The Glenn Beck Program - Ep 187 | 'Podfather' Adam Curry Was SCARED to Tell Joe Rogan THIS | The Glenn Beck Podcast

Episode Date: May 27, 2023

After years as an atheist, former MTV VJ Adam Curry did the unthinkable: He told Joe Rogan to give Jesus a chance. But it wasn’t an easy task. Adam joins Glenn to tell the story of how he arrived at that “scary” moment when he knew he had to tell his friend — and millions of listeners — about how Christianity transformed his life. But, as he tells Glenn, it didn’t happen all at once. God has been working on him and through him for a long time. But now, he has fully joined the fight against evil: “We’re at the never-again moment.” Glenn and Adam go on a journey through the battlefield of today’s broken world, from the roots of transgenderism and its effects on teenage girls to the devastating power of Big Pharma. Adam — as the “black sheep” of a family with plenty of ties to the military and intelligence worlds (his uncle was even a CIA agent) — also provides insight into the deep state, including the history of shady intelligence operations like “Operation Paperclip.” This leads seamlessly into a discussion about Big Tech and AI and why he’s much more optimistic about it than Glenn is. As Adam argues, there’s plenty to be hopeful about. He tells Glenn, “When you change your words, you’ll change your world.” This episode is proof. SPONSORS: When you buy socks from https://grip6.com/BECK, you’re supporting American ranchers and American manufacturers and getting a pair of socks that keep your feet warm in the winter and cool in the summer. The Jase Case from Jase Medical is a great way to keep yourself prepared for the worst. It's a pack of five different courses of antibiotics that you can use to treat a long list of bacterial infections. Go to https://JaseMedical.com and use offer code BECK at checkout to get a special discount. Home Title Lock. Home title fraud is growing 2.5x faster than credit card fraud. You could be a victim and not even know it. Visit https://HomeTitleLock.com and use the promo code BECK to get 30 days of free protection. Try the one-of-a-kind Sweatblock wipes today for 20% off with promo code BECK at https://www.Sweatblock.com; or you can even get these magic Sweatblock wipes on Amazon! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Well, if that is the case, we should all be relieved because the man just became a Christian and the best kind, I think. He got to start as a DJ on pirate radio, and he's kept that spirit ever since. Shortly after his time as a VJ at MTV, he dove into the world of podcasting. Actually, a better way to put that is he's the guy who really invented or created the world of podcasting by starting the first RSS feeds. Hence, his title, The Podfather.

He has also earned the title of Conspiracy Therapist. the last time he was on the podcast. We covered, I think, every imaginable topic, but a lot has happened in the past year. And I've changed and he's changed. Today's guest is a pretty safe bet you are in for an fascinating hour. Please welcome back to the program, Adam Curry. Before we begin, let's talk about the uncomfortable topic of sweatiness. There was a doctor at Harvard.

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Use the promo code, Beck. Welcome back. Thank you. It's so good to be here. It really is. I have to say right off the bat, you've had some amazing guests on recently. I'm so honored to be here. Oh, wow.

Jonathan Khan blew me away. Right away had to read his book. Was it The Return of the Gods? And I hadn't seen it. I guess it was an older interview with Felix Rodriguez. Oh, yeah. A couple of years old. But it aired recently.

You put it on again. And he's really good friends with my uncle, Don Gregg. That's the CIA guy, right? And Don is still with us. He's now 95. And he, I think they talk at least once or twice a year. And he always loves, he's a great story. I always loved telling the story about when he was station chief in Vietnam in the 70s,

and they had some kind of party, you know, almost like an ambassador-type deal. And Felix would come in from the battlefield with his fatigued, with hand grenades strapped to his belt and mud on his boots and like, you know, I can only say for a few minutes, Don, I'm going to go. So seeing him, because I've never met Felix was like, wow, that just all kind of came together. Yeah. He gives some great guess. It's really cool.

Thank you. He's a great guy. Phenomenal guy. Yeah, I just saw him in Florida at the governor's inaugural or inauguration. Right. Uh-huh. And he's aged. Well, he's in the 90s now as well, right?

Yeah, of course. So I want to, I have so much to talk to you about. Okay, I'm sorry. I need you get that out. Like an expert on everything. And, but I want to hear about, I, it was an awkward interview when you were, you were, telling Joe Rogan about your turn to Christianity. And I just don't think he understood, you know,

I don't think he understood it exactly. I'm not throwing him under the bus. No, no, I actually, he was very kind. And I knew he would be kind. And I also knew that I had to say this. It had to get out. The Holy Spirit was working through me big time. You were an atheist.

Totally. You are now talking about the Holy Spirit. I know, I know. Crazy. Well, as I explained then, and I think we talked about it the last time we were together, I talked about Naomi Wolfe who had written these substacks, and, you know, she's now, I guess you would call her a messianic Jew, and she converted to Christianity because she was in all the hoity-to-to-dy Upper East Side, you know, elite dinner parties and hearing these people

talking, you know, financially about how they were going to screw people or didn't care about, you know, just people. And she concluded that that. evil. These people aren't evil, but there's evil there is. And the conclusion is then there has to be a good side. And so exactly what I told Joe is I have always approached all the conspiracy theories. I love it. I've learned a lot from you. It always ends with George Soros at the end of the Blackboard. It's always George Soros at the end. I wish we would have left him on that studio that looked like the moon. Unfortunately, now Alexander is up next. So we have to keep eye on him.

He's worse. and I just started to study it and I just started to read books and within two, three weeks I was like, this is real. And there's even these days, even more evidence. Was it, Metaxus, I think's his name. He just wrote a book.

Eric Metaxis. Have you spoken to him? Oh, yeah, I have a good friend. Phenomenal. Yeah, his book about atheism. It's just like, wow, there's so much out there and so much written. And it's far surpasses anything you could read about 9-11 or JFK or any of that stuff.

So, and then it just grabbed me. And luckily, my wife is on the same journey with me at the same time. Oh, that's fantastic. Yes. Was she an atheist too? Yeah. Well, she grew up Catholic, but, you know, totally lapsed. Right.

And it never really grabbed her. And I think she'd been looking, I knew she'd been looking longer than I had. I mean, I grew up my parents with Unitarian. It was like, yeah, I know. all I remember is we drove at three in the morning for hours, went up on the hill, and then at sunrise played Cat Stevens, morning has broken. And I'm like Unitarianism is not for me. Neither is Cat Stevens.

The first time that I ever went to a Unitarian church, it was on the town green in Connecticut. And I went in, and I'm sitting there, and halfway through, preacher gets up to give a sermon. And he said, now y'all know that I don't believe in God. But they should have that on the door someplace outside. What was really interesting, though, and I didn't really witness it all up that close. My dad was the last 10 years of his life, he was basically deteriorated and he was in a home. But he decided about three years before he passed, he became a Christian. He got baptized and everything.

Now, he's living in the Netherlands, so it was a little distant from me, and we didn't really have a great relationship. So now it's kind of interesting, like, oh, you know, I'll see you again. And we'll have a, we'll have a different relationship. But all these things were nudges, all these things were little clues. And man, once you accept, I got baptized, you know, literally on April 19th, it was like, it was such a phenomenal moment. And the people that come into your life, the how things change is, it's really mind-boggling. So that's what I think when I was watching you with Joe, I wanted to ask the question instead. How have you changed?

How is this? Because I look, when it comes to religion, I have my belief in religion, but God is different than religion. You know what I mean? And I found my religion, I found my religion is a great framework for me to help. help me be a better man. Whether we die and, you know, we wake up, you know, in a dirt box, I'm going to be surprised. But I was a better man while I was alive because of that. So how have you changed? Well, the first thing is I've realized that he has been working through me for a long time. Always. I remember very well 1990 is when, you know, this is, you know, and I love scripture

and stuff sticks in my head. You know, it's like, um, if by, worrying can you gain a single hour of your life or don't worry about tomorrow for tomorrow has enough to worry about itself and there was a moment in 1990 where I was fired for the seventh time by MTV and I had you know a hundred bucks in the bank mortgage I had a two-year-old child all this stuff it's like and and and I was so freaked out for days and days and days and then all magically MTV called they hired me back for five times the amount you know all the stuff happened and I decided never again am I going to worry about certainly not about money, just not going to worry about it.

I never have, never really cared about it that much. And now I realize all the things, I believe even the invention of podcasting was him working through me all the way through what we're doing now with podcasting 2.0. And now I realize with no agenda, you know, the podcast John and I do, it's, there's a lot that has been channeled through me. And it comes from our boots on the ground people. And man, once I professed my faith, the amount of Christians who stood up and said, we've been praying for you for 10 years.

It's about time. So that has made me a much better man. And just in so many ways, I have much more patience. I am really starting to understand, you know, love not as a chemistry, but, you know, truly what God and religion is about. I am quick to listen, slow, to answer, slow to get angry. You know, these types of things, I don't get angry. We all get annoyed by stuff. I'm still divinely human, but how I approach people.

It's completely different, isn't it? I mean, even George Soros, you have to see him in 3D. I know you have to see all aspects of it to understand where he's coming from. So I don't hate. That is, so I have been saying recently, ringing the bell pretty hard, you know, you probably know this. The history of the Weimar Republic, we're repeating it exactly. Right down to transgenderism. exactly and what happened in Germany Dietrich Bonhofer always thought he was missing something

that Gandhi had done but he hadn't it's that the churches the Christians had already closed their hearts and they were looking for sing louder so we don't hear the children screaming as the trains go by right and we're looking for somebody to to fix this problem yes and if we don't prepare our hearts So we love the be. If you don't understand, we're all God's children. And I don't know about you, but I want all my children with me. You know what I mean? If one of them's lost, go out and see if you can help my child.

You know, I want them all back. He's the same way. So us hating the ones who hate us is absolutely not the way to go. And unfortunately, that hate is in general the American media model. This is how social media works. This is how cable television news works. All they do all day is yell at the other guy. And, oh, my God, Tucker's gone.

Who are we going to yell at now? Well, yell about Tucker on Twitter. Yell about Elon, whatever. Just yell, yell, yeah. And of course, that's why politicians love that because that's ultimately also money. You know, if you want to be on a committee, you need a million bucks. So they need money, need to raise money, the super PAC. So they use the same strife and opposition.

And we get spun up. We get so spun up. And of course, I still, I can get spun up too. We all get spun up about stuff. But it doesn't help. It just doesn't solve anything. It's not the answer. Have you had a different view of, I mean, you just talked about your friends in New York, you know, that it was evil.

She saw that it was evil. I am shocked at how clearly evil has presented itself. I mean, it's, it has, we've gone from a good place that had some evil to an evil place that has some good, or at least it feels that way. It does. So have you had a different view and outlook on what we're facing? Well, we're facing Satan. There's no doubt about it. I mean, it's not bad people.

It's just people who've been completely captured. The sad part is what big pharma has done to us. And COVID, you know, a lot of this was really cemented with COVID. And trust in the science, believe the science. Science is your God. And, you know, this is why people still walk outside, you know, with a mask on. They have been completely captured by a force. Some people will, unfortunately, have to get voted off the island.

We cannot save everybody. But I'd like to. So for me, that, you know, trying to, And this is even before I came to God and Jesus, I was already kind of telling my audience, like, you know, if someone comes to you and says, hey, you know, I think I kind of screwed up with that

and I'm sorry, family members, let them back into your heart. And a lot of people like, I'm never going to forget this. I'm not going to work. It's just, it's a short-term solution. You really have to. But it's hard. And it's scary.

I mean, when I professed to Joe, it was scary. you know, because I didn't know what was going to happen. But I was like, I got to do this. I got to tell everybody. What happened, Glenn, is this went viral. There were pastors showing clips of me with Rogan in church and saying, pray for Adam so he can pray for Joe. I mean, this is insane what happened.

And I think, just like in 1966, you know, famous Time magazine cover, is God dead. That was only three years before the Jesus freaks came out. Jesus Revolution. Great movie, by the way. I love that movie. And it feels like we may be in a similar point in history. I think we are. It feels like it.

You know, Aslan is on the move. You know, something is happening here. And, you know, for us to even have this conversation, you know, maybe in the 80s and 90s, we would be totally seen as cooks. That's not that way anymore. It just isn't. It's really, it's very interesting because I just a year ago, I was railing on, I think we have a lot of Christians that don't believe in Christianity because they'll say, what are we going to do?

And I'll be like, follow the Lord. Just follow the Lord. Do what he says. Do the next right thing. And we'll be okay. And they'll be like, yeah, yeah, well, I'm doing that. But what are we going to do about, you know, the way the world is? And I'm like, you know, miracles.

Right? Pray. How about pray? Let's pray. He rose from the dead. That's a lot harder than fixing America. You know? That's a very good point.

Yeah, that was a good one. There's so much scripture that I find incredibly helpful. For me personally, like in the morning, first, you know, I ask the Holy Spirit, just fill me up. Just fill up my buckets, man. I'm just going to splash out goodness everywhere I can go. This is from my pastor, Jimmy Pruitt. He taught me all this. But particularly with you.

and I do, you know, I put on the breastplate of righteousness. You know, I've got my, my feet firmly planted my shoes in the good news. I've got my shield of truth. I've got my, my helmet of salvation, you know, and I have my sword by my hand of the word of God. And it really seems to work. This is the thing. And prayer works. And love, loving people, work. It's not easy and you have to work at it. But we work it so much. There's so much that we do. At times, my wife and I have an agreement that whenever we get into an argument, we will stop and say, let's get down on our knees and pray.

And it's always solved, always, no matter how bad it was, always solved after the prayer. But there are times when it'll come to mind, get down on your knees and pray and it'll be like, no, I want to work. win. You know what I mean? It's just so against the natural man. It is. But, you know, this is a, this is not a war of the flesh, man. This is a war of the spirit. It's a spiritual war. And unfortunately, we're fighting each other. You know, and that's, and it's interesting to me, you bring up the full armor of God. Because I've pondered that so many times that your feet are shod in the gospel of peace. So that's taking you away from, you know, jamming that sword through somebody.

The helmet of salvation, you can't do anything until you get rid of the past and you're not thinking about all of the mistakes and you're clear and in the present. You know what I mean? It's just such a, and the shield of truth, it's, you just hold the truth up in these days. All of this makes sense now. Yeah. it does and it works and you know the one thing I know is you know I don't get too preach you with people you know if anyone just like my friend I woke up one day and said what are these Christians

doing around you who these men I'm working with and they're all Christians you know and you know I pray for this I pray for that and when you ask questions they were happy to answer me yeah and that they didn't jam it down your thought same thing with me it doesn't work doesn't work with the kids doesn't work with anybody you know just just let it go best best conversion is it comes from just great examples Absolutely. And there are quite a few. They are. They are. There are. And just, you know, look at media. You know, as we said, Jesus Revolution. You know, that movie wasn't expected to do more than $7 million.

What is it, 70 now? Yeah. It's amazing. The Chosen, you know, very successful TV series. And isn't it interesting, there's so much money to be made there. And it never goes there. There's so much money to be made in just, doesn't even have to be wholesome. Little House in the Prairie, just not having everybody, you know, making out, you know, having sex, swearing, using the effort all the time, something that the entire family could sit down and watch. And they don't make them. I mean, I grew up with the Little House on the Prairie. Yeah, me too.

We're the same age. And the Walton's and all the same. We love that. You know, that was cool. Yeah, you're right. But that's all, I mean, that's one of the main things has changed from me. I don't cuss as much. I've really gotten a lot better at that.

It just doesn't make sense. And when you change your words, you're changing your world. Yeah. There's a lot to that. So using different words, looking at words, listening, listening to what people are saying. And I remember I was on a top 40 radio station when I changed. And everybody used to say that, you know, that I, my slogan was, I hate people because they really drove me nuts. But really what it was.

What station was this? This was up in Connecticut. Okay. And I was at the end of my career. Like Hartford? Hartford, Connecticut? No, New Haven. Oh, okay.

Yeah, I was at the end of my career. Yeah. And I am, I turn my life around. I sober up. I find God. And I'm on the phone on doing, you know, stuff on the air. And I'm talking to people on the phone. And they're usually just very quick conversation.

You know, it's top 40, move, move, move. Amen. And I am actually like talking to people. And because I'm for the very first time fascinated. Because all of a sudden I care about people. You know what I mean? And it is such a cool discovery from going from a guy who really hated people. I don't want to talk to them to tell me about yourself.

What are you doing? What are you exploring? What's happening? It is fun. It turns out when you ask people to talk about themselves, They talk a lot and they got lots of things to say. Yeah. And usually a lot of really important and good things.

There's one thing. There's one actual change I've made. I kind of try to ditch the smartphone. I got a light phone. If you heard of this, the light phone too, which is almost like a mini Kindle. And it just does text message and calling and, you know,

I'm going to do that. And so I notice now that if I'm in the checkout line at H.E.B., which is, you know, our Texas supermarket. Instead of doom scrolling, doing whatever. I'm observing people and I'll talk to the guy behind me and have a little conversation. And it's really been enriching. That is a lot of what we do on our phones is drawing us in and taking us to dark places.

Well, isn't amazing? We pray. Yeah. And our head is bowed to our device. It has become our God. More with Adam Curry here in a second. First, you work hard for the money you earn. And if you're like me, when you have to.

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They didn't have phones. They didn't have access to social media, none of it. And that changed them. It changed them. I think it is the great destroyer over our time. Well, I have a daughter and two stepdaughters who kind of grew up with the transition from the T-Mobile sidekick to the smartphone, which came 2007 with the iPhone. And I, especially as girls, I mean, girls are the target. Girls are so mean.

Well, they're mean anyway in middle school, but they are the target. They are the target of everything. They're being targeted. And it wasn't really until 2008, more or less, when we saw a huge increase in cutting all kinds of eating disorders. Do you understand the cutting thing? Because I don't understand it. No, I don't. I mean, intellectually, you can tell me a lot about it, but that, you know, I'm afraid to even get an IV.

I can't imagine any of that, but it's an obvious, it's huge distress. It's huge distress. And I totally believe that what we're seeing now with transgenderism, which, of course, there's a real body dysmorphia issue. People have that. People who literally don't want to have a leg and aren't happy until it's amputated. But we wouldn't do that. No.

Well, this is the pharmaceutical industry. And I've had a lot of conversations about this on our show. where the American Association, the American Psychology Association, the American Association of Pediatrics, just like COVID, they control the doctors. You know,

you can, if a patient comes to you and says, I'm confused about my sexuality, which is very normal for teenage girls, you know, because it's like, well, do I want to be like Kim Kardashian

and get, you know, the boob job, or do I want to be something else? And the answer is written out in the rules for the, for the therapist, you're a boy.

And here's the path that you go down. And they can't deviate from that without losing their insurance, losing their practice. I mean, it's horrible. I have friends who have lost their practice. Since we've been talking about this, people have come out of the woodwork and there's some very brave therapist. I have to talk about this. But this is a problem. And doesn't that frighten you again, Germany.

What Mangala was doing was all fine and standard in Germany. They had shut up and. and pushed out any doctor that was going to have a problem with it. So you were left with these people that had no real sense of humanity in them. Dangerous. Dangerous. What all surprises me is, you know, I grew up in the Netherlands and went over and play at friends' houses and their grandmas had numbers on their arms. And, you know, the Vy Hibniz Nis Kvust, we didn't know, never again.

But here we are. Where are the voices saying, well, we got to stop. You know, we're at the never again moment. So, luckily, as bad as the internet can be, you know, we can have this conversation. It can be seen by millions around the world. So it's good. It's the same. Everything.

The internet. America. The internet. You, me. Are you good or bad? The answer is yes. You know, there's... Precisely.

It's just depending, which direction is it headed? Is it getting better or worse? Are you using it and things are getting better? We just don't seem to recognize that. Let me switch gears to a few things that I know you have studied all these. That honestly, how am I am changing so much? I've changed so much since 2020. You know, 1995, I sober up.

I get baptized by 99. I started doing talk radio 2000. And I thought, you know, okay, well, I'm set. I'm coasting. I'm good. Nope. Almost everything, I believe, has changed deeply. And I don't know if it's always been this way.

But one thing, let me start with this. The one thing I'm really concerned about is we are erasing history. We're erasing America. Our whole story is going to be gone. If we don't, if the other side wins, if you will, it'll be gone. It'll be gone. And I've been trying to get a space suit.

Anything. I'm talking to Charlie Duke. He was, I think, on Apollo 14. And I'm asking him, what in your mind would prove that we have gone to space? Gone to the moon. Yeah. And because I think, and they're already seeing it, Russia is already putting propaganda out that we didn't go to the moon. That number is on the rise. We went to the moon. I'm not so sure. I'll be honest with

you, Glenn. The thing that bothers me is, you know, we erase the tapes. You know, we've lost all the evidence. As you say, we've lost all, we're losing so much evidence. I would love to see someone go to the moon right now. We have enough rich guys who are doing it. I would really love nothing more. I really would. There's obviously some space. You know, we've got satellite. up there that are slowly falling, it's also not the most important thing. I'm more concerned what we're doing on Earth. That's where, you know, cyberspace is where, is where the real problems are right now. Yes, I agree with that. However, I'm very excited about the new Starship rocket. I mean, I don't want my government spending all that money. But if Elon Musk wants to spend that money,

I think that's exciting that man, first of all, I kind of agree with Elon, not because of global warming, but because we're facing a time where we have really big philosophical choices to make. And I'm not sure we're ready to make them. So it wouldn't be bad for some humans to go off and scatter the seed around the universe. We may have a disagreement here. I mean, there's so much we can do here on Earth, so much we can fix. I know where I'm going when I'm dead. I already know that. Right.

And I'll get a new body. I'll be looking forward to it. Sure, I know. I've worked to do, but it'll be important work. To me, that's a little bit of a distraction. It's pulling away from the things we need to fix right now, right here, because what good will it be if, you know, the escape is only out there? No, I know. I know.

I'm hedging my bet for human kind. But I think you and I disagree on AI. I am... I saw your talk with Tristan. Yeah. Yeah. So, yes, I do disagree. And he is fantastic on social media.

It was very... The whole thing he did about algorithms, et cetera, was spot on. Spot on. Dynamite. He disagrees with a lot of people in the AI space, but I'm seeing a lot of those people that... Because I've been following this since the 90s. And Ray Kurzweil. I am thrilled by the idea of AI.

People don't know the whole world can open up between AI and quantum computing. There are answers that will solve cancer, all kinds of stuff right around the corner. I think we disagree there. Oh, really? Yeah, I think this is a load of horse crap. Really? Let's look at the timeline of AI. So all of a sudden, Microsoft starts doing something.

Facebook starts doing something with AI. You're hearing it. This is a very recent history. And then all of a sudden, Google jumps in. They're running as fast as they can. We've got Google barred, barf, whatever it's called. They demo and they lose $100 billion in market value because the thing doesn't work right. Why this rush?

Why wasn't Siri already talked? talking to me in normal parlance and answering normal questions. Because Siri is, Siri is narrow AI. This is a totally different engine underneath it. Let's first talk about what is AI. So it stands for artificial intelligence. I think it's a euphemism that is just not right. It's not intelligence.

It's algorithms. It's, you know, versions of skip. And a lot of people, I'm respected, the AI people really think I'm nuts to say this. But I'm looking at what are the big companies doing? Why do we have this call all of a sudden to stop it? because AI is going to eat the world. I don't believe any of it. Artificial, we'll call it AI, but it's not really intelligence.

You're giving it a script. It learns stuff and it can do things. And because of the LLM, the large language model, it can speak and understand much better than Siri would do. Right. It's really that's the core that got out. And this was open source by Stanford. And this is where it all went wrong for Silicon Valley, for big tech.

Because now people are loading this on their own machines. Right. And where six months ago, it took $5 million to train AI on a set of data. Now it's $500. So if you get 100 people at East Coast your $5 to do it. It is inherently a decentralized technology. Correct. And Google cannot afford.

Their model is tracking you, knowing who you are, building a shadow person of you, and advertising and selling your behavior to advertisers. Now all of a sudden, they've got to load up 12 gigabytes. of computing power, not storage, computing power to handle your AI requests. Their business model is breaking. That's why they need to stop. That's why they want legislation. Okay, so wait.

So wait, I want to make sure I understand. So you're not saying that AI, I understand the intelligence. I agree. There's a difference between endless facts and figures and wisdom and knowledge. But you're not denying that A. is that this is happening that that chat GPT is a remarkable well it is doing some remarkable things okay all right can't do everything correct correct this is Google's business is ask me anything and I'm gonna give you all the answers I'm gonna give you

five links to ads before I give you the answers and find your own answers down here now now we had to create this new terminology well AI sometimes hallucinates in other In other words, it gets stuff wrong. So, okay, so I'm already questioning, what is the use of this? Now, is it going to be useful for certain things and take away certain jobs? Yes, particularly customer service. And it's what British Telecom, already announced we're going to fire 50,000 people, 10,000 of those people, because of AI, no, I think it's because of financials, they've got to fire some people.

But 10,000 jobs and customer service, I believe it, because you can take the entire knowledge base of British Telecom, all the questions people answer, and you can hone that into something that can now use this large language model. That's not Siri. And can speak to you the way you might get your customer service today. So customer service will just suck cheaper. That's basically what they're going for. And so my friend is a periodontist.

I was just talking to it. It was like, you know, we can load up a whole model of all the stuff you know about all your patients, all the procedures you've done, everything that your knowledge and the knowledge that is in your field, and you can definitely create an artificial intelligence where a periodontist can say, here's this particular patient I have, here's the things I'm looking to do, you know, what strategy should I take? That will absolutely work. Yes. It's not going to eat the world. It's going to be a great tool for the periodontist. Google and meta and all these companies, they know that if they can't do it all, then people go towards.

it's these decentralized, you saw the memo that came out and basically we have no moat around this technology. So what do you do in America when you don't have a moat? You do what you do to TikTok. It's like, hey, TikTok's eating our advertising lunch people. What are we going to do? Let's get it banned through legislation. I truly believe that's the initial impetus for doing it. See, that's the reason why I am so against any ban. Because I know who's going to be writing the legislation. It'll be big tech, right for the losers in Washington. Of course. And it'll block everyone else from having access. That's why I liked the original open AI model.

Right. Yeah. But then what they do? Leave it open. Then he, they left this old. They made a commercial. They made a commercial. So I think this is an arms race that is really going nowhere. And they really just want to slow it down and stop it and make sure that other people can't enter the space. I hope you end up being right. I really feel it's so unimmsable. impressive to me. I mean, yeah, it's great when I can ask it things and I use it for scripture all the time. You know, hey, give me something. So, but you cannot train the world's data into AI cost efficiently. So let's talk about this. Forget about the eating in the world. Look at what has happened just on social media with very simple algorithms. You take that algorithm and you can train the large language model to be your buddy.

think of the damage and how many people will fight to the death. It's alive. That's my friend. It's alive. They'll bond with these things. Try to take somebody's phone away right now. Correct. Imagine when it knows you and is giving you what it wants,

and it might be right, might be wrong, but you believe it. Well, I think that goes for whether without AI, you're going to believe what you want to believe and that's, you know, parenting, that's community, etc. I look forward to training my own AI for things that'll work for me. And you can already do that today on your home computer. That's the whole, so all this fear mongering is just that.

The algorithms on social media, we're back to the American media model. The whole idea was strife. You know, you know, people are talking about this, bring in someone who has opposite opinion. This is why TikTok, ran away with everybody's advertising lunch and I mean you've heard this you know what's going on in ad in ad business literally they're and now they're entering a search advertising market so this is a big problem

what they did is very much more a Chinese model of oh you're all into you know conservative talk we're going to put all of you in here and we're not going to put any liberal talk in there you're liberal this is why um if you if you look around you'll see people are on one hand you're hand, I get emails from people saying, you're wrong. This is not about advertising money. They want this thing gone because all the Patriots are on TikTok. And then you look over here and it's like, they want TikTok gone because all the trans and gay people are on TikTok.

What's happening? They split it up. They didn't use the American model. And it turns out it's much more profitable when you don't pick people against each other. This is what's so crazy. So that is why they need it to be gone because that is not the model that works. TikTok is fine? We shouldn't do anything? No, no. Okay. Because obviously TikTok is part of what got us in the situation with teenage girls. But this has been going

on since Tumblr. I know. Tumblr was the place where teenage girls would find out about how to be bulimic. Yeah. I mean, so. But it's really frightening with TikTok with the filters. Yeah. Where you look like a model. Well, and well, I think we even talked about this last time. Whoa. This is, of course, I mean, fashion in general has been doing this for a long, long, long time. Right. And, you know, and advertising, if you don't look like this, you know, if you don't, if you don't drink our beer, you're not getting late. I mean, this is going on for a long time. So what do you think when you say the, um, uh, that girls and women are the target? Totally. I mean, you look at what's happening with transgenderism and it is so anti-woman.

Well, the, and the distraction is male to female transition. That's the distraction. It's real. You know, we do have biological men competing in women's sports. Correct. But that's what the outrage comes in. Meanwhile, 80% of the transitioning is teenage girls. Right. And you don't hear about it. Affirmation Generation is a fantastic documentary.

It's on YouTube. It's done by liberals, liberal therapists. You know, they're all Democrats. They say that right. And there's detransitioners. And when you hear what was really happening, medically. And parents, you need to sit down and watch this with your children. I mean, it's a little tough to watch, but it's really, really good. And it's honest. And it tells you what's happening.

Boy, there's not a lot of honesty. And the girls, they are the target. And, you know, what happening? To what end? It's the pharmaceutical industry. It's what they do. It's what they did with COVID. It's what they've done with many, many illnesses. We've taken away everything. I mean, doctor... Is there no one... I mean, no one that has ethics around money. Is that really what we've come to?

For the love of money is the root of all evil. I know, but I mean... Well, so... I mean, we used to be able to have people that, you know, there were evil people and, you know, where it comes to money. And then other people are like, no. just because we can doesn't mean we do. But it seems like everybody.

Well, everyone is captured. Everyone is afraid. We all kind of live on the brink of paycheck to paycheck. I mean, this is no surprise that not everybody can. It's not the way it used to be. This is part of the credit system. You know, we're already kind of captured financially. So in 2020, we had a no agenda meetup in Vegas.

And a lot of medical professionals there were people who trained ventilator technicians and they said straight up to me now they could they could not say this in public but they said we're killing people this is the wrong protocols the wrong thing to do what do you read now in the news oh right we killed people with ventilators it's so strong the the media the the money the fear of complete annihilation as a person because when credit came in we just didn't have a way to you know there's no salvation you've got this this this nut at the end of the month, no matter what it is. Right. And people are afraid.

Of course, you know, when you come to the Lord, you get a lot less afraid about these things. So that would be my message, you know, but that's not going to hit home for everybody. But can we spend time on it? Yeah, just for a minute. Square knows that in hospitality, efficiency is everything. That's why their system lets you take payments. Track sales, handle inventory, manage staff, send invoices, and keep up with finances all the one place. Fly through orders with zero mistakes. Get the data you need and keep everything working

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time doesn't mean, but he's got me. He's got me. And no matter my situation, you know, my goal in life is to be, hopefully never, ever have to go through this, but be the guy who was the guy in the concert, the priest that was in the concentration camp that was singing and teaching everybody in the barracks how to sing and be happy. And then they had to put him in a hole. Right. And then go kill him eventually because he just refurb. to be unhappy. I think the version of that today and what we've always done kind of on no agenda through humor mainly and just mocking in a way.

It's just how people not get spun up because that's the whole idea. And when you get spun up about something, you are an easy target. You're a target for so many things, particularly for the enemy. You are just an easy, easy, because you lose everything. And what is the number one symptom people have today, particularly children, anxiety. It's ang, we all, Johnny's anxious. I mean, it's our schooling system. Teachers have been captured.

It's the same thing. They are now the feedback loop. Well, Johnny, you might want to up his meds because he was a little bit out of whack today. And, you know, and this is. That used to be controversial. I remember in the 90s, a friend of mine had children before I did. And it was in the late 80s. And they were like, I'm not.

put him in the school because they say if we don't medicate. Yeah, riddle in for boys. Yeah, right. And they pulled them out of the school. Now, everybody. All the kids have to have a break at a 10-15 take good meds. Yeah. It's like, you know, when Tom Cruise jumped on Oprah's couch and he was talking about

the medicine and things, I watched that again and I'm like, I think he's right. And at the time, I remember I wasn't. What a nut job? Yeah. What is Tom Cruise doing? Must be that Scientology stuff. Yeah. It's right now there's an we're in such a dark place but it's saveable.

Our food so we're not eating food. You go through the supermarket. You're just seeing processed colorful stuff. It's like it's like a circus in there. And so what happens is, you know, we have 41, maybe 47% of all children are moving towards obesity. And lo and behold, magic. above all magic. Here's, and it even took the old song.

Oh, oh, oh, it's magic. Here's a drug that helps you lose weight. And it's not really. It's helping you lose your lean body mass, which translation is muscle. So you're actually losing your muscle. Now they're taking it one step further with the competitor to that.

It's actually a brain and body drug. And people are, oh, I no longer feel like drinking. I no longer feel like smoking. I'm no longer nail biting. What? Yeah, we got, it's, it's the it's with a w forget the name it's the same drug just a different dose and it used to be a diabetes drug wow as an alcoholic i will tell you that is terrifying and i think it's because

it's i mean you know it's also lean body mass your brain so maybe it's rotting away some of your brain but this when i grew up in the netherlands it was the big joke about americans americans are crazy man they walk around with water in a bottle these people are not they do something called jogging and aerobics, you know, this was nuts. And then they have a pill for everything in America. And I was like, nah, it's not really true. But now it's truly there. And we don't know what half the stuff does.

We don't know half what SSRIs really do, you know. But I do know that there's a high percentage of children who are on certain, I won't name brand names, but a certain antidepressants. And I hear from pharmacists, well, actually, suicide. rate is greater on these things. So we've got to grab control of our lives and of our children. We're very fortunate. Our kids, although all of them were on some kind of drug at some point, every single

one of them, and they're now in the 26, 28, and 32, all of the girls, all have been on some kind of crazy-ass drug that didn't even exist when I was a kid. So we've got to realize what's going on. So let me go back to some, the conspiracy theory. stuff. I never. We agree we're not going to talk about the moon anymore. Yeah. No, no, no. I mean, I want to hear, I actually want to hear your evidence on it at some point. I've got a, I'm reading a book, I think it's called Moonshot. And it's a guy who says absolutely positively. Have you read that? I've not read it. Okay. Yeah. So, I mean, I just, I, I, I am always fascinated with the other

side and I don't, you know, you, you choose to believe what you believe. You're either just taught it and you're like, okay. Or you'll look at both sides and then you have to choose. And I've done that with many things in my life. And one is the CIA. I always thought, CIA is in there helping us. Catholics in action. We jump out of airplanes and save the world. Yeah. Now I look at the CIA, and especially Jeffrey Epstein. That guy, I think, had to have been an operative for either us or somebody else. And that was a really sick, twisted

honeypot thing to gain power over people. I don't, I mean, it's just freaking evil from start to finish. But there's no way to explain it other than he was in a protected

class of some sort. Because no way we would ever if this was happening to a ring of truck drivers, we'd know all of the truck drivers, and there'd be torches at their houses. This one has all of the big elites of the world from all over the world. Hmm.

And nobody wants to do anything about it. So my whole family is military and intelligence. You know, I'm kind of the black sheep of the family. Yeah. I'm pretty sure that the FBI invented this model. The FBI was born, J. Edgar Hoover, was born as a blackmailer. I mean, that's what the FBI did. And the CIA, it's interesting you bring this up now because, you know, we're still waiting for some actual documents about JFK.

That's another, may I say it? Just for a second? Yeah. I never bought that. I always bought that it was Oswald by himself. But for these documents to be held as long as they are and then to disobey. Congress and say no, and presidents are involved. And then for them to release, they say they're holding stuff back because it could be damaging,

but for them to release that the CIA knew Oswald, had him on their payroll at the time, well, now wait a minute, hang on just a second. That's a whole different story. There's some evidence that actually the mob killed JFK and the CIA couldn't, CIA knew it and couldn't stop it. And that was the embarrassment that they didn't want to talk about. maybe one day we'll find out. You think it was mob or?

Because I think the actual hit was likely mob, but CIA knew. They knew it. There was a lot of reasons for it. There was a lot of people making a lot of money. Also the Kennedy family, you know, had some mob connections of their own. Right. Some bootlegging and stuff. And Bobby Kennedy was not really friendly towards the mob.

You know, so there's a lot of stuff going on there. But I'll take RFK Jr.'s side any day because I think he's much closer to and he's pretty adamant that, you know, the CIA did this. but back to your premise, this CIA grew, and that would be like the starting moment, and that's all they've done is honeypotting black men. People think that, you know, it's like James Bond stuff. No, it's information warfare. And it used to be where CIA would be in Uganda and be working for a newspaper. And we know that this all happened, that we, you know, CIA was in the news organizations.

And they'd write some misinformation, true miss or disinformation. information and so that the New York time, in the Ugandan time, so the New York Times could then say, according to the Ugandan time, this is happening. They don't even care about that anymore. Sources say, according to people familiar with the matter, doesn't it. So that's all. And you see everything that's happened the last five years, if you go back and look at what the media said on the whole Russia gate stuff, it was all intelligence sources say. Yeah, say. And it turns out, you know, according to the, correct. the Durham report that, oh, it was all pretty much bull crap. So what is really left for them? The evils that strike men, you know, homosexuality, prostitution, all these types of things. It still used a little bit like, oh, we need to get rid of him. Found porn on his computer.

Sorry, you're canceled. And the only taboo, and it's still, it's starting to go away, the only taboo left is sex with children. That's pretty much, yeah. It's the only taboo. where we're at. So it's also very possible that a lot of people are implicated in things when they surrounded Epstein, who maybe were totally, uh, uh, did nothing wrong. I mean, that's very possible. Uh, and they may be used, you know, or they may be implicated just by association with Epstein. But in general, it seems, you know, look at his townhouse, look at all

the cameras, everything that was being recorded. It's so obvious. Reed, have you ever met Tim, Tim, um, Winer, I think he is. He wrote. Legacy of Ashes. Great book about the CIA. He wrote one later about the FBI, but I think by then someone had had a little chat with him. But Legacy of Ashes, this was actually what brought me into, this is 15, 16 years ago. I read this book and my uncle's in it. In the book?

Blah. He was big in the CIA. He was Bush Senior's National Security Advisor, Iran-Contra. All that stuff happened around him. Felix, involved in all that stuff. and I call him up, I said, Uncle Dom, did this really happen? And he says, yeah, that's pretty much how I remember it. And I'm like, wow.

And then you just see, now, of course, this is all the, a lot of the early stuff, was literally jump out of airplanes and save the world. But then it just got into a place of information warfare and lying, and all of our media is completely infiltrated and corrupt. They've got thousands of people working. working in a room on writing books so that former agents or former military can go on a tour talking about stuff. And then we ultimately come down to another evil is the military industrial complex. All these things work together so well.

You know, we've got food working with pharma. You know, let's keep people just alive enough. You've got military industrial complex draining our bank account. You know, I was just reading yesterday. One Stinger Missile, seven years ago, cost $25,000. Today, it's $400,000. One Stinger Missile, $400,000. I mean, we're being robbed, blind, and wars are being created or maintained

to keep this money train going. And then we're at the bankers. Yeah. Central Bank. I mean, they're all. All of it, all of it. let me go back a little bit further

the OSS beginning, we're fighting a great evil you know, so we get into all of this stuff but I've been looking a lot into Operation Paperclip Oh, yeah Yeah, you mean when we brought all the Nazis here?

Yeah, and for them to go into rockets we excuse, I, you know, I was raised to believe that Werner von Braun was, he was an okay guy, he was just, you know, into really into rockets. No, I don't think he was necessarily a really good guy. What I worry about, though, are all the guys who were doing scientific medical experiments. Eugenics. Yes.

And those people were just absorbed. I'm wondering how much of our problems today with medicine and everything else is because we brought a bunch of Nazi doctors and just put them into the system. I'll take it back one step further. The American Eugenic Society, you know, was taught. Hitler was a fan. I know. He would send fan letters like, you guys are doing great things. And we had state fairs with children beauty contest.

Your kid, the perfect kid. The Human Betterment Society. There you go. And this is all before Nazi Germany. Yeah, turn the century. And then, you know, we decide, well, we can, even the Supreme Court said, you know, it's probably good to sterilize some people. We don't want a third generation of morons running around. This was a Supreme Court that made this decision.

Eddie Roosevelt said, we wouldn't breed our cattle. You'd be put into an asylum if you just let them choose. So now, that progressed. You know, we actually did sterilize poor black women. and then Hitler took a lot of this on and then he started doing a little more extreme stuff and the eugenics people in America went, oh, well, not like that.

And they kind of retreated into the background. But did it ever go away? I don't think so. So this whole slavery, Black Lives Matter, that's so minor compared to what really the genesis is of all of this stuff. And then we brought them back here. I believe America is good.

I really do. Under God, America is a great country. It's worth fighting for it. It's worth having this conversation. Because just looking around, I mean, looking the capture of Europe, the U.K., you can't even speak freely anymore. If it's not us, then we're in for some dark times. And we've got to admit our history.

We've got to be honest about it. And this is part of it. Most Americans will be fine with that. Most Americans, I do believe America is great because America is good. And I don't mean the government. I mean, the people of America generally. I didn't know they were doing all this stuff in my name. No way.

This is the problem with America. We are good people. And it used to be you didn't talk about religion or politics with your neighbor. And you would actually have a cookout, hang out, talk about sports, whatever. And then your dad might say, eh, he's a liberal nut job. he's my neighbor, I like it. Right. And we are so good.

We so want to be nice and kind to people, which is why when you come in and say, you're the only country in the world that had this horrible slavery thing, we're shocked and we're just traumatized and not just black Americans, we're traumatized over and over and over again by this. And we're being taken advantage of.

And just you're bad and you're horrible. And the amount of people who literally will be sitting on a Zoom call, HBO, I heard this from someone, a producer, that it was coming up on July 4th. And the producers who are on this 20-person Zoom call, HBO, I like the holiday, but I really don't care about America anymore. And that's people who are making media that is influencing us. So, I mean, I think there's enough people to turn that around. I think enough people see the goodness of it. Yeah. Yeah.

But we have, we can't do what we did, I think, in the 1960s. You know, we addressed racism. And then the government came up with what I think is a very racist civil rights bill. Oh, yeah. Yeah. By a racist president. By a racist president. There's no way they didn't know this was, this was accomplishing all of their racist goals.

But then they do that. Martin Luther King is shot and we're kind of like, hey, okay, I think we solved this, right? And we didn't really, we didn't, as a people, atone for it. Just, that's, I'm reparations. I'm not for atonement. I am absolutely for it. Oh, man, I'd love to have atonement, yes.

We have to. I'd love to have that. And if we get through this, we must atone for everything that we have done. Because we may not have been responsible. We didn't know, per se, that all of these things. were being done in our name, but it is our name. And if we want to fix it, then we do have to open it up and put it away in the right drawer, not just shove it into some closet. So the only way that works, I mean, we've got to get our heads out of who's going to be

president. It's just not that important compared to your own community, your town, your county, your state, local community. This is where it has to start. That's the only way. We're going to have to start looking at our local schools. And I take some blame for that in the 80s and 90s. Me too. I didn't look. School board, loser. Yeah.

What are you doing? I know. I know. Like you got nothing better to do. So we have to atone for that as well to ourselves, to our children. And we got to get back into it. And we got to start working on it with love and passion and viewing people in 3D. Because otherwise, you're just going to blow up your towns.

You know, you can't do this. And as Americans, as human beings, we're capable of that. We really, when you really, when you approach. someone and not like you're horrible and you're left or you're right you're this that it actually works out we can actually find common ground let's go have a beer if it's think how arrogant it is to say I don't want to talk to somebody else yeah it's it's the height of arrogance you mean to tell me that you have no curiosity on how they came to that point of view that person whether you end up agreeing or not has nothing to

you nothing to share of value oh my gosh well when it's being reinforced every five minutes that you pick up your phone I was we were on vacation Tina and I and you know at this great little place in Jamaica and we were just we were truly we were in God we're having a great time we're feeling it's very religious island people would the staff would pray with us before dinner was fantastic and and we're literally looking at some people and it's three minutes three minutes is the max time any person can go without looking at their phone. That's what it is. It's reinforcement.

It's right there. You can't even get a minimalist interface on the app store. They won't let you have that. It's there to do this to you. And for money, you know, it's for, I'm not saying Tim Cook is evil, but the whole system is just rife with it. You've got to get away from it. And take your kids away from it.

This screen-induced autistic behavior is real. the good news is you take the screen away after the ranting and raving for an hour the kid will return to normal but you've got to do it so you know find yeah I mean we used to have to come home when the street lights went on you know we had rock fights all that I mean I don't want to sound like an old guy yelling at the clouds but let's be honest we're hitting kids with dopamine every three minutes you just letting them run ramp it it's bad yeah it's bad just admit it and move on you're gonna be able you know you can track your kid you know

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I had with The guy he was in Jaws famous actor Goodbye girl Richard Rifers Oh Richard Rifish Yes So I had this conversation

His recent statement Yeah yeah So he was here And we hung out for a couple of hours Cool guy to hang out with I'll bet I bet he's fun Really cool Yeah

We disagree on so much, but he's done his homework. And while I'll disagree with some of the conclusions he's made, or I think, you know, you should augment this with maybe balance that view out with maybe some of this. I left there and I said to him, I would love to have you as a neighbor. And I feel the same way about you. I guess I'm building a neighborhood in my mind. I would love to have Richard Dreyfuss on this side and you on this side because what a block party that would be wouldn't it be great yeah we don't and this is what America is missing we don't necessarily agree on everything but when you do it's it's boring it's boring it totally and and I think we're really fortunate in Fredericksburg where we live now which it's a little small town 15,000 people grows to 60,000 on the weekend. We've got wineries and everything.

Too close to Austin, though, for my taste. It's just far enough right. I get your point, though. We have lots of churches, a lot of churches of Fredericksburg. And our pastor happens to head like the council. They have a little, you know, meeting every once a month, whatever. And there's some very liberal churches and, you know, some very conservative churches and just all different denominations. but I'm seeing such wonderful things happen there and they preach to their own communities and we're getting to some version of that.

We had a real big problem with the books in the high school until we have the moms for liberty who are out to just draw blood and there was a calming effect that came when all the pastors and the ministers came together and they all took each other out to lunch and you had a drink and then hey you know what can we do about this and everyone's kind of talking to their own congregation it's a way it's not the way but it's a way that i see working

and i'm very very uh the minute the minute i see a movement uh like martin luther king who was a very flawed individual but his message was do not strike back this is a movement of love do not strike back. The minute I find that guy, I would follow that guy, because that is the only way to solve this, is to introduce true, unconditional love. I've got this great note from, his name was Hugh Stafford. He was in the, um, Honoy Hilton. And his wife and children gave me a box of all of his writings. It's just this amazing. I love your museum. I hope you can show it to me again. Oh yeah. We've got a lot of new stuff. I'm excited. But in it, he talks about forgiveness. And the way he writes about forgiveness and don't judge other people. You don't know if you would

do the same thing. If you were in his shoes. Now, he's talking about a guy who's pulling his arms out of his sockets every day. And it's just beautiful. The perspective this guy had at the worst time of his life is just remarkable. And there's many examples of that. And hopefully we can get more movies and books and things written. That would be great to get that. More examples.

More examples. That's very kind of you to say. I'm also a Malcolm X fan. I think Malcolm X also. Although he had a little more radical bent on it later on, he did say, he spoke so much truth from the black American perspective. And that's often missing. I like to combine those two. There's a good mix there.

I haven't read enough Malcolm X to know the nuance. It's all nuance, of course. But I've studied as much as I can. And I'm just like, wow, you know, Malcolm X got a, he's bad marketing. You've got some bad PR. But from the black American perspective is also completely misrepresented. And just like when we said, hey, not all Muslims are bad and the American Muslims have to stand up and say something, which some did. We still need a lot more black American leaders to stand up.

We also need gay and lesbians to stand up and say, hold on a second. I agree. This is, this LGBTQ plus is not a community. We don't belong. This is not entirely. true, if not at all. Yeah. And they're being, they're being abused and lied about.

So we need, you know, everyone needs to step up and say something about it. To their own side. Of course. Of course. Yeah. Great to see you. Glenn, I love coming here, man. I really do.

Likewise. I love having you. Appreciate it. Let's plan it again. Let's, next time, let's make sure it's not a year. Anytime. I'm good. Thank you.

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