The Glenn Beck Program - Best of the Program | Guests: Sen. Mike Lee & Kellyanne Conway | 5/27/22

Episode Date: May 27, 2022

Glenn and Stu discuss how something about the Uvalde attack doesn't feel right. Sen. Mike Lee, the author of the upcoming book "Saving Nine," talks with Glenn about the Second Amendment and the importance of maintaining nine justices on the Supreme Court. Former Trump campaign manager Kellyanne Conway joins to discuss her new memoir, "Here's the Deal," her relationship with her husband, George, and her time in the Trump administration. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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It's unfair. All right. Anyway, here's today's podcast. It's really good. Mike Lee is with us. Kelly Ann Conway. I mean, she dishes the dirt. And it's not really dirt.

I mean, she's just very, very frank about what happened. I still don't know what current status of the relationship with her husband is, though. Even after you talked about it with her extensively, I still don't know. No, they're still married, but I'm not really. Anyway, it's a great podcast today. Don't miss a second. Here it is. You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck program.

I want to be very, very careful because I don't want to have to apologize for anything. And that's what we all should be thinking. Let's not say things that we don't know to be true or take positions on things. not sure. We do not have all of the facts. And I'm not going to throw the police under the bus. I am going to question the federal marshals that were there. Where the hell were you? What were you doing? I am going to question them. I think we have enough information there. You're wearing tactical gear. Why the hell is in your ass inside? But the police, I don't know. And it's not looking good. for them, but let's not take sides on things and do what the left does before we know the truth.

Yeah, the only thing, again, you try to construct any reason why they would do some of these things. It's very difficult to understand. I mean, the only thing that I keep coming back to is the difference between, let's say, an active shooter situation and an inactive shooter situation. If you, you know, you think about every hostage movie you've ever seen, right, where a person, maybe he's, he's not actively shooting, he's holding them hostage, or maybe he's, you know, this is horrible. But you would hear that they would have said. Right. He was holding them hostage.

We had contact with him. We were negotiating, et cetera, et cetera. Right. The right move might be in a situation where he's holding him hostage, for example, not to bust in because he might kill more people, right? Right. The other thought is, you know, as dark as this is to think about, potentially he had already done the killing in this room and was barricaded in this room. Right. And therefore, the thought from the police officers may have been, hey, let's evacuate all the other kids, get everybody else out of the rest of the school.

Wouldn't have taken an hour. If you had him, if you thought that he was barricaded and killed everybody in that classroom, okay, which he did except for two, right? We do know, yeah, we do know that that was not accurate, at least. Because there is a story and it's the worst story you're ever going to hear. I don't want to hear it all, but just give me the details. Quickly, it seems like the agent said, hey, if you need help, You know, let us know. And one of the kids who was hiding said, I need help.

He heard them, came over and killed the kid. This is from another child who was in the room who witnessed the incident. Okay. So again, like it's as dark as it can possibly be. But you can see, you can construct a scenario where they believe the most, the, the smartest thing to do because there wasn't ongoing active shooting going on was to try to protect everyone else. So, but I mean, that does. Let's just, let me ask you this. You don't know.

Did this classroom have windows? If so, did anybody have eyes on the shooter or the classroom from the outside? If not, why? Second, he was locked in. Okay, is locked in. There's no shots being fired. Why wasn't at least one police officer positioned at the door? So if that door opened up, you shot the guy in the head.

Okay? And then, why did it take you an hour to get everybody out? If you know you have him locked in a room, why not go to every classroom and say out now, now, go, go, go, go, go, go, go. Get everybody out. It doesn't take you an hour to do that. So something just doesn't look right on this, and it's most likely unbelievable incompetence.

But I can't, you know what, I just, I can't take the lies anymore. I can't take the not trusting anyone anymore. Let me give you this. AOC. She came out with a statement yesterday. Young women are not doing this. Young non-binary people are not doing this. Trans people are not doing this. This is the issue we have. Young men are being radicalized right now. Really? Who's radicalizing them. Who is radicalizing them? I'm not the one that is turning every student in America into a protester. That would be you and the teachers unions. By the way, you also should check your facts yesterday. Colorado teenager pleaded guilty to multiple charges of murder in the 2019. In the 2019 school shooting outside of Denver that left one student dead, eight injured.

Alec McKinney, who was born biologically a female, but identifies as a male, pleaded guilty to 16 counts, including first degree murder and attempted murder and conspiracy to commit first degree murder after deliberation. Please give it a rest, AOC. Now, the same people who are outraged by this in the Democratic Party, congressional Democrats, the Republicans and the Yeah, well, they were the same people that pushed a bill that would have banned federal funding for school police in 2020. You don't want to arm the teachers? Because the majority of Americans now say we should arm the teachers.

Yeah, 54% either strongly or somewhat support the arming of teachers and staff to respond to a school shooting. Only 35% somewhat or strongly oppose. So don't tell me about our extremist out of step. Most people want guns taken away. When actually that's not true, common sense would be put police there. lock all the doors. Arm the teachers. But you know who's against that?

Oh my gosh. You know, here. And this is why, you know, all the Democrats can be counted on not going for this solution, putting guns in schools. Even though the majority of people agree with it. You know why? Because the teachers unions. Yeah, the teachers unions, they don't think it should be.

done. They're against it. In fact, they're not just against it. They're hostile. Our public schools should be the safest places for students and educators, yet the gunshots from a lone shooter armed with a military-grade weapon shattered the physical safety of the school community in Yuvaldi, Texas. You know what also is a military-grade weapon at the time? A flintlock. And then later, it was a cap and ball. And then later, it was the... the M-16. All guns at the time are military grade. Why do you need that it's a weapon of war?

So was the Flint lock. And by the way, no matter how they try to change the history of the AR, it was a hunting rifle first. Oh, dear have a man of Time Magazine has released an op-ed. Sometimes calls for America to return to God are couched in the language of consolation, especially after mass shootings. When 19 children were killed in a school in Yuvaldi, Texas Tuesday,

a Republican from Colorado tweeted, it's times like these that we should as individuals, communities, and a nation, turn to God for comfort and healing. Please, please, America, we are running out of time. please turn back to God and beg for him to heal our land. Marjorie Taylor Green of Georgia followed deflection. Our nation needs to take a serious look at the state of our mental health today. Don't you think we do?

Don't you think we do? Because today, I could claim I'm a woman. Do nothing else. Just sit here with all the. a junk in my pants, but I'm wearing panties, and I can come on say, hey, everybody, I identify and if you make fun of me or even question me, you're the hater, you're the crazy one. No, I don't think so. I don't think so.

No, I think we should look at our mental health today. There's a reason we always hear calls for Christian nationalism rather than for common sense, gun legislation from the right. As we've shown in our research, guns are practically an element of worship in the church of white Christian nationalism. White Christian nationalism? You know who knows about gun rights better than anybody else? The Native American.

Because what happens when the government took the Native American guns away? Oh, they took their land and destroyed them. that's right why is it that Martin Luther King couldn't get a carry permit to carry a gun? Why is it? Because the local sheriff said

you don't need that boy we're here to protect you really they did a bang up job why is it the clan made sure that no blacks could have any guns that way they could tear

them at night. Don't talk to me about how it's a white Christian nationalist idea. It is a nationalist idea, I guess, because we're the only nation that has a Second Amendment because it wasn't written for sports. It was written for a government that was out of control. You know, let me define out of control. One that is canceling everything to do with carbon. uh, based fuel because the government is in charge of everything now.

A government that has just decided to spend us into oblivion, to bail out all of the big guys, make special favors for all the people who have big money. You know, the government where you go to jail for something, but if somebody in the know somebody that's popular, somebody that, God forbid, would do exactly the same thing, or far worse in Washington, they're never held to account, but you'd go to jail. A government that tells its own citizens, close down your business, and you have no choice. Or you're going to jail. A government that says, you're going to wear masks after the government says masks, masks, Don't make any difference.

I think that's a government out of control. And if that doesn't meet your bar, all the things that are going on, if this doesn't meet your bar, just wait until they take your guns away. No, that's not Christian or nationalism. That is common sense gun regulation. You're listening to the best of the government. Glenbeck program. This is the Glenn Beck program. We have Kelly Ann Conway coming up in just about a half hour. We have in studio with us now, Senator Mike Lee. Hello, Mike.

Good to be with you. Mike has put a new book out. We'll talk about it a little bit next week. Saving 9. It's all about the Supreme Court and what they are trying to do the Supreme Court. Why it's so important that they don't win. Let's talk about the Supreme Court. And I want to want to talk to you through guns. Right now we have Biden saying, you know, the Second Amendment's not an absolute. You couldn't have a cannon when this was written. I think you could, Mike. I think you could own a cannon. And you can't have, you know, you can't have weapons of war. That's what a flintlock was at the time. Is it absolute or not? It's absolute with regard to. to weapons commonly held by law-biting citizens for lawful purposes.

So, yeah, that extends to guns, it extends to most guns. It extends to most knives, all knives, as far as I'm aware. You have the right to bear arms. This goes back, I mean, nearly 500 years. This was a deeply honored tradition and something protected under the English Bill of Rights, long before we became a country. So, but wait a minute. So you said you have a right to own a weapon that is legally allowed to be held.

Well, then, so could Congress just pass laws that just say, and that would be constitutional? They could say, you know what? Only six shooters are allowed. And I mean, you know, revolvers. Well, no, because we have a long history and tradition of allowing people to have guns. and commonly held by law-abiding persons for lawful purposes, peaceful purposes. So if there is an established tradition for that weapon, then you've got a Second Amendment right to it. That doesn't mean that we can't keep it away from people who are convicted felons

or who have been convicted of a misdemeanor offense of domestic violence or are addicted to drugs or have some other mental health. Yes, who have been adjudicated in- competent by a court of competent jurisdiction. So you have, first of all, California, just the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals, just said that they're under 21 gun restriction is unconstitutional. And I don't know how we can ask somebody who is 18 to go fight a war for us with a gun and a lot of dangerous things and lay down their life as a citizen for this country.

and then when they come home, if they come home, you know, before they're 21, they don't have full rights of that citizenship. By the way, what do they lay down their life for their country holding? Their weapon of choice is a gun. So they can be trusted in that context, but not elsewhere. It's 16. They're allowed to drive. A car is also a dangerous weapon. It can be used, has been used for that.

And so, yeah, that seems like an arbitrary distinction. So Biden has come out and has said that he wants something has got to be done. That is really dangerous. McConnell has directed John Cornyn to engage with the Democrats on a bipartisan solution on gun violence. I have no respect left for John Cornyn. Even though he is from Texas, he is no friend of liberty. what is that all about? It's hard to say.

I don't know that we've heard from John Cornyn or from Mitch McConnell what exactly, if anything, they want enacted, but I'll tell you this. I'll tell you my approach to it. I do think there is some danger in approaching a national emergency and responding to it by saying,

we need another law. We need another law right now. Every time government expands, every time it extends its reach by passing a new law, it undermines liberty in one way or another. It doesn't mean it's always a bad thing, but it is a bad thing, typically,

to legislate under intense emotion in the immediate aftermath of an emergency or crisis. That's where bad law happens. So, so Mike, what is coming our way? Do you think the Supreme Court knows who the leaker was? Yes, I do. I believe the Supreme Court almost certainly has figured it out by now. I believe the Supreme Court probably figured out within a couple of days who the legal

wars. And I suspect, don't know this, but I suspect what they're doing is they're wanting to wait until the end of the term, until after the Dobbs ruling has been announced before airing to the world who it was, because that might just add to the confusion, the discussion around it. And it might also. But you think somebody will pay for that? Yeah, I do.

I do. I think they know who it was. And I do think that that person will have consequences. If, as I suspect, it was a law clerk, I think that law clerk likely will never practice law. That's not okay to leak confidential information, not your own to the world. And this was very, very sensitive information. I hope somebody pays for it because that's another problem we have in America right now. People don't trust the system.

And there's really not a lot of reasons to trust it. nobody seems to pay for crimes. And that's the sad part about this, is that in that case, this was one system that still has been trusted. Yes. The Supreme Court of the United States. Look, warts and all, they issue plenty of rulings that I disagree with that I don't like. Our federal court system is the best of its kind in the world. And we benefit from it tremendously as Americans because of it.

When you leak an opinion before it's out, trying to impact the outcome of that, particular dispute. You undermine the credibility of the court. That's what the left's trying to do. So did they, do you think this changed or hardened the stance of this leak, hardened the stance of those that were for, you know, the leaked opinion? I hope and I fundamentally believe that it will harden the stance of those who had already decided preliminarily to cast their votes with Justice Alito's masterfully written opinion. I think so too. It was beautiful. It was brilliant. Anyone on either side of this issue should read that opinion because it is fantastic. Yeah. So now we have, let me go back again, because I'm looking at what's coming. I'm building this to the nine justices that they're going to want to pack the court.

We have a couple of cases that are just as strong as Roe versus Wade in their area. Do we not? We have one on gun rights. We do indeed. At New York State Rifle and Pistol Association versus Brune, a case in which I submitted an amicus brief, a friend of the court brief, very significant issues related to the second. Which means what the argument is, New York and I know it because I couldn't get a gun in New York. And I had 15 active threats on my life the entire time I was in New York. you have to prove that you have a need to carry a gun. An exceptional need.

Yes. You have to prove that you are differently situated than most citizens and that you have this heightened need to it. What they're doing is taking a generally applicable right that the founding fathers gave us and said, okay, this obviously can't be for everyone. It can't even be for most people. fact, we're going to make it only available under exceptional circumstances. It's rather the

opposite of a right. Right. Right. So we have that coming out. Anything else that's real controversial that you think they will? There are some administrative law decisions coming out that I hope, I suspect, could end up having some bearing on the ability of executive branch agencies, unelected, unaccountable bureaucrats to make law. Okay. But the real, the gun one, and abortion will could ignite the streets and then also start a push for packing the court. Yes, that's what they do. And Glenn, that's why I wrote my book, Saving Nine, which is available on pre-order now. You can buy it on Amazon now, Saving Nine.

I started writing this over a year ago because I predicted this very thing happening. I started thinking, I realized, by gosh, we could end up in a situation by the summer of 2022. where Roe gets overturned. And in response to that, the left will try to demonize and delegitimize the court and isolate those who have voted for it. And they're going to go back to their tried and true playbook of 1937 where they tried to pack the court. So I explain in Saving Nine how it is that this backfires, this backfires on the best judicial system in the world. Why it is that in 1937, the last time the Democrats tried this, it left a lasting mark, a mark that has come. caused all sorts of problems in our government ever since then. The threat of court packing,

even though it didn't succeed there, influenced the court. It harassed and intimidated the court to the point that the court deferred blindly to FDR and changed the law. So FDR did this, but the Democrats, generally speaking, were against it. It was the Democrats that were fighting along with the Republicans fighting FDR on this. You don't have that situation now. You don't have that situation now. And in fact, the very same Democrats who have for decades decried quirk packing, they're ashamed that their party did this, are now changing course. They're now back on board. Look, Joe Biden, when he was in the Senate, called it a boneheaded idea. It was a boneheaded idea when FDR did it, and it would be a boneheaded idea now. Right. His words not mine.

Ruth Bader Ginsburg, just a couple years ago before she died, said essentially the same thing. Democrat after Democrat had said this. But now they're ignoring all that. Now they're saying, but we have to do it. And that's because in my opinion, the Democrats are not Democrats. They're more Marxist revolutionaries. Because this is, once you lose this, you're done

as a nation. Are you not? Well, yeah, you're done at least as a nation that lives under the rule of law. Because in order for the rule of law to work, in order for a Republican form of government to work in a constitutional Republic like ours. You do have to have a neutral independent arbiter of what the law means when

people disagree as to the law's meaning. You lose that if you pack the court because the court then becomes a political football. It stops resembling a court and starts to resemble the intergalactic Senate in Star Wars where so many people can't be managed. Right. One last thing I want to talk to you about, the Durham case. I just talked to Bill Barr and he told some fascinating behind the scenes stuff. That's a podcast that's out today. And I was really actually angry with him. Like, where was this?

And he had really good explanations for all of it. He said that he knew that Durham would continue. But we're looking at now the, I mean, it looks like it's tying right directly to Hillary Clinton. I mean, it looks bad for Sussman and the Clinton campaign. However, the jury is from Washington, D.C. There are two donors to Hillary Clinton's campaign. I mean, it's a very tainted jury.

Is there anything that, I mean, if the facts are there and the jury dismisses it, it's over, right? Yes. That is a central feature of our system. Correct. When a crime is prosecuted, you've got a jury, and the jury makes a decision. The jury's decision is unreviewable. So then if they don't pay again, if nobody pays for this, what do we, how do we retrieve? Yeah, that's a good question.

So it's true, the jury's decision in that case is unreviewable. Those are protections we offer for the individuals accused. And it should be. And I agree with double jeopardy shouldn't happen. But when you get a jury that decides not to convict for whatever reason, that doesn't mean the facts go away. It doesn't mean the evidence isn't there. It doesn't mean the American people can't, won't be, and shouldn't be informed by the evidence presented to the jury. We still will have that.

The best of the Glenn Beck program. Well, it is a pleasure to welcome on the program. The author of Here's the Deal and former Trump campaign manager, former senior counselor to President Trump, Kelly Ann Conway. Hello, Kelly Ann. How are you? I'm wonderful. Glenn Beck. And thank you for having me. today. You bet. You hear your voice in person. Yeah, thank you. Um, so I have to start, because this is the, I mean, I'm sorry, but this is the thing that I've always wondered, you and your husband, are you like

James Carvel and Mary Matlin? No, we're not. And I know, I'm glad you asked that question, because other people just write it and they presume it. That's not what this is. He was never a Democrat working against my Republican presidential candidate. That would be James Carvel, who helped, to make Bill Clinton's career, Mary Madeline, very smart Republican strategist who worked for the Bushes and others. In this case, George and I both were of a single mind that Donald Trump had to beat Hillary Clinton and become president of the United States. George was incredibly supportive, even helpful, accompanied the campaign many nights after leaving his own job a few blocks away from Trump Tower. And I write in the book, this new book, Here's the Deal, when great

beach read, great Father's Day gift, get on it, folks. I write there very explicitly, that people say, without Kellyanne Conway, Donald Trump would not have been elected in 2016. That's debatable, but what will never be in doubt is that without George Conway, Kelly and Conway, could not have been the campaign manager in this closing months of 2016 to the extent I was. He encouraged, if not insisted me, to take my shot. George was the only person I told in the hours after Mr. Trump offered me the campaign management job, and he said, Kelly, and you're doing this. He can actually win with you, and I'll help out more at home, and he did.

And so people just need to know the facts. And George and I had something else in common, and not just as parents of these four wonderful children, Glenn Beck, but we had in common that we both accepted big jobs in the Trump administration. Everyone knows my job. They saw me out there again and again. But George had accepted a position as a nomination as the head of the Civil Division of the U.S. Department of Justice. That's a big job. and he, you know, did that now.

He changed his mind about Donald Trump. This is America. We can all do that, Glenn Beck. You can change your mind about Donald Trump, about politics, about what you're having for dinner, whatever it is. But to do it in such a public way was so not George and was so not helpful to his wife and to our family. Why did he feel it was necessary? You say it wasn't like him.

Can you get into that? Why did he feel it was so necessary? I think people who change their mind. mind about Donald Trump and people who are already congenitally afflicted with Trump derangement syndrome, for which there are no therapeutics and no vaccine. They feel, look around. There certainly isn't. They feel duty-bound to express that publicly because they find an immediate and equally

vociferous hungry audience in so doing. But as I put in my book, you know, I missed the privately brilliant George Comway, not the publicly bombastic one that he had become. And listen, George is a very smart. person. You graduated at Harvard at 20, graduated Yale Law School at 23, made partner at the premier law firm in New York City at 30, unheard of in these days after five years only, unheard of it. And he's, we've been married for many decades. We have four children together. What this all comes down to is, I don't understand what was happening. The reason I call it

cheating by tweeting is because of how he was spending his time. So if you have a sidepiece, if you have a Gumaz, the Italians in my family, the Italian men of my family did, growing up, if you had a, you know, you have a mistress, you're spending time with that person, thinking about her, and meeting with her, and being with her, and planning that, and pretending you weren't with her, and I just felt this was very similar in that this, this consumed an awful lot of his time and his attention, and you saw what happened. George Conway became a folk hero, but actually Kellyanne Conway's husband did. I put in the book quantitatively that he was referred to as Kelly Ann Conway's husband routinely, which tells you all you need to know about what their

real motive was, particularly in those beginning months, if not year, which was. was to try to stick it to me, to try to put division between Donald Trump and me, to try to get me to quit my job. I was good at my job. And I loved my job. I loved my public service job. And I was darn good at it. And I was very focused on it.

And I think the media who never knew whose job, you know what? The job of the media, Glenn, is, in my view, to get the story. But they took it upon themselves to get the president and those around him. His family members, his senior staffers, and their families. And they couldn't get enough of Kelly and Conway's husband. I have to ask just one quick follow-up question because you write in the book that Ivanka came to you and gave you, I think, two names of marriage counselors and you guys went. You guys are married and are things better now? We did not go.

I put in the book that we never went. Oh, you did not go. I thought you had two names. I thought she gave you two names and he said yes to one. That's right. He said no to one. And then he sort of shrugged at the other and we never went. And the way I look at it is that it wouldn't be so public about.

something so private, except it's important to know that I take my marriage vows very seriously. I've always been faithful to them. And when I said forever, I meant it. And it was very nice to Ivanka Trump, who, and I put in the book, Glenn, that, you know, I was talking to her about something else. Our offices were right next to each other in the West Wing on the second floor. I called the Cool Kids Wing, White House Counsel's Office, me, Johnny DeStefano and Dina Powell, Ivanka and then Larry Cudlow across from us. And I, and I, she was very, you know, Ronca is a very nice person. He's very gracious, very kind. And she gave it to me on a post-it because she knew I was open to receiving it. And she said, listen, I've got lots of Democrats in my family.

I know how this goes. And they're making things harder for all of us. And it was very nice of her. But we never went. And the reason I talk about it is I think that if George wanted to do that, he would have done that because that's the way he's, we see the way he spent his time. He did exactly what he wanted to do. So I want to make very clear right now as I make clear in the book, because I know it gets manipulated, is that George does not owe loyalty and field to Donald Trump or to the President of the United States or to a political party or to this or that. The vows were to me.

So if he wants to change his mind, he can do that. This is America. But changing his mind about me and that job after we moved our family there together, put the kids in new schools, accepted jobs. And even when he took his name out of contention, yes, out of contention for the civil division chief of the U.S. Department of Justice Glenn, he put out a statement, not on Twitter, because he wasn't a much of a tweeter then, put out a statement saying, Mr. President, thank you for this wonderful opportunity,

and of course I still support your administration and the work of my wonderful wife. A couple days later, he set out his first tweet, I put in the book that Sean Spicer, then the press secretary is coming toward me in the East Room, and he said, did you know about this? And he's showing me a tweet that apparently came from George Conway. We have an entire chapter of my new book, here is the deal, Glenn, that says, but George doesn't tweet. And that's exactly what I said.

I said, that can't be true, that he doesn't tweet. That's a fake account or it was back. And we all know the rest of history. Okay, so, you know, you mentioned that Ivanka was very gracious to you. And that's the one thing that I don't think, that never comes out about the president as well. His children are very, very gracious. But he is incredibly gracious and warm in person. It's like he's like a different person when he's not on, you know, when he's not on stage.

Do I have that read right of him? You have it absolutely right. And I know that you've had contact with him, so you know this to be true. You've had conversations with him in person more than a few. Glenn, it is absolutely true. And if Donald Trump was not a good boss, let alone a good boss to women or a good boss to working mothers, of which there were many in the White House, I wouldn't have worked there. Why would I do that?

He was a great boss, and he's very warm, and I think Donald Trump will never get full credit for something he's never asked credit for, which is how many times he positively transformed people's lives by picking up the phone, by making a call, by making his private jet available back in the day, by just connecting a need with opportunity. And he never really, you know, he doesn't brag about that any more than the people who would run around in the comms department saying, I think you should, you know, go do it off-the-record ice cream stop with your nine grandchildren, and he would say, why would I do that? I enjoy them in private. In other words, he's very authentic that way, and he's very warm and gracious.

And even Hillary Clinton, I write in the book, Hillary Clinton, acknowledged as much in a debate. In one of the debates in 2016, Glenn, each of them, Trump and Hillary were asked about the other. Say something nice about the other. Compliment the other. And her compliment of him was, I don't agree with Donald on those things. We disagree on everything, but he has raised really great kids, adult kids. And then look what happened. happened. They went after them and still do. But it absolutely is true. And look, it's a measure. If we can all be remembered for our kids, I think that's wonderful. I said when, you know, when my daughter, Claudia, she was only 12, didn't want to move to Washington. And of the four, you know, I say as a pollster, if you get 75% agreement on something, you're really winning. But as a mom, you basically need to get close to 100% agreement. So I needed all four kids on board. And she was really the holdout. And I really feel for her. And she's a great kid now almost a woman. Claudia, you know, somebody in the Washington Post was doing a profile me, and they said, well, we saw Claudia Conway's on there with a change.org petition, stop the Comway kids from moving to D.C. What's that about? I said, well, at least she's honest. I said, the rest of this country often pretends I'm a revolutionary. I'm a changemaker. I'm going to do this, and they go to McDonald's every night in order number three. In the van, I said, but, you know, at least she admits that she, at least she admits she wants things to say the same and not move.

And they said, well, what do you say to her? I said, Mom, I don't want to go to D.C. and be known as Kelly and Conway's order. I said, guess what? You cure cancer, and I'll be known as Claudia Conway's mother deal. And that's very true. And for Donald Trump, you know, he raised great kids. We're all trying to raise great kids. It's the most wonderful contribution can make to society. It is. I mean, and I know, I mean, that's the one thing I knew the whole time was that his kids loved him. And at the end, I'm not sure my kids would have walked through that wall of fire. I mean, they, they never abandoned him, at least publicly. And I doubt that they agree on everything. But maybe that's just me and I'm not asking for inside information. We're talking to

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