The Glenn Beck Program - Ep 121 | 'Welcome to Anarchism, Glenn' | Michael Malice | The Glenn Beck Podcast

Episode Date: October 16, 2021

Buckle up, this one is a wild ride. Author of "The Anarchist Handbook" and podcast host of "Your Welcome" Michael Malice wants to burn it all down, peacefully and with a smile. “My rights are NOT up for discussion,” he tells Glenn. He explains why his version of America will save America. He and Glenn also discuss why corporate media is shrinking, why Boomers love Martin Luther King Jr., how Trump earned the spite vote, and why gun control is officially solved. But how does anarchism solve the China problem or potential nuclear threats? Somehow, he has the answer. He also tells Glenn how a concept like Blaze Media brought down the Soviet Union and why, in spite of anxious talk of "national divorce," he has so much hope for the future.    Sponsor:  Pre-Born partners with clinics in the highest abortion-rate cities and regions. They have a passion to save babies, and to see these women come to Christ. Over the past 15 years, they’ve counseled over 340,000 women considering abortion: more than 169,000 babies have been saved, and over 51,000 women have surrendered their lives to Christ. To donate, dial POUND 250 and say keyword “BABY” or go to PreBorn.com/Glenn.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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to create one? Do we have to have one? That's the important question at the center of anarchism. A few years ago, the idea of, of anarchism was unthinkable. It still is if you just think about the anarchists up in Portland.

But there's another side of that. People are sick of the state. Government overreach has gone way too far. Individual liberties are being stolen right out in the open. Just ask the Australians. And we're pretty close to that. The state is supposed to provide stability, or at least the illusion of stability. governments are instituted among men to protect those rights but that's not happening hasn't been for a long time and everyone is catching on all over the world people are rioting and protesting you never see it here because they want you as an american to feel like you're alone but this debate this movement is happening globally we're in the middle of a moral crisis and the premise of anarchism is that the state is an attack

on morality right or wrong it is about standing up to corrupt power today's guest describes himself as an anarchist I love him the libertarian right loves him anarcho-capitalists especially love him a lot of people including Joe Rogan so-called communists not so much not so much mostly because he speaks out about the evils of communism because he knows communism, unlike his Twitter communists. He escaped from the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic when he was a kid. His third and latest book, The Anarchist Handbook, is a collection of some of the most important anarchist writings.

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many batches of honor yeah you always are diminutive, if you will. Yes, I'm 4-11. Are you, no, you're not. Don't ruin my, you're like, I mean, I mean, the, you are. Look at our mics, yeah. I know, and if you look at the picture of the screen, I look like an enormous giant. Well, that's because you've been eating all that KFC, Mr. Sanders.

I have been. I have been. I've let myself go. I'm thrilled to have you on because you, you know, I was, I'm good for you. friends with Penjolette. I would live in a country run by Pendgillette or not run by Pendgelat at any time. I think he's a good moral man and he's an anarchist. Yes. And a man of peace. I remember my friend Maddox had been on his show and they had clowned him pretty hard and Maddox tweeted at him and Penn just said, I don't remember this, but if I

hurt your feelings, I sincerely apologize and I'm sorry if it brought you harm. And I'm sure he meant And that's his personality. He was on Howard Stern like 20 years ago. And Gary Delabody said, you know, once you held me down, it tickled me. And it really, you're a big guy. It kind of bothered me. And he goes, I'm very, like he was obviously hurt by it. Oh, no, yeah.

He's a really decent man. And I think when you, when people think of anarchists. Yeah. And by the way, I just want to say, please, I don't want to go to prison because I interviewed you. Do you know what I mean? Sure. Because I think we're, we're close to that. We're all just going to be rounded up and locked into prison.

Well, I'd be working for those guards because I'm looking up for number one. So if I got to turn that diamond turn you in, Glenn Beck. I'm not going to hesitate. I'm not going to be a question. And I'll lock you in that cell. I'll wave at you. It wasn't. I was for peace.

He was just saying violent. He was making me say violent stuff. He was threatening the vice president. Most people think of an anarchist and they think of the black flag and they think of the morons up in, well, I'm sorry if that offends you, but the morons up in Portland that are just setting things on fire. You mean Mayor Wheeler? Well, yes, yes. And, you know, you look at there seems to be a lot of hate and just destruction.

And I think that's great. Well, no. You don't hate the state? You don't hate an organization that keeps people from being able to say goodbye their mom as she's dying in the hospital. You don't hate an organization that tells a little girl she can't have a lemonade stand because she doesn't have a license You don't hate an organization that tells people they can't protect their families in their home despite what says in the Constitution? I do Okay, so I do as well. I don't know if I would classify it as hate in this case because I don't think we should go out and firebomb things. Okay, I just don't. I think we are way off. I don't think so either just to be clear. Okay. Okay. Except you've got TNT on your lapel.

Yeah, well, you got a skull and crossbones on your shirt. Well, I wore that for you. I mean, I thought. This is a secret society. When they round you up, that's not going to help you. Oh, I wore it for him. No, really? You made me do it. Malice made me do it.

I know the bushes. I'm okay. The things that we see on the streets of just burn it down. Explain what an anarchist. wants. Explain what the utopian view. The utopian view is that the Constitution is going to restrain government, despite 200 years of evidence to the contrary. That's the utopian view. It's completely delusional in contract history. The anarchist view is, you do not speak from me. And everything else is application. The reason I put together the anarchist handbook is a collection of historical essays

by various anarchists of the past is, as I say in the back cover, the black flag comes in many colors. So anarchism has historically been a doctrine of revolutionary terror. An anarchist made Teddy Roosevelt president. In Russia, certainly anarchists were bomb throwers. In Britain, the word anarchist is synonymous of terrorists. There's that sex pistol song. Anarchy in the UK, they're referring to, I Want to Destroy Pastors Bies, the lyric. But anarchism is also a ideology of peace. It is an ideology that says authority is not legitimate, that the idea that someone who wins a popularity contest is going to have any kind of say over my life is a joke. And the only reason we even consider this ludicrous philosophy of authority as legitimate is because we've

been taught to the contrary in government schools since we were children. So far, I agree. So far I agree. So anarchism just means not having a belief in the state and believing as well that a voluntary society, a peaceful society is the optimal one. But it's not utopian in the same way if I sat here and said to you, I'm going to cure cancer. We would both think that's a great goal. Doesn't mean there's not going to be murders. There's not going to be other diseases. There's not going to be problems.

There's not going to be hurricanes. And by the way, Joe Biden has already made the promise that he's going to cure cancer. Yeah, yeah, right. So, well, first, he should cure incontinence. But it is basically the idea that authority is inherently ill. legitimate and I do not understand how anyone I do understand but I think it's unfortunate that people can look at the status quo and say this system is the best we can do well I would kind of fall where Churchill was it's the worst but it's the best one we have right now but Churchill

got his ass hand to him by FDR and Truman and Stalin and you saw what happened to Britain as a consequence of World War II was completely marginalized and then he got voted out in favor of Clement Attlee, who introduced the welfare state. So maybe Churchill wasn't as smart as, you know, historically we think. Well, I mean, as people, you know, the idea, I think the, would you say the founders were anarchists? No. They were not. Of course not. The founders were hardcore centralizers of government. They increased the power of what became Washington to a enormous degree. Correct. But the original idea of the Declaration of Independence. Right. we're going to build this, then the Constitution is how to, and that's been violated from the

beginning. I mean, it just... No, the article's a confederation were how-to. The Constitution was a centralization and an illegal one. This is, go. But, yeah, I mean, you're the thing I like about you is that you're a student of history, and I like a lot of conservative pundance who just think Obama was the worst president we've ever had. This, by the way, this is how you know if a conservative is worth listening to. Ask them who's the worst president, Woodrow Wilson or Biden or Obama. If they waffle or if they hesitate, There's not even a cool. Thank you.

I love the fact that you and A. Woodrow Wilson as much as I do. It's not even a question. There's no one even close to him. FDR was at least tried to fix America. He was not an idealogue in the same way that Wilson was. Wilson is why we're in the situation we're in today. Wilson was why the Soviet Union was in the situation was today.

Wilson is why Germany was in the situation was today with Hitler. All of it. Wilson was kind of Rousseau made incarnate. He was really, you know, he regard himself as a messianic figure. He said he was here to save the soul of the earth, and that is Antichrist, basically. I'm not a religious person incarnate. But that's a big separate issue. We're taught in schools two very contradictory things, right?

We're taught that the Constitution was this great idea that is a result of checks and balances. It was almost impossible for the federal government to do anything unless everyone sat down and agreed with each other, right? This is the story we're told. At the same time, we're told, well, we had something called the article of the Federation, but it didn't work because people couldn't get together and do anything. The Arles Confederation worked exactly how the Constitution is claimed to have worked. And then the Constitution came in and strongly centralized power over what had gone before. And as the anti-federalist sworn to the time, it was despite the talk of state's rights, they have created a Leviathan and we're seeing it to this day. So what about the argument that they made at the time?

The trade between the states, the currencies, et cetera, et cetera. Should we have been just, I mean, because really, the 13 colonies were more like Europe in 1960. Or Central America today, in a sense. They were kind of poor. They really were mostly some north was more mercantile, south was farmers. I'm not going to say it's easy to have hindsight. Yeah. 2020.

But we have 200 years of data. And, you know, one of the essays in The Anarchist Hamburg is by Lassander Spooner, and that one quote he has, the one that everyone likes, which is the Constitution is either authorized such as government as we have had or have been powerless to prevent it. In either case, it's unfit to exist. So what do you replace it with? Freedom.

You replace it with a voluntary society. The idea that, you know, people who go to, no one, it's no Republican. People sit and think the choice is a Republican or Democrat. And at the same time, every conservative understands that Mitch McConnell does not care about you, that Mitch McConnell is and will always be far closer to Nancy Pelosi than to the people of Kentucky. And that's whoever is the majority or minority leader. George Carlin has that line. It's a big club, and you ain't in it.

And this has been going on for a very long time. Even when conservatives talk about how great it was when Reagan sat down with Tip O'Neill, they still exploded the budget at the time. I mean, Reagan was a great president, especially in international affairs. But in terms of spending, this was the big kind of deal with the devil. Right. Like, I'm going to get my tax cuts and you guys get your spending increases and we both go home and sell it to our voters and everyone wins. But the people who lose are the American people. And we also saw it under Trump.

What he had, like $7 trillion to the national debt. It's a quarter of the national debt. And now the Democrats are correctly throwing in the Republicans' faces. They're saying, you're going to be a fiscal constrict. now, where were you when you guys had the congressional majority? There was not even an attempt. No one is even talking about cutting one cent from Obama's budget. If President Trump said, we're going to go back to the budget from before Obama was in president, 2008, he would have no votes. And that is how Washington works and will always work. It always increases. One hand

washes another and never decreases. So a big aspect of anarchism is very strong, centralization. Then it becomes, wait a minute, we can't do that because China's going to invade. China has invaded Canada. China has invaded Britain. This Chinese boogeyman, and I'm not saying the Chinese, they're a very evil country. They definitely have world designs. That's not even a question. But to say that we have to live our lives to do the opposite of whatever China wants is in effect to let them lead us. And I do not want to be led by the Chinese or by the Washingtonians. Okay, so with George Washington's farewell address, if we would have done those things, we would be in a lot better shape today.

Sure. If, um, wait, so it went off the rail in the 1700s. You're admitting this. No, I, no, no, no. I think, I think by 1830, America was gone, completely gone by what they would have thought was America. Yeah, yeah. And we were, I mean, people forget, free speech was a felony under Adams. Oh, I know.

The ink on the Constitution wasn't even dramatic. However, they reversed it, and their conversation about free speech is fantastic today. They came back and the arguments were, wait, even if it's a lie about the government, they have a right to say it and print it because we can't tell them what, no, that's not true. We can't be in that position. I mean, their freedom of speech arguments, under Adams, fantastic, fantastic, and should be read by everybody today. Yeah, but my rights are not up for discussion or for argument, let alone a vote.

So the claim that Congress is in a position somehow to sit down and adjudicate whether it's acceptable for me to criticize them is obscene. But that's what they were saying. That's what that was the... But they were in that position to have that discussion. I don't want those men to sit there and feel that it's up to them to discuss whether I have rights or whether I don't have rights. They do not have that right. I agree with you. I agree with you. I agree with the idea that we're all in doubt with rights and there's not a limited number of

rights. It's an endless number of rights. I agree with that. The problem is, and help me out with this, there's a lot of people. I mean, you know, um, If you, if you, if you don't look, anybody who says man is naturally good is somebody I could pretty much dismiss as an idiot. Correct. Okay. Our nature, we're animals. That's exactly correct. They're not naturally good.

Naturally, human beings are basically animals. Animals are often kind and animals are often cruel. Correct. And so what are you going to do to restrain the animals, when they get any kind of power at all. Well, you have to make sure they don't get power. Now, how do you do that? You do that by having things decentralized.

You do that by not electing demagogues and not having paths for demagogues to... That's not what people do. People, bad people, bad people, stir people up to get them into the tribal mindset and then we go conquer that tribe and then take it over. You know what I mean? That's a big concern.

and this is a big issue why free speech is so important. It's very easy and has been for 200 years if you have a kind of a cabal having control of the megaphone and the microphone to dictate what the conversation is and isn't anything outside of that

this network couldn't have existed 20 years ago, right? Because you're going to have ABC, NBC, CBS. There were three different flavors of progressivism. You could go at home, turn on the evening news, feel like you're making a choice. Noam Shomsky was also an anarchist. He's a hardcore left anarchist. I'm going to bungle the quote, but he says the way that they have control is having very intense debate within strictly limited parameters.

So now, thanks to social media, thanks to the decentralization of microphones like these, anyone, including some random jerk from Texas like myself, who has an opinion, is now in a position to go toe to toe with one of the apparatchiks from the New York Times. and on the screen we look equal because I have a blue check and now different people. And here's the thing. This is why we have people who are on this side of liberty have a big advantage. There's an enormous asymmetry between truth and lies. If I'm your good friend, which I am, and I tell you a thousand truths and I tell you one lie, it's not like I give you a thousand. Correct. The trust is lost.

So if you're presenting yourself as an organization, which is the newspaper of record, all we do is print facts. As soon as you're caught in one mistake, people are suspicious. But when it becomes a pattern, oh, you're manipulating me, you're lying to me. And once trust is lost, it's almost impossible to regain. And that is why these people are back on their heels. They don't know what to do about it because for the first time in decades, they're being called on their dog crap, and they don't have the mechanism to resolve this.

Because historically, what they're in position to do was ignore these people, would be just crazy letters to the editor. I'm sure you got crazy letters all the time, and you can ignore them. That's fine. But now, these people who are calling you out, you can't just dismiss them as crazy because people who are open-minded, like, wait a minute, he has a point.

Maybe this guy's a jerk, but he's really pointing out a mistake you're making, or at best mistake. Why are you pretending this wasn't, and we just saw this the other day with Joe Rogan when he had Sanjay Gupta on his show, the CNN's chief medical apparatchik, and called him on his crop.

And the guy, you would think, If he had like Biden on or Kamala Harris, they'd be able to tap dance because politicians are good at being called in the craft. Joe does it. Joe's really great at it. He does not get enough credit of how fast he had been historically on his feet. I remember there was one video when he's called a gaff. He had someone there. He goes, why don't you stand up and let everyone give you so everyone can see you? And the guy had been in a wheelchair. And Biden immediately pivots. And he goes, oh, how silly of me. You know what? We're all going to stand for you. And he got the whole audience. And that's how. quickly he caught himself. He was very good of that. But Dr. Gupta was terrible because he goes to CNN offices, talks to CNN people, goes home in his car, and never has to interact with the Hoy-Polloy. But now, as corporate media share of the market is shrinking, they can't make best-sellers within their ecosystem. They have to go out to the blogs, to the podcast, to the internet, where all the energy and the intellectual momentum is, and that's when they're exposed because they're not in their little fortress where they're immune from criticism. So here's where we have a real problem in the

country, I think, is we have the politicians who know they're in trouble. They know they're in trouble. Then you have the media who knows they're in trouble. It's to some extent. Some are very delusional, I think. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But anybody who has open eyes can see on the horizon, it's not going to end well for us. And then you have social media and Google that temporarily rarely need some things from the government and the government knows I'll give you these things if you help me control these people and they're all colluding together and it is a and they're doing it with big banking now because of cryptocurrency we are in the we're in a fight of the titans you you missed the source of the poison who are you missing in that picture where is the

poison start who is the big villains here that you left out the universities. Oh, yeah, okay. The universities is where the toxic poison starts. I was thinking more of George Soros, but I thought now you... No, it's the universities, because the universities train all those other outlets to be shock troops for the progressive militia. So once people who are red-pilled and who are skeptical of this kind of overclass start turning their guns, I'm not speaking literally, on the universities, that's when the jig is up for them. And what's amazing is, as humorless, self-righteous, pompous, and obnoxious as corporate journalists are, they fare better in all these metrics than college professors.

If you see how they speak on Twitter, Lawrence Tribe is a great example. You would think he's a, I think, a dean or he's high up at Harvard Law. On paper, Harvard Law professor, we know this guy's going to be brilliant. I mean, you matter what his politics are, this guy's no dummy. But when you look how he tweets, it's like everyone's boomer grandma on post. on Facebook. There's no sophistication there. There's just pure emotionalism. And when you see how these people are exposed, you're a big fan of the Wizard of Oz, pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. Once that curtain's pulled back, it's like, wait a minute, I'm deferring to this

guy, he's a buffoon. He might be very bright in terms of the law, but in terms of this political analysis, there's no one home. And that is why I'm so hopeful and optimistic about the future this country because in the 50s, when you went to high school, going to university was the... You're three-six, aren't you? I'm shrieg. This table is either getting bigger or you're getting smaller. But going to college was the GI Bill. This was a big accomplishment for so many Americans.

My son went to college. My daughter went to college first in our family. This was a big step up for many Americans. Now people are realizing, wait a minute. First of all, there's alternatives. Why am I wasting four years of my life, throwing money down the drain when I can start a business online, and I get my resume. So these are two paths that are being built right now to getting good resume and skills. But second, my daughter, who is this beautiful kid who loves me, we have fun at Thanksgiving, goes off to Columbia, comes home as a swamp waller who's unrecognizable.

Why am I doing this to my family? Right. And turning Americans against the university system, not against intelligence, not against education, specific that to university. system is really going to be the next step and they're not going to see it coming and it's going to be absolutely beautiful. One of the things I propose, just one quick thing quickly, is to seize all university endowments and distribute that money as reparations because that turns two big elements of the left against each other and that is where the mayhem and where I kind of thrive. But wouldn't that for an anarchist, wouldn't that be the worst thing to do to seize somebody's property?

Yeah, I'll bite that bullet. Okay. All right. And you're dead serious. Oh, yeah. Yeah. All right. All right.

So how is it going to happen with the universities? You say they're not going to see it coming. I'm not suggesting, do you see this? Because I think we're running out of time. I think a giant cage is being made for America and the world. The cage has been there for a long time. Yeah, I agree with that. So it's not being made.

it had been made. You're seeing it out. But you're, I think you are seeing, you remember the Johnny Cash song one piece at a time? Sure. Okay. I think that's, it's been happening for a hundred years. Correct.

It's been a hundred years. Right. And, but now they're just throwing in the final pieces here, you know, the financial stuff, the great reset stuff is terrifying. Sure. And it's going to take an event or the economy tanking, which is on the horizon.

Something's going to happen in. It's locked down. We had lockdown and we survived it, don't you get it? So it's always better. Martin Luther King, who I know boomers love him, so I kind of hesitant to quote him, but something that he did very effectively and why he won is that he forced racists to go face to face with the consequences of their racism. He said, look, you can hate black people, you could think we should be Jim Crow,

all that, so and so forth. Are you comfortable with men and women in suits who are standing there to be attacked by dogs and fire hoses and cops. Is this really what you're comfortable with? And there's many people who were still racist, who are still prejudiced, were like, you know what? That's too much. I'm not for this.

Gandhi and Martin Luther King had that. And they were like, I can be prejudiced and think the races are separate, but this is not what I'm for. Correct. So it's all, and using force is always more expensive. First of all, the people who are implementing the force are putting themselves in danger,

which most people don't want to do. And second, people who are in the middle. And, you know, you and I are political animals, but we realize most people shouldn't want to care about politics, just want to live their lives, feed their families, go their jobs. If they turn on the TV and they see authoritarian force, many of them will love it, because as Mencken said,

the average man does not want to be free. He simply wants to be safe. But many of them are like, wait a minute, you don't have to be Republican, Democrat, liberal, whatever. In Canada, as I'm sure you've covered in the show, they were arresting pastors for having a church service. You do not have to be a Christian to turn the TV on and be like, wait a minute.

How do we get to this point? Justin Trudeau won in a re-election. He got the same exact number of seats as he did. I'm not saying this hope for Canada, by the way. What I'm saying is in America where we actually have a semblance of freedom, people who do not have political persuasions see things like this and they recoil. So I would agree with you if we hadn't have just gone through and still going through two years of lockdown. Vaccine mandates that it's not even a lot.

It's not even a little note from the president. and you have people following the vaccine mandates. Oh, I'm not saying it's great that we have vaccine mandates. What I'm saying is it's always preferable when authoritarian have to show their hands and use force than when they use persuasion because it becomes costlier for them. And just like buying a car, at a certain point, if things become too expensive, they stop doing it. When the cost of anything outweigh the benefits, you stop doing it. Prohibition. Prohibition is a great example.

At a certain point, the violence, especially toward the violence, towards police, became so expensive that the cops were like, we're not doing this anymore. I'm not getting shot because someone wants to have moonshine. And the law, the constitution, there was that senator, I forget his name, who said it'll be easier for a hummingbird to fly to the moon with the Washington monument tied to its tail than that prohibition be repealed. And it was repealed within, what, 12 years?

Yeah. Because the costs became too expensive. And that is what's going to end up happening. a certain point, people are going to be like, we're not doing this, and it's just going to ratchet up, and I think we're going to win. So does it concern you, though, I mean, because I agree with you, but we're living now in a different world. We're living in a world where AI is playing a bigger role. Surveillance is off the charts. Sure.

I mean, you know, you turn this country dark, which I think we're there. I mean, Afghanistan showed me we are not the country. I always hoped that we were. You turn this country loose to, you know, people who just want power. We're going to make the Nazis look like rookies. But we've had, I mean, we've had this for 100 years. Which president didn't just want power? I mean, do you really think FDR, like we said earlier, maybe Warren Harding didn't?

I don't think Calvin Coolidge did. Well, he fell into the White House by accident, basically, because he was, you know, this lucky guy. But he was great. But especially Congress people, they certainly want power. Washington has always wanted more and more power. They'll say something to the contrary to your face. But the problem is, and help me, because, you know, you could talk me into being an anarchist. If it's like Penn Gillette, I could go there.

So. But I, you know, the problem has been they, they. defanged the Senate from being a protector of the states. Right. Woodrow Wilson changed everything, taxes, the way we consume news, absolutely everything. And so they there's no, and right now there's no balance of government. They so what? Who foresaw a branch saying, oh, I don't want my power.

I just want to sit here, you go do all of that. The idea was that these three branches were supposed to protect their turf. Congress just gave it up. Just gave it up. And really, so is the Supreme Court. I mean, so. I'm not saying the question. You're not going to find solace through Washington.

Like, you're certainly, as an anarchist, I'm not going to say Washington is going to have the answers. And conservatives have recently realized if you're fighting the battle of Washington, you're fighting in the fourth quarter. because by the time it gets, Washington's the implementation of it. The ideas start the universities. They're promulgated through government schools and public school teachers as well as to the entertainment system. So by the time people are making a decision in the ballot box, it's already, it's a better done deal. We've been saying, can I just say one thing? You bring a Penn Gillette.

But your conservatives are engaged in falling from misdirection because you think the battles between Pelosi and McConnell. I don't. No, I'm just saying they often do. I think, well, we've got to get the Republicans in. As long as we get a Republican Congress and president, we're going to. going to be win. And then when they have that, they're like, well, what happened? At best, the Republicans are just to slow the destruction down. They're a speed bump at best. You know my quote, conservatives and progressivism driving the speed limit. So the Democrats are going to, this is how it happens. It's happening right now.

The Democrats say we're going to add $3.5 trillion. And then the conservatives say, let's make it $1 trillion. Right. Oh, how embarrassing. I only got to spend $1 trillion. You got to. You conservative. They're like, yeah, that's great. I mean, you're laughing, but that's the farce. No, I know it is. I know it is. There's not been one department that the conservatives have even tried to repeal. You would think at least they would do it just to get their base excited. Like, oh, we're going to repeal Department of Energy. Like, come on, vote for us. Give us donor money. It's not even a pretense. No, I know. I think the only kind of president that would be worthy to would be able to,

change anything would be the guy who, but he'd never be elected, would be the guy who says, see all these departments, I close them all. See the rents for all the property in Washington, D.C. You should sell now because when I get in, that's all going away. All of that's going away. And whoever owns a house in this area, you're going to have a hard time selling it because I'm shutting it all down. Yeah, but your beloved constitution means he doesn't have the power to do that because he's not going to be able to get that through Congress. No, he can, shut down the administrations, that's the administrative state. Sure, but I mean, they're going to be able to over, they're going to have the supermajorities

to override him. The budgets are going to be, the money's still going to be spent. They're going to impeach him and get him out of there. What I'm, what I said to you is it would never, it would never happen. No, but even if it did happen, he still wouldn't be able to implement what you asked for. Even if he got voted in and he said all those things, how is he going to get it through the system? He would, he would have to be unlike when Donald Trump was a, and it was amazing. How much he exposed.

He was just like a walking hand grenade. Yeah, you know what I mean? And it was great. Yeah. It was great. He'd throw a hand grenade into a room and a wall would come down. And everybody would be arguing about that.

And you'd be like, wait, wait, what's in that other room where we didn't know the wall was coming down? I mean, he exposed a lot. He forced them to go off script and start doing improv. Correct. Because you never knew what was going to come out of his mouth next. The Republicans, oh, Nancy Pelosi, blah, blah, blah. Mitch McConnell goes in front of the camera and says with a straight face, or Kevin McCarthy, send me money, I'm going to fight those evil Democrats.

And people send them money, give us votes, sure. And Pelosi and AOC and Chuck Schumer say, send us money, we're going to fight those evil Republicans. And they do that, and they fight and nothing really happens as a consequence. And that's the script. It's like wrestling, right? It's a pantomime. Then Trump comes in.

You don't know what this loon's going to say next. And now they're like, wait, they're looking at each other. They're like, what are we supposed to do? And that's why both of them were against him. He went in alone and you can't do it alone. One guy can't do it. And the president shouldn't. I mean, the crazy thing is, is so many people were afraid of Barack Obama when he was in office because of the things he was doing.

And then the other half, when the next president comes in, the other half is afraid of what Donald Trump is going to do. That's a sign. This is broken because no president should be able to affect you like that. No president. No one person should be able to have that. But it's not broken. That's the way the system is supposed to work by design. It's supposed to work for the sake of the politicians.

So how do you, okay, so let's just talk about. And can I just say one more thing because this thing is key? Because it's not just about spending money. You know, if we waste money, like worse things have happened. Let's just talk about the depravity of the ruling class. Amy Roerbach got caught on a hot mic talking about how she had all the goods and Jeffrey Epstein, right? And ABC News was exposed. The only person who suffered consequences that they were covering.

up for this like child trafficker was someone who was later at CBS who they thought accessed the file and they fought CBS fired the former ABC employee apparently incorrectly Kevin McCarthy I think he was either a house majority leader or house minority leader at the time fired off an angry letter demanding ABC say wait a minute you guys had the goods on this child predator and you sat on this you never called the authority answer me have you heard anything about that since no it's all for show. They don't care about the most depraved behaviors of people who are powerful. We're seeing that now in...

But now we're seeing it. 30 years ago, you wouldn't see any of this. Correct. 30 years ago, you and I, again, are both old enough to remember that if it wasn't for the internet, people would say with a straight face that Monica Lewinsky was a stalker who was obsessed with the president and these claims that he had an affair with someone who's his daughter's age, It's crazy, widely discredited Republican conspiracy theory. Until drudge opened the door and changed the world. Right.

So this is why I'm so hopeful, because now it's harder and harder for them to hide their depravity and malfeasance. Except it doesn't seem to matter to a lot of people. It doesn't. It's never a numbers game. I'm not a Democrat, meaning I'm not an advocate of democracy. The majority cannot reason. and they're going to go with the winners, whoever the winners are. Look at Nazi Germany.

I know, I know. I know. But there, you know, Gandhi, Martin Luther King, they were appealing to the Judeo-Christian Western civilization ethic. Sure. You know what I mean? And Bonhofer did the same thing, but it was dead in the Germans already. That was closed. They had no Judeo-Christian ethic anymore.

by the time Bonhoeffer and Hitler were there. And we're headed that direction. I mean, I saw something terrifying last night. The new robotic dog, you know, automatic sniper rifle. It's like we are not the people that should have anything like that. We are headed towards real trouble. That ethic has to be there. How do you...

How are you going to enforce lockdowns if everyone has a robotic dog? No, I mean the Pentagon with a robot. Yeah, what I'm saying is at a certain point this technology becomes democratized and popular accessible. I mean, the fact that America, Australia, I was on Elijah's show a couple weeks ago, Australia has settled, in my view, and I think the view of pretty much everyone listening to this show, the gun control issue forever. Because the answer to gun control isn't the NRA, it isn't arguing about gun control. It's a gun proliferation, proliferation.

Because once there's a certain amount of guns in the population, you're not getting them back, and everyone who's trying to enforce those laws realize, wait a minute, if I go knock on those doors, the odds are pretty high that I'm going to have this AR point in my face, so I really better be careful of what I do. So the best way to fight law impotement isn't through discussion. It's by making it, you sure you want to do this? Because it's not going to be easy for you to pull your crap. And that's what America has demonstrated historically and what we're demonstrating now. I mean, how many guns do we have in this country? It's wonderful, the more of the barrier. And I think some smart Republican is going to pass a lot. like we had before in the colonial period to have gun ownership be a mandate using the same kind of principles of Obamacare. If you don't want a gun, you could pay a fine, but everyone in this state or country or, I sorry, county has to be armed.

Okay, so wait a minute, wait a minute. As an anarchist, you know, I don't believe, and I know how you feel about the police and I want to get into that. Oh, sure. You sure you want to get into that? Yeah, I do. I do. I do. Sure. Because I look at the police as both good and bad, however, the police should not look the reason why we have police is because I can't do my job and watch my house and make sure somebody is doing I need I need somebody you need to be private no no no okay you need security you need security 100% everyone in security so the towns when we were a little we all got together and said let's hire this guy and he'll be our security and we'll all put in for

it sure okay but I can't give him a right to do things that that I can't do. I can have a citizen's arrest. I can hold them till, you know, we all get together and say, let's have a fair trial for this guy. I have those rights. The problem with the police is they take things that if I can't do it, they can't do it. No, the problem with the police that they're government monopoly. So the same reasons you're not for socialized medicine is why you should be against socialized private security or personal security. Whenever you have a government monopoly on any service, whether it's education, whether it's health care, whether it's security, you're going to have no accountability, you're going to have mass death, and you're going to have

enormous inefficiencies and costs. And they're also going to be a huge incentive for that organization to make sure the problem perpetuates because that's where their budgets increase. So we saw in last year how the people who, the police stood down while buildings are being burned down and people being killed, whereas when people try to defend their property, those are the ones that the police arrested. They bent the knee to Black Lives Matter and people who are back the blue were the ones who were locked in jail. Okay, but wait, I'm a guy who has had private security for 15 years. No one likes a show off. It has cost me an arm and a leg to keep my family safe. Sure. And I've had to do it. Sure. However, in those 15, 20 years that I've had this,

I have recognized that even the best security people will grow the threat, grow the business. You know, it's a private thing. So it still is exactly the same, even if it's owned by a private individual. It's not exactly the same because you're having very limited competition in this area. If you look at Uber, like you're at the point in the market where if I came to you 15 years ago and said, you know, we should have Uber. You'd be like, look, only the fat cats are going to have limousines. What about the regular people?

It's too expensive. If you make it easier for someone to become a security guard, someone, let's suppose someone's ex-military, right? Someone who is trained or has to pass some licensing. I'm not, I'm an anarchist, but still, there's ways to kind of make it not. So you're an anarchist, but there is some. No, I'm just, oh, no, you can have private licensing. That's an easy one, right?

It's just like you have kosher food. You know, I'm just saying to make it easy people to get to where I am, baby steps. To have a, the police right now don't prevent crime. They just show up at your house after you've been burglarized and take a report. And there's not even, you know, it's funny when you watch sitcoms, right? On sitcoms, a character

will be burglarized, the cops show up, they're like, we'll look around. Even in this imaginary world, there's not even any possibility you're going to get your stuff back. If security was private, right, completely privatized or much more market oriented, if you got robbed, that company who's responsible for your security

would pay you to give your stuff back. It's insane that this organization says, we're going to make sure that you're safe in your home. And then you're like, I got robbed and my kid got killed. Like, man, sucks to be you. Well, good luck with that. There's no accountability. There's no pretense that you're going to get what your tax money is paying for. So if you had it with a private system, if you had a competition within the security industry, just like with Uber, just like with health care, it would be a lot safer and there would be a lot more security. If you want to find a

cop, it's like the Bangle song, if you want to find a cop they're hanging at the donut shop, go to the mall. The places where security is private are the safest places. If you go to a bar full of young men full of testosterone and alcohol, it's going to be a lot

safer than the subway, public parks, and alleys, because those are the areas that the government has taken control of security. Whereas a building has a doorman. a hotel where everyone is a stranger, not local to the area. They can commit a crime and get out of Dodge. It's still safer for you in a hotel room than it is for you to be in Central Park.

I buy into all of this, but that's, you're driving a car that is going in the exact opposite direction of where it seems the world is going. Correct. The world is going to bigger and bigger. It's all going to fail. They keep doing the same thing and just making it bigger. Right. that's the that this is why we're going to win because they keep doing the same thing

they do not I hear this point they do not have the ability or capacity to change gears because they also don't have the ability to recognize what the problem is they're all talking in circles to each other the CNN in New York Times Harvard and DC so everything outside of this they want dismiss as either conspiracy theory white supremacists whatever word they want to use to kind of dismiss you not hear it but increasing number of of people are seeking alternatives to what we've all been trained to believe since we're children. And at a certain point, it's going to be very, very expensive for them to keep the lid on that pot. And at a point after that, people are going to be like, why are we buying into this crap to begin with?

This is America. Revolution is our heritage. I used to believe that. I don't know if I believe that anymore. But it's not a numbers game, Glenn. It's every society is made up of intellectual elites. and I know the word elite has some kind of negative connotations, but I mean people who are making talking politics, talking issues,

and everyone else follows along because the average person does not have the interest or capacity to think through these things. Just like you and I don't understand weather. We're not meteorologist. We're going to listen to the weatherman, you know, whatever. At a certain point, if you have enough public voices who are making things that make sense, that resonate with people,

it gets harder and harder for the power elite to impose their will because Trump was elected just out of spite. People went to that voting booth that said, you all told me, I effectively have to vote for this guy. I'm morally depraved if I don't. You know what? Screw you. I'm an American.

I'm going to do the opposite. And I think we had a big fallback with the lockdowns for sure. But there's plenty of people. And those are the ones who matter who are going to make things harder and harder for this crap to. And also, here's the other thing to be implemented. conservatives need to understand that it's not only the right where you need to look for sources for pushback unions have the postal office if there's any organization that if if vaccines are to fight COVID as they say the number one group that needs to be vaccinated would be postal workers they're literally going to everyone's house everyone so if they have a disease everyone's going to get it you would think the one most important group to be healthy with them but there's an exemption for them in a Biden's law. Right now we saw airline pilots are fighting back. We're seeing cops in Chicago. I'm sure you heard that story. They tell Lori Lightfoot. We're not doing this. So it's not always who you

think would be the allies who are going to be the organic allies when fighting authoritarianism. Oh, I think we're in this, we're in the, at least I am. I'm in bed with the strangest bedfellas. I mean, it's like, really? I didn't think that, I mean, we're supposed to hate each other. Right. That's what they want. Right. And I don't. Or I could hate you on certain issues. Sure, sure. And on this one, no. Yeah. But it's, but it's, again, I come back to the Bill of Rights.

If you can give me the Bill of Rights, do you agree? Just, give me 10 of the Bill of Rights. Just a second. It's the second one. That's the, I just need two A. Right. But just do you believe in these things? If you do, I'm in. I'm in. I can live. next to anybody. Just don't try to tell others what to do. Well, you could try to tell them. That's persuasion. Tell me what you want. Don't force them. Exactly. Well, that's the anarchist principle. So welcome to anarchism, Glenn. No, seriously, that's all it is.

It's like, do not force me to do what you want. You have to persuade me. So then how do you get the strange communist anarchists? Well, the original anarchists were communist. There's an essay in the anarchist handbook from 1867. So exactly 50 years before the Soviet Union was formed, Mikhail Bakunin, who was Marx's big rival for international communism

in the 1800s, correctly predicted and anticipated what the Soviet Union would look like, and his words resonate really strongly today because he talked about how we're going to have a reign of the scientific, and the people who have science on their side are going to be smart, and God help you

if you're not one of these science people. And when you read it now, it's just chilling. So they were wrong, in my opinion, because they thought absent the state, everyone's going to get along. There's not really going to be crime. There's going to be this kind of working together. That's not true at all in terms of their economic analysis. But that's where we were about when I was talking about, you know, natural man. You know, they're animals. And so somebody is going to, somebody's going to take it upon themselves to rule. But that's the thing.

Like when I go to the doctor's office, we're not equals. I listen to my doctor. If I want, I get a second opinion. If I, here, we're not equals. This is your house. I'm deferring to you. If I talk to my lawyer, my lawyer has authority over me. There's no reason there's going to be one person who is going

to represent you in terms of tax policy, foreign affairs, every issue under the sun. That makes no sense. Nor is one person intelligent enough to really have a sophisticated approach on all these different issues. Nor, you know, conservatives for years have been given a choice between Coke and Pepsi. They're like diabetics being given a choice in Coke and Pepsi and wondering why the feet keep getting cut off. The answer is to reject this entire system because that's got us where it is today.

And also, when you have respect for the people in Washington, when you think they're a lie that they're in a position to make decisions for you in your life, that means sending your kids off to wars that didn't need to be fought and having them come home either in people. pieces are not at all. And that is what respect for government means. It means war. It means death. It means strife. The alternative to that is freedom and peace. And that is why you resonate so much with Penn Gillette's perspective. How does it work? You know, you said, I love, I'll give you headache. No, I just, I mean, you're pushing me. And that's good. I like that. I mean, that's what I wanted in this podcast when I first started doing the podcast. So I want to talk to people that push me into thinking that are reasonable and, you know, have the same general worldview, but, but, you know, far as peace. Yeah. So let me go to peace. Yeah. You just told me that

China is a massive threat. Sure. So how does a group of anarchists, somebody who doesn't believe in military? I believe in, I mean, the Second Amendment was talked about a well-regulated militia. What did that mean? It meant everyone has arms and knows how to use them. Okay, so the difference is, and I'm just playing devil's advocates, I want to understand, the difference is, is that the Eisenhower farewell speech. Right.

We blew that one. Sure. You know, we didn't listen to his warnings on that. And he said, look, this is extraordinarily dangerous. And he knew what he was talking about. Yeah, he did. This is a dilettante. He was the leader.

He was the leader of it. He was, that's probably the last real honest speech I've heard from a president. Because he had nothing to gain on it. And he said, don't let this happen unless you're vigilant. Well, we weren't. But his point was, we're doing it because now things are over in 10 minutes. okay we can destroy the earth in 10 minutes right um so how does that's why he said we have to now have a standing military well all the things that he talked about the influence of the universities

the influence of of of of giant corporations that want war etc etc the the influence of politics and the pentagon sure they all happen and the CIA and the see don't even get me started on the CIA and now apparently the post office and the capital police are informants. And your neighbor. Yeah. So how do you respond to a threat like China? I mean, who would run the nukes? First of all, that's a good question.

This was a big issue during the 80s, right? Reagan, I talk about this in my forthcoming book. Reagan and Gorbachev, I don't know if you knew this, both independently were taken down to the bunker and ran through the simulation about if there was a nuclear attack. They could have just watched war games. Well, they both refused. Reagan, his aide said, I don't think he would have pressed the button. He was committed to, if they nuke us, we're not retaliating. It's like a trolley problem.

I'm not going to kill millions of Russians, even the Russian government kills us. And Gorbachev refused to press the button, even his simulation. He said, I'm not reciprocating. And neither knew this. So when they were having this negotiation, Reykivik, they both had their poker faces on as if they were two hawks. They were the two biggest doves. And Thatcher was apoplectic because Reagan at some point said,

hey, how about we both eliminate all nukes? And she's like, you can't un-invent something. And this is when Thatcher's mask dropped, she goes, how do you know Gorbachev wouldn't cheat? She goes, I would cheat. So this is a great 80s moment where you had these three figures, kind of a parallel to the 40s when you had Churchill, FDR, then Truman and Stalin, but these were far better people than those three.

So what do you do about the nukes? That's the same thing that happened with the end of the Soviet Union, right? You have to kind of lock them down. If we're at the point where the only issue is like working at the nukes, I'm sure we could figure that out when the time comes. It's going to be a tricky issue. There's no question. But it would require.

See, the thing is, we're talking about America. Sure. Okay. And America has this thing that we're going to, we're going to heal the world. And the temperature, thermometers are going to go down. That's the Wilson model. Yeah. Right. No. That's what always causes our trouble is when we say, we're going to do something and get the rest of the world to do it. So China's not going to do that. They're not going to heal the world and make the temperature go down by getting rid of coal plants. Not a possibility. Not a possibility. Not a possibility. not a possibility that they won't take their aggressive stance Taiwan, bye-bye.

They're going to, that's who they are, okay? So we can't just say, well, who controls the nukes, well, we'll have to negotiate that. You can't negotiate with Iran. You can't negotiate with China on that. I mean, we have been negotiating with Iran. I mean, we didn't do it successfully. Barack Obama paid them a lot of money. Donald Trump, in effect, did negotiation because he killed...

Remember that we quickly forget, when Trump killed that big Iranian general who was like the George Washington to the Middle East, oh my God, they're going to retaliate terrorism. I could do that. Then crickets. There's absolutely nothing happened as a consequence. Nuclear issues and international affairs are going to be complicated under any system. My big concern is to decrease America's bases all over the world, to eliminate the idea that if there's a problem anywhere, we need boots on the ground there, we were told by the corporate press that if we didn't have boots on the ground in Syria,

this is going to be another Holocaust, this is what they invoked, and that the Kurdish people were going to be exterminated. We heard nothing about it when that didn't happen. And it's amazing that all those people, those apparatchiks on those screens who are advocating for this, in arguing for saying that genocide would happen, they had no consequences for their lies in demanding that American soldiers put themselves in danger for the sake of people who, managed to do not well, but certainly weren't wiped off the face of the earth. Well, I will tell you, the Yazidis, many of the Yazidis and many of the Christians were moved by my organization.

Good. And we did it privately. I mean, they were in danger, but I agree with you that. But they weren't talking about the Yazidis. We were. I'm sure you saw that video of that Yazidi woman who was on the floor was at the Iraqi parliament when she said, they're coming to us, they're killing us, they're murdering us, and everyone else stood up with Saladari and put their heads down.

and it was a very disturbing to see. But no one, and they were the ones who were real danger, because they were people who have been around for thousands of years, their religion's very old, historical, you know, a very unique philosophy. It would have been fair for all of these hacks to bring up the Yazidi people who were genuinely in danger, who were generally in danger of being wiped out the face of the earth because there's so few of them. But no, they're talking because they want war, they want blood.

They get their, if it doesn't, if it bleeds, it leads, they get their headlines, the military people get their paychecks, and Liz Cheney gets into their house. I mean, how many, I have a hashtag on Twitter, hashtag limbs for Liz, because she wants, I want veterans to mail her their limbs because how many, how many corpses does this vampire need to fuel her ego and her paycheck? It's absolutely disgusting, this woman. How do you, why do you even like me? I mean, you are so extreme at. times.

Extreme just means consistent. You're not called extreme? Yeah, I am. You called extreme more than me. Yeah. Because I don't know. You're likable, I guess. I don't know.

That makes one of us. I always thought I... I never said I liked you. I just liked the platform. All right. Okay. All right. That's fair.

Oh, yeah. I'm burning every picture today. So this is done. After this, we're going to have the round table with Sarah. She's great. Great, her shoulders. We have a good reputation. That ends today.

That ends. Stu, he's in his office watching cartoons with a Sipicup. He's no. going on that's going to be over it's over and when I get in the plane I'm going to be on the no-fly list so it's going to be a busy day for me doing it's just every bridge burn just it's done can we talk about being an extremist because sure you know you know who hate extremists william f buckley it was his job to make sure there were no extremists in conservatism and the National View my favorite paleontology magazine still has as their slogan

standing a thwart history yelling stop. Well, Bill, some of us actually want to stop it instead of just standing there, shaking our fist impotently while our freedoms are being destroyed and America's being ruined. He is the great villain of conservatism, although he did a lot of good things too. What does America mean to you?

When you said America's being ruined? I sound like, I mean, it's hard because you're all nuance. I mean, you come out and you are very strong, strong on things, but there's a lot of, there's a lot to be filled in that people can't fill in by themselves because they've never heard this kind of thing before. You know what I mean? Well, that's one of the reason I put together the book. I was born the Soviet Union. I know. And one of the lines I always say is, I hate the government because I love my country. I love what America means. America is this ideal. You know, it's that, what Reagan talked about

this in his speech in 64, about that, you know, and later that shining, if we lose freedom here, it's done. There's nowhere else to go. We are that shining sitting on a hill, sitting on a hill. We are that beacon of hope for the rest of the world. We are the ones who show that a free people can be peaceful and make it happen. But it is because of those documents. I think it's despite those documents. We had this spirit before those documents. You think that before 1789? No, no. The pilgrims, the pilgrims had it. when they came over here, they started to have it. It was a different heart of cooperation.

I mean, the pilgrims came. They didn't take the land from the natives. They bought that land. They had the longest running peace treaty with Native Americans. I mean, and it kept, it grew into something, but it was a very spiritual thing that it grew out of. And then it, it peop. became, you know, not divine providence, but manifest destiny.

Sure. And that's the switch that flipped. But there's also, you have to appreciate the, and I hate this expression, I can't think of, there's no nice one for it, like the white trash. The Boston riots weren't made by, like, you know, people who would go to Harvard or like people go to Congress. These were like lower class people, uneducated, who were like, screw you. You coming from the king?

I don't care. I want to live my life. I want to, I'm not bothering anyone. You know, in Philadelphia, when it was a colony, they tared and feathered the king's emissaries who wanted to raise taxes. They're like, go on your boat, get the F back to England. We're not talking to you.

And they didn't know what to do about it because the people were just living in a quasi-anarchist way. They were getting along. They were farming. They trade with each other. No one had a problem. So that spirit of American, of America, is something I very much find,

certainly was in the Trump phenomenon. on when you had people who are mocked, you know, by they're uneducated, they're trash, those people are the real Americans far more than this European hoity-toity attitude that you're being promulgated through our university system. A hundred percent agree. However, those same people that fought the revolution that were farmers had been betrayed by Congress, not paid, you know, all of it. Shoeeless.

Shoeless Washington was the key to holding those guys together so there is some spirit that to me is the American spirit

100% is that moderating force that's that's personal there was no he didn't come down with an iron fist

he had earned the respect and could and could just look at people and say that's not who we are you know what I mean yeah um that's gone that's gone but that that to me is the American spirit of enough people standing up and saying shame on you yeah shame yeah I agree with you but that's dead so how do we get dead it's on life support it's not dead if we're still talking it's not dead and I think

we have to be very specific here just because they've been at this for a long time it's not that they're winning, it's that they have the momentum. Again, this has been built since Wilson and even a little bit before. Richard Eli, who was Woodrow Wilson's professor, started the American Economics Association in order to promulgate socialism through the universities. This has been going on for a very, very long time. And now, finally, the population has the tools to make a more level playing field, and they can't win on a level playing field because they do not have truth and facts on their side, which is why there's such a need for them to have a monopoly on the conversation and why they were having a meltdown for how many, 20 years, when Fox, just Fox was

creating, as if Fox is some kind of radical, you know, jihadi organization, even the existence of Fox was a threat to the hegemony. And now Fox is like the moderate compared to so many other organizations. Well, they say, I had to get off Fox. I had to get off Fox. I had to get off Fox. say Glenn Beck's got to go, got to go, got to go, got to go. Okay, so I went. And I started this. And now look at how many things, and now they've got to shut this down. Right.

Now they have to shut down anybody who is doing this because it worked. But they didn't, every week on, on, that was pretty ominous. No, sorry. Every week on Twitter, you see that, and I know Twitter is not real life, but you see the trending hashtag fire Tucker Carlson. And it's like if you fire him, you're still not going to watch Fox. Why would they like listen to you? What power do you have?

So, but this is a thing. Like you, this network could not have existed 20 years ago. Even technologically, even if you weren't a political network, the fact that if you were just talking about pets, to have mics, to have your own studio, to have an audience, to have the economics, to have the ads of the subscribers to pay for everything, it wouldn't have worked. as things go on and it becomes cheaper and cheaper to make your own production. Now anyone can do in their own house. It becomes harder and harder to have monopoly on the microphone. Tell me about it.

I'm the guy who bought a 50-year-old movie studio. Yeah. 10, 12, 11 years ago, I don't need this. Right. But this is what brought down the Soviet Union. Because at a certain point, that cynicism where people are looking at each other and be like, you don't believe this crap, do you? No, of course not.

Like, you know what it is? Here's another way that this is going to. how many videos have you seen on social media of some corporate journalist or some politician put the mask on when the cameras are on and then they take it off as soon. So when you see that, you don't have to have any view on vaccines or masks or COVID. All you have to do is look at it, be like, I don't know what's the situation on, but this person is clearly playing for the cameras. And it takes that little to get people to have that much contempt for the people who deserve

all of our contempt and much worse. So you're a, you sound like a real optimist. I am so certain that we're going to win. It's not even funny. Because look, but look who we're up against. These aren't impressive people. I know.

How can you look at AOC and think that she's an insurmountable foe? How can you look at Don Lemon and say, you know what, I can't win against this guy? He's just too smart and powerful. It's so bizarre because for years, Republicans just have it in their idea, and correctly, that they're the punching bag in Washington, because Democrats at Congress are 40 years straight. Their job was to kind of complain, but then just shut up and go home. They had no real power. And they kind of have this battered wife

syndrome. And then when Trump came along, like, wait a minute, if we can get this loon into the White House, who's a complete, who has no political experience, no one is going to know what he's going to do, if we have that ability, here's something else. That did change everything. Yeah. But That changed everyone. If I said to you in everyone listening to this in 2014, which of these two things is more likely? Texas will declare secession from America or Donald Trump gets elected president. Every single person would say Texas. And they would have been right to do. I mean, this is ridiculous.

It's not happening. And this did happen. So if that's possible, then to say. Anything's possible. To say. And there's a great deal of ruin in a nation. I forgot who that quote was. But look how bad Sweden got.

Look how bad many England. Britain, I can't wait for you to read my next book because that is about this point. Look at Britain in the 70s. They didn't have electricity. Horrible, yeah. And now look at them. It's not good, but it's certainly not done. But there was still a leader.

You know, the Americans were there in some degree still freedom exists and an engine was there. Sure. If our engine goes down, I mean. That's a big gift. Yeah, I know that. But, you know, you're not. You're not funding any kind of fossil fuels anymore. All that funding is going away.

We are not going for our own natural resources. All the cars that will be coming out, beginning 2025, they'll all be at least hybrid. By 2030, the entire fleet of everything except for possibly Bugatti, they haven't said yet, will be electric. Where are you plugging all those in? you know while reducing coal plants not funding new fossil fuels wind power is going to do that i mean if this engine stops and there's no innovation that's coming from here where is it coming from well i've only been living in texas since august and i still don't know how to drive so a lot of this is going to be lost on me let me be honest i i have been living here i've been living here i've been living here i've

I've been born a Texan, but I was living in New York all my life. In terms of what you're talking about, you're already, I agree that if the bad guys win, the bad guys win and it's over. What I'm saying is there is a lot of time between now and 2030. I don't know about the, it's specific about energy stuff, but in terms of pushback, and I think, and what I've seen is people are more radicalized than ever. They have more contempt for the elites than ever correctly. there was that poll from Gallup which showed trust in corporate media as an all-time historic low.

How do you undo that? You know, if someone cheats on you or they're beating their spouse, you can't unring that bell. You were from the Soviet. I know you're only two, but I know we're almost out of time. I haven't gotten to any of the stuff

I wanted to talk to you about. So will you come back in the first place? I didn't burn the bridge. You didn't bring the bridge. Dang it. I owe someone 50 bucks. I mean, people didn't believe, people didn't believe Pravda. They didn't believe all that crap in the Soviet Union.

Right. Right. And what happened? Well, eventually, 70 years later, it fell apart. It happened. There's that quote from Hemingway. How did you go bankrupt? Two ways, gradually, and then suddenly.

So these things happen much, look at the Arab Spring. Look at the Berlin Wall. My friend was, my friend was conceived under communist Czechoslovakia. It never entered his mom's head. that he'd be free, but he was born in a free Czechoslovakia. So I think this is America. We are so good. Look how quickly went from Malays to Reagan.

It was overnight. So we don't know who that leader is. I can tell you it's not going to be around DeSantis. I promise you he's not going to save this country, whoever people are thinking of. But the leadership does not have to come from politics. It comes on a local basis. It comes from anyone who has the capacity,

thanks to the internet, to become that figure who polarized, and radicalizes people and reminds them that you are Americans and being American means you do not bend the knee to Washington, except George Washington. You can come back now. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you so much, Glenn. Just a reminder, I'd love you to rate and subscribe to the podcast and pass this on to a friend so it can be discovered by other people.