The Glenn Beck Program - Ep 217 | RFK Jr.: America’s Economic Collapse Will Bring a REVOLUTION | The Glenn Beck Podcast

Episode Date: April 20, 2024

“There’s going to be a revolution" if the economic destruction of America continues, warns Robert F. Kennedy Jr. The “billionaire boys club” at the World Economic Forum is “arranging the world to shift wealth upwards and to clamp down totalitarian controls on everybody else.” This episode of "The Glenn Beck Podcast" is part of an ongoing series to introduce you to the 2024 presidential candidates. In a discussion ranging from Big Pharma and the Patriot Act to Iran and the Second Amendment, RFK Jr. explains what he would do if he defeated both President Biden and Donald Trump to become America's next president. After agreeing on the current conflict in Israel, Ukraine, COVID-19, the administrative state, and the First Amendment, Glenn presses RFK Jr. on guns, ESG, and some of his past statements on climate change ... including one that directly targeted Glenn. In the end, although they may not agree on everything, they do agree: Democrats, Republicans, and big corporations are ALL a “stage show” largely operating under control of mega investment firms like BlackRock. It's the elites vs. the rest of us. Sponsors Jase Medical Get your personalized emergency medical kit today. Visit https://jasemedical.com/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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He's rejected both the DNC and RNC and is running as an independent. His appeals to conservative voters come in his commitment, to take on big pharma, seal the border, and his staunch support for Israel. But he also appeals to those on the left with his views on climate change, which are very strong, reducing the size of the military and building a universal health care system from the ground up. When it comes to the First Amendment and climate change, he and I have had our own, let's say, colorful disagreements. come November, will he be a formidable opponent? Who is he going to do more damage to?

Does he have a chance to win it all? Many on the both on the left and the right fear, his candidacy will ensure either a Trump or Biden victory. But will it? Welcome to a podcast. We welcome a man whose lineage in politics needs no introduction. He is a candidate for president of the United States. United States, his name Robert F. Kennedy Jr.

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We're talking things that will incapacitate an attacker for up to 40 minutes. Government agencies, police departments all over the country are replacing their tays. and anything else for their go-to-less lethal option, it's Burnah. It works for them. It will work for you as well. I want you to go to their website, get 10% off now. You just go to burnah.com slash glen. That's B-Y-R-N-A.com slash Glenn. Welcome to the program. Thanks for having me. It's good to see you after many, many years. So let me just start with a couple of things. First of all, I mean, I don't get to talk to a Kennedy very often. Your father was spectacular. Big fan of your father. The speech that he gave when he found out that Martin Luther King had died is probably the best speech

and the bravest speech I've ever seen any politician give. So it must be hard to be his son. Well, I mean, it's a sort of pride and comfort for. me and my, you know, the first 14 years of my life were spent in his company and, you know, I had the advantage that a lot of people don't have, which is that there are so many books about my family that, you know, most 14-year-old kids who lose a dad, if they want to find out information about them or think about, you know, how do you, how would he have responded to a certain situation. They don't have access to that material, but I feel very lucky that I did. And, you know, because you're always kind of measuring yourself against your dad. And I'm not saying in a competition,

but I'm saying in terms of, you know, role modeling behavior, you know, what would he do? My father, you know, I think my father is a very moral man, very brave man. And so my question is, what would he do in this situation? And a lot of times I have that answer pretty much pretty certainty on my at my fingertips. And that gives me a very good milestone for which to judge my own behavior.

You remember when your father was called when your uncle was killed, right? I was, yes. And what did your dad say? Well, the day that my uncle was killed, the day my uncle was killed I was picked up early I was going to Sidwell Friends

school in Washington D.C. With two of my siblings or actually one of my seven and Joe we were picked up early from school that day and as we were leaving school there were flags

in Washington D.C. were being lowered to half mass. And I asked my mom why are they doing that And she said a bad man killed my, I killed Uncle Jack. When I got home, my father was walking in the yard with John McCone. That was the head of the CIA. My uncle had fired Alan Dulles after the Bay of Pigs, after Dulles lied to him.

He actually wanted my father to run the CIA because they thought the CIA was so out of control. He only, he believed only my father could straighten it out. My grandfather had intervened and said, you can't, the optics for the whole world will be terrible. If a president's brother is running the secret police agency, it will be, there's too much temptation to collusion and, you know, but to politicize it. And so he, they brought. brought in John McCone, who was a Republican businessman, and he was a very pious Catholic. And they thought that he would straighten it out.

But of course, in the CIA, nobody ever told him what was going on. You know, and Dulles was still running it at that time from a distance. And so anyway, my father, the CIA is only about maybe half a mile from my house. we lived in Langley so when the CIA was being constructed the headquarters we would ride every day go horseback riding

my father would wake us up at six every morning and take us horseback riding and nine kids and we would go through the CIA property so I watched it and I'll be billed and then when McComb was appointed he would come to our house every day

during the springtime and and during the autumn to swim in our swimming pool after work. So he would leave work around four or five, and he would come over and do laps, and our swimming pool is only a couple minutes away. A lot of times he'd come to lunch in my house. My father was walking with him in the yard,

and I didn't know what he said at that time, but it's been reported since that my father said, did your people do this? My father made three calls that day. He made the first call he made. After Jay Edgar Hoover, who told him my uncle had been shot, he called the desk officer at the CIA and he said the same question did your people do this

then the next call he made was to harry ruiz who was one of the Cuban uh Bay of pay was one of the Cuban activists he had fought alongside of Castro then turned against Castro and had been part of the you know the the Cubans the militarized Cubans in this country who were who were part of the Bay of Pigs invasion. He didn't actually go in the Bay of Pigs, but he was part of it. And he was very close to my father and remained loyal to him, even when many the other Bay of Pigs Cubans had turned against him. And my father called him. He was at a hotel in Washington. And my father said to him, again, did it? Was it your people who did this? His first suspicion, it was the Miami Cubans who were are affiliated with the CIA and who are very, very hostile to Jack and my dad.

And because they believe that my uncle should have invaded in the Bay of Pigs, should have provided air support and then gone in and deposed Castro. And they felt he was a traitor, some of them, I thought he was a traitor for that. And then during, in 62, during the Cuban Missile Crisis, they wanted them to go in. And he had instead began a process of detente with crew chef and with Castro. In fact, the day that my uncle was killed, he had an emissary meeting with Castro at Castro's summer house at Veredero Beach in Cuba outside of Havana and talking about what, you know, the conditions would be to end the embargo to Cuba, which my uncle wanted to do. Wow. And so, but, you know, he knew there was tremendous hostility to.

toward him in the Cuban community among some members of the Cuban community and that a lot of those people had been working with the CIA on the assassination programs against Castro and on and that you know a lot of them were highly highly militarized they've been in Batista's army they were sharpshooters there was all kinds of you know sort of highly militarized people who were capable of doing this so

So I'm watching a show. It's just out on Netflix called The Octopus Murder. So I don't know if you've heard of this, but it's another really bad period of the CIA, starting in the 1980s under Reagan and killing and, you know, it's horrible what they were. Mainly like Operation Condor and Latin America and the Sandinistas. Yes, but it's much deeper than that. It now seems. you know after after the 60s we had the church commission then the 80s we're seeing it again with a rand contra

we're seeing it now is there a way to bring the CIA NSA NSC all of it under control yeah I mean you know my uncle actually you know one of the documents that the CIA has been kept secret you know and there's a few thousand documents left but in the most recent release last year, one of the documents that was released was a memo from Arthur Schlesinger to my uncle that summarized my uncle's plans for reorganizing the CIA for how to end this kind of rogue operation.

Right. And my father, a week before he died, my father was asked by Pete Hamill, who was, famous New York kind of street reporter, you know, and very close to my father. He was a high school dropout

who'd become this, you know, incredible reporter, important reporter in New York. And Hamill asked my father, they were on a bus in California campaigning. And Hamill asked him, what are you going to do about the CIA? And my father essentially paraphrased

what this earlier memo said, which is that he was going to separate the plans division, which is the Dirty Tricks Division from the espionage division. And those are the two main functions of the CIA. The espionage is what you want the CIA to be doing. That's information gathering and analysis, analytics. And the president needs that service. He needs to know what's happening around the world,

what the ramifications and various decisions will be. And so that is necessary. And that was why the CIA was founded to do that. But Alan Dulles, very early on, had changed the function of the CIA to allow it to do, you know, all these other malevolent tasks with overthrowing governments, fixing elections, bribing public officials, all of the sort of dirty tricks. That's called the plans division. Now, my father and my father had seen that that tail, the Plans Division tail, was now wagging the espionage talks. And the espionage division had become the servant to the Plans Division. And the espionage division's function was to provide tasks for the Plans Division to fix things in other countries.

And then it served the function of justifying those and making sure none of the blowback was ever accounted for or weighed or. measured or reported. My father saw that that was catastrophic and that the espionage division was enabling the plan's division to do all this stuff and making sure they were never held accountable. My father wanted to break them up into two separate agencies. The espionage division would be looking over the dirty tricks division and saying, okay, what was the blowback? What, you know, you if you ask the CIA, one of the greatest coups in their history, that's not a good word to use because of the actual word.

Right. But one of the greatest triumphs in their history was overthrowing a Muhammad Mossadegh in Iran at 1953. And then the next one in 1954, they overthrew Yakobo Arbenz in Guatemala. Guatemala has never recovered. It's got the highest murder rate in the hemisphere. It's, you know, got terrible poverty.

It never recovered from that. Iran has never recovered from the overthrow. And hey, the problems we're having in Iran today and the problems that Gaza and Iraq and everything else all come from that overthrow. We took the first democratically elected president in the 4,000 history of Iran and who would love the United States.

And he loved us. And Churchill tried to overthrow him first. and his advisor said to them they threw out the British British embassy closed and his advisor said to him you should throw out the United States too because they're part of it

and he said no the United States would never do that the United States is a colonial nation and they stand up for democracy and they believe in us and that was when Truman was president and but as soon as Eisenhower came in and Eisenhower kind of you know had this relationship

with Dulles, where Dulles became very powerful. And, you know, for good reason, Eisenhower had been the general in World War II. He did not want to go into another war. And he saw the CIA as kind of a way to manipulate public events and to, you know, to get rid of problems without sending U.S. troops abroad.

And so he relied very heavily on Dulles. And Dulles, you know, had this, Dulles was able then to just run amok. And there's a terrific, probably the best book on Dulles is by David Talbot. It's called Devil's Chess Board. It's a fantastic book. But one of the things Talbot says about him is that he was incapable of distinguishing between the corporation, the welfare of the corporations that he had represented.

He had been an attorney for Sullivan Cromwell, and which is the biggest white shoe law firm in New York. And his clients had been Texaco, United Fruit Company, and these other companies that were operating. Oh, and Texaco wanted the, you know, when, when Muhammad Muzidig said, hey, we're going to start actually charging BP in Texco for the oil that they're taken from our country. Dallas said, oh, that's God. I mean, is there communist?

and overthrew them. But it was protecting the financial, the mercantile and charges of Texaco. And then the same thing happened in Guatemala. Yacobra Bens had, was a democratically one of the greatest leaders in Latin American history. And he said 80% of Guatemala's arable land

was controlled by United Fruit. and they weren't using it. They were keeping it fallow to keep the price of labor low and the price of bananas high. And so Yacobor, I've said, no, we're going to distribute it all to the to the peasants.

And we're going, including his own land, he nationalized his own property. And he said, we're going to pay them for it. But United Fruit had claimed on its tax returns that the

that all of this property, 80% of land in the country, was worth only $17 million because they wanted to keep their taxes. Right. But then when he said, okay, we're going to nationalize it, and here's your $17 million. They said, no, no, no, we were making a mistake. It's really $300 million. And he said, that's not what you've been saying for 20 years

when you're paying tax and we're going to give you what you said. It was worth yourself. And so they got on the phone to, to Tulles and had him overthrow the government. And Guatemala's never been, so the espionage division ought to be looking at these blowbacks and say, okay, Obama, you used a drone and you killed the terrorists and, you know, his kids with that drone attack and it was a bad terrorist and we got rid of them. What's the long-term cost?

Correct. He's 14 brothers. You know, are they now all going to be calm about it? or are they now jihadists? Right. You know, and that kind of blowback is never, ever assessed by the CIA, and that's one of the problems with having those two divisions, you know, melted. So with that being said, I think everybody has changed to me.

I know I have changed dramatically since September 11th. Because I've seen the things, you know, when they said, they hate us for our freedom. I don't think so. They hate us because we say one thing and then we ghost plain people. You know, we are not the nation. I thought we are. Can we get there?

Are we too far gone? Can we get back to our Constitution and Bill of Rights and equal justice under the law? Being colorblind and all of those things that I always thought we were, but I guess it never really were. Listen, I think if we have a president who understands what America is supposed to look like and is determined to do that, that we can do that. You know, my uncle did that. My uncle changed.

He was foreign policy dramatically. In the thousand days, he was in the White House. He was born foreign policy before he came in. had one objective, which was anti-communism. And the way that they were executing that objective is putting U.S. foreign policy and U.S. military aid. The leaders who said, I'm anti-communism, I'm killing communism. But a lot of times they were just,

they were in league with an oligarchy, and any peasant who complained about, you know, I'm not getting enough wages to live, that became a communist. And so the U.S. was on the side of the, you know, of the oligarchs and it was actually empowering. Yeah. In fact, you know, my uncle had two trips

when he was in all in his three years in office that were the happiest he's ever been. One was when he went to Ireland and he was the first Irish Catholic president and it was like a homecoming of a, you know, of a hometown boy who made good. And then the other was to Columbia. And he met the, the president of Columbia then was a man named Yeris Garmargo.

And Jackie and Jack said that all the people they met, and they had met the greatest leaders in history, they met DeGall and France. They met Amon de Valero, who was the George Washington of Ireland, who had fought in the Easter rebellion against the British, and he became the president. and they loved him, but they said the smartest and the most charming and brilliant of all the statesmen they met

was Yerz-Cad-Margo in Colombia. They had a million people come out to see my uncle in the main square in Colombia. And Yer-Sad-Margo turned to him, and he said, do you know why they love you? And my uncle said, no, why? And he said, because they think you put America on the side of the poor.

And my uncle, you know, made a decision that he was not going to send troops abroad. He kept this out of Lally. He said, his best friend, Ben Bradley, said to him, what do you want in your gravestone? And my uncle, Jack Kennedy, said, he kept the peace. He said the principal job of a president of the United States was to keep the country out of war. He said he didn't want African children and Latin American children and Asian children when they heard the United States of America to think of a man in a uniform with a gun. He wanted to think of a Peace Corps volunteer of the Alliance for Progress, which was helping the poor people create a middle class, the USAID, which that's what it was

supposed to do. It's now a CIA. CIA. Yeah, front. But that's not why he created it. So, um... But anyway, he succeeded in doing that. He kept the country. He never sent a combat troop abroad. And he instead projected economic power abroad rather than military power. And today, there's more statues to him in Africa, Latin America, Asia, or universities, more parks named after him, more hospitals than any other president, and probably more than all U.S. presidents combined because it was an effective foreign policy. And I think that's what we need to get back to. We need to tell the world we're not going to be on the side of the oligarchs and, you know, the power brokers. We're going to be on the side of the poor and of fairness. And, you know,

And it's going to be good for our country because we need to build ourselves economically. That's the best national defense. So it's strange. We're sitting with two candidates besides you, two candidates. One is always against war. Donald Trump has been against war the whole time and did some really great things in the Middle East, I think. Then we have another president that was running for president, who I swear to you, it's almost, to me, it's almost like there's a lot of people that want to go to war.

And it all seems to be these Western leaders that I don't understand. Ukraine is corrupt. We know that. We're sending boatloads of money over to them with no checks or balances on it. We know a lot of it is being taken by oligarchs and all the payoffs that go along with. it what what what is our foreign policy now and there's no audit right and uh and it's the most corrupt country in the world so you know that's you know independent assessors say have said for years it's the most corrupt country in the world by the way my son went over there and fought

or you know on the side of ukraine for the foreign legion over there and he was a machine gutter for his special forces unit and you know he and i don't see how to eye on the war um but But, you know, I'm proud of him for what he did. And I, you know, I also have, I share his pride in the fighting spirit of the Ukrainian people. And I don't, I don't, I, we have a problem mixing people with leadership and politics. Exactly. And that, and you know, this war is an immoral war because it was unnecessary. Putin tried repeatedly to settle the war, the Minsk Accords, which, you know,

2019. It was negotiated settlement, very fair to Ukraine, very fair to the United States. The U.S. Britain signed on to it, France signed onto it, Germany signed onto it, and Ukraine. And Zelensky ran in 2019. He's a comedian and a television actor. He wins with 70% of the vote because he ran on a peace platform because Ukrainian people wanted peace. And they wanted to sign the Minsk Accords. And we could have all walked away. from it and Russia would not have to boss the Lugans. Instead, Zelensky got in there and he pivoted. Why did he pivot? Well, nobody really knows, but the suspicion is that he was threatened by ultra-nationalists, reeds, or neo-Nazis, in his own political party. And by the U.S. State

Department by Victoria Newland, who's then head of the neocons. And that she said to him, you will not get U.S. support unless you oppose that agreement. So Putin then goes in, and we say, we're all told this comic book story, he's a, you know, a supervillain who's going to take over Europe. Really? I don't think so. He said only 40,000 troops. He clearly doesn't want to take control the country. It's a country of 44 million people. And it's what he said. He just wanted us back on negotiating table. So we won't help Zelensky negotiate. Zelensky goes to China.

They won't help him. So he goes to Israel. And Naftali Bennett, the Prime Minister of Israel said, I'll help. And then he goes to Turkey. And Ahmed Erdogan, the Prime Minister of Turkey, says, I will help. And they sit down with Putin's people. They negotiate another agreement. And the main thing in both agreements is Putin doesn't want NATO in Ukraine.

Ukraine. He wants Ukraine to be neutral. We promised him that for a long time. We promised him in 92 and again, you know, Gorbachev at 92 and again and again. Yep. And they told us from the start, if you go into Ukraine, don't go to any of these countries. We went into 14 countries, moved NATO a thousand miles to the east. But they said from the outset, NATO is a red line. We've been invaded through NATO three times.

The last time we were invaded, they killed one out of every seven Russians. And we're not going to allow anybody. control NATO and then put Aegis Tomahawk missiles four minutes from Moscow. Correct. We could decapitate the entire Russian leadership in four minutes.

The Russian Cuban, the Cuban missile crisis in reverse. Exactly. And of course the Russians don't want that. My uncle always said, if you want peace, you better understand your opponent. You better put yourself in the shoes

and your opponent. Nobody's doing that. Nobody in our government will talk to Putin. Why? Are we this dumb? Or do we have everything? I've never seen an administration make this many errors that all fall out of the interest

of the United States. I mean, it's a cluster of bad policies. Here's what I would say, because I never put myself in other people's heads. I don't. you know, to answer, why is he doing it? I'll never do that unless I can tell you. I can tell you the incentives.

One is, at every time we move NATO into a new country, that country is under a contractual obligation to conform its weapons purchases to NATO specifications. That means billions of dollars, Arathion General Dynamics, North Grumman, Boeing, and Lockheed. And those companies, which are all on by Black Rock, control both the Republican and Democratic Party.

And, you know, that's part of this whole engine that keeps us in a constant state of war. So they want to go into NATO. And, you know, and then you have a president, President Biden, who always has been, it's like the big, the only foreign policy tool that he has, military. It's like the guy, Copran, too, has a hammer, and it's the only tool he's got. Lindsey Graham.

Everything looks like a nail to him. And they, you know, it's a go-to. And, you know, Biden was the first guy into Iraq. You know, my uncle was against the Iraq war. A lot of other people were, but Biden was the guy who was leading the charge for Iraq, which was the worst foreign policy plunder in the history of our republic. We drove Iraq. Iraq today. We spent four trillion dollars there. We killed more Iraqis than Saddam Hussein. We created ISIS. We left it. It's an incoherent battle between Shia and Sunni dead squads. We pushed it into a proxy position with Iran. So now, you know, it was our bulwark against Iran. The reason that Gaza has,

happen is because of Iraq. We destroyed Iraq as a bulwark against Iran. So now Iran is in flexing its muscles all over the region. It owns Iraq. It owns Hamas. It owns Hezbollah. It owns Houdis. And it's, you know, it's expanded. It's an expansion mode. We drove four million refugees up into Europe and destabilize every democracy in Europe for the next probably three generations. We created Brexit. Brexit is a result, direct result, like linear, on the Iraq war. And we created bricks, which is the end of the, you know, dollar as a global reserve currency, because everybody's so angry at us about it. So it was crazy. And but, but if you ask, what would happen if you ask Joe Biden today, was that a colossal error? I don't think he'd say so. No. I think he thinks,

We got rid of Saddam Hussein. So I feel as though we're right now fighting Democrats, Republicans. And I don't think it's Democrats and Republicans. I think that's a stage show. I think it is the elites and the people. Brexit is not because they're wild conspiracy theorists or anything else. It's they're proud of their nation in a healthy way. And they want to make their own rules.

here in the United States, over in France. The same thing with the French, or not the French, but the Norwegians coming out with their tractors. Look, this is bad for us farmers. Why are we playing this international game? Do you agree with any of that? Yeah, I think it's a populace and like a class war, like you say. But not in a negative.

Well, here's the thing about populism. Populism is easily hijacked by Democquex. Yes. But it doesn't necessarily have to be kind of, you know, dark. Yes. It doesn't have to be fascism or Nazism. Yes. Populism, you know, it was the populist movement in our country in 1903 that got rid of the Gilded Age.

And, you know, we got a 40-hour work week. We had to child labor. We got women the vote. We got, you know, we got the Sherman Antitrust Act pass, and we made corporations to pay taxes for the first time. And we passed a law that made it illegal for corporations to donate to federal political candidates. That came out of the populist movement in the country and the progressive movement. So it was an idealistic impulse. And but it's often hijacked.

And I, you know, I'll give you this example that my father ran a populist campaign in 1968. eight. All the elites against him, he had the big city mayor's against him, he had the labor unions all against them, except for the UAW and then Cesar Chavez's Union. All the other ones who had been with him in 1960 were now against them. The liberal newspapers were all against them. The liberal newspapers were now against them. The liberal newspapers were, you know, McCarthy, my father always said McCarthy had the students and he had the B and C students and um but um he had he had you know everybody all the the power centers were against them but he had this you know the last day of his life he won the most rural state in our country South Dakota and the most urban state California and when you know when I took that train ride taking his body I was with him when he died in Los Angeles she and took that train ride from New York City to Washington, D.C. to take his body down.

There were two million people on the train tracks, and there were every color. It was the entire cross-section of the American people. There were people in military uniform, Boy Scouts, hippies, or black people, white people, priests, rabbis, people carrying American flags, signing, you know, signs said goodbye Bobby,

pray for his Bobby. And it was the, you know, it was like All-America, four years, years later, a lot of the white people who had stood on that train track between, you know, Newark and Baltimore and Delaware, and who had strongly supported my father in 68, they changed their vote overwhelmingly not to George McGovern in 72, but to George Wallace, who was antithetical to everything my father. But he was now the standard bearer for the populace movement. It was a dark kind of populism. So I think all of the, you know, we're seeing a

revolution in this country that's going to happen. You can't have a situation. Fifty-seven percent of the people in this country can't put their hands on $1,000 if they have an emergency. 54% of the people in this country are not making enough money to pay for basic human needs. But there's going to be a revolution. And is it going to be a revolution? And is it going to be captured by, you know, the dark regressive forces, or are we going to keep, are we going to be able to keep it for, you know, as an expression of idealism? So, but I think that the problem that we have is the sides are all mixed up. I don't know who's who anymore. And, uh, and, uh, and you have the federal government colluding with gigantic business. I'm a conservative.

I used to, I used to be one of the dummies that used to say, Apple's not going to do anything. Google can. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, they can. The liberals used to be the ones who would be telling me that. Now I'm like, I'm on your side,

and they're gone. The liberals are now for censorship, which is astonishing to me. The liberals are pro-war, which is astonishing to me. The liberals are anti-Israel. They're on the side, not on the Palestinians.

Well, I'm on the side of the Palestinians, but I'm not on the center. Yes, and I'm not on the side of Iran. No. You know, what's happened to the liberal parties, the liberal parties were skeptical of corporate control of our government. And now it's like, you know, the pharmaceutical companies are like, you know, they're like the angels of heaven for them. Where do you stand on the WEF, the World Economic Forum? It is like, you know, we shouldn't be paying any It's a billionaires boys club as arranging the world to shift wealth upward and to clamp down totalitarian controls on everybody else. And now they got the capacity to do it.

They got all these countries running around doing what they tell them to do. It's astonishing to me that these people go to Davos and their private jets. And they're able to tell these world leaders how to govern us in ways that, eradicate our constitutional and civil rights and and and constantly shifting all the I mean COVID during COVID you know and I know you're a president Trump fan but President Trump got rolled by his bureaucrat and he locked he came in saying I'm a businessman I'm going to run this place like a business right he gave the keys to all of our shops and so I know business and Tony Fauci and shut down 3.3 million businesses.

Let's talk about this. But we shifted $4 trillion of wealth upward. We closed all the little guys. And we did Amazon, Rich, and Google, and they're all colluding with each other to censor the people who were like me who were complaining about it. Correct. So I agree with you on that.

And I give everybody the benefit of the doubt for a few weeks because we didn't know necessarily what was coming. So good intention, bad intention. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. But there comes a point to where you're like, wait, wait, wait, you're shutting down the entire economy. And the New York Times wrote about me and saying when I said, you know, there are people my age, we'll go into work.

Let's keep the thing running so our kids aren't put behind. They said I was trying to kill, you know, old people. Right. It's ridiculous. And, you know, I'll tell you something about that. But the only kind of well-known person who would talk to me, come on my podcast, early in COVID, was Kelly Slater, who's the world, greatest surfer in the world right now, arguably. And Kelly saw what they were doing. He said, look, there's people in Malibu, people out surfing in the water.

Okay. and the sheriff is going and giving them $1,000 tickets on the beach and telling them not to come back, but go home. And by that time, we already knew that COVID only spread indoors. The way to stop it was to stay in the sunlight

and get healthy. They were putting, in Venice, you know, near where I live in California, they went to the skateboard parks, half pipes, and they threw sand on them so the kids couldn't exercise, because couldn't be outside. They went to the black neighborhood,

like Compton or here are. them, beds die, and they shut down the basketball courts. And if they couldn't lock them down, they took the hoops out. Yeah. So you're locking all these kids in. The only in dish of poverty that actually, you know, improved during COVID was there were fewer reports on child abuse. And why is that? Because most reports on child abuse happen in the schools, and we closed down the schools. And we locked all those kids in the apartment with their abusers with no meals because they're getting their one hot meal a day from the schools. And, you know, what we did to our kids' development is just criminal. There's about half of the kids now are going to need

remedial education all the way through high school. We just destroyed this generation. And CDC's, You know, there's a report that came out from Brown University that said there's a 22 IQ point loss among toddlers, 22 IQ points. And CDC's response to that is that a year ago, they rewrote the child milestones. So it used to be that a child would have to walk, you know, that you weren't normal if you walked to 12 months. They changed up to 18 months. That you would have. Just lower the bar. You had, you would have 50 words by 18 months now.

They say a year and a half. And so on. So they, you know, they're trying to normalize what they did to our children. And it's so, the whole thing is so criminal and so corrupt. So there's a couple of things. And I'd like to know specifically what you would do. First of all, you, Donald Trump has said that if he wins, he'd like to make you, put you over CDC or FDA. And I'd like to talk to you about that.

but I also want to hear from you, what do you do to restore the trust? If there is, God forbid, Ebola, you know, starts, you know, circling the world, who's going to believe it? Who's going to listen to the expert doctors because the good doctors were all silenced, they all lost their license?

It's just the doctors that are left that, you know, played the game. How do we restore the trust? profession disgraced itself and uh and that you know the thousands of doctors who were trying to tell the truth were punished they were deliccised they were gaslighted they were vilified and demonized and silence and it was uh you know it was really criminal i mean the way and by the way we you know because of what we now know because of the woolahun lab etc they're men messing with a bull and they're messing with, you know, Chichamonga and all of these, you know, really horrific diseases, not with, you know, 0.01 infection, much of mortality rate, but with 50%, 20%, 10%.

And, you know, and they're making bad, they're making these diseases. And of course, some of them escape every year. So, you know, that needs to be stopped. We need to, we need to restore the bio-weapons convention of 1973 that Richard Nixon signed, and he said, and he closed down Fort Dietrich and said, we're not making bio-weapons anymore. And after 2001, the Patriot Act, a week after 9-11, 9-11 happens one week later, there is an anthrax attack on our government. And at that point, Patrick Leahy and a couple of... of other senators were fighting the Patriot Act and saying you can't do this. This is an attack on American constitutional democracy. Those senators, the ones who are fighting the Patriot Act, are the ones who all got the anthrax. And so they were silenced. The Congress was shut down,

and they passed the Patriot Act. Well, the Patriot Act had a provision in it that says, we're not getting rid of the Geneva Convention on Bio Weapons. We're not getting rid of of the 1973 Bio-Weapons Convention, we have a new rule that says that any federal officer or employee who violates those treaties cannot be

prosecuted, and that relaunched the Bio-Weapons Arms Rays, and the Pentagon didn't want to do it at first. You know, violating Geneva's hanging offense. So they started redirecting all that money to Anthony Fauci. They do bio-weapons

research under the gun. of vaccine research. So why isn't he in jail? Well, he's not at jail because Joe Biden is presidents and because, you know, unfortunately Donald Trump colluded with or was, you know, run over by him. Right. Donald Trump knew what was wrong. He knew not to shut down our businesses. And he knew about, you know, the, he knew about lockdowns. He knew about Ivermectin, hydroxyclorquine. And yet, and he said it, he tried to speak up, but his own bureaucrats told him to shut up, and he unfortunately did what he was told. And that's, you know, why I think that he doesn't deserve another chance.

And you may defend him on that, but. I don't defend him on the, on the vaccine or any of it. I think you could make the case early on. Everybody was trying. I try to believe, except for Fauci, I try to believe. I try to believe that everybody had good intent doing what they thought was right. And then it just started dogpiling. And then it became, I don't even know, communist China.

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But I don't know if you remember this, but you said, and so I'm going to tell you that the next time you see John Stossel or Glenn Beck or Rush Limbaugh, these flat earthers, I believe the earth is around, these corporate toadies lying to the American public, telling you that global warming doesn't exist, which I never said. I believe in global warming. I just don't believe in the answers that we've come up with so far.

I'm telling you that global warming doesn't exist. Send an email to their advertisers. tell them that you're not going to buy their products anymore. This is treason, and we need to start treating them now as traitors. You're smart enough to know what that means constitutionally. That's execution. Well, let me say this. I wouldn't say that today.

And part of it is part of the reason I wouldn't say that is because I watched our country run over not only the First Amendment, but all three arms of the First Amendment, the freedom of worship. We close a million churches for a year. Who could have imagined that would ever happen? You know, whatever happened in this country. With no due process, no just compensation,

no scientific citation, no public hearings, none of the safeguards of democracy. We then roll over rights to freedom of assembly and association by, you know, with this weird science-free, you know, social distancing. You can be at a BLM riot, but you can't protest COVID. Or you can get on a, you have to wear a mask on a plane, but except when you're eating your meal. You know, I mean, it was like a kabuki comedy. Correct.

And then they shut down the Fifth Amendment, right? You know, they shut down 3.3 million businesses. There's no due process, no justice conversation. They got rid of the Seventh Amendment, which was a right to jury trial. It said if a vaccine company or any other entity that was responding to COVID, countermeasures, cancel them.

And it injures you no matter how negligent they are, no matter how malicious they are, no matter how much they lie, no matter how grievous your injuries, you can't sue them. And, you know, the Seventh Amendment says, no, Americans shall be denied. a right to a trial before a jury of his peers in case of controversies exceeding $25.

There's no pandemic exception. There's no exception really on any of the amendments. None of them. And they were written for hard times. They weren't written for easy time. The First Amendment was not written for the speech that we all want to hear. Yeah. It was for the speech nobody wants to hear.

That's embarrassing. That's appalling. Right. You know, ideas that are horrible ideas. But that's what it was. written to protect. And, you know, during the, during the Civil War, when our country was really this far from falling apart, and we, you know, killed 659,000 Americans, the equivalent of 7.2 million today, Confederates were sending agents provocateurs to the northern cities to drum up draft

riots. Right. And those were really destroying northern morale and destroying our capacity to, you know, to fight the war. And so Abraham Lincoln suspended. They knew the people were as soon as they came in the city. And Lincoln suspended habeas corpus and started arresting him. And Judge Cheney, the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court said, you can't do it. Even if the wife of the nation is forfeit, you can't do it.

Because the Constitution is more important than anything. So, you know, it was much worse than anything that happened in COVID, which was a bad flu. If we had treated it like a bad flu, it would have been a bad flu. We treated it like an emergency and told all these people, you know. So, yeah, my whole, I would never say anything like that today because my thinking on it has evolved, and I can see how dangerous statements like that are

because, you know, the government actually is doing some of this stuff. Yeah. I accept people changing, so thank you for that. I wondered because there are the WEF, the part of the Green New Deal has shot everybody up from talking. And I don't, I really don't care if we want to change our country, then let's be honest about it and say, this is what we want to do. these are the things and then let's vote on it. And if that side wins, that side wins. At least it was fair and we were open about it and we all know what we're getting into.

But we're in this place now of shouting people down and saying, you don't have a right to say this. You don't have a right to talk. That's a danger to democracy. Quite honestly, I think almost everything that our government is doing is a danger to democracy right now. Yeah, I mean, I would agree with that. that it's, and for starters, it just lies about everything. Yes.

And there's no transparency and there's no effort. I mean, you know, you're a senator and you ask for, you know, correct information on the Wuhan lab and you get 150 pages fully redacted. There's no oversight. What? So, you know, and you talk to these senators and congressmen who, who are just not allowed to see what's happening inside of the U.S. government agencies. And, you know, what does this have to do with democracy?

And everybody's treating it. It's like it's normal. So what is it? I mean, you watch Congress, and Congress just gave their power away to the administrative state years ago. I don't think any of them want to pass. Some of them do. Some of them are really good guys. but a lot of them don't want to they don't want to be held responsible for anything we just did an episode where we showed how many of them are performing well over the s and p 500 you know with increases of 232 percent year over a year what do you mean they mean congressmen's investments investments their portfolios yeah their portfolios where they have all my kids showed me a a website where you can it's like a fund where you can bet on Nancy Pelosi's bets.

Right, right. Because her, you know, because she's exceeding that. Yeah, she consistently. She, I think, was 89 or 92% over the S&B 500. I mean, it doesn't happen. It just doesn't happen unless you're insider trading. So everybody seems to be getting rich. The American people are getting poorer.

We have out of control spending, which honestly, you know, at least could we get a nice car for everybody? I mean, I feel like we spend all this money and we've got nothing to show for it. Nothing to show for it. We have worse than nothing. We have a $34 trillion debt.

Yes. We're now, the cost of servicing that debt every year is more than our military budget. Yeah. And within five years, 50 cents out of every dollar collected in taxes is going to go to servicing the debt within 10 years, 100% of the money we collected in taxes is going to be needed for the debt.

And so how is nobody talking? So how do you stop it? Well, the thing is, I'm going to stop that. President Trump's not going to stop it. He ran up the biggest debt of any president in history. He ran up after saying, you know, I'm going to address the debt. He ran up an $8 trillion debt personally, which is more than all the presidents before him combined since George Washington, 283 years and then and Biden is now on the route the matching that and it's insane and there's it's

unsustainable it's going to destroy our country and destroy our dollar everything the the only way you know we need to cut we need to do huge cuts to our defense budget that's the big and then we need to cut our our health costs the only way to stop our health costs is by ending the chronic disease epidemic, which we can do very quickly. But right now we have agencies that are all tied in with the food processors, the pharmaceutical companies that are driving this chronic disease epidemic.

When my uncle was present, the annual budget, the cost of healthcare was about four to six percent of our GDP. Today it's almost 20 percent. And the cost of healthcare is, the cost of treating chronic disease is $4.3 trillion. Oh, the cost of diabetes alone is as large as the, which is, you know, mitochondrial dysregulation.

The cost of that is larger than our defense budget. When I was a kid, a typical pediatrician would see one case of juvenile diabetes in this whole lifetime. Today, one out of every three kids who walks through his office door is either pre-diabetic or diabetic. Nobody's talking about this. The cost of autism is now a trillion dollars a year. My generation, I'm 70, year to 60, I'm 70 years old. I didn't know anybody with autism.

No, we knew nobody when we were a kid. I didn't know anybody with peanut allergies. No, my kid, my wife, I 11 siblings, 70 cousins, nobody with a peanut allergy. Why do five my seven kids have allergies? Why does, you know, the autism rates in my generation today, right now, 24, one in 10,000, 70-year-old men have autism. And my kids' generation is one in every 34 kids, one in every 22 boys, according to CDC. Nobody's talking about this.

These are bankrupting our country. It's a trillion dollars a year just for autism. All these kids who are disabled. Nobody's talking about why is this happening? But you have, but you're, we're, we're living in a time where the big corporations,

big food, big pharma, everything, big food destroying our local farms, destroying them. I'm, I'm a rancher. With the government.

Yeah, absolutely with the government. There's only four meat packers in this whole country. Why? Why? Because, you know, the first thing I'm going to do,

is file antitrust, I can't say, because they're all owned by BlackRock, right? And so, and Black Rock, that's the way they want it. So there's, the government has the absolute power to, and they're squeezing, they're squeezing the ranchers and they're squeezing the consumers, and they're making all the money and shifting the money upward. It's completely illegal, and they're getting away with it because they have political control. What are your thoughts on ESG? ESG. You know what? ESG is, environmental social governance standards for the banking? You know, I believe in free markets. And I think, you know, we, we, we should have markets in our energy sector and elsewhere

that we need to get rid of subsidies. Most environmental pollution is subsidies. In fact, all of it is. It's a way of liquidating the environment for cash and putting it on your problem. line what I will you know what my policy is is get rid of the subsidies and including the environmental subsidies but will you get rid of the the the collusion between the governments of the world and the banks with ESG standards saying you have to have certain social practices environmental practices and

governance practices and the banks refusing to give loans to those companies that say, no, you don't have a place to tell me these things. You don't have a place to tell me you have to be on the board. I don't think that that's a good idea. And by the way, I, you know, listen, I've been working on civil rights issues my whole life. My first case as an informal lawyer was NACP, representing an ACP and against the town of Austining for putting a waste transfer station. in the oldest black neighborhood in the Hudson Valley.

And I've worked on environmental justice issues my whole life. 20% of my career has been representing American Indians in litigation against polluters and big resource companies. I work in all these areas. I've been for 35 years. I've been on the board of Bedford-Stuyvesant Restoration, which is the oldest and biggest community development, corporation in the country, which is the purpose of it is to get capital and entrepreneurial

expertise into black community, into the one of the biggest, you know, biggest black community in New York, and has been very, very successful at doing that. And I think that the, you, you can't eliminate racism by telling people don't be racist. You, you, what you do, what you can do is we can make our kids resilient. When I was a kid, I was, you know, it was, my uncle was running for president. He was the first Irish Catholic president. And there was a lot of Irish Catholic prejudice at that time, bigotry. And I was called a mackerel snatcher when I was a kid.

I was called Mick and all of these other, you know, perjuratives. It never affected me. I would, somebody would call me those names. I'd say something's wrong with them. Yeah. And we want to make sure that, because I knew I had a good education, education, I had a loving family around me, I had opportunities, and that was not going to get in my way. There were just people who were nasty or people, and that's just what life was.

I want to make sure that every black kid in this country has that resilience so that if somebody says something or does something racist to them, that they can stand up for themselves and stand up with confidence. And the way you do that is by making sure our education system, works for them. There are, you know, there are charter schools in New York like the Success Academy, which brings kids in by lottery. So, okay, it's bringing, choosing kids from the, from the most impoverished neighborhoods by lottery. And they have a better graduation rate and a better college placement rate than Scarstale High School, which is the best public high school in the state. But that, that, we can fix our. education system and again I think it's ultimately through giving people choice but so are you for school

choice yeah I'm for school choice and I'm for but I also want to make sure the principals have control over what happens in their schools so that they're held responsible for it so you saw the effect of the labor unions because of COVID on their schools right and I you know I disagree with a lot of things that children's or that the teachers union did but I would say this that the people who've been very very successful this have been able to figure out ways to work with the unions what you need is you need principles of the power of fire people and you can negotiate and work with the unions to buy out contracts and to and to do it in a way that is as least disruptive and as least tension as But I think we need to have choice.

We need to give principals control over their own schools and then hold them responsible. But you can't hold them responsible without giving them control. And then if the school doesn't work, if they're not educating our children, they're gone. AI is moving fast across the enterprise. But without visibility, it's just chaos. Different tools, different models, different teams using AI in completely different ways. Service now turns that chaos into control. With the AI control tower, you see all your AI across the business in one place.

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And I know other people whose lives have been, I saw what it did to my family. I've seen what it does to other people. But I also understand, you know, I've spent years of my life in rural areas in this country. And I spent live for two years in Alabama. I've lived in South Dakota. I grew up in Virginia. And I know that there's a gun culture in this country. that sees that, you know, that is an existential right for them.

And that, you know, do you see it as a right? I mean, it is a right. It's in our bill. I believe in the Constitution. And it's part of the Second Amendment. So, yeah. And I think that we need to work with each other to understand why we're having the gun violence in this country that no other country has.

So do you believe, I mean, I think these are kind of separate. I mean, the law-abiding gun owner, they're not the ones, you know, going out and shooting usually. It's the ones who aren't either taking care of them correctly in their home or it's, you know, criminal activity. But the idea of a gun is not to hunt. It is to protect against an out-of-control government. So, you know, I think something happened because, you know, when I was a kid, we had gun clubs in our schools, and people would bring their right 22s to school, and they'd leave them in the car, or they'd bring them in, and, you know, nobody was shooting at people. And something happened.

there's never been a time in human history where individuals with guns were walking into crowds of strangers, crowds of children and starting to butcher them. That's never happened. Suddenly that started happening around Columbine. The question is why it's happening and why is it happening in this country?

And, you know, Switzerland has a comparable level of gun on ownership. Everybody's required to have a gun in their house. And they, the last mass shooting, they had in Switzerland was 21 years ago. The last mass shooting... Culture is sick. We have match shootings every 21 hours. The question is, why is that happening?

And, you know, I think that we need... NIH is, under its own rules, is not allowed to look for the answer to that question. There's a lot of things NIH won't do. NIH won't look for the... They cause the autism epidemic. They won't look for the cause of peanut allergies. They won't look.

look at any of these things. They're frightened that there's a big, a big shot, a big food processor, big ag, big pharma that is going to have, be angry at them with the answer. So they simply won't do it. And one of the things they have not looked at,

they have a rule. Since 1997, they have not been able to look at the cause of gun violence. When Columbine happened, five of the victims of the family has sued, I think Prozac. And, you know, there are SSRIs. I've talked about this.

I'm not saying this is the answer. Saying it's something that we should look at that SSRIs have black box labels and benzos that say known to cause suicidal and homicidal behavior. It says that. Right. Okay. And we're the only country that has this level, 120 million, 240 million doses a year. of these. Correct. And all of a sudden, and after Columbine, that's when it started happening. So I'm not saying there's other things that could be too. Yes, yes, yes. I understand. It could be

video games. It could be social media. There's a lot. It could be a lot of factors. There's a lot of factors, but we should know what it is because one thing we do, we do know, it has nothing to do with a number of guns. Because there hasn't been any legislation, out there that is diminished or increased the number of guns during that period. It's been roughly constant. Oh, if you have a scientific mind, which I do, I'm looking for the variables that change during that period. Right. And that's what the CDC ought to be doing.

And now, you know, because I'm having this conversation with you, I'm going to get ridiculed. I'm going to, you know, that Kennedy said that S has our eyes are calling it, which I've never said. It is reasonable to put that on the table. It should make sense to everybody in the world, which is let's figure out why that's happening and not, you know, and then deal with it. And let's make sure we know what the culprit is. My only thought on that is I don't trust.

Everything's been so politicized that I don't trust any of. That's why you need to vote for me, Glenn. because I know how to dismantle corporate capture in these agencies. Let me ask you two. Let me ask you two quick questions. One, historically, person who has run as the third party, I think Ross Perot did the best in history. He had 19%.

He ran as a... Teddy Roosevelt did better than him. But he still, he's the reason we had Woodrow Wilson. Oh, yeah, but that's... That is nothing to do with the point. All right. So how, so do you believe you can win? Yeah, I believe I can win.

I'm already beating both President Trump and President Biden. Among all Americans under 35. I'm beating them in the battleground states under, among all people under the six battleground states under 45. I'm beating them among independent voters. And independents are now the biggest political demographic. So it's the first election in United States history in which self-identified independence are represent more people than either Democrats or Republicans of 43% of Americans,

self-identify as independents versus 27% for Democrats, 27% for Republicans. My favorability ratings are 10 points ahead. of President Trump or President, a net favorability is 20 points. Yeah. Oh, and you know, we have a, we're living at a time when we have two presidents who are running former presidents who each, if they were the only one running, would be the least popular person to run for a major party in history. They are the two worst. And 80% is, 70 to 80% of Americans say they don't want that contest again.

So I think if there was a time that an independent could run and could run successfully, it would be now. You know, if we have debates, I think that would be a very, very big turning point. But the all, I'll tell you what, the only group that I don't, that is a large group, we're a three-way tie with Hispanic voters, and I've got momentum with me.

The only group where I don't do well is, with baby boomers. And I should do great with baby boomers because they all remember Camelot and the Kennedy years. And I was a big hero to baby boomers, you know, and I was known only as the environmental champion. But they watch baby boomers get their news

from television, from MSN, and from CNN, and from the New York Times in the Washington Post. And if you're living in that ecosystem, I include Fox in that. Well, yeah, but, you know, Fox actually lets me on all the time to do interviews. And, you know, I, and so, but the other MSNBC doesn't, CNN does not. What does that feel like to go from Hero to Zero on that side? I mean, you've been a Democrat.

Your family is, they're the lions of the Democratic Party. And all of a sudden, that party really doesn't like, the party really doesn't like you. and you're even having problems with your own family. How, how, what? I mean, that's a big sacrifice. Yeah, I, I, well, let me just say this about my family. I have a lot of family members who support me and a lot of who are working on the campaign, particularly the younger generation.

But my campaign's being run by Emeraldus Kennedy, who's, you know, my, my daughter-in-law, my cousin Anthony Shriver is running Florida for me. So I have, you know, it's a big family. It's a huge family. But there's a lot of family who are against me as well and are horrified. I have five members of my family who are working for the Biden administration. And, you know, President Biden, long-term friend of my family, he has a bust of my father behind him at the Oval Office.

He talks about how my father inspired him to get into politics. So I understand why they're, you know, upset. But, you know, I come from a family also that we, you know we were raised debating each other or my father would instigate debates every night the same way that his father did and we were expected to debate with passion and commitment and information without hating each other so i love my family i feel love by them they differ with me on that they're going to fight like hell make sure i don't succeed would i like it if they were all on my side yes but you know does it um does it ruin my day no i'm not at all and you

You know, I feel like this, Glenn, that every person who I've admired throughout my entire life, the people who are really, you know, the historical figures, all of them went through periods where they had to, you know, march through the dark night of the soul. They felt alone. And where people betrayed them, people that they, you know, that they felt betrayed it alone during periods. And that was part of their journey and that you have to embrace that. And, you know, I do and I have my wife who is incredible who supports me. My kids absolutely support me and are proud of what I'm doing and they're bright, intelligent and, you know, wonderful counselors to me. And, you know,

it's part of the adventure of life, right? That you're, you know, to have all, of your friends basically drop you at once and you know over an issue of principle and uh and so you know i just feel like this is you know my lot and that i have to i have to embrace it i can't you know i can't ever think of self-pity or vituperation or you know anger at people i just it's their choice I have to walk my path and I have to do it with joy and with, you know, magnanimity and forgiveness. And, you know, so to me, it's all good. It's a pleasure to meet you and talk to you. You too, Glenn.

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