went to the graduation, listened to the speeches, and especially when I met his, the agents who graduated at the same time with him, man, oh man, if you wanted to put together, you know, the all-American team, they were, that's what they were. These are awesome people, former military, former police officers, physically fit, weapons experts, sharpest tax,

really just an incredible group of coworkers. And then he wasn't very long. And I could tell in our conversations, he was going like, man, there's stuff going on here that's just not right. I mean, almost from the beginning. Well, actually, from the beginning, Jim Comey gave the graduation speech. and I was there with Kyle's mom and, you know, we listened and, and I came away and I went, wow, that was a, that's a really good speech. And Kyle goes, nah, BS. I go, what do you mean? He goes, I've heard it five times already. It sounded like it was really spontaneous and really, you know, really aimed at the audience.

Right. And then, so he was a little bit skeptical. Then when he went into the counterterrorism unit, it was like, oh, man, this is a joke. we just waste our time following these people around. Nobody does anything about it. We know who the bad guys are. They don't pick them up and lower stuff. And then he got out of that. And then he got into the surveillance unit where they would travel around the country and go out to Portland and be in D.C. at the riots there, you know, all the stuff.

And same thing. He said, you know, we know who the bad guys are. His first assignment, which he doesn't talk about, his first assignment was for the, one of them was for the Trump inauguration. And there was a young guy that was shining lasers at helicopter pilots' eyes trying to blind them to make up helicopter crash into the celebration. And Kyle was teamed with a Secret Service agent, and they went out and they watched and they saw the thing going up through the trees, the laser. And they went over and the guys went into a restaurant. There were five of them.

And they went into the restaurant. Kyle and his partner went in. they arrested the individual with the laser. Kyle stayed there and killed the others. It would probably be a good idea for them not to get out of their seats. And at the time, when he told me, I thought, wow, that, you know, and he said they're probably just students, dad. They were probably just kids from, you know, doing something stupid.

He learned about Antifa, which we didn't know about. And, you know, wasn't publicized back then. He says, no, those are definitely Antifa. There was no question of it. They were organized. I can't thank you. enough for coming on and sharing all of this information and being the dad to Kyle that you have been American patriot, truly, I think.

Charlie, thank you so much. You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck program. Cash, how are you, sir? I'm good. Great to be with you, Glenn. Yeah, it's good to have you. This story has bothered me and some of my friends who have been in the military and have and have had, you know, top secret clearance.

They say what the media is reporting is just not possible. Do you agree with that? Yeah, I wrote an extensive piece on it, just that, and I think it was published in Breitbart and then the Post picked it up, but a former deputy director of national intelligence and the guy who did the presidential daily briefing for the commander-in-chief, have an idea of how this type of access work. And he covered it. 21-year-old National Guardsmen, even if you have a top-secret SCI clearance, doesn't mean you have a need to know.

He certainly did not have a need to know to access under the law this type of intelligence about war planning operations, military movement, and the Saudi intelligence. It's some of our most closely kept and guarded secrets, as it should be. So he did not, and I don't believe for one second, he has acted alone. And I think the fact that the New York Times and the Washington Post were the first one, to break the story and investigation before the FBI, the same guys that did Russia Gade, and I may be biased because I was the guy that ran the Russia Gain investigation and exposed it all,

but this doesn't happen by coincidence. Somebody is covering up their tracks and somebody is looking for a scapegoat because the underlying crux of information shows that the current commander in Chief Joe Biden and his administration have been lying to the world about the failure of our $115 billion in the Ukraine. Okay, so there's two subjects here. I want to talk about the leaks and what they tell you, but I want to stay first on how did this information,

I want to make sure I understand and the audience understands, you can have a top secret clearance and you can log on to whatever that internet thing is called. What is it called? Yeah, J-WIC system. You can log on a J-WIC, but you have to specifically know what you're, it's not like it's just piles of documents. sitting there. You have to know what you're looking for and you have to go through other portals to be able to get this stuff, correct? Yeah, think of it this way. Think of it as a giant mansion

that has multiple bedrooms that are locked with the goods and households products of whoever lives there. Just because you have the key to the front gate with your top secret SCI clearance doesn't mean you have the keys in the code to every single room and bank vault in that glorious mansion. Classified information works the same way. are literally millions of federal employees who have a top secret SCI clearance, but there are less than 0.5% of those employees who have the need to know compartmented code access to grant themselves access to this information because it's structured that way on purpose. Whether you can log into a system or walk into the vault room with all the paper documents, you are not by law permitted in the entry room, in the foyer even, unless you have been granted that need to know. And a 21-year-old, international guardman doesn't have a need to know of this kind of information. So my researchers said their gut said to them, somebody else that has access to these documents either sent them to him or whatever got them to him and he's just a front guy.

Yeah, that's what I wrote. That's what I specifically came out and said before the soon as the story was breaking and people were screaming. I mean, I said, listen, it's not about politics, Democrat, Republican. This guy has had this documentation and putting it out for six months. That's a campaign. That's not one page printed off and stolen off a printer and said, oh, here you go. Here's one piece of intelligence. There's hundreds of documents. We don't even know the extent of it. And you can't access over that over a continued period of time as a 21-year-old Air National Guardsman in Cape Cod. It just doesn't work that way. Somebody, either at DOD or the intelligence community, either wanted this information out or he found someone who was wanted the information out like he did and helped him

with that process and access. Look, if I'm wrong, I kind of actually hope I'm wrong, Glenn, and here's why. Because if I'm wrong, the other truth is even scarier that our classification system is so broken and so destroyed that a rookie can walk in and no harness our nuclear secrets. That's what happens if I'm wrong. And it's not about me being right or wrong. It's the alternative. It's so much worse. Well, that's what, you know, that's one of the things I keep coming back to. We should be talking about this because this guy either had somebody on the inside or you're right. It's so porous that any of the millions, as you say, that have that top secret clearance can go in and get anything. And Americans need to know, not Republicans, not Democrats, this is all of us.

Yeah. No, you're absolutely right. And that's what's so striking about this. And it's why it's riddled with analogies to Julian Assange and whatever your political orientation is, you can't, I might be in the minority of this, but I don't justify this kind of behavior because it exposes waste, fought, and corruption. There's a way to go about it. And this is not it. And so for those politically are cheering this action because of the end result, that's not how the United States of America works, because there's going to be a hundred guys behind them that do this if you permit this sort of justified. disclosure, intelligence. And I disagree with that wholeheartedly. Okay. So now, let's try to figure out, is there a pattern in the leaks? Because they seem to be kind of all over the board. Some of them seemed to be something that could have helped us with some of our, you know, frenemies. You know, there was only really, the only one that I saw that I thought was really damaging was the one that we have a spy at the, you know, in the Kremlin. That's, that's not good for the health of that spy. Who did this help? What side did this help? I don't. I think it was a combination of things. And what I mean by that is that you saw sort of a

shotgun disclosure because the ultimate goal of what they wanted to disclose, in my opinion, based on what's out there, is the information regarding the Ukraine conflict. And the other disclosers were put out there to sort of have lines of effort to say, wait, let's throw some people off our tracks. That's another reason why I don't think this was done alone. This wasn't just some kid who's like, ah, I'm just going to throw up a bunch of pieces of paper in the air. Whatever you guys grab in this chat room, we can talk about. No, no.

It was very specifically done. And it was done with other people assisting him to do it, like the folks in the chat rooms, who might also be government employees. I don't know who any of these people are, but apparently the New York Times and the Washington Post do. and maybe they want to go talk to them, at least the FBI, and figure it out. But it was done in this fashion. It's kind of going back to Assange. He did it a more streamlined fashion because he said he had a revolving door of information to put out.

This may be the scenario here. This was just sort of the first shot. Does he have other conspirators who have more information out there? We don't know that answer yet. Neither does the FBI. So does it appear to be the information that you have seen? Does it appear to be a message that your government is lying to you and you have no idea what's going on in Ukraine? That to me, yeah.

That's the central message to me. And you have to look at the characters that are involved. Chairman Milley, who used to work for me when I was chief staff at DOD, has become the most political operative in Washington, D.C. And that's saying something when as chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, by law, you are forbidden to, to enter politics. Wow. And he was the guy that said, hey, I'm going to call my Chinese counterpartist

during the Trump administration. We are going to come after you. He is, one, broken the law by entering the operational chain of command. Two, the thing he wanted to achieve was a relationship with the incoming Biden administration because he wanted to keep his job. I think you're going to see down the road people in senior DOD positions like that say,

because it's going to come to a head. Either Joe Biden lied to the world about the Ukraine and its status. or he was lied to about the intelligence about the Ukraine and said we were succeeding. The other piece is members of Congress were the gang of eight informed about the underlying intelligence. If that's accurate, then Congress also lied to America while saying the Ukrainian effort was a win, or we were winning. And I think when you enter that fray and sort of have government officials target each other, somebody's trying to cover their own rear end, and we're going to find out when it shakes out.

And I remember, Chairman Millie's leadership role is up in three months. He's out. He's gone. And he's been no stranger to talk to media while in that seat and especially when he leaves that seat. So I would say stay tuned, but it's a very suspicious line of effort. When you look at the information about the Ukraine, the war in Ukraine, describe it in, describe it in, relatable terms of people who are not really following it. They just know, you know, we're there, we're doing stuff. It looks like it could get dangerous. How bad is it? We're doing everything but going

to actually declare war. When you spend $115 billion in less than a year, what you have to do is armed man training equipment. What that means is it's cute by half. We don't have quote unquote conventional American soldiers on the ground. That may be mostly true, but we're We have contractors, former United States military operatives on the ground, training them on tanks, training them on weapon systems, training them how to shoot, training them how to defend their positions, et cetera, because they can't do it alone. That all costs money. But the problem with the Ukraine is it's going to be the modern gay Afghanistan. They don't have an international banking system to access. So we have to give them literally pallets of cash, and we know how that's gone in the past.

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