The Glenn Beck Program - Ep 190 | 'We Faked It?!' Apollo Legend DEBUNKS Moon Landing Theories | Charlie Duke | The Glenn Beck Podcast

Episode Date: August 19, 2023

Thanks to the lack of transparency in D.C., it seems the popularity of moon-landing conspiracy theories has skyrocketed in recent years. “I’m perplexed because the evidence is overwhelming,” Apollo astronaut Charlie Duke tells Glenn. As one of the few humans to walk on the moon, Charlie is well-equipped to set the record straight. He walked on the moon when he was just 36, making him the youngest person to leave footprints on the lunar surface. He tells Glenn the harrowing story of his near-disastrous win in the “Moon Olympics,” when he nearly punctured his space suit: “Never do anything on the Moon that you didn’t practice on Earth.” Charlie also walks Glenn through his incredible life story on Earth, including his journey to Christ, which he holds as even more important than his voyage to the moon. He also gives his thoughts on the future of space travel, going to Mars, and whether aliens exist.             SPONSORS: "The Glenn Beck Podcast" has partnered with Pre-born with a goal of saving 70,000 babies in 2023. Every tax-deductible donation, big or small, helps to save the unborn. Get involved today by dialing #250 and saying the keyword “BABY” or donate securely at https://preborn.com/GLENN    If you're one of the millions of Americans who suffer every day from pain, there is hope, and it comes in the form of Relief Factor. If you want a drug-free and natural way to get your life back, go to https://relieffactor.com or call 1-800-4-RELIEF to get the $19.95 three-week quick start.   The Jase Case from Jase Medical is a great way to keep yourself prepared for the worst. It's a pack of five different courses of antibiotics that you can use to treat a long list of bacterial infections. Go to https://JaseMedical.com and use offer code “BECK” at checkout to get a special discount.   My Patriot Supply is the nation’s largest preparedness company, with millions of customers, and right now – when you go to MyPatriotSupply.com – you can get a 25% discount on each three-month emergency food kit that you purchase. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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The Apollo Space Program folded 51 years ago. Nobody has walked on the moon since. Weirdly, a growing number of people don't even believe moon landings actually happened. This belief is growing more and more with each generation. The list of reasons range from the bizarre to the confusing, and many of the moon hoax landing debunkers have been caught doing some fabricating of their own. So on this episode of the Glenn Beck podcast, I'm going to go straight to the source. One of the only remaining men who actually walked on the moon.

He served in five of the seven Apollo missions dedicated to landing on the moon. The BBC has called him one of the most historically important voices in America. I want to keep this episode in our vault. odds are that you might know what his voice sounds like because you've heard it before. He was Capcom during Apollo 11. He'll explain. He's the one who talked to Buzz Aldrin and Armstrong when they landed on the moon. It was to him that they were talking to when they said Houston. The eagle has landed.

He played a huge role in getting the astronauts of Apollo 13 back safely. Only 12 humans have walked on the moon. Today's guest was the 10th. He walked on the moon when he was 36, making him the youngest person to leave footprints on the lunar surface. He's one of the four living men who have done that. He made it, I think he made it absolutely fun. He played a big part in the image of an astronaut being cool, intimidatingly smart, yet sparse with his words, his brilliance,

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Enter the promo code back at checkout. Jace, J-A-S-E-Medical.com. Charlie, thank you for being here. The pleasure to be with you again, Glenn. Thank you. So I have been struggling with something. for a while, I think that there could come a time that people are convinced that Americans never went to the moon.

Everything, our history is being so discredited, our country is being discredited now. And there is a growing number of people that say, we never went to the moon. And I fear that in 20, 30, 40 years, China or Russia will be the ones that were known to go the moon. And so I collect an awful lot of stuff as you know. Some of your stuff is in our collection. And I wanted you to come on and

a talk about your experience on the moon because it's amazing. But then I also want to I want to hit you with some of the conspiracy theories. And I'm not looking to I'm looking for a scientist's answer to

some of the things that are said because I think some of them are ridiculous. Listen, some of them I don't even understand. I don't know. So we'll go through those. Okay. First of all, Sputnik sitting behind you, that's one of the prototypes of Sputnik back there. Mm-hmm.

And 1957, that went into space. How old were you? I was at flight school. I just started flight training at Moultry, Georgia, Spence Air Base. And it lifted off, I think, on the fourth of... of October, which is day after my birthday, and I turned 57. That would have been I was 22. So 22 years old, the world changed.

This is the beginning of the space race. You being a test pilot, what did that mean to you when Sputnik was? Well, I wasn't a test pilot at the time. I was just beginning flight training. Okay. And I was at Spence for six months, did well, sent me off to, Webb Air Force Base in Big Spring, Texas for not advanced training, but got my wings there.

Then back to Moody. And by February, September of 58, I had my wings. And by the April of 59, I was ready to go to my first assignment, which was a fighter interceptor squadron in Ramstein, Germany. So I was in Ramstein from 1959 until 1959 until 19. And during that time, 61, Uri Gagarin launched. The Americans, of course, Alan Shepard followed a couple weeks later. And a few weeks later, Kennedy announced the Apollo program,

which we all laughed at him. You know, he had 50 minutes in space, and he's going to commit us to the moon in eight and a half years. But remarkable think about it, I look back now, was that eight, that eight and a half years later, or eight years and two months later, I'm sitting in mission control talking to Neil Armstrong when he lands on the moon.

Because you were, what was it called, Capcom? Capcom. Yeah. Capsule communicator, that stands for. Right. And so Neil Armstrong asked you to be Capcom, and everything went through you, right? Well, I didn't make the decisions.

No, no. The flight director, but. Conversations all went through me, yeah. So you had to do it right. You had to put it in technical language that the crew understood. And I had done the same job on Apollo 10. And it was the same group of flight controllers and director, Gene Krantz. And so we just moved over.

They did. And I wasn't supposed to be there because they had another crew. But Neil said, I'd like Charlie. to do that for us since he'd had that experience. So when they said Houston, it would be your voice that would answer? That's correct. Yeah, during the descent. You know, mission control shift work, so there are different shifts.

So when they landed and we secured the spacecraft, our shift went off and another shift came on. So Bruce McAnliss was the flight, was a Capcom when he actually stepped onto the moon. Wow. And there was, I mean, landing it, there was a lot of worry. Didn't something happened? Yeah, a lot happened. What happened? We were doing a good job until we started the engine on the descent and the wheels started coming off, if you were, that expression. We had communication problems start with. And the mission rule was if you lose, if you lost communication. for 30 seconds you were going to abort the mission.

So we reoriented and got some new antennas pointed at the earth and it came back. Then the computer started overloading. We were getting these 1201, 1202 alarms. Which is what? Well, it was a mean, the Apollo computer had a compute cycle at, let's say, 0.75 milliseconds. And it queued up the jobs. So the guide to spacecraft, direct to spacecraft. direct to spacecraft, control the spacecraft.

And then below that was these auxiliary jobs. Well, if it got to the end of the, if it's compute cycle and he hadn't finished that queue, it would give you a warning. I'm overloaded. I'm flipping back to the top. And so that was what it was. So it wasn't the control of the spacecraft,

was just as we had it doing too much. And one of the reasons was the radar landing, radar landing switch was I mean the radar rendezvous rendezvous radar was switch was on and it shouldn't have been on because now the computer is trying to find what it's supposed to be looking at and anyway we went through that we were trained and Steve Bales and Jack Garman knew what to do we were go and we kept having that situation then at 7,000 feet they pritched over and looked down and Neil says, we can't land here, so he had to level off and fly across the surface of the moon for several miles until they found a suitable landing spot. Well, that used up all our spare gas.

And so now we start down and now we're minimum fuel. And we got to the call. Wait, wait, wait. Beyond minimum fuel or minimal fuel for takeoff to return back up? Well, the assent engine fuel is not used. on descent it's just there and the engine's not used when I say minimum fuel we had a minimum amount that we wanted to have when if we aborted we'd still use the decent engine to start us on a positive trajectory away from the moon then we

would abort stage and light the assent engine and and so that was what the and the minimum was like if I remember four percent and when we got to that At 4%, we called 60 seconds. And 60 seconds, many had another, at the present fuel, present engine power, he had 60 seconds before we would call an abort. So we got to 30 seconds. And I said, the eagle, 30 seconds. And you can imagine the tension in the room. Oh, my gosh.

And so about 13 seconds later, Neil, a report. not Neil, but bus says contact engine stop, and they're on the moon. And we just erupted with the excitement. And so we didn't have to get that abort call. I'm convinced that Neil had the final say, and if we were 20 feet off the ground and we called an abort,

he wouldn't have done it. Say again, Houston. Yeah. And he was, He was going to land at that point. Yeah. Because they had kind of an unspoken agreement, didn't they? Yeah. Well, he was in charge, and he could see the, we just knew he was 20 feet above the moon.

And we didn't understand. You couldn't see, everybody couldn't see the situation that he sees and Buzz sees out the windows and the systems. And they're 20 feet off the ground and they still got. 5% fuel left or 4% whatever it is, you're not going to abort because of that. And he's going to land at that point. There come a time where they worried if they could get back up to the, that's the capsule, right? Yeah.

Get back up to the capsule and go back home? No, that was any. The as I said earlier, the ascent engine provided that propulsion. And the fuel, it's not used at all. during the descent stage during the descent so you have full tanks you have all electrical power everything ready to go so if you had to abort from the once he landed and shut down that engine if if there was a leak in a NASA engine tank for instance that we would have aborted it's aborted immediately and got them back

into orbit and so you were still Capcom when he said Houston the Eagle has landed. That's correct, yeah. And then you had a switch, you had a shift change? No, we had a, it was later, about an hour later. We, uh, uh, after they landed, uh, we, it was our job to make sure the set of the spacecraft was secure, safe, we could stay. So we had a series of stay, no say decisions. No stay, no stay. And so one was like three or four minutes later and we were stay. Then we got safer and safer and more secure with the status of the vehicle. Finally, after, I don't know, 30 minutes maybe or a little bit more, we were saying, okay, we're stay for your stay. And then we changed shifts. So did you even know what the surface of the

moon really was like at the time? We'd had survey or land and several surveyors and they they analyzed it and they could see it was basically very very fine dust and we knew can you describe that because I hear the dust from the moon is unlike anything we've seen here it's yeah it's like talcum powder and it's uh it's very very adhesive you can't if you fall down you get dusty and you can't get it off your suits and uh it's So our suits after three days turned from white to gray. And mostly light gray, I should say. So the dust was very, very fine.

And when you got it back in, when you got back inside the spacecraft. Vacuum it, right? Didn't you have to vacuum it off? We didn't have a vacuum for that. We had a brush, but it didn't do any good. I was going to say that. And so we got back inside and we cleaned up as best we could. And especially the seals where the holes is.

And then, but we just decided that it wasn't going to, it wasn't going to hurt. And so we, and then we had some loose dust and we tracked in. And I picked it up and it was very, it was not greedy at all. It was very, very fine. And it was very dry. And what I think happens was it was so dry, It picked up the oils on your skin, and that gave, it gave a graphite feel to it.

And they smelled it. It smelled like gunpowder, but there's no organic material on the moon, so it's very strange. At least that was my feeling. It was that smell. So Neil and Buzz were on the moon for two hours? No, they were. surface? Less than 24. They are on the surface. Yeah, walking around. Yeah, and I'm not sure two to four hours, something like that, yeah. And when you went up, you were on the moon on the surface for 20.

We were on the surface for 20 total of 72 hours on the moon. But we divided that into three 24-hour periods. And so we had an excursion that longest was like eight hours. And every day, and then we got back in on the last time and got ready to lift off, kicked our backpacks out the door and trash and didn't want to lift off with that stuff. And so we got ready to lift off and right on schedule we were off. What is that like? Lift off or what is? No, walking on the moon. Well, it was a great adventure, of course, and you felt right at home. You recognized the major landing, the major features at your landing site that you'd studied from photographs and simulations. And so we had this feeling of belonging, but it was the excitement and the awe and the wonder.

I'm on the moon. You could never get over that point. Nobody's ever been here before. What is it like to be on the moon? The first time you turned around and saw Earth rise. Well, we didn't see Earth rise. A day on the moon is two weeks. Oh, my. So did you see? the earth from the moon? We were in the middle of the moon, which put the earth right overhead. So in an Apollo suit, you look up and you look at the top of your helmet. So we very rarely saw it. We had a telescope, not a telescope, but a periscope on our antenna, and you could look through that and point it at the earth and get it centered up. And there you could see it. but it was, occasionally I'd been back like this

and hold onto the car and look up and there it was. It was beautiful. Half Earth, we were a half moon and blue and white. It's just, there it is. The rest of the sky was just black. You can't- Why don't you see stars? Because the sun, the sun, basically same as daylight here.

You don't see stars that they're there, but because of the sunlight, you don't see the stars. But at night, you see the stars come out because there's no reflection from the sun. Well, same on the moon. So the sun's always shining on you when you're there. And so you look out at the horizon and there's this very distinct horizon. And you just look up and it's just black except for the earth, which is, in our case, you couldn't see it really goodly. So it was, we didn't want to come home.

We were having so much fun. Oh, I bet. I hear you try to do a set of record for a long jump, and that didn't go so well. Well, it was a high jump, actually. High jump, high jump. Yeah, that didn't go very well. What happened?

Oh, well, I went down here with all my equipment on. I weighed 363 pounds, up on the moon, 60 pounds. Wow. And so the backpack, the life support system, weighed as much as I did. So I got a 150-pound pack on my back, and you got on the moon, you have to walk bending over to keep your center of gravity right. So when I jumped, I straightened up and go up. And when I did, that took my center of gravity backwards, and I went over backwards. And that was scary.

That was probably the only time I had fear in the whole time. And, but fear's not a bad emotion if you don't panic. And so I had this thought, roll right. So I rolled to the right. And as I was going down and broke my fall on my right hand and my right leg and bounced onto my back and my heart was pounding, Glenn, I'll tell you. But I'm, I checked the pressure. It was well.

You could hear the pumps running and the suit was good. So John Young walked over and ran over and looked down. Said, that wasn't very smart, Charlie. I said, you all right, John, help me up. Well, I was the first to try it. Somebody had to try it. So we, and he'd been jumping too. So he probably set the record.

Let's say we set the record. And when I got up and I was behind the rover and I got up and looked at and the TV camera on the car was pointed right at me and mission control was very, very upset without moonwalk,

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Because it wasn't just you, your property, really, your hope and despair. If you do something stupid. Yeah. You kill yourself, really. I learned a very valuable lesson, never do anything on space that you haven't practiced on Earth. Yeah. How when you practice, you practice underwater, et cetera, et cetera. How like space station and and we had one or two little exercises we did underwater, but on the moon you got gravity.

So we did a lot of zero, we did a lot of one six gravity training in the airplane where we do parabolas. We, they had a car. So we practiced getting in and out of the car and we practice doing this and that the other and then drilling our doing the experiments in one sixth gravity so we didn't do much underwater stuff were you a god-faring man

when you went up I was a Christian I claimed to be a Christian but it was a mental assent and not a heart assent and so I don't know where I would have stood at that point I know I wasn't walking as a Christian, I was going to church.

We're fateful churchgoers and since we got married. But it was later on after the moon flight, I was 36 when I landed on the moon. When Paula was over, I was 37 and the thought occurred to me. I'm 37 years old. What am I going to do now with the rest of my life? And I had no peace, and my marriage was. falling apart.

And so things were pretty bad until 1975 when my wife became a believer after a faith alive weekend at our church. And so she changed. I watched her change, sadness to joy in two months. And it was real. Two years later, I made that same decision. And that began a healing in our family and a healing in our marriage. and saved our marriage, Jesus did.

And so we've been walking with the Lord. And I know now so hard to. So in 78, when I made that decision, and Jesus came from my mind to my heart, I experienced peace. And it was just incredible. And I knew that I knew that I knew that I made the right decision.

So we've been walking with the Lord ever since. And we have a Christian ministry called Duke Ministry for Christ that helps with the finances, but it doesn't, it's not a big organization. Right, right.

So we told the Lord, he said, if you keep giving us invitations, we'll keep going. But we don't go advertise for invitations. So, Charlie, my dad was, it might have been his 70th birthday.

And he told me when I was young that he was born in 1926, I think, 23 or 26. And he said, well, we never, we never even considered going to the moon. That just wasn't even real. He said, you know, that might have been later movie stuff, but nobody ever really thought about going to the moon. and one of his biggest days was just watching the moon landings. And he never got over that. And on his birthday, it happened to coincide with a meeting that I was having with Buzz Aldrin. And so my dad and I went out to lunch with Buzz.

and afterwards he said I said I was that dad he said that was one of the saddest things I've ever experienced and I don't know Buzz and I have so much respect for him but he said it's as if he never

could find something bigger than the moon and I don't know how you would do that. I mean, you go as a young man, you do something that, what, 12 people have done? 12 people have gone on the moon.

How did you get past? I'm on the moon. I was on the moon. Well, it was like I said, it was no peace. I just kept working at NASA for the next. So is that what you were feeling with the no peace? was well you know what am i going to do now you know how do you top of a walk on a moon you don't yeah it's like every party somebody says you know hey just got back from france i you win every time

i walked on the moon yeah yeah uh so it was uh you know and working on space station not space station but space shuttle wasn't the same it was NASA was and Apollo was so dynamic The decisions were made instantly. If we had to change this spacecraft, this system, you could convince the spacecraft manager or the Apollo manager that this was necessary. Bang, he did it, and it was done. That's how we got to the moon in 10 years or 8.

But the space shuttle was, well, we'll have another meeting next week or next month. and we arguing on the coefficient of drag, and we argued over this and that and the other. It just was boring to me, so the dynamics of Apollo just faded away in those days in shuttle. So when I left in 75, early 76, that was the state of shuttle. It was five more years before they got the shuttle flying.

And I look back now and say, well, I wish I to stick it out for another five years. years and flown the early shuttles, but that was passed. And so, and so even, even working on shuttle wasn't giving me that piece that I needed. And so basically I took my eyes off the moon and put them on money, say, well, maybe money's the answer. Because we weren't, you know, astronauts don't make a lot of money while you make, if you're a colonel in the Air Force, you make what every other colonel in the Air Force makes or whatever. So anyway, I tried business and that was very successful, but I didn't have any peace until 78 when I Jesus came. And now I see I can do whatever I do and hopefully bring glory to the Lord and whatever I do.

you know, back to your dad, my dad was born in 1907, three years, four years after the Wright brothers. And he watched his son walk on the moon. Wow. What an amazing time from 40 feet with the Wright brothers to landing on the moon in 70, what would have been, less than 60 years. My father said that.

He said, son, look what's happened in my lifetime. He said, we went from no running water, no electricity, seeing the first car, the first motion picture all the way to where we are. This was about 2005, all the way to where we are today. He said, never before has this ever happened like this. And he said, but we haven't. grown as people we haven't grown philosophically we're still asking the same questions generation after generation and still coming up with the same answers he said where has where has

the growth been that kind of dynamic growth yeah in our spirituality you know i see pockets of it around the world as revival here and there but uh it seems to me in our society today, Christianity is basically too rule-oriented and how can you possibly tell me what to do?

So people are rejecting it. Fortunately, our families, kids, grandkids are still pretty solid, but they're facing our grandkids are facing an onslaught of negativity. I can't imagine being a kid.

now. Just raising my kids. My youngest is now 17. And it's a different world. Yeah. It is a different world. My grandkids now are youngest. Libby's 14. And I've got a great granddaughter that's a year old. And so we're doing a lot of praying for them and that

that they get it right, if you will. So I'm optimistic, but sometimes you see what's all going on in the schools and what they're teaching in the schools. This is totally crazy. Especially with this new thing about, that it's not about merit. I don't know if I'm going to the moon, I want to know that everyone behind me earned that position because they were the best mind we could possibly find. Yeah.

And we're not doing that now. And that doesn't put a man on the moon. No, but I see a lot of in the astronaut corps and the people working on the program have a lot of dedication though. That doesn't bother me. It's just the things I see and our kids that are facing in high school. You know, that gender stuff and all of this stuff that's biblically unsound. And so it's crazy to meet and so we've got to pray for them.

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I think if it wasn't for Walt Disney and Werner Von Braun, we may not have been able to go to the moon. It was man in space that Walt Disney did with Werner von Braun that first lit the imagination of, yeah, we can put a man in space. and he had a huge part of it. But as I read about Warner von Braun, and I don't know what to believe. I don't know what to believe.

There are some that say he absolutely had to have known what was going on in his own camp when he was over in Germany. You knew him personally. So let me separate you first from what you personally know about him. and just say, because we brought hundreds of scientists over here, medical professionals, did we do the right thing after World War I by saying their knowledge beats the character or what they were doing for that knowledge?

Well, you mean World War II. I'm sorry, yeah, World War II, yeah, I'm sorry. Those as I can see that they had a job They were knowledgeable all of the scientists that worked on the V2 and in the German rocket program And and I think they were said you're going to work on this program whether you like it or not and that was just the way Germany These people were commanded And so I think when the war was winding down and Von Braun was convinced he didn't want to go to Russia because he saw what they were like. They were like.

So he knew that the U.S. was a better choice. And they came to U.S. and the Army put them to work and the missile command. And I think their allegiance to the U.S. was always good. And they changed over and they were, they were very, the ones I met for his uppress on, Kurt Debus and Struhol and the others at Marshall that worked for Von Vaughan were outstanding citizens. And they loved America and they loved the space program and they wanted to commit to the, commit to the once NASA was formed to the peaceful exploration of space. Prior to that, they were working for the Army missile command.

But in providing us expertise, because it was being, those missiles were being developed anyway. And so why not take advantage of the knowledge they had? What did you do with, how did you know him? Well, Stu Russo, in the astronaut office, when we first got there, everybody was assigned sort of an additional duty. You monitor the space grant development. You monitor the lunar module development.

You monitor the Saturn's. So Stu Rusa and I got put on a, that was our job and was to go and monitor the development of the Saturn rocket and then report back to the Astronaut office. And so monthly, we would fly to Huntsville, Alabama, at the Marshall Space Flight Center and attend Werner Von Braun's monthly management meetings. Wow. And we just sit there and we didn't have any input into it,

but he welcomed us in and we became friends. And I was very impressed with his management ability and his insight into knowledge of the problems. And they did a tremendous job with the sales We never had a failure in a Saturn, not a catastrophic failure. We may be lost an engine. I think only one engine was lost in the Saturn 5. And is that because of Warner Vonnevon and his team?

Yeah, and his team. And so they developed this massive rocket that was until a space launch system. launch system, SLS is about to launch. It's more powerful than the Saturn. But I mean, it was a tremendous machine. And Vern Braun was behind it and his team. And they did a fantastic job not only to monitor the design and the changes, but also to launch it. Kurt Debus at Kennedy Space Center was one of Van Braun. original team and they were responsible for the launches and did fantastic job.

Why did we stop going to the moon besides disinterest? I mean it's such a... It wasn't disinterest. I think it was a... Disinterest from the people, I think. We got used to people going to the moon, it seems. Yeah, well, that's true. I mean, you know, Neil every second was covered by Walter Cronkite in the news. And when we went, oh hum, You know, it was fifth landing on the moon and nobody's interested anymore. I remember your launch. Yeah, we would hit the launch would hit the papers.

The landing would hit the papers, but well, they were out again. This time it all, it, they was successful, but it was never on the TV. And so my family was able to go to Mission Control into the VIP viewing room and sit behind the controllers and watch us on the moon. We had a funny thing happened that I found out later. We were on the moon, and I have a twin brother, an identical twin brother. And we're up there on the moon,

and you could see us bouncing around on the moon. Well, the flight surgeon invited my brother was a doctor and invited him to come into mission control. So the door opens, and he walked. and they said it was a showstopper. Everybody looked and they looked at me. Who is this? I thought he was up there.

No, it's video tape. That's coming from Hollywood. Yeah, maybe that might be the origin of one of the conspiracy theories. When you hear people talk about conspiracy theories about that we never went, how do you feel? Well, I'm perplexed because the evidence is overwhelming. if they would investigate the evidence that we have that we landed on a moon, not once, but six times, you can't deny all the evidence.

We have photographs from Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter that's taking pictures. You can see the descent stage. You can see the car. You can see the experiments package on our landing site. And every Apollo landing site is documented. And for 400,000 of people to keep it a secret for 50 years, it's pretty remarkable if we faked it. Yeah. And I told one of the NBC something, I said, if we faked it, why do we fake it nine times?

You know, if you go fake something, do it once and shut up. Right. But we went nine times to the moon and landed six successfully. And so with the equipment we left, the science that's come back, the rocks are totally different than the earth rocks. And all of the evidence is we landed on the moon. It's no question. Somebody said, I don't even understand that, there's a radiation belt in between Earth and the moon, and they say you can't get through that. That's a Van Allen belt.

It's high intensity of radiation, but you're going through it at 25,000 miles an hour. So it's seconds you're through. It's like an x-ray. Yeah. So it was that was no problem in Apollo. You're below in Earth orbit. You're below that. But when you leave for the moon, you accelerate a 25,000 miles an hour.

And then you're through those belts within minutes. Were we concerned about that belt the first time we went through? I don't remember any concern. What they were concerned about was the radiation on the moon. And if we had a solar flare, how would we protect the crew? And then the big, not misunderstanding, but the biggest unknown was, you know, if the moon is 3 billion years old,

it's been collecting dust for 3 billion years, and will you sink into the dust? And a lot of the scientists thought set. So we landed surveyor to make sure we weren't going to sink out of sight when we landed. And there was surveyors sitting right on the top of the moon. And, I mean, surface. Well, I mean, it might be dust,

but it's going to be compacted. it or something, yeah. And it's true. I shoveled, I had a shovel and I dug a trench and near where we landed and as the flight plan called for. And I got down to, I could only get three feet, but as I shoveled, it was still dust. But it had a great bearing strength. It was actually pulverized rock. And when you analyze, look at it on a microscope, it's jagged. But when you Interlocks. Yeah, interlocks. And so you step on it.

We never made footprints deeper than maybe an inch or two inches at the most. So I've heard two things on that. I've heard that the footprints, you don't make footprints on the moon. You don't make footprints in the moon. I don't know who these people are that come up with this or what they're using, but you can make footprints in the moon. And then I've also heard that the footprints aren't deep enough. Well, they would, they would, it depended on your weight, I guess, if you weighed 500 pounds, you know, you're going to make a deeper footprint than I do it, 300 pounds in my suit.

And, but you, you always left your footprints. You never, and we drove the car, Glenn, and we never worried about getting lost on the moon because his tracks were always there. You just didn't turn and follow your tracks. tracks back and so you can see that you can see the tracks in the photographs from lunar reconnaissance orbiter and and so it's evidence is overwhelming what do you didn't we leave like a measuring mirror or something on the moon it was a a yeah now you got me a mental blank on it was a reflector right And you could beam a laser on and get a reflection from this object. We didn't leave one on our flight, but several before did. And so.

Can you still hit it with the? Yeah, they can still hit it with the lasers. That would seem to be kind of important. Yeah. I think it was 14, two before yours that left an altar on the moon with the lunar Bible on it. Is that correct? No, it was supposed to be on 13. Right.

Yeah. And it was microfilmed. And when the first 13 brought it back, they put it on 14 and they left it there. Right. And some of it was one or two copies were brought back and it's been distributed around the world. We have one in the hall. We had a Jim Irwin on Apollo 15. after he got back, he became an evangelist

and had a high flight foundation, Colorado Springs, and he quoted scripture on the moon. And Buzz Aldrin had communion, Christian communion on the moon. And then Apollo 8 quoted from Genesis on that first TV back of the earth, So there was some spiritual input, but I didn't ever had any, I didn't feel like I had a time to philosophy or to... Until after. Yeah, it was to laughter, yeah.

And so it was, I was busy the whole time with focused on the, on the procedures, and the, you got to get this job done, you know. Yeah. Welcome to aboard, Viarai. Embarked and profite. Embarked and relax. Ciroat. Bookine. Oh, that also.

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Who shot the footage? he's walking out on the moon one giant leap for mankind he had a TV camera where it was in the as he walked down as he walked down the lamb he pulled a handle that deployed what was called a mesa the modular equipment assembly modular equipment storage assembly storage area or whatever was and in that was a camera and so when that came down they flipped it on and the camera was pointed right at the landing. And so as he came down the ladder, this camera was taking his picture.

It's a TV camera. It's grainy, but it was in that assembly. And then once we got off, they took the camera and put it on a little tripod, if I remember. But on our flights, when we had the car, we had a camera in the same area, and we deployed the car, and then I took the camera and stuck it on the car.

So as we drove, we took pictures ourselves because the TV, the antenna was going like this as you bounced across the moon, and it couldn't point it at the earth. So when we stopped, we pointed the antenna at the earth, turned on the TV, and then they, controlled it from mission control. As a guy sat there, he could change the focus. They could change the everything. He could tilt and move it around. And we just turned it on and they took

all the pictures. People say the flag is a dead giveaway because it's waving and there's no there's no way a flag is waving. Well, the flag was vacuum packed, Glenn, for six months. And And when I unfolded it, I couldn't get the wrinkles out and they didn't give me an iron. So I pulled on the flag and got most of the wrinkles out and stuck it up. It looks like it's waving, but it's not. And I took a picture. Once we got the flag up, I took a picture. And then 72 hours later, I took another picture in the same wrinkles, the same waviness.

and it's held out by a curtain rod or aluminum rod. And so it's all of these things that they say like this are just easily explained, but nobody wants to believe it. They got this thing, you know. And now the Earth's flat, you know, and all that stuff. I can't believe that me either. People are saying that. How do you feel about the mission to Mars?

Not the government, but now. all these private companies. I'm all for it. I think that was one of the greatest things that is a giant leap, if you will, for the space program was SpaceX's and blue origins and all getting involved. And, you know, NASA never made a thing. We always put a proposal out. We need a lunar module and wanted to do this and any other. And so we hired the companies that built it for us, Grumman and North American Rockwell and Rocket Dine and all of the people that were manufacturers and we gave them contracts. And so we ended up with a spacecraft. What happened with SpaceX and Blue Origin, they came to NASA, said, this is what we got. You want to buy it?

And NASA says, yeah, we'll buy that and we'll buy this. And so they're, and they're really good at making changes and low overhead. And NASA said, basically is giving them three or four of them big contracts to. So SpaceX's been the most successful, Blue Origins coming along. And another one with Boeing to help. So NASA gave them the seed money. Right. I mean, they put their money in and deviant.

about what they thought was going to be the future. And sure enough. I heard somebody say, just a couple of weeks ago, there was a launch of Tesla and it blew up. And the immediate response was, really, we went to space. We could do this in the 60s, but we can't get it right with today's technology. And my first thought was,

it's not easy or everyone would do it. Yeah. Why does it see? that we have we're not using it seems like we're not using the technology that like the Saturn 5 rocket that we know works and is dependable what's the difference a new rockets and new designs are it can be difficult and so this big one that blew up at that Bocahcichiga in Texas was just a failure, but they have had tremendous success.

SpaceX has launched astronauts in their SpaceX capsules, and they've even recovered the booster. That's incredible, isn't it? And so the technology is a lot farther along than we did. I mean, we threw everything away as we used it in Apollo, you know, the first stage, and it came back in, and some of it survived. I think Bezos found five of the Saturn 5 S-1 engines,

12,000 feet down under. Wow. And they've been restored and debarnicalized, or whatever you want to call it, by space and rocket, no, not space and rocket, under the cosmos sphere out in Hedgeson, Kansas. A tremendous restorers of space artifacts. You believe are in UFO's alien life?

No, I don't believe in alien life. I believe that there are, God showed me specific answer to two prayers, that they're demonic and that they're demonic beings that make an appearance and appear to be real, and they are real. Satan, Bible says, Satan can appear as an angel light. So they can appear, and so nothing human can make a 90 degree turn at 3,000 miles an hour and survive.

And so they have these, and I think the purpose is to draw you away from, the real God and say, look at us, and this is where you ought to be because we're superhuman and we can do it. So that's my fear. People laugh at me generally, but I'm not gonna be, I don't care.

I love you. I love you. Yeah, God is, he's answered prayers, me, my prayer specifically. And so I said, and I said, And I get laughed at when people say, well, that's what God told me. So I'm going to say that they're demonic beings. And there's not any extraterrestrial.

I mean, super, not superhuman, but other civilizations out there that are farther away from us. It's a distraction from God. Last question. I don't understand. I've been trying to get a spacesuit, an American space suit. I want to keep it in the museum. I could buy a Russian space suit.

I could buy a Chinese space. I could buy a dozen of those. I cannot buy an American spacesuit for any price from any time period. Why? I don't know. I can't answer that question. And my flight suit ended up in the South Carolina State Museum. Your flight suit.

I mean your... No, no. My suit I wore on the moon. Yeah. It's in private hands. No. No. It was in the South Carolina State Museum.

It was on loan from NASA. But then NASA took them all back. And they're now... Why? Because they were deteriorating and they were historic artifacts. And so we're going to... going to put them in a nitrogen environment and we're going to keep them forever and but nobody gets to see them that's it's so me it's crazy the things that were deteriorating is not the exterior it was just the

inner pieces of the rubber and all of that stuff so anyway they took it back and now they're all at the Smithsonian but I think you can I've seen suits that are what I would call training suits from Apollo. And I don't- I'm just looking for things that have actually been to space. Well, that might, that's difficult. Yeah. Yeah.

I mean, you can, I've got things and we were able to keep, which after a big fight, we were able to keep some artifacts that we brought back from the moon, but there's nothing like a space suit. that we would you bring back from the moon well we had some of the stuff that we used on the lunar surface the the shovels the rakes uh those kind of things and then you could once the spacecraft was used up in the lunar module you could take the netting or off of it and some of the checklists and stuff like that that that we'd used and we just brought it back with us not only did we use

It helped debrief the missions, but then we were able to keep that. But it turned out Congress finally, there was a big debate. Well, it's government property. But Congress finally passed the law. It says all the Apollo artifacts that were brought back that are in the private hands, the astronauts have the authority. to keep them. So, and when you go, they'll probably take them back. Charlie, thank you. Very much. Thank you very much, Glenn. I've enjoyed being with you. Likewise. Respect to you a lot.

Thank you. Likewise. Thank you. Thank you. Just a reminder, I'd love you to rate and subscribe to the podcast and pass this on to a friend so it can be discovered by other people.