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Episode Date: April 18, 2024Do we realize how many aspects of American life Biden and the Democrats have fundamentally transformed over the past four years? Glenn, Pat, and Stu preview Glenn’s podcast with RFK Jr. Has he reall...y changed? Bill Maher admits that he believes abortion is murder … but he’s okay with that?! How should Israel respond to Iran’s attack? Former assistant secretary of state under the Trump administration Mora Namdar breaks down what’s really going on with Iran and Israel. Shoreshim Ministries founder Bill Cloud returns to discuss the biblical prophecies that are still to come: Is Hamas in the Bible? Will the current conflict lead to the Gog and Magog war? Does the Dome of the Rock have to be destroyed for the Third Temple to be built? And will the Ark of the Covenant be found? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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All right, so hello, Stu. How are you?
I'm doing well, Glenn. Thank you.
That's great. That's great. Later this hour, I'm going to play a few of the clips from my interview with JFK.
Wow, you got him?
Oh my gosh, you got JFK?
Now it is Dallas.
We're in Dallas.
He's made a remarkable recovery.
Really?
Gosh, the modern science is just...
Well, they kept him frozen for a lot of years underneath Parkland Hospital.
Wow, a miracle.
A miracle.
Wait until next week.
I have an interview with Walt Disney.
No!
Yes.
You got him.
Incredible.
It's going to be exciting.
RFK Jr. was in the studio.
And I have to tell you that...
I may not have been at my tippy top when I did the interview.
I had just had a back procedure done and they put you under general anesthesia and then say,
don't do anything for at least 12 hours.
And I'm like, yeah, I don't know.
But I have an interview with R.K.J. Jr.
And they're like, did you just say you had a?
I have it.
So wait, you got, you said his name right when you were on drugs, but then you got on the air
and said it was JFK.
Yeah, it was weird.
So anyway, so I did the interview with him and we'll talk about it coming up in
just a little while and I'll play some clips of it.
Who did you get to stand in to do his voice so we don't have to hear it?
Was there, what actor did you bring in to like say the same words?
I can't take it.
I know he's got an issue.
I know I should feel, I got it.
But like, it's tough to hear, listen to his voice.
It is tough.
And, you know, listening to him for, you know, an.
hour in 15 minutes,
the only question, when I got towards
the end, the only question I really wanted to ask was,
does that hurt? Yeah. Yeah.
Right. But it doesn't.
It sounds, all I feel
like is like he's just swallowed like
12 razor blades. Yeah, I know. And that's
really what I think about it. It's like I think of legitimate
pain when I hear him talking. And it's hard to
focus. He's got a breathing thing too with it.
You know, as he's talking,
he's like, and it really
it really is.
Yeah. I mean,
it's tough. It's tough. You do feel bad for him on that, especially because, you know, he's had these aspirations, obviously, for a very long time. And it's a big hump to get over. I mean, you know, they talk about you want that perfect candidate, as Trump always says, out of central casting. Like, and, you know, he's like, everyone says he's the good looking guy and he's got a Hollywood wife. And, you know, he's got the family name. He's got so many of the things that you'd think would make a perfect presidential candidate for the Democrat.
But...
Then he has a past.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
I mean...
His past policies.
Did you get into that at all?
I was good.
You said past policies.
Did you get in any of his past?
I mean, the fact that he's got, I mean, is an incredible womanizer.
I mean, to some level, it's he's a Kennedy.
Of course he is.
I mean, to the point, though, that when he's, you know, his wife found out and killed herself.
I mean, this is not a good story.
I didn't get into, hey, your wife.
killed yourself because you're a philanderer. No, I didn't ask that question. You didn't get into that?
No, I didn't. Why not? I didn't. Why not? I didn't think the interview would go well after that.
It wouldn't go well, no, which is exactly what I wanted to happen. Right. I wanted it to go terrible.
This one was hard for me. This was really hard for me. Is this because he wanted you to be specifically
dead? Is this because he wanted you, he didn't want this interview to happen because 20 years ago he
wanted you to be dead? Yes. Is that the reason? That is the reason. You know, and he,
He is such an extremist and on some issues, right?
Like he's good on others, right?
Like, and that's, but yes, he's kind of, honestly, even on some of the issues he's good at,
he's a bit of an extremist.
Yes, he's kind of extreme everywhere.
Right.
And I, and I don't trust him.
I just don't trust him.
I mean, I ended up, I real, that's what I really, that's what I really wanted to find in this interview.
Can, has he really changed?
Has he really changed?
And he gave me an answer to that.
And I, I, I, I, do you buy it?
Do you bias conversion?
Because that's what I hear from people who like him on the conservative side.
They say, look, yes, he said every horrible thing that anyone could ever think of as a liberal.
However, he's now different and we should believe him and make him president.
And that's a, that's a big leap for me.
It's not one I'm even willing to take, right?
Like, I'm not saying you can't have a conversion, but a conversion like that, which by
the way, in his own words, seems to be
incredibly recent, right?
Like, over the past four years, right?
Yeah, yeah, COVID.
COVID.
He said COVID changed him.
And that could be.
Yeah, clearly that did affect him.
Correct.
And, you know, it's central to the way he's been for a long time.
He told me he, everything changed with COVID for him.
He said he didn't ever expect any of those things to happen on the government side
or that the people would take it.
He said, I was shocked.
And I'm like, I don't know.
Me too.
Me too.
Some of it was shocking to us, although a lot of it was not so shocking.
And I think that's, like, it's fascinating.
And you think about, like, when you think about your neighbors who vote, you know, voting for Joe Biden,
a lot of them are in that same world where they just don't think the things we say will happen could possibly occur.
Right.
Right.
Like they're in that, like, haze of like, ah, come on.
And every, this is, these are the people we talked about yesterday with Donald Trump who say, oh, well, if he's convicted of a felony, I won't vote for him.
And it's like, well, there's a like a version of America where I could really see that being a sensible position.
Like, not now.
I'm 60 years old.
And I would say at least 40 of those years and maybe 45 of those years, I would have been like.
A felon?
No.
But no.
Right.
But like now I think you have to look at that with different eyes.
Because you don't trust the judicial system.
This thing in New York with him is out of control.
Yeah.
Just completely out of control.
There's that.
First of all, statute of limitations, gone, doesn't seem to matter to anybody.
He's past the statute of a limit.
You know why we can't get Hunter Biden on the tax thing?
because the statute of limitations is passed.
Right. They delayed to get past the statute of limitations there.
And then in New York, they're coming up with this like novel way to make it count with another crime that the brag has no authority over.
And it's not been, he's not been charged with.
And then drags that in combines them so then he can call it a felony so that he can bring it past the statute of limitations.
I mean, this is definitely going to.
going to get overturned eventually. But the problem is going to get overturned in 2026. And it's like,
well, he's either going to be president or not at that point. Right. Like, you know, this is why they're
doing these things. Maybe it'll be enough. I don't know. It won't be enough. But, you know,
if you can just adjust all of the knobs to be off center by one percent, that adds up. And I think that's,
I think that's their plan.
They're just, they're hitting absolutely everything.
I mean, I was seeing about this last night.
People don't have any idea.
I don't either.
You don't have any idea how many things have been changed in the last four years.
Structurally.
You know, I did a show last night on the medical community.
This is, this is one of my biggest fears.
And it has been since we went into Obamacare.
that if you change the culture with our doctors, you change everything.
The scariest people in World War II were not the jackbooted thugs with the black Hugo Boss uniforms.
They wore white coats.
Doctors were far more dangerous than the SS was.
And I know that's saying something.
but it was the doctors that systematically killed six million people.
It was the doctors.
They killed millions of people that they deemed not worthy of life.
Doctors, what I showed you last night on the TV show, and if you missed it, if you're a Blaze TV supporter, you've got to watch last night's episode.
because I don't think people understand what's coming our way and they're dismissing what's happening in our medical schools.
You are now being told if you go into a medical school, you have to take an oath to DEI.
You can't be a doctor and go through medical school in America if you don't swear an oath to DEI.
That, by the way, would cancel out your Hippocratic oath.
Because your Hippocratic oath is you're a doctor, you'll do no harm, you will not look at the person, you will look at everyone the same.
Well, DEI says exactly the opposite.
We're in real danger and people don't really understand it because of like what you said.
They don't see, you know, they just think, oh, well, it won't happen.
Well, it is happening.
It is happening.
And it's happening rapidly.
People who still think that, you know, we're, they're believing the lies that, oh, you know, inflation's getting better.
No, it's not.
No, it's not.
The Industrial Commodity Index, you know what that is?
It is far higher today than it was in 2020, along with oil and gas prices.
Every base resource that companies make to use products is increasing in value, which means it costs more to make the things you want to buy.
Agriculture is particularly heavy.
It is affected by the oil prices, as well as the prices in fertilizer, farm equipment, higher costs in labor.
From 20 to 23, the total cost paid by farmers to raise crops and care for live.
stock increased by more than $100 billion or 28% increase.
Funny how that number tracks so close to the 30% in overall food prices going up.
30% the cost to make the food has gone up 28%.
So it's not greedflation now, is it?
It's real inflation.
And what the farmers and everybody else are going through there, it is.
not going to stop increasing. Right now, what you paid for in, for eggs and milk and everything
else in 2019 is 30% higher today. Now, today, the inflation numbers come out and they say,
oh, well, it's only up 3.5%. So inflation's getting better. No, that means it's now 33%
higher. Not 30, 33. We've added another three and a half percent. And they're saying that it's,
it's not going to slow down here. We're at, they're preparing you now to expect three percent
to four percent inflation every year. Well, you have four percent. Now that, now you're at 37.
It is food. I am so concerned that people, look, they're, there, they're,
even when I wrote the Great Reset and I said, you know, that they're going to impoverish everyone,
I really didn't understand how it was going to happen.
It's so real to me now.
I know how they're going to impoverish us.
They're impoverishing us by making our jobs absolutely unaffordable.
The restrictions and the new guidelines that companies and especially small,
businesses have to follow. Then the raising of the minimum wage to 20, 25 percent, small businesses
will not be able to function by having no law applied in cities. You know, in 2019,
2020, Manhattan had about 3 percent of their storefronts empty. That's now almost 12 percent.
and they're not coming back, they're going away.
Because I can't remember what it is.
$4 billion, $40 billion.
Numbers mean nothing to me anymore.
It's in the billions of dollars that just the stores in Manhattan
have lost through theft this year.
It's an incredible number.
Who's paying for that?
Who's paying for all of the goods and services that were giving away
to the people that are coming across our border.
Who's paying for it?
You are.
So they're hurting your job.
They're making food harder to buy,
harder for the farmers to grow,
putting businesses out of work,
putting more and more restrictions on you.
Look, here's the thing.
Because I know in this audience,
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believe in the Constitution, believe in a government that is ruled by law and the Constitution,
and are worried about tomorrow because you see it coming.
You listen to this program.
So you see it coming.
You're way ahead of most people.
Let me give you a piece of advice.
Your food has gone up 33% now in inflation.
What investment have you?
you made that has gone up in three years by 33%.
Have you, do you have anything?
You're 401k.
Maybe.
Let me just say this.
Well, give me one minute and then I'm going to come back and I'll give you a piece
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I don't have a lot of extra money. Good. I've said this before and it is becoming so apparent that this is
going to be worth a lot. Food. Buy food with a long shelf life that you can keep and use.
Because if you were using stuff, you know, when you hit tough times and, you know, food is 50%,
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expensive, you're going to be able to last a lot longer than going to the grocery store at that
time and buying that food.
So I would suggest that you look for ways to purchase food with a long shelf life now.
Things are not going to go back the way they were in 2020 for a very long time.
They will eventually, but we are hitting, we have not yet felt the ramifications of everything that has been done in the last three years.
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Edward F. Kennedy announced today he is running for president as an independent.
He's changed his mind. He's one of us now.
RFK called for my execution. Well, I called you a traitor.
The next time he'll see Glenn Beck lying to the American public.
I respect him as a man. I am not looking to sabotage him.
I don't want him to be president. But that's not my decision. That's your decision.
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You know, I feel as though I let people down in a way because it's such a weird paradox.
because I did not come gunning for him.
And that's what I wanted to do.
I think we should use that terminology with a candidate.
Oh, yeah, okay.
I didn't need it that way.
Yeah.
He had Gladbeggers gunning for a Kennedy.
Well, Joe Biden would be okay with that.
I mean, there's no security on him.
But I, I, I, I, I wanted so badly to just take him apart.
And it's not, but I don't feel that's my job.
My job is to just ask questions that people want to know and have a decent conversation with somebody.
Yeah, I think that's, I mean, you're not going to go in there.
That's not what you do.
I can't invite, I've always said this.
I cannot invite somebody into my own house and then set them on fire.
It's not really good.
But I did say to him, there were some things that you have said in the past that Glenn will address.
And so he knew that I was going to be addressing a few things.
But I just, I don't know.
Yeah, you didn't ambush him.
No.
You shouldn't do that with anybody.
I thought the same exact way about the Alex Jones interview.
I wanted to go in there, you know, guns blazing, metaphorically speaking.
but he was so nice.
Yeah, I couldn't.
I couldn't.
I asked him the questions I wanted to ask him, I think, for the most part.
But I, you know, I thought it was going to be confrontational.
And it wasn't?
Was it that way with RFK?
It wasn't confrontational?
Yeah, because I asked him some things.
First of all, I mean, I have great, tremendous respect for his dad.
I think Bobby Kennedy was the good Kennedy.
You don't think so?
Yeah.
I mean, he probably, I don't know.
Relatively speaking, yes.
Right.
And now, I think Ted was the good one.
Yeah.
And now JFK would wouldn't even make it into the Republican Party, let alone the Democrats.
Yeah.
So, you know, we started talking on things like that.
And he was, he never gave solid answers.
He would give, you know, very nice.
scenarios, nice things that he wanted to do, but I never felt like I really got an answer,
you know, but I...
Were you able to at least, I think, you know, because obviously a lot of the people listening
to this are going to be conservatives that are listening to your podcast.
Were you able to at least illuminate some of his more liberal views?
Because I feel like what's been odd about the RFK thing.
He kept saying, uh, I still believe in, for instance, we talked about he.
ESG. And do you believe in ESG? You believe that banks should be able to say what they, what people can invest in and debanking people. And he said, what is that? And I said, ESG. He looked at me like, and I, I actually, I can't imagine how, but I actually believe him that he didn't know what ESG was. I mean, that he said, I know.
comprehensible in 2024.
You can't be president if you don't know what that is.
But I said, ESG, and he just kept looking at me, I said, environmental, social, and
governance.
And he said, oh, environmental, I'm still right where I was on environmental.
And I said, no, do you believe?
And he said, well, no, I don't believe that.
So it was never, I just didn't feel like you could really pin him.
down. He kept coming back, however, to, you know, COVID changed everything for me. Now, whether
that did or not, I've always looked for turning points. I've looked for that pivot point in
people's lives. He claims that's his pivot point. Maybe it is. You know, if you want to be
president in the United States, I'd like to see a little setting time of the cake. You know,
you take the cake out of the oven. Maybe let it set a little bit before you eat it. And it's like,
okay, like, this is a guy who argued for decades, by the way.
And we have, you know, the one clip is in the trailer of him basically calling you a traitor
for not having the same view as on global warming.
But that went on for decades after that clip where he was saying people like the Koch brothers
should be put, they should go to the Hague.
These are his quotes.
Now, I am not completely stunned that after COVID and he went through a lot of
of all of a sudden his views were out of line with what everyone liked,
and all of a sudden he was feeling those pressures.
I'm not surprised that would change his perspective.
However, I'm a little skeptical of a person who believed that for that long of a time
and only change his mind because it hurt him.
That's not the type of principle I want in a leader of the country.
Is he defending American values, or is he defending, wow, this thing happened to me,
and now I realize it's real?
He said, and you'll hear it, and you can believe it or not, by listening to him.
You know, he said that it was not that it happened to him.
It was that he did not expect the American people nor the government to actually do things like that.
You mean the things that he was advocating for from multiple decades?
Yes.
So basically he claimed it was hyperbolic.
And it probably was.
Like, I don't know.
I mean, we all, I mean, you know, when you just said, I want to go gunning for him.
Yeah.
You know, and I don't mean it that way.
We would have never said that 20 years ago, 15 years ago.
We all would have known.
Yeah.
We still do.
But like that's not.
I know.
That was not what he was doing.
I'm sorry.
That was not a joke based on a terrible incident in the Kennedy family history.
You're going to have to decide for yourself.
He was advocating for a policy and did it for a long time in a lot of detail over multiple decades.
That's like you being like, you know, I just don't like.
capitalism anymore because that thing that happened last week makes me president.
Like what?
What?
No.
How about the, you know what?
You set for the, you meridate in that opinion and wait for it to challenge you again.
And let's see how hard you hold that line.
Well, I'd be concerned.
Like, this is outside of, of, of who he is as a person and the things that I don't like
about him.
But it's like, anybody, I think that, that is a rational request.
Like, if, if a massive change in all of your opinion.
happened within the last presidential cycle.
I don't know.
Maybe wait one more presidential cycle before you're the president.
I don't know.
That's a crazy line for me.
Well, he's going to.
At least one is probably many, many, many more.
He's not going to win.
He's not going to win.
It's a frustrating thing.
No, but you know, he could.
He could affect Joe Biden.
Yeah.
Well, but he was talking, you know, to Republicans.
I know.
I mean, he claims he was offered the VP job under Trump.
Yeah.
I don't know if I believe that.
Yeah.
He claims that that happened.
I actually walked away liking him thinking he's a very, he's, when it comes to foreign policy,
he's much smarter than I thought.
We agreed on a lot of things.
If you trust, I thought there were things that,
you know, kind of overlapped that, and I ended up liking him, but I don't trust him. And that just
comes, I think, from time, like you were saying, you know, I have no idea if that's real or not.
I have no idea. And in today's world, I'm not willing to roll the dice. We're already rolling
the dice with every candidate. Why roll the dice with this one? We know what Biden is going to do.
He's proven it to us. We know what Donald Trump is going.
going to do. He's proven it to us. I'd rather not try this one out on the, on the, you know,
on the Daytona 500. Plus, you know, let's have them run a few laps elsewhere. On the things on which
we disagree, we disagree vehemently like climate change. Oh, yeah. Like abortion. I mean, those are
sorry. Kind of two big ones, right? Like, really big ones. Climate change is the control basically
the entire economy. Yeah. So that's a big one to disagree with somebody. Abortion, they're
or children that will either live or die?
Right.
That's kind of a big issue for me.
I don't know if you've heard, but in Arizona,
the Republicans just can't get their act together.
I have heard that.
I heard this this morning on a podcast and they were like,
oh, well, the Republicans couldn't get their act together
to overturn this law.
It's like, well, maybe the act they want to get together
is not killing children.
Maybe that's the act they're trying to accomplish.
Well, that came from 1864, though.
And anything that comes from 1864 is bad.
Really, like laws like, bad.
That are not, you know, if you're not,
You know, if you go back, there were laws against murder in 1864.
That's a bad law.
So we should all the laws now from 1864, we're just going to get rid of and see if we can
repass.
Is that what we're doing now?
It's assonine.
It's assonine.
This is the law that was on the books.
And like, you guys could have passed a law that killed all the children you want law.
That could have happened.
The entire time Roe versus Wade was in, you didn't do it.
So you have the law that's on the books.
That's the way that this works.
It's just incredibly frustrating.
And like, they just will get to this point where, I mean, we saw this with Bill Mar.
Did you see this Bill Mar clip this week where he was talking about abortion?
Do we have this?
Okay.
Yeah.
Play the Bill Mark clip.
The idea that you're fighting an election around this issue seems to be, you know, just strange.
Back the 19th century.
That's weird.
That's weird.
None of you believe it's murder.
Thank you.
You know, that's why I don't understand the 15-week thing.
Or the Trump's plan is, let's leave it to the states.
You mean, so killing babies is okay in some states?
I couldn't respect the absolute position.
I really can't.
I scold the left when they say, oh, you know what?
They just hate women.
People who aren't pro-life, pro-choice, they don't hate women.
They just made that up.
They think it's murder.
And it kind of is.
I'm just okay with that.
I am.
I mean, there's 8 billion people in the world.
I'm sorry, we won't miss you.
That's my position on the.
Wow.
Even chilling to his audience.
Yeah, exactly.
Is that not your position if you're pro-choice?
Isn't that mainly because you don't like children?
I mean, no, no.
But if you are, you said you're pro-choice.
That's your position, too.
And he, by the way, nods to that, peers more.
He nods to that, yes, that is my position.
That's just admitting it's saying the quiet part out loud, right?
Right. I'm okay with murder.
I'm okay with killing babies.
I think it's fascinating because comedians,
like their job is obviously to exaggerate and be funny.
And that wasn't really even trying to be funny.
No, not at all.
Comedians do this often where they cut,
the other part of their job is cutting through all the crap, right?
Like pro choice.
What does that actually mean?
And he's not the only comedian who's been doing this.
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So we were talking about how things are changing and comedians are starting to,
especially when it comes to abortion, speak out.
Bill Maher, we just heard said, yeah, well,
killing a baby and I'm okay with that.
They're just admitting what's actually true.
Correct.
They all know is true.
Correct.
It's just comedians are the only one saying.
And here's another example.
This is Bill Burr.
Pro choice always made sense to me because I don't like people telling me what to do.
And I always just like, it's your body.
Who the fuck am I to tell you what to do with your body?
So that always made sense.
All right?
However, I still think you're killing a baby.
See?
That's where it gets weird.
It's not a baby yet.
they say which may or may not be true i don't know i'm not a doctor but i'll tell you my gut
tells me that doesn't make sense it's not a baby that would be like if i was making a cake and i
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grab the pan and you threw it across the floor now what the f*** just ruined my birthday
cake and then you were like well that wasn't a cake here
It's incredible.
And then also, Lucy Kay did something on this as well.
I don't think it's killing a baby.
I don't.
I mean, it is, it's a little bit, it's a little bit killing a baby.
It's a little bit.
It's 100% killing a baby.
It is totally killing a whole baby.
but I think that women should be allowed to kill babies
I just think it has to be one of the other
you know like when people say abortion should be legal
safe and rare
why rare if it should be legal
if it should be legal it's it's sh-h
if it should be rare it's murdering baby
yeah uh-huh
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I want to talk to you about Iran.
Iran is, I believe, the head of the snake in so many ways.
They will be the source of the next Holocaust, God forbid, if it would happen.
But it's not the Iranian people.
It is the Iranian government that are, they're a horror show.
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Everybody's trying to pressure Israel to not bomb their.
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Warren Omdar is with us. She was in the Trump administration. And, and, Mara, I've been following you.
We've been looking at what should we be doing with Iran. I feel like we have, we've passed so many
exits and our government is only making things worse by cozying up to them, what should be
happening? What should we be looking for and what should we be hoping for?
Hi, Glenn, it's a pleasure to be with you. And you're totally correct. You're absolutely correct.
So what's happened now, all of the trouble that's happening in the region is a direct result of
the head of the snake, as you very correctly said, which is Iran, right? So this is happening
because the Iranian regime is not only deeply unpopular with their own population, they need to
externalize conflict in order to stay in power. People that are familiar with the policy of President
Trump know that his policy was exactly, exactly the worst nightmare for the regime because he was
using maximum pressure to cripple the regime by robbing them of the funds they use to spread
terror at home and abroad, right? So this regime, when you understand the history of it, that it
came into power in a whirlwind in 1979. It's based on terror.
and it's based on ruling through fear.
And they had to externalize conflict in order to keep hold.
So we would be remiss not to be students of history and actually understand that for this regime to maintain power,
they have to externalize conflict and they have to create manufactured crisis for people to rally around the flag.
It is a false enemy.
The highest population of Jewish people outside of Israel in the Middle East are in Iran.
There is no natural animosity between the Iranian people and the Israeli people or Jews in general.
is a manufactured crisis by the Islamic regime and power in Iran, and it's one of many that they
need to try to distract and keep hold of power.
You know, it's one of the only countries that I look at a lot like we should have looked
at Russia when it was the Soviet Union, that the people were not the government at all.
And in fact, I think the United States, it's starting to be like that way now, that our
government is doing things overseas and, you know, fighting wars and, and, and, and, and, and,
forcing people to live under our, you know, our quote values all over the world.
And we're getting a bad name around the world.
And it's like, no, no, no, no, no.
But that's not us.
That's the government.
Same there.
And exactly the same as it was in the Soviet Union.
And that's different than most places.
That's different than, for instance, in Gaza, where most of the people are, you know, they really do believe that, you know, the Israelis,
need to be killed in America is the great Satan, et cetera, et cetera.
So in Iran, the population is vastly pro-American, right?
So you have a very pro-American population.
And if you recall, prior to 1979, things like the hijab or the mandatory hair scarf
were not around.
So you have a population or, you know, an age group that's my age or younger that
remembers, hey, their moms didn't have to do this.
You know, their ancestors didn't have to do this.
This is manufactured restrictions from this regime.
Because you have a very pro-Western, pro-American population.
When the regime, you know, paints the American flag or the Israeli flag on the ground,
the population will walk around it.
This is a population that under President Trump, you know, was chanting his name and people wrote Trump 2020 on IRGC basis.
This is a very brave population that is very pro-American that believes in the values of America,
believes in the dream of America, and, you know, wants to emulate that.
it's their regime that's counter to it.
So if we don't understand that and we don't capitalize that as Americans, we're remiss and we're
going to keep making the same mistakes.
Why are we funding an anti-American regime through non-enforcement of sanctions, through, you know,
these horrible hostage deals that you're just promoting the more taking of hostages, and then
wondering why the policy is a failure.
You know, had a working policy under President Trump, and Joe Biden completely reverse that
policy back to a failed Obama-era JCPOA impeachment statute.
and then we're wondering why it's not working.
Well, let's have some strategic smart policy.
You support the will of the people and you put maximum pressure on the regime.
Support the people that love you and you put pressure on the people that hate you.
Okay, so what should, because I look at Israel and their response, which they say is coming,
but probably, you know, after Passover, I look at this and I think to myself, as an American,
oh, no, please, I don't want another thing on fire, but it's already on.
fire. But if I were as an Israeli, I would be saying, hit them right now. Hit them. What should they do
if you're from the Israeli perspective? What should they do? Yeah. So from the Israeli perspective,
they're between Iraq and a hard place, right? It's impossible to fight on every single front.
And of course, you know, when you're attacked, any country has the right to have a response.
My point is be strategic, because you cannot get into a war with Iran.
expect a good result. And you don't even want to do that, not just because the U.S.
you know, is under a certain type of leadership that is probably not going to, you know,
help you out to the degree that you'd want to be helped out. But even beyond that,
accepting the reality of the situation is, why would you want to make an enemy of the Iranian
people who are on your side and re-solidify the regime, right? The regime, when it came into power
in 79, was very unstable. It was the Iran-Iraq war and Saddam's invasion that allowed
them to have people rally around the flag and solidify themselves through a power grab. Why would
you repeat that mistake? If you want the end result of a peaceful, stable, democratic potential ally
in an Iran that you can get along with, well, great, let's take steps to make that happen.
You know, dropping bobs and an all at war on a population in Iran is not the way to do it.
But wait, wait, wait, wait, I don't think that's what they would even consider. I hope not.
But I do think they would target strategic places that would hurt the administration and hurt their ability to build bombs.
Right. I think a strategic response is totally within their calculus to decide on what they want to do and not do.
From my perspective, I think the less casualty or loss you have to innocent civilian lives, the better position you are.
Because the more that happens, as they've seen, the more of a PR nightmare it is for them and more of a nightmare it is on an international scale.
So they've got to be strategic.
They've got to be very, very careful about how they respond.
But of course, everybody's entitled to respond whenever they're attacked.
So what are your thoughts about the long arm of Iran?
I mean, we're seeing people now on the streets, you know, death to America, death to Israel.
We're seeing things that we've not seen in our own streets.
And we're seeing a lot of it.
And I got to believe that when they're ready, they'll put.
pull the trigger when they feel it's the right time. They'll pull the trigger and we'll have
really not good things happening here. Again, another Joe Biden policy failure, right, with his
border crisis. So this is the absurdity of Joe Biden's administration and, you know, the failure of
reversal of Trump's policies that we're working. So this is a direct result of allowing an open border
crisis and allowing anybody to come in without any vetting. I mean, I'm the child of immigrants, right?
There's nobody, I think, that thinks that there shouldn't be any immigrants allowed in the United States, but you have to know who's coming in, what their intentions are.
You have to have proper vetting, and you can't allow this type of infiltration of our country of nefarious actors, because the regime does have a long arm, and they are sending people in.
And, you know, it's been publicized in the press when I worked in the prior administration.
They were trying to target administration officials back under President Trump, let alone what they're trying to do now.
So, you know, there's former officials I work with that have, you know, pretty heavy.
full-time security. There's journalists that work for, you know, VOA and other stations that had
pretty serious attempts on their life. So it's not a joke. And, you know, allowing this sort of open
loophole to come in through, you know, any border, any entry, no questions asked, is going to be
exploited by, exploited by nefarious actors like the regime. And it's a crisis waiting to happen.
So do the, does anybody in the State Department ever take the leaderships,
a view of, you know, end of days and the 12th, the mom and all of this crap, you know,
they'll look at somebody who is, you know, saying a prayer, you know, someplace in America,
in a Christian church, and they'll be like, that's a religious zeal.
They're going to tear the country apart.
And then they'll dismiss these people who say, in speeches, oh, Allah, you know, give me the strength
to hasten the return of the promised one, which is,
really terrifying. Does anybody, do they take this? There's a big of cognitive dissonance here.
And it's, you know, when you have discussions with people that, you know, might be working in departments and have a different point of view, there is a tendency to sort of say, oh, well, that's not what they mean or that's hyperbole.
Or, you know, they don't really mean death to America when they say it.
Yeah, they do.
It's the sort of waving off that is just an unsurious position to take.
And there's, I mean, it's not a secret that there's a lot of.
Iranian regime, pro-regime lobbyists in this country who purposely push this narrative and purposely
provide false information to try to sort of wave off the crazy statements that are made and the really
damaging statements that are made and sort of say, oh, that's just hyperbole. That's just, you know,
lost in translation. But it's really not. You know, I mean, the actions speak louder than words.
And when they actions follow those words, you have to take them seriously. You can't just say,
oh, it's a fluke a hundred times over. No, they mean what they say. It's really, uh,
terrifying when you you look at the history of Hamas and the the grand mufti, you know,
from the 1920s and 30s that was a huge Hitler supporter.
And what those seeds that were planted.
And then in the new Islamic Republic, the leadership there, they mean it when they say,
you know, we'll kill the Jews and, you know, Israel will burn in the, uh, the flames of the Islamic
Fury, they mean that. They mean that. Do they are? I think they, I think that the regime knows exactly
what they're doing to rattle everyone around them. And I think if given an opportunity to externalize
a conflict, they'll do it, right? So these are, these are not irrational actors. These are rational
actors who have a strategic point of view and believe what they believe. They use the foundations
of, you know, whatever faith or political realities are necessary to achieve a
political end, right? So these people are not, you know, saying things that they don't mean. They mean
them and they want to be strategic to maintain control of power and maintain control of a population
that is not supported by them, right? They're deeply, deeply unpopular with their own population,
let alone externally, but they have to create a boogeyman. They have to create this externalized
conflict to sort of distract from the plethora of problems they have at home. So, you know, you've got to take them
to a certain degree at face value, but also understand that there are political and strategic and
real goals at the end of, you know, the pretty crazy statements.
You know, there's, there doesn't seem to be any love of the Palestinian movement from the
neighbors of Israel. They, they close their borders. They don't want them. And it seems to be
the same thing with the administration of Iran. But the, you know, middle,
Eastern countries, I think, like the conflict with the Palestinians. I don't know what it serves,
but they seem to like it. And they don't like Iran, but they seem to pussyfoot around.
All of the advances that Trump made in pulling that coalition together, Egypt and Saudi Arabia,
and really building a coalition with Israel to stand against Iran, have we just blubing.
own that?
Yeah, pretty much.
I mean, I can give you a nicer answer, but I mean, in a lot of ways, there's been a lot
of damage done to a lot of the coalition building.
I mean, the Abraham Accords were wildly successful.
That was a great President Trump initiative.
And frankly, I mean, talk about the Nobel Peace Prizes in some years that have been handed
out willy-nilly.
President Trump should have gotten a Nobel Peace Prize for that, right?
So that was ground baking for Middle East peace is to have the Abraham Accords.
And frankly, we're sitting in a position now where a lot of that work has been unwound.
has been backtracked. And again, the United States needs to be a stable, reliable ally and a stable,
reliable foe, an adversary for those that challenge us. You can't have this flip-flop of foreign
policy from administration to administration and expect to have the credibility that we want
to did in the world, right? So there has to be, you know, some sort of adults in the room, which,
you know, the Biden administration claimed to be, but clearly are not. And, you know,
understanding that, hey, maybe we have policy differences with our predecessors.
but these policies worked and these policies were strategic and effective.
And perhaps we shouldn't unwind them just for the sake of, you know, pacifying a base in the U.S.
and saying we undid everything he did, you know, have some clear eyes and say that, hey,
to Abraham Accords were a good thing.
Stability in the Middle East and no new wars was a good thing.
So let's keep that going.
Thank you so much for all that you do and making the Middle East a little easier to understand.
More I appreciate it.
God bless.
Happy to do.
You bet.
Thank you.
God bless.
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Edward F. Kennedy announced today he is running for president as an independent.
He's changed his mind.
He's one of us now.
RFK called for my execution.
Well, I called you a traitor.
The next time you see Glenn Beck lying to the American.
public. I respect him as a man. I am not looking to sabotage him. I don't want him to be president,
but that's not my decision. That's your decision. Robert, welcome to the program. Thanks for having me.
Today, uh, today, uh, 9 p.m. Eastern. I, uh, am interviewing RFK, uh, and it is available at
Blaze TV and then it will be available for the podcast everywhere you can get your
podcast on Saturday.
It was a, it's been a, it's, it's been a weird week, quite honestly, it's been a weird,
really weird week.
I did that interview coming, just coming off of anesthesia, because I had to have a procedure
done on my back.
And so I, you know, it may have been a little loopy.
Your history.
doing interviews when you're impaired in some way is not necessarily good.
I do remember you going on the view once when you were really,
really sick.
Yes.
Do you remember this?
Yeah, it didn't go well.
Did this go better than the view?
No.
Yeah.
Okay, that's good.
That's possible.
Well, I mean, could it have gone worse on the view?
No, no.
And, but I, you know, I asked him, you know, the questions that I tried to find out who he
really was.
Yeah.
That's what you should do.
I mean, I get irritated by him and want you to just go after him.
But that's how you should handle the interview.
You shouldn't listen to my advice.
I made a promise that I would do interviews with everybody who is running for president.
The only one I haven't had in the official series is Donald Trump.
But we've had, you know, I've done several interviews with Donald Trump.
Did you do a Biden?
No, no, Joe Biden.
I think you should invite.
I think it's, doors open, right?
When you'd have a lot.
Doors open.
And I would.
Love to have him on.
I would treat him well.
I mean, I would, I do not invite people into my house and then pee all over him.
No.
You've had that policy for a very long time.
Yeah.
It's not right.
It's not right.
You know, I, and I, I am not the decision maker here.
I will ask the questions and then you have to answer and then let the people decide.
So, you know, I learned some things about.
RFK and not necessarily in the way or what I, I don't know, it's just not what I expected,
not what I expected.
Haven't changed my mind, you know, on voting for him on president.
And I think, so are you going to vote for him?
No, no, I'm not.
No, I'm not.
No, I'm not.
But, you know, I had a very pleasant conversation with him.
And, you know, he claims that he is a different man.
And that's great.
Yeah.
I really do hope he's changed from what he was.
I do too. I mean, because what he was was not great.
Yeah.
But I still, when you're talking about electing the president of the United States, you'd like to be more certain.
Yes.
Yes.
About who a person is.
Right.
But I mean, but look at, I always cheer on a conversion story when you're converting to the right side.
And some of the, and again, he's, he is not converted on the environment, as he pointed out to you, which is really outside of wishing for the death of the guy I work with every day.
That was one of my biggest problem.
problems with him. Really, you had a problem with that? Because don't you kind of lean that direction?
I wanted to be the one who did it. I want to be the one who commits the murder.
No, I think the global warming stuff is so, so bonkers from him, so over the top that it just says he's changed.
He said he's still global warming central. Right. He's still environmental. But he doesn't want people to be killed before opposing it.
He's reversed himself on the censorship aspect. In other words, people.
his previous belief was people who support global warming skepticism should be treated as
traders.
He's talked about putting them in front of the Hague many times.
You know, he, and again, again, there's other stuff that was concerning to me, like his
lengthy support for Hugo Chavez and things like that.
But though some of those seem to have changed.
Like he's not changed his position that.
on the policies surrounding global warming,
he's just saying he shouldn't put the opponents
of those policies in prison.
And that's a good change.
Yes.
That is a good, very minor change.
That will not exactly get me over the hump
to support his candidacy.
But as you point out,
you can have a good conversation with him,
and you are, you've done this with many people
that you disagree with.
And that's a good part of the podcast.
It's one of the reasons that podcast works well.
Like, because not everybody is a hardcore conservative
that comes on here or that agrees with you.
That agrees with you on everything.
I would love to have a conversation with Bill Maher now.
Okay.
Bill Maher is, he has changed and he's, and maybe not.
He may not have changed any of positions, but I think he takes it more seriously and he's not going for Clappter.
He's, he, I think he's had a change in, you know, things are getting really serious here and we have to have honest conversations.
And for the first time, you know, I look at Bill Maher.
Can we play that clip we played last hour?
The abortion one?
Yeah.
Listen to this, Bill Maher, just recently.
The idea that you're fighting an election around this issue seems to be, you know, just strange.
Yeah, really weird.
Back the 19th century.
Well, clap, clap, clap.
None of you believe it's murder.
Thank you.
You know, that's why I don't understand the 15-week thing.
Nobody laughs.
Or the Trump's plan is, let's leave it to the states.
You mean, so killing babies is okay in some states?
I can respect the absolutist position.
I really can.
I scold the left when they say, oh, you know what?
They just hate women.
People who aren't pro-life, pro-choice, they don't hate women.
They just made that up.
They think it's murder.
And it kind of is.
I'm just okay with that.
I am.
I mean, there's 8 billion people in the world.
I'm sorry, we won't miss you.
That's my position on the...
It's quite a harsh, Bill.
Yeah, exactly.
Is that not your position if you're pro-choice?
Isn't that mainly because you don't like children?
I mean...
No, no.
I mean, but if you are, you said you're pro-choice, that's your position too.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
That's totally true.
And by the way, I completely agree with him on his point on the absoluteest positions
of the only one that makes sense.
It is.
It doesn't make any sense to ban it in 18 weeks and be like, okay, I guess we did it.
We banned 1.6% of abortions.
I think now our hands are clean.
Like, none of that makes any sense to me.
But that's a whole other story.
So the reason why I bring this up is for the first time, I think I'm getting to where Ronald Reagan was with Tip O'Neill.
You know, the old story is, well, they could just hash it out and just really come at each other and then go have a beer.
Well, I don't want to have a beer with AOC or, you know, Joe Biden or...
That would be the weirdest bar in the world.
And I would need...
You think the Star Wars Cantina was weird?
Imagine you walk into a bar and just Glenn back at AOC and just throwing them back.
Yeah.
And believe me, if I were in the bar with AOC, I would not be starting with beer.
Bring the jack.
Leave the bottle here.
So anyway, you know, but I, but that's because they're not honest.
They're fake, yeah.
Yeah.
He's at least saying the truth.
He's saying, look, I don't have a problem with it.
It is murder.
It is killing babies.
But I don't have a problem with that.
And nobody likes that point of view.
But at least he's being honest.
At least he's being honest.
You know, and he's, you can disagree with him.
All you want.
But as long as somebody is honest on the other side of the table, I can get along with them forever.
It's my problem is the progressives, because it's built in their name, progress, a little bit at a time.
And they will deny their end goal.
And because they deny their end goal, you can't talk to them.
You have nothing serious, nothing serious.
The female voice that starts.
that clip is a great example of it.
Like, I don't understand why they'd want to fight an election on this issue.
It's just strange.
Is it strange the ending of life of children?
Is that like a weird thing for you to think about during the election?
I mean, I kind of find it weird that fighting for the right to end the lives of children is something you want to fight the entire election on.
But that's what they're doing.
But that's why they used to say safe, rare and legal.
And then they said screw rare.
Right.
because they used to, they were more honest.
Look, it's bad.
It's really bad.
We think it's the best of two horrible choices.
Correct.
Like, that's a bad position and wrong to me.
Now they're saying it's a great choice.
In fact, maybe the choice more people should make.
And in some ways, that's more intellectually defensible than the other position.
You know, it's like, if you're going to be Bill Maher and say, yeah, killing people's fine, at least that's consistent.
It doesn't make any sense to say, I.
think killing people is wrong, but also women's rights are the way I'm going to make this decision
on this.
No, but see, that's the way to win, though.
Right.
That is the way to win.
It's not honest.
It's not honest, but it is the way to win.
And frankly, it's the same thing that's going on with the Republicans right now.
Like, the, like, I don't, like, the idea of having some sort of ban that's, that takes out
one or two percent of abortions, like, it's great to put a ceiling on it.
Every baby that can actually be born instead of dying is something that I'm going to,
be happy about. But like at the end of the day, these decisions are being made because people
want to win elections, which is a concern, right? Like, it's a legitimate concern. I know a lot of
people who believe, like, you got to stay away from the abortion thing because it's just,
it's an election killer. Maybe it is. But like, at some point, you have to think, like,
this is a very basic life and death issue. At some point, you just need to be able to say,
Hey, like, I'm not going to fold on that issue.
Like, I don't understand why.
Every single, every single Congress, there is not a Republican proposing a constitutional amendment to ban abortion.
Not, what if we take three days off the end and make it a 22 week and four day ban?
Or whatever they're proposing.
Like, how is there not, at least.
You know, it may never pass.
Oh, there should be.
It should be proposed every single Congress and should have at least a vote every single
Congress.
It's that serious of an issue.
John Quincy Adams.
He went back to Congress to stop slavery.
He was the president.
And he went back to Congress to sit as a congressman and having to get votes every two
years.
And he sat there just to propose an end to all slavery.
Yeah.
And he did it over and over and over again.
wasn't popular. You know, and he realized at the end, you can't make, you're going to have to have
to have a war over this because there is no progress. Nobody's making progress on this. They're all
just talking a good game. And it was an issue that was so important that that was a,
and you couldn't get people to talk about it for the same reason. Nobody wants to think about this.
Nobody wants to think about it. It's true. It is the slavery issue of our day. And you know what? No one does
want to think about it because it's difficult issues you're talking about it's got everything to do
from sex all the way to like these all the possible decisions and and and when democrats have to think
about what it really is they have to face a lot of uncomfortable truths about their position and what are
the republicans doing right now well what we should do is make sure no one can think about it because
what if we lose this election and i lose my seat like the the republican response is to take the
responsibility away from people on the left who are advocating for this policy and hopefully
making them never have to think about it again.
How does that change long term?
Yeah, I got it.
Maybe it gets you an extra couple hundred votes in your district.
But how does that change things long term?
How does this end in children not dying?
Can you explain that?
Doesn't seem to be even part of the plan for a lot of these people.
It is the progressive way.
That is the problem.
Republicans are progressives as well.
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about that coming up. We have Bill Cloud back on. He is the founder of Jacobs Tent's Fellowship,
also Shoresham Ministries.
And he's probably, he's taught biblical prophecy for a long time.
And what I like about him, he's not like, we're all going to die.
It's coming tomorrow.
He takes a very tempered look at everything and just can give you the facts that we know,
but we don't know if those are the facts that, you know,
God was telling us to look for.
Is that a good explanation, Bill?
Well, I do try to be tempered.
I mean, I try to keep all of my theology in this solar system.
So, you know, so I try to be that way.
Okay.
And, you know.
And you said yesterday that sometimes, you know, what we think is going, we're looking for,
is not necessarily going to happen the way we think it's going to happen.
Can you give me an example of that?
Well, yeah, in Matthew chapter 17,
and Psy goes up to the top of the mountain,
Peter, James, and John.
He's transfigured.
His face is shining like the light.
The disciples see this, and they're coming back down the mountain, and they're puzzled
because they ask them, hey, we thought that, well, the prophecy teachers of the day told
us that Elijah would come first.
But you're already here.
You're obviously the Messiah.
So how come Elijah didn't come first?
And he said, well, Elijah did.
You just missed it because you were looking for that Elijah, but you missed the whole message
that John the Baptist was giving in the spirit and the power of Elijah.
So that's a very quick example of we can be looking for this.
It's got to look like that.
It's got to be in this size and everything else.
And the whole time God's doing exactly what he would said, just not in the way that we were looking for.
So, as I said yesterday, it's very important that as we read these prophecies, you know, we interpret them, we think they're going to happen this way based on what we see going on in the world today.
But sometimes, and maybe even a lot of times, it doesn't happen the way we think.
It just happens exactly the way God said, and it's usually after it's happened that we can look and say, oh, okay, yeah, I see it now.
So that's an example, and that is very important, I believe, in going forward.
And, you know, when we see all these things happening in the world.
So I often have thought if you were alive during Hitler's reign, especially if you were, you know, had a front row seat to it, you had to have thought Jesus is coming soon.
But there were a lot of things that had not been accomplished.
For instance, the reestablishment of Israel and then the gathering of Israel.
And so, you know, if you knew your scriptures, you would go, well, no, I don't think so, but it could happen quickly.
But now a lot of really big things have happened.
What big prophecies have been fulfilled and what is still out there that we should be watching for?
Well, you mentioned the reestablishment of the nation of Israel in 48, the capturing of the old city and the reunification of Jerusalem in 67, which at that point gave Jews access to the Temple Mount, although temporarily.
So the regathering of Israel is a big one, and I might say that that one is still ongoing.
Yes.
And it has not yet come to its ultimate fruition.
And what does it mean the gathering of or re-gathering of his?
Israel. What does that mean exactly? Well, very long story short, because of transgression, because of
rebellion, because of all these different sins, Israel was exiled. And to this day, a lot of Israel is
still scattered through the nations. And so there are these multiple prophecies of how in the
last days God will gather all of Israel into the land to the point, and this is the way Jeremiah puts it,
that they will no longer talk about the exodus out of Egypt, but they'll talk about the
exodus from all these different nations. And because we aren't talking in those terms just
yet, that tells me it has not yet come to its ultimate fulfillment. Because we're going to talk
about in just a couple of days how God brought his people out of Egypt. So it's an ongoing thing.
But that's a really big one. But there are other things that are happening right now. I think
the Gaza and war is something that is very significant because there are prophecies about Gaza,
about the land of the Philistines.
I think this war has the potential.
I'm not going to make the prediction,
but it has the potential to lead into other things.
The attack the other night by Iran was said to be at least affiliated with,
you know,
what's going on in Gaza and these kinds of things.
So there are things going on right now that do set the stage potentially for some things to happen.
And that makes our day a little different,
now.
What you're saying that Gaza could turn into?
What are you referring to?
Well, again, there are different prophecies about Gaza, how it's going to be, you know,
destroyed, basically.
But here is the thing that jumps out at me.
It's the fact that Hamas has played such a big role.
Bible names Hamas by name. There are prophecies against Edom and Esau, and it says because of the
Hamas that you've committed against your brother Jacob, which is translated violence, I'm going to
deal with you. And Obadiah, it says, because you committed Hamas against your brother Jacob,
I'm going to deal with you. In Genesis, before the days of Noah leading up to the flood, it says that
Hamas filled the earth. So I do not believe that that is just some cosmic coincidence. That's God
way before any of this, you know, we were even thought of, God's already telling us things in the
beginning to be on the lookout in the end. So the fact that Hamas has been the instigator,
the primary instigator, as it relates to what's going on in the Gaza war right now,
to me, it's something that is very, very important, and that means then it has the potential
to expand into other things, other prophecies. They talk about the destruction of Damascus,
and leading all the way up to, you know, what a lot of people are looking for, the War of Gog and Magog.
So all that is on the table as a possibility.
Is it going to happen right now?
Again, I don't know.
There are things that are happening that could lead to these more dramatic events.
So anyway, that's what I mean by the Ghazan thing.
The destruction in Syria, Damascus could happen overnight.
the return of the the Jews to Israel, you would think that would be almost impossible.
But, you know, one of the things I've been thinking lately, you know, disconnected from, you know, end time stuff is if I were a Jew today and I saw the whole world starting to heat up like this, there would come a time when I'd be like, you know, I'm going to just, I'm going to Israel.
Because I at least going to stand with my own people because it's the only place where I may not be persecuted, you know.
without a shot of standing up.
Well, and I think that this is going to sound maybe a little bizarre,
but God's way is to put pressure on people to move them into the place that he wants them to be.
Correct.
I mean, that's just a plain, simple fact.
So I don't discount that at all.
I think that as these things begin to unfold,
it's going to become increasingly unpopular in the world to be Jewish,
to be associated with Israel, to stand with Israel. But at the same time, you know, God uses that
pressure to kind of put people into position that he wants to be to kind of force his will. And it's
always going to be for the best interests of his people. But it doesn't feel very good at the time
when you're being subjected to all that pressure. Do Iran and Russia and their alliance play a role
in prophecy? Well, a lot of people think so. I'm one of those. And,
based primarily in what you're reading Ezekiel 38 and 9. This is the war I mentioned briefly a moment ago,
the war of Gog and Magog, right? And so if you think, if you read the prophecy, we don't have
time to do that today, but if you think that Russia is the land of Magog, then I'd say yes.
In fact, that prophecy talks about how this chief prince, this ruler over the land of Megag
is going to come from the far north. Well, if you start in Israel and go north, if you go to the
far north you're in Russia. So it seems like that Russia would be involved. And of course,
the old Soviet Union was never a friend to Israel, who's always aligned with Israel's enemies.
If I were Netanyahu, I wouldn't trust Putin as far as I can spit. So, you know,
Russia is, you know, not a good guy in this regard. And then when you read that prophecy,
Ezekiel 38, 9, you'll see that among the Confederates, the first one is mentioned is Persia,
which is, of course, the ancient name for Iraq.
Ron. Just kind of a sidebar here, interesting to me anyway. The name Iran or the modern
name Iran is derived from the word Aryan. Maybe that should tell you something. Yeah, I've always
thought so. Before we get into the Ark of the Covenant, which I just find fascinating,
you said that we need to watch out for Esau. Who's Esau in the Bible and in modern times?
Well, Esau, of course, was the older brother, Jacob.
He's all red and hairy, and he's impulsive, and he's a hunter, and all these kinds of things,
and he has no regard for the birthright.
He has no regard for the covenant that God made with Abraham.
Jacob is the more temperate one.
He values these things that are eternal.
So when Jacob obtained the blessing of his father, Isaac, Esau vowed to kill him.
So as you read ahead into prophecy, you will see that even though the man Esau died,
God still addresses Esau, also known as Edom, you know, centuries later, because of your hatred
toward your brother, because of the Hamas you commit towards your brother, I'm going to deal with
you in the end.
And so to me, today, Esau is epitomized in those people like Hamas, like Hezbollah.
They have this ancient hatred, and that's the way it's termed in Ezekiel, chapter 35.
And I would even include, Glenn, in that mix, all of these people that are getting on the Golden Gate Bridge and stopping traffic and doing all these protests and standing outside New York University last night and, you know, chanting death to America and Dearborn, Michigan, I would include that in the people that are identified as Esau from a biblical point of view, not so much because they're descended from the man.
No, but because of their same mindset.
Their hatred, their unreasonable hatred.
Correct.
Okay.
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So does the dome of the rock have to be destroyed for the third temple?
That's what most people think when they consider, you know, a rebuilding of the temple.
Although not everybody thinks that that is necessary, and because there is some dispute
about where the temple actually sat, where the Holy of Holies was, there's a lot of religious Jews
to believe it's, you know, where the Dome of the Rock is.
There was a gentleman, excuse me, back in the late 80s, early 90s, he was a professor at the Hebrew University.
He felt that the Holy of Holies actually was a little north of the Dome of the Rock
under a place or at a place called the Dome of the Tablets and the Spirits.
So most people believe that the Dome of the Rock has to go.
There are some who believe that it's possible that the temple could have sat just north
and technically speaking could be on the same platform.
There's even a passage in Revelation chapter 11 where John is told to measure the temple of God
on the altar, but to leave the court outside, leave that out.
Right.
That's given the Gentiles.
So some people have thought, well, maybe that is suggesting that there's going to be
a temple alongside the, either the dome of the rock or the Alask mosque mosque.
You know, I don't know.
I find that problematic for a lot of reasons.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, it's kind of like the burning of the red heifer right there, you know, in Arab territory.
might be a problem with that.
That's right.
So the Ark of the Covenant is where they kept the Ten Commandments,
and I know it was real.
I know it existed, but I never ever really thought,
we're going to find that.
We're going to find that?
Is that important for the rebuilding of the temple?
Well, technically speaking, the second temple,
this is the one that was built after the Babylonian captivity,
and then Herod expanded it.
That one did not have the Ark of the Covenant in it.
And it was still considered the House of God.
So there is historical precedent for building the Temple and not having the art.
However, there's prophecies that talk about how the glory of the latter house is going to be greater than the first one, referring to Solomon's, which had the Ark of the Covenant.
So technically, they could rebuild it without the art.
However, there have been those in Israel since the Reunificate.
of Jerusalem who, you know, not only do they want to build a temple on the temple mount, but they want to find the Ark of the Covenant. And there are a lot of traditions as to what happened in the Ark of the Covenant. Some say that it went to Ethiopia, which I don't believe. Some people say that Jeremiah hid it in Mount Nebo, which is in Jordan. Some people believe that it is outside of the old city buried. And then there are quite a number of people, and particularly people close to,
the idea of rebuilding the temple who believe that it's buried somewhere underneath the temple mount.
That's not really a big secret, honestly.
It's all over the internet.
But I find that, you know, if you know anything about the temple mount, and well, can you hold on just a second?
We'll come back to this here in just a second because there's supposed to be a labyrinth of tunnels underneath, etc., etc.
but I can't see how those haven't been, you know, exhaustively gone through by those of the Muslim religion.
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We're glad you're here.
We're talking to Bill Cloud as Passover comes up on Monday.
We're talking about biblical prophecies
because there's a lot of stuff happening in the world right now
where a lot of people are going,
you know, I think I've read about this someplace before.
But no man knows when.
I mean, it could be a thousand,
years from now, but it will happen at some point. And we need to be aware. And I want to make this
really clear. And Bill, I think you'll back me up on this. The Lord was not, he didn't look at
scriptures and go, man, it just doesn't have a snappy ending. I want part two of this. So let me leave
him on a scary cliffhanger. The book of Revelation was written not to scare us, but to say,
look, all of these things will come to pass.
And it's almost, I think it's a blessing that he says.
And, you know, at this point, the seven-year clock starts to tick off.
And he's telling us, I'm not, don't be shocked by these things.
They're going to be bad and they're going to seem like they're never ending, but they're not.
And I'm telling you these things.
So you have faith and can make it through those times.
Is that how you read it?
Absolutely.
When you go to the book of Revelation, by the way, and you look at the heading, it says
the revelation of Jesus Christ.
It does not say the revelation of the Antichrist or the tribulation or bold judgments
and vile judges.
It's about the Messiah.
In fact, it says in that book that the essence of prophecy is the testimony of Messiah.
The spirit of prophecy is about the Messiah.
So everything about all this, you know, bad stuff, ultimately it's going to point us to the Messiah because all the bad stuff is just the Satan and those who practice wickedness trying to stop the Messiah from returning and sitting upon his throne in Jerusalem to rule and reign.
So, yeah, it doesn't end on a bad note.
It ends on what mankind, those who love righteousness and holiness, have been longing for since Adam was exiled from the garden, a return.
to be with God and God be in our midst.
So that's the greatest thing that we could ever hope for.
And all these things that we see are pointing us to that.
So it's an excellent observation on your part.
He tells us these things.
In fact, when he sat down on the Mount of Olives with his disciples,
this is in Matthew 24.
By the way, the Mount of Olives is where they'll burn that red her
when they do it.
But anyway, he sits down on the Mount of Olives,
and he says, basically, I'm telling you all these things, as you said,
so that you'll know this is going to happen, but don't be dismayed.
Don't fall in despair.
I'm telling you these things so that you will not be deceived.
I'm telling you these things in advance, so you won't be impulsive and go running after things that you shouldn't go running after.
So when these things happen, keep your focus.
Stay, you know, kind of stay the course on what you know is right to do.
So I absolutely agree with you.
Growing lawlessness is a sign of the last days.
and we're seeing lawlessness like I've never seen before.
Now, this has happened over and over again where societies become lawless and they collapse.
But lawlessness in the last days, it gives birth to the lawless one, which is the Antichrist, right?
Right, exactly.
You know, that's exactly right.
A lot of people have thought that the Antichrist will come to power and he'll create this lawless environment.
I believe the Bible teaches that a lawless environment gives birth to the lawless one, the son of perdition, the Antichrist.
To me, that makes sense.
I mean, it's, you know, it was about 2006.
I was talking to Condoleezza Rice, and she used very specific language.
She was on my show, and we were talking about, you know, what things look like now.
and what's coming our way.
And she said, these things are birth pangs of the things to come.
And I thought that was, you know, rather unusual language for somebody to use because it's very scriptural.
Yeah, that's biblical language for sure.
Yeah, it is.
And we are giving birth to something.
I don't know if it's the, you know, the Antichrist or the Entente.
times or just really, really bad times.
But everything that we're seeing, these are like contractions and birth pangs.
When things happen, you're like, ow, that hurt.
And they're becoming faster and faster and closer and closer to one another.
We are giving birth to something.
Well, in Hebrew, it's called Hevle-Mashiv.
It's the birth pangs of the Messiah.
The Messiah is, you know, and his rule and reign over the earth, that's what is, that's
being birth.
That's what's coming to fruition.
It's just in the process, the earth and everybody in it has to go through these birth pangs.
Paul talks about how the earth is groaning and producing this travail in these birth pangs so that the sons of God will be revealed.
So that goes hand and glove with the Messiah, his return.
So that's what's being birthed.
But just like in any birth of something that is wonderful, there's all this yuckiness and all this pain and suffering.
And unfortunately, that pressure has to be there.
to get those who are listening to the voice of the Lord in the place that he wants them to be.
And that is not giving into the lawlessness, not giving into the just crazy stuff that, you know,
society is pushing down our throats, but to stand true, you know, based on what scripture says.
So that's what's being birthed as far as I'm concerned.
So let me go back to the Ark of the Covenant because it seems almost like, it just seems like an Indiana Jones movie.
It doesn't even seem real in some ways.
I know it is or I know it was, but then it just kind of disappeared.
Nobody really knows what happened to it.
People have been looking for it forever.
And people are saying that it's going to be revealed, and some people believe it's under the temple mount.
I've stood at the place where they say right behind these stones is where they think the
of Holy of Holies is, which is where the Ark of the Covenant would be.
And there's, there's, it's a labyrinth of, of passageways and everything underneath there, at least it used to be.
But why, why would it, how could it possibly still be there when, you know, the Muslims have been digging underneath the Temple Mount for a long time and taking truckloads of, of dirt and, and antiquities out and just dumping them?
Yeah.
How could it still be there?
I don't know that I have the answer to that question.
I'll just say, my faith would say that if God wanted it to be there, it's still there.
He has a way of watching over things.
But is it prophesied that it will be found and come back, or is this just something that some people think?
Well, the last time you see or you see a mention of the Arch of the Covenant is when Josiah tells the priest to take the Arch of the Covenant and put it in the house that Solomon had prepared for.
And by the way, there are people who read into that, well, the Ark of the Covenant was already in the temple.
What is Josiah saying?
And some people say, well, he was hiding it because he knew the Babylonians were coming.
And that's where some people think it's hidden in somewhere around Jerusalem.
Most people, you know, close to the temple or rebuilt temple motivation, think that it's underneath the temple mouth.
But, you know, it disappears from the record is the point.
And the next time you see anything mentioned, it's in the book of Revelation, actually, after all this other stuff is over with, all the bad stuff.
So, yeah, it is a big mystery.
I will tell you a quick story, 92.
I, another gentleman, along with it, to the office of Rabbi Yehuda Ghits, who at that time was over all of the holy places in Jerusalem.
and to make a very long story short.
Rabbi Getz did not believe that the Ark of the Covenant was in Ethiopia.
He did not believe it was at Mount Nebo.
He felt very confident he knew what the Ark of the Covenant was.
And he did not tell us, but told us that in the early 80s,
Yudite Gets, along with Shlmul Gorn and a lot of the men who were participants
in the re-eufification of Jerusalem in 67,
actually when these excavations begun, they were looking for the Ark of the Covenant
because they believed that it was under the Temple Mount somewhere.
I've even heard reports that Yohita Gets supposedly saw the place where it was kept.
Now, I don't know that to be a fact.
So there are people who do believe it still exists.
There are people that are in Jerusalem who would love for that to be revealed.
And I would suggest that if that were to have it, you think the red heifer is going to call it?
my gosh, oh my gosh.
So.
I mean, I can't imagine how that could be revealed and the whole world not taking real significant note.
Whether you believe that the, you know, what's ever in it or, you know, are the remnants of the Ten Commandments or not, it doesn't matter.
For the Ark of the Covenant to be revealed and come back, that would say a lot about Israel.
about Jerusalem, about the times we live in, I mean, pretty much everything, pretty much everything.
Well, if it still exists, and this is just my opinion, that's all it is, just an opinion.
I tend to believe that if it exists and is going to be revealed, then it's probably going to coincide with the Messianicade, with the Massiazic Age, with the massage return.
And, you know, I think that would probably be more likely.
but that doesn't mean that there aren't people who would be very, very excited to have opportunity to find it, look for it, and if they could bring it out.
And that would cause World War III most likely.
It probably would.
It's weird, Bill.
When you're over there, you don't understand how this little patch of land has caused so much turmoil, really, in the world, why everybody seems to be centered on that patch of land.
land because it's not very big.
And it's almost like it's a pulse.
You can feel it.
That temple mount, there's something about that area.
It's God's throne, and you can feel it.
Exactly.
It's amazing.
Well, and, you know, that, what you just said is even prophetic.
You know, prophecy says that he's going to make Jerusalem a burdensome, burdensome stuff.
Yes.
And it's, and even more so the Temple Mount, because that is where God's presence
kiss the earth. That was, and where the arc of the covenant basically was God's throne on
earth. Right. So, yeah, it's a very contested piece of property, and it will be at the heart
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Well, today is an interesting day here at the studios.
There's a handful of us that are getting a private briefing from the state of Israel on October 7th
and some of the other things that are going on.
And Stu, as courageous as always, is like, I don't want to see that.
I don't want to see that.
I don't.
I don't want to see it.
I don't want to see it.
I know what it is.
I don't need to see it.
Yeah.
Pat and I are going to,
are both going to see it.
And there's several people on the research staff that are going to see it.
I think it's good.
I am concerned about what tomorrow's show feels like, though, after you watch, I mean,
basically mass murder in real life on video.
I feel like that's going to maybe make the Friday show not so fun.
Well, that would be your job.
So just bring the fun as you're, like, crying.
The fun.
No, I don't want it to affect, you know, I probably, well, I know I will.
I'll talk about, you know, whatever I can talk about.
It's going to be hard to just emotionally overcome that.
I'd rather have you watching a Friday have it ruin your weekend.
But that wasn't an option, unfortunately.
When they come, they come.
No, this is the October 7th thing you're talking about.
This is the thing that the Jews say a bunch of people were murdered.
Thank you.
New York Times reporter?
Yeah, because that was reading the New York Times.
They say they're talking about the Columbia guy professor.
So the president also disclosed that the university was investigating Joseph Moss, who used
the word awesome to describe the October 7th attack led by Hamas, that Israel says killed 1,200 people.
Well, that's what Israel does say.
Now, I thought there was mountains of evidence, some of which you're going to see today.
But no, apparently just Israel saying it.
It's Israel saying it.
Yeah.
So, yeah, that go for us.
Also, I'm doing an interview here in a few minutes.
It's a weird day with the people that did the octopus murders.
Oh, this is the Netflix show you're talking about.
Documentary, right?
Yeah.
Okay.
Five-part documentary, really, really interesting.
You never really know what's happening.
And then when you think you know comes the fifth episode.
And you're like, and I just don't know what to take from it.
And it's just fascinating, but it is a deep, deep, deep dive into conspiracy land.
I want you to know, you've been selling this to me, and it's now going on my list.
I've got a TV movies documentary list that I keep that all the stuff that I really want to watch but I never get to.
It's going on the list.
Going on the list.
Yes, you've made it.
You know, that's good.
I've got that watch list too.
You do?
Yeah.
Never get to any of them.
No.
No.
Go through it.
And I'll be like, yeah, when did I put that on?
I don't know if I really well, leave it there.
And never get to it.
You know what's one of the first things on my list is?
Mad Men.
I've never, I think that's on my list, too.
Never watched it.
No.
I got to watch that someday.
Someday I'm going to.
All nine seasons of it.
It's on my list.
It's the first thing on my list.
All right.
Any day now, Glenn, any day now.
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