The Glenn Beck Program - Ep 253 | Why Trump Must ANNIHILATE Mexico’s Cartels Like ISIS | The Glenn Beck Podcast           

Episode Date: April 12, 2025

Ravaged by political corruption, decades of mass murder, unfettered human trafficking, and a spiraling fentanyl crisis, Mexico is a “fragile narco-state,” says Brandon Darby, co-founder of Breitbart’s Border and Cartel Chronicles. While Mexican media and journalists are silenced by fear of cartel retribution, Darby has spent years exposing atrocities like the mass graves found miles from our southern border, giving a voice to a nation ignored and terrorized into silence. Darby criticizes U.S. diplomatic efforts focused on reforming Mexico’s justice system and depicts a U.S.-Mexico border rife with lawlessness and violence, urging Trump to enact border policies that “treat the cartels like we treat al-Qaeda” and not to forget that “China is courting Mexico.”     For more of Brandon's reporting, visit: https://www.breitbart.com/author/brandon-darby/ GLENN’S SPONSORS   American Financing   American Financing can show you how to put your hard-earned equity to work and get you out of debt. Dial 800-906-2440, or visit https://www.americanfinancing.net.        Constitution Wealth  It’s time to align your financial portfolio with your principles. Visit https://constitutionwealth.com/blaze for a free consultation.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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including a 55-gallon drum or two, incinerated some of the bodies. How is that possible? How is that possible we don't know about it? How is that possible it's happening in Mexico? Well, they're not a Western European country. They're not like Great Britain. They're not like Norway.

They are a failed narco state, and America needs to wake up to that. They also had the help of the Mexican governor of that state, who would later go on to become the leader of Mexico's largest political party. You haven't heard this story, have you? Of course not, because the cartel doesn't want you to hear this story. However, there is one man who is not afraid of being on the wrong side of the cartel. I want to welcome to the podcast, co-founder and director of Breitbart, border and Texas and Breitbart Cartel Chronicles.

Thank you, Brightbart, for what you have been doing all of these years. Welcome, Brandon Darby. This has been, I went to CNN. I tried to tell the story on the border. Nobody wanted to tell it. Nobody. We don't have satellite trucks down there. We don't have any, you know, I'd get people on the phone.

All of a sudden, couldn't do that story. Went Fox. Can't do that story. you guys are the only ones that I know that have consistently, and in particular, you at Breitbart, you're consistently telling this story. Before we get into it, and people will understand, are you safe? I'm not safe. I feel safe now. I did not feel safe when we started the project. I didn't know how cartels were going to react to what we were doing.

Right. But, you know, I, and I don't say this to preach. I really don't. I don't live my life. I've been the furthest from a perfect, sanctified person. You can, maybe not the furthest, but I've been pretty far from it. And, but to me, it's really been an unto the least of these situation. It's like, here are these people.

They don't have a voice for all of these communities, don't have a voice for a bunch of reasons, right? There's complex reasons why left of center or legacy media didn't cover them. There's complex reasons why the right didn't at that time. And I knew that I was supposed to do what I could to help bring a voice. And so I just was like, God, you're going to have to stick up for me and watch out for me here, watch out for my family. But I'm going to up it a little bit and I'm going to go at these guys in Mexico.

And we did that and we didn't get killed. And so we started these Cartel Chronicles, which is a whole other deal. We were very directly challenging them in Mexico. So am I safe? I feel safe. I do things to keep myself safe. Let's not talk about any of that. So let me take you back.

I think this is when the chronicles first started, this, when it was it, 2011, this rounding up of 500 people and just killing them all because they had the same name. And they knew two of them might be talking to DEA officials. Tell that story. Well, okay. So it's always so difficult to tell these stories because you, You don't know how many listeners or viewers understand the geography of the border, you know, the worst states. Assume not. Okay. So on the, the majority of the U.S.-Mexico border is Texas, right?

And Texas has the United States borders divided into nine sectors on the southwest border. Immediately below Texas, below a town called Del Rio and Eagle Pass. It's a Del Rio sector. That's where everyone would know. That's where that fence came up and then the government took it down and all these people. So south of there is a state called Coelah. And Coelah, it's right on the Texas border, but it was under control of a cartel called Los Zetas. Los Zetas has since rebranded themselves, kind of like Philip Morris did or something.

And they changed their name to CDN. But we still call them Los Zeta CDN. We don't buy the rebranding that the U.S. government and U.S. media buys. But they had complete control over that state. And what they did was someone had agreed to cooperate with the U.S. government, you know, with the DEA. And then the U.S. government shared a little bit of information with the Mexican government. Oh, good.

Trying to treat them as though that was a safe thing to do. and trying to be professional. And they shared a very common last name and said, the source's last name is this. So what Los Zetas did with the government's approval, with the state government's approval, is they went into this region of Mexico called Allende, and they rounded up everyone with that last name

and everyone who had a relative with that last name, and they killed them, 500-something people killed them. They burned their bodies, and that was that. Didn't they actually take them to, like, the prison and have the... Well, some of them, yeah, that we can't figure out what happened to all of them. But what we did was we actually went to this prison and got access to a storage room, and we were able to find remnants of people. It was horrifying.

But that's what they did to these people. but that happens that's happened all across Mexico specifically along the U.S. Mexico border. You know, people will tell me, well, I went to Tijuana and it was safe. It was fine. I went to a show. And I was like, well, because you're dealing with a different cartel there than what we deal with in Texas and south of Texas. When you're talking about south of Texas, if you were to go, now people understand where it is. if you say Bocca Beach, it's the very furthest point where Mexico and the United States meet, that's where Elon Musk launches rockets from, SpaceX, right? If you were to go all the way over there, that is called the Rio Grande Valley sector.

That's a state called Tamalipas in Mexico. And it's under the control of the Gulf Cartel. Well, as you go further over and you get to the Laredo sector, which is next, Rio Grande Valley, Laredo sector, do Rio sector. Big Ben sector, El Paso sector, and so forth. As you come west, you're dealing with Los Zetas, right? And, you know, it goes on and down the line. But specifically, the Gulf Cartel in Los Zetas,

they've had their leadership decimated. So, and decimate is not even the right word. They've had their leadership decimated probably eight times over, right? And what happens when you do that is these groups start to factionalize. So now the Gulf Cartel isn't the Gulf Cartel anymore. It's multiple cartels who all call themselves the Gulf Cartel, but they're all fighting each other. And what happens is you end up with glorified gangbangers,

and they no longer care about tomorrow. They don't care about long-term profit sustainability. They care about making. making money today, right? That's why we had the migrant crisis that we had starting in 2013-14 is because this faction of the Gulf Cartel decided they could make as much or more money from smuggling people to our border than they could from drugs. So that's what they started doing.

That's why most of that border crisis was contained to this very small geographic area along our border. It's because that particular faction of the Gulf Cartel decided that's what they were going do for money. You see how this starts to get complicated? So there was a story a couple of weeks ago about crematoriums. What what who which cartel is that? Where was that? Okay. Tell that story. When you asked me to come on the show, my mind, I had already been in a place where I was like, I need to bring attention to Halisco. I need to bring attention to this cartel called C.J and G, right? Cartel Halisco. The head of that cartel is a guy named El Mincho. Okay. Now, they used to be a Sino-La

faction. They broke off from the Sinaloa cartel. I mean, we could get into, people can watch Narcos if they want to know that story, right? But the bottom line is this particular cartel is so brutal and so powerful. They have ties to the current Secretary of Defense of Mexico. That's a fact. and they're protected. So when the U.S. government, you know, like him or hate him or whatever, when Trump first came in, his first term, what was that, 2016, 17, but when he first came in, he had promised, in fact, it was on a radio show with me at the time, I was guest hosting a show, and Stephen Miller, that was his name, he came on, and he promised that they,

were gonna go to war on cartels, Mexican cartels. But they didn't the first term. And I'm sure there was, there were a lot of complicating factors, right? Like Trump 2.0 and Trump 1.0 are not the same at all. And I personally am a fan of 2.0 a lot more. I like 2.0. I thought, yeah. But what they did was they kind of went after MS-13, right?

And I guess they assumed that, well, people People won't know the difference or we're keeping as much of our promise as we can. But Trump 2.0 is really going at it. But the problem is that they're really not going after cartel Halisco, right? Because they're protected. So they're going after the Sino-Loa cartel, which 10 years ago no one could have done. And they're going after the Gulf Cartel. And they're going after Los Zetas.

They're going after a lot of folks. But are they really going after? Cartel Halisco, they're not going after Cartel Halisco. Tell me what they do. Tell me why these guys are so bad. Well, they're just brutal. So you traditionally have had folks like the Gulf cartel and Los Altos who had their leadership taken out. Remember, there were those younger guys who came in. So they didn't care as much about tomorrow, right? They only cared about today, which meant the typical things we relied on, like our entire counterterrorism strategy in the

southwest border, again, analysts will say this is an oversimplification, but I think it's a fair, it's a fair oversimplification is we've said, well, these cartels won't allow a terrorist to come through because they know what that would do to them. They know that that would shut down their money and their business, their corridors. Well, that you could say that about an old school cartel with an old leadership who doesn't want to kill police, doesn't want to kill U.S. citizens. they just want to make money and they know how to avoid trouble, right? But when it's a bunch of young guys

all doing cocaine and methamphetamine and they know they're going to die tomorrow anyways, they don't care. Well, now we have a real problem. But again, that's coming from these factionalized cartels that can't accumulate a lot of power or political power in Mexico because they're constantly changing leadership.

But the problem with Cartel Halisco is they are that large cartel with the majority of power, the most powerful cartel right now in the world, I believe. Some would say an Italian group is, I don't think so. Definitely in our world, right? That is in our side of the planet. Most powerful, ruthless drug lord in existence is El Minchot right now. And they are behaving. They have all that power and that money and that reach,

but they are behaving like these young guys from the Gulf cartel or from Los that does. You understand? And it's a problem. It's a real problem. And, you know, regardless of how much, I mean, obviously, if you have my history and you write about these issues, you're constantly brushing shoulders with law enforcement. There's constantly analysts who reach out to you or others who reach out to you for

information in government, right? And you start to get a pretty clear picture of what their complaints and their gripes are in the state department, the U.S. State Department. There's State Department employees, but the majority of the people handling security and law enforcement in the U.S. consulate in Monterey, right, or in the U.S. Embassy in Mexico City. Their former law enforcement who are retired, who are doing a contract. Well, those guys, have a pretty good idea what's going on, like where the money's going, who they're being told to leave a loan,

who they're being told to go after and to prioritize, but they talk. And when they feel like something wrong is happening, they talk, right? They might not go to Congress, they might not, but they'll talk to you and you know this stuff.

And you've been in journalism. And they tell you what's going on. And what's going on is we are not properly going after El Minchot. Even not with Trump. Even now. And I don't think, how to say this? I think pretty quickly

the Trump administration will, but the way that's going to happen is by me texting people I know in the White House and telling them that by me coming on your show and your platform being used to make sure

there's zero percent chance that decision makers in this White House don't watch your show. We'll say, in the front, all the world can be a guy of the finance. Not to have a gross monster in art, to play at golf,

or to be to be a pro of the crypto. Not a business. In any way, you have always done with your idea of money to sitre and aid you add to renewing

with your instinct of negotiation. With the support 24 hours per day, no amount of minimum, nor fray mensuel. You're made

for negotiate, and the appellee negotiate titre t-D is made to you need to need to

now. There's 0% chance. I will tell you that I happen to know somebody on this team that is

making the decisions. And I have no inside information or anything else. But I do, I do know he's one of the more serious guys I've ever met. He knows he's dealt with the worst of the worst of the Middle East. And Trump is looking at these guys just like he did ISIS and everything else. And they are at least that bad. They might be worse because there is no code at all amongst them. but if if you go in because i've been waiting for every morning for 10 weeks

all these people wake up and they're like what happened to him last night and he's dead you know and just every day people are waking up dead um and but i am i'm wondering now if that's even a good idea for us to spend in send in special forces if it's just breaking them up even more into these little teeny death squads okay that's a really good point and I'm glad you brought it up what we've done to the Gulf cartel and we've broken them into little itty-bitty teeny tiny death squads right what we have done though is broken their power in Mexico their ability to control that central government to have influence over it is very small. So, but wait, let me stop. Let's, let's spend a minute on the government,

because you can't do the things these organizations are doing without serious connections to the government. And, and I, I mean, it's obvious. When you have a local politician, he's like, I'm going to run against the cartels. I'm going to clean this up. He's dead. Everyone who's on his team is dead. Everybody who even were supporting him, they're all dead. You clearly, clearly when you have the next candidate up, he's clearly at least tolerant of the cartels. So how do you clean that up? I mean, how deep does this go? Is it all of it? Oh, so Mexico has, you know, five years ago, I would have said they had 31 states in the federal district, right? Kind of like their D.C., Mexico City. I think now it's considered a state, so it's 32 states, right?

Right. More than half of that territory is under the control of cartels. Literal control. Like literal control. So in the United States, if someone is in trouble, we might send, you know, the FBI or the ATF to go get them, right? In Mexico, they can't do that. In Mexico, they have to send in their elite Marines. They have to send in, like, hundreds of soldiers and armored vehicles to go and get someone if they want them.

And that's even then that it's very rarely, rarely is it successful, right? There's usually the cartels are using drone attacks, you know. It starts to resemble a smaller version of Ukraine and Russia right now. So it's under their control. So it's very tricky. I think later on in this discussion we'll probably get more in detail about, maybe we will, about, you know, the problems that, the U.S. has in doing things in Mexico.

But to make a long story short, years ago, as in a year ago, maybe even up to a year ago, the way that people in the intelligence community and in the law enforcement community in the United States described it to me is they said when we have law enforcement or intelligence, you know, priorities, the State Department would always say, hey, wait a minute, you need to balance your law enforcement and intelligence priorities with the State Department's diplomatic concerns. Oh, man. And so you've got to think about what the U.S. government does.

That's, that's, that's, that's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's horrifying. That's like Vietnam. So this is what happens. It's people leave D.C. They go to Mexico for a two-year assignment or so, right? they take a sheet of paper and they write out their priorities and they say okay here's what I'm going to accomplish while I'm here and after I accomplish these things and I leave I can go to Honolulu or wherever I want to go right some you know southeast Pacific island or something

because I took this dangerous assignment they have to work with local partners with Mexicans to get these priorities done and they start to do it the U.S. government starts to go after a particular cartel boss and then all of the people that the state department's working with and depending on say well you need to back off that guy it's going to cause problems for us why don't you have to this guy instead this is el capone absolutely so to to what you said a minute ago what can the u.s do if the u.s goes after them does it break them up and turn them into you know is it like a hydra do you chop the head off and more heads come at you I think that the U.S. government doesn't really need to do that.

I think the U.S. government needs to look at the reality of Mexico. Mexico, everything is for sale. If you're dirty and you throw money around, you have political power, and you can get things done. But if you're the U.S. government and you throw money around, you can get things done as well. I think that the U.S. government should fund groups in Mexico to take out or help with these bad guys. Like they just did. They got a Sino-a guy named O'Mayo. And it turns out that O'Mo was kidnapped by another cartel and then flown here, right, to the U.S.

Well, obviously someone in the U.S. government was working with these other bad guys to do this. And I think that kind of thing is what's going to happen more. I think that it's probably... But will that even slow things down? Yeah, yeah, because you have to... I mean, this is one of those tricky things, right? Where there are a lot of folks on the left who cover cartels. They don't cover them like we do.

But they still cover stuff going on in Mexico, right? And when they cover it, I say a lot, there's a few of them. few of my respect, you know, Ian Grillo, and there's a few folks I really respect and I read their work. But they come from it from a very liberal, it kind of reminds me of talking about home invasions in Los Angeles, right? If you asked me how to deal with home invasions in Los Angeles, I'm going to have a very different perspective than Nancy Pelosi would have, right? And or even their current governor. Right. And they look at it in this bizarre way. It's like, well, this violent is going to happen if we do this, it's going to cause these short-term problems.

So maybe we just leave it alone and learn to cooperate with them and live with them. I'm like, no, that's not how we do things, right? Like what we do is we do what we have to do, and then we worry about the next step afterwards if the only thing we can do is right before our face, right? So you take the step, you break them up, you minimize their federal power, their national power, and you keep breaking them up. And then if they turn into five groups, you break them up. But every time they divide, they're smaller than they were before, you know, and you break their power.

That's just going to take long term. And we can't do long term in this country. We have four to eight years. Yeah, that's it. And that's all we have. Right. Yeah, that's all we have. I'd say reach across the aisle, you know, the way that I talk about.

Nobody, I mean, even some of the Republicans, they just don't care. And I think it's because I've seen some of the pictures. that networks didn't allow me to put on the air. I've seen the bowling alleys with the heads in the bowling alleys. You know what I mean? I've seen the heads on the pikes on the side of the street. This cremation story that just came out a few weeks ago. It's horrifying.

It's horrifying. Horrifying. I don't think people really understand because they're like, oh, yeah, spring break, my kids are going to Mexico. Don't go to Mexico. I wouldn't do that. Yeah, I wouldn't either. I wouldn't.

It's not the Mexico it used to be. Now, okay, Glenn, imagine, and maybe I'm tugging on heartstrings for all the viewers a little, but that's okay because it's real. Imagine being someone who's a good person, right? You're a father. You have daughters. You have a son. You're probably impoverished. But imagine that you live under this, right?

You live with, when the local cartel comes to get you, it's not people in masks coming to get you. It's the state police because the state police work for that cartel, right? That is the part of the car. That's their enforcement, is their own mechanisms of government. Imagine you live under that. And no one in the world tells your story. No one in the world knows that you live under that.

They kind of do, but not really, right? And imagine that the only hope you have is that people in the United States tell your story and make what's happening to you matter. Make people just put it in everyone's head. Tell me one of those stories. Well, I was getting at those is that on the left, they're afraid to report on what's going on in these communities because they're afraid that in their minds they think they're reinforcing a. racist right of center narrative, right? And they're afraid to report on it because if they do report on it, they think it's going to benefit Republican Party or it's going to make brown communities look bad. And so in the name of doing the best for these people, they just keep them silent and they refuse to

tell what's going on, you know? And on the right, a lot of people have refused because they're like, well, you're just bringing sympathy to those people. And I'm like, well, Yeah, that's what I'm doing. If I were on the other side of the border, I completely understand I'm taking my family and getting across the border. That's what I would do. Right. And I completely understand the plight.

I don't understand our unwillingness to move. I mean, for decades. This is not a new problem. This is getting worse and worse and worse and worse because we don't do anything about it. We don't demand anything be done about it. And you sit there and you look at it and you're like, I think the average person in Mexico, I'm living in one of those towns,

completely run, completely right. And everybody knows it. And my mayor was killed. The person that wanted to replace him was shot. You know, his wife and kids, they were shot.

Somebody else was shot all against the cartels. All of those guys were wiped out. I shut my mouth. I look for a way out for my family. So that's the reality. But if we actually would step in, because their government is corrupt, if we actually looked at them like we did ISIS, the people of Mexico would embrace us.

Would they not? Some would, some wouldn't. It depends on where and what they're dealing with. I think in the communities that are most affected by, like, Cartel Alisco, I think that we would be embraced. Do the Mexicans not know the story of these people? They do. But, okay, Glenn.

So depending on how you count media workers, right? Like if you say media workers or journalists, right, like the left tends to, you're like, I'm a journalist, but my Wikipedia page, someone put on there, I'm a blogger. You know, it's like a mechanism of insulting me or diminishing my work. So that happens in Mexico too, right? Like if you use the terminology or the definitions I would use for journalists, right? right, there's been about 150 or so Mexican journalists killed in the last few years, you know. Few years.

Few years. Five years? I think it's been five, might have been six or something. That's got to be one of the worst in the world, didn't it? Okay. So every year between like Mexico and Syria, Mexico is always a close number two or Mexico and wherever. Some years Mexico's number one. of the most journalists killed in the world.

So this is where what we do and what you're doing right now is so important because every news outlet has a link, right? In Mexico, has a link. And I think about this. A link is the person everyone knows is kind of like the Communist Party minor.

So they go, they run things by, and the link says, well, you better cover it this way. or you better not cover that violence. So you better not mention this. So you better not write that story about the mayor taking money from narcos. Get it?

And so the journalists fall in line because if they don't, they're dead. They're dead. So what we do is we go and we build relationships with journalists and we say, listen, we know that you work here. We know that you can't write these things.

But if you want to write these things under a pseudonym and you want to give them to us, we'll publish them in English and Spanish for the entire Western world to see. And that's what journalists do. That's why we're so successful at it. What's the readership like?

Tell me in Mexico. Is that spread in Mexico? It does, but, okay, so, and you know the stuff just from analytics. Yeah. People don't share our articles in Mexico on social media. I bet not.

But they do share, share it via DM. They do, they text it to it. They WhatsApp it to each other, right? They send it that way. They don't share openly on social media generally. That should tell you everything you need to know. It absolutely does. You know, this is, this is so enraging because you hear this, and we've made such a a big deal out of the Venezuela gangs, which are horrible, horrendous. But we don't talk about, And everybody knows, everybody knows that these gangs in Mexico are just as bad. These people, we, in my opinion, and I love to hear your thought. If we're not literally, or, you know, if we're not doing business with them,

we're at least turning a major blind eye over the last five years. I personally, to me, it's almost as if we're like, hey, we're going to help your business. I mean, it is the way we have reacted over the last four years under Biden has got to have empowered these people and enrich them like nobody's business. And it was us, the government that did it. Disagree? I agree. I agree. This is where we get into, you know, there are some things, some solutions, parts of solutions,

that the few on the left who care about this and focus on it. There are some parts of their solutions I agree with. Like what? I agree that ultimately what does away with this type of violence and crime is opportunity. I agree with that. But you can't have opportunity. They don't have clean water. I wonder why.

The problem is where we disagree is how to get there. how to get to that place, right? Because it is opportunity. I understand some of our best sources through the years have been young guys who at one point in time were cartel guys. They weren't leadership, but they were, you know, they had a radio and they would help guide loads or do whatever. And they explain it to me.

And they're like, well, what else would I do? You know, like imagine you live outside of Juarez, like an Annapra, right? Rancho Anapra. Just on the other side of the U.S. Mexico border, you could actually see it from this little place called Sunland Village in New Mexico just outside of El Paso and for years there was this chain link fence

right there and that was the border and you could look across and you'd see these little shanties and you'd see kids with no shoes and it was a bit horrifying and I would always stop and talk to these kids right but I think about this so you live there

you have you really don't have access to a lot of formal education, right? Your mother probably washes people's laundry by hand, right? You have a couple of sisters. There's men who are disrespecting your sisters, and you're pretty sure they're going to wrap them up into something bad. You can't do anything. And then someone comes to you and goes,

hey, all you have to do is, like, have this radio for me. I'll give you a gun. I'll pay you, you know, $500 a week, $500 U.S. dollars a week and no one will try to sexually assault your sister your mother won't have to wash people's underwear anymore and your family

will be treated with respect. If you're a young man, what do you do? And that's literally the only option you have. What do you do? Most likely, you take that. At a young age, I might have if I might have to. Yeah, I might have to. Yeah. And you take that.

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Well, we're not going to get there without a lot of violence. We're not going to get there without a lot of things that would make most people feel uncomfortable. We're just not. And that's, you know, it's kind of like we talk about the Overton window, right? Like what we accept and what we have accepted, I think about this, we have accepted a 2,000-mile border that is largely immediately on the other side is under the control of transnational, paramilitary criminal organizations. And we've accepted it. We've allowed them to make untold amounts millions from bringing people to our border.

They advertise in Central America, right? And they say, hey, you can come here. You don't have to have any collateral. It's okay because we know, you know, we know where your grandmother is. We know where your family members are. So that's your collateral. So you come here. We'll get you to the border.

we're going to dress you up in clothes that appeal to the American sensibility, right? We're going to tell you exactly what to say. And then on the day that we want to, we're going to bring you and 200 other people to the border and tell you where to cross and tell you what to do. And those people do it. And they come here. And they're the migrant workers, right? They say what they were told to say.

They're wearing the clothes that they were given, you know? and for the next however many years, they're sending money back every two weeks to that cartel, you know, through Orlando Valuta or through, you know, WhatsApp or through Venmo or through, you know, or PayPal, they're sending money back, small amounts, to pay it off. And that is what is fueling, like the Gulf Cartel, the rhinosa faction of the Gulf Cartel.

That's what's fueling them. And we've allowed that. We've allowed that because we feel bad, and we feel bad for people. and we understand why they're coming, right? We can get why they're coming. And you're like whether or not we think it's okay that they've come that way

and whether or not we think they should not be allowed to, right, that we should stop it is kind of besides the point. The fact is that when you're seeing that, you can relate to why that human did that. But that kindness that we're showing, not only really is it fair to a whole host of other people, but it's really not fair to the very communities these people come from.

You get something. I 100%. Look, there are times that compassion can be so wildly misplaced that it just makes things worse and worse and worse. There's some things that have. It has to be an order. You know, there has to be, we're never going to make any progress if we are just enabling the bad guys by saying we're going to help the others on the yeah i understand that but we've got to cure that we got to we have cancer got to cut that cancer out get it out before you can help the body

you know right it's like hey let's do calisthenics while you're on chemo no it's not going to work out well it's not going to work out it'll never get you healthy um uh how deep does this go Does this go all the way to the president? Okay. So I've thought about this. Several Mexican presidents that has gone all the way to them. And they've, they've, that's not a, at this point, people can get on Google or duck, dot go or something else.

And they can read all about that. This particular president, what I think, this is my gut feeling, right? my gut feeling is that she is not dirty in that way, but that she is a realist who says, okay, this is a country where half of the territory is under the control of these transnational paramilitary cartels. And I have to somehow govern this country, right?

And so what I think she's done is, like with her secretary of defense, I think she's brought people onto her cabinet, some of whom she knows are dirty and connected because it helps her govern. What just happened with, you know, what, a month or two ago when they handed over 20-some-od cartel bosses who were wanted? That was unprecedented. This guy, Raphael Caro Cantaro, he killed this DE agent, which is kind of what kicked all this off to start with, right?

As part of it, he brutally tortured one of our people, right? and American and a fellow American. And he killed him and he had, he had like doctors and on standby and there to keep this guy alive just so he could torture him more. Oh my gosh. Yeah. And that was in the 80s.

And Mexico and we just got him because of the threat of terrorists. Mexico knew, right? Mexico protected him this entire time. And we, they just handed us. to us. Why? I think they realized and again, I'll just say it.

This administration under Trump on the world stage finally called them out and said this is basically they said this is a narco state. Is there any other way to describe it? No, but that's not something that the U.S. government has done. So the threat of tariffs,

the threat of military act, of the U.S. taking unilateral action against these guys. And Mexico said, oh, man, and this president, very secretly, without informing a lot of people, got these guys out of there. They got the heads of Losetas, the two brothers, the Z brothers who ran Los Zetas, and even though there's different leaders, the reality is as those two brothers still ran it. See, in Mexico, this is how it works. if a cartel boss gets arrested and put in prison in Mexico, that doesn't change anything.

What changes it is when they die or when they get into U.S. custody. Once you're in U.S. custody, it's like being dead, right? So if a cartel boss wanted to kill me and had a hit on me and he gets arrested at Mexico, that doesn't do much, right? He's still the boss. but if he gets killed or he gets put into U.S. custody, then no one will do the hit. No one's going to do any favors for him anymore because he's considered gone, right?

So when Mexico handed those people over, that shocked me that they handed us, this guy, Carl Contrero. I could not believe they did it. That was a major gesture. But I promise you that that president would have had to have done that without informing members of her cabinet

that she was doing that, you know? It would have had to have been that kind of hush and secret. What she said was... You're saying she would have spoken... She would not have spoken to her cabinet. No, she couldn't have, because some of them are, in fact... Yeah, cartel. Yeah, and so she couldn't have.

And how she defended it was she said, I had intelligence that corrupt governors were going to get paid and release them. That's why I did it. Like, she had to have an excuse for why she did it that way. but the fact that she gave us, Carl Cantara is a really big deal. The fact that she gave us the de facto heads of the Loseta CDN,

that's a huge deal. It's a really big deal, but it still diverts from the fact that El Minchot is protected. You know, who's the major driver of Fentano in the United States? El Minchot. Put him in a category of other drug bosses. or Al Capone or something that people in America can relate to. It would be hard.

I don't think Al Capone ever had that much power that El Minchot has, or I don't think so. Al-Qaeda, Osama bin Laden? Probably more power than that. It would be, it's kind of difficult to do that. But just imagine, a really bad guy who doesn't mind pumping fentanyl to the United States, doesn't mind killing

journalists, right? Does it all the time. Doesn't mind killing innocent people and burying them in mass graves if they get in his way who now has billions upon billions of dollars per year to play with, you know? You understand? That's, you know, who has the

current Secretary of Defense as a close friend. You know, our source is he's a compadre, right? Which means this isn't someone who he talks to on occasion or has a business meeting with. This is someone they're talking once or twice a day about their days and what they're doing. They're friends.

They're close friends. So it's bad. And do people in Mexico have a problem with that? They just keep it to themselves? I think most people do. You know, like you think about most of the people from Mexico you've met if you've ever. I don't know what work you've done before radio and TV,

but I would imagine you've probably, like most people, done some blue collar work and probably... I got into radio when I was 13. Okay, so... I mean, look at these hands. They're babies. They're like babies. There's, you know, people, I think most places are decent people.

Most human beings are decent. Yeah. Scripturally, are they decent? No, we're all awful and fallen. But on a... human level, most people, they want to work, they want to provide. They want to be left alone, left alone, raise their children, right? They, most people, you know, they live their life and they're having fun and doing what they can. And then at the age that their parents start to pass away, they get real serious about life.

And they're just, it's a human experience, right? All of us have these poor things, right? All of us live, all of us die. All of us lose parents or we die young. Those are our choices, right? all of humanity goes through that. And I think everyone in Mexico does too. I think that the vast majority of people are very decent.

But when the people in power, when there's such a few people with wealth, right? Like we don't have that here. Like people can say we do and they're talking about Elon Musk or, yeah, there's a couple of people with so much money that it's, I can't even comprehend it. But for the most part, we have a thriving middle class, right?

we have, you know. Especially compared to places like Mexico. In real terms. Yeah, right. And, and I think, you know, when so few people have power and so few people have firearms, right? Remember of Mexico, you can't have, they're not like us. They don't, everyone doesn't get to have a firearm. Like, we could say if some guys came up the street to take our women or take everyone with a

certain last name and burn them and kill them, that we would, we wouldn't tolerate it. Yeah. But imagine that you don't have firearms. And then imagine that you don't have 911 to call because if you call the police, like you're calling the guys coming up the street doing it. Imagine that scenario, right? So when you say do most, I think most people there have a problem with this. But what are they going to do?

You know, what are they going to do? They're in a very difficult situation. And that's why, you know, there's things all over the world where there's injustice. there's things all over the world, even in our own country, but I'm talking about foreign and overseas. There's all types of horrible things happening. But for some reason, our neighbor, which affects us the most, right, with a 2,000 mile land border, right?

Roughly 2,000 miles. Like, for some reason, like, we don't mind intervening everywhere else in the world, but we don't. But not there. You know, like, why? I think I attribute a lot of it to, and make people mad at me, but get mad. I mean, it's just what I think. I think a lot of it is because of the way that we handle it, right?

A lot of it is approaching it like California approaches crime, you know, approaching it very left of center, liberal-leaning, ideal approach that doesn't acknowledge or accept the reality, right? So the U.S. government's big push in Mexico for last, I don't know, probably, let's see, do the math, maybe 12 to 15 years. The big push has been to reform their justice system, right?

So what they're trying to do is make Mexico have a justice system like ours. where there's discovery and you know your accusers, which sounds great. But if you implement that, when the cartels still control everything, and you have to name the witnesses against a back guy, what happens, you know?

But I'm saying that that is what we have, that's what our state department has focused on. With all of this other stuff happening, that's what they've focused on. Like it's almost like if someone you love is, or say that God forbid you or myself that we have a major tumor, right? Like in our lung. And they come in and start going, hey, like let's do a manicure and a pedicure. And let's make sure that let's work on the mobility in your ankles.

And you're like, well, that's great that you're working on the mobility in my ankles. But right now I have a tumor in my lung. Yeah. That's the approach that we've taken. There's this refusal to acknowledge reality, right? So Trump doesn't seem shy. And again, I know one of the people that he appointed, he is not shy either. So why haven't we really made a move?

Why haven't there been any shock in awe or should there? And what should we be doing? Well, okay. So this is where things, and you know, this. I know that you know this. I'm going to make an assumption that you know this. Because you two brush, you have relationships with people in these positions. So you have a little bit of how things work or like a lot like, and I don't want to be ugly, but like the way CPAC works, right? If CPAC is having a panel on the border, okay, who gets called to that panel? Like, do I get

called to that panel? Probably not, right? Like who gets called to that panel is which groups have the largest booths, right? Well, you would be called to the panel. I mean, you know, you get what I'm doing. I do. And whoever has the largest groups, they decide who's going to be the speakers. That's got to stop. And then four or five of the people on the panel call me and they're like, hey, tell me about this issue. What do I say? And I'm like, well, brother, like, you're the one who allowed yourself to be elevated to a position of leadership, you know, use Google. I don't know. Like, I'll give you some talking points, but what am I, you know, like all of you are asking you for the same thing. Like I can't. And I think that's what happens in, it happens in media.

I think it happens in bureaucracy in general, but it for sure happens in government, right? Where the people who, I guess the people who oftentimes make the decisions or the people who are are the advisors maybe are not the ones who should be, right? Now, this administration, I think, is different. Like, if I look at the FBI, I love what he's done with the leadership. And Dan Bongino, I'm honest with you, I have a fan. I'm a good fan.

And, you know, I look at it with terrorism, and I look at just the folks he's appointed across the board. These are people I know or I have either watched for years, Some of them I known for years, and they're good people and they're serious people who they might not know everything about cartels, but they know where to reach. They know where to look. They know whose work to look at and who to ask questions upon. But you got to remember, we're very soon into this, right? Like, these guys are still sorting this out.

We're not far enough into this. I think the first administration, Trump 1.0, I think that he tried to, bring as many of and I hate to use that term but I'm going to like swamp creatures in to make peace kind of like I don't think he understood he didn't get how this works yeah

he had no idea how that works I mean he said that many times he does now I think he has a pretty clear idea of how they tried to how deep in our government is the infection well this is where it gets tricky too is because now

we get into border politicians, right? We get into like, why does the state of Texas have a specific task force along the U.S.-Mexico border to deal with public corruption, right? Why? Because there's public corruption. So if you have political leaders along the border

and those political leaders along the border have relationships in Mexico and have, you know, with Mexico's major political parties being diplomatic, right? Even if they don't realize it, if those political parties, like we talk about AYende, we talked about Coelah and the mass graves and the burning of 500 summit people in Aende. Right. So the governor who allowed that to happen didn't go to the UN about it, right?

He allowed it. That governor left there and then became the head of a major political party in Mexico, right? PRI. And so what do U.S. politicians do is they try to engage. in diplomacy and and get along with Mexico's major political parties, right? So that's a mechanism by which those criminal organizations, those paramilitary, now there's some of them, many of them are considered foreign terrorist organizations. That's the mechanism by which they influence U.S. policies, right? And U.S. politics. So I think most of the U.S. politicians who are

doing the bidding of these cartels, I don't think they think of it that way. They're not like getting an envelope full of cash under the table. Probably some along the border are. Some of them have recently been indicted for envelopes full of cash, even though they defend themselves and say, well, I'm not corrupt. It's like, well, we'll see. You know, I think you might be. Because we hear that stuff. I mean, obviously, you know this, how this works. You can't, you can't it's why that people like you and I can sometimes have a disadvantage over everyone on social media, right? Because they can hear a rumor and they can report it. They can report the rumor on their Twitter account, right?

Or X account, whatever it's called. I still call it Twitter. I'm going to, I say Twitter X or whatever. But they can report it on their Twitter account. I can't, right? I have to fact check it. I have to develop other sources. And I have to make sure it's true because if I, if I say that,

and it's not true, I'm getting sued, you know? And then my insurance goes up, and then the marketability of this, which is already a difficult thing to market, because, and you probably know this as well, advertisers don't like their ad on a story that has pictures of dead bodies. They don't like it.

Well, it's hard to think of, you know. But so what do you do? Yeah. So what you do is, what Breitbart is, we open a news foundation, we go to a nonprofit model, like for this particular vein of stories because we're publishing these horrendous photos that everyone gets mad at us for publishing.

And we're not making money off the photos, you know? It's just we're trying to show the world. Okay, in Syria, when the U.S. government, and I think the intelligence community was really pounding the drum through our mainstream media outlets that we needed to be involved in Syria, right? We needed to arm these al-Qaeda groups in Syria

to be our friends. there was this image of this, I believe it was a little boy, a little child who was on a shore, right? Like, remember that? Do you remember the dead body? And it was all over Twitter, and it was all over CNN, and it was all over the Washington Post, and it was all over all of the outlets who intelligence communities like to leak to. And so I had a picture of a little migrant child who, again, it was the back of the migrant child dead in this river. It's horrible. and I published it. I said, well, why is that,

why does that bother you so much? Why are you willing to go to war? Right? Because you see the image of this dead child in Syria, but not when you see the image of this dead Mexican child or Honduran child on our border, right?

And I got kicked off Twitter for it. I got banned for a while because I published this image. Oh, this is, yeah, okay, got it. Yeah, this is pre-Musk. And they were like, you have to delete it, or we're not gonna let you get back on Twitter, you know? And I said, but this isn't fair.

And like, well, that's the rules. I'm like, but you're allowing this issue. You have a different set of rules for that war than you have for the war on our border, the Mexico drug war. You have a different set of rules. And like, well, you can debate that, but you're not getting back on Twitter

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who that's what people say people say well are you safe or though sometimes people are you have so much courage i'm like no i don't i really don't like I have guns, you know? I have guns and skills and I live in West Texas, right? I live in rural West Texas where I feel pretty safe. But these people, like we talked about earlier, listen to this, they don't have firearms, right? They can't call 911 because the local police are, in fact, working with the cartels, right? The cartel who controls their territory. Yet they write for us every day, They send us reports. We publish under a pseudonym, right?

And imagine that. They go to bed at night. They have no mechanism to defend themselves. That's courage, right? That's the courage. In this equation, it's not us, it's them. And that's what their lives are like. And some of them are actually work for mainstream news organizations

whose names you would know. but they're not allowed to write what they want to write because they get killed or their editors would get killed, right? So they instead publish under pseudonyms. How can I help get the word out on this? This right here. This is great. Just this is great. I'd appreciate it.

Look at our work. You know, what I do and my team does. You just go to brightbart.com. Brightbart.com. Slash border. border. My Twitter is a great way. Like I send everything out. Brandon Darby

by the way. Yes, sir. And just to care. You know, pray about it. Pray about it. Make sure that, you know, you're informed. And when you talk to whomever you know in the administration or when you talk to if someone listening goes to a town hall event with a local

political leader, ask them to ask them about it. You know, don't do gotcha because they might not know, but tell them this matters to you. Do you I think we solve this? I think we can. Can we solve it? I think we can, I think we can do a lot.

Like, you know, okay. So in Mexico, there tends to be this interesting double standard, right? With logic, double logic. When it comes to their drug war, they blame the United States supply for their demand for firearms, right? You know? And when it comes to drugs, they don't blame these Ruth, drug dealers for for the drug war they blame America for running it the most the weakest most you know mentally health challenged people in our country right they blame them for

their need for the for the demand right so on one hand they blame the demand and on the other hand they turn around and when it benefits them they blame they blame the supply right you know so I kind of take a a middle ground on that and I say well Sometimes the supply promotes demand, right? And yes, demand has to be there for the supply to function as well, right? So it's both. Do I think we can get to a place where we have fewer people dying of fentanyl? A lot fewer people dying of fentanyl in this country?

Yeah, I do. Do I think we can get to a place where any time someone raises, their head and starts trying to be a big shot in Mexico in supplying that fentanyl or drugs to our country that they die and they know not to do it, I think we can. But I think it's going to take, it's going to take the Trump administration really ramping it up, and they are ramping it up, but ramping it up more quickly than they are.

They're going to have to, because what do we have? We have, how long do we have till midterms, like right now? Year. A year. Just over. And so they're going to need to really accomplish the bulk of things in this next year because we don't know what Americans, you know, are going to choose at that point and how difficult things might become.

Should we say to Mexico, our State Department is going to say what we did in Cuba. Sorry, no travel to Cuba, no travel to Mexico. Okay. So this is where things get really tricky, is in a way we can do. that with Mexico. We can play hardball, but you have to remember that China is courting Mexico. So when Mexico's nationwide telecommunications, right, it wasn't a U.S. company who got the contract. It was Huawei. It's China. China would love to have a proxy on our border, right? So we have to balance that. So what I advocate is just to consistently use the intelligence.

community to get these people. Get them, take them out, doesn't even have to really risk U.S. life because we can get, there are plenty of people in Mexico, even if the Secretary of Defense is unwilling to get Minchot. There are plenty of people in Mexico who are willing to, you understand this. And I suggest that that's what we do. I suggest we treat them like we're dealing with Al-Qaeda, not the entire country, right? But when it comes to these people, We have the intelligence. A hundred percent. I know for a fact that we do.

You know, one of the weirdest things about being in my position is that about half of the information I come across, I make public. But half of it is, there's really no public. I'm going to ruin someone's investigation, right? Like if someone says, oh, this cartel boss is going to be here, is supposed to be here on this date, according to one of his body. guards, right? Well, what am I going to do with that? What I'm going to do with that? I'm going to share it with people. I'm going to share it with law enforcement. I'm going to say, hey, you don't become me in this position and not have some, you know, friendly relations with people in different agencies, Border Patrol, like CBP, like, you know, all of the agencies are

someone I know or can talk to. And I'm very open about that. Like if about half the information, maybe a little less than half, there's no public value in sharing that the head of this particular cartel is going to be here in a week. But there is value in sharing that with law enforcement. And that's what I'll do. Like, I have no qualms about that. The United States ever come to you and said, hey, can we be briefed? Can you talk to us confidentially?

All the time. All the time. All the time. Under the last administration tool? Mm-hmm. Really? Yeah. You have a member.

So my history. and all this started. And nowadays, it's a bad thing to bring up. But at the time, I was very proud of what I had done. Many, many years ago, like in 2007 and eight, nine, I had worked undercover as an operational source with the FBI in far left circles, right? I had come from that community of people. And I had worked undercover with them in that capacity.

I worked on issues with Palestinian issues, right? Like people who were trying to hurt Israelis, people who were trying to hurt Americans. I was very proud of it. And what happened was when I, these people tried to firebomb the 2008 R&C, Republican National Convention. And I got to play a small role in stopping that. But I was testifying. And when I, when my name came out, the New York Times, NPR, this American, like I had, I was so attacked for having helped the government against the peace community.

The story wasn't that the peace, this far left groups like spawned bomb plots. The story was that somebody betrayed their trust or something. And that's how I was found by Andrew Breitbart. That's how he found me is he got a hold of me through some circuituitous way and said, hey, thanks for what you did. can you come and work with me and tell your story? And I was like, sure, and I did. That's how I got into this. So you don't, you know, you have relationships of people you can talk to.

And I know nowadays that's considered bad. They're like, wait, what? And I was very proud of that. You know, my mother was very, rest of her soul, she was proud of what I was doing. It was just that like all the folks in media seemed to hate me. And then when I, when I, when I, when I, tell somebody it makes everybody else uncomfortable. I know this.

And I know that you know what this feels like. But at the time, in that, you know, 2007, 2008, 2009, their, you know, social media was just growing. And if the media were attacking you and they weren't reporting your comments back, you had no voice. And then, you know, Andrew's doing his thing. You're doing your thing. Like everybody's doing their thing and starting to build this movement, even though some of us are so different. and there's all types of, you know, human calamities that happen in that process. But that's what we've done is we've basically, all together, we've built this,

and you take a leadership role in that, building this entire movement where the other side of America has a voice to. Yeah. You know, where CNN and the New York Times and whoever can attack this law enforcement officer for using force, but. So is that what you're doing? really on this is taking these journalists and making sure they have a voice.

That's all it is. Glenn, I used to focus on the far left, right? And that's what I would focus on. And media's biased toward them, right? Like kind of the Chardonnay sipping revolutionaries who would support their more radical counterparts and all that.

And at some point, I said to myself, I said, you know, this is the right thing to do. What I'm doing is good. But it's also, it also satiates that part of me that wants revenge. because these people wronged me so badly. And I don't wanna live in that. You know, like I don't wanna feel,

I don't wanna live like that. Yeah. So I was running a shelter at the time for human trafficking victims. And I began to realize that a lot of the people who were coming to the shelter, there were people who were ultimately gonna testify against groups.

And I'm like, well, why are they testifying against these low level guys when they're these guys in Mexico who are the bosses and nothing's happening to them, right? That's how this all started. And so when I started the border project, I was just trying to comprehend, like,

how is this possible that there are these people in Mexico who are behind all these awful things and they get away with it, right? Like, why don't we do something? That's how this started. So this thing, this bringing a voice, it turns out it's an American's best interest that people in Mexico have a voice, right?

These affected communities. But it's also in their best interest that they have a voice. It's everyone's best interest that there's more voices. Except for the cartels and those on the take. Right. Right. But let's be real. Like, they're not, I'm Brandon.

I have relationships, right? Some small degree of attention and notoriety on what I do. You have a much larger degree. They're not going to kill you. They can't. They would be decimated, destroyed. you can talk back. You can say something about them.

But the people there, like we just talked about, they can't. They need people like me, and ultimately people, more important, people like you. Doubt it.

To be that voice. Well, this is something I felt passionately about for a long time in what happened on the border in the last five years. For people not to understand how

evil that was. And we just threw money and opportunity, not to the people of Mexico, money and opportunity to all of these cartels. And I don't know what the right thing to do is, but I hope we just wipe them from the face of the earth. I mean, set Mexico free. There's no reason. You know, we're on the same continent. There's absolutely no reason. We live this way and they live that way. if it had natural resources and everything else. It's just corruption. And unfortunately, we were headed in that direction deeply. But deeply.

But gosh, we have an opportunity to help and to help ourselves too. I mean, it's got to stop. Everyone's best interest, except for those. Except for... Cartels. And that's fine. But it's in Americans' best interests. it's in Mexican's best interest.

It's in the whole world's best interest. And it's in the best interest of that guy. You talked about that is sitting on the border. He doesn't have a job. He just doesn't want his sisters to be raped. It's in his best interest, too. He's not too far gone yet. Mexico is full of beautiful people, and it's full of resources.

It's, they could have a really good situation, right? It's a stratified. They could have an economy. of me that that blessed everyone there right and i don't mean that in a socialist way i just mean that you know you get it they could have a really good situation but they need a little help and the people in charge there are are in a situation where they're preventing that help right we can't treat mexico we're not dealing with canada we're not dealing with the united kingdom we're not dealing with France. We're dealing with a failing. It's not failed yet, but it's considered a fragile

narco state. That is what we're dealing with. And if we continue to try to deal with them like we're dealing with France or the UK, we're not going to have success. We have to treat them like a fragile narco state. We have to deal with them accordingly. As we treat other narco or terrorist run straights, Now it is technically considered a terrorist ruin. Cartel Alisco, CJ&G has a lot of power. They have control. They have relationships with the current Secretary of Defense. Now he's a foreign terror terrorist.

His organization is a foreign terror organization. Which means we no longer have to tell the Secretary of Mexico's defense. What did we do with Osama bin Laden? Did we inform all of, and go through all the appropriate channels to take Osama? Of course we didn't, because they were protecting him. Yes. And that's, I think, where we are with Mexico. Thank you for everything that you're doing.

Please stay safe and stay close to God. It is, you need all the divine protection and everybody around you needed a well. But I think you're the only one that I have met in my entire career that takes this true. seriously and has dedicated their life to it. So thank you. Thank you, Glenn. Appreciate it. Just a reminder, I'd love you to rate and subscribe to the podcast and pass this on to a friend so it can be discovered by other people.