The Glenn Beck Program - Ep 221 | Willie Robertson's Wild Ride from Worm Farms to 'Duck Dynasty' Fame | The Glenn Beck Podcast

Episode Date: June 1, 2024

Willie Robertson, star of "Duck Dynasty," reflects on his journey from Italy to running Duck Commander. In Florence, he gained an appreciation for art and culture, but you'll never believe what his actual college degree was. His entrepreneurial spirit began early with Willie’s Worms. Influenced by his father, Phil, and supported by his wife, Korie, he embraced the idea of a reality show to spread the gospel. Discussing his new book, "Gospeler," Willie emphasizes the importance of active discipleship and connecting with others to spread faith, showcasing a story of hope, faith, and authenticity. In this episode, Willie shares the lessons he learned about business, the impact of family, and the importance of stepping out of comfort zones to make lasting connections. His journey from early entrepreneurial ventures to leading a multimillion-dollar hunting and outdoor business highlights the significance of resilience and vision. He discusses how his family’s authenticity, faith, and humor made "Duck Dynasty" a hit and stresses the need for believers to actively engage and share their faith with others. He also discusses the real-life situations that led to the hit movie “The Blind,” a biopic of patriarch Phil Robertson.   Sponsors: Relief Factor See how Relief Factor can help you get out of pain. The three-week quick start is only $19.95 and comes with Relief Factor’s “feel better or your money back” guarantee. Visit https://www.relieffactor.com or call 1-800-4-RELIEF.   Jase Medical Get your personalized emergency medical kit today, use code BECK at checkout. Visit https://jasemedical.com/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

And now, a Blaze Media podcast. The beard and the bandana are a little more than an accessory, a symbol of the man whose name is synonymous with family and faith and the great outdoors. He is the CEO of Duck Commander. He is the face of one of the most watch reality TV shows of all time. He's one of the biggest shows here on The Blaze. He is a true embodiment of the American spirit. I can't wait to talk to him because his stories from early age,

he not only developed a deep appreciation for the outdoor way of life, but also there's a reason why he's the CEO, and Ducked Honesty and all of it happened. thanks to his father also who hasn't been without serious trials and tribulations of his own he found redemption and they share it all the time but this man's story is more than you know duck calls in hunting gear it's about resilience entrepreneurship like crazy and the power of faith to overcome life's challenges he has captivated audiences all around the world. He is charming. He is friendly. He is fun. I love him. Uh, and somehow or another,

he and his family have survived reality TV. Beyond the cameras and the fame, he is a devoted husband to his wife and a loving father to their six children. He's a bestselling author now, sought after speaker, philanthropist with a heart as big as Louisiana sky, author of a new book called Godspeller. If you stay until the end, you will learn the secret behind the man that took a simple duck call business and turned it into a multi-million dollar enterprise. And you're also going to have a lot of laughs. Today, welcome to the program. Willie Robertson. Biennue at board of Via Rai. Embarked and profite. Embarked and relax.

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And you started talking about Florence, Italy. You're going to Florence Italy. I am. And I love. It is just history there and the art there is amazing. And you're going back. You studied there, right? I lived there.

My wife and I lived there. We did a college program. And I lived there for like four months. Yeah. That's how I'm so culture. No, well, back then, see, we had a little thing called the old bait and switch. So when I married Corey, my hair was really short. No beer.

Yeah. Very preppy. Preppy? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. And then over the years, I just slowly, she got the real package. I looked at my dad and I looked at me. I was like, oh, no, that's what you, he ended up getting that.

You went to Florence, which is. Studied there, yeah. One of the great, and you studied art there? Well, that's where we took. Well, yeah, we had to, that's where we got our credit for art appreciation, music appreciation, foreign languages, we'd take them there. And I don't know that I would have passed any of those classes had I not been there.

Yeah, yeah. Because you had to. You have to go order your own coffee. You have to go. And so I had to learn. You go in on art. You know, I was like, there's the fake statue in the square of the David.

Right. And you're like, I have seen it. I've seen it a million times. You know, somebody I know in the family probably has. one, you know, sitting on a shelf. And then you walk in and see the real David. Yeah. And it is.

Oh, it's completely. I don't even know how to describe what the difference is. It's, yeah, there's, I mean, there's a lot of art there. Yeah. And sadly, when I was there, was so sick of art. Because we've been doing it all, like, for college, like, all the way from Amsterdam to Paris. Like, we've been, and I didn't have the, which is ironic, the class.

was called art appreciation and I didn't have the art appreciation like I would now. So what did you get your degree in? Okay. You got to stay with this one because it's not going to make a lot of sense, but I'll explain it. I have a non-certified to teach PE degree. You could teach PE. No, I can't teach PE. No, you can't because you're not certified.

I spent like six years getting a degree that every time I just tell me the name of it, they start laughing. Here's the deal. I can't teach, I can't legally teach P.E., which is, PE is essentially rolling some balls out of a gym going, all right, kids, get after it. I can't teach that. Wait, but you, and that's a lot. I spent, what was that degree supposed to give you?

Okay. Okay. Okay, so here's, here's that we experimented. If you wanted, if you wanted to learn about, like, so you weren't going to be a teacher, but let's say you were going to run a health club. So you needed to know some business. So we, instead of the education classes, we took business classes. So it was like a business side of physical education.

Okay. And I did ask the school I went to. I said, do y'all still have that degree? And he said, no, no, that one's been gone. He was like, no, that's a shit. That was created for you and all the football players who needed to really get through school. You though are, like you are a fascinating guy when it comes to business. You were, tell the story about you selling candy on the bus in elementary school.

Fifth grade, yeah. Yeah. Big year, fifth grade. Big year. Big year. I don't even remember my fifth grade. Fifth grade, changed my life. Fifth grade was the reason, I mean, 100% why I got the job as CEO of Documentar because of fifth grade.

When my dad, my dad said, I said, Dad, I think I can turn this company around. I think I can take us to the next level. He goes, yeah, in fifth grade, you did shut that concession. He said, like, he referenced, hey, he didn't read a resume. He didn't ask about the degree that I have. Well, that would have convinced him. No, we had a guy give, so a guy came down.

So where we live is like the end of, dad still lives there. It's a dead end road. And people would come down there and look for duck calls, and they would, you know, and we'd just, they would just sell them to them right there. So we had this dude come down, he wanted a duck call. They're chit-chatting, and he said he was a candy distributor. And I just hadn't to be standing out there. You're how old?

I'm in fifth grade. That's what eight? Ten. I have no idea. And I'm just standing there. And so he starts explaining what he did. He said, I'm the distributor of candy. And I didn't understand how distribution weren't.

And he was like, you know, like when you go in a gas station, you buy this candy, well, I'm the one that sells it to them. And then they sell it to you. They're the retailer. And I was like, oh, that's a. That's brilliant. And then he handed, he had a box of Hubble bubble bubble gum. And he just handed it to Phil, and I'm standing right there, right place, right time.

And Phil just leans over and said, he'd go. And he said, that's for the boys, which I'm like, no, this were me. So I took that gum and I went to, I just laid there. I just remember I sit on the bed and I was just like, God, do I just eat, you know, like just all of it? Like it was just back to back to back to back, you know. because we were so poor, we didn't have any money, and I was like, and I thought, no, I'm going to sell this. I'm going to sell this gum. I'm going to be the retailer.

And I've got this. I got no money in it, so this will be my, you know, my start. Yeah, my seat money. So I get on the bus, man, start selling. And they're, you don't talk about a hot market. I mean, because the school didn't sell gum. You're 10. They didn't sell gum.

And I'm like, that's a miss. And so I sell all that out. Then I go to mom, and I said, Mom, I need more candy. and I had this cash, you know, and so she took me to like what they called cash and carry, where you could buy a box, which I, Costco. Yeah, yeah. So I go up there and I buy me, you know, some boxes of candy. So I just looked at what the concession stand had, and I just ordered the opposite,

because their selection was crappy anyway. So I just start shoving all this. I got a big coat on. I'm wearing this stuff. So in my locker, I put shelving in all my candies, my gum and stuff. Yeah, I had lock on it. So I would just go and I'm dealing. I was like a drug dealer, but it was candy.

Because here's the flaws of the concession stand. The selection was crappy. They didn't open until 245. So it was the last 15 minutes of school is when you could buy. By 245, I've got everybody's money in the whole school. They're out. And they're chewing gum. How much do you remember?

How much you made? Oh, hundreds of, I mean, hundreds and hundreds of dollars, man. I was like, mom was like bummer. money off of it, you know. Roll of cash in like a rubber band. Then they started like popping up like competitors. The yawned boys up the road started their little can.

I'm like, ah, this is getting out of control, you know. And so everybody, you know, and then the principal called me in his office and shuts me down. Why? Well, he said, because he said he met with a concession stand. And he said their sales were down. I mean, that's literally what he was.

he told me. I'm sitting there as a fifth grader and I'm like, well, I can tell you why. You know, like they need a better. And he goes, I'm bad and you can't sell anything. I always say it was my first running with the government. Yeah, you ain't kidding. He shut me down.

So what did you do? I mean, you obviously knew you were an entrepreneur. Well, I knew that, well, I had a worm farm. Probably the year before. So in fourth grade, I was a worm farmer. And so I had, that's probably where I knew, like, that's where I really built a business, like, from the ground up. Fourth grade.

So I had this boat. So dad had this old boat. It was kind of sunk in a little bit in the creek because dad was fishing pretty much. Like, Duck Commander was small, but mostly we got our money from fishing, commercial fishing and nets. And so I had this, he had this boat. And I said, Dad, can I have that, can I use that boat? It doesn't work for a boat anymore. And he said, yeah, so I drug that thing.

I don't know, because we had no equipment. I still don't know how I got that thing on these saw horses. Because we had no tractor. We didn't have, we had nothing. But I put this boat up on two saw horses, and dad said, worms love manure. So old man Lee, about a mile up the road, had all these cows. And so I took a wheelbarrow, walked one mile,

oh my gosh. You know, barrel by barrel, and filled this thing with cow manure and dirt. and then I just went out and found all the worms that I could. So I knew all the spots where the worms were. You went out and found all the worms. Yeah, they're free. I mean, I know. I got to find the right, so it's the right moisture content with the leave content.

There were other ways. Like you could take two sticks and like you could kind of agitate them up. But I knew where to find them. I was finding earthworms last week. Like, I still do it. It's fun. You still sell them? No, I don't sell them now, but I have a bucket at home.

And now I'm having a, to text people like, make sure you water my worms. And so I had all these worms in there. And I put, Dad said they like cornmeal. So I spread a little cornmeal. Had them covered up. I'd water them every day. And then we lived on a boat dock.

And so we lived right at the, where the creek comes off the river. And so Granny, Granny had the big business. She had the boat dock. So she had put the landing in. And she had a mailbox and said a dollar for a deal. And they'd stick a dollar in there. And I could take two sticks. I would fish some of a dollar.

I would. but then I set up on her boat dock and it said Willie's worms and then I would I'd count them all out and I put them in old can. So all the cans like was we saved every can that would spit most of them. But it was like all the corn cans and all that side cans and I'd have like we'd count them out and so I'd sell the fishermen and the worms. You had to get up at like daylight. So that was my first business. But that was, you know, it was only Saturday. It was hard work.

There were nickel apiece. And I knew I was destined for something bigger than this. And then the candy thing happened, and I'm like, oh, yeah. Oh, my God, yeah, yeah. So where did that, was that, was that, you think that started because of necessity or because that's who you are? I think it was necessity, creativity, just a willing to work. I wasn't.

That's a big one now. Yeah. Oh, yeah. No TV. Now, we had a TV with three channels, and they were only watched. whatever dad watched. We could watch Dukza Hazard. But you had to work.

We had to fold boxes while we did it so we couldn't. But we did all the jobs of Duck Commander. Like, we dipped all the calls. I mean, there was no employees. It was when it first started, it was us, you know. Answer the phone, customer service. I'd pick up the phone. It took me a decade to stop saying Duck Commander when I answered my phone.

And Duck Commander, how can I help you? And then we're like 10. Like, we're writing down orders, you know. And we would ship them. Mom would ship them out. we'd put the orders up and so but then we would sell fish so I probably learned more about selling from selling well I sold the gum but that was a great but when you can sell fish like they weren't cleaned you know I'm saying yeah so we'd go the fish market and they would take

them at the fish market didn't take them we'd go to the street corner fresh fish like super fresh like you got to clean them fresh so buffalo catfish but the catfish usually the catfish was the that was the king so they got you got like 70 cents a pound for those the buffalo flow was like 30 cents a pound. Then you how the trashy fish, you know, the goo and the guard. We'd try to sell them all, man. But you had to, but I would watch that. Dad was such a good salesman.

Like, Dad could sell anything. He was just a, you know, I think now people see him because he's gotten older. And, you know, he's, but back in the day, man, that dude could, he could sell, man. He was, like, we would, he had these, so we'd catch German carp where they're yellow and they taste horrible. And dad's, I remember dad was all these guys. He goes, you know what that fish is? that's a golden buffalo.

He just changed the name of it. And that sounds way better. Like German carp. Ain't nobody want to eat a German carp, golden buffalo? Hmm, I'll try. So I had a knack for it. But you know, Glenn, I was always like, I'm out of here, man.

I'm getting out of here. I'm never going to work for this business. And then it was so crucial who I'm married. So I married Corey. Her family were big, they were big business people. They had bought, like, chains of restaurant, I mean, chains of retail stores. And so it was just a, it was just a perfect combination, man, because they taught me about. She understood it, too.

Mm-hmm. Really smart. So she's smart. Her degree is not. To not be able to teach PE. She actually has an art education degree, which is hilarious that she got that degree. But Corey's really smart. And so, yeah, you just had a great.

great combination, man. She's the, she's more of the detail. Like, she reads, like, the papers. And so I went to college, so here's what's even, even what's even more stupid. And Corey's like, Willie, for some reason, you got this done degree, but you feel like you're so smart because you, like, I feel like I pulled one up. I was like, how about that? Like, how smart am I? No, by the nature of your degree is saying you're not, but I feel like I'm like, I pulled something off. You know what? I tell you, degrees, I think, are worth a. I mean, according to what you're getting it in, I guess. I mean, if you're going to be a doctor.

Well, yeah. I mean, if you're like. So Corey and I went to college at the same time, which was, that was clutch. I mean, you had, we did all this. So she would take all the notes and like, it was very helpful. You know, because she would do all the details. But then as our jobs ended up, everything we've done in life, it's been the same way because we've worked together. But I learned a lot from her family.

a lot from just about general business and how to do stuff. And yeah, that's where it kind of, but when I, true story, when I went to dad at 30, I said, dad, I think, because I went away and then I worked for her family. And then I came back to dad. And I said, dad, I think I can, I think I got what it takes, you know, because I saw something. I was like, something's here. I could see how people reacted to feel. And I just, I knew.

And he had done all the heavy lifting. But they were kind of tired and were like, I think we saw it all the duck calls. We're going to ever sell. And, and I came in. and telling that, and he said, you did shut that concessant down in fifth grade. I said, I did. And he goes, this is Phil and his contract.

Phil goes, you're a man. I said, okay, I'm in charge. And that's how I got to tell you. That's how I got in charge. I remember at the height of it, I was driving across the country. And every truck stop, every 7-Eleven, everything had tons of Duck Dynasty merchandise,

merchandise. I just, I like the fifth place I stopped for gas, I just thought, who is running this? This is genius. And that's all you. No, not me. I mean, it was, there was a lot of

you were the CEO. Well, yeah, but I mean, I was you know, the TV show definitely helped, you know. Oh, no, no. I know that. But I mean, the merchandising. Well, it was both. It was Duck Dynasty and And it was both of us.

So I didn't own Duck Dynasty. That's A&E's Mark. And so our mark is Duck Commander, which was even more challenging selling against yourself in the market. Wow. Because they had the rights to my face, just like I did. They had the rights to feels, you know, our likenesses of things we said. And so, but yeah, but I mean, I played my part. But even with the company, I played a part.

I mean, it wasn't, you know. I think I've made more. I've done more stupid stuff that I have smart stuff, but if you get one that works. Only takes one. But see, when I went into Dad, so when I took the company over, and so Dad's like, all right, you know, you're the guy. You're taking over. And I said, all right.

And so I just had some things happen right. You know, I got somebody to pay us to use their products, like an endorsement. We didn't have that. And so that was key. And so I had like camouflage company and then a shell company. And with dad's like, this cat's on fire. I'm like, hey, I just made this money to the bottom line. And you get free stuff.

So it was like, they were like, this is cool. And so we started moving towards this, you know, because dad had done, nobody really knew who Phil was. Like he was this mysterious bearded dude at the end of the river. And they knew he was kind of like a preacher, but he just, he didn't go network at the show, the hunting shows. And so I was able to get in there. do more of that.

And then television was interesting because so Corey, my wife, says she watched reality TV. And she's like, Willie, y'all should have a reality TV show. And I'm like, I don't think. I said, Corey, we're just normal people. And Corey said, Willie, y'all ain't normal. I said, you think she was like, I'm telling you. I think y'all could do a, you know. She was like, your family's just so.

Did you ever, were you ever concerned that that would destroy? your family? Because you those family really those family. People warned like a lot of Christians told us like oh you can't do this you're going to destroy your family but I was like if not us then who like who

who's going to have the slot if we're not in it you know I mean I was looking at people who do TV and I said it seemed like there's not a lot of bright lights on the TV you know and I said maybe we should but no I mean I felt firm in our faith and who we were and you know like and you know I think you you get a

chance and I felt like maybe God led us to this and said hey here's your opportunity and here's something to do so the movie the blind you know it's one thing because I'm a I was a raging alcoholic and

who did I need redemption but it's one thing to talk about it it's another to see it acted out on the screen it is how was that how did that impact you guys it was difficult on every level um we made the movie and i say we uh cori and i and my cousin uh zach dasher my first cousin who um his mom is aunt jan she's the one who got the preacher to go talk to phil so he was making it you know as just as a crucial

was in his mom's honor, you know, she passed away. And sadly, she didn't even get to see the movie. But we made the movie. It was our first movie to make. So we had these meetings and we were like, we started a production company after Duck Dynasty. Because we knew, we said, man, we got to, there needs to be more shows, you know, positive. Because we heard the people going, we want more TV and movies like this. And so didn't necessarily, I mean, we knew TV.

I knew how to make that. But film is completely different. Yeah. And so we jumped in and we held all these ideas. and one of the ideas was actually Phil and Kay's story, you know. And I was like, well, daggone, do we want to start out with more of our family?

Because the idea was going to be like, we need to tell other people's stories, not just ours. But it was just so, such an incredible story. And so we go to Phil, we say, he actually said the same thing to me with the TV show. I went to Dad. So when Corey said, hey, y'all should do a TV show.

And then somebody wanted to do once, I went to dad. And I said, Dad, they wants to do a TV show. Phil's like, wow, that'll never work. and I said, well, it could help business. It could help us get the gospel to more people. He looks up. And then again, Phil gives me the, hey, if it'll get the gospel out.

I tell you, that is why. And the movie was the same way. That is, that was what attracted me. I heard people talk about you guys. He said, there's this show, and they pray at the end. They sit at the table and they pray in the end. Yeah. That's what attracted me.

Yeah. You know, and I don't know how. I don't know how you pulled that. off with, you know, television, A&E and all of that stuff. It wasn't as bad as what you'd think. Really? Like it was like the idea we just, because we were sitting with the production company, and you're right.

Now these people were obviously Christians. I mean, some may be. I don't know, but not overtly. But we just thought it'd be a good idea. And they were like, yeah, so it wasn't as combative as what you may think. They, I guess is what people may would think it is. they did, they would edit out in Jesus name, which, and they

stopped doing that. They finally quit doing it. They felt so mad. So they would do that. You know, so that kind of bothered us. But yeah, they, you know, I mean, once it started working, a lot of people got out of the way and okay, that's what they, but I think

they always struggle with what made it work. You know, like what exactly made that work? So I guess, for instance, they would put shows behind it. but they were, you know, I won't say anti-faith, but definitely, you know, superworldly. And they wouldn't worry. They would flop, you know.

They were like, your viewer would literally turn the channel because they knew, like, bang, go to another one. So, yeah, they struggle with knowing, I think, especially I think the faith part and the prayer part, you know, how much that played into it. And, but it wasn't a religious show, you know. Phil always wanted it more religious. Phil was like, Willie, we need more preaching on. here. I said, dad, there's another Robertson family that has a TV show that preaches. That's the 700 club. Let them, like,

if they want to know more, let them come. But let's just laugh. Like, we, I think we have a gift and a talent of being able to do television like this because, I mean, to be honest, no one had ever done a show quite like that because Doug Nognecy was a sitcom.

It wasn't a reality. It was more, it was a sitcom. But we weren't actors, we were real people, but it played. So, we, it was filmed like a sitcom. Like I would walk in the door, walk in the duck car room. That's what Seinfeld does.

Right. So you would enter the rent. So we filmed it just like a sitcom. And so, but it was hard to, you know, it was hard to keep doing that because our lives started changing.

Like when you're driving around seeing us and all the truck stops and everything. Like, it was just weird that we didn't know. Because we don't, they wanted to, it was like we were in a bubble. Right.

But it was strange like, like we'd be shooting a thing at the grocery store. and it would be like A big deal I've run out of gas And like How do what do I do?

But I'm like I could see myself on People magazine It's just kind of weird You know Yeah yeah To stay what was real What was kind of I call it guided reality

Because it was like It's real I mean And so I think other people Doing reality shows Would probably have a hard time Shooting it like that And so

But it worked You know It's the combination Worked And So what was You just had some real. What was, if you can boil it down in a sentence, what was the secret of the show?

Why did it work? I think it was a combination of authenticity, faith, and funny. That's a hard combination. That's a hard. Especially funny. Funny's hard, man. Funnors really hard. And the way they edited was really funny.

the guys out there in LA that edited that stuff they did these pauses and this these long trying to you know I'm more kind of uncomfortable and then Sy's super funny

and especially Siah edited it's funny I mean because you could just like but Cy Uncle Siah like you could plug in anything you wanted into that man and now this is a guy

who spent 25 years in the military in the Army graduated from high school only worked at a golf course and then that ends up hiring him to build reeds for us, you know. He's retired. Life's over, you know. He's 63 years old, I think, when the show started. And then this guy,

and then the first thing I wanted to do, you just talking about how smart I was at business. The first thing I wanted to do was Fire Si. So I come in, I'm the new CEO. I'm looking at our, here's our payroll expense. We have four employees. One of them lays on the couch every day, sleeps, farts, belches. And I'm like, Dad,

we need to let your brother go. You know, we just need to trim it up. Right. And he wouldn't let me fire him. And I was like, my wife won't let me fire my son either. And he does the same thing.

Well, so here's it. So dad said, no. So then Doug Dynasty comes along. Si is gold. I mean, just TV gold.

Yeah. And I'm thinking, I almost fired him. And so here's the last. for that. Sometimes you may have a diamond in your company. You've got them in the wrong spot. Yeah, you got them. So, Sa, when he came there, but when we

film, man, when we filmed that show, and these are long days, you know, because, I mean, it was long. This stuff took along, because it was more like a TV show, like a long TV show. But, like, most of the stuff, Si, I would say about me, like being fat and all that, most of it was my,

like I would tell you, like, like, Sa say, and I would just come with these zingers. Right. And, and then the hardest part was just not to laugh at him the whole time because it was so funny you know like we were filming this part we were in Nashville film the thing we were at the studio and saw was uh he's gonna sing this song so I got with him in the Brassett side when you when you start singing the song just start talking like talk to one of your poker hands and act like that's a song you know and so I's like all right so we go there side goes so I was we're playing poker and a delta card and I'm

looking at a, hey, Jack. And then, so I'm sitting there. So I'm straight face and saying, I'm going, Sight, you're just talking about a, you're talking about a hand. You're not even singing a song. He's not, hey, Jack, I'm singing a song. And so the hardest part was to keep it straight while he, and let him just do his thing.

And he could, he was brilliant, man, the way he could do that. With a full-time Army guy who worked at, you know, and who would have known he was going to have this new lease on life and just, he was awesome it was unbelievable but she just had such a combination of like Phil being this like like I think that's what people saw themselves like they weren't like us but it was like ah see that's that's that's like my dad you know that's like my grandpa you know he is just the same way like says stuff that's you know sometimes totally inappropriate I know I'm like oh I just hit 60 and I decided I'm going to say whatever you're getting there right yeah you're getting there that's

way Phil is it's like well can you get your dad and not say that. I'm like, no, that's pretty much the package. Whatever you love about him, he's going to say something. Like, no matter what, like, and here's the deal. I can't understand this about Phil. Phil lives at the end of a dead end street in the, I mean, street road. It used to be, it was dirt up until like, until the ducked ice they have, but I think they finally paved the road. He's down there. He has no cell phone. He's never on the cell phone. Good for him. He has no computer.

Wow. He has a landline that I think they just got back because it got destroyed by something. So he didn't have a landline. And for some reason, Phil can get his message out all over the world. And I'm like, how does, like, I'll hear about somebody like, how does Phil Robertson keep getting these messages out? He has no cell phone computer and lives on Denny's tree. And next thing I know, I'm reading something in the, you know, online I'm going, oh, boy, what Phil's saying now? Yeah, I just, you never know what's going to.

but it's you know I think he's uh he's earned it and that's he says what he is and he's but he's authentic you know he reminds me a little bit of Billy Graham in the way um I became friends with Billy Graham the last five years of his life and uh great guy and and he told me uh you know he we were talking about him being on Carson and everything else and he said it made him all uncomfortable but the first thing I talked about was Jesus Christ. He said, because that may be the only question I get. So no matter what they ask,

it's about Jesus Christ. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah. Yeah, I got to meet him as well right before he passed. It was amazing. I was so honored. In fact, when I met him and his daughter had set it up, and so they're right there in his little house, you know, in North Carolina. And she says,

Daddy, this guy's from Doug Dynasty. He came all the way from Louisiana see you. and Bill Graham looks up, he goes, came to see me, why would you see me? I'm a nobody. And I thought, wow, that's the right attitude.

Yeah. That's the right attitude. He was really, he was the real deal. Yeah. He was absolutely the real deal. Fascinating what he did. And so, but he, and he even said like it's, like it's going to change. I think the way to get the message of Jesus out would change.

He even talked about the workplace. And so, yeah, I think we all play our parts on getting this out. but Doug Dynasty was a way, which is what I told Phil. So it's a way to get the gospel out. And you don't have to read Bible scriptures. You can do it in a fun way, bring people the table.

But even just giving people just a form of entertainment, you know, because people, just that you can laugh at, you can watch together, you don't have to worry about it. It's really funny. I spoke the other night

at us recently had a place and they had a house for me and someone's house like let me stand. And there's a Duck Dynasty, channel where you can apparently just watch it all the time. And they had that on when I got there

and they thought it was so funny. You know? So I walk in there and I'm at this house and I can hear my, I walk in, I hear myself talking. I'm like, what, nor? And so I sit there and I'm speaking like the next morning and it's probably 11 o'clock at night. I got sucked into the Duck Dynasty vortex. I'm like five episodes.

I'm like, I've got to go to bed. And I got up at this speech and I said, guys, let me tell you what. I sat up and watched that Doug Dynasty for five episodes. So everybody was laughing. And I said, you know what I learned about that show? It's a really good show. It's a funny show.

I haven't watched it in so long. But it was funny and just, you know, man, I've talked to more people who were just like, my mom passed away. I know. We watched that together. I mean, I hear it almost every week. It's like, it's what kept. Yeah, it's just what I was a big fan and we would watch it together and he's passed away.

And it's, I mean, it's. Like he was in the hospital and we would, he wanted to watch that duck nasty. Yeah. I get, because I get. flag whenever the name pops up and so interesting. I get a lot of obituaries like that's in some paper like in Richmond, Virginia

and they'll say you know Betsy Connor she loved her need of work. Watching duck down like he showed up in an obituaries so pretty pretty cool stuff. Look

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go scriptures, full-on scriptures. And this is live it, share it, bring it into the culture. This is kind of like the anti, it's the, I hate to say this, but you know, like the, what's his name,

Kendi, that, you know, you have to be anti-racist. You can't just not be racist. You have to be anti-racist. And all of that woke crap. And this feels like the antidote. Wow. It's, you didn't feel that way? You still know that, well, maybe that's the secret. Maybe that's, you know, maybe that's the becoming all things to all men to try to snatch some from the fire. It was just, like, I still think the scriptures are there. Well, I tell you this, I actually printed out for Phil for it even came in book form because I wanted him to read it and

Phil read it and I didn't know what he was going to say. Phil said that's the best explanation of how the share of the gospel I've ever read my life and I was like wow and this is so knowing Phil this is so funny to me he goes and you were so nice about it which is which I knew that's that's what he struggles so because you'll get into that light yeah and I was like we don't have to you know you don't have to necessarily do that and so yeah I I think people, they have a hard time talking about it. And so I taught this class on it.

It was right after COVID. But it wasn't PE. No, it wasn't PE. No, it was about, I was actually teaching people how to share their faith. And because COVID had happened. And so I wasn't speaking. And these guys of church asked me about sharing your faith. And they said, can you teach a class?

I'll say, yeah, I'll teach one. So I started gathering other stuff where I was talking to people like, what holds you back, you know? It was almost the same answers. It was like, I don't know the Bible well enough. I don't know where to start. And they had the desire. They were just like, and no one's ever taught me how to do, like, how do you do this? I thought we were supposed to keep it to ourselves.

We do this a lot of stuff to disqualify ourselves from even talking about it, you know. And what a beautiful. And I don't want to feel like the weirdo that's. Yeah, you don't want to be weird. And that's what I was like, you know, I mean, I may be the weirdo. And a lot of people are like when they come to the Lord, no one ever tells them that that's part of the deal. Like, hey, you need to go share this.

So if you think about it in the Bible, like when Jesus calls Peter, he just says, follow me and I'll make you pictures of men, you know, and he follows him. So obviously he knew that was going to be part of the deal. And so what I wanted to try to do as I was writing was like, how can I break down these things and make the argument? One, should we do this? And so from the Great Commission, so like Jesus was living his life, once he died, he came back from the dead. I was really interested, what happened then?

What were they talking about then? Jesus was here for a little while, and he says in the Great Commission, go make disciples of all nations, baptize people, teach people, three things, which is a mission. That's a mission. Well, a lot of people I knew they're nowhere near those three things. They're not doing any of those. So the question is, was that just for them? Or is that for us today? Well, then I think we think like the people in the Bible, like those fishermen,

those people he was talking to were like some kind of super duper. We think them as like religious, like the highest you could get. When Acts chapter four, those two of those same guys was talking and said their peers, here's how they saw them as regular, unschooled, ordinary men. So they didn't. more of a non-certified to teach me. That's the way they saw them, right? Right.

It wasn't like they were like some, you know, knew all this. So, and he's telling these guys and he goes, this is the mission. And then we see them start living that out. So all of, especially the Book of Acts, I wanted to see what these conversations are like. Because we really don't have that. We have conversations with Jesus and the Gospels. We have the Book of Acts. Then we have letters.

So these are letters to churches with problems. And so we can gather that. But I wanted to see that like, what's that like conversation look like? And Acts chapter two is one of the first ones. You get that. And then they just start going through. And I want to know, what did they say to people? What was the reaction?

What were the questions they asked? And so, and then I want to put that into a modern day and say, okay, what would this look like to have these conversations? And what would it, what do you ask people? Where do you start? Where do you start? Where would you start with someone? John chapter four is a great when Jesus is talking to a woman at a well. She's from a different area.

He probably shouldn't be talking to her. I know that because when his dude showed up and they were like, what are you doing talking to her? But just by talking to her, he showed that he cared about her. The big question he asked her is like, well, how do I start this thing? Jesus said, can I get her drink of water? That's where it started. Yeah.

So that's where it can't start. It ended with the whole village, her whole village, knowing Jesus. They all came down because she went and said, y'all got to go meet this guy, man. He got her story, which is usually how I do it. I just ask people their story. Most people love telling you their story, you know. So I'm like, hey, you got a relationship with Jesus or wherever that, we're just art, you know. Well, seven years old.

Wow. How's it been since then? And then we start going through the story. He goes through her story. Hey, go get your husband. I don't have a husband. But he pushed in. He pushed in and said, oh, is that true?

And I asked myself, why did he push in? Why would he want to know more? Because it's kind of embarrassing because I think, Jesus knew, if you don't deal with this story, you're never going to understand. You're never going to get past it. And so for a lot of us, we have to get past this thing of where we're at. That'll hold us back from telling someone else because we're like, oh, I'm so screwed up. I'm the last person to be talking to anybody else. And that's why, even in this book, I want to tell, hey, this is my story. This is where it's at. This is what can happen.

I really want to connect you to the Bible. I don't want to just tell you my opinion. I just want to connect you to that. Like, you can read it. You can decide if I never, see you again, you've got the New Testament, you maybe know some start and pass and go. I'm not the judge. I don't know who you are. I don't know if you're going to heaven. I have no idea. That's you between me. Even if I do know you. God. I will tell you, I will show you some scriptures, though, that say, this is where they started. This is what they said. Peter said in Acts 2, he says, repent and be baptized. I can explain those two terms to you. I can explain what he meant, you know,

um, not from other sections of the Bible. Because a lot of people, I feel like they, you know, they raise a hand somewhere and they're like, hey, I'm in,

you know, but they don't know. They walk out of the building. They're like, what does this happen? I don't know. I know. And then we're,

you know, and they don't know their mission. They think the mission is, you know how many people are running to? They think the mission in life as a believer is to try to go to church as much as they can and try to be a good person. That's not the mission.

That's not, that was never, I never read that. I never read that. read, they don't even talk about going to church. I don't even know what going to church means anyway. Like, it's a, we are the church. Yeah, church is not a building.

What are we going? Because if I feel like I'm going, then I'll leave it, right? Well, then I may act one way there and I may act a different. I don't even like the terminology. I always think of church is, in my mind, it's like a hospital or a clinic that I have to go to once a week because I'm just beaten down by the world. Yeah. And it recharges me. Yeah.

There you go. It's just a, yeah. It's like a fellowship, right? It's just like where you get, but it's not the end. It's just one. It's supposed to charge you for the. We can't. It can charge.

It can be, yeah, there's a lot of, but the church moves around. The church is happening everywhere, you know, all over the globe. Yeah.

The church has moved. The church has happened on Tuesdays and Wednesdays and Fridays. This book is for people. This book is actually not necessarily for Sunday morning. This book is for like, Saturday morning and then the deer stand and the floor. Friday night at the football game for Thursday morning at work. Right.

You know, when your friend comes in, they're bawling crying, they're going, oh, what's the problem? I've got, you know, my uncle's just got hit by a car, and now you may want to know some answers to have to share with them, you know. The Bible says, always be prepared to give an answer for the hope that you have. Always be prepared, you know. So there's a certain amount of preparation that we make to be able to talk to people. Because if I don't know a lot about something, I'm not going to talk.

talk about you know if you start talking about mountain biking i'm like i don't know which i have no idea i can't even talk about that or uh but i when i get into people's stories in their lives i start becoming i think we we we're we're ambassadors for jesus right we're ambassadors so we're representing him we're on this earth so then we can become maybe like the the counselor you know so sometimes when i'm talking to people i feel like a counselor you know i'm trying to walk them through you know uh sometimes maybe like a great physician, like you're like a physician where you're like, okay, let's talk about, I mean, at the end of the day, the physician just goes, I know a lot about this, but here's the diagnosis.

Here's what we're going to try to do. Do you want to do it or not? Yep. You know, I can give you the medical terms. Now, one year after that, you'll know more about that, whatever, you know, you'll know more about it than anybody because that's what you got. You're going to read other people's stories. You're going to watch videos.

You're going to, you know, I feel like that's kind of like Christianity. at the beginning, you may not know a lot, but you're like, I know what I've been doing ain't working. And so we're going to try something different, yeah, which is where Phil was. And that's where I start with the book, which is Phil story. And when I was so blown away by Phil's like, it really hit me glint. Even in making the movie and watching the movie that was even hard to watch, really hard to keep less than rated R because his life was not, you know, his life was

like that. But I thought, wait, can we stop on, it was hard to watch it. Because I asked you that before. Is it, were you reliving it? Was it, I mean, I can't imagine Phil watching it. I think it was hard for, really hard for him. I bet it was. We watched it together.

And then, you know, the movies got in there like, hey, we've got another one set up. Phil said, I've seen it. I'm good. One's enough. Yeah. Because it's so against everything in life. Like, think about Christianity. your past is behind you.

We're looking for it. But I even think, not even Christianity, and generally in life, like we can't dwell on the path. You gotta move forward. Yeah, it's gone. Like, you know, think that's a great thing,

unless they make a movie about it. Where we just live in it, you know, we just live there now in the worst part of your life. We're going to make a whole movie that looks really realistic and you just got to remember that.

So, man, you're ripping off scars there that were just rough. So it was hard for him. But again, He said, if it helps people see, then I'm willing to, y'all can put it up on them. I think. But that's got to be hard. He was so embarrassed.

He was like, because the person he was so mean to was my mom, you know, and us. And like, it was just like, yeah. So it was just, it was hard to, yeah, I cried every time I watched it. And, you know, at different parts, too, it was like, it was weird. By the end, I was crying at like when he came up with the duck call. I was like, because I thought, wow, that was such a, you know, had that not happen. So just very hard. And then to my other point, I was saying, it was like, what if that hadn't happened?

What if Phil doesn't come to the Lord? Right. My whole life is completely different. Yeah. We're not talking. Right. I'm not here. Right.

I don't, there's no Duck Commander. There's no Do you think you would have found the Lord without his redemption, the way you have? Well, I guess I would say this. it would be impossible for me to know, but I would say probably not because I felt like a lot of people, let's say most people don't. So just by the numbers,

you know, because how many people coming out of broken homes coming out of trauma and all this stuff, dad was going to go to jail, I mean, for sure. He was wanted by the law. I mean, what the numbers are, people that come out of there who have great

successful Christian life. slim, right? I mean, probably not. So I would probably say no. I always wrestle with, you know, there's no waste with God. You know, you're in his

carpenter shop, there's no sawdust on the floor. He uses all of it. Yeah. All the wrong cuts. He is like, oh, no, no, that works. And it's more beautiful. Yeah. And I don't know if

my relationship with him would be as deep as it is if I hadn't so desperately needed him. You know what I mean? And it wasn't like, hey, please, you know, heal or please. I was done. I was done as a human being. Right. And when you're truly broken, I kind of feel bad for people who haven't been truly, truly broken.

Because I just have this different. it's a corner high yeah it's gone right but you can I'm not that anymore but you can still have that like that's so interesting you say that because I always thought like what feels like my story's not as cool as feels you know like right right right took it to the end and then he's like right oh this almost like but you have changed because you witnessed it there that's what I was saying you don't have to be right broken right because I think we're like uh But because you may not come back. Right.

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if mom doesn't forgive him, Phil could have said, okay, I'm ready. And mom said, double middle fingers and I'm going, I'm out. Like,

I'm sick of the way you. And so, man, it was so crucial. Like, the movie was, it was just so much mom started. Like,

how she, forgave and stuck with this guy. I saw some vision of something in the future. But I think you can, I don't know, I think about, you know, probably the workers and the wages. You know, I think when you were saying that, it was like, you don't have to, you know, but there may be something in your life where you find, it may be something else that you pull from where you're saying the brokenness, but it's either pull from appreciation or pull from something else that just, because you can have a great relationship with not screwing up your own life.

No, I know, and I know a lot of people who are like that. Yeah. I mean, it's like, you know, hey, my wife and I, we, you know, we both had affairs on each other. Now we're just closed. You don't have to do that. Yeah. Yeah, no. I know.

I struggled with this with my kids because, you know, I wanted them to know my story, but I'm like, but don't do that. Yeah, right. It's not, find God. Yeah, don't. Yeah, don't do the things that, yeah. And so. So when I, when I think of, and again, this goes. back to the book.

I think Mars Hill is is at least it was for me so impactful. If you understand he didn't come to Mars Hill and say as it's written

you know you're too religious. He came and said you're so religious. He said I know your poetry. I know. know he got to know them and love them in their own way before he started talking. He found the way in, but it wasn't scheming.

And sometimes I think people don't share the gospel or maybe more likely, at least I've seen. They share the gospel and it's like, I want to help him get redeemed and I want him. to get baptized and if he's not going to, I'm not really his friend. You know what I mean? Yeah. Have you, Oh yeah. Yeah.

Probably been guilty of it. Right. And it's in my past, you know, I've probably been guilty of that where it's like, because I'm so like, because I want to tell that story. And I want to tell that story. And I want to say like, oh, this person here. And like, sometimes there's people I work with all the time. I'm just like, ah, sometimes these, these conversations are 20 minutes.

Sometimes they're two days. Sometimes they're two hours. Sometimes they're 20 years. there's people I've been sharing with that long. I'm still here. I'm still here. I'm still texting. I'm still talking.

I'm still being kind and friendly to people. And I'm still coming at maybe a different way. Like the apostle Paul said he was praying. Or he said, pray for me that the mystery of the gospel can come out of my mouth more clearly. What is he? What is that? Pray that the mystery. Nobody knew the gospel better than Paul.

So how did, how is it not coming out? because I think it's more like art and less like science. So science is like, Glenn, here's a deal. But I can tell Glenn that, Glenn can say, I desperately need you. I can tell Johnny that, and he can say the complete opposite thing. So it's like, hmm, there's story in my book about Bill. And Bill, I kept, I kept wanting to preach the gospel of this guy. And he would say the same thing every day.

He who had not sin cast the first time, every time I brought it up. And I'm like, yeah, God, man. So I'd say, hey, Bill, you know, you know, you're talking about going to get surgery, you know. I was just going to talk to you about your relationship. He who had not satisfied every time. And it wasn't until we were in New York City. We'd just had the big meeting. That would bring a lot of people to their knees, by the way, just being in New York.

With some business people. We're talking about business. We're talking about money. And he was so excited. We're in a car. I finally got this guy, like, to himself. And I just said, but he was smoking. I mean, it's smuck like a bird.

He said, He said, but how old are you? And he told me his age, like 58. And I said, I think you're going to be dead in 14 years. You're going to be dead. He just looks at me. His eyes are big. He's like, what?

I said, I don't know. I'm just spitballing here, but I think you're going to be dead. Why would you say that? And I said, I don't know. He goes, I've never thought about that. And I said, well, maybe you should start thinking about it, you know, the way you're living, the way, you know. So he'd pull up to the hotel.

in the Heist hotel and he said, well, you come tell me more about that. I said, I will. So I'll go get my Bible. You know what he didn't say? He who had not sin cast first on. I tried a bunch of times, but finally picked another way that made him think about it. So it could be physical death. That could be work for somebody.

Some people wouldn't. We both know Marcus at trial. I remember talking to Marcus about physical death. A whole different, never even heard, you know, imagine his take on that. I know. You know, and so what works for some people doesn't work for others. I could say, Glenn, you could be part of a church, a group, and you could have friends, and you could, oh, and you could say, yes, that's what I've been looking for.

And then I tell somebody else and they go, I will never step foot in there. When I was a child, I was, so that doesn't work. So that's like, ah, not that way. And these are the way these conversations, the sometimes turning darkness into light one conversation at a time. So as we have these conversations, I just, you know, I think I've got the Holy Spirit living in me, so that's going to guide me. It's probably what guided me to tell Bill he's going to, I think you'll be dead in 14 years, you know. Because that wasn't something you planned.

The way you just said it a minute ago, like, I tried a different angle. I'm just trying to get in to have a conversation. And then if they don't want to know, like, I think you have to be authentic. But you also have to be looking for change. When Jesus invites himself to Zacchaeus's house, it's a bold move, right? Right. Now, everybody hates that kids. I don't like, we hate this guy. And everybody's like, he's hanging out with this cat, you know. Jesus walks in. He's looking for change. Zichikis. I don't know what exactly he said to the man, but he's like, okay, new rules. I'm giving him back. I'm paying back money, which is repentance, right? He's like saying I'm going to repent. Jesus says, this is why I came to seek and save what was lost for these kind of people. I know. Because I think there was such a message for everybody saying that going, we hate this guy. So, Glenn, I think it starts. You have to start with caring about people. Yes.

Because what I see in this country, more than ever, just don't care about each other. How many videos am I going to have to see if somebody walking down the streets step over somebody who's dying or just got mugged? They don't care. I don't care. I just got back from downtown Seattle. Ooh, there's not a lot of people caring about other people there, you know. Like, it's just, and I'm standing there going, how would I, you know, oh, what a mess, you know.

And so we have to care about people because does it really attractive to you to get into other people's problems too, especially when you're like, that's hard. It's, that's a, I think this book could be hard for people because it's a, I've read some books where I'm kind of uncomfortable because I'm like, shoot. I feel like I feel like I need to do that, be better at that. And so I read some that I'm like, oh, man, this is a different level because a lot of people kind of got it where they want, I try to go to church. I'm, you know, I live a good life. You know, I love Jesus and cuss it a little too, you know, whatever. whatever the t-shirt says, you don't know, you know, the way I see this country going in our world,

it's just chaos and just darkness. And, man, we got to have, you know, all the people who were out sharing their faith in the New Testament got killed. So I'm real careful about when I say, you know, if you do this, man, he's going to take care of that little thing for you. And it's just your life's going to be a little bit better, unless you're in North Korea, unless you're in China, you know. Yeah.

possibly what's coming here. Yeah, I mean, yeah, yeah, this could be. So I think the timing's right. But I'm just trying to figure out, you know, how the message is the same. The methods can be different. Yeah. So the method of how you tell us. The method has to be different now.

I mean, at least from. It can be different for different people. Right, right, right. But I mean, generally speaking, I think the churches had just gone silent. They're just, they're just, they always, this always happened. when there's, you know, a reformation. And it's just rotted from the inside. And it's the church outside that matters.

And the church outside has to lead the way. It can be, I mean, yeah, I mean, it can be both. I think there's some church. I think they just, what happens is you get off the path and you get into these, you know, all kind of different things and different, you start meeting. All your meetings are about not the things that you need to be meeting about. No, people aren't preaching the gospel anymore. Here's the big thing.

Being a gospeler is about being outward. Yeah. And what I see is I think a big struggle right now, people go to church, everybody's looking inward. Tell me something to help myself so I can. It's like a self-help thing. So do you remember just a minute ago you said somebody will say something and you're like, oh, geez. I just told you about church being a hospital for me. I'm having one of those moments like, ooh.

so well that's why well I'm trying to like no it's good I go to a hospital but I don't go to one every week yeah I don't even want to go to one every week you know I know I just feel so beaten down by the world at times that you just like I just want to go and just nothing is sacred in the world nothing is nothing is above man in the world you know it's until you know maybe you know maybe because where you live, but like you don't see all the stars and everything here in Dallas. You certainly don't see it in New York City. And I go to my ranch and I see it's completely dark. And you can see the stars everywhere.

And it just ought to, it's like the campfires. We don't have campfires anymore where you can sit around, look up and go, why am I here? What is all of this? But, but, but, okay, you need the chapter called Hope Yeller. I know that there's a bunch of bad. I feel like here's the problem with Christians to me. We're all just screaming about how bad everything is.

Where's the good? We're supposed to be teaching people good news. Where's the hope? And so I feel like... This is the second time now I'm going. So what it is you're looking at, because if you say you can't see the stars in Dallas, but there's somebody in probably in some part of California or New Jersey going,

Dallas is like heaven. Yeah, yeah. You know what I'm saying? We're like, you know, and yeah, Idaho is like, no,

no, but here's the thing. Here's the thing. Here's the thing. If those are the worldly parts, you imagine somebody in Yemen, like some believer that's like, you know,

and so a lot of this will pay off in the beyond, this thing, this thing we're in, it lasts like that. I know. I mean, we're getting older. I mean,

it's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, I'm trying to pump the brides on like this thing. It's life is so fast while we're here on this earth, like we're only here for just a little more time. And then we're going to be able to do all kind of things. That's what we live for. That's why it's a desperate measure to get the good news out while we're still here on this earth.

Because if we're just running around on earth, trying to get the net, you know, I'm just trying to stay, you know, once you go on mission, man, once you turn around, we mentioned Billy Graham. Think about that mission. Look at what, you know, look at him. He was like, there's millions of people all over the. this planet that would not know the gospel had it not been for that dude. I know. Just saying, let's go. And so.

One of the last things is. So we got to yield hope. We got to give hope in positivity and good, not just the bad. I get it. Like, this world, that's all world's going to hell in a handbasket. Okay, what are we going to do about it? Right. What are we going to say about it?

What did Jesus do about that? You know, it's not. You know, have you found, though, that when you say that to people, because I've been saying for the last maybe two years now. We've passed all the exits. We've passed all the rational exits politically and socially and everything else. We're now, we're almost at the gates of hell. And the only thing that will save us now is Christ.

That's it. Us returning to God, asking, recognizing what we've done and truly changing our life and try and it has happened before to societies it just well and it may have to get bad before it gets good you know people's lives certainly look like that may have to get bad before it gets you know yeah before it can get better it may have to get way worse you know as an alcoholic i worry about that yeah what's your bottom right and so in this country yeah it may have to be very uncomfortable which would i would which would which would lead people to something Yeah.

It usually does. I mean, 9-11 next week. More people were in church, I think, than, you know, in a long time, right? There was a coming together. When you get scared, you know, when you get, when there's fear and there's true fear, and that may be what has to happen to get, you know, a lot of people. And if that's what. You will have a humble people.

In the, in the eternal sense, that's what has to happen. So, like, I mean, to understand eternity and, you know, I think I put this story in the book, my daughter was in fifth grade. She actually just graduated from college a couple of weekends ago. She was in fifth grade. Corey's like, will he go help her with that assignment, which is very unusual? I wasn't normally that guy to go. So I go in there and I'm like, here, give me this thing.

And I'm going to like fifth grade. And I'm like, I ain't got a clue. I mean, I literally, I don't have a clue how to answer this question. I lay it down. I said, Bella, here's a deal. This test doesn't matter. She's crying. I said, this doesn't matter.

In fact, fifth. grade doesn't matter, you know. Who cares about, you know. Unless you're selling gum. Unless you got a, yeah, I definitely, you know, was this a mode of like business? So I'm like, you got it? She's like, yes, there are guys.

I go back there and watch Steve. My wife comes in. Like, what did you just tell our daughter? And I said, what do you mean? She goes, she said, you just said her test didn't matter. And her whole grade doesn't matter. I said, yeah, I'm sticking with that too. Now I think she knows she just graduated college.

I think she understands what I was saying. to think back to fifth grade. So I think once we live with the eternal mindset, we have that heavenly mindset, man, this is like a, you know. And it also, he doesn't waste anything. I mean, so something screws up. No, it's like, jambley. You throw everything in that, like, I'm using stuff from,

I've told you stories about fourth grade, fifth grade, like, who would have thought I would have even, but now they're in, you know, now they're like, oh, I can use this, you know. I think he uses, that's the beauty of Christianity. that you can use even the bad, even the site. Oh, yeah. Oh, this is bad, right? Yeah.

It's like, when we used to, like, reality TV, it reminds me that. When the thing happens that's going to shut down the thing, and I always say, but you never can see it. And I would say, whoa, whoa, whoa, this is what, this is the show. This is the show. Right. You're like, no, no, we can't film the show because this happened. I'm like, that is the show. That's the show.

You're right. The first time I ever did reality TV, my phone froze up. I missed my alarm. I was supposed to be down there, duck up with filming them, slept in. And they're down there, feeling them and getting all ready

and the director's looking around and goes, okay. He goes, oh, where's Willie? And Phil does not miss the beat. Phil's like, oh,

I'm mad he's still asleep. And they're like, we can't film this show. And they're like, well, we're going hunting. If y'all want to not film, don't film.

And the guy's like, Willie screw this whole thing. I wake up like at 9 o'clock. I'm like, oh, no. all the conchairs. I'm like, I gotta get out there.

I need a P-row, which is a small boat. I go to get a small boat. There's a boat. It's the size of this tape, but it's this big. And I'm like, how are they riding this thing?

I come to find it later. It's a serving tray for crawfish. It's not meant to. So I get in this thing, like it's literally the size of my hips. And I get in there and I'm like, okay. And as soon as I did like this,

and I pottled that thing out there. And you see me shoot out of the woods and here and feels like, what's he riding? And Jay says, I see nothing but his body. We don't even know what's he. So when I pulled up to the deal, that was the show. That was the show. None of that was scripted. But that's so sometimes it's like, that's the thing that you're looking for.

Would you close in prayer? I will. Father, we're so grateful to be in your presence. I pray for Glenn. I pray for just the audience he has, all the everything he's built, Father, just in this world and all the people he has around him. And Father, I just pray that you always give him hope, always give him the insight, Father, to make things clear to people. And I just, I know he gets beat down, Father. And I just pray that you be with that.

Give him hope, positivity, renewed energy. And Father, just give us all that. Give us all the vision to see things and see the future, see being with you, see eternity, and seeing something beyond this earth that we know is hard to see. Be with our faith. I pray that we all become better gospelers. We just have the gospel in our lips all the time. I pray for all those around the world who are sharing their faith,

even at the possibility of people. peril and Father, I pray for them and I just pray for, give us straight, be with this country, Father. We know it's just so screwed up in so many ways. But, Father, help us to be voices. Help us to be voices to try to make that change. Even if not for us, for our kids and our grandkids. And Father, just pray that you be with, be with us in this year. What a nutty year, Father. We just pray that you give us wisdom and understanding. I pray for all the leaders and we know that you're in charge and we put these people in and move them out. And thank you for this show. Thank you for this time, this conversation, Father, and I just pray that we always have an answer for the hope that we have, and that's you.

And we give you all the praise through Jesus. Amen. Amen. I love you, brother. Awesome, buddy. Thank you. Just a reminder, I'd love you to rate and subscribe to the podcast and pass this on to a friend so it can be discovered by other people. When you were little, you've been braced, you're on trying to negotiate, to make sure in the exchange. you can't help with this instinct, with without operation gratuite, no amount of minimum,

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