The Glenn Beck Program - Did China's Human Experiments Make the CIA Fund Dire Wolves? | Guests: Stephen Moore, Ben Lamm & Richard Werner | 4/10/25

Episode Date: April 10, 2025

President Trump announced a 90-day pause on most tariffs while intensifying pressure on China. Economist Stephen Moore joins to discuss how this tariff strategy, allegedly inspired by "The Art of the Deal," could spark a global "Trumpian revolution." Colossal Biosciences CEO Ben Lamm joins to explain why his company brought the dire wolf back from extinction. Glenn and Ben also discuss whether China's potential human bioengineering drives the CIA's investment in Colossal. Economist Richard Werner warns of escalating U.S.-China trade tensions, urging Trump to boost local banks. He also makes the case that the CIA played a role in creating the European Union. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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We're glad you're here. There's a lot going on. Again, every day I say, I'm not going to start with a tariff thing. But I have to start with a tariff thing because something big happened yesterday, and it's good. We'll get to that here in just a second. First, let me tell you about PatriotMobil. Every single month, like clockwork, they take your money. You don't love your phone company.

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We're going to hold off on that. I mean, he didn't exactly say it that way, but I mean, in many ways, he did. He said, we're going to have another 90-day holding period for the tariffs, not all of the tariffs, and I'm going to double down on China because they are the real target of the United States of being a problem. And he said, I'm going to work with every country that has reached out to us. He said, we know who they are. If you didn't reach out to the United States, if you were going to play, you know, war games with us,

well, stand in line. We're not going to necessarily help you out. But everybody else, and he says, you know, majority of the countries are all like, let's deal. He said, so we want to do that. So we're going to take 90 days and deal with the people who have come to the table and said, let's deal. That's a really good thing, I think.

I think that's kind of a. kind of a positive for all of us. So what happened? Is this planned? Was this not planned? I don't think Trump, I mean, Trump is the kind of guy where he lays things out. Well, let me take here.

Let's explain the art of the deal. Okay. If you've read the art of the deal with Donald Trump, you know this. If you haven't read it, let me remind you, what is his negotiation playbook? book. It's start with an extreme position, then create leverage because you're so unpredictable,

use a bold promise to shape the perception, never back down publicly when you're compromising behind closed doors. That's the art of the deal. It's less about policy details and more about winning through psychology, persistence, showmanship, tactics that he's applied from real estate to politics for decades. And people miss it because they're focusing on the noise, not the pattern. He's the ultimate Overton window guy. Did you say, Stu? Yeah.

That's fair. Generally, yeah. It's like in the Middle East, you know, hey, you know what? I'm going to build a big beautiful resort there in Gaza. No one was saying that. What did he do? He moved the Overton window so far over. He completely changes the conversation.

And much of that is just, it's embarrassing that the media falls for it every time. It really is. But you know what? He wrote a book about how he negotiates. Yep. And nobody pays attention. Yes, I read it when I was like 12. Yeah.

As the biggest nerd in the world. Right. You know, and when you look at what he did with China yesterday, he's like, and any other, any other country that was hitting back, what is the first thing you knew before he even came down the escalator, but a. especially after he came down the escalator. Everybody who stood against him, what is the first thing you learned on both the Republican side, Democratic side? What's the first thing you learn about punching Donald Trump? He doesn't like it and he'll punch back. He punches back twice as hard.

Yes. Right? So when you're negotiating with Donald Trump, you shouldn't punch him because his style is to punch back. twice as hard, China, I'm talking to you. Bad idea. Bad idea. I mean, you know, look, they are going to, I mean, it's a Chinese Communist Party. They literally lived through the Mao era and killed 60 million of their own people to hold a line.

I know, I know. And you know what? I don't have a problem if those are the people were pissing off in the world. I know. I'm fine with that. And of course, I think both of us would have been much more on the bandwagon with this generalized policy. if this is what we did from the beginning, right? If we did a strong move on China, that would have been a lot.

Even that's a lot. We get a lot. What is it? 9% of our international trade comes from them. That's already a big move. So if it was just that, I think it would have been easier to swallow for the markets and easier to swallow for people who, you know, generally speaking, don't love this policy. So was it Besson yesterday that said, this is Donald Trump's plan from the beginning?

And he comes out and he's like, no, everybody was freaking out. Yes, Trump himself said it wasn't the plan. I can't believe every single person I talked to yesterday. Like, oh, this is part of the plan. Thank you for noticing that. Trump himself said it wasn't the plan. Exactly right. Exactly right.

It's a smart thing to do for a president to adjust to circumstances. Yes. Right? Like that's what you hope someone is going to do. Exactly. You want someone to take it seriously. And like he can, you know, it's always been part of the plan to take on China very directly and very strongly.

He has done that. I don't think he needed to do this other stuff to do that. But if that's where this lands, that is a policy that most even people who believe in the strongest version of free trade, you can imagine, are fine with taking on China, who absolutely is doing things that are against that concept. And here's the thing that Americans don't understand. Americans have for 85 years, are used to a president when dealing with the rest of the world to walk. in with carrots. Yes. I want to show you all these carrots.

Look at all these carrots you can eat. Would you like some carrots? Let me give you a couple of carrots, okay? Donald Trump knows that because we always walk in with pockets full of carrots, everybody wants the carrots and know we're suckers. We're like, you know, we're like, you know, grandpa's with those butterscotch candies, you know, just ask grandpa, he'll give you one. Okay.

That's the way we behave. It's all carrots all the time. Yeah. So we expect our president to do that. When you're changing the world, you have to show the world, no, I'm dead serious. I'm absolutely dead serious. You have to mean what you say and say what you mean. This is negotiation 101.

Say what you mean, mean what you say, because some people just can't break off enough barnacles to go, well, he means that. Then everybody thinks, I was just talking to, who was that? I was talking to yesterday, I think. I was talking to somebody and they said, you know, I was negotiating a deal. And after I negotiated this deal, these people came to me and said, you really, I mean, you really did a great job on that deal, huh? And he was like, well, what do you mean? Well, I mean, the way you played them?

And he's like, I wasn't playing them. I just said, this is the way it's going to be. Yeah. And they might have thought I was playing a game. but I was just telling him this is, you know, I learned this really early. Don't make threats. Make promises. You've told me that for 20-something years.

Right. Make promises. It's the best possible advice you can have in a negotiation. Exactly right. Because even if they don't come to whatever you're, you might be looking for or hoping for, you've already made the decision that the other thing is okay and you're totally comfortable with it. So you don't come in and say, oh, well, I'm not going to, if you don't give me this, I'm not going to do this when you don't want to do that other thing. Right.

You have to be comfortable with that other thing before you come with that promise. Because they may say, they may honestly come to the decision, well, I don't want that at that price. Okay. And then you can't go back and go, okay, well, I didn't mean it. Right. No. And you have to be comfortable with that. And sometimes, you know, in the president's case, talking sticks and carrots, when you are trying to change the entire world and the world is used to the president walking in with some, you know,

butterscotch candy for everybody and a pocket full of carrots, you got to walk in and go, nope, none of this, none of this. And they'll say they're bluffing. No, I'm not. Yeah, he is. No, no, I'm not. I'm telling you right now, you want tariffs, I'll show you tariffs. We're to start with 10%. Okay. I just want to get everybody used to 10% because, uh, you don't negotiate now. It's going to get really ugly. And you know what? I love tariffs. I love. my favorite word in the whole world. I love tariffs. He's not bluffing.

He means that. Yeah, he does. He loves tariffs. So tariffs, you could argue back and forth. Well, he'll never do it because it's really bad for America. Blah, blah, blah. No, no, he doesn't think so. He's not bluffing.

And so when the rest of the world goes, well, he's just playing a game. No, Donald Trump doesn't play that game. He doesn't play that game. And so what's happening now is he's put the world on notice, oh yeah, I'm just crazy enough to do the damn thing. You don't think it works? I still think it works. So you want to go back there?

Go ahead. Let's go back there because I don't mind. And it is a very, very risky game, but he's not playing one. The people who are playing the game are the people that are on the other side of the table thinking he's playing a game. The only ones that I don't think are playing a game is China. The United States and China, I think, are both saying the truth. Europe, I mean, you saw, because they didn't, what's funny about this, they did respond. And then they've now backed down as well.

They said, okay, you're going to pause for 90 days. We'll pause for 90 days. Right. And Trump did not do to Europe what he's doing to China, which I think sends a pretty clear message that, like, what he's really focused on here is China. Yeah. I still don't fully understand the goal of all this. Because what you're saying is, oh, well, he'll get them to back down and we'll come make a deal. Well, what's the deal we're looking for?

Is the deal we're looking for to return manufacturing jobs or to get lower tariff rates and better, easier trade? I think, honestly, he wants tariffs to return jobs to America, okay? Okay. Which is going to take a very long time. Would take more time than he has in office. Certainly. And also has not been a, it doesn't have a good track record of success, that policy, generally. But he is bringing jobs back to America. They are investing back in America, but not necessarily because of the last couple of weeks. Right, right. But because of the things that he has said, I'm going to do this.

He's doing a lot of things that are really good for business and then they're not getting the headlines right now. So he is, he is wanting the jobs to come back. But in the end, Donald Trump is press. In the end, he might want what he wants, but he's not going to let that stand in the way of, that's a good deal. That's the best deal I could get for America. I'm taking that deal. He just wants the best deal he can get. And the way he does, I mean, look at his pattern. I don't understand how everybody freaks out all the time.

And you know what, Stu, I said to you yesterday, I'm kind of freaked out because I'm not freaked out. Right. But maybe I'm not freaked out because look how it's turning out. I told you at the beginning of the weekend last week, the guy knows his entire presidency hangs in the balance if this goes down the crapper. And everybody thinks, he'll just flush it down the crapper. He's not suicidal. Yeah, I don't think he'll do that.

Right, he won't. Trust this. Anybody who doesn't like Donald Trump, you will tell me all the time. It's the biggest ego of all time. He's out of control ego. Okay. Then use that as your hope. He's not going to go down as the worst president that destroyed the economy and made us into a third world country.

He won't do it. Just because of his ego, he's like, I'm not going to go down as that. Who would want to go down with that? But if you don't like him because of his ego, use that as your hope. Because that, I think, is what happened yesterday. Not his ego. He just knew he's why. watching all the trend lines and going, this is not going to work out well if I continue to play this this way for very much longer.

So let's change tactics, which is something you want your company or your CEO or your president to do. Don't go into it blindly. You go in and say, watch all the trend lines here. If it starts going the other way, we need to pivot as soon as we can. That was another reason to not panic because this was not something that couldn't be reversed. not the housing crisis, right? Like, oh my gosh, everything's happening. That's terrible. How do we get, how do we reverse this? The reversal was obvious, right? Even when tweets came out with people, with a rumor of a 90-day pause, the market's turned around. Correct. Everyone knows exactly why

all of this happened, right? Look at what happened yesterday. Wasn't it the best day in the stock market? Since 2008. It's 2008. Now, you might not remember 2008 all that positively. These big ups and downs in a day are not necessarily good things to have. Correct. But it is a fundamental problem. Right. This is not. This is not. This is, I can turn this valve off at any time. Exactly. And I don't think he's going to sink his own, his whole presidency. No, of course he's not. Panic, first of all, does you no good. You can't control it. You know, this is not under your control. I mean, you know, to the extent of, you know, I want to buying the dip with stocks. Good for you. You know, and that's good for you. I almost said that. You did say that. I almost said that yesterday.

You know, now's the time to buy. Yeah. And as it turned out, yes, it was. Yeah. And then, you know, or not get out in the first place. I'll surely sell it at the wrong time and still lose money. Yeah. But, but the point is that there's no, there's no reason.

We're not in that mode right now. Donald Trump is doing a lot of things that are helping the economy that I think so far, you know, people are not focusing on. He has a lot more planned that will help the economy. As you know, I think these tariffs are not positive for our economy. Right. But if what we're doing is a focused, strategy on one country that is blatantly our adversary, that is blatantly ripping us off over and over again, that is something that I, that is, I don't even think particularly controversial.

I think a lot of people on the left want that to happen. I know a lot of people on the right want it to happen. So that is an approach that if that's where this lands, I don't think it's going to be the story of his presidency. All right, more in just a second. I'm going to talk to about Rob Green's. And actually, I want to just talk to you about Uno and give you an update. Tanya and I decided just the other day that we're going to set Uno free from his pain and everything else this weekend. So I appreciate, you know, I run into people all the time and they always ask me about how Uno is or they talk about Uno. And, you know, our dogs are part of our family, just like your dogs are part of your family.

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You know, the one thing that people don't understand, and there is a great story, and if I have time, I can get into a little bit of it, but it's on Blaze, the Blaze.com. It's by Orrin McIntyre, and it's called the President's Plan to Restore American Manufacturing, nostalgia, and Trump wants America to be ready. Okay, find it to the blaze.com, but here's what he goes into.

He talks about the walkie-talkies that Israel disrupted in the supply line. They went in. They found a way into the supply line, put bombs in those walkie-talkies and those beepers, and then they were delivered, and nobody in the supply chain knew that Israel had done that, and it blew up. And it really wasn't good. You know, we are in a house of cards. at what happened with China with COVID.

We realize we don't make masks. We don't have, wait, we don't have ventilator. We don't, what? And we didn't make anything. That's a problem. So Donald Trump is saying, enough is enough here. We have to bring manufacturing back to the country. And he talks about Leonard Reed's SAI pencil, you know, the one that shows how the whole globe, it takes a whole globe.

and capitalism to make a pencil and it's true. But he's also saying you cannot let the entire world just for security reasons. You can no longer let the entire world make everything. You have to have some things that you can make yourself in case of an emergency. And medicine is one of those things. And that's one of the reasons why we've got to get off the teat of China. They have most of the world's reserves because they're, just going around the country and just getting it all.

The rare earth minerals, it's why we must get our own rare earth minerals, and we need people like Greenland to let us buy their rare earth minerals. Greenland's not making chips, we are. And I want you to read this article because it shows the method and not the madness of what we're really trying to do, what Donald Trump is trying to do, and must do to write a new chapter of America. This is Glenn Beck. Must be present in certain states. Visit prize picks.com for restrictions and details. Must be president in certain states. You must be president in certain states. Springtime is here and so is

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The president's tariff pause. What does he think? I know he was involved in the decision. I'm pretty sure he was involved. decision yesterday. The one, the only good friend of the program, Stephen Moore, the founder of the committee to unleash prosperity. Boy, it has been a, it's been a scary few days, Stephen.

The president, you know, he is a great negotiator because he just doesn't blink. Some people will say he blinked yesterday. I think he just, you know, he's smart. He's not suicidal. He's just reevaluating things. And doing what, Stephen? Well, good morning, Glenn. You know, look, Trump, one thing I've learned from Donald Trump,

having worked with him for the last eight years or so up and on, as he oftentimes, the guy is crazy like a fox. Yeah, it really is. And so sometimes these two or three moves down the chessboard ahead of everybody else. And so I don't know if calling this a retreat is the right way to describe it. No, I don't think so, but you'll hear. Oh, the media is saying that.

Yeah, the media is saying that. And what I'm saying is, and maybe it is a retreat, but maybe this was part of the plan all along. I mean, in terms of, you know, trying to get these countries to come to the table and negotiate. And look, when you know me, I'm more of a free trade guy than Trump is, and I'm not a big fan of terrorists. But if he can pull this off, and this would be a maestro if he could do it, then all of a sudden, you get fair and for, you're breaking up basically agreed to play into level playing field and so um and the other thing that trump is doing and i think this is masterful and i agree with them wholeheartedly on this look there is one major villain in the world today and that is china and you know you've

been on the story a long time glad as long as i've known you and china is is in my opinion i don't know if you agree with me on this they are like japan circa 1937 oh yeah they really Big time. Big time. Japan told us what they were going to do in like 1937. Exactly. They told us. China is now too. The same thing.

Yes. Yes. And we're not listening. Right. And so, you know, and what Trump is basically doing is, and this is a big moment for the, you know, the world economy and for world peace, Trump is saying to these other countries in the world, you've got to make a choice. Are you with us or are you with China?

And I don't even know. These Europeans are so stupid. You know, they were saying a couple weeks ago, maybe we'll just trade with China and stop trading with the United States. Now, that would be a catastrophically bad decision. But the whole idea here, as I see it, maybe I have, you know, I'm not in Donald Trump's mind, so sometimes he sees it way beyond what I do.

But I think what he wants to do is basically deep-old. You're breaking up. Stephen. You're there? What did you just say? You hear me? Yeah, I can hear you now. What did you just say?

Okay, sorry. I was saying that I think he wants to decouple. This is Trump's brand plan. He wants to decouple the world economy. Yes, from China. You got to get into another room or another state or have you tried Patriot Mobile. I will say we are tariffing Stephen's phone call today. So that could be the cause of this.

Are you on Huawei? Sorry, I lost you there again. We have a bad connection, but I can hear you now. So he wants the world to decouple from China. But I think also at the same time, he wants the world to, the Western world, to decouple from this idea of a managed decline. Right. You know, and he's trying to. And I think this is, I think this is hopefully working with the rest of the world.

he needs to break all the barnacles off that have just been, you know, on the hull of this ship forever now, saying, oh, well, this is the way it's going to be. He's scraping all those barnacles off and saying, no, it's not going to be that way anymore. So you need to make a decision. You're either going to manage your own decline and throw in with China or you're going to go a new direction that really only he and Malay and a few others are laying out. You know, it's so funny you should mention that because do you know who the two most popular politicians in the world are today? Malay and Donald Trump? Oh, I think the two populist, pro-people, pro-free enterprise, anti-big government leaders. And I've been predicting this. I think I said this on your show a few weeks ago, and I maintain this. I think you're going to see a Trumpian revolution all over the world. I do, too.

I mean, these European leaders, they have. so out of touch with their voters. I mean, remember the very start of the Trump Revolution was when Britain was shocked that all of the, that a majority of their people wanted out of the European Union. And they said, we're not going to have these bureaucrats in Brussels. Tell us how we live our lives and what tea kettles we can use in our kitchen. And so these arrogant, out of touch, self-righteous politicians are going to be thrown out of office for pro people and pro-working, politicians and that so try i think trump has started a world revolution here i really do yeah i think maloney is in that category she's just uh i think a little softer um but i think she could be in that

uh you know i don't know about marine lepenn now that now that they've thrown her out i mean that that bogus um bogus charges it just seems that they did to her exactly what the left tried to do to don't trump correct bogus lawsuits correct and those countries like France that are doing that, I think are going to be in real, real trouble. You know, it was interesting to me that the Prime Minister of England came out, Starmer, who is absolutely a W-E-F clone.

Oh, he's horrible. He's horrible. And he came out and said like, the age of globalization is over. You can't play this game. You can't say that and then be part of globalization. It's going to end really badly for him. Do you agree or disagree? Yeah, yeah.

I think the Britain, is really in a bad shape right now, and they need to find a Trump candidate, and maybe it's you know, who's the one who, I'm blanking out of his name, the guy who led us, had led Britain out of the, you know, our friend, have an senior moment here. Anyway, I do think that's, Nigel Farage. Nigel, yeah, exactly. And I'm in friends with Nigel, I couldn't remember. I know.

Anyway, I think he could be the next leader of Britain. And so I don't know which way the Europeans are going to go, frankly. I mean, I think they're totally confused with their leadership in these countries. And by the way, I've got to tell you, Glenn, I've been doing over the last month almost every day, like BBC and all these European stations and some of the Asian stations. And they're so indignant. And I'm like, Trump is causing a trade warrior. What is it? What is wrong with this guy?

Blah, blah, blah. And I just very commonly say, well, listen. your terrorists in Britain or Germany or, you know, Japan, whatever country it is, you're terrorists of three or four times higher than ours. So you're saying Trump is starting a trade war. We're saying you already started the trade war. How can you self-rously say, how dare Trump raises terrorists? Where are terrorists out of three or four times?

You know what? They never even answer the question. Well, because you just move out. Here's the thing. They expect that to be the norm because we rebuilt. I mean, the reason why we accepted these things early. on was because we didn't want to, we wanted to make sure the Germans, Germans not having jobs is a very bad idea. We wanted Germans to be able to rebuild their factories and Mercedes-Benz and everything

else. So we had those and now they just expect that to be the norm. And Donald Trump is like, it was the norm. It can no longer be the norm. And you know what? So you're exactly right about that, Glenn, and I would just add something. One of the things we've learned on this is that, call is no longer being recorded. Sorry. One of the things we've learned from... Are you calling from a prison? What you were just describing,

that American relationship with like rebuilding Europe, it's like the welfare state, you know, where people become a dependent on a welfare state, and Europe is dependent on the welfare that we give them. And that's why one of the first things Trump did that I thought was so fantastic is that,

you know, if you're not paying your NATO dues, were out. And again, they bitched and they moaned and they complain. But guess what? They played their notice. I know. I mean, I just, the indignation and the self-righteousness and the sense of entitlement of these countries, it drives me absolutely nuts. So let me ask you, the stock market is down again. Down again. Yeah. Yeah. Why? It's actually Turvey for a while. Well, that's a good question. Why? I don't know. I mean, you know, who knows why? It was way up. Yesterday, Dow Jones on a point per point basis was up more than any time, any day in American history. But, look, it's going to be up and down, up and down until this reset happens.

And so it's going to be topsy-turvy, I think, for the next several months. So get, you know, get ready for that, folks. But at the end of the day, I think Trump will prevail. I think we're going to have a much secure economy. And these countries are going to stop treating us like we're, Daddy War bucks. So because we're out of, we're not, seemingly never out of war, but we are out of bucks. There you go.

Stephen, yesterday I sent you something about the basis trade, and this is something that's so in the weeds for most people. But what's happening to the hedge funds and our, you know, bonds, and that looked really frightening. Is that going to stop? because that was something that they were doing before. It might have been, you know, blown over with a feather of Trump. But this is something that's been going on and there are deep, deep cracks in it. How is that? How's that going?

Well, yeah, so just for background, what happened starting a few days ago is that foreigners started to sell their U.S. bonds. And that happened in Japan. and then Russia was selling some of their bonds, China was selling their bonds, and the interest rate on those bonds. When people sell bonds, that means you have to pay more interest to get people to buy them. Right. And so the interest rate went from like three and a half to four and a half. Not exactly, but almost up a full percentage point.

And so that's bad for America because that means, you know, we owe $35 trillion, and that turns over. And that means, you know, when those bonds come due, then we have to issue new bonds of the higher interest rate. And as you know, you've reported on this many times. You know, I think interest expenses are like the second highest expenditure on our federal budget. So, you know, but, you know, if you're not going to invest in, U.S. bonds are still the safest in the world. By far, there's not no other, you know, are you going to buy Russian bonds? You're going to buy European bonds? So I'm not too concerned about it.

I think that, I think that, but, you know, China has several trillion. dollars of our bonds and this is why we having such an enormous deficit as a problem and you know because then we have to borrow money from you know from people we don't want to have to borrow money from right are they I mean you know they're serious we just said Trump is serious on China trying to jump serious on us are they able to dump our bonds survive are they able to really fight this war out I mean, they're not.

So this is the key insight that Donald Trump has made, which is so right on the mark, that our economy is still substantially bigger than China. So, in fact, our stock market is five times higher than China. So they're not even close with respect to the net worth of their companies. I mean, you just take the seven, the magnificent seven, they have more value than every company in China. So we have a huge lead. on them and the fact is that now look they've been catching up no question and look i want to give you guys your listeners a little history lesson what happened in

china and it's a first of all mow was the greatest villain whoever lived probably in the history of mankind he murdered a hundred million people of his own people and yet he's still on the currency they still have pictures of mao that would be like you know us putting benedict don't know that our currency yeah and so uh so when then you had uh the the free market revolution that happened in the early 1980s, which was amazing. It shows what they went from communist overnight to free markets and their economy exploded. Yes. Exploded for about 20 years. Then we decided to let them into the World Trade Organization because they were on the road to freedom. And then President Gee comes in and he goes back to communism. That's, I mean, this is

an oversimplification, but not much of one. So we're not dealing with a free enterprise. We're we're dealing with a very dangerous country right now. And Xi has said this. In 20 years, he said we want China to take over the world. Yes. And we were just sitting by and letting that happen, and Trump finally said, no, that isn't going to happen. Now, look, we have benefited over the last 30 years

from being able to get cheap things from China, but their economy is completely dependent on having access to America's $20 trillion dollar consumer market. If Trump says you don't have access to that anymore, they go through a great depression that makes what happened in the United States in the 1930s look like a picnic. And that's the leverage that Trump is using with China. He's saying that you either start behaving yourself or we're going to throw you into the worst depression you ever had. Now, it will hurt us, but it's not going to hurt us nearly as much as it's going to hurt them.

So that's where we're at right now. It'll hurt the people that shop at Walmart hardest. Right. You know, the bottom of the society, you know, the ones that are just scraping by all the time, they're the ones that are going to be hit the hardest here in America. But it is something where we're just going to have to help our neighbors more, not expect the government to do it, but help our neighbors more because it is crucial that we just, we decouple the world and ourselves from China as much as we can. So can I, I know we're going to make one other quick point. We have to have a movement, you and I, called Sell China. And what I mean by that is every one of us as citizens of this great country, just make a point of it.

Just stop buying things from China. You might have to pay $3 more for a pair of shoes. You may have to pay $3, $4 more for the T-shirt. Do it. If you love your country, stop buying China. Yep. Thank you so much. Appreciate it.

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First, I have to show this picture of George R.R. Martin with the dire wolf. That is, I mean, that's brilliant. It's really brilliant. I mean, he, George R. Martin and Game of Thrones, you know, made Dyer Wolf's popular in pop culture. Many people think they're a myth. But, you know, they were an American wolf. They were the largest, strongest American wolf. And, you know, we got challenged.

You know, we're working on the mammoth in Tasman. tiger and the dodo, but we got challenged by some of our indigenous partners and the government and a few others saying, why aren't you working first on an American species? Like, why are you not prioritizing that? So we got a lot of pressure and feedback. And then when we got close to it, we're like, well, if we don't bring George R. Martin in, we're kind of mean because he's the guy that made him the most popular. You know, it kills me. Everybody you saw, I mean, I did the same thing. I saw the video of the, you know, the wolves howling and stuff as little babies. And I'm like, Oh, that's so cute.

They're an apex predator. They are. Been gone for now 10,000 years. Why bring them back? So Colossal is a de-extinction and species preservation company, right? And so we're going to lose up to 50% of biodiversity now in 2050. And so we need new tools in the fight, right? We think it's better to have a de-extinction toolkit than not need it than, you know,

not have the extinction toolkit. They need it. And so we're working on all these different species. and we started having meetings with MHA Nation, one of the largest tribal groups here in the United States, and they started giving us the feedback that, you know, we need to do more for wolf conservation, not the dinosaurs going on with wolf conservation.

It would be amazing if we could work on something like the Great Wolf. So then they started telling us that from their oral traditions, they believe that the Great Wolf was the Dyer Wolf. And I kind of sat with you. I was like, I had a game of their own wolf. And so we had these great conversations. And then a few months later, we were in North Carolina and we learned that the most endangered wolf in the world is the

American wolf. The Red Wolf, there's only 15 left. And so like when you think about Americana, you think about the bison and you think about the bald eagle and you think about wolves, it would be a travesty to lose these. And it's like, they've been on the endangered. But wait, wait, wait, wait. I mean, I live in for half the year in a place that has mountain lions and wolves. they're both very, very important to have,

but they're all so spooky as hell. And you're not talking about, I mean, you're not talking about preserving that species. You just introduced a species that's been gone for 10,000 years. Yeah, we have. And they are on a secure, expansive ecological preserve in the north. And if they ever go back into the wild,

it will be in collaboration with the government as well as some of the tribes. and they would go back on secure private lands. They aren't to be how rewilding dire wolves. I mean, you're not going to be walking down the street worried about dire wolves. Yeah. Well, I just know last time the government got involved with wolves, it was at Yellowstone, and that didn't work out well for anybody. No, rewilding, rewilding works as long as it's done thoughtfully and managed.

And the problem is if sometimes people just get so overzealous on certain sides of the table that they just go out and, you know, muck with nature. It really needs to be studied. It really needs to be managed. It needs to be thoughtfully taken out. But a lot of times people don't realize that, and they just get overzealous, right? And they politicize it. At the end of the day, losing biodiversity, it should be a bipartisan issue.

And we really need to save these animals. And so by doing what we're doing, though, Glenn, we're actually building technologies to save animals. And so we were actually able to clone, no one's talking about this, which is crazy. we were actually able to clone four red wolves with more genetic diversity than the existing 15 that are still left in the wild. That's a 25% bump in genetic diversity that has been gone, you know, for 10s, you know, for, you know, over a decade. Okay. So, I mean, you describe your company. I'm sorry.

I love the technology. I love what you're doing. I love the way you think. No, no, no. It's also terrifying. We've talked a lot about it, right? Okay, yeah, I know. We, and on our last time we talked to, you asked about the CIA because Incutel is an investor,

but, you know, we fall into a category called synthetic biology, right? So being able to use AI and software as well as being able to edit and rewrite genomes is really critical technology. It's as important as technology as space technologies and other defense-related technologies, and our adversaries are advancing these technologies. Right. And we're trying. So let me, because I, this is like every. everything now, especially with AI and any of this, you know, CRISPR, all of this technology,

you can't stop it. You can't put it back in the bottle. Correct. Because others are doing it. What China is doing with this on trying to breed smarter humans, stronger humans, you know, fighters. I mean, it's the stuff of Nazi movies. That's what they've, that's actually what they've said publicly. So everything you're saying is what they've said publicly.

They said that the Beijing Genomics Institute is sequencing as many humans as possible. They use COVID as this ruse to, like, pull in as many samples as possible sequencing them. And then they said, we're looking for the genes that make the smartest people. And we are going to engineer people. I mean, that's not even like crazy, concerned, you know, conspiracy. They have said that out loud. So what did they not set out loud? Right.

Any idea what they haven't said out loud? Well, I mean, if you think about what colossal is trying to do, right, is we're trying to at least do it. We don't do anything with humans. So we do, even though we work with the federal government, we do have this kind of moratorium that we are not working on humans, only on animals. We won't even work on, you know, non-human primates. So we're only working on the species that are working, but we are advancing these technologies that have applications to humans, right? And, you know, we are understanding from like a 72,000-year-old skull what made a dire wolf bigger and stronger and had a bigger jaw and stronger muscles and denser bones.

we can now understand that with our technologies and engineer that into its closest living relative being the gray wall. And so think about that same type of data apply to humans, right? I think that you can look at it as, you know, adversarial countries can advance these technologies in a way where they can look at how can we enhance humans. And so for us, I think we as an American company that works very, very closely with the federal government, the Secretary of Interior just endorsed our work and we work very closely with the Department of Interior.

It's not necessarily an endorsement that my audience likes. You should de-emphasize that with my audience because that's not a good thing. It's not what anyone likes. It's just about transparent. All right. Yeah, good for you. Good for you. Like, I think it's important for us to always be, you know, Colossos, we're pretty bipartisan.

We work with both sides. But I do think it's important to be transparent when things happen. And I think that us as America has to lead in synthetic biology. And Colossel is one of the most advanced synthetic biology. So what is the, difference between directed evolution and playing God? It's a great question. You asked you this last time, right?

I think that we as humans play God quite a bit, right? And so I'll look at it from an ecosystem's perspective. When we overfish the ocean or we cut down too much of the rainforest, we are playing God on some level when we eradicate species. But now we have these tools and technologies that we can biobank species, protect them, and even bring them back, right? And I think this is going to be really helpful for how we balance progress as well as how we balance, you know, protection. And I think that we need these tools more now than ever because we could lose up to 50% of biodiversity all life on Earth between now and 2050.

That's the current trend line. So, you know, AI is dangerous. It's glorious and horrifying at the same time. It just depends on, you know, who's using it and how that thing goes. And it's why Elon Musk says we have to have, we have to have the singularity as defined as human computer interface. So we merge as one. That's not, that's something of sci-fi movies. Do you believe that the genetic editing tech that you are helping to design is going to be transferred to humans?

Is there a time that you think, oh, well, that probably has to? I think that we will be able to look. So one of the biggest things that colossal works on is what's called multiplex editing, being able to edit multiple parts of the genome at the exact same time, right? And so that's part of what we really, really need to continue to advance, because most of these states, specifically ones that drive, you know, predispositions to cancer and Alzheimer's and others, are multigenic in nature, right?

And so for us, I think it's very, very important to advance those technologies so that you've probably heard about sickle cell anemia where there's CRISPR tools and technologies that are being used to do a single knockout. But most genes, or most of these states, are multigenic in nature. So you have to be able to edit multiple parts of the genome.

So I do think that a lot of our technologies will be beneficial long term to helping cure inherited disease States in humans, and I think that's a good thing. How much of this is AI driven? I'd say 30% of our work, what wouldn't be possible without AI? And imagine that number is growing exponentially. I mean, I know our...

Exponentially, exponentially. You know, you named the dire wolves Romulus and Remus, and I'm not a mythology expert, but I do know abandoned and birth, raised by Wolf, founded Rome, yada, yada, but didn't Romulus also kill Remus? Yeah, we, Romulus loves Remus and, Romus is the bigger one, but they do love each other pretty well.

So we're hoping that not all of history will repeat itself, right? Including the fall of Rome. We're pretty, we're pretty bullish. That'll work out better this round. Okay, good, good. So am I, I guess.

I mean, I guess we're rooting for that. All of us are together on that one. That's a great goal to have. We're all, we're all rooting for the non-fall of Rome. What is the, what's the next thing that you can talk about that you're going to tell the world about someday? Yeah. So, I mean, we're making a lot of progress. I think we're, I think we're on the very cusp of a pretty big breakthrough for the Dodo project, right?

So I'm talking about balance, going from Dyerwolves and Dotos. We're, you know, we made some updates on the Tasmania Tiger and other Apex Predators that we announced last late last year. Can we slow down on the Apex Predators? Just a little bit. They're very important. I mean, well, elephants kill more people than wolves.

No, I know. There's only been five wolf confirmed attacks in the last 100 years. You have a higher probability of getting struck by lightning by getting, while getting eaten by a shark than getting attacked by wolves. No, I know. Have you ever been in the wild and a wolf?

In quite a bit of the wild, yeah. With a wolf by yourself, you know, a wolf walks up. Yeah. Terrifying. Well, I've actually never been,

I've been very close to wolves in certain ecological preserves. Yeah, no, I've been on my own land and a wolf walks out from the bushes and you're like, oh, dear God, because they are spooky. It's definitely, they, it's definitely spooky, right? I'm not sure of mountain lions and wolves personally, but I saw a mountain line once. So the scariest thing I ever saw was I was actually in Cape Tribulation in Australia once, and a cassowary, a bird, walked out. And that thing's like a living velociraptor.

And it was just me. I was by myself. And I was like, I'm going to die because they're very aggressive. They're very hard to even see them. But yeah, I mean, look, living with nature is what we got, right? We've got to figure out how we do that. But our next species that will probably have some big updates on is the Dodo. We're really close to a fundamental step in the Dodo resurrection.

We don't have dodoes. We won't for a long time. But I do think that we are pretty close to a fundamental step that we'll be able to know. One last thing. You say that, you know, you are trying to help species survive because we're going to lose all these species. Why are you bringing back things like the dire wolf that humans didn't have anything to do with the extinction? Why are you bringing those back? So anthropologic effects, if you look at kind of the rise, if you look at kind of the rapid, younger, driest cooling period,

also compared globally, not just in America, of the rise of anthropologic effects, early humans did drive a lot of the extinction of megafauna here in the United States as well as globally. I do think that there's a lot of data that's starting to suggest some of the effects of the younger dryest cooling period. That was a rapid period that may have had meteorological effects

that affected it, right? And so for us, we want to build these, We want to use these technologies to bring back these species so that we can study them so that we can look to rewild them if it makes sense and also pair them to build technologies for wolves, right, in the case of the Dyer Wolf or Asian Elephants in the case of the mammoth. And one of the things that no one really talks about is every single week, we get dozens of letters from parents and kids and pictures of little woolly mammoths and Dodo, hopefully now dire wolves.

And people are telling us and teachers are telling us that their kids, are excited about science now, right? And people are getting more and more excited about science. And so if you ask a teacher or a parent about colossal, many of them know, more teachers and parents know because their kids are telling them in the classroom. And I think we need science now more than ever. And I think getting kids excited about science through Deextinction while also helping conservation is a really good thing. Ben, there is no better spokesperson for colossal than you. Colossal co-founder and CEO, Ben Lamb. Thanks, Ben, for being on. I appreciate it. God bless you. You're going to kick out of that guy. I do. I love it. I just love it. It's crazy, but God bless him.

All right, past few days. It's been, I don't know, a little wild to say the least. We've seen the stock market going up and down. We saw the reintroduction of Direwolves. So where are we at today? Oh, I don't know. I don't know. I will tell you that what happened yesterday with Trump's saying, okay, we're pulling back on some of the tariffs. We're doubling down on China. I think that's good. I think he has a vision for the country. And I think yesterday shows he knows that, you know, we can't put ourselves out of business.

We, you know, he's not a bad man. And that's what I think a lot of our friends might be saying about it. He's crazy. He's going to destroy South. No, he knows. Look at what he's doing. He's walking a tightrope. We all are.

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He's the guy on television like, and you're like, gosh, yeah, that makes some sense. Maybe we should do that. And then, of course, it ends up in Jurassic Park or something similar. I mean, I wanted to say to when we ran out of time, if you decided to build an amusement park on an island, let me know. Let me know. That's great. T wrote in, wait, I thought natural selection and evolution. was a way of nature that the experts say if a species doesn't survive, then I guess

it wasn't supposed to be. Interesting. Elizabeth said, have them explain the horrible mistakes they've made in the cloning process and what happens to those poor animals. Ooh, good question. Wish I would have that. Kimberly, interesting perspective.

Totally disagree, but I like hearing the conversation. Betty, I'm totally against what lamb is doing. It's totally against God. Yeah, maybe. Che? You don't think that's really cool. Did Ben Lamb bring him back to? No, we don't need another Che Guevara.

This is a nightmare of every dystopian nightmare movie. Amen to that one, Jay. First thing I've ever agreed with Che on. You can go to blazTV.com slash Glenn. Be a part of the conversation during the show. We love to see your comments. BlazTV.com slash Glenn get $30 off right now. Okay.

There is a different, like his point on, well, we've also made a lot of these animals go extinct and that's playing God too is a good point. It's a great spokesperson point. But also I... Let's work on the buffalo, the bison. But we do that. The dodo is, it's, all right. Dodo fine. What's the dodo gonna do? I'm okay. I don't know.

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Subscribe now. You'll get $30 off your annual subscription to Blaze TV. All righty then. Welcome to the program. Last night, I did an episode on Glenn TV about something called Epic. Epic is a proposed Islamic community. that is rather large, just outside of Dallas in the Plano area. And it was started by a Muslim leader who said this in 2001.

I want you to listen carefully. 2001, here is the guy who's now trying to start a community, a Muslim community here in the Dallas area. Listen to what he said. It is not my right to legislate or your right to legislate. No Supreme Court, no system of government, no democracy where they vote. can you believe it a group of people coming together and voting and the majority vote will then

be the law of the land? What gives you the right to prohibit something or allow something? Who gave you this right? Are you creators? Are you all knowledgeable? Do you understand the repercussions, the implications of the laws which you're going to pass? A fa chukma al Jahiliyaeufo.

Do they wish to follow the laws of ignorance? Verily, Allah is our judge. He knows what's best for us. Okay, cool if that's why you want to live your life. Not cool if you want to run a community. Now, he has come out and said, and I want to make this very clear, that's the old me. Dunn't make me feel better. I don't know why.

Dunn't make me feel better. But that's the old him. He says he no longer believes in that. Okay. Now, this is, this epic project is being done by developer. here in Texas. These are not the developers of Epic, but these are Muslim developers

talking about developments just like this. I want you to listen to what they say. The way, what we're doing, brother, like you cannot make it exclusive, like non-Muslims is not allowed. What we're doing, there's something called association fee. I don't know what it's called in Dubai.

Like your maintenance fee that you pay your leave, to cutting the service fee, to cut the grass, to remove the snow and whatnot. So that service fee will put there. 75% of the service fee you're paying goes to the masjid. So automatically, if you are a practicing Christian, I would advise you. Why help the Muslims, you know?

That Muslims do their own thing, right? So this is the way we're going to put their clause. And our attorney already put it there. Okay. Again, that's not the epic developers. Those are people doing the same thing elsewhere. I don't know. Now maybe that's the old him.

And again, it's not the same people. But maybe he's changed his mind as well. I don't know. But I do know what's happening over in Europe. And I don't think so. I'm sorry. I just don't think so. I'm not comfortable.

I maybe more comfortable with somebody else. I mean, I'm not comfortable, you know, with a Christian saying, you know what? And we're all going to live by God's laws. And that's the way it is. And who are you to vote against God? laws. I don't know. I'm a citizen of the United States of America. We have a constitution. I'd like everybody to live under the principles of Christianity and the Holy Bible, as we know it, both Old Testament and New Testament. But we are a separate country. And I'm sorry, if you want to, if you want to rule

your own little fiefdom and not use the law and the Supreme Court and everything as directed under our Constitution. No. No. No. I don't care if you're Christians. I mean, I would have a real problem. I'm a member of the Church of Jesus Christ's Latter-day Saints. What is he going to tell us he was a Mormon? I didn't know that. That's awful. My gosh, he's been lying to us all these. I don't want, I don't want the church running Salt Lake City or Utah. I don't want them going, you know what? Here's what we're going to do. The church says no to that. And by the way, 75% of all the taxes are going to go to build our churches. No. I was told you were a Christian nationalist. Is that not accurate? Just the nationalist part. Oh, okay. God. God. You know, because we can't be Christians. You know, anyway. It's so funny that, you know, the left will defend this type of behavior. And they would never. If a Christian, I mean, if you tried to do that, I mean, and I don't know of no one who does, but when, I don't know, some cult attempts it, people are usually relatively. critical, right? Like, it's just not a...

Maybe a little bit. Yeah, maybe a little bit. It's just not a... I don't know. Like, some... Look, a lot of times people tend to flock to the same area based on culture. There's nothing wrong with that. I don't... I think it's part of America that I like, right? Like, you go to certain areas and you maybe get the best food from a certain region. And, you know, people tend to congregate around things that are familiar to them. There's not anything wrong with that. But these sort of centralized... I'm just not a fan of central... planning in almost every context. That's weird. It's weird. That is weird. So, you know, we've seen this before. And here's why I say, I don't really necessarily trust anybody who says, that's the old

me, because we had an issue, and I don't even remember what it was, but there was this mosque here in this particular town that we are in Irving, which is the most diverse zip code, I think, in all of America. And everybody gets along and it's great. And there's a big Muslim community, et cetera, et cetera. But there was a, uh, I don't remember what the issue is, but my spider senses went off on, I don't think they're actually against Sharia law. And so I had a conversation with these guys. It was a very pleasant conversation until about halfway through. And I said, so, okay, so then you'll denounce Hamas for all of the things that they're doing, you know, killing and raping, et cetera, et cetera.

And one of the imams is like, well, no, wait a minute, wait a minute. And here's what followed. I am here, I'm sorry to say it, back to the first point. I'm here to discuss issue with Islamic tribunal. So please don't grab us to another situation. Maybe we are ready for any discussion. No, I know that. And I think we had a good decision.

We are ready for any point to discuss with. But the main point here we are. that's the reason we are here to discuss this issue what kind of cases islamic tribunal handle and you start with the sharia and what sharia why the people are afraid from sharia i'm sorry to say at one point related to this cut head is not just in sharia law just in islamic law it's everywhere who said that just in islamic law that's even another sharia in jew sharia in christian sharia in american here we cut it we cut it we've been We cut head for some reason.

So I'm asking you an easy question. If anyone kill another, he should get killed by law, by Islamic law, by governor, he should get killed. What is the wrong with that? If a thief, jump, I'm sorry to your house, scare your wife, scare your children, scare your neighbor, and they did that with our stores, this is the law, the law to cut his hand, because if, if, you... he feels my hands will cut because of that. He will think about this hundred times. He will never do it.

And if he do that one time, he will never do it again. Look how many millions of dollars American here or other states or other state outside spend for the, to keep the criminal in jail? A lot of millions of dollars, we can't save that. Just let him go. And that's it. because he did something going in the whole community and scared the whole community. Why not? So back, please, to the point, Islamic tribunal, yes, we never deal with anything of that.

It is not, we don't have authority for that. We don't have power for that. But I want to make sure I understand that you're, but you're okay. You seem to be okay with that if you had the power for that. But you don't have the power. Absolutely not. Absolutely not. As I said, we have system.

We are very. people. Right. If, sorry for this example, like that somebody killed my dad. I shouldn't kill him. I have to case, take this case to the judge. And judge have to the governor. This is system, procedure. I have to follow. So it is not like this, one kill this, let's get, got him killed. No, no way. We have very, I give you just an easy example for leader Omar bin Khattab. This is

after Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him. He sent one to Yemen and he told him, before he leaves, he asked him, always as a habit, what did you do if the people bring a thief for you? He said, I will cut his hand. Okay, he said, you do that, okay. Omar said, this is the, after Prophet Muhammad Sala, after Aupakra and the Prophet Muhammad,

he said, okay, if one person came with me, without work, unobloid, I will cut your head because he has no job. So he, if you... Okay, stop.

It just gets worse from here. It just gets worse from here. So, you know, I'm a little... No. No. No cutting off of hands. Not going to agree with you.

Whether you say you have the power to do that or not, I don't think that's a good idea myself. Maybe in the table. 1200s, not today. Wait, can we pause for one moment on this clip? Yeah. It is the most bizarre clip I've ever seen in my life.

If for anyone who's not watching Blaze TV, BlazTV.com slash Glenn, it is an interview that we did at 2015, apparently experimenting on what the set would look like. No, no, no, no. There was a reason for that. There was a reason for that. There was a reason for that. I want to know. Yeah, yeah.

The interview is taking place in a field. Mm-hmm. Glenn is sitting on a bright red chair with a bowtie, which we've seen crazier things. These two guys are sitting on what appears to be a green styrofoam airplane toy that is three inches off the ground. They are giant fat guys who are sitting there and one guy is talking for 20 straight minutes while the other guy is sitting there in sunglasses. The other guy was like, dear God, shut up, man. shut up, shot up. That's what he was thinking. Anyway, so I got a, I got a email yesterday while we were recording the show, and it was from Aaron Ragsdale. She's a executive vice president at

Dallas-based communications firm. She's said, I've been a fan of your show since today of Fox, blah, blah, blah. We're working with community capital partners. Now listen to this carefully, too. The developer of the proposed Epic City Master Plan community in Colin County. This is the master plan Islamic community. I heard AG Paxson on your show this morning. Note that you're having TV special on Epic City tonight. Would you be interested in having Dan Coddell on in the studio to share the CCP's perspective and share some facts about the project? For example, anyone can buy a lot or a house, open a business in the development community will partner with local law enforcement, just as other master plan communities do, yada, yada, yada, and follow all local state and federal

laws. The only people who have mentioned Sharia law are the elected officials and people on social media, not anyone related to the project. I'm happy to visit you with on phone, blah, blah, blah, let me know. So I said yes, because I didn't realize that Dan was the attorney for the developer. Oh, yeah. I mean, so we booked him an hour from now. And I, I would like to talk to that. Why do you have to have your attorney speak for you? Well, I mean, I think the answer to that is obvious, but that doesn't mean we have to participate in it. Right. I mean, I don't want to talk to an attorney. I know what I'm going to get from an attorney. I like. Why can I talk to the developer?

Yeah. If he wants to talk about it, I think that that would make more sense. I mean, no offense. Like, I'm sure he's fine. I'm sure he's fine. But like, I don't know if that makes sense for us. Why lawyer up on this one? I mean, I understand that.

Of course, do you know why you would lower up on this one? Yes. But do you think I don't know why I should low, you know, you want to have an attorney? Great, I'll have an attorney too. And our two attorneys can have a conversation. And we'll get no ratings and no one will listen and no one will care. Right. Nobody cares because it's not, you're not, you're not to get an honest conversation. I'm willing to say the tough things and ask the tough questions

knowing that you'll sue my ass off if I get anything wrong. So no, you can come on as a regular person that is proud of your development and just have a conversation about it. I have no problem with what you're doing. I have no problem. I don't have any evidence. Well, but he was a different man back in 2001. That's a little disturbing. But I have a other than that, I have no reason to believe you're going to do any of that. I am a concerned citizen of the area that would not like to have no go zones. And so I just want to know, I mean, I had the same conversation on a different subject with the developers who didn't bring their attorney in Houston at the big project. And they told us a bunch of crap that wasn't true.

And we now know because they're all being, they're being rated by ICE now. and it was the same kind of thing. Don't get rich by just doing things that you think are wrong. And I'm not saying these guys are doing that. I'm concerned about other things. People that will just go and do anything and fool themselves into saying, oh, no, this is totally fine. I don't want to talk to your attorney.

I want to talk to you. I want to talk to you. So what do you think? You just not maybe not have a mom? Yeah, not have a month. Well, they have an hour. We can just get the guy on who, I mean, just we'll call. No, we're not talking to the attorney.

We'll gladly talk to the developer. I'm sorry, but nowhere in here did you say he was the attorney for the developer. Maybe my misunderstanding of something that you just didn't write. And what's the name of the place again? Epic. Epic City. I think they use the community capital partners. You should not call it CCP.

I would not. It's another thing. It's another bad. And, you know, it's a communications firm. You should probably know that. Anyway, let me tell you. that timing on this one. Let me tell you about the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews.

Eventually the cameras turn off. The headlines move on. Great timing for this one. What do you mean? The world turns its attention to something else, but it's a horrific story. What's going on over there? And the need has not gone away over there. You're not hearing about the situation in Israel every single day anymore,

but they are still embroiled in a terrible war against the enemies that are surrounding them. And they're still fighting just to survive, still trying to recover, trying to get a place where they can feel even a little safe. This is why I stand up with the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews, because they don't, they don't just respond during part of the crisis that's on the news. They're there. They have been there for a long time, and they've been helping save and rebuild lives by providing things like bomb shelters, bulletproof vests, armored vehicles for first responders,

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Of course, there's chocolate bunnies and there are plastic eggs. you know, but that's maybe not the thing that matters. What came first, the chocolate bunny or the plastic egg? That's a great point. I don't know. Don't know. That's a great question. Now I grew up in an era where Christian movies were, you know, painful at times.

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Very well, thank you. Good to be on your program. Yeah, good to have you on again. You're looking at the situation, and it is changing by the hour. What are you feeling, especially you're from Germany. Are you still in Germany today? Are you here in the United States? I'm actually in the U.S.

In the U.S. right. All right. What is happening in Germany and in Europe and how is how's this whole trade thing affecting everybody? It's affecting everyone because if you have the sort of list of terrorists that were announced last week, presently suspended. But if you look at the numbers for some countries, it were significant changes. And potentially, even now that there have been, suspended, but there's still in place with China, very, very high numbers you mentioned in, you know, and the triple-digit percentage tariff for China and China retaliating, and there's escalating. That is very dangerous because China is part of supply chains across the

globe, even, you know, involving other countries. And of course, the U.S., I mean, you know, President Trump has a point. The U.S. is the most attractive market. Everyone wants to export to the US. So it's true that the US has some leverage there. The question is, what do we want to achieve and how do we go about it in order to make sure we actually achieve it? At the moment, there is a risk. The situation will escalate, particularly this confrontation now laser focused on China is the bad guy. And you see, in Asia, it's very important not to lose face and not to be publicly accumulated. And at the moment, you know, because that's why they, you know, they can't easily give in.

One has to create an opportunity in the opening for a compromise or, you know, for China to give in. So what would be allowed, you know, at the moment, the way it's done is very hard. President Trump said this yesterday. He said, look, it's important in China that they don't lose faith, the face, that they're not humiliated. And he said, I feel like they feel like they're being humiliated right now. So what should he be doing while still staying tough? What kind of opportunity should be presented to de-escalate this?

I think it's important, you know, President Trump's very transparent, those things publicly, but maybe in this case, where we are at this point, it's important to take it off, you know, the public focus, and have some private conversations with China's leadership. And maybe they even suggest a way in which there's may be done. Essentially, one needs a face-saving solution that makes both sides look good. This can be done because the Chinese are as much interested in, you know, making a deal as President Trump is. They are the Chinese payments for commerce, for trading, for doing deals.

So it just has to be done in such a way that they're not forced into a corner. And then they feel obliged to also, you know, stand up to what appears to be bullying to them and appear tougher than they actually. should be at this stage. So I think it can be done. I mean, I'd be glad to help, you know, get me into the Trump team. I've got good relations. I was invited to be professor of finance at one of the top universities, Fudan in Shanghai, met very senior people at China. And, I mean, I've been in Japan for 12 years. I know how to talk to Asia. At the moment, there is perhaps, yeah, this lack of the right approach. But it's, it's very much. fantastic news, as you mentioned, that President Trump is now acknowledging this.

And I think this creates an opening with the right advice. The other point I'd like to make, actually, is that I think it is very smart of President Trump to raise fundamentally the tariff issue and how the U.S. had not always been treated equally by other countries when it comes to trade and tariffs. That is very valid. Paris in history have been, well, actually mixed, but they have been very successful in good for America and also for other countries that use them. If and when they're used in combination with the right policies, domestic policies. That's where I think the Trump team still needs some good advice.

The Trump team knows that this official mainstream neoclassical economics is not to be trusted, and that's very true. But they're still lacking the right advice. I'm an expert in high growth of economics, and I think the U.S. can have 15% growth for 40 years like China had. This can be done. There is no real. What needs to happen? If you have the right policies in place. What needs to happen?

What is he missing? I mean, because I think what's missing is the Congress doing their job and putting other things in place. What are you saying is missing? Yes. Well, it's a key thing is to do with money. and those who create money. Now, the Fed has created a lot of money far too much, you know, in the recent years, and that's caused inflation and everything.

But actually, normally, central banks only create 3% of the money supply. 97% of the money supply normally is created by the banks, the banking system. And the banks normally, and this is, you know, this is capitalism, where you don't have central planners making decisions, but you've got private, commercially oriented enterprises making decisions. And so the more diversified your banking system, and particularly the more small local banks you have, the stronger your economy, the stronger job creation. And that's where in the past the U.S. has been extremely strong, but in recent years under other presidents

and other regular authorities have really reduced the number of small local banks. I mean, there's been a collapse in the number of community banks and local banks almost across the United States. And that's very bad for job creation, small firms in their competitiveness. And China is the best case in point. They used to have the centralized Soviet-style system with only one bank. And then when the leader, Zhao Ping, came to power in 1978, he felt, let's forget about all this ideology under Mao, chairman Mao. Let's deliver outcome.

Let's deliver performance and growth. How do we do it? Well, let's learn from those who did it. And he went to Japan and asked the Japanese, what's your secret of success? And they told them, you need banks. How many banks do you have? One bank, are you serious for 600 million people at the time, something like that? Well, you need more banks than that. How about 5,000?

And that's what he did. So he went back to China and created 5,000 small banks, local banks, village banks, credit unions, regional banks, rural savings banks, provincial banks. So what does Trump need to do to do that here? That lends to small firms. What does he need to do to create that here? What should he be encouraging? Well, first of all, one needs to take the pressure off the small banks to merge

because the Federal Reserve and the FDIC have been closing banks and forcing them to merge. That's why thousands of banks have disappeared in the U.S. I mean, job creation, politicians talk about job creation, but who is the main employer? It is small firms. Yes. SMEs, small and medium-sized enterprises,

employed between 65 and 75% of total employment. And there is a special thing about small firms. They can't get money from capital markets. Correct. Wall Street is not open to them. The only external source of funding is banks. Local banks. With banks, we all have another rule,

big banks don't lend to small firms. It doesn't make sense. So who lends to small firms is only small banks. And that's why America in the past was very strong, when they were, you know, going a few decades back, we had more than 20,000 banks, mostly these thousand, thousand small local banks, community banks. And that was great.

But the regulators and the centralization have led to mergers and the number of banks have been going down rapidly. FDIC closing down healthy banks. For some reason, they think it's a good idea. same in Europe, you know, that ECB, European Central Bank says, we have too many banks, we have to close the small local banks. Well, that's how you kill the middle class. Right.

That's really what happened to the middle class, that the small firms are not supported anymore. You know, when there's a new technology coming out, the small firms, they're not necessarily innovators, but they're the ones that have to quickly adapt, adopt the new technology. And for that, you need money. If you have a small local bank that knows you, you will get your funding, you can upgrade, you can maintain your market share and stay competitive, expand jobs, basically. But in countries where the banking system gets too concentrated,

and the U.S. is now at risk of becoming one of those companies. I know. For example, look at the U.K., you know, five big banks. The small firms get nothing from these big banks. But isn't this? They can't afford to do the small loans. They have to do big business. They lend to the hedge funds in private equity funds in billions,

and that works for the big banks. Is it really good that the U.S. is heading that, Wayne, no. We have to change that. So we have to change policies at the FDIC and also at the Fed. They have to be bank friendly and therefore small firm friendly and therefore employment friendly. So if we combine the tariffs with the right monetary and banking policy, the U.S. can be hugely successful. I mean, you know, Glenn, you've got good connections. Help me to get to the Trump team. I'll put a word in for you, but I mean, I'm lucky to talk to the Trump team. I'm lucky to talk to the janitor. So, Richard, let me, let me go to Europe here for a second, because I think what

Trump is trying to do on many of his things is to break this elite, almost world economic forum grip on dismantling the West. He doesn't believe in the, you know, slow decline of the West. He is looking to change directions 180 degrees. And I think that's part of what these tariffs on Europe and everything else is to say, look, we're going in a different direction. We have to go in a different direction. Who's with me? Does that, do you read it that way or not?

Well, I think that, that is a, certainly is one possibility. And that would be, you know, that would be a good goal because Europe is really still under the thrall of, you know, World Economic Forum and in the deep state. and including the U.S. deep state, you know, still very active in Europe. We mustn't forget that. So sometimes when President Trump

ends up arguing with European leaders, he's still arguing with this old enemy, which is the CIA. You know, they're running Europe. They've got all their assets in place. And, of course, the World Economic Forum is a CIA asset, you know. It was under Kissinger that the CIA

funded this program, which brought Charles Schwartz to the fore, you know. So President Trump needs to real. that he's still fighting the old enemy, but now, you know, he won domestically, but, you know, the old enemy is strong in Europe and other places still, where they've had the foothold through, you know, traditional military, foreign bases, you know, where the U.S. army is and so on, Japan included. And that explains a lot of this friction. And so, yeah, in many ways, it's good that Europe sees, okay, there's going to be a change of policy.

But they're just going to now, while they're still under instruction from their minors at the CIA, they're just really agitating against the United States, against Trump. They're talking about, well, we have to decouple. We can't trust America anymore at all. And when the reality is they're now just totally still following their minders. The deep state mind is what can only form. So let me take a one minute break and then come back.

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Everybody's being dismantled over there. You've got the mass immigration that is happening, that is doing even more damage. The people are on the verge of unrest. You have clampdowns everywhere from this deep state government. I'm concerned that Europe is in a place to where they might just say, you know what? let's just ban together against America. Let's go with China or let's go another direction. We're not, we'll put them out.

Do you think that's a possibility at all? I'm going to where you're saying, you know, let's ban together and let's try to work against America or the current, you know, government, the current administration in America. That is already happening. Concerning banning together with China, so far that hadn't been really on the radar. Good. but now actually is becoming also a possibility. And that's actually a big concern

because what happened earlier with the previous different administrations and their Russia policy, they essentially forced Russia and China to collaborate as much as possible. All the sanctions on Russia and we know the result actually has been bad to the US and has been just helping China and Russia

to essentially, established, and together with Briggs and other countries, an alternative trading block and collaborations and investments mutually. And the book of the Chinese initiative, the Belt and Road Initiative now in its 11th year, has signed up many, many developing countries and emerging markets. So there are alternatives. Now, that actually creates the possibility in theory that Europe will say, well, hang on, that's actually quite an attractive group of countries.

And maybe we should somehow move closer to them and work with them. And so US policy should take that in consideration. Do we really want to drive everyone away? Or do we actually want to have good, collaborative relationships? But as Trump administration makes clear, you know, on different terms, we want to change a break from. past policies, which actually weren't that good for Europe either, you know, the past policies. And so for Europe, the truth is the Trump administration is a great opportunity.

Sadly, we don't have the leaders in Europe that take advantage of the solitude because they could really change everything and actually strengthen Europe. But sadly, as you said, they are still in the process of deindustrializing Europe. In Germany, it's just accelerating. That's right. economy and really dismantling everything, replacing the population. It's just a disaster. And so the leadership is lacking there. Okay.

Perhaps also the Trump administration could help in trying to support those. And, you know, Elon Musk has reached out to the German opposition leader. So that's a good sign. So hang on, Richard, just a second. We're talking to the professor Richard Werner, coined the term quantitative easing. He's an economics professor. More with him in a second. This is Glenn Beck.

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we address both of these things. The policies of the central bank's inflation is likely to rev up again, the central bank goal of CBDCs and progress on that front from their perspective. Europe is likely to turn into a digital prison in the coming five years with BIS in Switzerland, running also a digital asset register of all asset ownerships in the EU. People are arrested for social media opinions already. EU Digital Services Act. The resistance against all of this is struggling. Let me start with that, Richard.

You mean all of that? I mean, within five years a digital prison? Already this October. Now, that's, they introduced CBBC. That's actually too early. What happened in October is that, you know, the proprietary phase officially ends at the European Central Bank. It doesn't mean that from October this year,

we will have the digital euro. Yeah. But we will be in the final phase, namely the introduction phase, where they will work on actually preparing to introduce it, which likely will happen in the following two years. And that is a massive, massive step towards this digital prison. The Digital Act, Digital Services Act and other act, already in place in Europe, sadly,

and they were using it to arrest people. It's criticizing government in Germany, you go to prison. You know, post an ex message criticizing the government, that could be a prison sentence. It's unbelievable. It's true. The BIS has already two years ago announced that it's working on this digital asset register. And of course, whenever the government wants to do a big census and register of, you know, what's your own, well, you know, what's coming next. They're going to take some of that in the form of taxes or worse.

You know, once it's a digital asset, the transfer of ownership will be very smooth and convenient and can be done by those in charge of those systems. You know, when... It does look very clear. When J.D. Vance was over in Germany recently, and your foreign minister started to weep and say we have nothing in common. I'm like, you know what? I don't know if we should be protecting and being in NATO, because if you don't agree with people should be free to speak, I don't know what we do have in common.

but let me give something else that you talked about and I'd love to hear your comments on this. You just spoke about President Trump, you know, not fighting Europe or the EU, but the European opposition to the Trump administration, which you say are European politicians controlled by our deep state, which I fully believe. You say first and foremost in Germany, because the CIA uses the U.S. occupation powers and NATO powers to claim legal authority to run its covert ops and assets, which includes most politicians and most parties in Germany. At law, Germany is still at war.

There's not been a peace treaty. The Constitution remains suspended, and there is only a basic law for occupied countries, and Germany remains an enemy country in the UN Charter. Most of all, many of the 1945 occupation statutes still apply, giving extraordinary powers to representatives of the U.S. government, which the CIA uses. Holy mother, I had no idea.

That's true? Yeah, that is the truth. That is the truth. I'm glad you saw it. You know, more Americans need to realize this. And also that, you know, all members of the Trump administration need to realize that. So when they have an argument with Europe, who are they actually argue with? It is their old nemesis, their old opposition, the CIA. Richard, I, how long are you in the country for?

Actually, at the moment, Chile, you'll leave this evening. But I've come back. Okay, I'd like to. Yeah, we'd like to have you sit down because I, you have, you have, you, you have, you have far too much information that that I have not heard and I'd like to really go deeper into that and have you show us the

example so it's not just you know one person's opinion you also say that gold could hit $10,000 an ounce in a couple of years it wouldn't surprise you why exactly that's true I just think about

this extraordinary money creation at the central bank starting with the Fed have undertaken since March 2020 under all sorts of pretences. It's been so massive. And of course, that has then had an impact on stocks and other things. But the gold price has barely moved. I mean, it's now just in the last sort of four months, five months, started to move. And it's now just about double where it was in March 2020.

but that still doesn't reflect all the money creation that's been going on. So it's still cheap, basically. So we are looking at, I mean, this is, I've been trying to explain to the American people that what Donald Trump is doing, he's not, he's not nibbling around the edges. And I'm, I'm not sure how much I understand. I'm not sure how much he understands. But we do all understand. There is a deep, fundamental, structural problem that started, you know, after World War II, and it was all put in there, maybe let's just say for all good

intentions, but now it no longer works. In fact, it's working against the people, and it's, it's been twisted and is in awful, awful shape. And half the, most of the politicians, half the world says, let's just manage the decline into some sort of global state. He is saying, no, we've got to go the other way. Can you explain this to the person? that might not be a fan of Donald Trump that is that you can you can explain why it is important. No matter what the answer is, I don't know. I think I'm the only one that's diagnosing the cancer so far as Donald Trump. So I'll go with his prescription right now until I hear a better doctor that admits the problem and then says here's a better solution. Can you describe to people who don't see this why it is so important that we must get off the course we've been on for a long time?

The resistance to President Trump, which was very obvious before the elections, you know, when he was shot at several times, assassination attempts. That is such proof that he is doing the right things. I mean, the deep state clearly has been very, well, very much afraid of presidency, and the second Trump presidency. So that's the first point. And then now why is this deep states are powerful? Once you look into that, you realize that it is really the most important variable in the post-war era,

certainly since the CIA was created in 1947. Fletcher Proutly wrote a really good book about this, called The Secret Team. For many years, it was not available because it was suppressed. And he describes the extraordinary powers of the CIA, which technically actually illegal, but the CIA has used its powers to make it practically legal by any congressional oversight. They make sure these are all CIA agents, you know, because it's classified who is a CIA agent. And there's no de facto real oversight over this. Such a prouty wasn't just somebody, some kind of, you know, crackpot.

No, he was actually part of all this. he'd been heading all sorts of COVID operations. The first thing to understand is that the CIA has two parts. One is the official front, the public face, which is just the analysts. And that's a very mild mannered part of the CIA. You can download their reports and everything, you know. And it originally was meant to be that in a briefing the president. It was supposed to report to the president.

Well, it looks like they assassinated the president, JFK, and they could lose with all sorts of foreign powers. and they had very, they've completely gone out of the job because there's a second part of the CIA and he was, he worked at that and rose to the top, you know, and that is the COVID operation part of the CIA. Fletch was the head of COVID operations, the joint chief corporate operations, the joint chief of the White House and then he became a whistleblower and he wrote this book. So that's the real problem, what this, what the deep state has.

has been doing for decades. And that has taped into a very, very bad shape, world politics and many events. And Europe's suffered on that. You know, the EU was created by the CIA. It's a CIA creation. That's actually a matter of public record because fortunately some of these CIA records have to be published and they were published. And it turned out that all the founding fathers of the European Union celebrated by streets

and buildings named after them in Brussels. you know, Jean Monnet, he was 100% a CIA agent and all the others, you know, Spark and Schumann and so on. And then this so-called European movement, which gave cash to all the European parties, if they only put into their program ever closer European Union creation over the United States of Europe, was CIA funded. The European youth movement was 100% CIA funded. and that's really what's behind Europe. And of course, they could build this up

because they had so much power, a big power base in Germany, where we've never really addressed that issue that Germany is not a sovereign country. It's still, US-occupied, there's no peace treaty. That's crazy. And the Constitution is suspended. We only have a basic law, which was meant to be temporary, and you know so the CIA is using that the occupation statutes and the powers of the occupation forces

they can do anything illegal and then claim oh it's legal because occupation statutes you know and you know the big you know operation bases in Germany I mean they're vast by the CIA so one has to be aware of that and Trump essentially is fighting on it I don't really fully realize it's just how big the monster is that he's fighting, this dragon that he's trying to slay. But we have to support him. He's our best hope, I think. And that's the battle we're in at the moment. I really appreciate it. Thank you so much. I'd like to talk to you some more about this on air. And I will pass this on to the president and his team. You are exposing some things. here that I'm here for the first time I have my chief researcher Jason in here.

Had you heard any of this stuff? None. None. None. Is Japan still under occupation law? In Japan, legally, it's not, but in practice it is. So the situation there is different. In Germany, legally, it's still under occupation.

And the U.S. has these legal rights. That's what makes it so easy for the CA. In Japan, it's like in many other places where the CIA is, operating it is technically not you know they don't have the powers but they just you know they're extra legal powers so prime minister in japan that acted in a way the CIA didn't like um you know this prime minister ubuci he died on the job you know and there's all sorts of rumors about that abbe was assassinated recently you know prime minister abe now he was very much pro america um there was absolutely no doubt but he always carved out a bit of you know protection of

the Japanese people, which I think many Americans would understand and would support. So he didn't want Japan to be flooded by immigrants. Right. Well, you know, so the deep say didn't like that. And he got assassinate. Uh, Richard. Thank you. Didn't push the injections, you know, in Japan under the COVID planned in. Uh, thank you so much, Richard. I, I really appreciate the insight. Uh, and we'll talk again, my friend. Thank you.

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