The Glenn Beck Program - Business As Usual? | Guests: Eric Bolling, Helen Andrews & Andrew Heaton | 12/19/18

Episode Date: December 19, 2018

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I want to see it with his signature on it. But does it matter if it does exist? Here's this exchange. Listen. If there is a letter. And he did sign it. Does it matter? Yeah, that would matter.

Because if there's a letter of intent to build a condominium in Moscow, that's a business dealing. So that would matter. Okay. So even if he, see, this is. This is interesting because I buy into the letter, and I don't think that anybody's, I don't think it's going to come from. I've seen it in several places. October 28th, 2015 was the date of the third Republican presidential debate.

And I think this is an interesting one, Bill, because it's one of those things. Everyone can throw out these accusations. This one should be provable. But if they have the letter, they should be able to show it, right? If they had the letter, it should be in the Mueller report when it comes out. Okay. It would have been leaked a long time ago. Again, what we hear is speculation everywhere.

Well, now we have evidence, and we have Bill O'Reilly saying, yes, it does matter. I'm interested to hearing what he says tomorrow about this, but it does matter. And we're going to share what matters, what just came out yesterday, and why it matters in one minute. This is the Glenn Beck program. Okay, I remember when LifeLock first came out and the head of LifeLock was like, I'm going to put my Social Security number on a bus. And I remember thinking that was stupid. And I also remember thinking, who cares, man, social security number?

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by the Trump Acquisition LLC or more of its affiliates and the IC expert investment company or its affiliates, blah, blah, blah. This shows exactly what they are going to be building, what they are going to license out, who gets the money. It is a 250 first class luxury residential condominiums, one first class luxury residential condominiums, one first class luxury luxury hotel consisting of approximately 15 floors containing no fewer than 150 hotel rooms. One first class luxury spa fitness center, a commercial component consistent with the overall luxury level of the property, an office component, a parking component. They will also help design, construct, equip, furnish, yada, yada, yada. It's, I mean, the expense deposit, the deposits the principal, the non-disturbance, the

confidentiality, the currency, the governing law, the operation, the term, the management fees, the development standards, the maintenance and repair of the hotel, centralized service agreement, hotel technical service agreement, debt covenants, reimbursement of fees, I mean, all of it, food and beverage, signed by Donald J. Trump. now this was executed October 28th 2015 and it ran all the way through the election in fact mr trump we now know was was brought up to speed on at least three occasions by Cohen about the progress of this project in Moscow. We also know that the guy who he denied even knowing is a signator of this contract.

He was the Moscow guy. And Trump said, when asked by the press, do you know this guy? He said, I don't, I don't know him. I'd have to think about that. I don't even think I've ever heard that name. He was a guy who was working on this project. and he had direct contact with Vladimir Putin's office about this project during the election. So does this matter?

See, what happened during Monica Lewinsky is we would ask people, does it matter? Or did he do it? And then they'd say no. And we'd argue about that. I've stopped arguing about did he do it? I don't care. Show me the evidence. When you show me the evidence, then I'll know if he did it or not.

But until you show me. Evidence, I don't really care. I don't care because I don't believe anybody on any side. Show me the proof. So I've been waiting for the proof. However, if it exists, does it matter? This is what happened during the Clinton problem. Everybody argued that it never happened.

And then when it did have, we did have the blue dress, then it was, well, it doesn't matter. Well, wait a minute. Then why have we been arguing? Why didn't you say it didn't matter? right up front. So the president, we now know, lied repeatedly to the American people about having a business deal and a significant business deal in Moscow that Putin's office was, I can't say directly involved with, but had involvement in. he was courting Moscow and he was trying to get this done. Now, you're reading of this.

He didn't do anything. This is nothing illegal, nothing illegal about this. Nothing illegal about this. This is not the type of thing you get thrown out of office for, I don't think, unless he lied to, you know, the FBI or something about it. I mean, unless he committed a crime in the cover up or something. He definitely did say to the media a bunch of times that he had no business dealings in Russia. I think he said that to the American people.

Oh, I would agree. I would agree. I mean, but I mean, the media is probably more directly who he said it to at that time. That's how we heard about it. But yes. But he was asked. He was asked. This is not a question of criminality or or impeachment per se.

Like this is, they're going to, they're going to work that in. I mean, the media is going to talk about that all day. Yeah, I don't really. I don't, I don't really care. I'm not looking at anything other than you have the president in the United States while he was running, asked by the media, but also asked in. debates, do you have any dealings? And he repeatedly said, I don't, nor does anyone I know have any dealings.

I've only been to Moscow once. Now, in the release documents, he was wanting to go to Moscow and it was Manafort that said, no, you're not going to Moscow. It was during, because this deal, they wanted to see him. to deal with him face to face. And so he said, all right, well, I don't know. Should we put it together? Cohen was pushing for him to go.

And it was Manafort that finally stepped in and said, you can't go. You can't go and negotiate this deal right now. Okay. So there- This shows you who Michael Cohen is. It's like even Paul Manafort had more discretion. Yeah. I mean, it's when you're losing to Paul Manafort on a good decision-making contest,

that's not where you want to be. So, look, I understand the president not wanting to, for instance, I don't agree with it, but there wasn't anything illegal about it. And presidents have done this before. They've had sex. They've covered it up, yada, yada. This is different. This is different.

The secretary. one of the secretaries in the office of Vladimir Putin was involved in this deal. There are now memos back and forth. When Trump denied that this was happening, the press called Putin's office. And that secretary, that person who was involved, secretary of something or other, he denied that there was anything going on. Okay. we now know that we have the right we have the emails and he has now come out and said okay

yes there was this exchange as soon as the white house said yes there was this exchange the the the kremlin said yes there was exchange i'm sorry but this is not secret deals for the united states of america this is a secret deal benefiting one person and that person to be the president. I don't want any secret deals going on between my president and Vladimir Putin's office. I don't want any of them. I want to know if you're going to do it, fine. Let's have that conversation. And I know that would be tough in the press. But at least we would know transparency. Donald Trump did not turn over any of his business records. Well, we can see now why this would have been found. Okay. Can you turn them over now? Because are you hiding anything?

else. We have to know that the president doesn't have any other idea that he is a slave to other than the Constitution of the United States of America. And I don't think that Donald Trump hates America. I don't think that he wants to destroy it. I don't think he's in league with Vladimir Putin. He is driven by his business. And, And I don't want a secondary business thing on the table with the president of the United States. Or at least I want full disclosure. And if we back up a little bit, this is, it's not as shocking as, you know, the media is going to make it out to be today. If you go back to 2015 when when this letter was going on, Donald Trump is a business guy wanting to do a really great deal in Russia.

it is completely illegal for him to do a big deal in Russia, completely normal in his normal business day, right? Like this would be a very typical dealing for him to be engaged in. At the time, he is an incredible underdog. And most people, surely most people in his organization, you know, I don't know about him exactly. I mean, you know, he's very confident publicly. The reporting says he even kind of thought he wasn't going to win. But at this point, surely no one in his organization. organization thought he was going to be. Remember, this is 2015.

This isn't even, the year of the election hadn't even begun yet. We haven't even gone to Iowa. We haven't gone to New Hampshire. I mean, he's still, he was doing well in the polls, but no one gives him a chance of winning at this point. No, but the fact that you pursue a deal like this would make sense. And beyond that, when asked about it, when you're getting asked about it in the media, his calculus likely is the media is just trying to trap me on this. yes I have this deal but it's probably not going to happen anyway.

If I say yes to it, they're just going to go in and they're going to investigate and they're going to chase me around and accuse me of all these things. Screw them. I'm not going to give them the nugget. Now, I don't think that's the right way to handle it, but you can understand in that moment how he thinks just brushing off those questions might be the appropriate thing to do. So we are down to where we were with Barack Obama, where half of the country didn't believe Barack Obama was. a guy who had America's best interest at heart. You know, he had, he was slave to another idea as well as being president in the United States. We didn't trust his motives.

Now half the country doesn't trust this president's motives. We said we wanted full transparency. We wanted to know, how did these guys get into office? Who are they? What do they actually believe? And we can deal with that. Now we're saying, well, no, we don't need. to do that because we trust Donald Trump.

I don't know why we should trust Donald Trump. And it's not that you're going to get Hillary Clinton now. You're going to get Mike Pence should he be removed. And I'm not even talking about that. I'm just saying we're crossing another line now. We're crossing a big line. There is evidence that he now lied to you repeatedly about something pretty important. does it matter to you now?

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okay, yes, there was a real estate project. There was a letter of intent to go forward, but nobody signed it. Well, obviously, he didn't know, but why wouldn't you say that earlier? Now you know that this letter is coming out. And his deal is, yeah, but Trump never signed it. His signature is prominently affixed to this. So it was signed. It's a real actual business deal.

Why this game back and forth? I have absolutely no idea. I mean, it does seem like, I don't know what Rudy Giuliani's purpose is at this point. I mean, he does not seem to actually be Donald Trump's lawyer. He's not effective. He doesn't seem to be his lawyer. He's saying he's not his lawyer now. He is.

There we go. Yeah, no. Now the White House is saying, well, he's not really our attorney, so he didn't know. Okay. So he's a spokesperson who doesn't know many of the facts and makes, you know, sort of blanket assertions that wind up hurting the president. I don't know what the point of that relationship is anymore. Maybe it's run its course. But, you know, again, if you know this is coming out at some point, I don't know why they're like,

they do the opposite of getting out ahead of these things. Like they just slow play everything. This seems to be the communication strategy of the White House and the Trump organization generally, which is just like wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, say, you know, you just keep, you know, it's deny, deny, deny, deny, deny, and then when it comes out, you say it doesn't really matter. Now, there is, since then, and I think Bill Clinton kind of set this off in the world of PR, is you try to get out in front of these things, right?

You kind of come out and say, you say the thing that you know is, you know, going to come out. Just say it now. Get it over with. Deal with whatever's going on. Make your best argument. And then it gets past you. Once Clinton started doing that, he started doing very well for himself. Once he started coming out and saying, look, this is, you know, this has happened. And his approval rating started going up afterwards, after he lied for a very long time. Again, I don't, the media is going to try to make this out into, well, let's start impeachment proceedings tomorrow. And there's no reason to believe that that's part of this, but still truth is truth. And it is important. I'm not even asking that. I just want to be consistent. If Hillary Clinton

would have won the election and we found out that she had a signed deal to explore a deal with Gazprom or whatever she was involved in, I mean, look it, we are so upset because her husband went over and took $500,000 to give a speech in where was it, Turkmenistan, which was helping the Soviets at the time. We're very upset. I was very upset with that. I think that hurts us. I think that shows that we cannot trust her on negotiations with Russia. We now know that the president had this deal. He lied about it, which you can say it was because of the press or whatever, and that's fine, but that put the president in an awkward position where the Kremlin knew the truth, and he knew the truth, and the Kremlin, you know, you don't think Putin will use things

when they went over and they spoke in private and then they came out and Donald Trump was shockingly saying all these wonderful things about Russia and Putin, did this deal have anything to do with that. Did the secrecy of this deal have anything to do with that? We just, the president needs to come clean on things. Period. He needs to release all of his business dealings. We have to know what the hell is going on. Now, somebody who's going to have a different take, I'm guessing, will be Eric Bowling. Eric is going to be joining us in about a half an hour. And Eric is a part of Blaze TV now. And he's. He talks to the president all the time, friends with the president, and he's going to have a different take on this.

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He's coming up in about half an hour from now. And I have good news. Eric Bowling has, what do you, can you not? Yeah, you should definitely. Is Pat Gray's in office? Pat Gray is here.

That's your good news. Hey, Pat. Hang on. I have, I have it on good authority. Do you have an update? Yes. You do.

Okay. So that's coming up in a minute. Pat Gray is here. Hello, Pat. Was there something he wasn't supposed to say? I don't because I can't even imagine. No, I have no business. I can't imagine Glenn was going off.

I have no business. dealings with Moscow. I just want to make sure everything's all brought up. Pat, welcome to the program. Thank you. It's really great to be here. Really great.

What do you have going on today? I am a little hacked off. Just a teeny bit. But it's Christmas time. I know. I know. And they're crying desperately to ruin my Christmas season. What are you talking about? No border wall funding.

Now, this is what they were going to fight for. And hey, give it to me. I'll take the blame on shutting down the government. I will take it. I don't care. It's that important. We're going to have a border wall. You will fund it.

And then we'll worry about Mexico paying for it later. But we're going to get funding for a border wall. No funding for a border wall. That's completely off the table now. What do we exactly happen there? That's what I'd like to know, because I thought the president was willing to take it upon himself. No. I thought Congress was going to fight for it because they told us that the whole time during the election.

No. And so they get zero for the border wall. But the good news is we're sending $10.6 billion. to Mexico and Central America. Well, that's what I would have done. I would have said, let's give them more aid. They've been helping this caravan. Let's give them more aid.

Let's give them more and encourage more of it. That would be great. Now, if this goes to what it's supposed to go to, and that's helping them develop their own countries so that less people will leave and come here illegally, I mean, I could almost say, okay, maybe that's a good move. That's not going to. It's not going to happen.

That never happens. There's too much corruption in their government. So hang on just a second. Hang on just a second. If Donald Trump would have stood fast and said, I'm shutting the government down. I told you I would. Blame it on me. The people want action.

Yep. They even McConnell even went and said, give us a billion dollars and we'll give you 1.6 billion for something you want. And they said no to that. They said no. So they tried to compromise. they said no where is Donald Trump taking the blame

and standing up and saying then shut the government down that's what I'd like to know and where are the jiblets in any of these Republican representatives to stand up to the Democrats and say no we're tired of this no no we are shut the government

down if anyone could have handled a government shutdown it would have been Donald Trump that's what I thought it does not seem like that's in the cards however no he said no they're they've already taking it off the table. It's not happening. Well, but they take it off the table and put it on the table every nine minutes. I mean, but it does not seem like it's trending that way. I mean, a lot of people would just believe that, you know, again, these are negotiation tactics and, you know, you can't take these words. How do you negotiate when you say, okay, I'll take that off the table? Well, because the first part was a negotiation, the second part was him giving up. Okay. Right. Like the negotiation was, I'm going to, I'm going to shut the government down. I'll take responsibility. And when that didn't work, he's now saying, all right. So is that the art of the deal? You just throw it out there and then you just take it off the table and cave.

That's not him. No. That's not him. That's been on him on several things, though. I mean, we've seen this over and over and over again. This is the one thing. This is the one thing that everyone said, if he would have shut down the government for three

weeks and lost, I think his people could say, you know, he tried and he was getting bloodied. Right. This, he can't say in one week, fine. the people want this, I will take the blame and then not do it and say, well, the Democrats wouldn't let us do it. You did not fight for it at the beginning when you had the Congress and you were able to do it because you had both houses of Congress.

You were able to do it. I'm not saying that the Republicans would have, but that was your main campaign promise. And you didn't do it. You waited. Now you have a chance. it's the Republicans don't want it. I'm sorry to say, but the Republicans are lying to you all those members of Congress that say they want it. It also just doesn't poll well.

So they don't see it even as an advantage overall. It's just so, you know, how are you going to answer this? I'm just talking about his campaign in 2020. How are you going to answer that? You ran on a border wall. You even said, I will shut down the government. but you weren't willing to shut down the government. Dude, you're willing to do anything.

You're willing to go talk to Kim Jong-un. I mean, what aren't you willing to do? You, out of everybody, could have won that battle. It's frustrating. Well, and look, he can't, because of our system of government, he can't do it by himself, you know, and you're right. The Republican Congress is not interested, and the Democratic Congress is certainly not interested. He could not sign the bill. He could not sign the budget bill.

the budget bill. He could come, that's clear. He could do that all by himself. Sorry, you're going to need two thirds to pass this. I said no. They might override the video. Right, but then he's completely clean. He's done everything. Then he's done everything within his office. Correct. That he made. Correct. Instead, they're given $5.8 billion to Central America and $4.8 billion to Mexico for southern Mexico. And I love what the Mexican Foreign Relations Secretary said. In some, I think this is good news. Very good news for Mexico. You think?

I mean, think about it. We've gone from... Five billion and free money is a pretty good deal. We've gone from... We're going to build a wall and you're going to pay for it to, hey, no wall. And here's five... Here's five billion more.

Wow. It's... Agonizing. Hang on. There is a chance that in this bill, he has tucked this money away. in the defense budget. Now, I don't like that at all. I don't like slippery stuff.

I want people to vote on what they're getting. But he was saying that if we have to do it through the Pentagon, we'll do it through the Pentagon. He did say that, yeah. He said that. But he also said he'd shut down the government. So is he going to do it? I don't know. I don't know.

But he's got to do it soon. Yeah. Because the election is coming. They just did, Gallup just did a survey of what? the biggest problems for Americans are right now. What is the biggest problem we face? You know what the number one answer was? Global warming. Government. Oh. Is our biggest problem? And they prove it every day. It is. I'm sure you just misread it because they both start with G. Global warming. No, it just said government.

Yeah. Number two, immigration. Global warming was not mentioned. It never is. It's a sad girlfriend who's just sitting in the corner of the dance. And I would say that that is, I would say that is, that is, that is, true in Russia, in China, in Europe, in South America, Central America, North America. Certainly true in France. That is true. When push comes to shove, they don't want anything to do with it. Yeah, that it is our number one problem is the government.

The government is in our way. Yeah. And the number two problem is immigration. You could say that in. Yes, big time. In North America and Europe, that's the biggest, you know, the second biggest problem. It would be the first, but it's the government that is causing all of the problems with immigration. Exactly.

I've been reading how to win friends and influence people. And the number one thing it says is stop talking about yourself. Start talking about the people, what people want. If you're negotiating with people, start, find out what they want and help them get that done. This has been interesting to see you rediscover this book. Because when you say I'm reading out of when friends and influence people, it's such a cliche at this point. Yeah. It doesn't seem like it would have any credibility.

but looking at it with new eyes. My father made me read it when I was a kid. He's like, it'll change your life. And so I read it like, God, you're going to be happy and listen to people and all that. So I didn't get anything out of it.

But I went back to read it again. And it is, it has all of the answers. And if you look at that, what is government doing? Government is talking about them. What's good for them? What's good for the banks?

What's good for their central bank? what's good for the military or whatever it is, what's good for their programs. They're not talking about what's good for you. Nobody cares. If my life is coming apart at the seams, I don't care. I don't care about anything. I don't care anything about even the president unless he is caring about me, unless this is why he won. Yeah.

Because he started speaking the language of the people. said, look, government is a problem, and I know that it's corrupt. And the second thing is immigration. He was reflecting that. Now you can't just talk or it will make things much worse. Because now you've been betrayed, and I'm not saying he's betrayed anybody, but if these things don't happen, then people feel betrayed like, you will wait, like we do with the Republican Party.

is there anybody who thinks a Republican Party even the chair people of the Republican Party are doing a good thing? No. Otherwise they would be saying something better than well, it could be worse. Could be those guys. That's all they have. That's all they have.

It could be worse. It could be those guys. Well, I don't want those guys either. So I'm not looking for that. I'm looking for somebody who says, look, I know what you're concerned about and I can help. And I think, too, like, you know, we've talked about a lot of the good things. I know Pat on Pat Gray-unleashed has covered all the really good things that have happened in this

administration that he's done, that Trump has been responsible for. I mean, we have a whole... Talked about it a lot. A lot. We have a whole documentary in production right now about the basically miracle of the capital of Israel moving to Jerusalem with the embassy. You know, so there's been a lot of really good things. the idea that the first defense seems to be just say whatever benefits you at that time, you know, which is, you know, he's just lying about this.

He should have just told the truth at the time and it would have been over. We wouldn't even remember this issue. Instead, they just, they push it down the road and push down the road and push down the road and push down the road. Then the evidence comes out. And it just, it doesn't help. Because you've seen. Make all of this so much easier if they were just honest about it. Because you have seen the power of the press.

The power of the press with Donald Trump. There is no power of the. the press with Donald Trump. It doesn't matter. He wins. He wins. So you might as well just be honest and say, yep, that's exactly what happened. And nobody cares.

And nobody will. But you can't claim to say that I didn't know. I mean, the times that he's looked us in the face and said, I had nothing to do with that. I had no idea. And then you find the paper trail that, yes, he did. He was directing it. That's a problem.

You got to stop. doing that because we have to have someone we can trust because we don't trust the press we don't trust the Republicans mr. president please stop this we have to have someone we can trust anybody see the the fall of oil yesterday this is really disturbing it's good for us at the gas pumps but it's really disturbing I told you before in 2006 and 7, I said, look for a sustained, I think it was 140 or 150 per barrel of oil. If it cost 140, 150 and it's sustained, you'll see economic collapse. I think it was 130 a barrel, and it wasn't sustained for very long.

And we had a collapse. This time, look for the low price of oil because it means a couple of things this time. Russia and Saudi Arabia cannot pay their bills. When Saudi Arabia cannot pay their bills, they're going to try to collapse the petro dollar. Russia is trying to do that as well. That means we lose reserve status. They can't sell oil on the U.S. dollar for very much longer. And when oil starts to crater like it did yesterday, a sustained cratering makes the world a very dangerous place.

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how media kind of shapes our view of things. things. And I get so frustrated at as a conservative, you know, you complain about media bias in the time that it's going on. And it's not until decades later do you get the actual admission of what actually happened in these old, timey situations. Like at the time, they never admit they're being biased. And, you know, the lie of the year is after Obamacare's passed, right? Listen to this paragraph. Take the 1992 election. At the time, everyone thought the economy was in shambles. The recession had technically ended in 1991. And there was some evidence the economy was expanding again. But the media painted a picture of economic woe, political scientist Martin Heatherton. I remember being on the air saying that. The recession's over. And it was technically even. I know. They found a strong disconnect between the media's negative reporting on the economy and how

the economy was actually behaving. In fact, with a benefit of hindsight, we now know that the economy was growing by more than 3% annually by late 1992. Roughly the same pace it was growing in 1996 when voters rewarded Bill Clinton with a second presidential term. Heatherington's research suggests that the relentlessly bad coverage of the economy affected voters' perceptions at the ballot box. George H.W. Bush substantially underperformed his second presidential bid and became the first Republican since Herbert Hoover to be denied a second term. Well, yeah, they made it sound like everyone was going to die tomorrow and it was George Bush's fault.

20 years, 30 years later almost, we all can look at this and say, well, what they were saying at the time was completely ridiculous. We weren't in a recession. We were growing at a healthy pace. And, you know, George H.W. Bush should have been reelected in that campaign. You know what? It was Facebook. It was Russia getting involved with Facebook. Oh, that's right.

Yeah. Vladimir Putin at that time. Well, it was amazing. You didn't need Facebook. You didn't need Vladimir Putin. You had the mainstream media doing it for you. I mean, people like, oh, it's getting worse. No, it's not.

It's just different. It's just different. That's the only thing. Eric Bowling joins us next. Talk about Donald Trump, what he's experiencing, this revelation of a new deal, and much more. The fusion of entertainment and enlightenment. This is the Glembach program. There is a couple of remarkable stories today.

One of them is about politics and Donald Trump and this new letter of intent to, negotiate for a hotel Trump, Moscow. It has finally been released. It was released last night. Eric Bowling is going to have a different view on this, I'm guessing, than mine. And I am really anxious to see what is happening in the White House, what this means to the White House, and Eric Bowling. And also, there's a couple of other stories that kind of revolve around Eric's life that I'm hoping we can get into on today's program, Eric Bowling in one minute. This is the Glenn Beck program. All right.

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800-577-8-8709 or genu-U-Sel.com. Eric Bowling, for a period of time, played professional sports until he was injured. Then he went in, became a stock trader in Wall Street, then went to television, and we know the rest from there. Eric Bowling on the Blaze TV. Welcome to the program. How are you, Eric? I'm doing great, Glenn. Thank you for having me.

I'm honored to spend some time with you on this very interesting day. It's a very interesting day, isn't it? So here's a great thing. A lot of demand for bowling to explain some stuff coming out of the White House. Right. So here's the great thing about Blaze TV is we are a collection of people that we don't interfere with each other's show or opinion, and we like each other and get along. And we can disagree. And I think we're going to disagree on this, but it doesn't matter.

I really want to hear your opinion on the memo that came out from the Trump administration. Well, as Donald Trump himself said, and I agree with wholeheartedly, that he had a business. He had a real estate business that was doing, making hotel deals around the world. When he ran for president, no one gave him a chance, including the New York Times on the night of the election had Hillary Clinton with a 98% chance of winning as the return started to come in. I'll never forget seeing that meter, the New York Times meter of likelihood of your next president going literally pinned it to Hillary slowly and slowly and we got around 10 o'clock at night. It just flipped the way over to the Trump side.

Why would he stop doing any sort of business if he didn't, if he wasn't sure he was going to be present? That's insane. We would have no one running for elected office if that were the case. We'd have no one with business experience and backgrounds running. If they had to drop their prior businesses in the likelihood or unlikelyhood of them being president, no less. And then all of a sudden, try and pick up the pieces where they left off. That would be crazy.

Okay. So I agree with you 100%. However, he denied the business dealings with Moscow, long after the election. Rudy Giuliani denied it. Rudy Giuliani denied it. I don't know that Donald Trump ever denied. I think he said, of course, I'm an ongoing business concern, multi-billion dollar international real estate business.

Can't stop. I love you, Eric. I love you. But I can't let you get away with that. He denied it relentlessly. He said he had no business dealings with Russia multiple times. And he said, I don't know anybody who does have any business dealings. No, I don't recall.

I swear to you on my life. I don't want to call him saying specifically. I have no business dealings with Russia because we know there are other properties. In fact, he sold a property that he owned in Florida for one. I think it was at the biggest real estate deal in the history of Florida. That one he admitted to. That one he admitted to. He said the only business dealing.

Our business deal. Right. He said the only business deal I have with Russia is I sold a property a few years ago in Florida. So he admitted that one. and he was straight up about it. My question is, is why do this? The press has no credibility. People trust Donald Trump who voted for him.

And, you know, he did it. And you can say the same thing, you know, about, you know, with Bill Clinton, this was a personal thing. It was about sex, et cetera. But he stood on the plane and he looked at the reporters and he said, I had nothing to do with it. I had nothing. I didn't even know about it. Okay, well, we find out that he did know of it. about it. Okay, we can dismiss it because that one's a personal thing with his wife.

All right. Now this one comes out. Why wouldn't he just stop all this? Why wouldn't he just come out and just say, yeah, and here's the contract? Well, I just because I'm not sure that they had consummated the deal at that point. I think there was an ongoing concern. I saw a signature on the note on the memo as well. I honestly, Glenn, I'm being 100% honestly.

I don't remember him saying I have no business whatsoever with Russia. with the exception of that real estate dealing in Florida. Okay, so, okay, so I don't want to get in. But if I take your word for it, I could only say that, you know, he'd have to circle back and say I'd explain the signature because you do know. However, I don't think it's a problem. There's no amoluments clause of violations whatsoever. Let's go back to the reality.

Okay, so if, in fact, he said I have no business dealings with Russia and he had a letter of intent, not a deal. You know, you and I, Glenn, we go way back. We know letters of intent don't necessarily mean a deal is done. It means we intend to do a deal. It's not a legal binding matter by any means. That may be where he gets around it. He may say, look, it's a letter of intent.

We sign letter intents around the world all the time for everything. I've signed. How many letters of intent have you signed and or received that end of not being a deal of tons? So maybe that's the little court to it. But let's take it. Let's bring it through the machine. and find out what it really is. It's really a businessman continuing to do business, you know, in the way he was until he

was elected president and then things changed. He gave the business and the dealings off to Eric and Don Jr. And to a certain extent, Ivanka as well, less so Ivanka, but Eric and Don Jr. Okay. Because it seems to me really the underlying issue is not an issue. He's running a business that talks about international real estate and he's in the middle of an international real estate deal. There's nothing there.

guys again and it's just it's kind of dawning on me because i've got how many what 40 years in business under my belt and it's just dawning on me as we speak right now that a letter of intent is not a binding contract no i know no no it's true no no i know that i know that he was dealing with them he was attempting to get business he kept saying you know i never had any business with russia you know the closest i ever came to russia i bought a house a number of years ago in palm beach florida you know the new york times has him on 23 occasions and i don't know that all of these a lot of them are i have nothing to do with russia which isn't necessarily Sarily talking about business dealings, but he did say I had no business dealings with Russia.

I had no business with Russia. You know, he, again, I think, you know, in his defense, right, he's in the middle of getting attacked constantly by the media. And probably he knows if he says he did have a deal brewing with Russia, everyone would accuse him of a million different things and he didn't want to deal with it. And I can understand why he tried to push it off. I just feel like he, it's, you know, it's the whole Nixon thing. It's really not the crime.

It's the cover up. And I don't think the crime in this case is a crime. Ryan at all. It's his normal business dealings. I just wish he would be a little more up front. That's all I would ask. Well, and again, and I'm sorry I started the interview off not really understanding it, but as I talk to you and talk it out, a letter of intent literally is like a handshake. It's nothing more like, hey, you know, let's circle back, see if we can come to terms. So technically he had no business deal done. And dealings, the letter of intent dealings. I mean, we're going to parse, you know, the meaning of is is of here again, but I don't know,

maybe we want to. But again, there was no deal done. There's no deal consummated. And, you know, the difference is like when you do a deal, you sign a contract and you do a press release. That's true. I mean, it's, again, it is six, what is it? Letter of intent.

I'm laughing because it's literally, there's literally thousands of letters of intent, you know, drawn up and, you know, they're worth the paper that they're written on. And that's about it. Yeah, no, that's true. I mean, it's a detailed letter of intent, right? I mean, it's 16 pages of all the different, you know, going down to like how they're going to figure out concession splits. I mean, it's pretty, it's relatively detailed. But I think to your point, Eric, it's, it's true that the media is going to kind of obsess over this and they're going to say this is proof of, you know, collusion about the election when, I mean, it really has nothing to do with that at all.

They're just going to try to conflate these things. This is the problem. This is the problem that they are conflating absolutely. everything into this collusion with Russia and the election. And I just don't see it. I don't believe it. They would have to show me the, you know, the evidence of it. And I have not seen any evidence that there was collusion for the election.

It just, it, it, it's so frustrating because the president. You know, you know, the media. You know these liberal hack media that, that, if they can make something up, they can take a, you know, I know. I know. And there's no, there's no seeds. And if there were and if Mueller is sitting on something, it would leak by now. It would leak.

We would know that there would be something that they've got him tattooed to the wall. And there's no secrets in D.C. So, Eric, I am, I'm just to the point to where I don't really care to speculate. I don't want to, I don't want to speculate on what they have, what they don't have, because I'm tired of it. I watch CNN. It's not a news show. It's, it's like a psychic hour.

that they're saying, well, I'm looking in the crystal ball and I think this is what they've gotten. I don't care. I don't care. I just want to talk about the things that we do know they have. So if they've got something else, they'll come out with it. Until that time, I don't even want to talk about it because it makes no difference to anybody's life. And it just confuses things and pits us against each other. On what?

On speculation coming from people I don't trust? I'm not interested. Well, but it rates, Glenn. And that's what the left does. and you're watching MSNBC's ratings in prime time creep up. In fact, even past Fox's ratings in prime time. It's what's what the left and the anti-Trump crowd wants to hear. We're getting close to nailing the president.

It's almost an anticipatory viewer waiting to see what they got. And they keep getting disappointed. Yeah, I know. They've been saying that every time something new breaks, they're like, we got them this time. No, you don't. No, you don't. No, it's not going anywhere.

So anyway. The most common phrase on CNN is the walls are closing in. They just keep saying it over and over again. I know. He must be living in a matchbox by now. All right. Eric Bowling from Eric bowling.com and Blaze TV. He does a nightly show from Washington.

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So Eric Bowling, I want to switch topics to you. And there's a couple of things. First of all, what do you have coming up and what are you going to be looking at and doing on the Blaze TV in the next year? I think we're going to continue to do what we did. By the way, Glenn, we just did a big press release this morning that I signed with Blaze TV for three years.

and I'm looking forward to working with you and Mark and some of the other, some of the other conservative hosts that we were delivering probably the premier, actually the premier conservative content in media right now, the opinion content. So I'm looking forward to that and inviting as many other conservative, smart conservative voices to join me at Blaze TV. It's going to be a great venture and looking forward to it. So that announcement just went out.

I'm thrilled. I'm thrilled. We are going to do what we've been doing. Our show America is just, it's unbelievable. We're in congressman's offices. We are in the Senate Ritanda talking to senators. I spent the day yesterday at the White House with Kelly Ann Conway. I spent last week with the president in the Oval Office.

So I'm bringing high-level advisors and elected officials, opinion and ideas and, you know, just policy to the forefront. And then we talk about it. And we're doing it three days a week right now. I think we're going to increase that to maybe four days a week. and we delivered it live at 5 p.m. every night. So it's going to be a great year and we're going to continue to do what we did. I'm looking forward to working with you, Glenn and the Blaze.

Maybe we can talk regularly. That'd be a lot of fun. I'd love that. I'd love that. As far as the show, I was concerned. I'm also doing this opioid awareness push. Now, I've teamed up with Sinclair broadcast on the TV and broadcast side, and probably for the next four months, I think, through April of 19.

We're traveling around the country, different. cities, we'll be in Dallas, we'll be in San Antonio, we'll be in Columbus, Ohio, northwest, all over the country, and we're talking opioids. We had the first lady last time at Liberty University with Kelly and Connolly yesterday. So we're getting an opioid awareness message out to people. It's an important message. It's a deadly killer that we need to really, really attack as a country. You're doing that because of the tragic loss of your son that we have talked about,

and you spoke about it in a very raw and real way. And it was just, I think it touched a lot of people, Eric. This is coming up now on your second Christmas without your son. How are you doing? Not well. I'll be honest with you. One of the things you'll know about me, maybe your audience doesn't, but we'll learn quickly. is that there's no on-air persona versus, you know, off-air person.

It's what you see on TV is who I am. And so I'd be lying if I said I'm doing well or my wife and I are doing well. It's a rough time of year. We lost our son in September of 17. A couple weeks later, it was Thanksgiving. The empty chair was happening. And we were about to all fall apart as a family. And President Trump called.

And, you know, it meant a lot for me that he called on that. moment because he knew it was the first holiday. And he's subsequently called on many holidays since. It doesn't make it easier. It just makes it feel like he cares. And so the point is that because he showed so much empathy and compassion about this topic and my loss and my wife's loss, I'm really pushing to get the message out so other families don't have to deal with this.

Interestingly, last night, we finished the show that's Sinclair in D.C. here at WGLA and we came off the hour on opioids and you know the producers came out and said oh that was that was amazing that's great you know let's start working on San Antonio on January 10th we're going to be there and they're like this is going to be you know great and I just looked at my go do you know how hard this is for me to do an hour on the loss of my my only child my son and they realize at that moment that this is really really hard for me to do but I swear to Glenn the only thing I have to hold on to that there's any sort of positive that can come out of it is that we save one family from this utter hell and it really is a hell.

So that's what gets me up in the morning. If it weren't for that, I'm not sure. My mother committed suicide and I remember when I did the tour for the Christmas sweater, which is a fictional telling of that. And I felt so compelled to do it. I remember I got off the stage every, every night, and I was just, I said, I can't do it another day, just cannot do it another day. It's, uh, sometimes when you, when you hit these, uh, personal moments where it is a, a cause, yours being opioids, mine being suicide. It's, uh, it, it is, it takes every ounce of strength you have to get through it.

And I commend you for doing it. I'm telling you that feeling you felt. I can't do another day is what I felt last night. after the first one. And, you know, it's a great message and it's a great, you know, broadcast partnership with Sinclair. They're, they blanket the country on local stations and they're happy to announce 12 more. I just looked at them like, okay, 12 more.

You know, I mean, it's going to be rough. But listen, if you can get the suicide message out, help people who are contemplating and maybe make the phone call to the suicide prevention hotline or if I can get the message out to families, parents talk to your kids. No one's immune. Your kids are not too smart, too popular, too athletic, too white, too black, too gay, too straight, to rich, too poor. They'll all be touched.

Or to kids, one pill can kill, and maybe we save a life or two friends. Eric Bowling continue in just a minute. You're listening. So you're coming together. next Christmas and next week and we're all going to be sitting around the table and we all got to do something. May I suggest you play a new game called Say Anything? It's a game that's been out for a while. I've played it.

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Go to blazedtv.com slash Beck. Use Beck Christmas for 20 bucks off. Eric Bowling, who has just announced a new three-year deal with Blaze TV. We're thrilled to have you on. Eric, he does Eric Bowling's America on Blaze TV, three, soon to be four days a week, and is with all of the players in Washington, knows them. Can you give me any perspective? I want to touch on this real quick, and then I want to get to something else.

he dropped? Can we get him back? Wow, the deal's over already. He signs three years and then he's just gone. Wow. Okay, see if he can get him back. I want to ask him about the border wall and then, did we schedule him for it?

There he is. Okay. Hey, Eric, how are you? I'm good, Glenn. How are you? Good. I want to talk to you about one quick thing, politics.

Then I want to get something more important. The border wall. It looks like now we are, we've caved on shutting the government down. Does the president have another plan, like he's talked about building it through the Pentagon, or what's the plan on the border wall? Yeah, we can talk about it. I think he's going to build his wall one way or the other.

I agree that he can't cave on. I actually, I wish you would have not have caved on making Mexico pay for it. I think that that still has to be part of it some ways. But we just said we're going to give him $5 billion. I mean, we could have given the border construction people $5 billion, but we gave it to Mexico. Yeah, well, listen, I, this is one I think he has to hold. I think this is one he has to figure out before, you know, before a re-election campaign. But it's something, if he caves on this, it's going to be one of the day wants for him.

Okay. Eric, can I talk to you about something and you can feel free to say no and we can move on. But you said something to me when we did our podcast. And you were very open and honest. And I didn't follow up on it because I felt that I had put you through the ringer enough, personally. But I think in this holiday season, if you would address it, I think it would be enlightening. You told me that not only did your son die the day he died, but your faith did as well. We can talk about that.

You were a guy who went to church. if I'm not mistaken every day. Six days. Six days. Yeah, I went five days a week when I got to work. I go over to St. Patrick's, and on Sunday I went every Sunday. And it was for 10 years, I went six days a week. And now you say you don't have.

The last day I went to church was that day. It was Friday. And are you, what's your relationship with God? What's your, what's happening? it's uh it's complicated i'm i'm i'm trying to figure out i'm still trying to figure it out um i believe there's probably many people do that you know you're a good person you go to church you you sacrifice you do the right thing you'd be charitable be honest take care of people you know i can't tell them at times to pull over and hand someone on an umbrella i mean i was

I just, you know, and in the hopes of, you know, having some, I guess maybe it's a, it's not a right, it's not the correct way of thinking, but in hopes of having some sort of protection against something as catastrophic as is what happened to me. I, you know, I lost my son and my career was kind of ended in and my faith on the same day. Yeah. Still, still working it out. So do you, do you still believe in God? Is it a kind of I'm angry or I don't know who you are or I reject you? What, what, where are you? No, it's, it's, it's, it's, um, anger.

If, if, if I believe it's anger and if, if I don't believe anymore, it's, what have I die and I wasted all this time and I don't know. I'm, I'm, I'll be honest with you. I don't mind being honest with, with you in public. I don't know, I don't know. I don't know. Are you pursuing this or are you just letting it settle until things calm down? No, I mean, the really strange thing about this loss is, you know, you think about things like what happens if I lost this person and that.

And when a loss of this magnitude, I don't think there is a bigger loss in the world than losing a child and an only child. You get thrown into a depth that's literally inexplicable. So the worst thing you could ever possibly, the lowest, the most worst feeling you could ever think you could feel, multiply it by, you know, a million. It's such a devastating hole what you're doing. It's literally a daily struggle just to make it out of it, just to see that there is a life. And so to start tackling the big issues like, where's my faith? I need to, my wife and I both need to heal. Like I do this, the opioid tour, and she.

can't go because she it just breaks her apart just you know you're seeing a picture and so it breaks me apart too like last night the producers didn't tell me that there's a picture of eric chase and i in in the middle of the show and it just popped up and it almost derailed me for the whole show so it's still that i did an event here in dc for for opioids and i was a keynote speaker i got there and they were rolling pictures and i didn't know they were rolling pictures of of eric and i and i couldn't even speak i couldn't do the event i was in tiered and i was in tiered and i was in tiered And so anyway, Eric, it's a daily struggle. May we all pray for you and your wife?

Thank you, Glenn. Try to enjoy the holiday. And I just, I don't get it. There's no enjoyment. I mean, it's called Make It True. That's what it literally is now. So, may you make it through. Appreciate the prayers.

God bless you, Eric. Thank you, Len. Thank you so much. That's brave to talk about like that. I mean, that's really incredible. I can't even imagine what that guy has gone through with that. I don't think any of us know how we would react. No.

It's easy to say, well, Eric, that's when you need your faith. That's when you. Sure. But none of us know how we're going to react. And I think if we deny that people would struggle with a situation like that, is even to the level of the core of their faith, then we're letting people down. Because when this does happen to people, and it does,

this is a very honest process. Like, this is how you're going to feel. I mean, I haven't had to deal with something like that. And in my head, I know that if something like that happened, I, you'd have no choice, I think, to question everything that you've assumed about life. Hopefully you come back to, you know, or you're able to get to the right place. I really pray Eric does as well and I think he's going to have his own journey on that

and that's tough but I mean to be able to come out and talk about that in front of people and as difficult as you can tell it is for him that is really important that's a really brave act for him to do not only what he just did on the air but also with opioids and everything he's doing around the country really important stuff

really brave and incredibly difficult he's doing that at extreme personal sacrifice he's so honest if you missed the if you missed the interview that I did with him for a podcast. I think you'll probably find it on YouTube now. Yeah, it's certainly available. Yeah.

And watch it because this is the first time he really opened up on a national platform about the death of his son. And it was incredibly brave and incredibly raw. And he is obviously a man who is going through. a gigantic change in his life and cannot see the blessings yet. But most of us can't when we're in that space. You know, it was brave of him to say, you know, I kind of looked at my faith differently. I kind of looked at my service differently.

And nowhere really is that promised that, I mean, look at Jesus. it seems like all of the good guys always get killed one way or another. You look at all of the martyrs that just stood. And we're saying, no, no, no, no, I think you should read the Bible in your own language. I don't think you should have to have it in Latin and go to a priest because you can't read Latin. Burned at the stake. All these really great people that lost their lives. all of the apostles.

And look at the stoning of Stephen. Like it's so funny. I just read a story last night of a guy who survived the Chicago fire. And it wiped his family out. And they were just getting back on their feet and decided to go to Europe for a vacation with the family. This is like 1903 or 5, something like that. and the dad has to stay, but he said, I'll meet you over there. So the mom and their four children, their four daughters, are on this boat, and it hits

another ocean liner in the middle of the ocean, and it sinks. She lives, and the children die, and she just, she just, why? to him when he when she arrives in France she wires back to her husband I survived alone I don't know what I'm going to do he gets onto a boat he goes over he gets her as they're crossing the ocean the captain says this is where it happened the captain marked in his journal that he noticed they never looked down to the sea they looked up and they came back to Chicago. They had two other children.

One died at three. One died at seven. Their pastor said, you're being punished. You've done something wrong. So they just surrender completely. They move to Israel. And they start just helping people. First, they go into World War I and they just start helping people. Anybody who's wounded doesn't matter what size. on, then they move to Israel and eventually they build the children's hospital that is still

serving people today and it doesn't matter if you're Arab or you're Jewish or you're Christian. The policy of the hospital is you have to have help and they're there. I don't know how people survive but is a very delicate dance. with God of being able to let it go. Without forgetting, it's so difficult, but letting it go and knowing that there is some reason and it's a good reason that these things happen to us.

And my prayer for Eric and anyone else that is struggling is that you will hear the words, it's okay. all as well. Everything is good. Everything is as it should be. Our puny little human brains cannot wrap around the idea of tragedy being good. But in the end,

if you can let it go and let it shape you in positive ways, look at what Eric is doing. going to save lives. That's a positive that has come out of this. Back in a minute. When I come back from vacation after the holidays, I'm going to spend some time with you talking about how the economy, what's next?

I haven't been clear like this for, I don't know how many years on being able to look at the news stories and go, wait, wait, wait, that's connected over here and this one's connected over here. the last few weeks especially have been game-changing for me, and I'm seeing the connections on things and what's coming. And we're going to go through some rough patches. And I urge you right now to consider diversifying anything that you might have. We are going to go through a very rough patch.

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The administration has already tweeted out, you know, unacceptable. But Venezuela and Russia appear to be working together, and that's never good. We also have a guest on Next Hour, Helen Andrews, who has a really different perspective on life and social media because she has walked a horrific walk. Yeah, her story is really fascinating. on C-SPAN and she got in basically what was an argument with an ex-boyfriend on C-SPAN. It was sort of, by my reading of it, sort of ambushed her on live television and went viral and changed her life. This is about, I mean, what, seven or eight years ago?

And how her journey of how she dealt with that and where that's turned out is really fascinating. She's going to join us next, a compelling, compelling story from Helen Andrews. Coming up. Hey, it's Glenn, and I want to tell you about something that you should either end your day with or start your morning with, and that is, the news and why it matters. If you like this show, you're going to love the news and why it matters. It's a bunch of us that all get together at the end of the day and just talk about the stories that matter to you and your life. The News and Why It Matters. Look for it now wherever you download your favorite podcast.

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which allegedly I preferred to increase, of wanting to appeal laws against fistfights for the same reasons of being sadistic and scheming, a heartbreaker in his own personal life, and generally living according to a disturbing and brutal set of values. For three minutes and 45 seconds, which unfortunately for me, were captured on film for broadcast to weeks later on C-SPAN, he made an impassioned case that I was a sociopath. It stuck. Helen Andrews is that woman that was on C-SPAN. Welcome to the program. Thanks so much for having me, Glenn. Wow, Helen, you've been through the ringer and back. Are you back yet?

Yeah, yeah. It's been eight years since that happened. But, you know, just the week, or the very day that I sat down to write this say, my husband came home and said, honey, you won't believe what happened. I was at a conference, and we were talking about bad breakups in the conservative movement, and one guy pulled out his phone and said, oh, my goodness, if you want to talk about bad conservative breakups, you have to see this C-SPAN thing. The poor guy had no idea that he was talking to my husband. Oh, gosh. You think after eight years, it would have faded away, but no, it still pops up.

That's the thing. The Internet is forever. Yeah, so I want to talk. to you a little bit about there's something in in europe that they're they're trying to push through and that is the right to be forgotten which is very very human i mean we do forget things and and things fade but with the internet it's permanently there always and you'll never can escape it so tell me what tell me what happened um that day and tell me your journey here in the last you know, eight years?

Sure. Well, as soon as the video went up on the internet, those three minutes and 45 seconds were instantly clipped and posted on YouTube, and they got half a million hits in the first 48 hours. Oh, my God. All the cable news networks did a segment about it. It even made the local network news here in D.C.

It was written up on Gawks, Washington Post, you know, I was mental on ex-girlfriend at C-SPAN panel. So all of my coworkers saw the video, all of my friends saw the video. It just became a huge story. How old were you when you sat down for that interview? And you were, because you were 22 when you dated this guy, right? Yeah, and I think I was 24 when the video went big.

So, you know, I, yeah, I was 24 years old and basically thought, well, that's my life over now. and you admit that you're pretty brutal to him. Oh, yeah. Well, and you know, that's where I eventually arrived. You know, I thought about, you know, Todd's talking for four minutes about what a bad person I am. Well, you know, honestly, he could have gone on for four hours about what a bad person I was to him and not said anything untrue, you know. So who am I to say that I didn't deserve being embarrassed? you know.

So after you had, you know, half a million hits in 48 hours, how did your life begin to change? I think I didn't realize at first just how permanent a part of my life this thing was going to be. I thought it would just be a week of bad news coverage and that would be embarrassing, but then I would move on. It started off with little things like I would be walking down the street on one occasion, with my parents. And people would stop and point and say, hey, C-SPAN girls. About a year after the incident, I decided I wanted to move on from my job at National Review.

And funniest thing, no matter how many resumes I sent out, I couldn't get a job interview, which made sense. I put myself in the shoes of a prospective employer. And I figured, yes, if I were trying to hire for a position and somebody's first Google result was some rant about how she said. maybe a psycho, you know, yeah, I might look at other countries too. But, you know, that's easy enough for them to say, but for me, it was a pretty serious blow to not be able to find a job. And eventually, as you mentioned, I moved to Australia, moved to the other side of the world.

And even there, because that's the thing about Google. It's completely global. It followed me to another hemisphere. And so when you were looking for a job there, you couldn't find a job for like 18 months, because people, first thing they would do is Google your name. That's right. And then once I did find a job at a think tank, it still followed me there. You know, I put out my first report on non-profit regulation, right?

Like the way charities are regulated in Australia, a pretty, you know, benign topic. But the minute the report was released, an Australian MP tweeted a link to the video and said, I don't trust this person's views on charity regulation. you know, not even some schmoe on the internet, but an elected official has decided to use that as ammo against, you know, any public statement I might want to make in the future. So I have to be an all-purpose rebuttal. I have to ask the obvious question here from the right, and that is, do you think it would have been the same if you were a liberal and not a conservative? No, I don't think so. you know, people always say, don't read the comments, and that is definitely my advice to anybody else that this ever happens to.

Don't ever read the comments, but I couldn't help myself. And the thing that I noticed over and over again is that these people would say, well, you know, gossip is bad, and we shouldn't make fun of people for bad things in their personal lives. It's none of our business. But in this case, this chick is obviously some kind of Christian right-wing nut job, so therefore that makes her a hypocrite. that's why it's okay for us to talk about it. That's something that a lot of people do psychologically when they join in on these internet

pile-ons. You know, they come up with a reason for why, no, it's actually okay in this case. You know, it's justified. When really it's just they're joining in because it's fun. Is there any difference, do you think, between, I mean, other than the final outcome, is there any difference between this and the mobs that used to dunk the witches or burn the witches? that a lot of people just joined, didn't, you know,

just didn't have anything else to do. Oh, yeah, and the way that you know it's completely irrational, you know, that it has no basis in actual justice or truth or logic, is that arguing back never, ever helps. You know, if anybody who finds themselves in the middle of one of these storms, your first instinct is always going to be, oh, well, I'll just explain my side of the story. and then everyone will understand.

But because nobody in one of these pylons is interested in the truth, anything you say is just going to be twisted out of context or made to make it sound worse, or it's going to be like, you know, crying when a bully attacks you in the schoolyard. You know, nobody's listening, so rational argument isn't going to help anything. Holy cow. How you survive this is beyond me, and that's, I guess, where I want to go next.

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American Financing Corporation, NMLS 1,8, 2334, www. nmLS Consumer Access.org. We break for 10 seconds, station identification. This is the Glenn Beck program, and we're talking to Helen Andrews, a conservative writer she wrote a piece in first things called Shame Storm. Helen, you brought up something I think is really interesting about how people won't react to rational thought in these moments.

And it strikes me that when these things start, when these sort of online shame trains begin, we in ourselves wind up excusing a lot of awful behavior in an attempt to pile on. you use a great example which was Kevin Williamson. We love Kevin. He's been on the show before. He went to the Atlantic. People don't remember the story. And they unearthed some comment that he had made about abortion.

And the controversy really wasn't about the comment. Afterwards, people started saying, I'm fearful to work with Kevin Williamson. You know, 25%, he might want to kill 25% of the women who work here. And you point out correctly, no one actually believed Kevin Williamson was a threat to anyone around them. They had justified in this moral sort of crusade the idea that they could say anything about this person and lie about their own feelings because this was so justified. Did you feel like you were kind of at the other end of that going through this process?

Sure. You know, I would read in comments or blog posts people saying things about me that were just not true, that we're just factually, easily checkably false. And I kind of wondered, how is it that these people who have never met me care so much about ruining my life? What did I ever do to make them so angry with me? And eventually I realized that they're not angry at me. They don't care all that much about me one way or the other. They've got their own reasons.

They're angry at women or they're angry at conservatives or they're just angry in general and, like, lashing out. Or they just enjoy the rush of feeling outrage. You know, you really, once you read enough of the comments or follow enough of these shame storms, you realize it's not about you. It's not about the person at the middle of it. It's just about, there's just a pattern to the dynamic of the way these things always go. It's like a wave or an avalanche. So, so how do you deal with it? Because I would imagine you've tried all of the, you know, argue, let it go, don't read it.

be nice. I mean, what works? You know, it's funny. It took me a long time to get to a place where I'm okay with it, but once I did, I realized I was actually grateful that this, I truly believe it was part of a bigger plan that this should happen to me. That, you know, I was a pretty rotten person when I was 24. I was selfish and careless and very proud.

And I don't know if anything short of this kind of. of knock upside the head, could have done it for me. You know, I was raised in a very secular household. You know, the only church we recognized was the church of NPR. But it was only in college, and after going into conservative journalism, that I met any Christians at all. And one of the things that one of them said to me after this whole C-SPAN thing happened was, you know, Helen, there is no humility without humiliation.

And gosh, was that true, you know? I was just a very proud person. My instinct was always to think, I don't deserve this bad thing that's happening to me. But that saying that just stuck in my head, there is no humility without humiliation, led me to some self-reflection and realizing that, you know, yeah, the only solution here is to try and become a better person.

So that was my lesson. So let me ask you, because I think that's a great lesson to learn, and one I have learned through the years. Sure have. Shut up. But it's important that we recognize, you know, recognize our place in the universe and time and space. However, it also seems that no matter how much you change, it's not going to, they're just, just going to say you're only doing that because of X, Y, and Z. So you never escape that. Does that make sense to you? Have you experienced that?

Absolutely. Absolutely. That there's no, you know, there's no way to indicate that you've changed or reformed, which, you know, the only thing that, you know, there's nothing you can do to change how other people think. You know, they're not. your problem, you only have control over you. But one thing that I've certainly taken away is that when I see other people who have been through these kinds of shame storms or I hear rumors about somebody, oh, he did some kind of bad thing in the past or she's guilty of this, if it's been a while, I always start from the default of assuming unless they indicate or prove to me otherwise that they have

changed and they have become a better person, give people the benefit of the doubt. Yeah, it seems like we're living in a society that just doesn't ever forgive. Yeah, well, you know, I've gotten a lot of feedback ever since this essay was published. You know, some people whose names I recognize and have seen on TV, reached out and said, something like this happened to me. Thank you for, you know, including a ray of hope at the end of your story. But the messages that got to me the most were from, you know, people in a small town

who nobody had ever heard of who aren't that famous, but whose lives have been wrecked or overturned by events like this. You know, they said, I was the worst person on the internet for 48 hours, and then everybody else moved on, but I'm still here living amidst the wreckage. There's a guy who could spend so much time talking to you, Helen.

One question before we go, we got about one minute. You wound up eventually reconnecting with your ex-boyfriend, where this old incident started, and you've talked to him since. What's your relationship like now? How does he see this? Yeah, no, it's quite positive, you know, because he suffered just as much as I did. You know, he eventually lost his job over this incident, and he's kind of, you know,

people made fun of him on the Internet. He finds it hard to get gigs now. And so we've both kind of learned a lesson. I asked him if he would do it over again if he had the choice, and he said, absolutely not, not a chance. So, yeah, no, and I forgive him and he forgives me, and that's really the moral of this story. Helen, thank you for having the guts, first of all, for not giving up, and then finding the positive message in it and changing your life. I think of redemption that's not going to go viral, but it should because it's important, and I think it's going to happen to all of us in one way or another.

Helen, thank you. Thank you so much, fun. You bet. Helen Andrews, you can read this story. It's fascinating to read, and she really goes into great detail of other people and the things that she tried along the way. You can see it. It's at first things. It's called Shamestorm.

just to Google search Alan Andrews and Shamestorm. Well, we'll tweet it out as well. Yeah. Maybe you shouldn't Google her because you're just playing into it. Bastard, what are you doing? Because she's a psychopath. She's a really bad person I've heard. At World of Stu, at Glenn Beck.

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He's coming up in just a couple of minutes. This is a Glenn Beck program, and we welcome Andrew Heaton, probably one of the, wouldn't you say, one of the most universally liked guys in the building? Yeah, but that's mostly because we're all really, really awful people other than you. So it's a very low bar. It's on a curve.

Yeah, yeah. If we just expanded buildings, I'd go back to being in the middle. But very funny, wicked, smart, and opinionated, but open to other people's opinions, which I love. What do you, what do you, what do you, what do you, what do you planning on doing for Christmas in the holidays? Well, when I'm, I'm going to see my family in Oklahoma. I'm going to spend some time at Snuffies, which is the main sponsor of the program. Snuffies is a diner.

If you're not familiar with this, it's a diner. We're all of the waitstaff. Waiters and waitresses ride horses. I'm surprised this hasn't taken off, you know, outside of Oklahoma. Oh, it's not actually in Oklahoma. It's off Route 44. Snuffis, stuff's diner. But it's a lot fun.

I'm going to go check. They've got a nativity display this year where everybody's on horses. And I pointed out, well, like, what about, you know, weren't there like camels and donkeys and things? And they were like, oh, no, we got guys in donkey costumes on horses. So everybody's on horses, including the animals. They thought of everything. Yeah, they were really on top of stuff. And I just talked to the owner of Snuffy's Tom Snuffhouser.

He is sponsoring, because he's a committed guy. He is sponsoring this year a emotional support horse that he is going to be bringing on plane flights with him throughout the United States. So he's going to be taking a, I think it's a Mustang. It's a 1.2 tonne Mustang. He's going to take that onto the plane with him. Really? But if you get a picture with him, you get a free meal. Wow.

If you tweet at them, yeah. Okay. So I'm going to go. Is that for a vet or something? No, he's just a big fan of horses and emotional support horses. So I'll probably do Christmas dinner there, I think, with my family. But I wanted to, I wanted to posit where I want you to go, because you're traveling. Are you not?

Yeah, I'm traveling. Are you driving? Yes, we are. Okay. I assume that you holiday in Oklahoma. I assume that that's where you go to unwind. It's not. Is it not?

It's not. But I may be going through Oklahoma. Okay, if you're going through Oklahoma, because we were talking about this off air, and this is great. There is a, it's now, unfortunately, it's a private zoo, but I think you could strong arm your way in. Okay. But it used to be open to the public. It's called Little River Zoo in Norman, Oklahoma. I'm not making this up.

It is a zoo for animals rejected by bigger, better zoos. If you want to pet a kangaroo, you can because ours is blind. It's a phenomenal place. And all the animals are like, a lot of. A lot of them are just terrible pets, like tigers and mountain lions and things that turned out to, like, not be a very good thing if you, if you own them. And so they're, they're all there. And I, uh, I went there. It sounds like a sad place. It, no, no, no, no, no. This is, this is, this is a wonderful, happy place. This is where, again, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not making any of this up.

What I'm saying right now, it is where all of the organ grinding monkeys in America retire to. Like, you know, the, like, do, do, do, do, do, do, like, those things. Those all go to Norman, Oklahoma to Little River Zoo. I didn't know those were still around. They are. There's, there was, you know, this was about 10 years ago. So, you know, I don't, you know, I don't know what the lifespan of a, of an average organ monkey is.

But they, let's assume that some of them are around. I went there. there a few times. I took my brother there when I was in college. I took a date there. We're not married. It didn't work out. What a surprise. I know. You are such a catch. And still single. Can you believe that still? Still single. I just, I thought taking a woman to look at a bunch of rejected animals and cages would just be a way into her heart.

Right. But it didn't work out. But I was there at a date and they took me to this big pen full of organ grinding monkeys. And this is, do not picture the alcatraz of monkeys. This is like chicken wire and stuff, right? Okay. And I went, what do you do when the monkeys get out? And they were like, they don't get out. And I was like, really, though. Like, surely some of them, and one of them went, okay, listen, about once a year. You see the big one, his name is Glythe.

Once a year, he gets out. And we just leave bottles of schnops around the zoo. And then he drinks and he passes out. We bring it back in. I was like, that is the greatest job ever. I was like, that I would, that would, honey, I'm sorry, I know we were going to go to dinner tonight, but I have to get that monkey drunk. Yeah, it's Goliath.

Yeah, I've got, I've got, he likes peppermit schnops. So anyway, I think you should go through there. I'm going to look into this because I hadn't thought about this. So it's not a sad place. It's not like going to like where all of the stray dogs and cats are kept. No, I don't, I don't think. I mean, wait, wait, wait, wait, you don't think? Well, I think it depends on how you view zoos, right?

Because I view zoos as having a very wide latitude. I've been to some terrible zoos. There are a couple that really are jails for kids, but I've been to other zoos that I thought were wonderful. I didn't get a sad vibe when I was there. And I'm going to look into this because I wonder if this might be my cause de jour for 2019 is trying to properly fund a little river. Zoo in Norman, Oklahoma, get that off the ground again.

It does seem like a close a while ago. Is that correct? I'm looking this up. I'm fascinated by this topic. The last I checked, it was still existent, but it had closed down for public. Because they still had all these animals that literally couldn't be moved because they were such, they were in so horrible condition that they couldn't send them out. So they had some kind of status there.

I don't know. That was 10 years ago. If not, I guess I'm going to quit my job, become a zookeeper. It's trying to restart this. It seems to me. I mean, this seems to be, first of all, a legitimate place. Yeah. And it is, it was 2011.

It closed to the public as a zoo. This last I checked. And then it seemed like it was going to open up as an animal sanctuary after this. So I don't know that it's actually. That's a better name for it than a zoo for it. A reject zoo? Yeah, I think animal sanctuary is probably better marketing. Yes, I agree.

Then the zoo that has all the animals that were rejected. If the sanctuary is still there, then that means there's something I can work with. And then my goal will either be to re-expanded into a zoo or just to release all the monkeys into Oklahoma, which I think would make it for a more fun state. I think that would be, if that would just make for a more interesting state. Okay. All right. Okay. Are you a cat person or a dog person? I am hardcore dog person. I am my last girlfriend, which I had one, thank you. She described me as a Labrador retriever hosting a game show. That was her opinion of me as a person.

When she was breaking up with you. No, that was during the honeymoon period. She thought that was a good thing. Yeah, I know. I love dogs. I absolutely love dogs. I just, I'm going to start volunteering here in Dallas. to walk dogs. Actually, something I really want to get involved with next year is if I, you know, I'm still getting into Dallas right now. So I don't have a lot of free time at night. But if I, if I settle down a little bit, I want to get a dog.

And there's a charity here where you can go to hospice with a dog, which I think it'd be really nice. Oh, that's a really good idea. Yeah. So I want to do that next year. You know, it's funny. They don't bring cats to a house. No, why would they bring a cat? Right.

You want to be judged on your deathbed by an animal that grabs in a box? Is that what you want? I don't want that. This is the thing that really bugs me about it. Because when I lived in New York, my roommates had cats. Notice that I said my roommates had cats. I did not. And I was nice to the cats.

But I would go, you know, like when I meet a dog, a dog loves you most of the time. Right? Dogs just love you. And they'd go, well, the thing is, you have to earn the cat's respect. And I'm like, I'm a man. And I've never done that to another human being. I was like, oh, hey, what's your name, Stu? Why should I care?

You would think I'm a terrible person. But for some reason, if it's furry and it has four legs, it's fine. And no, I'm not putting up with that. I don't, I, I despise cats. And I, and it, and it, it brushes off, uh, and rubs off onto cat people. If you even, you don't even have to have a cat, but if you like cat, I'm suspicious of you. Yeah. I, I will, the, the only thing I'll throw in is, um, I have, I will give out to cat people,

that cats have a very wide range of personalities. And there are, occasionally, you will find that cat that's super cool. It's just that you never know which one's going to be. Like, you know what dogs, like, you've got a pretty good idea what the breed's going to do. but with cats like every once in a while the red ones seem to be okay. I don't know why we're not. The red ones seem fine.

I don't know why. Is that the category? I think. I don't know. I don't understand this. You notice that people don't get together on Thanksgiving and watch the cat show. Yeah. You watch the Great American Dog Show.

Yeah. And you don't hear a lot of stories about a valiant cat going in and saving a toddler from a fire. Right. They move on. Yeah. And I see, I think this is part of my evolutionary theory because dogs have been around for a long time, right? Dogs from what we know, they've been around. We think maybe, I think it's like 20,000 years.

And they, and so we're all nomads, right? And these dogs show up and we're like, that's kind of a cool wolf. Can you think that? Right. Because they probably followed us around. And we think that they probably were useful, not so much for hunting, but because they would alert us to other humans coming in. And pre-civilizational man was incredibly violent.

So dogs were good. And it might be where we get property rights from. This is, I think, a Matt Ridley theory, maybe somebody else, is that, like, if you're living in a tribe with eight people, you're sure. all this stuff. Dogs don't work that way, though. Dogs are like, nope, you're my human. And so we're like, oh, I own this thing now. I own a dog. Property rights, rule of law. That's, we get those from dogs, not cats. Wow, that's pretty deep. That could be viewed as slavery. For the dog? The dog? The dog chose it. Yeah, the dog was like, I mean, it may be indentured

servitude. I don't think he can go any deeper than that. Because I brought my dog up to the ranch. Now, now, he was, he was married, and yes, it was a shotgun marriage, okay, to a much older dog. and, you know, he was three. She was like seven. And so we bought him and they had to get along. And so that was like kind of his, you know, ball and chain. And she really was a ball and chain. We realized after she died, he was miserable.

Because I've never, I have a new dog. I have a new dog entirely. So you, you, because I don't remember we thought about before. The dogs just hated each other. We're forced to live together. Yeah. And we. knew that they didn't get along because he would wait in the other room until she was finished

eating. Yeah. He would walk around the couch. If we were on one side of the couch and she was laying between us, he would go and walk all the way around the couch to the back so he didn't have to pass her. So we knew there wasn't a lot of love there. Okay. You know.

You have German Shepherds, right? Yes. Nothing against German Shepherds are really fun. But yours are like trained and stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I wonder if that's because like mine are. The Heat and Family, we specialize in just really stupid dogs. My brother's last dog, Cooper, we took him to the lake and he didn't know what it was, so we attacked it.

And I'd have to, like, rescue this dog from drowning himself because he would just try and fight the lake. He put his head down there and bite it and bark and stuff. I nearly drowned from being an idiot. I think my dog was rolling a snowman. Honest to God. Honest to God. I think I have video of it. I should look for it and post it.

We were up at the ranch, and it started to snow. And all the grandkids got out and they started making snowmen. A couple of hours later, we see him and he is literally rolling a snowball. Literally, he is like, with his paws, he's just making this little snowball and it's rolling and he's barking and he's howling and he's having a blast. I think he was making a dog snowman. That's amazing. Or a snow dog. You should, yeah, or try and train this dog to do your taxes for you.

I think this is a dog that's quite gifted. I think I'm going to skip on that idea, but I appreciate the input on the taxes. Let me play devil's advocate in the cat dog debate here for a moment. With cats, you have a generally disagreeable creature. Yeah. Which sometimes is a great. It's like a broken toaster with fur. Right.

Okay. But sometimes you pet it in the furs. That craps inside the house. Yeah. I know, we've had cats in the past and my relatives had, and they like their cats. Yeah. But, you know, generally speaking, they're not as friendly. Yeah.

Dogs, on the other hand, are they do have, they're very friends. most of the time. They're most of all like you. But they do have that very low percentage chance of just ripping you to shreds and murdering you, which does happen. So we're cats, there's very few cases in which they just gang up on you and topple a human

and end it for them. Yeah. It does. Do you trade a little bit of that happiness? I was severely wounded by a cat in my youth. You were severely... Yes, I was trying to do the cat a favor. What? I was trying to do a cat a favor. Okay. Go on. I had met my first wife and she had this this cat i had never been around cats it was an outdoor cat oh but it was

sometimes inside okay oh but the cat was a mess i grew up around dogs you give dogs a bath oh no i tried to give this cat that's love water okay did not know that tried to give this cat a bath and there was a point to where I thought I was going to give up, but that damn cat pissed me off so much. I'm like, you are having this bath and you are going to be clean. I almost was taken to the hospital. Almost taken to the hospital. So, no, there are records of people who have,

and talk to Siegfried and Roy. There are cats that will kill you. Yeah, that's, yeah. I cat. I will take that chance. I think dogs that... If they're not, I think they're fine. Okay.

There you go. All right. Andrew, thanks a lot. You can grab him on his podcast every day. It's something's off with Andrew Heaton. And it's true. Something's off with Andrew Heaton. You can subscribe now to wherever you listen to your podcast.

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I read right away said, Glenn, I was listening to your show while you were talking to Eric Bowling, who lost his son. I have also lost a son. My dad and went through a divorce all in the same period. I have felt some of those.

same same feelings that he was feeling, but ultimately it was my faith in God and God that got me through along with faith in others. Started a business that gives back to childhood cancer research and causes, but it was the hymn, it is well, that has always been an encouragement to my heart. And that is my soul's cry today. I wanted to reach out and thank you. And if I can ever be an encouragement, please don't hesitate to ask. the reason why I read this is because I could not remember the name of the guy that I talked about.

And remember after we hung up the phone, I said there was this guy who lived in Chicago, his business burnt down. Then his four children died at sea on the way over from Christmas. Then another son died of scarlet fever a few years later. and then another child died. Only two out of eight children, I think, lived. They just went through hell their whole life. His name was Horatio Spafford. And he eventually, you know,

somebody told him that God is punishing you, and he and his wife never gave up. They did some great charitable work, but he also wrote the song all is well all as well with my soul so what he said that song that hymn that got me through

I don't even know if he knew that story but that was written by a guy who suffered a great deal in a Job sort of way that wrote It is well It is well with my soul

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