The Glenn Beck Program - Ep 171 | Modern Scottish Warrior Goes 'BRAVEHEART' on Elites | Neil Oliver | The Glenn Beck Podcast

Episode Date: January 28, 2023

Neil Oliver — a Scottish television presenter, historian, and author — is one of the courageous people willing to let his “no” mean “no.” At the height of his impressive career as a TV presenter, he realized the people promising the solutions to our problems are the same people responsible for them. But instead of bending the knee to the status quo, he became a modern “Braveheart” hero and defiantly said, “No,” to the tyranny of BLM, woke politics, and COVID lockdowns: “We're not extreme, THEY’RE extreme.” On this episode of "The Glenn Beck Podcast," Glenn talks to Neil about the difficulties he has experienced ever since he began standing up for what's right and details how you can stand up as well. They also dive into Neil’s fiery reactions to BLM, the rewriting of history, and the odd phenomenon of “excess deaths.” On any and all of it, Neil’s stance could not be any clearer: “I just believe in freedom.” SPONSORS: Pre-Born has rescued over 200,000 babies from abortion, and every day, its clinics save 150 infant lives. One ultrasound is just $28, less than the cost of most dinners. Get involved today by dialing #250 and saying the keyword “BABY” or donate securely at https://preborn.com/GLENN Instances of home title fraud are growing 2.5x faster than instances of credit card fraud. You could be a victim and not even know it. Visit https://HomeTitleLock.com and use the promo code “RADIO” to register your address for your no-obligation home title report. Invest in emergency food before it’s too late. Go to https://MyPatriotSupply.com and SAVE $200 on your 3-Month Emergency Food Supply kit while you can. These kits are in stock — and they ship FAST and FREE! The Jase Case from Jase Medical is a great way to keep yourself prepared for the worst. It's a pack of five different courses of antibiotics that you can use to treat a long list of bacterial infections. Go to https://JaseMedical.com and use offer code “BECK10” at checkout for $10 off your order. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Last week, global elites sauntered in with their private keys and flocked to Davos, Switzerland, and to blame the rest of us for climate change. Then their media lackeys attacked anyone who dared call them out. With a tone of disgust, the Associated Press announced, as the elites arrive in Davos conspiracy theories thrive online. CBS reported that, quote, as elites gather in Davos conspiracy theories gain traction online. Then there was CNN that warned Davos conspiracy theories used to live in fringe corners of the internet.

Now they've gone mainstream. Wow. I mean, one would say it was almost like they were getting marching orders in a memo. The words of the German philosopher ring true here, The power of an ideology is not only measured by the answers it could provide, but by the questions that it is able to suppress, end quote. Today's guest takes that as a challenge. This is an amazing, amazing man from Scotland. He has undergone quite a metamorphosis over the last couple of years.

He realizes that the people promising solutions are really. the same people responsible for the problems. As Einstein said, the people who created the problems cannot fix the problem. He called the lockdowns the biggest mistake in world history. And this man happens to know history. He's a history enthusiast. He once described Klaus Schwab as a ludicrous parody of a movie villain. I mean, I think this guy is like a brother because I've said Klaus Schwab is just a white kitty cat away from a bond villain. Same thing. Before becoming a political lightning rod, he was an archaeologist.

He was a historian, an author, and a TV presenter. He did all kinds of documentaries, documentaries, I think, over in England, I think it's for the BBC, because don't they do all of it over there? He did programs about Cleopatra and Vikings and battlefields and Scottish history. What changed is when he spoke up against COVID and lockdowns and vaccines. It's cost him a lot, even friends. But he's a scot. He's outspoken about the erosion of rights.

As he said in a recent monologue, merely to live is not enough, not nearly. What matters is to live in freedom. Even told one of our producers that he believes he and I are brothers from another mother, you'll have to decide for yourself. Please welcome Neil Oliver. Last year, because of you, this program, this network, saved over 50,000 babies' lives. It is amazing.

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Hello, Glenn Beck. I am fine. Thank you for asking. How are you? I'm very good. I don't know. if you sent the memo or I sent the memo, but we seem to be dressed almost. And I thought, I thought we're kind of like brothers from different mothers in some ways. Mothers. Yeah.

Well, we're in tune, certainly. Yeah. I will tell you that I am, I'm fascinated by you. I love people who, and is very rare, I love people who are strong in their opinion and they know what their opinion is. and then new information comes along and they're like, well, I have to reevaluate. That does not happen in today's society, but it's happening more and more. And, you know, in America, you're maybe not as well known as you are over in the UK, but you are an archaeologist.

You are a very logical man. And you are now, you've gone from, you know, stability. and the man to, I think he might be crazy. What happened? Yes. It's a good question that will take a bit of unpacking and answer. Yeah, I went to university in the 80s. I've got a degree in archaeology.

I worked in that field for a while. Then I retrained as a journalist working in newspapers, local newspapers, local weekly newspapers for a few years. Long story short, I stumbled into television in the, in the early 2000s. And I made from that time onwards for about 15 years, quite soft documentaries about archaeology, about history, celebrating landscape,

meeting interesting people along the way. Nice, soft celebratory television. And then I did go through an evolution, I suppose, around the start of, or even before COVID's, Advent and the lockdowns and all the rest of the madness. I think I put my head above the parapet a few times. Back in 2014, there was a referendum held in Scotland to decide whether or not Scotland would remain part of the Union of the United Kingdom

or strike out as an independent country. I put my head above the parapet in favour of maintaining the Union. I like Britain and said so. which made me a lightning rod for all kinds of criticism from the other side, those who fervently wanted Scottish independence. Now, hold on just a second, but it wasn't, hang on. It wasn't really Scottish independence. The choice was England or stay with the EU, which is worse, I think, right?

Well, yes, you raise a good point because amongst the arguments that I subsequently went on to make, and I wasn't alone in doing this, it seemed to me that the analogy, would be if you wanted to get divorced from your overbearing partner, might it not make sense to just be on your own, at least for a while, where what was being proposed by the Scottish National Party was a quickie divorce and then scuttle down the aisle as fast as possible to marry Europe, and even more overbearing partner. Because having broken with the rest of the UK, Scotland would have been out of the European Union in every way and would have had to reapply and would have been seeking to rejoin as an independent country, which would have

been bedevilled by problems, not least the fact that countries like Spain with the Basque separatists and Catalonia and the rest were not likely to be receptive to a separatist secessionist country joining because it would set a precedent that might have been uncomfortable. Anyway, long story short, yes, it didn't make sense to me that you would break one marriage only to get married again into even more repressive circumstances, even less independence. It didn't strike me as independence at all. Yeah, yeah. I mean, if you don't like being told what to do by a distant and overbearing partner, why on earth would you swap London for, you know, for the European Union? It didn't make any sense to me.

Yes, so that was the first time I put my head up, and I remained in trouble ever after because that debate never went away. You know, the referendum settled it. The union was maintained by a vote of 55% to 45%. But that said, the call for another referendum has never gone away. Then I was still in the public eye, I suppose, but as nothing really compared to what happened subsequently. I put my head up again around the time of the Black Lives Matter protests,

which started with you guys and then eventually went everywhere. And here in Britain, it manifests itself in, well, statues being pulled down and calls for other statues to be torn down. There was also a wholesale attack on our heritage, culture, rewriting history, portraying Britain, the British Empire, is only and always something bad. And I was quite outspoken in defence of Britain and against the tactics and really the politics of BLM. And so that attracted, I was controversial again at that point. And then I was doing that on a radio show. A friend of mine who had a radio, has a radio show, had me as a weekly guest and we would chew the fat for,

half an hour about the issues of the day. It started with BLM and then it moved on to freedom of speech, protection of heritage, the rewriting of history and all sorts of topics. Then along came COVID and lockdown, which obviously changed everybody's lives. In the midst of that, I was approached by a new startup television channel in the UK called GB News. Britain's News channel is its kind of subtitle. and I was invited to become one of its original lineup of presenters. And I said yes, and I've been doing that ever since.

That's been up and running for nearly two years now, or it'll be two years in the spring. And I've been, again, cast as controversial. G.B. News was cast as a far-right extremist home of swivel-eyed tin hat wearing loons, even before a frame of its output had gone on. television, none of which is true, I think, as anyone would admit, if they bother to watch any of the content, anyway, that's a matter of opinion that people can agree or disagree upon. Yes, you started out by saying that I've become someone who's characterized as one of the

people who have, let's say, extreme views. I don't buy that for a second. I think I stayed in place and the world slipped out from under my feet and went to a max. 100%. I'm where I always was. Yeah. I was never political. I've never been a member of a political party. For the whole of my life, I have treated politics and politicians with, well, almost contempt, really.

I'm very suspicious and cynical about the political class. Every time a general election came around, I would have to sort of hold my nose and find someone to vote for. But there was never anyone that I liked. I always just was in a position of having to pick the person that I did. dislike least. Right. So I'm not a card-carrying political supporter of the left, of the right, or of the centre. I always, I just mean, I suppose I was a centrist, but only because I didn't feel pulled to either extreme. I think I've always held quite rational, middle of the road, perhaps traditionally liberal with a small L views. I just believe in freedom, freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, freedom to protest, freedom to get on with your life with minimum government, actually, is what I believe in.

And if that makes me a contrarian and an extremist, then so be it. Yeah, I have to tell you, we're having the argument that it's, you know, Republicans, Democrats, it's this party, that party, back and forth. I've really come to the conclusion that is only a distraction. It really is, because it's happening all over. it's happening all over the world people are standing up because they're not being listened to by their government they're being ruled over they're not it's not a government of the people by the people for the people in america and it's not happening in any country you've got farmers being told what they can and cannot farm you're destroying the dutch farmer which is kind of important

you're destroying the industry of oil and gas. I mean, how do you survive in England without oil or gas or coal? So people are standing up and we're, we have to find a way to wake people up to it's not, we're not fighting with each other. They're making us believe that our fight is between each other. It's actually the people versus the elites. Oh, yes. I, Glenn, I don't just match you shirt for sure. I agree with everything that you said there in that brief summary of the problem. I have an adage that I cling to all of the time, which is it's never about what they say it's about. Yes. We're being thrown one. You know when you, sometimes people play with a cat by with a torch and they shine a light on the floor and they just move it around in the cat springs from where the bright patches to the next place where the bright patches.

Hold on just a second. Just for the American audience, I want you to know even though I hate cats, and I might play with a cat with a torch, that's the English word for flashlight. But go ahead. A flashlight. Yes, of course. Yes, not a blowtorch. I'm not talking about playing with a naked plane and a living animal. No, a flashlight.

Yes. And I think we're being distracted with one thing after another. COVID worked very well for that elite group to get everybody looking over there. Look over there, COVID. And then it has never stopped. Then it's, you know, it's climate crisis. Look at the climate. We're burning the planet to a crisp.

We'll shortly be a ball of charcoal falling through infinity, leaving a trail of smoke behind us if you listen to the prophets of doom. The war in Ukraine. The war in Ukraine is not about saving democracy. I'm not really going to say what I think the war in Ukraine is about, but it's not about saving democracy. So that's another useful distraction. Get people terrified.

May I suggest I was just on the air today and I said something that it puts me into a category that I'm uncomfortable being in because I'm a guy like you. I trusted institutions. I trusted my government. I believed in it. Enough, you know, same with politicians, but enough to go, you know, we make mistakes, but we generally try to do the right thing. I believe our government, the United States government and most Western governments are so far off the rails. I truly believe that this is all about the Great Reset. And we are, we watch our president and it is like we're itching for war.

Why would you send not defensive weapons, but offensive weapons that you know we're going to be used in the Crimea, which Putin will never do it. And even today, day number one, they're in Russia saying, they're declaring war on us. Joe Biden a year ago said if we send tanks and airplanes that, listen, folks, no joke, it'll be World War III. I think they are trying to collapse our economies. They're trying to collapse the social order so they can reset it all.

closer, as your Fabian socialist said, closer to their heart's desire? Yes, I think so. I mean, am I not right in saying that when Joe Biden pulled America out of Afghanistan, he said it was in part to do with bringing to an end, America being involved in forever wars. Yes. And I don't think it was partly to give the Air Force base, Bagram, you were part of that. Your country was part of that. We didn't consult anyone.

We just gave it. It's insane. Yes. So we pulled out, or America pulled out of a forever war and now it would appear as straight into another forever war. American politics, it's not my area. Of course it isn't. I wouldn't presume so. But I would just say that my suspicion is that a lot of what's happening in Ukraine has to do with,

with the US seeking to reestablish itself as the predominant, a predominant world power. What a great dog. Are you looking at this one? Yeah, what a great dog. I don't think you can live in Scotland without that kind of dog, can you? This is one of my Irish wolf finds. Glenn, give me a second. I'm just going to put her out of this room.

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and, you know, when I first met him, Scotland, you know, built the moon. Everything was Scottish. And I started doing my homework mainly because I wanted to put, we rip on each other hard. And so I read a book by one of my favorite historians called, I think it's how the Scottish saved the Western world or something like that. And I was astounding.

by how much of our founding, the stock and the strength, came from the Scottish. I want you to talk about that for just a bit. What did Scotland contribute to the world of freedom? And I have some follow-ups. I'm going someplace. It's a big interesting question. Scotland was, well, is a small country. small population by comparison. It's small in every way

in terms of geography and population and indeed wealth when compared to England. And it always a testy relationship with between the two. They were always like, I don't know, Big Brother, Little Brother or whatever analogy you might want to make. Then finally the crowns came together in 1603.

Elizabeth I died. She was succeeded by James the 6th and 1st. He was a Scottish king. He became the king of England and Scotland. Then in 1707, the parliaments, both the English and the Scottish Parliament were dissolved and a separate parliament of a united parliament was created in 1707. That was very controversial at the time.

When the Scottish Parliament was dissolved and the ink was drying on the paper that had dissolved that parliament, the bells in St Jell's Cathedral in Edinburgh played why am I so sad on this my wedding day, which is an old Scottish tune, which kind of summed up the mood of the people. There was a lot of, why on earth are we getting married to our old enemy? Was the theme in a way. However, that said, it became the best thing that had ever happened to either Scotland or England. Scotland and England together became much greater than the sum of the parts. And it opened the world to Scotland at that point. England effectively had an empire of a

sort. It certainly had more contacts overseas than Scotland had had independently. And by wedding with England, all of those doors were opened. You know, what's mine is yours, what's yours is mine, you know, to continue that marriage analogy. And Scotland took that opportunity by the scruff of the neck. And the Scots became really preeminent, disproportionately represented in what became the British Empire. Everywhere the British Empire went, be it to India or into Africa or anywhere else, Scots, often a disproportionately large number of Scots were at the forefront of it wherever it went. Great organisers, great administrators, great bureaucrats, great engineers, great fighting men.

So Scots, and then that bridgehead having been established by the soldiers and the, and the engineers, and the engineers and the administrators, the rest of the population really saw the opportunity as well. And so in short order, Scots were everywhere on the planet. They were there, and in most instances, they were there in helping to improve places, often by just of being there and being hardworking and industrious. And so the Scots began to reap the reward,

of the British Empire, every bit as enthusiastically as any English person did. And we now find ourselves in a situation where I think it's reasonable to estimate that there's perhaps, well, there are about five million Scots in Scotland, but there's estimated to be 50 million people of Scottish descent scattered around the globe. You know, that's the extent to which we made that impact. And so really, I think in answer to your question, I think the opportunity, of that 18th century Union opened

the world to Scotland and the Scots by nature, by inclination were ready for the off. There's an interesting bit of background as well. Before the union, before any of that happened, the reformation that happened all across Europe

where people broke away from the traditional Catholic Church and became Protestant in all various different sects and forms of the Protestant faith. in Scotland, very much the leader of the Reformation in Scotland, the man that came to the fore was John Knox, you'll know, obviously. And he insisted amongst other things that every parish, really, in Scotland,

you'd have a school. Up until that point, education had been harder to come by. It was really the preserve of the great and the good, rich men's sons were educated and not so much for the rest. John Knox and the Reformation meant that what he wanted everyone, every man, woman and child to read the Bible in English for themselves. You know, get away from bishops and the hierarchy of the church

establishes personal relationship with God. And to do that, you needed to be able to read so that you could read your Bible. And the collateral benefit of all of that was that everyone learned to read and write. And in short order, in the century following the Reformation, Scotland became the most literate population in Europe. A larger proportion of Scots, of all classes, rich and poor, male and female,

could read and write competently than any other population that you might want to point a finger at. And that was incredibly important as well because when you then subsequently got the Union, when Scotland and England came together and the world opened up, you had all these educated people. Right. You had all...

And the thoughts, the... thoughts from these educated people made their way to America and our founders used a lot of these new thoughts and really well argued thoughts to create our nation. So here's, and every time I look, I brought something. I have an incredible history museum and one of the things we collect are any tales from the Western culture. So this is one of our new acquisitions. This is the sort of braveheart

from the Mel Gibson movie. When we think... It is not. It is. Wow. Yeah, it is. When you come over, I'll let you put it on. But when we think of

the Scots, we think of people, at least in America, people who fought to be free, fought to be free. fought to be free, fought against the kings, fought against all of this stuff, and knew who they were, proud in heritage. And now the Scots are, I mean, no offense, but it's like your sheep now. What happened?

The Scottish National Party happened. When I was a kid, I'm 55, when I was growing up and becoming aware of things political, let's say, and I knew what was going on, the Scottish National Party was very small. It was a fringe movement, really, often regarded as quite an eccentric bunch, a protest group in many regards, very small in membership.

And then by very clever politicking, under a succession of competent politicians, it began to grow. And then famously under Alex Salmon, it reached a high watermark by achieving this long, long dreamt of referendum that was to decide whether or not Scotland remain part of the Union or left, as previously discussed. And then that didn't happen. Alex Salmon then stepped away and was replaced by

Nicholas Sturgeon, who is the first minister and has been ever since. And I'll be honest with you, the Scottish National Party and Nicholas Sturgeon have run Scotland into the ground. They are incompetent would be the fairest way to describe what's been going on. Everything they touch turns to, well, Yeah. Everything they touch turns to something you wouldn't want to touch or smell. And the infrastructure, the National Health Service in Scotland, education. But it's not... Having a Scottish education...

It's not just... Go ahead, go ahead. Having a Scottish education used to be something you bragged about. You know, anywhere in the world, if you had been educated at school in Scotland and then at a Scottish university, that was a badge of honour and you could hold your head high anywhere when people learned that you'd been educated in Scotland that meant something. It really meant something.

Now, education standards have fallen so far in Scotland that Nicholas Sturgeon and her SNP government have taken Scotland off of the international league tables because it's too embarrassing now to have Scotland compared with other nations because we fall so far down the league. Wow, okay. So in every way, so that is what happened.

That's what has happened to Scotland. And it's very important, I would say, Glenn, it's very important for your, for your audience to hear that the portrayal of Scotland that comes from the SNP and the Scottish government does not speak for the majority of Scots. They've never been a majority. They have control of the Scottish government, but they're still a majority party, a minority party. They are still a minority party in the Scottish Parliament.

They're given decision-making ability by an unholy alliance with the Greens, the Green Party. However, they don't speak. I think people in England, certainly, and perhaps people in North America, they might get the idea that when they hear Nicholas Sturgeon's voice, that Scotland speaking, it's not. It's the Scottish nationalist speaking. And the majority of Scots are of the sort of Scots you're still talking about. The people who want good education for their children, they want to be part of the wider world. They are welcoming to any and all, including the English. I mean, the old animosity with England is the stuff of ancient history.

There's a bit of rough and tumble around an international soccer game or an international rugby game. And it's quite fun. But it's a 90 minute situation. It's for the duration of the game. So it's important that, in my opinion, if you want to take my word for it, that the Scots are still what they always were. You just don't hear them so much. We are watching the collapse of our most trusted institutions. and I think you can hear it in this podcast.

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was probably only second to Australia or New Zealand. It instituted all of these tracking devices and now you've just declared a new national emergency as I understand it, with global warming.

And now you're being restricted on how many miles you can drive, or at least they're tracking all of it. Can you explain what's happening? And how is Scotland putting up with this? Well, as previously mentioned, it's never about what they say it's about. COVID-enabled politicians to take for themselves an inordinate amount of power,

the like of which they had never previously had. They've been drunk on that power ever since. And in the way of politicians, having shortened the leash around the people's necks, they are completely disinclined to give us any slack. So having been able to take away people's liberties in all manner of ways, they are disinclined to give them back to us,

as if they were ever theirs to give us in the first place. I mean, those rights are born rights. You know, they are rights. instituted by the universe and God or whoever it is that you take your, that you take your transcendental orders from. But having got those powers, they want to hold on to them. COVID has run out of steam. And now the climate crisis, so called, which I don't buy into at all, I believe that the climate changes in the same way that I believe the climate has been changing for billions of years. For as long as there's been an atmosphere on planet Earth,

there's been a climate. The climate changes. Subject to our relationship with the sun, we live in a solar system. That's the important word. We are driven by the sun and sometimes we go through, depending on our relationship with the sun, the angle of the tilt of the planet, the shape of our orbit from steep oval to more of a circle dictates periods of warm and periods of cold and they alternate. And even within living memory, within recorded memory, there have been very hot periods followed by cold periods. I grew up in a time when we were being told in the UK that look out there's a new ice age coming. Oh yeah, me too.

And there were photo, there were, there were mock-ups on the front pages of the newspapers showing icebergs floating down the Thames and polar bears. And one of these. And now it's, and now it's, Time Magazine did a story in 1972, I think,

talking about the ways to solve it. And one seriously discussed solution was to put soot on the polar ice cap. I mean, there are, there are, Their suggestions now are just as ridiculous, except the governments are run with these private

partner, you know, public private partnerships, the banks, the central banks, who are just looking for power and money, and they know what they've built is collapsing. So they're just building framework that will catch them. We'll all fall into the, in into the bottom. They'll be fine. And they're doing it without. even they're doing it in spite of us, in spite of us saying, no, don't do that. Yes. So your question to me was, you know, how we are responding to it. I speak to people.

People come up to me and I'm quite wrecked. I live in a small town. I live in Sterling in Scotland. It's a small town, 60,000 people or something. And I'm quite recognizable. And people, I talk to people all the time. I get letters from people all over the world. People write, I don't have any of them to hand at the moment, but I get letters every day addressed, they don't even have my address. They come to, their address

to Neil Oliver, the guy off the telly. Or there'll be a picture of me, sometimes drawn by hand, and an arrow saying this guy, and the postman delivers all these letters to me. And so I'm able to take quite a good straw poll of what's out there in the wider population, and people

are not happy. They don't get to voice, they don't get to air their opinions in the way that I do. You know, you and I are very fortunate in that we have platforms and we're able to get the word out about what we're saying, but there's a huge groundswell of population out there who know, who have awoken at different times, in their own time, in the same way that I did. We're all operating on different internal clocks and different things trigger different people and make them aware. There's all these people out there. Too many, I think. That lump of the population now that is awake, has tuned into what's going on and doesn't like it, is more and more numerous. And I think the elite, the powers that be in whatever, I think they have a real problem.

I think they have a tiger by the tail now. You know, you talk about these public-private partnerships. The World Economic Forum, you know, operating out of Switzerland, Klaus Schwab being its boss, you know, he talks and has been talking since the 1970s about stakeholder capitalism. Right. Which when you boil it down, it basically means. giving the boards of huge transnational corporations the decision-making power in lieu of national governments.

So instead of... The government is actually kind of in charge. It's more fascistic. I mean, isn't this the definition of fascism? The public-private partnership? Yes, it's a tyranny. Right. I come up.

A couple of things. You mentioned the impact that Scots had had in North America. And obviously, I would echo that. I'm very aware of a man, a character, Francis Hutchison, who in the latter part of the 18th century, so the 1700s, 1770s something, he held the chair, he was the professor of moral philosophy at Glasgow University. And he taught, he preached almost, that rather than being manna from heaven, falling randomly onto the heads of the blessed, happiness. happiness was something that ought to be worked for. And furthermore, he suggested that to make yourself happy, the best way to do that was to work with all of the strength of your body and spirit

to improve the lot and the lives of others. Yes. And that the collateral benefit thereby would be your happiness. You would make yourself happy almost by accident. Correct. By making other people's lives better. Now, one of the people that he that picked up that lesson in his classrooms was John Wetherspoon. John Wetherspoon was eventually invited to be the second president of what became

Princeton University. He became the second president. He's also, of course, a signatory of the Declaration of Independence. And there's good reason for speculating that the very idea of life, life, love and the pursuit of life liberty and the pursuit of happiness, the pursuit of happiness might be an echo of Witherspoon that happiness was to be earnestly pursued. It wasn't a gift. It didn't just happen to lucky people. It was the obligation, the responsibility of each one of us to pursue with all the fiber in our beings, happiness.

And by that pursuit, we would make the people around us, the communities, the families. We would make those people happier as well. So there was something fundamental and profound that came out of. of the Enlightenment, the Scottish Enlightenment, that went around the world. And there's certainly good reason for thinking. It certainly had an influence on that gathering that was working out and talking about

what the nature of the new country of the United States of America was going to be. And I also come back all the time to Magna Carter, 1215. That was a grand charter that was sealed. The King John couldn't, didn't sign it. He sealed it with a seal into wax. He was made to acknowledge a document that can be summarized as saying, even the king is subject to the law.

Even the king is subject to the law. You don't just get to do what you want because you're powerful and because your dad was the king as well. That's not how it works. You're subject to the law. And Magna Carta enshrines something else which is fundamental, which is that even if you're told that government has power, It doesn't. The only entity that is sovereign is the people. That people are sovereign. And all of the power rests with the people. And people need to be reeducated in the fundamental concept that we lend our power to our elected representatives. And when their time in office comes to an end, they hand that power back to the people to then redistribute it again. And all of this nonsense that's going on at the moment.

moment, this public partnership stakeholder capitalism. This is just a ruse by a narrow elite of people that want to centralise power. They want to take control of energy. They want to take control of the food. They want to take control of our currencies,

our finances. They want control of everything. They want centralised, top-down power. And we're being distracted left and right by COVID, a pandemic, another pandemic in two years' time. Climate crisis, war in Ukraine, And in the background, all of these pieces on the chessboard are being moved without us noticing it to enable the kind of tyranny that you're describing.

And people need to waken up to something quite simple, which is that they, we, the people, there's eight billion of us and there's a few thousand elite. We have the power. And we are not to be told what to do. On the contrary, we tell them what to do. And the sooner the mass of the populations remember that inalienable right, then the happier will. I just read something that was done on American radio in 1937. I think it's called the fall of the city. And it's profound.

And it talks about how the city or the empire falls. And it is the people that just give up their freedom. They are so afraid of something else that when the conqueror comes, and in this case, the armor is completely empty, there's nothing there. That the people cheer and say, thank God we got rid of freedom. It was corrupting us. All of these things. That's exactly what's happening right now. And I, you know, I've struggled with this for a while, and this one of the reasons I love to.

talking to you is I love to see people who woke up and what woke them up. Because we don't make it if they build this whole system. It's going to be harder to get out once this whole, you know, China is the model kind of system. How do we wake people up? What has to be said to people? What do they need to see? To realize, for instance, the World Economic Forum, that's not a conspiracy theory, it's a conspiracy fact, and it's all out in the open. Yeah, well, conspiracy theories get a bad rap. Right. For a start.

Right. I mean, let's agree on that point. I mean, conspire literally means to breathe together. You know, it's where your heads are close enough together that you can, that you're sharing each other's breath while you're talking to one another. That's conspiring. And, you know, that's what has been going on for a lot of people who have awoken that while they were locked down in their homes. I love how

that prison parlance became the common speak of the free people. Lockdown, excuse me. But in lockdown, people conspired because they were in their homes together and they started to talk and thank God for the internet, you know, people were able to conspire online and share ideas

and reassure one another that they were not alone and they hadn't gone mad that there were thousands and then tens of thousands and hundreds of thousands and millions of people who believe and think the same thing. So, conspiracy gets a bad rap. Thank goodness for conspiracy, to be quite honest with you. That's why some of us are where we are today by sharing breath. How do we get out of it? I think people need to be reminded

of that which they know to be true. You know, when you take it all the way back to, you know, what's known in, well, and certainly historically in Britain as common law, but if you take it even further back to natural law, everyone knows right from wrong. You know, that's the premise of of natural law. Everyone knows right and wrong. Whether they choose to choose the right or the wrong, that's personal, but everyone knows the difference between.

And people, because of that, are more than capable of governing themselves. That's, you're talking about government of the people, by the people and for the people. What's being instituted at the moment, certainly here, but all across the West, is a framework within which

and it's been there for a long time where governments legislate they make up law that's what legislation is they conjure up laws out of nowhere and they then retain to themselves the power to enforce those laws and also to punish

those who break the laws that is the definition of tyranny if your governing body makes the laws, imposes the laws and punishes breaches of that law, that means they're holding all the levers of power. Common law, which is there in Magna Carta, but it's much older than Magna Carta, it's a thousands of years old principle, really enshrines within it the power of the jury. You know we get trial by jury? Well, people have forgotten what that really means. in the original iteration, trial by jury was manifesting the democracy of the people.

It was manifesting the power of the people. Because when someone was brought for trial before a jury of their peers, of people just like them, that jury of 12 people in England or 15 people in Scotland was empowered, actually obliged, not just to decide the guilt or innocence of the accused, but to judge the justice of the law. And it meant that even if the evidence demonstrated that a person had broken the law, had broken the legislation,

it didn't automatically mean that they had to be convicted. The jury had the power to say, yes, I've heard all of that, I know the law, and I've heard the evidence, and we as a majority still think that person should be acquitted. And furthermore, we're setting aside that law as not good. That was called nullification by jury. You were nullifying the law.

And it meant that government could set the law, but the people ultimately had the power to say, no, not good enough. That person goes free. In a true jury trial, you only need one person. You only needed one person to say, I'm not persuaded of that person's guilt. and the verdict of that jury was then not guilty, even though 11 people had said that that person was. You only needed one, okay? The power in the jury, the jury, as it properly was instituted,

is the most powerful manifestation of the power of the people to make sure that we and not our rulers decide on the justice of the law itself. And people need to be reminded of some of these fundamentals, the government is here today and gone tomorrow or should be, but the people are sovereign and are always here, and the power is always ours. And that's what people really need to be reminded of. People fundamentally need to be reminded of the sacrosanct,

the absolute untouchable, the inviolability of the right, the born right of the human being. we are not governed by others. We govern ourselves. Our rights are not given to us by the powerful. You're not given your freedom by the police or by the government. You are born free. You are a free individual.

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I heard an essay that you delivered that was, I wonder what would happen if we all all just stop paying taxes. If we all said, you know, and you went through a hundred different ideas. And that's a, it's a great idea, but it only works if we all would do it. Right? Yeah. We all have to be on the same page. And when I listen to you, to me, everything rings true.

I know history. I've thought this out for 30 years. And I know who. the people are. I know where the money comes from. I know how the system works that they're playing. But if you, if you listen to you and you're not awake yet, you sound incredibly dangerous. Well, it's, it's only about, I'm not, I'm a, I just can, I'm not the best, I've never been the best at anything. I'm not, I'm just a reasonable guy. I'm just, I know, but reason, reason in common sense are not part of the ruling class lingo anymore.

You know, you mentioned that when I said what would happen if we, if we didn't pertinent. You mentioned fascism, actually, which is, I mean, you'll know this, but it's always interesting. It's always useful to be reminded that the word comes from, the root is fashy, FASCI, I think. And it goes all the way back to Rome. And it describes, it's a bundle of sticks. bound together

because a single twig is easily snapped but a bundle of sticks is almost impossible you can't put that over your knee and break it so that it's a reminder that people singly are vulnerable

but together are indomitable so and that it's important to remember the power of people backing one another up as you say if they get you on your own you've had it but if people just come together

then they are absolutely indomitable and when I talked about you know, not paying taxes or I suggest, you know, imagine if we all just stop paying our mortgages all at once and our rents, you stop. There's not enough jails in the world to put everybody in mortgage jail. So actions like that. And I also say that I think it's time to think the unthinkable when it comes to some elements. I think they've got us into so much debt that the debts need to be written off. Yeah. You know, if you go back into history, and you'll know this as well. Jubilee, I mean, we just had, before her late majesty passed, died, we had her

platinum Jubilee. And Jubilee is an ancient tradition. You know this? Yes. Whereby every 50 years or so, typically, it was the seventh, seven times seven, fourteenth, seven Sabbaths after seventh Sabbaths, all debts were cancelled. And all the people who were enslaved in an ancient kingdom, who were enslaved by their debt, were set free and allowed to go home. It was like the end of a game of monopoly because you know how a game of monopoly works. Eventually one person's got everything. Right. And everybody else has got nothing. So that's it. There's no more fun to be had. Right. And all the money goes back into the bank to the dealer and you'll start again. Well, Jubilee had that, it was supposed to have that effect. And it was, it was canny thinking by the

kings because the last thing a king wanted was for any or some of his aristocrats to have amassed so much power in the form of the debt of people beholding to them that they might be able to use those people as an army to overthrow the king. And so it was always in the king's interests every 50 years in a kingdom for the king

to say, right, it was the job blow, the horns, a ram's horn was the jublo, they blew the horn, that's it, everyone go home, all debts are cancelled. That's unthinkable because people will tell you all the reasons why you can't do that. Oh, you know, people's pensions will collapse and, you know,

there'll be chaos and carnage and all the rest of it. And, you know, that's probably true. However, some form of that has to be faced up to because we have been indebted deliberately by, you know, fractional reserve banking and all the rest of the insanity that ensued in the US from the Fed was created in 1913 when everybody was on holiday for Christmas and they slipped through the ability for these people

to, you know, to make money out of nothing and lend it and lend it and lend it and lend it. But everybody into debt. Hold it just a second. Will you please tell the story? story because I had never heard of it. The English, the bank of England is printing money, debt. It's all, you know, people are starting to say, I want my silver or gold from the bank of England. And the British government issued some kind of note. I've never heard this before.

Oh. Can you explain that? Yeah. Yeah, it was on the eve of the First World War. So it was in 1914. and everyone knew war was coming, but it hadn't quite happened. Britain declared war in August. I think it was May June. You could see the storm clouds building. And as people always do, when a war's coming, they want to get tangible wealth, you know, get hold of whatever you've got. So in those days, it always said on the old foldout, you know, the huge banknotes that look at, they're so big.

It said on them, promised to pay the bearer on demand the sum of £1, £10,000, $50,000. whatever. You could literally go to the bank, hand over your bit of paper, and be given that amount of gold back. That's what we had with the Federal Reserve. Yes. Right. And so, so the banks immediately realize we've got a run here. This is going to, this is going to run. This is to be a run on the banks. And we'll go and we won't be able to, and the government won't be able to pay for the war. You won't be able to buy any tanks or guns or uniforms. So they went crying to the government at that point and said, you're going to have to, so they shut the banks on the, Friday night. It was a bank holiday

coming, so they shut the banks. And what was issued, what was very quickly agreed, and a bill was put through Parliament to make all of this a reality, a bill was put through Parliament to create not notes from, not bank notes

from the bank, but treasury notes, because obviously the government has a treasury from the days of kings. There's a treasury. And they were issued as treasury notes and they were backed by the government. They're not backed by the bank.

They were backed by the government. And if you like, they were written against the value of the country. The country itself as an entity was valued at some billions of pounds in 1913. And also, even more importantly, it was the potential of the people, the energy, the creativity, the just the will of the people. was also had a value put on it and that was underwriting these treasury notes the signature that was on them

was from the chief secretary to the treasury at that time was a guy called John Bradbury I think it's John it's definitely Bradbury and the people accepted them as Bradbury pounds and he was really respected

or he had a lot of credibility just because his name was there so people were handing these and they said Bradbury so they started calling them Bradbury Pounds. And they've gone down in history as the Bradbury Pound. And so the banks reopened on a Monday morning or whatever. I think they stayed closed rather than a one-day bank holiday. The bank stayed closed for about three or four days while this was hustled through. The Bradbury Pounds were issued and the people took them. And the people back in 1913 had faith

in the country, were patriotic. And they believed in each other. They believed yes. As, you know, the millions of us here and the natural wealth of the country, this. is underscoring this. And so they didn't go to the bank and demand or gold. So it stopped the run on the, there was no run on the pound. There was no run on the currency. And it got, it got the banks out of that terrible hole. The interesting, tragic, really, corollary is within a few months, the banks realized, well, they knew right away, we're not having this. Because these, these Bradbury pounds were debt-free, were not sorry, were interest-free.

They weren't being, you didn't, if you were, if you took out 10 Bradbury pounds and you had to repay it, you only repaid 10. There was no interest on them. Imagine that. Imagine no interest on a loan. You borrow a thousand pounds to buy a car.

You pay a thousand pounds back. Okay, there was no interest on them. And the banks took one, look at these treasury notes and said, enough. We're not going to make any money out of this war. There was a killing to be made in the war, literally and metaphorically, but only if the banks got back to issuing bank notes. And they did, and the interest rate that the banks established when the Bradbury pounds were withdrawn, bank notes came back in, and the interest on them, the interest on loans or the interest rate that was set at that time was about three and a half percent. And four years later, after the war, everyone had made a lot of money.

not people like you and me but the arms manufacturers and the already wealthy that had stakes in all of this, as is the case in every war, every war there's ever been, a handful of people get very, very rich off the back of it and so the banks stepped in

still in 1914 and said, right, enough of the Bradbury pound that got people out of that temporary loss of confidence. Now confidence has been reinstated, restored by the Bradbury pound. Let's get back to business as usual. Three and a half percent. please let's all get rich let me um let me take you back to covid for a second what do you uh what do you

make of the uh is there such a thing as excess deaths is there something are we just you know when you buy a car and you're looking at a white car all of a sudden you start to see that white you know forward everywhere um are we just noticing or is there something going on because i don't believe anybody. I don't believe anybody anymore. As well as it's never about what they say it's about, I also live by, once

you see it, you can't unsee it. Correct. So as you say, once you notice, you remember those 3D pictures that were a craze for a while? At first glance, they look like just fuzz, but then if you kind of squinted at them, you could make an image step forward in 3D.

And once it was there, you couldn't make it go away. But, you know, it was just, oh, how did I see the car or the stag or whatever. Once you see this nonsense, it's there in three dimensions and you can't not see it. COVID excess deaths. Yes, at the moment, I'm seeing figures at the moment. I'm paying a lot of attention to this at the moment. There's a fantastic guy that I've spoken to throughout this.

A guy called Dr. John Campbell. I don't know if you've run across any of his content on YouTube. And he follows the stats. very good. I've spoken to him online and offline and whatever. He's at the moment but just before Christmas the excess deaths

which is to say people dying of things other than COVID were running at about 2,000 a week at the moment it's about 3,000 excess deaths a week in England the Scottish figures are kept

separately by Nicholas Sturgeon for our own reasons and I'm not sure of the figures, the latest figures, but it's running at about 3,000 a week, I think, in England. And a very worrying, I mean, it's a worrying number anyway,

but a proportion of those are people who are dying at home. You know, they're dying those kind of deaths that people aren't aware of until the milk bottles and the mail starts building up outside their front door. And people think, where's Janet? Where's John?

And then the police come and they break in they find someone dead in their seat or dead in their bed. People who weren't old, weren't ill, they weren't being treated for anything, they didn't have cancer or chronic heart disease, they just died. And by definition, dying at home means you're not worried about anything. You're not at the doctors. You're not in the emergency room at a hospital. You're at home going about your business and you stop being alive for no reason

that anybody saw coming. these kinds of deaths are worrying and inappropriate and that's why they're called excess. And so there's all sorts of reasons being bandied about. I mean, obviously two years of lockdown, a lot of us from early on were saying this will be catastrophic. Locking people in their homes, stopping social contact is going to affect people's immune systems.

It's going to stop people getting access to health. They can't get to the doctors. People that were a wee bit worried about. Mental health. Mental health. Mental health. And so what we're seeing now, I mean, a tsunami built up, you know, the great, the water pools out. That's what happened during lockdown.

The tide disappeared. And now the wave, the great big wave is coming back in. And we're starting to see it in the form of these excess deaths. So people are dying of untreated conditions. As you say, mental health was damaged, all sorts of things. And then, of course, there's all the unasked. The questions you're not supposed to ask, and even if you ask them, you don't get answers about the vaccine. you know, more and more people are coming forward.

We know that the vaccines, or I don't even call them vaccines, the products sold as vaccines, those medical products, those gene therapies, have definitely caused people's deaths and have caused people's long-term hurt. You know, they're now, vaccines are not being offered to under-50s in the UK all of a sudden. And you say, well, we've been told for two and a half years

that they're safe and effective. Why can't the under-50s have? have them anymore. And if they're only safe and only effective, and if they've saved millions of lives, can we ask some questions maybe about all these excess deaths? We know that people have died and been permanently injured on account of the products that sold as vaccines.

That's showing up on coroner's reports. We know that for a fact. But if you ask the question, when some young footballer face plants in the middle of a game, age 25, fit as a butcher's dog. Why? Did that, was that,

could that have anything to do with the vaccine? Then that question is shouted down, even though it's always legitimate to ask why a young, otherwise healthy person has died. So it's a complicated one. And the nature of the censorship and the silencing means that we're not able to have

a proper grown-up conversation and face up to the fact that thousands of people more than would have died at this time of year last year, have died at this time this year, and they haven't done. of COVID, can we please have a proper drains up investigation into exactly what is going on? You try having that conversation with the people in power and you get brushed aside pretty quickly.

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I want to, I've said so much more to ask you about, but Neil, I think I want to end this conversation here. You're an archaeologist, a real highly educated man. You've studied history. And I know it would be a pure guess. but where are we on the scale of civilizations? What if you went out a hundred years, what do you see that you think we might find a hundred years from now about this time period and about the next 10 or 20 years?

Where are we headed? I, well, I think this ought to go down as a, time of madness. Yes. This is a time in which we have become unmoored from much of the wisdom that we acquired during the last several hundred

if not several thousand years. We have lost the plot. We haven't, but we are being encouraged to drift into a place of madness. We are told to dismiss everything that became

culture building and common sense, over 5,000 years, throw it all out. To me, it's readily summarized by the fact that here in Britain, front-ranked politicians,

including the leader of the opposition party, Kier-Starmor of the Labour Party, the leader of the Labour Party, a prime minister in waiting, if you like, can't or won't define what a woman is. When asked the question, what is a woman he obfuscates and dodges the question we have a supreme court justice that was asked the same question

and and and was asked in an open hearing to to confirm her spot on the supreme court she couldn't defy she said i'm not a scientist what that yeah so that for me is shorthand for the fact that we have become unmoored from reality, sanity and reason. Kenneth Clark's a history, an art critic really, but he made a very, a landmark television series in the 70s called Civilization, and there's a book

that went with it, which I have on my shelf over there, and he speculated about where civilization comes from and where it goes. And he said that in essence, civilizations don't collapse because of pressure from without, from outside, barbarians,

whatever. They collapse from within. And why do they collapse from within? You mentioned that idea of people for whom freedom becomes too onerous, too much of a responsibility. There's another wonderful book by Eric Hoffer, True Believer, where he describes how popular mass movements evolve. And there's always an extent to which people are persuaded that the past is bad, the presence is pretty lousy, and only the future is worth having. And that's always an easy argument to make because the future doesn't exist. And so nothing's gone wrong with it yet. So you sell people in the future and you make them distance themselves from the past. But in civilisation, Kenneth Clark said that people become exhausted.

And they get the, because it was many generations ago that the civilization was established, every succeeding generation takes it for granted a little bit more. Yes. Until eventually you get people, you get a generation of people who, too many them think that order and the kind of life we have is just in the natural order of things. Yes. When, of course, you've only got to look out at the wider world to see what the natural order of things actually gives you. And it's chaos and its mob rule and its violence.

But too many people get too distanced from the hard work of creating civilization and think that civilization just happens and they become lazy and complacent. And they become bored with it. Hannah Arendt, when she talked about the banality of evil, she also suggested, that people take their present circumstances for granted and they just want something else, anything else. I think that's the period that we're moving through. And of course, at any point from the future,

people will look back and you can always suggest that anisiclosis has a role to play. Now, that's a way of looking at the evolution of civilization by Polybius, who was a Greek historian and thinker thousands of years ago, he said that you've got a turning wheel, a rotation, a revolution. You start with a good king who appears out of chaos and creates peace, like a kind of King Arthur, who creates a camelot and everything's great.

But then his son didn't have to fight for Camelot. So he doesn't care as much. And then his son is even worse, and around him grows powerful men. aristocrats, they eventually overthrow a weak prince, and you've got aristocracy rather than monarchy. The first band of aristocrats are all right as well. They've got ideas. That degenerates as well. They pass the power to their sons and daughters, and eventually it degenerates into oligarchy, which is the rule of rich men who are only in power because they're wealthy. That's where we are. Eventually the people, eventually the people get tired of the

oligarchs and they overthrow them. And that means you've got democracy. You've got people power. And the first democracy is good because people had to fight for it and struggle and achieve it and overthrow the oligarchs. But again, a few generations down, it degenerates and you've got people taking democracy for granted, which is where we are now. And that degenerates into mob rule. And we all know about mob rule. We see it in third world countries and all the rest of it. It's chaos. Out of the mob rule rises. A demagogue, a charismatic figure who says,

follow me and I'll take you to the Sunlit Uplands again. And the demagogue is false. He's a straw man. He's hollow. The demagogue is eventually overthrown by the good king. And where are we now? Then you're back at the midnight again. You're back at the top of the clock.

And then the whole process starts again. In answer to your question, I think we're at that point now where people that are taking it all for granted. It's the democracy that people have become bored with. They think that you just have peace on the streets, law and order, equality before the law, safety to walk the streets at night, all of this magic, you turn up at a bus stop and a bus comes, you go to an ATM and you put your card in and money comes out. People think that these things just happen.

But we've now entered into the period where, Too many, too large a proportion of the population are taking all of that for granted. And they think anything would be better than this. And the problem we've got is that there are people out there, like the WEF, like the WHO, the World Health Organization, like all these transnational corporations, like Black Rock and Vanguard and State Street, who are more than happy to step in and offer people that's something else. But what the people don't appreciate is that that's something else is going to end up

being something they really don't like. And tragically, I think, for too many of them, it will always. Only be when they've got it, when they're in that digital cage made of central bank digital currencies and digital IDs and social credit systems a la the Chinese Communist Party, that model. Only when that gates, that cage door slams shut, click. Will people see, how did this happen? Well, this is how that happens. All right. Well, I don't want to leave us on that.

He has one more thing. I don't want to leave that. I'm a miserable bastard, Glenn. I know. I know. I'm not invited to a lot of parties because that's usually the way where I end too. I can be up. I can lift it.

I can lift it. But you know, I am optimistic. I make myself be optimistic. I am married, but married a long time. My wife is a much more positive force than I am. So we're in that, we're that yin and yang thing. Yeah, yeah. You know, that's sound of my wife's same.

Lighten back. She takes me by the throat and lifts me up. Right. And so I take. But she makes, I become, I obtain optimism from her biosmosis. If I stand closer to my wife, it seats into me. It is so, I'm telling you, we are brothers. I said to my wife at one point, I'm stealing light from you.

I just, because I felt like a black hole. And it's like, I should tell you, I'm just sucking all the goodness and light out of you. I do it all the time. Some people radiate energy and the rest of us are sponges for it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, so when I'm in my, when I'm fully charged, when I've stood close enough to her battery to get back up to 65, 70%. I remind myself that plenty of people have learned this as well. So you know that bit in Lord of the Rings?

When Frodo and is talking to Gandalf, they're in the minds, Moria. It's all dark. It's just at the start of the fellowship of the ring. And in the darkness, Frodo says to Gandalf, I wish this hadn't happened to me. I love this. I wish I didn't have to do it. And Gandalf says, I'm paraphrasing, nobody that finds themselves in a situation like this

wants it to happen to them. We don't get to choose the time that we are in. We only get to decide what to do with the time that we have. And that is fundamentally true. At any minute, you can make the worst of things or the best of things. Both of those things, it's like Schrodinger's cat. You can have success and failure. are in the box all at the same time.

And you don't know what you're going to get until you open the box. And plenty of people over the last couple of years have actually benefited from this experience because it's been dark, but it's also been a slap in the face. Yeah. You, they are sleeping. Wake up. Yeah. And a lot of people have,

that was sore, what? And people are awake. And it's not everybody. It's possibly not even the majority. But you don't need the majority. You just need a very active, awake, a aware, reasoned, thinking, group of people acting in concert,

acting together, and we can turn this ship around. That's the way to end it. Thank you very much, Neil. Really appreciate it. I hope to talk to you again. I've done all the talking.

I've done all the talking. Well, you are the guest. Rambling on and on and on. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Big string. That's funny. Neil, I wanted to talk to you and we just didn't get around to it about Jeremy Clarkson. Is he going to survive this?

Oh, I tell you what, Glenn. I've been reading Jeremy Clarkson columns and books for years. I love him. Love him. Top gear. The Grand Tour. His latest thing of the farm, you know, where he's exposed the reality of what it is to farm with all the regulations and all the rest of it. He's brilliant. Brilliant. And why people decide, well, why anyone just took,

was suddenly surprised that he's taken a paw, he said something about, about, about Megan Markle, okay. And, but he's been saying some pretty offensive stuff about all sorts of, his whole life, his whole life. That's his schick. Right. That's his schick. You know, he zones in on somebody and he rips them a new one. That is, that is what he does. And he makes people look silly. That's what he does. And, you know, it's always somebody's turn. to get it from Jeremy, but he's a supremely clever writer and a supremely clever broadcaster.

You don't get many of people with that skill set. Oh, I agree. And you certainly don't throw them away when you find one. But what he demonstrates in living color, VistaVision, is you cannot appease the mob. Yep. I've had it. I'm sure you've had it.

I did things years, whatever, and people said to me, you're going to have to take down that tweet or you're going to have to apologize for that. And I've never done either. Jeremy's mistake was he apologized. And these people don't want an apology. No, they want a skin. They want you to expose your throat so that they can rip it out.

And the moment Jeremy Clarkson started to say, I shouldn't have said that and I wish I hadn't. That was it. His throat was exposed and they went for him. and if that happens to someone as big metaphorically and literally he's about six and a half feet tall and he bestrides the world of broadcasting like a silver back in the jungle

if that can happen to him to watch because that means that can happen to anybody Megan Markle did it to peers Morgan as well he was another big beast in the broadcast jungle she you know she brought him down too and so the lesson there boys and girls ladies and gentlemen is don't try to appease the mob. You stand firm and you say, I said what I said, take it or leave it.

Yeah. You know, and here in America, nobody's going to affect my life by saying, I think she's the worst thing. I don't really like the royal family at all. But she, I think, is one of the worst things to happen to the royal family since, well, King Charles. So. It's certainly looking that way, Glenn. Yeah.

I'm not, I'm pretty ambivalent. The Royal family for me are just there a bit like the Cairngoram Mountain Range or red pillar boxes or whatever or Buckingham Patel. They're just there. Yeah. I don't.

And in the same way that I don't like statues getting torn down, I just said, they're all, they're just there. Just let them get on with it. You know, they're fun to watch. They're like the Simpsons, but not yellow. Just watch them. Because, you know, they do stuff just as bonkers

as Barton Homer. Just watch. Just a reminder, I'd love you to rate and subscribe to the podcast and pass this on to a friend so it can be discovered by other people.