The Glenn Beck Program - Ep 157 | How the Elites Hypnotized America into COVID Compliance | Mattias Desmet | The Glenn Beck Podcast

Episode Date: October 8, 2022

Evil never looks the same from one generation to the next. We may be looking out for the warning signs that quietly led to World War II, but we’re just doing the same thing they did back then. So what does evil look like now? Glenn talks to Professor Mattias Desmet about how the chaos of COVID-19 parallels the totalitarian states of the 20th century. As news outlets tried to justify a dystopian new world and the crowd just went along, Professor Desmet devoted himself to finding out exactly why this happened in his book, “The Psychology of Totalitarianism.” He explained it with a theory called mass formation, which, after a mention on "The Joe Rogan Experience" and plenty of media panic, was proven to be the threat he had feared. Now, he joins Glenn to explain how the threat is growing even worse and what we must do to reverse course. SPONSORS: Better Spectacles is offering an introductory 61% off progressive eyewear, plus free handcrafted Rodenstock frames. Go to https://BetterSpectacles.com/BECK now to schedule a Tele-Optical appointment. You don’t even have to leave the comfort of your home. If you're one of the millions of Americans who suffer every day from pain, there is hope, and it comes in the form of Relief Factor. If you want a drug-free and natural way to get your life back, go to https://relieffactor.com Almost 1 out of every 5 pregnancies in this country is aborted – over 63 million babies since the beginning of Roe v. Wade. Now after Roe, blue states are gearing up to become the abortion mills of the country. Will you help rescue babies’ lives? To donate, dial pound 250 and say the keyword “BABY,” or go to Preborn.com/GLENN. Imagine what it would be like if you could just flip a switch and make every odor that gets into your home go away in just a few seconds. Well, you can, with the Eden Pure Thunderstorm Air Purifier. Go to http://EdenPureDeals.com and use the discount code “Glenn3” to save $200! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Totalitarianism is not a thing of the past. It is alive and well. Individual responsibility is dying, and our love for our fellow man is dying. Herd mentality is helping to kill it. If you look at things like Antifa, as individuals, they're total cowards, but when they don masks and march together,

they see themselves as heroes. group bonding literally boost oxytocin levels higher than the boosts caused by alcohol or even cocaine. Today's guest is fascinating and I urge you to read his book. He is a Belgian clinical psychologist with a background in statistics, the kind of Belgian Gen X, Jordan Peterson, if you will. I discovered the book recently. It's the psychology of totalitarianism. it is eye-opening. You ever wondered how what was happening in Germany happened?

How you convince all those people of madness? It's happening again. Totalitarianism is on the rise and that is different than authoritarianism. He explains it with a theory that he calls mass formation. The idea came to him during the COVID-19 lockdowns. He watched governments and news outlets pushing bad information in order to just a dystopian new world, and he watched his people believed it. Then in December 2021, a guy named Dr. Robert Malone, went on Joe Rogan's podcast and

mentioned a theory called, you guessed it, mass formation. That episode exploded. People lost their minds. Neil Young says, I just can't, I can't rock in the free world anymore. And the media rushed to discredit today's guest all over the world. the theory of mass formation. Oh, it's just a conspiracy theory. I want you to listen and see if this sounds like logic or a conspiracy theory. It's really kind of funny.

The witch hunt didn't eradicate the theory of mass formation. Instead, the hysteria shown, the hysteria shown by the media and big tech actually proves that mass formation is a very real threat. You will understand your world and what you have to do, probably better than anything I have heard yet. And it's today's podcast with Matthias Desmond. All right, before we get into it, man, you're going to love this interview. I want to talk to you a little bit about advancement and science and medical.

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Pound 250 keyword baby or check it out yourself online at preborn.com slash Glenn. Matthias, how are you, sir? Hi. I have been waiting for this interview for weeks. I think you have a theory that is one of the most important things to be discussed in the world today because I think it's happening all over the world, or at least in the West. Can you explain quickly what that theory is? I will try to.

I explain it in detail in my book, the psychology of totalitarianism. But, well, you know, when the corona crisis started, so I'm a clinical psychologist, a professor in clinical psychology, but I'm also a master in statistics. And when a corona crisis started, I started to study the statistics a little bit and the mathematical models that were used. And then I noticed immediately that the models seem to dramatically overrate the dangerousness of the virus and that they also didn't take into account the extreme amounts of collateral damage that emerged as a consequence of the measures. And like after a few months by the end of May 2020, I had the impression that it was proven beyond doubt that the initial models and statistics overrated dramatically, the dangerousness of the virus.

So at that moment, the mathematical models of Imperial College, for instance, had predicted that by the end of May 2020, about 80,000 people would die in a small country such as Sweden if the country didn't go into lockdown. And the country didn't go into lockdown, and only 6,000 people died in Sweden. So that was the moment when I started to think about something else. How is it possible that an entire population,

violation fails to see that the narrative they believe in is utterly absurd and blatantly wrong. And it reminded me of the theories on mass formation. The mass formation is a specific kind of group formation which has very specific effects at the level of individual mental functioning. For instance, it tends to make individuals completely blind for everything that goes against what the group believe and even if what the group believes. It is radically absurd and blatantly wrong.

Right. And yes. And second, also character. Hang on just a second. Is this because one of my favorite books is the extraordinary popular delusions, you know, the madness of crowds? I think it was written in, I don't even know, long, long, long time ago. And is this the same thing?

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Yes, it's related to this, yes, that book also is all about a mass formation, yes. Yes, okay. So it has several mass formation

has several specific effects at the level of individual mental functioning. It, for instance, also makes people willing to radically self-sacrifice. Very strange. It is as if people lose every awareness of their individual, personal interests. And thirdly, also important is that mass formation makes individuals radically intolerant for dissent voices, for people who do not go along with the masses.

To the extent that after a while, people in mass formation start to believe that it is their ethical duty to stigmatize, exclude, and in the end, eliminate everyone who doesn't go away. along with the message. This is what we saw before. You know, we've seen this in the 1930s and 40s in Germany, and I've always wondered, how do you get really brilliant people to go down this road where they are exterminating people and they think that it's the right thing? It's something that it would not have been natural or normal to think just 10 years prior,

to that. How did you do that? And I'm, I'm looking at today's society and I'm thinking, this is how you do it. And I don't, I don't know if, you know, in reading your book, it's, it's not a conspiracy theory. It's not being pushed, but there are players that are, that add to this, right? Yeah, of course. You have to distinguish between, on the one hand, the elite and the masses themselves. You know, the phenomenon of mass formation has existed as long as mankind exists. But for one reason or another, it became increasingly strong throughout the last few centuries. And that has everything to do with the emergence of the so-called mechanist view on man in the world.

The what? The mechanist view on man in the world. So to believe that the entire universe is a kind of a material system, which can be perfectly, rationally understood, controlled and manipulated. This view of man in the world, on the one hand, created a new elite, a new elite which tried to understand psychological processes that are going on in society in which tries to control and manipulate these processes through indoctrination and propaganda. So that's one important evolution throughout the last few centuries. The elite changed. It's no longer an elite that uses power in an overt way. It's an elite that uses it in a hidden way

through indocturnation propaganda. And the second extremely important thing is that this mechanist view on the man, on man in the world, through industrialization, mechanization, and technology use, disconnected people from their natural and social environment, put them in a lonely state,

confronted them with experiences of lack of meaning making, and in the end, confronted them with so-called free-floating, anxiety, frustration, and aggression. So throughout the last few hundred centuries, this increased more and more and more. And when these conditions are met, when people feel lonely, disconnected, struggle with lack of meaning making, and it free-floating, anxiety, frustration and aggression, that means a kind of anxiety, frustration, and aggression, which they cannot connect to a mental representation.

So anxiety, frustration, and aggression in which people don't know what they feel anxious, frustrated, and aggressive for, under these conditions, something very specific might happen. When under these conditions, a narrative is distributed through the mass media indicating an object of anxiety and a strategy to deal with that object of anxiety, all this free-flowning anxiety might connect to the object of anxiety. And there might be a huge willingness in the population to participate in the strategy, to deal with the object of anxiety, simply because it gives people the feeling that they are in control of their anxiety. When you're anxious and you don't know what you feel anxious for, you feel completely out of it. control but if you start to believe that your anxiety is caused by something no matter

whether it is true or not and that there is a strategy to deal with that something then you have an experience of control you feel in control again and also you have an object to direct all your frustration and aggression on so that's the first psychological advantage the first step of mass formation with the first psychological advantage of mass formation and in a second step something even more important happens because so many people participate in a strategy, for instance, the lockdowns, but it could also be the concentration camps or the crusades or the witch. Because so many people participate in the strategy to deal with the object of anxiety. They have the feeling to fight a collective heroic battle with the object of anxiety.

And they feel connected again. The loneliness disappears and they have a feeling of a new sense making again. You could say, of course, what's the problem? People felt lonely and now they feel connected again. They were confronted with a lack of meaning making. And now they have the feeling that their life makes sense again. And they felt out of control about their anxiety. And now they feel in control again.

So what's the problem? Well, there is a problem. First, there always has to be a scapegoat at whom all this frustration and aggression can be directed and also even more important. This new social bond, this new connectedness is not a social bond between individuals. It's always a social bond between the individual, between each individual separately and the collective, meaning that in a mass,

the famous citizenship, the famous solidarity that is so typical for mass formation, is never a solidarity between individuals, it's always a solidarity between the individual and the collective, meaning that, and it is even the case, that the longer the mass formation exists lasts, the more all solidarity and love is sucked away from the bonds between the individuals

and injected in the bond between the individuals, and the collective. And that makes that in the end, solidarity with the collective is much bigger than a solidarity with other individuals leading to the famous paranoid state

in totalitarian systems where every individual is willing to snitch on every other individual to report every other individual to the state if they have the feeling that this other individual

doesn't show enough solidarity to the collective. In the end, this leads typically, I've been talking with this woman, Shoray Fishtali, who lived in Iran during the revolution there, which was a huge-scale process of mass formation. And she told me how she has seen how a mother reported her son to the state and how this mother hung the news around his neck when he was on the scaffold. And when he was hung,

she claimed to be a heroine for doing what she did. That is a dramatic end stage of massimation. That's what we have to avoid, that it goes to this end stage. We are seeing things, however, being pushed in that direction. We have leadership here in the United States that is, is pushing and saying if you voted this way, you are the problem. I mean, it is, I'm a self-educated guy on World War II and, you know, the Holocaust. But it is very much the same kind of words that came from gerbils and the, the part. back then. You identify a group and then you isolate them and you pour everything into that. And it is something we haven't seen here in America for a very long time.

Yes, indeed. Well, it's a real, you know, there is a lot of massification in society. That is the pre-stage of mass formation. But the real mass formation is rather rare, a large-scale mass formation. It's the first time that you're confronted with a world. white mass formation, by the way. This is. And the real mass formation is a rather rare. Yes. So, it's a mass formation is actually a kind of, is mass hypnosis.

It's exactly the same. The mechanism is exactly the same. In hypnosis, all the attention of someone has sucked away from the environment and focused on one small aspect of reality. And consequently, the rest of reality seems to disappear. And this is an extremely strong mechanism. When someone is under hypnosis, you can perfectly perform a surgical operation. on that person, you won't notice it.

And so that's just an illustration of the strength of the mechanism of this focusing of attention, which also happens in a mass formation. And that's the reason why people are not aware anymore, that they lose everything, that they lose their health, their wealth, the future of their children, and so on and so on. And as soon as you understand that the mechanism of mass formation is identical, to the mechanism of hypnosis. You also understand that massamation is something that is provoked by the voice,

the voice of a leader, and that's why totalitarian leaders whom system is always based on mass formation in contrast with classical dictatorships, which is not based on mass formation, that's the reason why totalitarian leaders intuitively use their voice. They constantly use indoctrination propaganda.

Rather than terror, they also use terror when the first place they use indoctrination propaganda, because in that way, they keep the population in the state that is necessary to continue the totalitarian state. To continue the totalitarian state. So as soon as you understand that, you also understand that the most important method, weapon we have against mass information is our own voice, the dissonant voice. We have to continue to speak out.

We have to continue to speak out because history, you can understand that in a psychological, technical way. But history has also shown us that it is exactly at the moment the dissonant voice stops to speak out in public space that the totalitarian system goes completely crazy and starts to destroy everyone that doesn't go along with them. This is what Stolosnichin taught us in his last essay to the Russian people. They lose all their power once you simply refuse to buy into the lie. But how do you get there? Because there are so many people that are buying into the lie.

Yes. Yes. That's the problem. So, you know, first, you have to understand. Well, Gustav Le Bonn mentioned already in the 19th century. He's a famous psychologist who wrote a lot about masses. And he mentioned already in the 19th century that, if a mass emerges in a society,

there always is a group that doesn't fall prey to the mass formation. This group typically tries to wake up the other people. Why are they not pray? Why are they not prey to this hypnosis? It's very hard to say. There is always a group that doesn't fall prey to it, and this group is always extremely heterogeneous. That has been remarked time and time again.

It's probably some people who, for one reason or another, or not very or prefer to stick to what they consider something true and sincere rather than to take the easy way and go along with the group they belong to in their thinking and their mental functioning. I had a woman who saved a bunch of Jews in the Holocaust. She lived in Poland and she told me once that the people who did that they weren't heroes. They didn't have to be a superhero. They just remembered what was true and what was right. And they just said it and did it. And I didn't understand that really until now.

You don't have to be courageous. You just somehow or another haven't forgotten what you've always known to be true. Yes, indeed. You have to, sometimes it takes some courage to speak out. We all have to continue to do so because it's dramatically. when we stopped to do so. Like that happened in 1930 in a Soviet Union and around 1935 in Nazi Germany. Then the opposition stopped to speak out and within a few months to one year,

the system went crazy and started the destruction campaigns. So it's just because at that moment the hypnotic state or the mass formation becomes complete and everyone who doesn't go along with it is considered to be someone who should be destroyed. So that's an extremely important thing. And we have to continue to speak out. Have you ever walked into somebody's house and it smells like dog or worse cat? Smells like food.

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I take it that you are warning against authoritarianism, because that is the final stage of this. History shows that to be true. First of all, what is the difference between totalitarianism and authoritarianism? Well, I think authoritarianism, of course, it depends from order to order. Some people define it in this way. other people in another way, but for me it is clear that authoritarianism is something that is related to classical dictatorships. It just means someone who in one way or another

succeeds in imposing his will, his social contract unilaterally to society. But totalitarianism is something completely different. Totalitarianism is a specific state system which is based on mass formation and mass formation because a totalitarian state starts always with the emergence of a mass, a mass which can be artificially created by certain leaders who use indoctrination and propaganda to use the mass formation or a mass which can in the first initially emerge in a spontaneous way and only after a while be influenced by indoctrination and propaganda. So like in the Soviet Union the mass formation was artificially created from the beginning. In Nazi Germany the mass formation first emerged more or less spontaneously

and then certain leaders of the masses started to use endocrineation. propaganda to manipulate the masses and to use them to seize power of society. And that is exactly what the core and essence of totalitarianism is. Okay. So do you believe that that is the road we are on now? Because I don't think that this has been orchestrated as a grand plan from the very beginning. You know, I got into trouble.

The people called me a conspiracy theory. which they're now calling you, conspiracy theorist, because I said, you know, back in 2005, that you're going to have socialists, anarchists, and Islamists working together to overthrow the West. And I was very careful to say, not that they're calling each other or having Star Chamber meetings, but there comes a time when everyone sees, oh, my gosh, it's going this way. and I see what they're doing and that helps my cause so I'm doing that too

and that's not a conspiracy theory a conspiracy is a star chamber correct and that's not this 60% of the vans from venders on independent like sack magic

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the emergence of a certain phenomenon of course there's always a certain

conspiracy dimension I think and it can be quite and there is always a set of institutions who push their ideologies. That's what institutions do.

We have indeed these people who have this idea that we need a great reset. We have these people who believe that society should be changed. And that's, I think, very, very real. We have this transhumanist ideal. Certain institutions who believe that the entire society should be reshaped according to a transhumanist ideal. That's also very typical for totalitarianism. It always tries to create a completely new society.

an artificial society which will be a paradise for the human being once it is full-fledged but which in the end always turns out to be a hell so there is an elite an elite who pushes a certain ideology but it would be a fatal mistake to reduce everything to that elite to believe that as solcenichin said he said it would be easy to believe that the dividing line between good and evil runs through between human beings and that there is a small group with pure evil and all the rest that is good, but he said, we all know that the dividing line between good and evil runs through every human

being's heart. You can say that the elite is the elite because the population made them the elite. Because the population was sensitive for their discourse. Go ahead. Go ahead. Finish. I said that's the risk of

too extreme conspiracy thinking that we start to believe that all evil is situated in the elite. and that the only solution is an insurrection or a violent revolution against the elite in order to destroy the elite. And that always leads to exactly the opposite. So I've talked to people all over the world. And I think the average person feels the same way. And I've looked at this as a good thing because I think all of our leadership, they have, you know, with the banks and the governments and world economic.

economic forum and all of them. They're all pushing for bigger, statist kind of goals, where the elites do take control of everything because they just think they know better. And I'm talking to people around the world and they all say it's not our

it's not our left or right that is the problem that we are arguing over here in America. It's not the Republicans and the Democrats. It's the people. being separated from the decisions by the elites. And they're not just, it's global. Is that, do you believe that to be true, healthy, detrimental? What is that?

Well, you know, I think that's something very important to understand about the elite, is that the elite is usually hypnotized as well. That's something crucial. I think that the elite is hypnotized not by the narratives they use but by their ideology so they fanatically and blindly believe

in their ideology. That's very strange. They blindly believe that transhumanism is the only solution to the problems we are seeing that transhumanism will bring the human being in a godlike state and in a kind of paradise.

In the end they believe so and of course they believe that the first who will arrive in this godlike state and is a godlike state will be themselves. But they do believe in their own ideology so fanatically that they believe it is justified to cheat and manipulate everyone and everything in order to convince them to go along with their plans. So I think this is something crucial to understand.

And if you understand that, you also understand that the dissonant voice does not only have an impact on the population, but also on the leaders. And that we have to continue to speak to the leaders or to speak out in public space. Because also they are influenced. So like the farmers, you know, over in the Netherlands that are protesting or the Brexit people that were protesting, they're not necessarily calling for revolution. They're calling for common sense in many ways. at least the farmers are for sure, calling for common sense. And the governments and the media done everything they can to make these people either invisible

or into lunatics. Absolutely. Absolutely. And that's also strangely enough what the masses really start to believe of these people who do not agree with them, that they must be lunatics. Masses are so absorbed by their own absurd logic, which is very hard to contradict because their focus of attention is so much narrowed down to a small aspect of reality that they don't see the things anymore that go against their own absurd logic.

But they are so convinced that they are the only ones who think logically that they believe that the other people who do not go along with them must be completely stupid. Have you thought of first cause? What started this ball rolling this time? I mean, was it natural? Is it the media? Is it politics, debt? What started this ball? And when do you think people knowingly started to jump onto the wagon if you think anybody did?

Well, it's simple, I think. It's the global institutions who have these ideological plans, who for a long time already wanted to replace democracy by a technocratic system where experts make the decisions also at the level of private life. And then on the other hand, there is a population who starts to become more and more sensitive for propaganda and indoctrination because they feel disconnected,

lack of meaning making and so on. And then suddenly, this propaganda that is distributed or these propaganda, it's just these institutions who push their ideological convictions through the mass media in all kinds of ways, suddenly start to have this enormous effect of a mass formation. And then we are in the beginning.

Once that happens, we have the basic mechanism of a totalitarian state. We have this diabolic pact between the reed and the masses. That's what Hannah-R-R-Sit. Totalitarianism, that's extremely interesting. There's always a diabolic pact between the masses and the reader. Is that what I explained in my book? So my book is all about. And once that emerges, you have a,

an extremely destructive system, like a classical dictatorship can control public space and political space. But a totalitarian state can also control private space simply because they have a huge secret police at their disposal, this part of the population. Right. Which fanatically believes, which is in the mass summation and fanatically believes in the state narrative and which is willing to report everyone to the state, even their own family members, if they do not go along. So how far away are we from that do you believe? Of people snitching on each other. Well, we are not there yet and maybe we will never get there yet. But it will get a little bit worse, I think, in the years to come.

But we just have to remind that no matter what happens, we have to continue to speak out, to stay true to the principles of humanity. Because, you know, well, that's another story. but the root cause of all these problems is this mechanist rationalist fuel man in the world. A lack of empathy. A lack of empathy, of course. In a rationalist fuel man in the world, everything is reduced to rational understanding.

And in this way, that's what I explained in the first five chapters of my book, automatically, when you try to reduce everything around you, the entire mystery of life, to the categories of your own logical, rational thinking, you isolate yourself from the mystery of life. and you do not resonate anymore. You have no empathic connection anymore with the world around you. And that's exactly the problem. When you have no empathic connection anymore with the world around you, you also lose touch

with the eternal principles of humanity. And that's the reason why in the end there is a cold, rational ideology which seizes control of society in every totalitarianism and which pushes

relentlessly, a certain logic which is always absurd and in the end completely irrational, which pushes that logic relentlessly and which dehumanizes society completely. And the people who do not go along with that system, who refuse to go along have to do exactly the opposite. They have to stay true to the

principles of humanity. In the first place, the ethical duty to articulate the words that seem sincere and honest to you in public space, they have to stay true to these principles of humanity no matter what happens and no matter what they lose no matter what we lose we must be sure that we don't lose the only thing that is really important and that is our humanity so let me wrap up here with with this um that i believe is why gondy worked martin luther king worked jesus worked um because they connected with humanity however bonhofer in his writings he kept saying i have to talk to mr gandie i'm

doing something wrong. No, it was happening at the same time, but the UK had not closed that heart yet, where the Germans had already, the Christians, the Judeo-Christian values had been shut up, and it was a different world. Yes. If we have to, is it too late? And when you get to the point to where you have to make a decision of sacrificing yourself, you know, for what you believe in or go to jail or whatever it is. Why didn't that work in Europe in the 1930s? Bienn't aboard via Rai. Embarked and profite. Embarked and celebrate. Riggolet. Publié, savoury, admire and profite.

Via Raille, La Voa Kone Mew. Well, that's a good question. But it seems that in Europe and the Soviet Union, the resistance decided to stop to speak out in public space because they

thought that they were dealing with a classical dictatorship. And in a classical dictatorship, it sometimes makes sense to stop to speak out in public space, but not in a totalitarian state. Because a totalitarian state, status based on mass formation and the mass formation will become increasingly will be become stronger and stronger so even more dangerous so that's most preliminary principle and it doesn't mean that this well that we will not that we might not

lose something if we continue to speak out you might lose a lot but the better you understand the mechanism the more you see that we have no other option if you stop to speak out even if you conform to the totalitarian system you might be destroyed by it. There is a very good chance. A total radiant state in the end always becomes a monster that devours its own children. That's what Hannah Arendt said. And it is like that. The masses in the end always devour their own children. So the better you understand it, the more you see, even from a purely strategic point of view, that we have no other option. And if you consider it from an ethical point of view, we definitely have no other option. And if we choose to stick to the ethical principles

of humanity, then everything will start to make sense. Then we will see that what happens now is a process in which something new is born. Because that's what happens typically in totalitarian states. The people who do not go along with them, for instance in the concentration camps, as it was described by people as Victor Franklin and Solzinichin. There was always a small minority. The most prisoners started to behave in a completely beast-like manner. But there was always a small minority who refused to do so and who started to realize the extremely,

extreme importance of ethical principles for a human being and who became more and more loyal to these principles while they were in this pool of darkness. And these people went in a very fast way to a process of mental and spiritual evolution. To the extent that Soshenstein described certain people, for instance, Ivanovich Gregoriev, I think, I referred to him in the last part of my book, the last chapter of my book, was a sickly person when he entered the Gulags. And while most people died in a few months in the Gulag's, he survived. And Solzhenitsch said it was because he refused to do anything unethical. If the guards commanded him to do something unethical, he refused to do so, no matter what the

punishment was. And if other prisoners stole his food and his clothes, he didn't steal food or clothes back, he preferred to go outside working in temperatures of minus five. 40 degrees Celsius, clothed only in a back or something, rather than stealing clothes himself. And he said, Solstitchin said, I've seen how this person became stronger and stronger and stronger, both at the mental and the physical level. And so that's what you have to realize. If we make the right choice, if we decide to go through this with our radical principles,

then we will in one way or another receive a certain strength for it in return a strength which is more important than everything you might lose. So we don't have to focus too much on trying to predict what will happen and what we have to do. We have to focus

on one thing, on our radical principles and to make sure that we stay true to them throughout this process. That's the most important thing, I believe. I have to tell you, if this makes you a dangerous radical, we are in real trouble because I haven't heard anything that a real servant of God would have said. You know what I mean? You're not preaching, you're preaching common sense and common decency to one another. And the machine is

trying to devour you right now. And I will keep you in my prayers. And if there's any way we can ever help you sir you you let us know i i uh i have such respect for people who are taking a courageous stand right now because it will cost you your career it'll cost you the price is very very high um it's not the ultimate price yet but um if you're right and we don't stop this it will be in the end and um you will we know what we have we know what we have to do if you want to to read an answer to the to the all the criticism

in the media directed at me then you can read my last substack that I posted yesterday. A seven page substack when I address all the criticism. Yeah. So if you have people interested, they can

read it there. May I just say before you log out sincerely sincerely for my family and for so many millions of Americans that listen to me all the time. Sincerely thank you. It is, it is a, it's a godsend and it is it's it's helping people understand what's what's happening right now. So thank you sincerely. Thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you very much for your kind words and also for

continuing to speak out yourself as well. We will all continue in a quiet way. And in the end, we can be sure that after the dark night, there will be a new morning. I remember 25, 30 years ago reading Emmanuel Kant's quote where he said, there are many things I believe that I shall never say, but I shall never say the things that I do not believe. And I remember thinking at that time, I don't even understand that world. I don't even understand that.

What is life like? And we're here. We're here. And it's amazing. God bless you. Thank you. Anything we can do to help. God bless.

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