The Glenn Beck Program - Ep 106 | Segregation Survivor: How to Counter BLM's FALSE Racial Narrative | Bob Woodson | The Glenn Beck Podcast

Episode Date: May 1, 2021

Civil rights activist and Woodson Center founder Bob Woodson has lived through segregation and been a victim of racism. But he doesn’t fit the Left’s mold. In fact, he’s providing an alternative narrative to their “equity.” With the Woodson Center and 1776 Unites, he is offering solutions that BLM rejects, but that are actually helping improve the lives of countless people trapped in poverty and inner-city violence. He goes through all of this and more in his latest book, “Red, White, and Black: Rescuing American History from Revisionists and Race Hustlers.” And he joins Glenn to make the case that the radical Left does not represent the majority of the black community. As leftist race-baiters make millions off branding the police as white supremacists while breaking the spirits of Americans of ALL races, Woodson calls out their moral treason, speaks truth to power, and denounces real racism for what it truly is: evil. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Today's guest is a genius, certified genius. In 1990, he won the MacArthur Genius Grant, and it has been nonstop his entire life. All the odds have always been against him. But his mother told him to strive for excellence. And he did. And he has made quite an impact. You may not know his name, but once you meet him, you'll never forget him. It is a long journey.

He was a civil rights activist in the 1960s. He went to jail. He devoted his life to improving the lives of low-income people. He was also the director of the American Enterprise Institute. He founded the National Center for Neighborhood Enterprise. He founded then the Woodson Center. He is a guy who you probably don't know because he's not out there trying to drum up spotlight. He's a guy who lives in the community.

and does everything he can to fix them. He is a perfect example of a person with solutions in an era that is inundated with difficult questions. He goes through all of this and much more in his upcoming book, Red Right and Black, rescuing American history from revisionists and race hustlers. Today on the Glenbeck podcast, the one and only my good friend, Bob Woodson.

Hello, my friend, Bob. How are you? I'm just fine, man. Always good to see you. You're an inspiration to me. Oh, please. I wanted to start this podcast with how you inspire other people. It was the day after the Chauvin verdict came in. President Biden had gotten up and said that, you know, we're a systematically racist country, et cetera, et cetera.

And a lot of people, they even agreed with the verdict that something was wrong there. and he should be punished for it. A lot of people felt pretty down in the mouth. And that morning I came in, and the first call I took was this call. I want you to hear it. What the president did yesterday was so irresponsible. And so I woke up angry. And then I called my good friend Bob Woodson, who you've had on your show several times.

And he talked me off the ledge. He said, we need to do his mother Teresa. We need to increase our faith. And he reminded me of the story of David and Goliath. And he says, we are the David. He indicated that the low-income black American who's been used as a pawn and all of this is a sleeping giant. And we need to cultivate them and help them rise up to counter this false narrative that's, by the way, being promoted by people who are probably making six figures or more, who have made it, who have been successful and now crying racism. Bob Woodson, I've wanted to talk to you ever since that phone call came in, because I think there's a lot of people that are losing hope.

America is just being beaten down into the ground. Everything is racist, and the people who are the race baiters, if you will, seem to be profiting off it in buying houses and nobody's being held accountable for it. It's shameful what is happening because there are real problems in America. that we can solve. So help us, Bob, help us. Well, the best metaphor for which you're talking about, the fact that Al Sharpton flew in on a Learjet, Maxine Waters left a $3 million mansion and requested Capitol Hill police escort. And she was rallying to the leader of Black Lives Matter that just bought about 3.4 million in bigger states, won a 3.4.

1.3 mansion in a white neighborhood patrolled by white police officers. So what do we do with that information? Because it's... Marxist you'll ever meet. I know. Well, that Marxist, as you know, always become rich themselves once things have turned. But the...

It's almost as this we're standing in a country and we're like, am I the only one seeing this? How come nobody else is seeing this? But you know, what the caller was saying, that I believe that the sleeping giant are low-income blacks. First of all, if you look at the numbers, 80% of low-income blacks who are losing their children in this savage carnage that is going on in the inner cities, as the police are demonized as an extension of the white supremacy, and therefore they are pulling back in these communities, and as a consequence, the murder rate is soaring. Glenn, on Easter Sunday morning in Birmingham, Alabama, a thousand blacks are picnicking in the park.

Six black thugs discharged 100 bullets killing a 32-year-old daughter of a local pastor that just finished singing in a church. And they shot 16 other people and killing a four-year-old boy. I never even heard this. How come I hadn't heard this story? And three days after that in Syracuse, A 32-year-old mother was killed, an 11-month-old was killed, and two other toddlers were shot. And just two days ago, a three-year-old in Dave County was killed at his third birthday. And so where is the outrage?

But this goes unignoticed. But low-income blacks are the ones who are suffering this carnage. And they are speaking up. I think this is the same. I mean, history just replays and replays and replays until you learn the lesson. The taking away of guns was a clan thing. The making sure that you were boxed off from everyone was a clan thing. Segregation was a clans thing.

All of this stuff, I look at, and I remember talking to Black Lives Matter, members who did not read the website. They were not Marxist. They were not. They just wanted someone to finally listen to them because their community was under attack by their own community. I had one grandmother say, I don't trust my grandson. And she said that that's new to our community. And we need help.

And nobody is actually paying attention. This is all politics and all about. power and money. And what do we do to actually help the people who need help? Because honestly, we're demonized. You're white. Bob, you know this. I go into a black community.

I'm going to be called all kinds of names, and I'm only doing it because of this or that. You can't be charitable and white. You can't go actually and help people. But, but they do the voices of dissent who are protesting, who are protesting, they do not represent the majority of black opinions. The Woodson Center, we have organized 2,500 black mothers, voices of black mothers united, who all lost children to urban violence.

They took out a full-page ad saying, we support the police. They just had a conference in Birmingham where half of the participants were police officers so that they were demonstrating their common community with the police. And so there are other neighborhood organizations around the country. 60% of blacks poll do not believe that racial discrimination is their principal barrier. But you would never know that by listening to the people that the left-wing media puts on as spokesperson for the black community. I don't know if you saw 60 minutes, but with 60 minutes, they interviewed, what's his name, the attorney general in Keith Ellison in Minnesota.

And he said, and this is one question I've been asking the whole time. Look, I think Chauvin what he did was wrong. I think he should be punished. I think he should go to jail. I wasn't in the jury box. I also don't know Minnesota law. So I don't know what he should have got. but I'm fine. I trust the jury and the system to get it right. However, I've been asking,

nobody even brought up that he was a racist in the trial. Nobody brought up any evidence that this had anything to do with race. So why have we even been talking about race when it comes to Chauvin? That was not even, even Keith Ellison said, no, not a shred event's evidence that had anything to do with color. Well, then what do we do? that the self is pushing this narrative. Even in the shooting in Columbus, Ohio, the first thing he says, well, we know the systemic, what is systemic racism? I don't know what it is.

And I live through segregation. And in fact, I'll tell you, I would almost rather deal with an honest bigot from the 60s than to deal with the kind of patronizing, pandering that they're doing. that really is destroying our community from within. But there are elements pushing back against it. We've got voices of black mothers. We've got thousands of people who are longing for a decent education for their children, choice in education.

We released our first series of curriculum for curriculum to counter 1619. We have 10,000 down. downloads. And when we testified before two boards of education, a lot of people are being misled and hoodwinked by this race. So all of us want freedom and justice for everybody in justice. But the left is really a weaponizing race. And so that's why it's important. We're raising the resources necessary to give voice to the voiceless people in these communities who are losing their children. There have been 70 people killed since George Floyd. You wouldn't know about it. 20 of them with children. And so what we need to do is we need to counter this false racial narrative with

examples of resilience, of perseverance in the black community that really defines the content of our lives. So then how can we help empower you? Because there's a lot of American. white, black, Asian, doesn't matter. There's a lot of Americans that are tired of this and want to do something positive and help people who are actually helping. So how can we help empower you? What you can help do is walk with us. We need funding.

We need your ability to what you're doing right now is giving us a platform. I would love to bring some of those voices of Black Mothers United on. I'd love to talk to have some of them. So there are a lot of powerful voices out there who believe, as I believe, in the content of this America's character. And we are patriots, but we need to come together and provide the means for us to speak the truth to power. So we need the kind of partnerships. I call it the Pharaoh-Joseph relationships. So here's the deal I'll make with you.

You tell me when and let's bring the moms in. If you bring voices in, I will air it. I will put it on my radio show. It'll go across the country and online. Millions will hear them. You tell me when you can gather them together. And also, people go online, 1776, your ninth, you'll see our book that's coming out that's come out on the 50s.

of May. It's called Red, White, and Black. It's a compilation of all of our essays. It gives a lie to the, to the fact that we are told that the problems of out-of-wedlock birth, violence in the black community is a consequence of a legacy of slavery and discrimination. Jim Crow. And it's not true. But a lot of people believe it because they don't have the facts. So our essays, if you're a if your listeners, we go read our essays, it will give them the kind of information that they need to push back against it. But where the people on the right have missed the boat, Glenn, is frankly, they think the problem is just information. And a lot of our think tanks are just pushing out papers condemning what the left is doing. With the Woodson Center, we believe you must show examples of American virtues and values and actions. You see how when whites were at their worst, we were at our best. We have pictures of hospitals.

A hundred schools and colleges were built by the 1930s in America. We had hotels. We had our own railroad. So these stories of blacks achieving against the odds will show and give evidence that America is one of the greatest countries on. earth because even people who were suffered the sting of slavery were never defined by that oppressive system that they were defined by resilience and and the desire to self-sufficiency. I think, you know, Bob, I was talking to an atheist a few months ago and I said to him,

I hate to use this word. I said, because I know you don't believe in God. but it is the only word that I can use to describe what's happening right now, especially with critical race theory. It is evil because it is trying to break the spirit of people. And once you break the spirit of them, there's nothing left. And that's what I feel like is happening all across America. There is this attempt to break the spirit of whites, of blacks, of anyone saying, you can't do it. which is the opposite of what God teaches.

It's the opposite of everything America is supposed to be and has set out to be. It doesn't break the spirit. It only does that when it's at its absolute worst. And that's what we're pushing right now. It's just this you can't even have salvation by yourself. You really can't. But to see, Glenn, the left derives us, moral authority as being the legitimate representative of so-called marginalized groups.

Well, when those mothers and others begin to stand up and say they don't speak for us, then you're going to see the resistance change. But you see, we've got to stand a Farrell Joseph relationship, a pact. But there's nothing worse than self-flagellating guilty white people. and rich, angry black people who profit off the misery of their people. I call Sharpton and some of those are doing is worse than bigotry. It's treason. It's moral treason against their own people.

So the only time you hear about them is when a white police officer kills a black person. And that happens maybe 20 or 21 times a year, but 6,000 blacks are killed each year by other blacks. So in other words, the message is black lives only matter when it's taken by someone white, which means that you have betrayed the black community when you turn the back on 20 children that are slaughtered, and you don't march in that community and demand that those killers be turned over to the police. So, Bob, you're the president of the United States. Just go with me for a second. And you have the ability to enact any kind of program or anything.

What is it that you say would help the black community with the incredible crime and death rate in the black community? First of all, I would say the problem is not racial. The problem is the challenge. of upward mobility. Anytime you generalize about a group of people, blacks, whites, Native American, and then you try to apply remedies, it always benefits those at the top at the expense of those at the bottom. Coca-Cola offering jobs for black lawyers as certain percentage. What does that have to do with the black mother in public housing? It's a bait and switch game where you're using the the demographics of the worst of these,

to give resources that helps the best of these, or those who are prospering at the top. And so if I was president, I would say an end to the race grievance business that America should concentrate on the moral and spiritual freefall that is consuming people at the bottom. You look at the white,

I had a seminar with James, Lady Vance and Clarence Page, and the purpose is do desegregate poverty? That the challenges facing low-income whites in Appalachia are the same challenges facing intercity blacks, but at least on both sides, keep them divided. And so what we're trying to do at the Woodson Center is bring about a multiracial coalition based upon the strategies to overcome brokenness in our lives. So when we bring together our grassroots leaders, as we have over the years from 39 states, 2,000 of them,

we bring them together. In 40 years, there's never been any racial conflict. Because when you're a drug addict, you're not a black junkie or white junkie or brown, you're just a junkie. and your challenge is how to overcome this challenge in your life. And so what I would do is bring Americans together where we concentrate on upward mobility for those who are struggling at the bottom.

Bob, I would bet that there are a lot of Americans who think, and I don't care with color that it is, that they are really oppressed right now. But they just are so oppressed and they just can't make it. You actually lived through some dark days in America. And you were there when the civil rights movement was happening. You were part of it. Tell people who think they're suffering now what you went through and what others went through. What was that about in the 1960s?

Well, in the 1950s, I was in the military station in Mississippi. and in Florida. Holy cow. When you had the big water fountains, blacks only, white drinking fountains. When you were more afraid of the police than you were the Klan. You live in a state of anarchy.

I was arrested twice in a small town of Florida because I was raising civil rights issues on the base and they would conspire with the local police so I would come through on Friday night, going 10 miles under the speed limit, and I'd be pulled over and thrown in a nasty jail because I couldn't come up with $35 bond. And they always did it the weekend before payday

because they knew it would be difficult for your friends to raise that kind of money on the military base. And I remember being in a cell, a hot cell, next to the junk tank, where roaches are on the floor, with a mattress there and hundreds of roaches and you lock your arms around the bars

and try to sleep and the blood runs out of your arms and your whole standard of hygiene deteriorates to the point where you take the mattress up scoot all of the roaches underneath and put the mattresses out and jump on it and then take your coat off

and lay down and try to get some sleep. Jeez. I've been through that. But I still never gave into bitterness at all. Because Dr. King said, and I firmly believe it, racism and discrimination wasn't bad because it was visited upon blacks by whites. It's bad because it was evil. And we must come together to fight against evil. I will tell you

in the last 20 years I've read a lot about the civil rights and what people did and Martin Luther King and he was right all the way along he was right and now we're being told the exact opposite

we're being told that we should see color we should be anti-racist and that color does make a difference And everything that Martin Luther King worked for and taught and died for is all being thrown out the window. And it's almost like Malcolm X is back before he realized he was wrong. It's almost like he won. But you know, I saw a tape of Bishop Sheen 50 years ago, his predictions about what's happening today. He made a statement at the end.

He said that what the eagle does is makes his nest up high. And when his chicks get to the point where they need, he pushes them out the necks. And they fall to the ground. And just before they crash, comes down, picks them back up and tries it again until he flies. He says, God is doing this to America. We seem to be crashing down, but he's going to grab us just before we fall. and we're going to rise again. I believe that in my heart,

but we can only do that when we come together and link to America's new patriots and trust me, they are the low-income blacks who do not believe that the nuclear family is Eurocentric and therefore racist. They do not believe in burning Bibles.

They don't believe in burning the flag. So they are, the left is misrepresenting those folks. That's why what we're doing, doing at the Woodson Center is giving voice and a platform for these dissenting voices to stand up to defend themselves and defend this nation. But we just need the partnership and the resources to do it. Well, I will tell you this, Bob, I see, I just saw again today, people in Minneapolis, black businesses that are right there where the killing happened and the police, it's a no go zone for the police now. And, you know, all the BLM people are saying,

don't come, don't come. And the businesses, the black owned businesses are like, we've been deserted. It is chaos down here. Right. And the police won't come. But, you know, when, when a police officer shows up and has to make a decision in 15 seconds, getting out of the squad car, seeing one girl being kicked in the head by a full grown adult, and then another girl standing over, uh, another teenager and brings a knife up and says, I'm going to kill you in 15 seconds from getting out of his car. He had to decide what the real problem was, and it was the person with a knife.

The family is now suing the police officer. The police officer, I think, was heroic. I mean, to be able to discern in 15 seconds where the threat was, I couldn't have done that. But, you know, I read a great article from a cop who said, look, we'll come now in emergencies, but we don't feel like we're backed at all by anybody. So all of the favors, you know, hey, my cat's in the tree, or, hey, this is going on.

Unless it's emergencies, we're not going to do anything. We're not going to risk our lives to break up something that's happening in your backyard. We're just not going to do it. And I think they're right. But again, Glenn, the people who are suffering. other people in those streets. I know. Right. They're not the people on CNN talking about defunded police.

They do not live in those communities at risk. So therefore, what we're trying to do is raise the resources so we can begin to honor good police officers. We should be looking for examples of police doing it through a way. We need to publicly help to support people. to support people like that, just like with Smith College, where those cafeteria workers were falsely accused of racism. Well, we as 40 blacks stood up in defense of white cafeteria workers who are falsely accused of racism.

That's the kind of action that must be taken to challenge the status quo. And we are we have a go fund me for those workers and we are the first to contribute to them. But that's the kind of cross-racial kind of stand that we must take in support of justice and fairness. As, you know, to paraphrase what you said earlier, because it's right, not because of color, but because it's right to do. Yes. To stand up against injustice. injustice is, and again, I mean, I'm just, you know, verbally vomiting what has been said so eloquently before, but injustice anywhere is an injustice everywhere.

If injustice is being done to you, it's an injustice for me, too. We have to look at it that way. And I fear we're not. Let's talk a little bit about the reaction to people on critical race theory. when people are having their kids come home and they're talking about what they've been taught in school. And it's critical race theory. What should the reaction from parents be? What should they do?

What should they say? They should express outrage. They should do what we're getting calls every day from parents. Some of them in Austin, Texas, the town they're Austin. They're running for the school board. and they're running against the race grievance industry. They asked us, my friend and colleague, Ian Rowe, who was one of our 1776 scholars,

we did a two-hour seminar with over 120 parents and others who are looking for an alternative understanding. And we shared with them that what is doing is damaging to not only whites, but also blacks as well, a lot of parents are following it and accepted because they don't know any better. And so I think that the fact that we had such a positive response

to, we've had three or four of these seminars that reach hundreds of people. So one answer is really combat these lies with the truth and some of it has to come from people who look like me. so that the public understands. Quite honestly, Bob, I've told, I think I told you this over a year ago. The answer is the African American community. If there's going to be an answer, it is going to come from the black community saying,

that's not who we are. That's not what we want. Sit down and shut up. Well, we're organizing such a force. That's why they're doing outreach every day with our essays, our scholars, And it's just not, we're not, Glenn presenting alternative arguments. We're presenting alternative narratives. We're telling stories to young blacks to confront the lie that you are exempt from any personal responsibility because of what happened in slavery.

That's a lethal message for people because people are motivated to achieve when they see victories that are possible. not stop constantly reminding them that somehow that white America must change before you can change. That's the foundation of white supremacy. You cannot attack racism by being racist. You know, I just finished a painting of Joe Lewis. I don't know if you know this, but I'm a painter. And I finished a painting of Joe Lewis. and I call it the birth of a champion.

And he is actually on the mat and the ref is calling him out. And Max Schnelling is behind him with his arms up. And if you would look at the painting, you would think, well, Schnelling is the champion? This is not a good message. No. It's because Joe Lewis, it was so easy for him to knock people out, knock him out cold. when Schnelling came, who was the, you know, the Uber child from Nazi Germany,

when he came in, Lewis thought he's an old man, I can knock him out. Well, he went for 12 rounds until Schnelling knocked him out the first time. Because Schnelling did the work and found the hole in Joe Lewis's fighting strategy. The second time, Joe Lewis did not take anything for granted. and you know his story and he knocked him out in, I think, two minutes in the next fight. It takes, you know, you can lay down on the mat and whine about it, or you can get up and apply yourself and really think it through and do the hard work and take the next opportunity to change things.

But I guess that's my white privilege talking. No, when you mentioned Joe Lewis, I consider him a first. philosopher, because Joe Lewis said something was very instructive. He fought at a time when many of his opponents were racist, the judges were racist, and sir were the fans. So Joe Lewis said, when all of the odds are against you, never trust your faith to a decision. Knock the bastard out. That's great. That is great. So no one has to question. So the best. So the best The best antidote to disrespect is performance. Well, isn't that really kind of the Martin Luther King philosophy, too?

Absolutely. I mean, that's why he was so disciplined in the marches. That's why everybody wore ties and jackets. You present the absolute best so no one could say anything. They have to knock the narrative out that they're at all, you know, rabble rousers, dangerous or anything else. You have to be able to see and go, Rosa Parks was not the first person

who refused to move to the back of the bus. Six months before a woman refused, but she was nasty to the bus driver. She was pregnant out of wedlock. Yep. And she was drunk. And they said that is not the proper character around which we can launch a movement.

But now, it seems as though George Floyd, And look, I'm a recovering alcoholic. I've changed my life. I mean, I've made all kinds of mis- We all have. We all have. And nobody deserves to be killed for any thing. But we're making people into heroes that aren't necessarily heroes.

You know, they might be good at making this point that no one should be killed like this. Yes. But we can't dismiss who the people are and make them into the, gods. It's just, it's incredibly dishonest. No, it really is. And, and that's why it is important for us to keep our eyes on the prize. That's why it's important to cultivate the opportunity for the right messengers to speak for themselves. And that's why, that's what we're doing at the Woodson Center. The very fact that we had 10,000 downloads in the first two weeks of our curricula from 1776.

We have testified before school boards. There are a lot of people who are acting out of ignorance. And so for them, we want to supply them with the right information. But again, Glenn, the voices of Black Mothers United, we want to bring them together with the mothers who lost their children in Appalachia to prescription drugs. And the moms in Silicon Valley, where the suicide rate for children is six times the national average. I believe that we are trying to, at the Woodson Center, bring the moms from Appalachia together with the moms, black and brown from the inner city who losing their own suicide, I mean, who are homicide, and bring them together with the mothers from Silicon Valley.

Because it's different sides of the same coin. If you don't value your own life, you'll either take it or you'll take your own. But that kind of conversation can only take place if we can take race off the table. That's why part of the purpose of the Woodson Center is to de-racialize race. and desegregate poverty. That's our goal. Is that why Martin Luther King march with a sign,

I am a man? Yes. Just so it's, I'm a human. I'm not, I'm not black, I'm not white, I'm just a human. That's what he did. But he also demonstrated radical grace. The very fact that his wife escaped his home

almost burned up. And he's surrounded by 200 armed blacks who are ready to tear the city apart. And even in the face of this horrendous challenge, King counseled peace, he led by example. It is the same message that we got from Nelson Mandela. Nelson Mandela, most people in America, if you're white, you probably don't, you know Nelson Mandela, but you don't know what they thought he could do and what I think he really easily could do.

He could have set that country on fire and started just slaughter like we've never seen. And he did the exact opposite, radical grace. And now we're seeing, again, the reverse of all of this. Is this being taught anywhere, Bob? I mean, it is being taught in churches. It's being taught in not-for-profit organization. My good friends, Willie Peterson and Youngstown, Ohio, Pastor Gary Wyatt, in Akron, Ohio, Paul, Redell, and Illy, Ohio.

I can give you hundreds of names of people that are teaching American virtues and action and all. But again, they are the silent voices. They are the Josephs that are right. And that's why one of my favorite characters that wrote my book, The Triance of Joseph, think about Joseph and Dr. King. Joseph was betrayed and sold it to slavery by his brothers.

But in the end, he provided the means to save the brothers who betrayed him and the Egyptians who enslaved him. But if he had he, He has succumb to bitterness and resent. Be over. Everyone would have been, well, that's the challenge that leadership has today. We have to put aside the sins of the past, old resentments and old antagonisms,

and understand that America can only have a prosperous future. If we can put aside these differences, these antagonisms, the birth defective. of slavery and discrimination. And look ahead the way Joseph did. He came together with the good Pharaoh and together that the country prospered. That's what we've got to do today. And that's what the Woodson Center is working on.

That's our operating model. Tell me a little bit about the book, Red, White, and Black. It is a compilation. Give me some of the stories from it. Part of what our essays, one of our essays, for instance, looked at the black family. They looked at the records of six plantations

at the end of slavery, at the composition of the slave families. 75% of slave families have a man and a woman raising children. Many of them formally married right afterwards. And so we document the fact for 100 years, a century, blacks had two parent households up into the 60s. So what about the, wait, wait, wait, before you go on, what about the, I mean, I learned this from roots when I was a kid. What about the selling of one parent or another and intentionally splitting those families apart?

That happened. And it doesn't, it didn't say that slavery was horrendous. It didn't try to gloss over any of that. But what our essays, essays tried to portray is that we were not totally defined by oppressive circumstances. Frederick Douglass said that when he finally fought against his slave master and beat him, he said on that day I was a man who was a slave

instead of a slave that was a man Right Right And so what we tell Is that when whites were at their worst We were at our best There were 20 blacks who were born slaves Who died millionaires

We tell the story of how they achieved that We tell the story Have you seen the latest I interrupted Have you seen the latest edition of Booker T. Washington's up from slavery? No, I haven't. Okay, so I have original copies, and then I have one that was printed back in the 90s, I think, that says... I read it, but I didn't see the later.

In the forward, yeah, look, in the forward, in the 90s, it started to say some scholars are not sure that this is entirely a true story, that he was an actual slave. the new one says this is a work of fiction. A work of fiction, Bob. Well, again, 1619 revised our history. We're not surprised at that. But our scholars in our essays document the fact that in 1920 to 1940, the education gap in the South routine whites and blacks closed within six months. from three years or six month because of the 4,800

Rosenwald Bookerty schools. So we have, our essays have all of these successes documented. Vinnie Mason, a woman who was born a slave at 1818 and walked behind a wagon out to Salt Lake City and then ended up in LA and purchased property and died a millionaire. She was the founder of the AME Church. So again, we tell there are five black high schools, Glenn, at the turn of the century in all of our five major cities that had used textbooks, 50 students to a class, and half the budgets of white schools. But every one of those black high schools out tested all of the white schools in those cities. So it is important for not only black children to understand how we're not.

we achieved against the odds under these circumstances but all of America needs to know that blacks were never defined by oppression that it was by resilience and perseverance in the

presence of open. These are important messages that our essays in red, white, and black tell. We are we're told now that Asian Americans are just embracing the white lie, and they are, they're working hard, and that's why their grades are so high.

I have news for you. They're not stealing anything from me or my white neighbors. I mean, I look at Asian families and say, what is that family doing that I should be doing? You know, it is a cultural thing. and when it's a good cultural thing, we should try to emulate it. I don't care what it is they're doing, but they believe in education.

And some of the Asians that I know might be a little intense with their kids on their education, but it is a friend of mine and I were just driving down the street and we were just talking about it. A friend has a child that he just drives and drives and drives and drives and drives and drives. And we were talking about how he was almost

Asian in his in his stance or is the way he was doing things and we discussed so is that a good thing or a bad thing to drive your kids that like that not about race theory says that

meritocracy is racist correct and and what they're doing though is in the name of equity they're dumbing down the standards correct look if race says it Glenn And if racism were the biggest culprit in America, then how do you explain the fact that 3.5 million black Africans and blacks of Caribbean descent have a higher marriage rate than whites, higher education,

higher income, almost non-existent in our prisons? You'd be hard-pressed to find a Nigerian or Ghanaian in our jails. Why is it that racism passed over them? I don't why isn't it why isn't it a problem elsewhere I mean I was I was talking to a good friend of yours

I'm trying to remember his name he's in Africa a great guy he was a he was a pastor here in America and he talks about how America how American blacks look at America

he said come over here to Africa where you know blacks he said until recently everyone knew America was the best chance of success for any black person anywhere in the world, it doesn't get better than this, generally

speaking. He said now he's afraid that Americans have so bought into this and are just sharing this everywhere that they are actually they're spreading that lie all around the world. Well, when you have your

secretary, UN representatives saying America is a racist country, That's in Iraq. But again, I tell you, I am full of optimism, I guess because I spend most of my time walking among some of the greatest heroes in America. That is my low-income grassroots Josephs who have overcome challenges much more difficulty than anything racial. And it is because of their resilience and their, their, their, example of

perseverance and also their steadfastness that I am enthusiastic about the future. Bob, if people wanted to get involved with you, how do they do it? They can get a website

is Woodsoncenter.org or go on our 1776 Unites with an S.com and there's a don't button, but you can also, my book, Lessons from the Least of These is out, and it gives you a step-by-step understanding of how to properly understand the race and poverty situation, and you can also volunteer with us. So just, but your listeners should help us. come and join us

okay Bob I'll have somebody in my office reach out you reach out to us when you want to put that together I will dedicate the airtime to you and I'd love to hear these I'd love to hear from these women

love to hear from them we'll make that happen you got it as always my man God bless you as always God bless you just a reminder I'd love you to rate and subscribe to the podcast and pass this on to a friend so it can be discovered by other people.