The Glenn Beck Program - Best of the Program | Guests: Sen. JD Vance & Ryan Mauro | 5/7/24

Episode Date: May 7, 2024

Pat Gray joins Glenn and Stu to discuss one of Jeffrey Epstein's little black books going up for auction and Epstein's possible ties to the U.S. government. Sen. J.D. Vance (R-Ohio) joins to discuss Donald Trump's "hush money" trial and the kangaroo court it's taking place in. Counterterrorism expert Ryan Mauro joins to discuss how the anti-Israel protests plaguing college campuses appear to be backed by organizations that support Hamas. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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We're going to frame it that way. J.D. Vance was on. That was pretty good. Yeah, talking about his picks, Donald Trump's picks for vice president. Well, we asked him about that. That wasn't why he came on. No, we talked about it, and then he came on and talked about something else that was important to him. I don't know. Something about spending the end of the republic. I don't know. Yeah.

So, but we asked him about that. Answer was surprising, didn't you think? I don't know. It was worded carefully. It was? It was worded in a way that might make you think that potentially some of his associates have had conversations, I thought. He allowed for the idea that he said that he hadn't talked to Trump. He personally.

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you're listening to the best of the glenbeck program so i am and i collect it to preserve it and i want to tell the whole story of american history uh the good and the bad um probably the best is we have a lot of stuff from Patton. And he was an amazing guy. But we also have one letter from Patton where he is a monster. And I mean a monster, no better than the Nazis. And, you know, we all have these conflicts in us, some bigger than other. And we wanted to make sure that we showed both sides of Patton.

We don't make anybody into a hero without showing this is the heroic stuff they did, and this is the questionable or really bad stuff they did. Jeffrey Epstein's Black Book is up for auction. Now, this is not the book that he had when he died. This is a book from around the year 2000 that he lost. Somebody had it. They found it in the street of New York. It's been verified that it is his handwriting and it is his book.

They picked it up and then just put it in a box and left it in a storage unit. And ever since this Epstein thing has been going on, they're like, I got to find that book. I got to find that book. I know where did I put that book? They went through their storage unit and found it. Then they brought it to Alexander Historical Auctions, which is a really good auction. house. And they put it up with unredacted names and numbers. You can't see it. You can go and visit the book if you're interested in buying it and look through it. You can't take pictures of it

or anything else. But the black book is for sale. They're saying it's going to go between $100,000 and $200,000. Now, my question is, is this just a passing big, but still like a passing blip, like I'm really not interested in the Lindberg trial. Who cares? Right. You know what I mean? It was a big thing at the time.

Is this a big thing just at the time? And what would change that, I think, is was he or will we ever find out he was an operative for our government or other governments? Hmm. I don't know. That's kind of the rumor right now, right? that he was CIA. Yeah.

What's your first thought on Epstein's book having it? I mean, I'd love to. I'd love to have it just to read the names on the air. Yeah. You'd have to believe, though, if there were some, you know, if it was like, George Soros, like we'd already know about it. Right. That page would be missing.

Right. Shockingly, all the Ss are missing and the Gs. Right. So I kind of think that there's maybe not going to be a massive story in it, though it is an incredible... Well, if we were considering really buying it, I would send somebody up to look through it and tell me, is there anything in it? Right.

Worth, you know, if it's like squeaky from, I don't really care. It would be, I would care if Squeaky Fromm had done that, that would have been crazy. Yeah, it'd be nuts. That's an interesting one. I mean, because is it just, here's a guy who did some really terrible thing, like Jeffrey Dahmer merchandise. You don't, you're not buying that. Yeah, I'm not buying that. I'm not buying Michael Jackson stuff.

Right. I don't really, you buy OJ stuff? Because that was pretty big. Yeah, if it was something really big. That wasn't just a flash in the pan. It was pretty big. I have an O.J. Simpson baseball card. That's all I have.

A baseball card. Oh, not baseball. Wow, that's incredible. That is a huge story. Shut up. He played baseball. Football card. Yes.

Yeah, I mean, because I think O.J. is on the level of Lindberg. Right. historically. Yeah. Like to us right now, obviously, it's a lot bigger because it happened in the 90s. Right. You know, in 50 years, I don't know that it's. The only thing that would be worth in that is. somehow or another finding a way to capture the the African-American response to OJ, setting him free

because he was finally able to beat the man. Right. And by the way, jurors from the trial have said that's what they did. Yeah. It's just not Glenn making things up. Right. And so if you could capture that because we're having the opposite right now, you know, people not. looking at the facts of anything because they want somebody to win one way or another. And so that

is something to happen with jurors. And so it would tell that story, but I don't know how to capture that. And remember, you know, the Epstein thing is tied into powerful people, even if you just, you know, Prince Andrew, right? Like, I mean, there's certainly, I don't know that he's in that book per se, but I will say that my instinct is, yes, you should bid on it, largely because I think one of the things you do at the museum and is part of your mission. statement over there is to preserve history that will be erased. And man, the Epstein thing falls directly in that category. Like, we know about it right now, kind of. I don't think we know the whole story. And the powers that be will do everything they can to make sure that goes down

some memory hole that we don't remember it like the Lindbergh case. Right? Like that, they want that to go away. So actually preserving some of that history, I think is a good use of, uh, uh, of resources. Of course, if there's nothing interesting in it, I suppose, maybe that's not, you know, the case. But, man, I don't know. It seems like we still don't know the story on that one. But don't let you see the whole thing before you buy it.

Yes. You can go up right now and make an appointment and you can go up. I was thinking about sending Jason up there. And you can go up and make an appointment and seeing it, see it, see what's in it. You can't take a photograph of it. and, you know, no copies of it. But you can come back and then he could tell me this is what's in it. These are the kinds of names that are in it that he could remember.

You need to send someone with a photographic memory. I know. Do we have a listener with a photographic memory? Yeah, that would be great. I will say it seems like if they're showing it to people, right, and we don't have any leakages on the actual story. Well, he just announced it yesterday, I think. Okay. Yeah.

So at some point you'd think that the story would leak out if there was something amazing in it. Not necessarily, because if you are qualified to go see it, you know, you're signed up to bid, you're a buyer. And if there's something great in it, you don't want anybody to know. Until after you have it. Correct. Right. That's good. They each vary in length from only a few lines to over 10 or 15 lines or more each. Each of the entries have several more names included.

Additionally, 94 names bear black hand applied check marks. five have been highlighted in yellow. All five names, including that of President Donald Trump, interesting that that one is out, are well-recognized financial and industrial figures. The significance of the checked and highlighted names is unknown. The details included in the vast majority of the entries are most extensive. Epstein not only includes the name address and telephone number of his contact, but in most cases also adds other residential addresses and numbers contact information.

family members, secretaries, immediate, employees, associates, cell phone numbers, and at least one instant, a contact's girlfriend's number. There's a good deal of information hinting at Epstein's Saurid Pass, including the very first entry, contact information for the front desk, and five apartment numbers corresponding with telephone numbers at 301E66 Street. This address was home for many young models, girlfriends, pilots, and lawyers associated with Jeffrey. Epstein. Book contains entries for former Ford models, CEO Kate Ford, as well as an entry for

Masuse, which lists 24 women's names and numbers with pager numbers as well. The history of this criminal relic is fascinating. The mid-1990s musician living in Manhattan discovered the book lying on Fifth Avenue sidewalk in Midtown. She eventually put it in storage, was not until 2020 while cleaning out her storage unit that she realized it belonged to Jeffrey Epstein. She reached out to several media outlets, not this one, who failed to react. Assuming that the book was a copy, she listed it on eBay, where it was purchased by a graduate...

How is that possible? How is this... So who was it purchased by? A graduate student in the Northeast who has possessed it ever since. For how much? Do we know how much? Nope, don't know. Wow.

2004-Ebstein Black Book was discovered by the FBI and used in legal proceedings, but this which came to light after Epstein's death was not considered as evidentiary importance at the time of its discovery. According to Business Insider, the 1731 names contained in the two volumes together do not appear in the 2004 book. During its six-month investigation, business insider journalist had respected forensic document examiners, applied forensics, examine the book to determine its authenticity, after a researcher looked at the binary. and the data within the examiners determine. There are indications or evidence to suggest. The Q1 address book predated the online version of the address book and was in existence in the late 1990s.

A copy of that report is available. So there's 1,700 names. But we don't know why they're named. Nope. That's interesting. What they released, and it's interesting again, they released Donald Trump and Alan Dershowitz as names in this. Oh my gosh. Of course. Of course. Of course. Of course. Donald Trump, Alan Dershowitz. Frederick Fakhai. Do you know who that is? F. E K-K-K-A-I?

No. Christy Heffner and Edward Kennedy. Huh. Frederick Foucai, French hairstylist and entrepreneur. Of course. Well, who doesn't have a French hairstylist in their blackbook. Makes a bunch of products, though. It seems like a big, has a big company. making this stuff, it appears. So what is your first thought? Yes or no? I'd say yes.

Go look at it or you would consider buying it. And then depending on the names. What is its significance in history, long term? What dirt bags we had in office, I guess? I mean, you're going to find out some things about people, right? Although it doesn't say why, again, it doesn't say why they're in the book. I mean, we know the Alan Dershowitz thing. Like, we already know the person who accused him came out and said,

ah, maybe it wasn't him. Yeah, he was in there because he's the attorney. Right. So it's not necessarily going to have Matt. You don't know if it's going to give you some major story that's going to change history. I will say, though, though. We also, I'm sorry, we do also know that Donald Trump threw him out, right, of Marlago. Yeah, they had a falling out a long time ago.

Because he was, you know, I guess trying to recruit some of the females. And Donald Trump said, get out. Don't come back. Yeah, no, they definitely, the Trump thing is, I don't know. I think that's a complete disconnect to the Epstein story from long, long ago. But I will say that. Otherwise, it would have made political hay out of that. Yeah, the Clinton one is much more, I think, significant.

Yeah. You know, and that one is. And the Gates, I think the Bill Gates one, too, you have to, some of his comments have been really weird about that. Really weird. Really weird. So, or his wife's. I think Bill Gates has flown under the radar as one of, you know, just a, you know, weird, quirky guy for so long.

I think he may end up being one of the true villains of our time. I think that's quite possible. I think that's quite possible. Yeah. Mm-hmm. I mean, the things that he wants to do on population control. Yeah. His connections there.

His divorce from his wife who was like, get away from Jeffrey Epstein. We know who he is. And he wouldn't get away from Jeffrey Epstein and they divorced. That's kind of a big deal. Kind of a big deal. Yeah, when he's occasionally been pressed on that, it has not gone well for Gates. I mean, we don't know what happened there, but something weird was going on. Very.

Yeah. And, you know, he stole all the technology from Xerox in the first place. It's a minor issue. Pat Gray, thank you so much. Appreciate it. Pat Gray from Pat Gray Unleashed his podcast. You can get wherever you get your podcast or here on Blaze TV before this podcast and broadcast. Do you remember that time that the White House came out and said,

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program and we really want to thank you for listening. J.D. Vance is going to be joining us here in just a few minutes soon as he jumps on the phone. I know he's got a very limited schedule, but we wanted to talk to him about what was going on with the Trump trial. Also want to hear, you know, about him possibly being vice president. How is that, how are those conversations going? Currently tied for the second, or he's the second favorite, right? You have two people tied for first, which is Doug Bergam and Tim

Scott. I don't see either of those happening. I don't see either of those happening. That's just, again, we're just guessing here. We don't have any inside info on this process. I mean, Doug Bergman is, come on. You can't even know his name. I mean, it's Bergam. Now, Bergamentum is real. It's turning into Bergamania at any moment. But the eyebrow guy is out. I just don't see. I know we're getting reporting on it. I just don't believe. It's just my own vibe. I don't know. That's not, I.

And I don't think Tim Scott is strong enough yet. He might be later, but he's not strong enough yet. I just don't see it. He is not strong enough in the defense. And I still think he's not going to cross those loyalty lines that Trump likes. I don't know. I could be wrong. I would love J.D. Vance to be vice president.

J.D. Vance is, I think, I think he's a real choice. I mean, again, he does not check any of the intersectional identity politics boxes. But again, we're told that Trump doesn't care about that. I certainly. don't care about it. He didn't. He picked Mike Pence last time. He picked Mike Pence. I think because of his Christian evangelical connection. He saw that as a weakness. I think that's revealing. And I think that's personally why he will pick Tulsi Gabbard. Because the weakness this time is with women. Women and also abortion. He believed, now look, I, this is not how I feel, but every piece of

reporting from inside the White House and Trump's public statements back up the idea that he thinks if he goes too far on abortion, he's going to lose. Yes. That's what it sounds like. And that's what all the reporting inside of the campaign indicates. He's very much trying to walk this middle line. He's not abandoning what he did with the judges, but he does not want that to be the number one thing. And a guy like Mike Pence would point in that direction.

So you think the religious conservative angle, maybe not the one he goes to here. Tulsi Gabbard, I hate to point out, was a Bernie Sanders campaign volunteer. But the thing of this is Donald Trump. I like her, but geez. What I worry about is his pick is going to be the party after Donald Trump. In four years, that's the setup for the party. Who is it going to be? J.D. Vance, I think, would be great.

Tulsi Gabbard is not the Republican Party. But if you look at this from... Right. She's not. But if you look at it from his perspective, he's got all this divide. Everybody says he's a divider. All right, here's somebody who I don't agree with on a lot, but she agrees on certain principles that America is great. America should come first.

We shouldn't be in all these foreign wars, et cetera, et cetera. I could see her, if not vice president, I could see him, this is not my hope, but this is what I could see him doing. He would think I can appeal to the people who are women in the suburbs by saying, come on, she's, she's, she's, more like you. She works with me. She, we're, we're not what everybody says we are. Right out of central casting.

Right out of central casting. Right out of central casting. You know, I could, I do think it's possible. Okay, we have J.D. Vance on with us now. Hello, J.D. How are you? Hey, Glenn.

Good. How you do, man? Great. Great to talk to you. First, I have to ask you. How are the talks to be vice president going on? I'm just saying. Well, you'll be the first to know, And, of course, the media is very curious in this, but I've never yet had a conversation with Donald Trump about being his white president.

Really? Until I do, I will assume that this is a lot of media speculation. Wow. What you do about nothing. Well, we're pulling for you, actually. We're pulling for you. So let's talk a little bit about Trump and the trial. This trial is more than just a kangaroo court.

This is, there is, there's nothing to this trial. How do you think it's going? Well, I think it's, I mean, the only thing it really matters, of course, is the court of public opinion because it's such a sham trial. I don't think that it's going to hold up on appeal. You know, the basic argument here is that he falsified documents in order to commit a crime, but they can't even identify which crime he allegedly committed. So it's very hard to imagine anything like that can hold up on appeal. Now, look, it is highlighting, I think, how corrupt the justice system has gotten in certain parts of our country.

Right. So you have the number three person at Biden's DOJ who jumps ship and goes and joins a local prosecutor office to participate in this. By the way, he's also, it turns out, a DNC paid consultant. Then you have, of course, a Soros-funded prosecutor who brings the case. It's being presided over by a literal campaign donor to Biden Harris, who is preventing Donald Trump from even speaking on the merits of the case in the court of public opinion. So I think it's really helping Trump politically, which again, I think it's all that matters because most people who have any sense of fairness recognize that this is a sham trial. And so long as it's helping Trump get elected, I think that's the thing that matters most.

I will tell you that I think the line of maybe the year, we're not finished yet, but I think the line maybe of the year is Donald Trump when he came out. I think it was yesterday and said, the Constitution is well worth me going to jail for. it's worth more than me trying to stay out of jail. So put me in jail. And I thought, wow, I mean, that is a strong, strong stance. As a way of driving home mistakes, doesn't it?

Yes, it does. This guy is literally trying to prevent him from speaking. The Democrats have made this a major political issue. The Democrats are fundraising off of it, you know, Biden Harris campaign sending around, you know, fundraising emails. Oh, isn't it funny that Donald Trump's in court today sent us money? And yet the judge is preventing Trump for participating in what is right now the most lively political debate of the country. So it really, I think, again, just drives home how much these guys have lost their minds. And, you know, I've even seen polls here that Biden, people who plan

to vote for Joe Biden recognizes this fundamentally a sham trial. Now, here's the crazy thing about this, Glenn, is, you know, I do a lot of hostile media. It's one of the things I like to do is sort of taking our case to the other side. And I've sat in green rooms with people who months ago were angry at Alvin Bragg for bringing this case because it was such a weak case. Right. But now that it's the only case that's actually gone to trial because the rest of them have fallen apart, you see the media treating this as legitimate. And I don't think anybody believes them, right? There's just no credibility here and everything that further erodes their credibility is, in my view, a good thing.

So let me ask you a couple of other questions. I know we have limited time. Let me first stop with the campus protest funding. And Biden holding back aid bullets to Israel. Isn't this exactly what Donald Trump was impeached for? He held back, congressionally approved javelins from Ukraine. And now Biden is holding back ammunition from Israel. what's the difference?

Of course, the only real difference is I think that Donald Trump actually was engaged in diplomacy and was negotiating with the Ukrainians and also other folks in the region about how much aid they should be providing. Of course, it shouldn't just be America, whether you support Ukraine or not. What's different about this is I think you're taking one of the few truly bipartisan issues in this country that we should be supporting our allies of Israel and you're allowing it to be dictated by the far left. Now, I have a little bit of a different.

take on this, Glenn, because I think what Biden is doing is really killing two political birds with one stone here. One, as I've been warning for months, we don't have enough ammunition to send to Ukraine and Israel simultaneously. We have to pick one. Well, the Biden administration, I think, has picked the corrupt Ukrainian regime over our long-term ally of Israelis. I think it's disrespectful. But simultaneously, he's going to his left flank and saying, the reason I'm doing this is because, you know, B.B. is bad. And because we don't like the way. way that BB is prosecuting the war. So he gets to tell his left flank what they want to hear while covering for the fundamental failure of his foreign policy. It's one of the reasons,

Glenn, it was such a bad idea for Republicans to give Biden this security supplemental. It's such a big bill that it sort of allows Biden to hide his priorities and to have his cake and eat it to. The other thing that I want to talk to about is the health care that is now going to illegal migrants. How does this president get away with so much executive power? Nobody gave him the authorization to do this. Nobody gave him the authorization to spend all of this money. Nobody gave him the authorization to relieve or to forgive, quote, all those loans and tie him to the back of the taxpayer. This is a very important concept in our constitution. It's why congressmen have to be reelected every two years, because we want them to answer for the money

they just spent or allowed to be spent. Well, you're right, Glenn. And I mean, look, we know that at this point Biden is a tyrannical president who will violate the law, and it is a violation of the law. But I don't want to let us off the hook here, because we should know at this point that when we appropriate Joe Biden a big chunk of money, he has sometimes. going to violate the law and the way that he actually distributes it. And this means that Congress actually has to take a little bit more assertive of a role, has to be willing to cut off certain

appropriations, not write Biden these blank checks. This is really important, Glenn. Congress increasingly, you know, again, with this massive security supplemental, when you write Joe Biden a check, you can't go to the American people and say, well, you know, he's doing this illegally. Well, that's true, but you know he's going to do it illegally, so you have to be a little bit more careful about how we give this guy authority in the first place. And I have to say here, Gwendo, this giving health care to illegal aliens is, it should offend every single American. We have a social safety net in this country. Medicaid exists for impoverished people to help pay their medical bills. If you allow folks who should not be in this country to begin with,

who are here illegally, to literally take from the mouths, of American poor children so that we can fund their health care, then whose side are you really on? And I think it's becoming increasingly clear that Biden doesn't like the people who currently make up the citizenry of this country, and he's trying to change the way the country operates, resources, the way that we vote. And that's what his illegal immigration push is all about. Well, I just cannot believe that, you know, those at the very bottom of the scale, the ones that the Republicans have said they care about the most, forever, the black families that are trapped in Chicago and are barely making ends meet.

How are they to view the government when they're not getting, you know, they're not being put up in a hotel someplace? They're not getting all of these perks. And yet we're doing it for people who just came here. I mean, if I were on the receiving end or on the need end of this and I was a citizen, And I'd be like, dude, what are you doing? You never did this for me. You never did this for, you know, my family is we were struggling.

Absolutely. They just sleeping on park benches. At the same time, we're handing out free health care to people who violated the law to come to this country in the first place. It's completely disgraceful. And I think a lot of people should be looking around and saying, who does Joe Biden actually stand for? Right. The Democrats say that they care about the little guy. Let me just tell you just a brief story.

And I have a dear friend of mine who's getting up there in years, who is now eligible for Social Security. He basically found out that there were a number of illegal aliens who had used his Social Security number to get a whole host of benefits, including Social Security benefits. When he went to the government and said, hey, I'd like to know who's using these things so I can report to the police, they basically told him, no, we don't reveal people's personal information, even illegal aliens who are committing social security fraud. this is the kind of country that Joe Biden has created where the very things that we do as a country to help the least fortunate are being given away to illegal aliens instead of American citizens. I cannot stand it. J.D., thank you so much. Senator J.D. Vance from Ohio, always good to have you on. Thank you. Thanks, once you. God bless you, bet.

This is the best of the Glenn Beck program. I want to welcome back to the program, Ryan Morrow. He is a counterterrorism expert. an investigative researcher for the Capital Research Center, where he monitors extremist groups in the U.S. He is also an adjunct professor at Regent University. Ryan, welcome back to the program. How are you? I'm doing well. Thanks for having me back. Thank you so much for doing all of this work.

It is, it's crazy that when I read your work now, I'm brought back to 2008, and I see exactly the same names, the same circle of people. people all returning to do what they did during Occupy Wall Street? That's exactly right. It's the same model, except this is more successful and for various reasons. And I'm sorry to say, it appears to be more militant, because it's increasingly militant and revolutionary, because we've been monitoring probably around 250, 300 different

groups all at once. and we haven't fully investigated all of them. And my expectation based on my past work that you're familiar with with the Muslim Brotherhood and Philhainee, and that type of thing was that this would be a coalition and people would be surprised by the proportion of which are Islamist extremists,

but there'd be, you know, why cast of characters? I've got to tell you, so far my list, which is only a portion of what we have, I've come up with over 120 terrorism-tied organizations involved in these protests, almost all of which support Hamas and the October 7th attacks, and I can prove it because they all said it. So there isn't much diversity here. This was conjured up and is being implemented by a group of Hamas supporters,

some of which have ties to Hamas more directly. So I remember in 2010, I said, you will see an effort from Islamists, Marxists, anti-capitalists, communists, they'll all come together to disrupt the order and try to collapse the West. And I was made fun of because people said, like the Marxists and the Islamists have anything to do with each other. And I said, they're not going to be calling each other up. they just all see the opportunity to destroy more of America and destabilize us. Do you think that's what's happening? Any of that? Yeah, well, you're being proven correct, and you're going to be increasingly proven correctly

once we finish our huge expose, breaking down the entire makeup of this group and all the messaging that they're using. And you're right, they don't call each other up, but they do communicate on social media and telegram chance and the rest of it because their language, their way of talking, is now so similar because it's so revolutionary, and they've kind of combined their different causes into one thing, even if they disagree on what happens after their revolution succeeds. They kind of put that off to the side. But, yes, that that coalition is coming together. And I would say there's kind of like four concentric circles where on the outermost layer,

you have the more typical Muslim Brotherhood-style groups that are a bit cautious, but they imply their support for criminality, some military and see for come off. But, you know, they, we condemn terrorism, but like, if you know how they talk, you know what they're saying. And then you have the next circle in where they're very similar, but they go to set further and passing around guides on how to do criminal acts of protest. So they're a little bit more militant. And then you move further in, and those are the people that are saying, well, we need to escalate on the college campuses. Let's fight the police. Let's get a little bit more destructive.

And then there's this inner circle that I think can be accurately described as domestic terrorists. And I'm watching what they're saying to each other and what they're advocating. And they're passing around descriptions and guides on how to do every conceivable, violent and act of sabotage that you can think of. And their debate and their argument and they seem to be gaining ground is that we're having so much success that, yes, of course we should escalate in the college campuses and the typical places we show up, the congressional offices, all that. But we're really doing so well right now that we should broaden out our campaign

and not make it about influencing opinion and policy, but imposing our will. Let's dismantle the nationwide infrastructure that enables the U.S. and Israeli military alliance and capitalism and all of that to continue. So it's no longer a debate. We just make you follow our orders. As somebody who, you know, researches, you know, as a researcher on terror, how likely is, how likely is it that we're going to see a massive terror strike, even if it's not something like 9-11, but it's several groups all around the country doing something around the same time to just really throw us off?

The impression I get is that they may not take the exceptional risk of trying to coordinate it down to the very, second or the very same hour, but they say generally, okay, now it's go time. In fact, that's what they're saying in the communication of saying. I'm saying, a lot of them are saying, yeah, maybe we should wait, well, while we do the college campus first, it's in that kind of stage of discussion. But they're all envisioning a large number of small attacks over a short period of time, and they see that as the most likely way forward as opposed to this resource-intensive operation, like a 9-11, has a higher chance of failure. Right, right. Who is actually funding this? Who are the big people that are funding?

Well, some of the names that you mentioned certainly are involved, but I've got to say based on what little data is available, and people will be shocked how little data is available and what you can get away with as a nonprofit and these different schemes that they have in order to hide any type of transparency, but of what little data we have, the names that you mentioned, the Soros, the Tide Foundation, all of those are donating to these types of groups that are putting this together. but that appears to be a tiny percentage of the overall spending and revenue that they have. The rest seems to be coming through means unknown, maybe private donors or businesses or these various schemes that they have, and that makes it much more frightening because we don't have a clue in general. How much money do you think we're talking about? With all these groups, I mean, if we've identified 120 tarotide groups, just on our own.

They're operating budgets and everything else. I mean, you've got to be talking about altogether. I mean, definitely millions, probably tens of millions. So is there any lead, or is this just a collection of people that are kind of, you know, thinking alike? Or are they highly coordinated? They're highly coordinated when it comes down to the cell level. And as they're trying to assemble these. types of insurgent and guerrilla networks on the local level.

That's much more organized. And then in the broader scheme of things, in doing these types of protests, there's less coordination because there just doesn't need to be. Everyone's focused on the same thing. Everyone kind of has the same objective. So you don't need as much command and control. But there's certainly organizations that are more powerful than others, all sorts of coalitions with sub-coilitions.

And so you have groups like the U.S. campaign for Palestinian rights that alone has about 300 groups in their, network and they present themselves as very moderate. But then in the activist guides, the toolkit that they send around, they'll have links to websites that talk about how to do illegal direct actions as part of the protest. And of course, they have links to Hamas overseas. They send money to the Palestinian territories for the BDS campaign and like a specific structure that actually has Hamas in it. So it's not even an indirect thing. But of course, they get mainstream credibility. and then they look just fine according to the people I talk about these issues.

So, you know, I'm looking at some of the things that you have dug up. Now it looks like UCLA, Columbia, USC, and other college campus encampments were planned pretty much right after October 7th, beginning in November 2023. Yeah, that's definitely true. As soon as one group starts doing it and starts getting chatty about it, then other groups are going to start talking to them about it. So that's a very easy thing to happen. It started becoming a trend as soon as the effort began.

And honestly, I think Hamas and their affiliates would have been crazy not to at least have some discussion right before they did the October 7th attacks about, all right, well, how are we going to operate politically in the United States and elsewhere in dealing with the Israeli response? Like, that conversation had to take place. And you might have seen the fruits of it when immediately after the United States. the attack yet the students for justice in Palestine saying not just they support the attacks, which is how most of the media reported it. Oh, they said that they support the attacks. How outrageous. No, what they actually said was, and this is an almost direct quote, is we're not just saying we're in solidarity with the resistance movement that carried out the attack, obviously referring

to Hamas, but they want to say Ahmad. We're part of it. They absorbed themselves into it and so that they were acting in allegiance to them under their direction. That crosses the line into material support for terrorism. That's the provision of personnel and resources. That's a very different thing than how the media characterized, and that's why Ron DeSantis was much more justified than how it was characterized when he shut down two of the students for justice in Palestine chapters on college campuses in Florida. It's amazing. Amazing that our government is really doing nothing on this. What is the percentage of those that we see on television that are actual believers know what they're doing compared to useful idiots?

The majority are going to be useful idiots, I think, that we're enticed by, aside from being at that age where you're eager to try to figure out your role in the world, I feel like you're doing something positive. I mean, it's just psychology at that age. But the overall message of, hey, do you oppose genocide? Do you oppose war? Do you oppose the conditions of the Palestinians. And well, here's our argument that for opposing Israel, because that will result in peace, ceasefires, and improvement and liberation for the Palestinians. And that's a lot of the people is now an intellectual, detailed argument. And I've got to say that culturally, and, you know, I'm not that old, not the young, I'm 37, but I've seen a shift over the past, like, six or seven

years where the unjustified arrogance of the youth when it comes to play. political issues is just outrageous. The degree of surrogity that exists, and that's really weaponized by these groups. Right. For these to be the elite campuses, it just shows how bad our educational system is. These people are morons, just morons. We're up against summer, and graduations are happening. What happens in the summer?

Does this go away and then pick back up in the fall? what is the plan if you know? I mean, the plan is definitely to continue as it always is, but I think unlike the incidents with Black Lives Matter and other times in the past, those are generated by specific incidents, and over time the memory of those incidents and the emotional backlash dissipate,

whereas this is more of a permanent thing because Israel is not going to stop the operations in Gaza against Hamas. That situation is not going to resolve itself, and so it has much more, longevity. So it will continue into the summertime. A lot of groups have put their credibility on the line into saying we're going to act over

the summer and to the future. And even just from a more selfish operational standpoint, a lot of these nonprofits seem to be raising a lot of money and getting a lot of members. And so regardless of the cause, there's a real selfish motivation on each one of their parts to keep the chaos going. BLM, some people got very, very rich off of that. Right, right, exactly. Ryan, thank you so much for everything that you do.

When you have more information, please reach out, because I'd love to have you on again. It's really important work that should be heard by everybody. Thank you so much. All right, thank you, Glenn. You bet.