The Glenn Beck Program - Best of The Program | Guests: Tom Fitton & Jason Buttrill | 10/21/20

Episode Date: October 21, 2020

Rudy Giuliani released even more Hunter Biden information alleging some terrible things, and a new photo emerged allegedly of Joe Biden meeting with Hunter’s Kazakhstani business partners. Tom Fitton of Judicial Watch discusses his new book, “A Republic Under Assault," and the real effects of the COVID-19 lockdowns. Jason Buttrill talks the most recent Hunter Biden revelations and the media and social media’s concerning response. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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The little short, bald one. The fat, bald, ugly. What's his name? I believe you're referring to Brian Stelter. Yes, that's him. So he actually said yesterday that this is horrible because it was an accident. It was an accident. I've never fallen off my bike and then suddenly accidentally masturbated.

No, I mean, I'm sure it was it was an accident that he was caught on camera maybe, but I don't know. That could be said for robbers. You know, that could be Nixon. That's an accident. My gosh. All right. So we had that yesterday. Today we start with the really sorted disturbing tale of Hunter Biden that shows that a.

at least on the surface. I don't want to accuse somebody of this at all without really having this to rest. It is in the hands of the police now. But Rudy Giuliani showed an email last night from Hunter Biden to his father saying about how he's endangered little kids and sexual relationship with some 14-year-old.

I mean, it's... I pine for yesterday when the news was just about Jeffrey, Jeffrey Tubin, quite honestly. We also have a lot on that, the communist, socialist, Marxist plan and how to overcome that, what you need to do. We also have judicial watch on to talk about the memos and the emails from Fauci and China that, even with a FOIA request and a court order, doesn't look like they are going to release anytime soon. All of that and so much more on today's. broadcast and don't forget nine o'clock wednesday nights we do the glenbeck uh specials tonight

it's rudy juliani for a full hour no holds part i'm going to ask him every question that i think the press should ask him it'll be tough questions and uh and questions that he wants to answer both sides because we really want an answer to this tonight only on blaze tv and if you subscribe to Blaze TV. Tonight, you use the name Glenn. You're going to save 30%. So that's blazTV.com slash Glenn. Promocode Glenn. You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck program. Sexually explicit materials involving underage girls from Hunter Byton with the police in Delaware. I want you to know this is really serious if this is true and it, I mean, I believe the emails I haven't seen anything else. There is something wrong with the emails on what he's talking about with

underage lovers. But I haven't seen them. I don't ever want to call somebody a pedophile if they are not a pedophile. But we do know that he is out of control. This is sick and really needs to be addressed. And this has nothing to do with the election. I am very interested in the corruption. of Joe Biden. We know his son is sick. If he knew about this, and that's the problem, it looks like Joe Biden knew about this.

And I'm going to give you the email from Hunter to his father. If he knew about this, we're in a whole different ballgame. Text messages and photos discussed by Giuliani and shown last night appear to have been found in a laptop hard drive that purportedly belong to the 50-year-old son of Vice President Joe Biden, who is now the Democratic presidential nominee.

Those computer materials are already in possession of the FBI, but there's an update on that. I'll give you in a minute. According to Rueh Giuliani, and he showed it last night, there's a text message to Hunter's father in which he says the following, and he's discussing his sister-in-law, who for quite some time was his last night. lover. He says, quoting, she told my therapist that I was sexually inappropriate. This would be with the unnamed 14-year-old girl. The text messages shown on the screen with some parts blacked out as Giuliani continued to read from them said Hunter Biden's sister-in-law went on

to say that he was being sexually inappropriate with a redacted name when she says that I FaceTime naked with her and the reason I can't have her out to see me is because I'll walk around naked smoking crack something something girls on FaceTime. When she pressed, when she was pressed, she said that redacted name never said anything like that. But the bottom line is that I created and caused a very safe environment for the kids. Unsafe. Unsafe. Unsafe. I'm sorry. Unsafe environment for the kids. If it stopped there, I would let it go. But then, redacted friend, redacted sober coach.

Okay. So this appears to be, he's talking about Hallie Biden, the widow of Hunter, the brother of Bo who's died. They had a romantic relationship until spring of last year. Giuliani says the text he read, were supported. by numerous pictures of underage girls, but didn't get into what they showed. The former mayor also didn't provide exact date for when the messages were sent, but at one point suggested it was around three years ago. Neither the Biden campaign nor Hunter Biden has denied any other element of the email stories.

Up until now, that they had not denied anything and not really shed light on the, you know, Biden's former business ventures and struggles with drugs, though the former vice president had called it a smear campaign. This goes beyond what we saw with the laptop memos about the Joe Biden in bed, so to speak, with three Chinese communists who were sending money to the, quote, big guy. And that money was $10 million. to be held for the big guy.

Last night, the Delaware State Police, apparently Rudy Giuliani and Bernard Carrick, delivered the materials. Don't know if that was the hard drive or the laptop or we don't know, but it was delivered to the Delaware State Police. They would not comment on that. However, one of the Delaware State Police spokespeople was unable to confirm or deny whether those materials had been handed over, as Rudy Giuliani claimed. However, it does appear, this is according to the source, actually delivered text messages and photos to the Newcastle County Police Department.

They have the hard drive or the laptop or something of that effect. We're going to get more tonight at 9 o'clock with Rudy Giuliani as he joins me live to talk about what's on the hard drive, where the hard drive came from. I really want to hear from you today. I'd like to take your phone calls, 8 at 8-8-727, B-E-C-K. What is it that you think needs to be asked tonight? I want to ask the questions of Rudy Giuliani that no one in the media will ask. and I've got a ton of questions, but I want to hear, do you have a suggestion that maybe I should put up top of the list? This is a really important interview.

There are people that don't believe, and it's the, you know, what's amazing is the press is not debunking any of this, right? They're not doing it. You know what they're talking about? They're talking about the story that is the story. that is the story of the story. So they're not talking about what the story actually is. They're talking about how people are covering or not covering the story without any information, which shows you the penetration.

Oh, geez. Shows you how exposed. How many people know about this story? Call us now 888. 727 B-E-C-K. Now, there's another photograph that has now appeared. A new photograph from the laptop has emerged of Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden, posing with Hunter Biden and a Kazakhstan oligarch,

who reportedly worked with the former VP scandal son. The picture first published by a, Kazakhstan-A-Korruption website follows the revelations last week, detailing how Hunter Biden's overseas business dealings and a report that Biden was a go-between to broker U.S. investments with the Kazakhstanian former president. Now, this photo was shared by the Kazakhstani Initiative on Asset Recovery, and it's a picture of Hunter Biden, the former prime minister, and his son and also Hunter Biden. The Daily Mail published Friday details of Hunter Biden's alleged work in Kazakhstan, claiming he dined regularly with businessmen there and attempted to facilitate. investment for his cash in New York, Washington, D.C. and a Nevada mining company.

So here's the thing. The guy he's in the picture with has close ties to the former president who was running a kleptocratic administration, stealing the wealth of that country blind. And Hunter Biden is now in a picture with Joe Biden and these people that were trying to trying to get their money out of Kazakhstan and into the United States. That's the same thing we now know from new documents that Peter Switzer had that are not related to the laptop, that that's exactly why they received $3.5 million from the oligarch in Russia, the wife of the former mayor of Moscow. So now you have a clear pattern developing.

Now this picture is important because Joe Biden said, no, they never look, our official calendar shows, I never met with these guys. Yeah, well, your official calendar does leave a space open. Unfortunately, the picture shows that you did. And this isn't in the U.S. picture. This is a picture. released by the anti-corruption department in Kazakhstan.

So how many sources are we going to have to discredit? Law enforcement sources reportedly are confirming the emails in question, including one in which the Ukrainian officials were thanking Hunter for inviting him to meet his father are real. FBI has declined to confirm whether or not it's examining the laptop and its contents, but they are now saying these letters, these emails are real. Yesterday, a reporter said, So Wisconsin's Republican Senator Ron Johnson put out a statement on Homeland Security letterhead saying Hunter Biden, together with other Biden family members, profited off of the Biden name.

Is there any legitimacy to Senator Johnson's, claims. Biden said, none whatsoever. Now, this is really important. None whatsoever. This is the same garbage Rudy Giuliani Trump's henchman. It's the last ditch effort in this desperate campaign to smear me and my family. There's no, there's no, there's nothing here. Listen to this. Even the man who served with him on that committee, the former nominee for the Republican Party said there is no basis to this and the vast majority of the intelligence people have come out and said there's no basis at all. He's talking about something that was said long ago. He's not talking about the new evidence. Have you noticed that? Every statement has been about what the Republican said, even Donald Trump's

own supporter said under oath. Yeah, when was that questioning? That was during the impeachment and there was no smoking gun. We didn't have any of these documents at the time. So he is trying to say, no, everybody has already cleared us of this. No, not of these new documents. Wall Street Journal editorial came out today, said Joe Biden has to answer the questions now about this. Ron Johnson asked the Secret Service to provide information about Hunter's

travel history says he needs it in the next 10 days. We don't have any word on whether that's happening or not. I want to give you a theory. I want to give you a theory on why this laptop showed up at this repair shop. It is only a theory, but I think it's worth exploring. I'm going to give you a theory. People are saying, how did Hunter Biden, why would he possibly drop this laptop off? Have you ever known anyone to self-sabotage?

Have you ever known anyone who just wants things to stop but doesn't know how to stop them? What Giuliani shared last night was the text message to Joe Biden from his son. and I just want to give you just this. He said, the sister-in-law claimed that I was being sexually inappropriate when she said that I FaceTime with someone naked with her and the reason I can't have her out to see me

is because I'll walk around naked smoking crack and also doing something with girls on FaceTime. I pressed her. She said that she never said anything like that, but the bottom line is, I create and caused a very unsafe environment for the kids. I'm not sure he's talking about some third party 14-year-old. I think he may be talking about Bo's children.

When he says, I created a very unsafe environment for the kids. If it's stopped there, I would let it go. But then he goes on and it's all redacted. He's discussing this with his father. And in another email that I read that was discussing about how he has put the family in danger. And he also is a little angry with his father because he said, this is the campaign that's doing this. and he's

expressing sorrow and anger and desperation. He wants out. I think it's possible that whether he knew he was doing it or not, if that signature of Hunter Biden turns out to be authentic, and he is the guy who dropped it off, I think it's because he wanted this to end. I think his father You know, I've always thought good things about Joe Biden with his kids

And he was just protecting But these documents show Joe Biden Was using his son to enrich the family And you don't do that to somebody who is struggling From massive, massive alcohol and drug problems You don't And it appears if these things are true It appears as though he knew

about it and he was using his son and just trying to hold him together so he could enrich the family. That's despicable. And if that's true, it makes sense that Hunter would release this because he wants out and his father is part of the problem that he's facing. He can't get away from his problems because his father is like, just do these things. It's Michael Corleone and friends. I was going to say it's succession.

I mean, what member of the of the Biden family is writing succession for them? It is. Because he is just Kendall. If you've watched the show at all on HBO. Yeah. It is, it's that story, basically.

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You bet. You write in your new book, I don't want to quote, in 2020, the left has even weaponized the COVID-19 pandemic. There are a number of ways our republic can be and is under assault. One of the most unsettling and truly vile would be the attempt to weaken its freedoms, its laws, its borders, and accountability of its government by exploiting a global pandemic for partisan or personal gain. Yeah, well, that's what's happening. I mean, there's no good reason for the continued lockdowns other than a political agenda,

mostly to get Donald Trump. In fact, the science suggests that some of the lockdown measures are unhelpful and dangerous and deadly. There's new numbers out just yesterday and today talking about how young people are being killed in part, thanks to the lockdown trauma. So you have increased deaths related to overdoses and things like that. It's just awful. It is. And, you know, we've never had lockdowns to curtail an epidemic like this.

It's never happened before in human history. The idea you would shut down an economy to curtail an epidemic is the equivalent of we're going to kill the patient to save them. And so we've had this radical experiment done on the American. people, I don't recall giving informed consent to it. No. And there is no health basis for it. CDC never recommended it. And what is the result then? We have people praying in New York for fear, you know, for fear being arrested, being told that, you know, you wear the wrong kind of mask, you'll be thrown off a plane.

You can't even travel anymore. You're so restricted in your liberty. And now we're using it as an excuse to curtail and suppress the right to vote where the left is telling people they're going to die if they vote in person. They shouldn't have to choose their health over their vote, which is about the most suppressive thing I've ever heard in terms of the right to vote. And so it's resulting in people relying on a more risky way to vote voting by mail. So it's upending our entire society. We have to need to open the society up again.

We've got to get our freedom back. You lodged a FOIA request for the Fauci emails between Fauci and the WHO. What do you think you're going to find? And did they deliver them? I don't think we got them yet. I think we're supposed to get a batch this week, although they didn't want to give us anything until after the election. And it was a request that was really quite specific.

I think it was done with our friends at the Daily Cold News Foundation that give us emails, Around the beginning of the pandemic, communications between Fauci, his top deputy, concerning WHO, China, and the coronavirus. And, you know, I'm a charitable guy, Glenn. I kind of was thinking maybe the Chinese were lying to us. I want to figure out what they were telling us and what lies were going on there. And, of course, they don't want to give us the documents.

They've been slow rolling the release of the records. It's only 4,000 pages or so. They're telling us Fauci has to review them all, which is rather extraordinary. under the Freedom Information Act. It's like saying Hillary Clinton has to review every email before we get. Oh, wait, that already did happen. But that's what's happening now. And so we've got, you know, what did Fauci and the CDC know and we're being told by China

and WHO about the coronavirus in the beginning of the epidemic? It's kind of an important issue. It's a political fight right now. And you have the deep state holding up the records. if you didn't believe in the deep state four years ago, I was kind of there. I mean, I didn't like the term deep state, but I did think that there was a, you know, a legacy class of federal people that just didn't really care. I think that's what the deep state is, but it's more insidious than that, as we're seeing now.

If you didn't believe it in 16, okay, but if you don't believe it now, you're either in in self-imposed ignorance or you just don't pay attention at all. Yeah, I used to, my initial phrase for it was alt government. This government that thinks it's beyond control by civil authorities, meaning the people elected and put in place to actually run the government by the American people. And to be fair, Democrats and Republican presidents probably know exactly what I'm talking about. Sure. resistance in at the top echelons of the agencies mostly the senior executive service

senior uh well it's literally there's a senior executive service but the top level civil servants who think they know better than the peons uh put in place uh by the american people and they just have contempt for anyone who thinks that they can tell them what to do they see themselves as long-termers and political appointees are short-termers and that's true whether your democrat Now, if you're a Trump Republican or conservative, the contempt is beyond all measure, because the dirty little secret is this deep state leadership I'm talking about. It's entirely, practically speaking, a Democrat and left. You talk about the deep state in your new book. And I want to ask you, it's different than it used to be. I think the Obama administration, and we have shown documents that, lead one to believe this is absolutely true and verifiable, that they really almost militarized that deep state. They really were putting the final touches on it so it could go on and on and

on. And I think that's why Donald Trump is so dangerous to what we have going on in the federal government because he's not a part of it. And he is such a wrecking ball that he's exposing it all of it, are we going to see anyone actually go to jail on the things that are happening? Not without a radical change in who's doing the investigating and prosecuting. I don't think this Justice Department under its current leadership, the FBI under its current leadership, is going to do anything more than we've seen that to date. My perception has been that the criminal investigation has been woefully lacking, and you just can't rely.

It's kind of an old adage. You can't rely on one agency to investigate itself. And that's what's happening essentially with the Justice Department here. We see it with the Biden laptop. It's the weiner laptop all over again, Glenn. They had it. They wanted to hide it. And they only fessed up to having it once someone blew the whistle on it.

Is there going to be a way for the American people to know? I mean, I think we already, I think the American people are realizing, wait a minute, there is something to this. Is there, do you see an end to this that the press finally says, oh, like they did with the Weiner laptop? Well, you know, we were, as the book accounts, we talked about our exposing the Clinton pay-to-play scandal in August of 2016. We didn't time it for that time.

It was just when the documents came out, because the cover-up ended then as we broke it open. And I think this is, this is Hillary Reefat. ducks. And, you know, the grand jury is probably going to be voters on election day, and they're going to figure out whether they want to indict Joe Biden one way or another. And that's the big question. Well, you write extensively in your book about voter suppression and how this is going to possibly change everything. The name of the book is Republic Under Assault by Tom Fitton. So, Tom, So, Tom, do you have confidence that they won't be able to pull off voter fraud on a massive scale and change the results of the election? No, I don't.

And we see this with the Pennsylvania ruling, which I'm sure you've already covered, that of the Supreme Court that allows ballots to be counted without a postmark. Frankly, Glenn, any ballot that comes in after election day shouldn't be counted postmarked or not. No. It's an open invitation to voter fraud undermines confidence. in the elections. I've become convinced, even since I've written the book, it became even more convinced. The left has zero interest in your vote. They don't care about the votes. They've got a process in place and a program in place to overturn the results of the election if it turns out they don't like it. And, you know, we talk just, I'm sure you've

talked about the Transition Integrity Project where you've had a war game and the guy playing Biden was no one other than John Podesta, and their wargaming was pushing it into Congress and having in certain states threatened to secede from the union in order to have the Biden electoral college slates seated. I think you missed the headline there. That war game was, what if Donald Trump wins in a landslide and there's no way to change the result? There's no court case that can change it. He just openly wins in a landslide. What do we do? Anyone who wanted the integrity to be involved with the transition would say, we admit defeat. But that's not what they did.

They said what you just said. That's their plan. If he wins in a landslide. So sure enough, the left is pretending it's the right that won't accept the result of the election, when in fact it's the left that's planning for the type of acts that could precipitate a civil war. And how do I know about this? I read about it in the New York Times. It's incredible.

And we're attacked for raising concerns about what they're doing. This is the best of the Glenn Beck program. We say hello to our chief researcher, Jason Buttrill, who was working on another show that we're going to have to air next week now. It's on the Biden's 100-day plan, his first 100 days in office, if he indeed wins. It's a little terrifying. But we had to change because we booked Rudy Giuliani. for a full hour tonight just to talk to us about the breaking news that that really came out last night, which is really disturbing. So there was a lot, actually, that came out last night.

We had the, we had the Kazakhstan photo that proved a lot of that stuff, right? Okay, hang on just a second. So if you don't know what that is, Joe Biden has denied that he and his son met with the leadership of Kazakhstan, which there were, there were many accusations. of money laundering and trying to get the wealth of the nation out of, out of Kazakhstan. And Joe Biden said, no, there's nothing on our official record. I don't recall that. That didn't happen. Well, now there's a picture.

And he continues to deny that he discussed any of his son's business opportunities everywhere he was running around doing foreign policy things. But we keep showing that that is false. There's just no way. I mean, he lied. He's right there. There's a photo shown him. He did that. And that doesn't say what he did.

but unfortunately that also comes with all kinds of documents now. Right. And not just from the laptop, but from Hunter Biden's former partner who's in jail, prison, and is a little pissed off about it. And a few days ago told Peter Swiser, I come over and I will give you access to my Google email drive. And I'll give you access to 26,000 emails. And now the news that they're having to move him out of the,

facility that he's at to another one because they fear that he might be at risk. Oh, they should put him where, uh, what's his name was? He was fine and the cameras, I'm sure all worked. Yeah, he's probably going right to Rikers. Yeah, go to Rikers. Um, then, then also, we got the news that the FBI has, is also in agreement with the intelligence community, as is the DOJ, that look, this is not a Russian disinformation operation. It is not. Um, there, you have the DNI, now you also have the FBI and DOJ, all saying, this is not true. I just saw a story right before we got on the air with MSNBC, how Trump supporters are being convinced of the truth of these conspiracy theories.

So this is absolutely insane. They're taking the word over Adam Schiff. Adam Schiff is where most of this came from. He's the one that said it. The DNI had to make a very rare public announcement to denounce it, but they're not even listening to that. They're not listening to the FBI DOJ or the DNI. They're listening to Adam Schiff, every single major outlet. I'd tell you what, they have seriously crossed the line during this election. I mean, it is insane how they are sticking with that narrative and running with it.

They won't even comment on this. I don't think the New York Post even still had, do they even have access to their Twitter account even still? I don't think so. From the post? No, I don't think so. The post was told that they have to retract the story before they'll get their their Twitter feedback. That is absolutely insane. Now especially, how much more fact checking do you need to do? Their independent fact checkers are going to work. But I mean, if you notice the stories in the media today are not about the story.

They're about, it's a story about how the story has been blocked or released. So they've skipped even telling their audience what the story is. If you're listening, you know, if you're listening from, you know, the left, you would know that there was a hard drive. It's questionable. There was some documents and the media and Twitter and Facebook blocked it because they were trying to protect from conspiracy theories. That's all you know. Yeah. And what's amazing is if they would have left this alone and just ignored it.

Would have been a lot smaller. It would have been a lot smaller. Axios just put out a report saying how they actually caused this to go viral. It went viral after they put the light on this when trying to censor it. This is a lesson to have they never watched or studied any authoritarian dictatorship all throughout history? Censorship is what brings them down. They push radicals into a corner when radicals didn't even exist before. They forced them to go underground.

They forced them to bring all this stuff out in public. And that's what they're doing. So what's the analysis of why they're doing? doing it then. They obviously have to have some awareness of this or is it just that they're... In their arrogance. They're going to bring themselves down because they're going to be the one that are going to succeed.

And they don't, they honestly believe. I think they honestly believe that their own bubble is the only bubble that really matters or exists. I do think that's a big part of it. I think some of I honestly think, you know, you look at like the extended conversations with some of these guys at these tech companies.

Some of them, not all. Some of them actually think their being like arbiters of free speech in an appropriate way. In a weird way. In a weird way. But like because they think legitimately these things are absolutely,

you know, like they think this is false information. I don't think they do. I really do. I think some of them do. I think maybe some of them do. But I think anyone who is actually looking and says, well, let me see.

I'm not going to report on it, but let me just look at it. I think you're, you're far too intelligent to, actually look at these things and say, yeah, there's nothing here. I mean, it's clear. Nobody's, the Biden campaign is talking all of their denials, go back to the denials from the impeachment hearing. They're saying that, you know, even Donald Trump's own people testified that there was nothing, no wrongdoing. Well, that was, that was six months ago. That's not this. That's not this.

Tell me what you think about the, the really disturbing. a story that Rudy Giuliani and Bernard Carrick brought apparently to the Delaware State Police of Hunter Biden of having sexual relationships with 14-year-old girls. So really disturbing. I personally wish this would not have hit the media right now. I wish I'm so glad that they caught it and I'm so glad that they send it off to the police so that this can be investigated. I just don't. I think. think that there are a lot of people that are trying to make this story about Hunter Biden. This is not a story about Hunter Biden. This is all about Joe Biden. Well, the reason why that came out is

because he apparently admits it in a email to his dad. So his dad knew about it. So that's the connection. But I tell you, it's weird for a group of people who want to make it all into conspiracy theories that they wouldn't they wouldn't immediately jump on that story and say see this is how ridiculous it is i think they're shutting up on that particular story because it is uncomfortable it's not a it's it's not a home run an automatic home run you know what i mean you have to think about that one and nobody wants to think about that they could easily make that into this is just salacious and crazy and blah and they're not what does that say yeah well i I mean, they've refused to denounce any of it, really.

They made a really, you know, half-baked attempt at the very beginning to say that, like, this, that meeting between the Ukrainian executive, you know, they couldn't find it on the schedule, which was not a denial. And then even later walked back that even pitiful, you know, non-denial. They haven't refuted any of it. And again, that goes to show you how stupid this is of people trying to say that it's not real or that it's part of some disinformation thing. Nobody has denied it. Biden, this would be very easy for Biden to deny. You know, it's crazy. It just sets the stage for Biden to be removed from office if he wins.

And Kamala Harris being the next president of the United States, wouldn't that be fabulous for all involved?