The Glenn Beck Program - Ep 141 | Will Hunter's 'Laptop from Hell' END Joe Biden? | Miranda Devine | The Glenn Beck Podcast

Episode Date: April 9, 2022

In one of the most brazen flip-flops in recent history, the media finally admitted that Hunter Biden’s infamous laptop is real and damning. But they’re still playing defense for Joe Biden, argues New York Post reporter and columnist Miranda Devine. Having been there from the scandal’s start, Miranda joins Glenn to lay out what we know so far — from Hunter’s troubled childhood and disturbing adult life to his infamous business deals in Russia, Ukraine, and China, as documented in her latest book, “Laptop from Hell: Hunter Biden, Big Tech, and the Dirty Secrets the President Tried to Hide.” But while the White House and media insist President Biden has zero connections to Hunter’s scandals, Miranda makes the case that he knows all too well how corrupt the Bidens have become.  Sponsors: Don’t settle with your eyesight. Go BIG with Biometrical Intelligence Glasses from Better Spectacles, at https://BetterSpectacles.com/BECK If you want a drug-free and natural way to get your life back, try Relief Factor. Get the 3-week quick start to try for only $19.95 at https://relieffactor.com The ministry of Pre-Born and Blaze Media are partnering to help rescue 50,000 babies from abortion in 2022! Will you help rescue babies’ lives? To donate, go to https://Preborn.com/glenn Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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to the world entire. Trouvee de petitions like our own own.com. We are currently in the middle of a scandal of biblical proportions and yet it's pretty quiet on the Western Front. The Watergate of our time

is happening right now and like most scandals, it began with a mundane event, a MacBook Pro computer. repair shop in Wilmington, Delaware had a computer that just wasn't being picked up. On that waterlogged computer, there were 11 gigabytes of damning information, 22,000 emails ranging from 2009 to 2019. In October of 2020, mere weeks before the presidential election between Trump and Biden,

the New York Post published a smoking gun article exposing the whole scandal. almost immediately. Within a couple of days, 51 former senior intelligence officials, including John Brennan, released a statement saying that the New York Post reporting had all of the classic earmarks of a Russian disinformation operation. The only problem with that statement is it's reversed. The 51 people were the disinformation. Big tech platforms blocked people from sharing the stories, citing that it was hacked material, even though it wasn't.

It led to a coordinated suppression of the story, brushing it off as a conspiracy theory in Russian disinformation campaign. Twitter locked New York Post's account for two weeks before the election. NPR proudly told their audience they didn't want to waste their time on stories that aren't really stories. Really? The entire media parroted this. This looks like your classic disinformation campaign. Could actually be part of Russia's latest and very massive disinformation campaign in the U.S. presidential election. A Russian hack and dump operation.

A Russian operation. That is Russian misinformation. U.S. authorities are seeing if those emails we just talked about are connected to an ongoing Russian disinformation effort. This is a Russian misinformation campaign. A classic example of the right-wing media machine. The right-wing is going crazy with all sorts of allegations about Biden and his first. family too disgusting to even repeat here. Unbelievable.

So that's what they did. And then last month, I think it was on paragraph 24, the New York Times quietly admitted, oh yeah, that laptop thing is real. Except they're reframing the story now to have nothing to do with the president. Another lie. As a reporter and columnist for the New York Post, today's guest found herself in the middle of all of it. She's written a book, laptop from.

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Thank you for actually doing the work on all of this. Your book is tough to read at times. Well worth it, but it's hard to read. I got to imagine it was difficult to write and research. Look, it really was. I mean, there's so much disgusting material on there, for one thing, all of Hunter's porn and porn videos and so on.

But also, it's just a complete mess. And so to try and dig down and find the gems, you know, it really was like rock mining, you know, you might toil for hours and then there's the diamond that you find that kind of is the key to a lot of other issues. But in fact, that laptop's not enough. You need other material to add to it. So let me start kind of where you started in a way. You start very at the beginning with compassion. And I'd like to kind of go there. Can you tell me who, what happened to hunter. I know he, you know, his brother died. They were in a car accident. He was about three. You outlined that very well in the book. But when does he really become, what is it,

cane to the able or able to the cane? When does he go dark? Look, I think you have to really go back to that car crash. When he was two, his brother, Bo was three. They were quite badly injured. And their mother, was killed in their baby sister. And at that moment, I guess Joe Biden had a choice. He could, you know, stay behind in Delaware and be the father to his now motherless boys. Or he could continue on to Washington

to this glittering career that he dreamed of and, you know, just sort of fluked by a few thousand votes to become the Senate of Delaware. And he made the choice to go to Washington. And he says that, you know, he used to come home every night. and, you know, see his kids on the train for, on the Amtrak. And his two boys were looked after well, it seems, by his sister,

who really worshipped, hero worshiped. This is Val Biden. Hero worshiped Joe. And gave up her career. And in fact, her first marriage broke up, I assume. Because of this, she moved into his house and was played mother to the two boys. And from what Hunter says, he was very happy. loved her very much. And also Joe's mother cared for them as well. But Joe basically did abandon

them. I mean, it's a big career. Even if he did come back every night, he was only back in time to kiss them, I'm told, you know, while they were sleeping. So they didn't really see much of their father, basically lost their mother, pretty much lost their father. But the real crunch for Hunter seemed to come when he was about seven and Joe married Jill Biden, this younger divorced schoolteacher. One little anecdote, I'll tell you about Jill Biden. She wore a full-length fur coat into a pizza joint in Delaware in Wilmington when she was dating Joe. And that was remarked upon and remembered by the locals for a long time. Anyway, she was a sort of a younger, glamorous blonde.

And she didn't really have any, you know, knowledge about bringing up to who were at that stage, quite rambunctious little boys, as boys are at, you know, seven and eight. And Hunter was particularly rambunctious. His older brother, Bo, just one year and one day older than him, was the golden boy, literally the golden boy, blonde hair, sunny features, a very easygoing and easy boy to look after. Hunter was a rather darker figure. He was, you know, maybe a bit ADHD. He was much more impetuous. and his older brother really, Bo looked after him.

But I think from what Hunter says, his relationship with Jill never really got off to a great start. She just didn't know how to manage him. And she and Bo had a good relationship. And Hunter says that he always felt excluded. And he also talks bitterly about how she would spend, go off to the golf course and ignore him. And that little enclave, that very wealthy enclave,

Greenville, Delaware, it's sort of just outside of Wilmington. There were a lot of kids, teenagers, when they were growing up, who got into drugs. And I'm told by people who went to school with the Bidens that Hunter and his sister Ashley hung out with the sort of druggy group, the cool group, I guess. And drugs were just rife in that era. So Hunter talks in his own memoir about at a very young age, six or so, going to some function with his father, some electoral function and scooting under a table and drinking vodka, I think it was some sort of alcohol. That was his first drunken moment. When he was 18, he was arrested by police for, I think it was just, I think he was smoking weed.

Anyway, and that might have been weed or might have been some other drug. But anyway, he was busted for drugs by the local police when he was still at 3. school, that record was sort of expunged later on. And I think that he was sort of dabbling, but he married a very nice woman, another Catholic, Kathleen, and they had three young daughters. And he seemed to be in that era as a young married man in Washington, D.C., working as a lobbyist, he seemed to be okay. He seemed to be sober. I know people who were friends of his at that time, and they thought he was just a normal family guy. But at some point, he fell off the wagon, started drinking, you know, a bottle of vodka a day, frequenting strip joints around Washington,

D.C., cheating on his wife, left right and center, and then got into crack. And his marriage disintegrated and so on. But he's always had this streak. So when you're looking at him, how does he view his relationship? You know, in reading some of the emails from the laptop, he seems to be crying out for love and attention, which would make sense with what you just said. but he also seems to resent his father maybe and and what he says the role he's had to play for the family in making the money for the family and then dad taken 50% of that can you go into that at all the relationship with the family and the brother and how this this I mean I really it to me it looks like a crime family. How does this work? What roles does everybody play?

Well, that's insightful of you because he really, Hunter was very ambivalent about his father and his brother. He hero worshipped his father and his brother. He really does love them, but by the same token, he really resents the fact that he's always been seen as the little brother trailing along behind the golden boy. Joe Biden has this sort of old-fashioned idea of the firstborn son. He was the firstborn son. Joe Biden was put on a pedestal by his family. And so he put Bo on a pedestal. And, you know, everybody else's role in Joe Biden's own family was to serve the great number one son. And it was the same way with Hunter Biden. He was expected to, you know, be at Bo's service. And the way it worked was Joe Biden and Bo Biden were political.

Joe had great hopes as a, you know, a guy who was trying to imitate the Kennedy clan without the money. He saw Bo Biden as his, you know, JFK, his golden boy, the president who would carry the Biden legacy. And so Bo Biden and Joe were supposed to stay squeaky clean when it came to money. And Hunter Biden was assigned the role as the Bannon. of the family as the earner. So straight out of college, I mean, basically Joe got him into Yale law school, you know, strings were pulled straight out of there. He got him into a grace and favor job with one of his big donors in Delaware and BNA, a big credit card company that had benefited a lot from Joe Biden's favors that he did them in the Senate. And so, you know, Hunter was

getting these jobs that wildly inflated salaries. And with that, money he was expected to pay and did pay and was visually resented that he had to pay bills for the family he paid his tuition and his brother Bose tuition for instance and entire extended Biden family Hunter was the rainmaker and the he he got these jobs not through anything I mean his entire CV is built on jobs and and deals that that he only got through his father. And so that was the scheme.

Joe would manipulate and, you know, his power and influence and do favors. A lot of Tammany Hall-style favor trading that he's been doing for decades, four decades in Delaware from his earliest days. And the money, the bribes, let's call them, the favors went to Hunter, also his brother Jim Biden, Joe's younger brother, Jim. Biden, who also was very much at Joe's service all his adult life. And also, it wasn't always cash. I mean, it was just the Biden extended family lived a life of immense privilege. Everything that, you know, entry into Ivy League colleges, you know, judge clerkships, you know,

overseas, postings, government, cincures, you name it. Whatever was there for the taking, they just were like in a candy shop they would have whatever they want. And it's ironic then, you know, hearing Joe Biden rail against white privilege on his family. It was very embodiment of it. If you're one of the millions of Americans who suffer every day from pain, listen up. I want you to know there is hope and it comes in the form of relief factor. Every day I read testimonials from people all over the country who have tried relief factor for their pain and gotten their life back. Honestly, I didn't think it was going to work for me because, oh, I'm going to write you a prescription.

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but I want to look at his brother and Joe first, Joe and Jim, did they grow up corrupt? I mean, where did this seeming, lack of any kind of integrity and familial enrichment come from. Do you have any idea? Yeah, look, there is so much mythology that Joe Biden has built around his family origins. And in fact, his entire life is a myth. And you see, he lives in a fantasy world.

The lies and the plagiarism are all symptoms of that. But he's done this from an early age. And I think in part it's because his father he talks about as, you know, this very rich man who rode with the hounds and, you know, played polo. And apparently he did. I mean, he lived in Long Island and this is Joe Senior and mixed with the sort of like the Great Gatsby style families then. lived in modest circumstances and was an aspirationally social climate. And that was very important to me dressed very well, just as Joe Biden dresses very well now.

Now, something happened. I haven't quite got to the bottom of it. Something happened to Joe Biden, Sr. Many lies have been told about it. It's been hidden from family folklore. I'm told that it was something that reflected poorly on his integrity. This was a great blow to the family. they had to move back in with Joe's mother's family in Scranton.

This were the Finnegan's. And there's a fabulous black and white photo that I found of Joe's parents and his mother's parents outside this house, you know, quite nice house in Scranton. And they're dressed up in their sort of Sunday finest, looking quite somber and respectable, you know, very lace curtain Irish. respectable. And then, but there's this, this very handsome devil-may-care, dark, tall, dark and

handsome man there, and that's Joe's father. And he's got its cheeky grin on his face, and he's holding a high ball. You know, he's holding a drink in his hand. So he obviously, he's, you know, he was a mischief maker. He was in all sorts of trouble. But I guess fun and an He tried all sorts of different jobs. He had a very good job. His father got him at the local DuPont, one of the DuPont businesses. And his father was a quite senior manager. And so he got his son this job. But obviously, Joe Senior thought this was a boring job. And it basically uprooted his wife and, you know, a young child and tried a few different jobs. He went into business with a relative who had a really lucrative job during the war, spray painting some sort of epoxy

or some sort of coating onto marine ships. And so Joe Sr. could have made money there, but he wanted to move on. He started a crop dusting business in Long Island and various other things, furniture business. They all collapsed. With an exception of his dad's success, this sounds very Kennedy. Yeah, yeah, except that. his father never made anything with himself.

And he ended up a tail between his legs, you know, I guess wanting to get out of the in-laws house. It was quite cramped because there were other relatives there. And they moved away then to Delaware and he got a job as a used car salesman. But the mythology that he built up around his own life that I guess his wife did, Joe imbibed that from an early age that you tell tall tales to make yourself look better. And you have him in some ways, Joe Biden being Joe P. Kennedy, right? Isn't that the father, Joe Kennedy?

And then the chosen son dies. And then the next son is John F. Kennedy. And he's known as a screw off in the family. But he pulls it together. And they build this empire. That's kind of what happened, except Joe just became the president instead, which Joe P. Kennedy would have done, I think, if he would have run out of sons. Yeah, I mean, look, I think you're looking at Hunter.

You're saying Hunter is Ted Kennedy, really. Yeah, yeah. But with a crack habit. Yeah. Yeah. And I mean, Joe would love our talking about him and the Kennedy's in the same breath. Sure. Because really he was obsessed by them, I guess, as you would be growing up in his era and as an Irish Catholic.

So we now have. have the death of Bo. And that's 2017, right? Something like that? 2015, I think. 2015, I think. So Hunter's marriage is falling apart. He's doing drugs, everything else.

Does he, is he a good lawyer even or good business? When he's sober, was he good at anything other than graft? No, not really. I mean, look, every job he had was through his father. And he didn't like doing this stuff. He wanted to be an artist. He wanted to be an author. I mean, he was when he first met his wife, he was, you know, reading Kerouac and sort of being a poet.

And he sort of had this romantic notion of himself like that. And but, you know, family loyalty or, I mean, he had a role within the family and he had to fulfill it. And look, I've seen no evidence that he ever did. anything that was useful. And his partners that I've talked to have said that he was useless. He was just the halo effect. It was just the Biden name. He barely answered his emails. And look, he was off his face for nine years that the laptop covers. He was pretty much continually on drugs with rehab stints in between. So you have him, his marriage is breaking up. He's on crack. He's cheating on his wife. They break up. With his with his sister-in-law.

Oh, that happened while Bo was alive? Look, I'm not going to say that because I haven't got evidence for it. Some people say that. Kathleen, his Hunter's ex-wife, believes that they were on, Hunter and Halley, the widow of Bo, were on within days of the funeral.

And they certainly were very familiar with each other, you know, early on. And so he, kind of wrecks her life. She ends up doing crack, right? Yeah. And how does that one end? Well, look, she was quite sensible.

Their relationship was almost entirely stormy and tormented. There's, you know, so many. He's like a little girl in his text exchanges with her. He's endlessly talking about his emotions. how aggrieved he is. Whereas he's cheating on her, he's doing drugs, he's lying to her, and yet he's acting aggrieved with her. The women in Hunter's life are boundlessly forgiving because I guess everybody falls for

or believes or, I mean, it's true really that he's a lost little boy, lost his mother. He's sort of arrested development obsessed with his penis, always photographing it. So weird. And so women, I mean, you can't help but feel that kind of maternal love for a real broken boy, who's in some ways, you know, a very affectionate, I guess, you know, there are things about him that are appealing. So Hallie loved him, but, you know, it was obviously, I mean, there was guilt involved. The drugs, the drugs were terrible. I mean, there's one email exchange or I think text exchange between Ash,

Biden, who's Hunter's step-sister, who's Jill's daughter, and the sister of Hallie Biden, who he was having an affair with. And she's gone and visited Hallie and Hunter at a house they were living in in Delaware with Halley's children. And she's just disgusted by how open their drug use is. She said, I went in there, their drug paraphernalia is everywhere. The place is a mess. You know, the drug dealers are outside.

You know, what if the cops run? you know, a license plate search on it. You know, she's the widow of the Attorney General of Delaware, which was Bo. You know, he's the son of the vice president. This could be a scandal. You could do something about it. And Ashley herself had drug issues. She was in rehab a lot.

But she could recognize this sort of open recklessness of the life that Hallie and Hunter were were living at that stage. And they were living a few miles from Joe and Jill Biden. And that's what Ashley was saying, you know, mom and dad come over to the house and their drug paraphernalies are in open sight. So what triggers? How does this get so far out of control? So far it seems like local Delaware and some banks and everything else. But then to graduate to oligarchs and China and Moscow, you are in.

a different world. How do you know how does that happen? How do they go from, yeah, I got my son a job and he's going to get some graft over here to an international crime family? Well, I mean, Joe became vice president. That's what changed. I mean, he just internationalized this influence peddling scheme that he and his family had perfected for four decades in Delaware.

And, you know, now you had instead of, you know, credit card company. in Delaware, you had oligarchs in Russia and you had President Xi Jinping in China and all his state-owned enterprises. And I feel like the Chinese had been cultivating Joe Biden from early days. He went over to China as one of the first senators to go there on sort of an official trip and was whined and dined and came back and was waxing lyrical about how wonderful the Chinese were to the point where the weekly standard mocked him. him and just said, you know, what a joke it was that he was, you know, basically, you know, a brought up spokesman for the Chinese for the CCP.

So he was right for the plucking. And so when Xi Jinping became vice president, he sort of sought out. There were many meetings. And President Obama, Joe Biden claims, said to him that he should get friendly with the vice president when he was vice president the two vice presidents to get get together so that's why joe biden boasts a lot about all the hundreds of hours he's had face to face with juzing ping and they have known each other for a long time and jing ping is a you know chemical engineer highly intelligent um and you know what he made of joe bideons tall tales and babbling um who knows but obviously he saw

a weakness here and um and so there's a lot of conversation sort of coded uh speeches and so on both of them that are on the public record where Joe Biden talks often about the personal relationship and how we show each other our fealty by our personal relationships and, you know, all this stuff, which is, and then President Xi saying, well, we're going to open up China to foreign investors. And, you know, this is a time when Joe Biden is vice president with carriage for China and obviously Russia and Ukraine as well. and Obama really kind of stepped out and relinquished his responsibility to Joe Biden. And so Joe was representing the United States of America.

He was, you know, the second most powerful man in the world. And he was out of his depth and easily led and also very venal. So when he flew his son Hunter, the bagman, into Beijing in 2013 for these high-level meetings with President Xi Jinping and the top CCP members. Joe Biden, when Hunter walked up down the steps of Air Force 2, it was crystal clear to the Chinese what was happening. You know, I've said this before, but it was, this was, you know, American power come to do private business.

Hunter Biden was recognized by the Chinese as what they call a princeling because, you know, in these countries, you don't pay the bribe to the top official you pay it to their son or their daughter. And so Hunter came with the imprimatur of Joe. Joe went into a private meeting and shook hands with his new business partner who was tipping him into 10% of this private equity fund, BHR, that ended up having $2.5 billion of funds under management. It's important, I think, to point out that even Goldman Sachs didn't have this.

No one had a deal like Hunter Biden did. No one did. And he had no experience in this. No. Very good point. Exactly. So what is the, first of all, well, let me ask this first. What did the Chinese get out of this?

Is there anything? Because this is the word game I'm hearing now. A, Joe didn't know anything about it. And there's no record of any tit for tat. There's no record of any favors being. done for the Chinese? Well, I mean, it's just corruption. You know, you corrupt the future president of the United States and you have blackmail

opportunities. You don't even have to outright blackmail, just gently, you know, press your case. You know, if you own the guy that you have corrupted effectively. Right. And so I don't know. I can't read inside Joe Biden's mind whether he is compromised. But, I mean, certainly, you know, any reading of corruption anywhere in the world, when the son of a top official is given millions of dollars, that person is compromised. I mean, that's why there are rules against it.

Right. So I don't know. And it's the same thing with Russia and Ukraine. Also, millions of dollars went from those countries and oligarchs there into the coffers of the Biden family and their associates. I mean, we have the receipts for those. And Senators Johnson and Grassley have been like posting them up in Congress for the last few weeks. And their inquiry was, their investigation was brilliant. They had, you know, the financial trail, the money trail that only they could get from the Treasury Department of these suspicious activity reports.

Again, millions of dollars flowing into Biden and associate bank accounts. So it's just, it's not a question of. of whether the money came in. And it's not a question of whether Joe Biden is implicated because it's his son. But there is also evidence on the laptop that he financially benefited that Hunter Biden and Joe Biden's finances were co-mingled in, you know, extraordinary ways. The extraordinary email that always hits me, and I don't know if it's true or not, but he said, you know, you guys haven't had to do all this dirty work of death. I'm the one doing it and then I'm the one that has to pay 50% or whatever the percent was to dad. Is that true?

Or is that just the rantings of a drug addict? Well, I couldn't find evidence that he paid 50% to dad, which is what he said. But I did find evidence of payments to dad. But also just they had shared bank accounts. They'd shared debit accounts. Which is illegal. Money, yeah. And money would come in to, you know, like there's a tax refund check for Joe that went into one of their shared bank accounts and there's discussion there about what to do with it. You know, Hunter's business partner, Eric Schwerin, kind of ran all his tax and covered for him when he was off on a bender. He was also helping Joe Biden with his mortgage and had access to his accounts. And, you know, I mean, there's just. The Delaware grand jury and the investigators there, you know, all they have to do is pull on some threads.

They've got access to those bank accounts. I know they've subpoenaed bank accounts to do with Hunter Biden and Jim Biden and some of their partners, including Eric Schwerin. So they know all this. It doesn't take much to lead to the president. throughout the whole world, the leading cause of death is abortion. In the U.S., murder has become a wholesale business since Roe versus Wade. We've killed over 63 million children. Nearly 25% of pregnant mothers don't choose life.

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Tell me the most disturbing thing you saw from the son of the president of the United States. what's the one thing that people could hang their hat on and go, yeah, this family should not be anywhere near power? Well, look, I think the most shocking, the most shocked I was, and then I had to actually push myself away from the computer and just go for a walk and clear my head because I could not believe it. And, you know, I verified it with other people outside the laptop because the laptop is not enough to put this jigsaw puzzle together. You need Tony Bobbolinsky's material, Chuck Grassley's and Ron Johnson's material and so on. But what I was shocked by was the final deal that they were doing in this joint venture with CFC, this Chinese energy company, which is not just a company. It is the capitalist arm of the CCP's Belt and Road Initiative, President Xi's project, which is basically for world domination. They, they, they, they, this Belt and Road project moves in, buys up infrastructure in poor companies, poor countries, lends them, uh, huge amounts of money.

That they can never, debt traps. That they can never pay back. Right. No. So China then owes them. And that's all about China, uh, superseding America as their world's economic superpower. So, so this is a, you know, this is a, uh, an, like, this is an act of war, really economic war against the United States. and the Biden family, Hunter, Jim and Joe are joint venture partners with CEFC.

Now, to be fair, this is after Joe Biden has left the vice presidency. But also for the last two years of his vice presidency, the Hunter and his partners have been doing work, opening doors using his name for the Belt and Road initiative for CEFC around the world, Romania and Kazakhstan places. And so the payments they got were made after Joe stepped down as vice president, but they were for work they did while he was vice president. So, you know, they were candy like that. But anyway, the shocking thing was when I found that there was a deal that was being done between President Xi Jinping and Vladimir Putin for China to buy a big chunk of Rosnecht, which is the Russian state-owned energy company.

and that was a deal that was being brokered by CEFC on behalf of President Xi. This would have shaken, you know, the geopolitical power structure. It would have been terribly damaging for the United States. This was China and Russia getting into bed together reluctantly on Putin's part. He didn't really want to do that, but he was forced to because there were some really punitive sanctions placed on Russia after the downing of MH17 over Ukraine. Remember, I mean, these countries all come back again. And that was the roots of the problem.

And so he was forced into the arms of President Xi, who's obviously his country is energy poor. He's desperate for energy. And so this deal, the biggest deal China had ever done, you know, I can't remember the value, but it was over a billion dollars. And, you know, Hunter Biden knew about it and was talking, gossiping about it with people on what with, you know, Bob Blinsky and so on, on WhatsApp messages.

He knew that Putin and Xi were going to meet. One of their business partners at CFC, Director Zhang posted a photograph of himself negotiating part of this deal with Vladimir Putin and a judo competition in Japan. And this was all Jim Biden, who's this bumbling full, Hunter Biden, who's his crackhead. They're right in the middle of this. just mind-blowing power deal between Russia and China that would have affected our national security unbelievably. And so that was bad enough.

But also when you realize that Joe Biden's intention was to go into business as part of CFC America, that was starting up a branch of this Belt and Road initiative in Hunter's office in Georgetown, and he got nameplates made for his father and for him, and also one of the Chinese guys. And the nameplate said CFC America, he got keys made for his dad, his mother and various other people for this office. Now, the only reason CFC America never got off the ground was because CFC collapsed when the Southern District of New York arrested one of the CFC people, Patrick Ho at JFK. and that led to President Xi obviously panicking. So the chairman of CFC, Hunter's great mate, Chairman Yee, who had an penthouse and limestone Jesus here in Manhattan

that Hunter used to go over to all the time and Chairman Ye would cook him dinner. And he was, Chairman Yee was in China, summoned to China, disappeared, believed murdered. Hunter certainly believes he was murdered. CFC collapsed. China had to pay Russia to, million dollars compensation for that Rosneff deal that blew up. And that was it. And then this was all,

I think, because the Trump's were, you know, Donald Trump was in, his attorney general at time, Jeff Sessions had issued this memo to all the DAs, you know, including the Southern District, that they had to concentrate now on stopping, you know, China, Chinese corruption of business and so on in America. So whether that was wrapped into the Southern District's desire to go and wrap up Patrick Hove, he was corrupting United Nations people. Who knows? But the fact is that that thing collapsed and so the deal never went ahead. But Hunter still got, you know, there's evidence of about $13 million that came into the coffers of Hunter and his various business partners. You know, I've learned something dealing with the left a lot of times, not always, but a lot of times.

They self-diagnose what they accuse someone of doing. It's usually like, oh, okay, that's what you're doing. Yeah. And the Trump allegations, especially that they go back to Ukraine, is mind-boggling because everyone seemed to be using that as a piggy bank, money laundering. machine. I don't know, but it was the corruption from the United States there was big business.

And Joe and his son were a big part of it. Yeah, and the Clintons. And the Clintons. Yeah, I mean, yeah, the chutzpah of the Democrats to turn around the corruption that was going on with the Bidens in Ukraine and turn it back

on Donald Trump, who, you know, sure, I mean, he was clumsy in the way he about asking the questions of Zelensky to try and dig into the corruption. But, you know, so what? That wasn't anywhere near the malfeasance that was going on. And people in the State Department who actually testified against Donald Trump in his impeachment, they had previously, behind the scenes, been voicing their concerns about Hunter earning, you know,

a million dollars a year from this corrupt energy company, Burisma, while Joe, as vice president, is flying frequently into Kiev and giving these thundering speeches about corruption, lecturing them back in a world of corruption. And, you know, a guy called Amos Hochstein, who is a mid-level guy at the State Department, actually went to Joe in his office and said to him face to face, this is a problem. And the Russians are using the fact your son is on this, the board. to just undermine the US attempts at corruption and to paint us as, you know, as bad as everyone else. And he also, nothing happened. He also buttonholed the vice president on Air Force

2 on the way to Kiev one time. Again, nothing happened except that Joe told Hunter that to contact Amos Hochstein and have a cup of coffee with him, which he did. They went and had a cup of coffee near the White House. Amos Hochstein testified to the Johnson Grazley inquiry that he didn't say to Hunter that he should step off the board of Burisma because he didn't think it was his role to do that. But he made it crystal clear that this was a problem for the United States and our interests. But Hunter did not step off the board until the very last minute of his father's campaign. So he earned $4 million. dollars and you know it was I mean I always come back to in terms of what Joe Biden is like as a father

because he's always portraying himself as his great father a great family man what father puts his right drug addicted son in front of an unaccountable torrent of cash you know that was when a hundred says in his memoir that when the Burisma money started coming in 83,000 dollars a month plus that was when the temptation to get back fall off the wagon got overwhelming for him. I have to tell you, I think one of my problems with the Biden family is, A, as an alcoholic, you just destroyed your son, okay? You did everything wrong, okay? And then on top of it, the family when dad i mean i don't mean i don't mean this with any malice honestly i don't dad is embarrassed embarrassing right now he is not up to the task and you know let's say there's no corruption

the guy had a distinguished career and you're going to let him go out like this and it doesn't seem like the family has even had a speed bump on that idea or i'd be ashamed if you're my family, when I got to that point in my life, take the keys away from dad. Okay, it's time. It's time. Does that make sense to you? It doesn't seem to be any real familial protection of anything other than money or name. Yeah, money and power, all the perks that offer spread.

Right. Which they all sucked at that generous tub. Yeah, but look, Joe Biden was desperate to be president again. you know, there were sort of family conferences about it. And, you know, I mean, Hunter and a few of the others were worried because it was going to put the pressure on them. But they supported his father. I think Jill Biden is the one. I mean, where was she when Obama came to the White House and Joe is wandering around being snubbed by the mean girls,

Barack Obama and Kamala Harris? Where was she? Because Kamala Harris's husband was there, the second. gentleman. He was trailing around ready to rescue Camler if she needed it. No one was there. Where would Joe staff? I mean, you know, I'm a great critic of Joe Biden for everything that he's done. I mean, I think he's compromised America's national security. He's hopelessly venal. But I felt sorry for him. And also, you don't treat the president of the United States like this. This is a humiliation for the whole country.

So, you know, I look at, as an alcoholic, you look back at things that you've done. And if you were honest, you would look back and say, okay, did I do that kind of subconsciously to sabotage myself? Because subconsciously, I know I'm completely out of control and I want to stop. Is that why it, I mean, is there a chance? That's why that's why that laptop was. left. I mean, it was, was there ever any cry for help on this? Or is it just the guy is completely out of control and the secret service aren't going to stop him? The government's not going to stop it. It's just do it until it burns itself to the ground.

Well, look, I, you know, if you take a Freudian reading of Hunter abandoning his laptop in that MacBook repair shop in Delaware, in April of 29. just a few days before his father announces his last ditch attempt to run for president. You know, the timing itself is suspect. But also, if you know, as I do, the events leading up to that, Hunter was raging against his father and the entire family. He felt they were disrespecting him. Here he had spent 30 years earning money for them. He was now in dire straits.

His business had collapsed. he was broke. His life was just a disaster, and they were treating him like he was an embarrassment and trying to airbrush him out of the picture. He was particularly incensed by a Maureen Dowd column that had obviously been backgrounded by, if not Joe, but, I mean, Morin's his favorite columnist, as Hunter said,

or at least his staff, basically saying that Hunter's just a hopeless mess, we just need to ignore him. Hunter was infuriated by that. And, you know, really kind of was manipulating his father. And now that there was no bow around, manipulating his father to get his attention and get him under his control. Hunter is very intelligent, much more intelligent than Joe Biden. So if you had to, and I know this is a pure guess, but I've never seen a president be this compromised going in.

and everybody knows it. Everybody knew that that laptop was at least partially true. Everybody covered it up, covered for it. Even Hunter, though, knew this is going to explode in our face, I think. So if they go after Hunter and he's facing real prison time, I don't have the sense that he's not going to squeal on his dad. He'll pull, he seems to be the kind of guy that will pull all these people in that have been right alongside him. So does Joe ever face justice?

Does Hunter face justice? And what do the family dynamics tell you on how they're going to handle that? I don't really see Hunter shopping his father to tell you the truth. I think he'll rely on his father using what power he has, which is a lot, to pardon him and to just pull strings and make sure that he's okay. I think that, yes, there's so much evidence, you know, whether it be tax evasion, money laundering, foreign lobbying, violations, that the grand jury is looking at. We know that the grand jury has been asking witnesses who is the big guy,

and we know that the big guy is Joe Biden. So they are pulling the threads that would lead them to the president, whether they stop before they get there. You know, who knows. But I feel that Hunter is going to rely on a pardon and Joe will try and push it. out as long as he can to the end of his presidency, whether that be at the 24 election or before.

Let me switch to topics. I saw a video today of Joe Scarborough, who I was shocked that he still had his own show, but apparently it's still on MSNBC. And he was saying how horrible this is about Facebook and Twitter and how they buried this story. Well, we went back in the archives and found him ranting and raving about how evil the post is and how all of these conservatives knew exactly what they were doing. And this is all Russian propaganda.

The media is shocking how brazen they are and how stupid they must think we are. But let's go into the media a bit. You were there. You were pulled into this. What did you think when you first saw that the laptop existed? How skeptical. What happened? Tell me the backstory.

Well, I was just at home in Manhattan late one night. And I get a text message from Bob Costello, who's Rudy Giuliani's lawyer. And, you know, a serious lawyer. I mean, he was deputy criminal head of the criminal division of the Southern District of New York. So this guy has a mind like a steel trap and very credible. So he sends me, I think it was four or five photographs from the laptop. And he says, I have something to talk to you about. This is just to show you.

He said there's tens of thousands of images and documents. You know, would you be interested in some course? The next day, have a conversation with him and also with Rudy Giuliani. At that stage, they had had the hard drive since end of August. And we're talking now the beginning of October. And they had done their due diligence on the material as far as they could on the hard drive, had satisfied themselves, both hardcore investigators themselves, forensic lawyers. And they had satisfied themselves that it was real.

Sort of at the end of their process, they brought Steve Bannon in and asked him for some help on the Chinese side of it. But they had enough and they had found what they believed to be a number of crimes. And so they sort of itemized them in these long conversations. They itemized about the top five. Emails evidence of Joe Biden being involved in Hunter Biden's business dealing, something he'd been telling the American public throughout the campaign that he knew nothing about and various other things.

And then my excellent colleague, Emma Joe Morris, just did the reporting on it and, you know, basically fact-checked it, contacting other recipients of the emails to verify they're true. We sent a reporter down to Delaware to the MacBook repair shop where John Paul Mac Isaac, you know, we interviewed him. And unfortunately, his name got, or his address or something was leaked out. So sad. So sad. So sad. Yeah. But he'll be okay.

He's got a book coming out now. So that'll, yeah, and he's just a wonderful man, a real hero, one of the great heroes of this story. I agree. And so, so anyway, then, you know, Emma Jo did all her work and the editors and the lawyers were satisfied that we could go with it. And so, Kaboom, we hit the button. And on October 14, the first story, which was basically around an email that we'd verified, you know, every which way, which was from a Burisma executive to, Hunter thanking him for introducing him to his father in Washington, D.C. the night before. And, you know, that's all we knew at the time. But we, the White House just pretended that

this hadn't happened. Joe Biden went to ground immediately within hours of that story going up online. Facebook and Twitter censored it. And Twitter, in fact, locked down the New York Post account for the next two weeks until a few days before the election. Yeah. And the rest of the media ignored it. And then five days later came the dirty 51 letter from the 51 top former intelligence people without looking at the laptop. They declared it was Russian disinformation. Two days after that, obviously it was designed specifically as a partisan political document for Joe Biden to take into his final debate against Donald Trump and use it to rebut the obvious attack Trump was going to make. And that's exactly what happened. And Joe Biden just waved

this, you know, letter around and said, you know, this is basically the intelligence community is saying that that's just garbage. It's Russian disinformation. You're making it up. Can you help me, Miranda? If, if I'm lied to and I put my name out there, I'm really pissed off as a journalist. If my sources are telling me something and I realize you knew the whole time. I'm really pissed off, but it doesn't seem like any journalist that was involved in this is upset by what they did and how they covered for this guy. So I'm left with they all knew. They just, they wanted Joe Biden to win. And so they would do whatever they wanted. Is there any journalist that you have met that is like, you know what? I'm pissed and I want this settled.

I want the truth to come out. No. And they're not acting like it anyway because the stories that they're writing now say, oh yeah, you know, we verified the laptop, the emails and so on. And so now they're just saying laptop's real. But at the same time, they're shaping the narrative again, according to the White House line. And they're saying, yeah, Hunter was a bad guy. Maybe you know, maybe Jim was a bad guy, but it's got nothing to do with Joe Biden. You saw Ron Clayne run that line with, you know, Stephanopoulos on ABC on Sunday. And it's curious that he would make that statement because it is such an intervention in the U.S. attorney in Delaware's investigation.

Because what Ron Clayne is saying, straight from the White House, straight from, you know, the U.S. attorney, David Weiss's boss, or his boss's boss, in the White House is that guy that you're investigating, Hunter Biden, he's innocent. And don't even think about going near Joe Biden because he had nothing to do with it. Like, you know, it's just wrong. And so that's the line that Washington Post, New York Times, CNN, and everyone else is running as well. So is there, are we really that void of people in positions the secret? Service, the Justice Department.

I mean, they had the laptop long before you saw the laptop. There was no one that came out and said, even anonymously, that would be willing to come out and say, this is a lie or this is very dangerous. There was, are we that void of honor in the Secret Service and in justice? Look, I don't know. It is really curious. Obviously, we know of the malfeastern. at the top of the FBI.

We know that people like John Brennan, Leon Panetta, you know, James Clapper, Michael Hayden, these people signed that letter. Every one of those 51 intelligence people who signed that letter is suspect. I mean, they used the authority of their former high office to wade in and interfere with the election, basically, on behalf of Joe Biden,

because it was this existential threat. Donald Trump was a threat to everything. They felt that they could reduce their own standards, destroy the credibility of the CIA and the FBI, the NSA and so on, because it was so important to make sure that Trump didn't win the election. Everybody corrupted themselves over Donald Trump. They went mad. Can you give me some hope?

You know, then again, let me just make up my own hope and not have you answer that question. I'm not sure I want the response. Thank you so much for being on with us. I really appreciate it, Miranda. The name of the book is The Laptop from Hell. Just a reminder, I'd love you to rate and subscribe to the podcast and pass this on to a friend so it can be discovered by other people.