The Glenn Beck Program - Fauci Pleads the 5th to Sen. Paul: What Is He Afraid Of? | Guest: Annie Jacobsen | 7/29/26

Episode Date: July 29, 2026

Glenn starts the show by discussing Dr. Anthony Fauci invoking the Fifth Amendment during the Senate Homeland Security Committee hearing, led by Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.), when asked about the origins of the COVID-19 pandemic. Glenn rants about Fauci's arrogance and the cover-up being done to keep Fauci from jail. How did Dr. Fauci's private diary entries get released? Glenn explains how Fauci's diaries became public and lists some of the most explosive revelations from them. Glenn asks the ultimate question regarding Fauci and COVID-19: What are they hiding? Glenn discusses the rise of Flock cameras and lays out the good and the bad that come from installing these cameras across the country. Are Flock cameras the beginning of America becoming a surveillance state? Glenn and Jason discuss what we know, if anything, about Iran as the conflict continues to progress. Annie Jacobsen, author of "Biological War: A Scenario," joins to discuss how close we are to biological warfare in light of the recent hearing over COVID-19 and gain-of-function research. Glenn and Annie also discuss how we can end gain-of-function research once and for all.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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And it is refusal to admit error that destroys trust. The loss of trust may be your most damaging legacy. Now, he made it clear, at least to me, Jason, I'd love to hear your opinion on this. To me, when he was talking, made it clear, I'm not. going after prosecution. We just want answers. We have to know because history needs to know.

We have to make sure that this doesn't happen again. And then we had the co-chair from the Democrats. He started speaking and what did he say? Do we have any clips? BJ, do we have anything from him? No. Basically

what he said was you know, Rand Paul is just after him, wants to put him in jail. He's been you know, persecuting this honest man, a civil servant. Meanwhile, we've got, you know, our government under Donald Trump firing people in the NIH. You mean the people who are shredding documents? Those people that were fired? Yeah.

People that were involved in some of this. Yeah, they were fired. And you could see the outline of what was coming. And then Fauci, well, before I get into what Fauci is doing, I think we need a quick reminder. of the Bill of Rights and the Fifth Amendment. Here's our song from Torch. Now in this song, you will hear that

and leave it run, BJ, you'll hear in this song that it says it doesn't mean that you're guilty. In this case, I think it does. It doesn't mean that you're guilty. You have a right to protect yourself. your silence doesn't mean your guilt. You're emitting guilt.

Listen. Shine in my face like on TV. I take a breath. Stay calm because it's my right. His hands were shaking like crazy. A couple hundred years ago, things got pretty great. They'd tear your guilt and you know I so confess right now we're playing. But 55 delegates said that's,

not our way. Your words and thoughts are really yours and shouldn't put you away. Not today. I'll keep my, because my silence is my choice. So Fauci says he doesn't have to say a thing. He's pleading the fifth. So every question, even,

do you have a red folder in front of you on your decks, sir? On the advice of my attorneys, I plead the fifth. Okay. So, and Rand Paul said, I'd just like it to be read into the record that he's pleading the fifth. Let's join a little bit of this hearing, because you'll hear. Who's a CRISPR scientist at MIT also wrote about this gain of function. I implore every scientist funder and nation working in the field. Please stop.

No more trying to discover or make pandemic capable viruses. No more experiments likely to disseminate blueprints, for plagues. Dr. Fauci, would you like to at least answer this one question for us today and let us know whether or not you've changed your mind on whether or not the benefits of gain of function research outweigh the risks?

On the advice of counsel, I respectfully declined to answer based upon my rights under the Fifth Amendment to the Constitution. The chairman has denied your assertion of privilege and directed you to answer them, but you nonetheless refuse and stand on privilege despite the existence of the pardon. The committee will have to consider after this hearing what appropriate action should be taken against you for the failure to testify after being directed to do so. It's against the law to obstruct an investigation of Congress.

There will be repercussions to your refusal to testify today. Senator Peters. Wow, I've never heard that before. You're not recognized. You're not recognized. You're not recognized. If you're or unruly you will be removed from the proceeding. You are not, you are not recognized, and you are not recognized, sir. Sir, you are not recognized. You are not recognized. Security, we'll hold off.

But you will respect these proceedings. You were told not to sit at the table. You insist on sitting at the table. That's his lawyer. And we told you you would not be recognized. You are not invited here for testimony, sir. you are being disruptive. Would you behave this way in a courtroom?

No, because the judge would put you in jail. I can't do that today, but I can have you escorted from the premises. So I would say, sir, sit quietly and don't say another word. I said sit quietly, you are not recognized. Another word and you're gone. So, Mr. Chairman, I'd like to hear. I've never seen anything like this. He is not recognized by the committee or the chair.

If he speaks again, he will be removed from the room. This testimony is from Anthony Fauci. This is not a game with his lawyers. He can advise. His lawyers can give him advice. He's got a half dozen here. They're all allowed to talk to him. Yes.

All right? But the attorneys are not recognized. In fact, the attorney was told not to sit at the table, and he's not obeying that recommendation. There's a row behind you, sir. That's where you were told to sit, and you're not. And now you're disrupting the proceedings. And so, look, this is the way Anthony Fauci wants to be remembered. for a lawyer not listening to the rules.

That's the way you want to be remembered, and that's what you're going to do. You are not recognized, sir. Remove him. I've never seen anything like this. This is so sad. I was scripted. You think so?

Why do you say that, Jason? Let the record state that Dr. Fauci will still have the advice of the other half a dozen attorneys that you brought long today. Senator Peters. Part of the image. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The COVID-19 pandemic is not the first

or the last public health crisis to impact our nation. He's about true. He's about image. In December 2020, I released a report that identified significant failures in our federal government's preparedness and initial response to COVID-19. This report contained 17.

initial response. That would be Trump. A large report, which I have right here. It contains 17 key findings and corresponding recommendations, including the need to invest in sustainable domestic manufacturing capabilities for critical medical supplies.

I agree with that. Needed to surge testing capacity for infectious diseases and robustly fund public health emergency preparedness and responses across all levels of government. There is no T in a cross. multiple administrations, including the current government administration,

have failed to fund or to reform our health preparedness. This is something that I would hope the committee in the future would investigate. It needs to be taking a look at it. It also feels like a new public health threat is hitting us every month. There's a foodborne parasite affecting thousands of people in Michigan and across the country. and our federal agencies still haven't fully pinned down the source of that outbreak. Measal cases. It was the country at the highest they've been in 35 years.

Wet market. More children are getting sick and even hospitalized from this preventable disease. Over a thousand people have died from the Ebola virus in Africa. And we don't know how widespread this crisis actually is. Wait. This administration is. We have a hunter virus scare on a cruise ship, and though it hasn't made headlines in the way that the screw worm. Hunt a virus, wasn't a hunter virus, wasn't? And so he's lying about this.

And how is this administration getting blamed for Ebola? It's been going on for a long time. You know, I- Since January of 2025, the Trump administration has taken a number of actions to drastically weaken our ability to fight infectious diseases and biological threats that endanger America. Okay. Okay, stop. This hearing has nothing to do with the fighting of biological threats. Does it, Jason? This hearing was all about, were we helping make a biological threat? Here's why this is really important. Under President Nixon, he said, no more. No more. We cannot, having biological weapons is against international law. You're not supposed to have them. And so what he left this window open for was, okay, but we can do research to find cures for biological threats. But that's not what Fauci was doing.

Fauci was taking things and saying, hey, what if this happened? What if this was mixed with this and this and then it could kill people? well but you don't have any you're making the weapon you're making it it didn't happen naturally didn't happen and then it gets out this is why we have Annie Jacobson on today she has a new book out on biological threats and it's terrifying it's terrifying um and i think and i don't know this for sure but in listening to her uh you know i started listening to the book yesterday because it just came out yesterday. And I'm three chapters in.

And she is thorough in her research. And I get the impression that she is very concerned that a biological weapon is going to be used. And a biological weapon will kill half of us in a slow, horrible way. And it could be three quarters. Could be a quarter. Could be half. the estimates are a real biological weapon will kill half to three quarters of the population. Slow and agonizing.

What are we actually doing? How much of a role are we playing in this? You know, the problem with Fauci, and you see it with his diary, the guy is so unbelievably arrogant. Do you have the thing about him and Julia Roberts? I don't have the video on it, but that was absolutely ridiculous. So explain what happened. He did, I guess, an interview or whatever. I don't know if Julie Roberts was having a podcast or something.

But she clearly, she's clearly fan-boying on Fauci. And later, Fauci writes in his diaries that, you know, sorry Richard Gear, looks like she had the hots for me. Clearly he fan girls on her or however you want to say it. He loved, loved the celebrity attention. And that is a consistent thing throughout his entire thing. He is an egomaniac. He's an egomaniacal kind of guy.

And anybody when, see this whole, this whole hearing, you know what this is really about? Can somebody say no to the president of the United States? And that president isn't Trump. That president is Barack Obama. Barack Obama said no more of this biological research. None of it. None of it. Stop it. And Fauci and his cronies were pitching this very virus.

They tried to get DARPA to fund research for the virus that was released accidentally. Oh, it might be from the wet market, the exact, exact disease that they were trying to get DARPA to fund. And DARPA said, no, this is way too dangerous. and the president said no. Fauci felt, well, you know what, I don't have to listen to the president. He doesn't know science like I know science. This is important. We have to know this.

And so, and so the charges. And I mean, look, if this was in a court of law outside of Washington, D.C., this guy would go to prison for a very long time. The evidence is really truly overwhelming. It was overwhelming three years ago, four years ago, when we did our first special. As COVID is just starting to break, we're showing the cover up of Anthony Fauci. And we've showed you all of this stuff six months into it. And it is absolutely stunning when you see it.

So now we have a guy who is just, in my opinion, responsible for killing millions of people. not that he did it directly himself, but he allowed it to happen. And then he covered it up. And now he's not going to pay any price. No price for this. Why is that a problem? I'll give you the answer here in 60 seconds. First, let me tell you about our sponsor.

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I stand by all of those answers. You can't, you can't, you're obstructing justice. however he can't say those things because there's so much evidence out there he knows if he says anything what's going to happen his pardon is no good anymore at least not for these crimes that he would have been committing today so that's why his hands were shaking now why is this important why did rand paul open up and say look we just want to know the truth we just want to know the truth And I think he was really disarming at the beginning because I looked at Jason. I said he's not going for a conviction.

When Rand Paul was talking, he's not going, he's not going for a conviction. Now maybe that was all theater because he knew in advance, he's going to plead the fifth. But he wasn't going for conviction here. He wants, as he said, we have to restore trust. when you can deny the president of the United States out of arrogance, I know better because I am science. When you can do that, what happens with the next guy? Anthony Fauci, by not having to answer these questions, has made our government much more dangerous. We all know this. Look at what they did to us.

Look how they locked us down. Look how they used the media. Look how they lied to us about how many people died. How many people died? And I mean how many people died from the vaccine? How many? Did you know that in 2021, about five months after he gets his shot, Anthony Fauci gets a phone call from a radiologist at Sibley Hospital in Washington

because he had bad chest pains a couple of days before? So he goes in for a scan and the radiologist said, It looks like there's a lesion in your lower lobe, and I think it's cancer. Well, it turns out it wasn't cancer. A pulmonologist re-read the film. What he had, well, I'll tell you next. First, let me tell you about Patriot Mobile. Picking up a phone.

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Now we know this from the diaries. How did we get the diaries? Rand Paul released his private diaries. No, no. Anthony Fauci was dumb enough to write his diaries on public servers. He wrote them on government servers. Those are now government property. It was JF or RFK Jr.

that found them on the servers, and he released them to Rand Paul. Rand Paul then said, well, they're public. So release them all. We find this out. This little piece, we find out now this week,

that he goes to the hospital in Washington. He goes in for a scan because he said, he's never felt pain like this before. He has pain in his chest. He's worried maybe it's a heart attack. Hmm. Now, he had. just gotten publicly his shot for the, the coronavirus.

Okay, he gets his, he gets his shot that's definitely going to stop it from. You're never going to have to worry about it again. Anyway, so the radiologist does something because he's Anthony Fauci that he, no radiologist would ever do. You ask a radiologist, what do you see? The radiologist always says nothing, because he's not a doctor. He's a radio, nothing, nothing. I don't know.

You have to talk to your doctor. The doctor will give you that. Okay, so the radiologist looks at it and he says there's a lesion in your lower lobe and I think it's cancer. So he writes in his diary that he felt like he was hit by a Mack truck. Turns out it wasn't cancer. What was it? A pulmonologist re-read the film. What Fauci had was a pulmonary infarck.

Wait, what? What is that? What is that piece of lung tissue that died because of clut? a clot cut off his blood supply. Wow. Now, wait a minute. Hang on. At that moment, he's the most visible advocate for the COVID vaccine on the planet. He had taken his first dose on live television, and then he has this pulmonary infarck and doesn't say anything. Now, the diary doesn't say the vaccine caused the clot.

Fauci never wrote that. Robert Kennedy and Dr. Peter McCullough made this connection this week on the basis of timing and the fact that clotting events. and the fact that clotting events appear on federal list of rare adverse effects, but the CDC does not list a pulmonary infarction among the common side effects of MRNA vaccines. And also, just to be fair, Anthony Fauci is 80 in June of 2021, 80-year-old men's, they throw clots. If you tried to prove causation in a courtroom on that evidence, you'd lose. And you'd probably deserve to lose. So I'm not saying it is caused by the COVID vaccine.

What I am telling you is what's left standing there? A man telling 300 million Americans that adverse events were vanishingly rare, had an event in his own lung and got quietly treated by some of the best physicians in the country, didn't disclose it. Not to the press, not to the parents he was asking to vaccinate their 12-year-olds. he wrote it down in a private notebook and kept walking to the podium telling everybody, including 80-year-olds, you got to get this. That's not a medical question. That's a character question.

And the rest of the diary answers all of those questions. In May of 2020, he writes, he's the most famous and talked about person in the country. And there are pages and pages about the actors and the comedians. There's an entry about a phone call from Barbara Streisand. There were entries where he calls Rand Paul Stupid for asking about the NIH royalty payments, which we proved in our special. What was the name of the special? The cover up, COVID cover up?

Yeah, I think so. It's available right now at glenbeck.com. You should go back and watch it. We proved those payments. We showed you. The payments were going to the Federal Reserve. Why? What was happening?

We made a partnership. before the coronavirus. And then he writes in his diary in 2022. After the midterms, he says, wow, good thing. The midterms turn out this way. Paul's not going to be able to haul me into hearings anymore. And then something else. On January 26, 2020, five weeks before the World Health Organization would use the word pandemic,

Fauci wrote privately that the first infection was in early December and was not connected to the wet market. Now, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. Did you know that? Because I didn't know that. I knew that was true, that it was true not connected to the wet market because we showed you in our special.

We showed you what was happening and that Fauci knew what was happening in that lab in December. Really, I think it started in September, didn't it, Jason? It was September, October, but it really started to show first signs of this is deadly in late November, early December.

Okay. Then he goes on to say that the wet market was the amplifier. Well, why would it be the amplifier? If it's not the source, what is the source and how is the wet market? Well, the Wuhan lab is right there by the wet market. So that would make sense if it came from the lab. But go find publicly what he was saying, that spring. ring. None of this. Okay, so let me tell you exactly what I believe. And let me be precise about the

word believe because I can't prove it in court. This is not a courtroom. We have the documents. I've made a very powerful argument. I think if I was in a courtroom, I would win. But that's not the way our system works. Okay. I believe that Anthony Fauci approved gain of function research. and he knows exactly how that is defined. Once he redefined it in front of Congress, he went back and they changed it on the NIH website to fit his description of what gain of function is. I believe he did it because he's arrogant enough

to conclude the work was too important for the law to stop him and he found a way to route the money and let him say later that it wasn't technically what everybody knows it exactly was. Wuhan was sloppy. Something went wrong in the fall of 2019. People started getting sick shortly after, and I believe it was the cover-up that followed. That's not a theory.

The cover-up is documented. The last part is an opinion. In April, a federal grand jury indicted Dr. David Morin's, that's Fauci's closest aid for nearly two decades, on five counts, including conspiracy and destruction of, federal records. The indictment describes Morin's moving conversations off government email specifically to defeat the

freedom of information request. It names Peter Dasek of EcoHealth Alliance, the outfit that passed NIH money to the Wuhan Institute of Virology. It lists them as a co-conspirator along with another guy from Boston University.

51 years of theoretical exposure. That case is live right now. And the question that I just can't get past is, if there's nothing there, what were they hiding? You don't route correspondence through Gmail to protect science. You don't shred documents, as it was pointed out again today. Anthony Fauci, his assistant, is on record shredding documents.

Why would you do that? You don't do that. Unless you're trying to assure that a grantee, their name doesn't turn up in a FOIA production to protect science or to protect yourself. Okay? That's exactly what was going on. And I'll tell you where the case is thin. There is no proven link between the coronavirus work at the lab and the outbreak. There are really credible opinions, including that the CIA briefed,

Fauci early on saying it came from the lab. And then he never said anything about it, including the fact that he early on said it came from the lab. Everybody on his team, there was 13 people in the room, everybody except two said it came from the lab. We always heard it was the opposite. It was just a minority. No, the majority of everybody said it came from the lab.

And then he and Peter Dasak went to work. people started getting grants when they suddenly came out and said, no, it didn't come from the lab. And most of the fight over is gain of function. And that's just about a definition at this point. Okay. Does this experiment meet the exact federal language? That definitional gap is exactly how he has survived eight rounds of this. The diaries strengthen the conduct of his case enormously, enormously.

But they don't close the order. origins case. And if I didn't tell you this, you should know that I would be selling you something. It doesn't. But it's a strong case. So I think this morning, he's listening to his lawyers, his six lawyers let him know. You could either just repeat exactly what you said before, but there might be able to get you into lying, which would put you in prison because they now have the evidence that what you said was a lie. So you really have one move left. Well, two, you could say, I don't remember. I don't recall and look like an old man that just doesn't remember anymore. And you could be remembered for that. Or you could look defiant. And you could make this whole case look like

that this Rand Paul is just after me. And I'm just this simple public servant. And he's after me. And we'll stage a little thing at the very beginning where he's going to force me to get out because I've already been told I can't sit at the table with you. That's not the way this works. Blah, blah, blah. And so he'll force me out and that'll only make it stronger. I can guarantee you that's what he took. He took the one move to look like the victim and plead the fifth.

And John, you laid this out. It's almost arithmetic the way this works. A pardon covers what he said and did before it was signed. A knowing false statement under oath today is a brand new federal crime. And the auto pin can't reach that one. Every time he pleads the fifth, however, remember he says it with a thousand pages of his own handwriting sitting on the table right in front of him. A man who never expected anyone to read it, wrote down who he actually was and what he was really doing. And for the first time today, he was asked to sit in a room.

where we all know exactly who he is. It's a sad day for the Republic because you don't have an honest search for truth on the other side. The facts are so clear on this. And what you have is you have big state. It's not Democrats. It's big state. Anybody who is for the big state, anybody who is like, look, we're going to have to do things that we have to do. And, you know, if things get tough, we have to.

to have all of the tools in our hands. We have to be able to say, you're not doing that or you go to jail. You have to do this. You have to take this vaccine or you're going to be a pariah. We have to be able to say to the media. No, you do these things. If they start pulling on this thread,

you're going to see all of the crimes that were committed. At least crimes against your rights. Crimes against the Bill of Rights. And the media is not covering. any of this because they were cohorts in it. They were just as responsible. It's a sad day for the Republic

because if you don't correct this, if somebody doesn't pay, the next guy who is just as arrogant goes, well, Fauci got away with it. Do you know why Hitler knew he could get away with exterminating the Jews?

Turkey. Oh. Turkey. Turkey. The Turks, went in and they rounded up and they slaughtered all of the Armenians. Just slaughtered them. And the world said nothing. And Hitler said at the time, the world doesn't care. If you slaughter the right people, the world doesn't care.

He knew then I could get rid of the Jews. If the world would have cared about the Armenians, maybe Hitler would have known they'll care about the Jews too. That's the point of this hearing. This is not about get him. It's not about any of that. It's about making sure this can't happen again. And you don't set a precedent for somebody who is even crazier than Anthony Fauci.

No, when the president says you're not doing it, you're not doing it. And when it happens, you better tell the truth. I wouldn't have had a problem without Fauci. I would have had a problem to some degree, but not like I do now. If he would have said, yeah, I did this. I thought it was the right thing. they were a sloppy deal and yeah, I am responsible. Not entirely, but I have to admit I played a role.

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Some are saying this is nothing but a show. And Rand Paul is only after him because he hates Fauci. No, I think Rand Paul is probably the only guy that has this really right. And Fauci is truly, and I don't use this lightly, I think he's truly a monster of a human being. He is really what he has done in his life with this. and the way he is behaved. He cares more about himself

than the millions that died. And I don't, you know, we're never going to put him in prison. Nothing's ever going to happen. But if we don't get to the bottom of this, this will happen again. And we'll grow a bigger monster than Fauci. This is really not good. Now, I want to talk about something else.

You know, we learn about the Fifth Amendment under Fauci because that's what he is saying. Doesn't mean that he's guilty. And this means I have a right to not speak. the Eighth Amendment, we're going to get to, if we have time today, but probably tomorrow, Eighth Amendment now has three different cases on it, and that's cruel and unusual punishment. And the Fourth Amendment is also in the news today. Our problems all stem from us not understanding our amendments and allowing them to be violated over and over again.

And the Fourth Amendment argument is big because we're talking about flock cameras. flock cameras you know when you have cameras in a store in parking lots because Costco doesn't want bad things happening in their parking lot that's one thing but when you have flock cameras thousands of cameras all over the city and the police the sheriff

and the city are using it to spot crime and make assumptions quite honestly that's a real problem a real problem and we are creating a panopticon for ourselves a place where we

are always going to be monitored. And that only leads to bad things. So I want to talk to you a little bit about flock cameras because there's a good side to it. And that's what everybody who's trying to sell these cameras will tell you about. But there's a dark side that we also need to discuss. And in the end, you are going to be the one that decides. You may feel you're powerless, but you're not, especially on flock cameras.

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A deputy has a direction of travel before the owner finishes his coffee. Another one. Woman with dementia. There was a woman with dementia. They didn't find her body right here. I live right across the street from a reservoir in this canyon that my ranch is in. And it was snowy, really bad. Woman with dementia gets into her car and she's driving.

And she's trying to find her way home. She has no reason to be in this canyon. It's nowhere. This is not the direction of her home. has dementia. It's late at night. She drives off, you know, the road, a little cliff, and she goes into the water, and the car sinks into the water. Nobody knows it because it was in the middle of the night. Nobody knows where she is, has no idea until the thaws come, and then the water line starts to go down in the summer, and you start to see the car, and you're like, oh, dear God. And then, and then the water line. And

they pull her car and her out. It took months for anybody to know where she was. If you had a flock camera, the system would know. Families would have, you know, known maybe they, maybe they would have been able to stop her before she even got into this canyon. All right. Flock safety says it's technology supported by more than a million public safety investigations last year, assisted in 20% of solved cases where departments used it, helped locate more than 10,000 missing people. Now that's the company's own number, unaudited, so weigh it accordingly. But go tell the sheriff who found a missing child with one of the flock cameras that they

don't work. And you're going to lose the argument. And you should. It works. And nobody serious should say otherwise. It is great. But it has a dark side as everything does in today's world. The camera doesn't read the plate of a stolen truck.

It reads every plate. It reads yours on the way to work, yours on the way to church, yours on the way to the doctor, yours on the way to the lawyer, the gun store, the divorce attorney. And the newer ones don't stop at the plate. They log the make, the model, the color, the dent in your fender, the rack on your roof, the sticker in your back window. Some of them track people and faces, not just cars. And all of it drops into a searchable database and sits there for weeks. Now, one camera is a tool. 90,000 of them wired into a network across thousands of communities is not a tool.

It's a standing answer to a question nobody asked. And that question is, where has this person been for the last month? Now, you can talk about theoretical abuse, but let's talk about real stuff that is already happening. Officers in Georgia have been arrested over the misuse of the system. Police around the country have lost their jobs for running plate readers on women that they're interested in. Columbus officer ran immigration searches. Reporters found police using a search function to hunt for people by tattoo and t-shirt, not cars and people. In Los Angeles, the department's own inspector general flagged how often the system falsely flagged vehicles as stolen,

which means innocent drivers were going to. pulled over in California at gunpoint because the software misread a letter. So cities are starting to cancel this. More than 50 of them, 39 in the first five months of this year alone. Syracuse pulled 131 cameras off the polls. Denver let its contract lapse. Los Angeles let its expire. Then city after city, a different crew showed up and bolted a different camera onto the same

pole. Now it's Axon. This is the taser company, the body camera company. They're already sitting inside of those police departments. Denver cut the camera count in half, shortened the data retention from 30 days to 21, and called it a victory. Syracuse changed the vendors and kept the network. Security expert, Bruce Schneider, said, leaving a flock for Axton is like quitting. Banduel because you're addicted to it and joining draft kings. It's the same thing. Okay.

The problem is not the company. The problem is there is no rule. A contract gets renegotiated. A vendor will get swapped. Police chief retires. Counsel turns over. And every promise that protected you walks right out the door with that person leaving. The law is the only thing that survived.

the next election. If you're going to have flock cameras, you have to have law. Good news. We already have one. We've had it since 1791. In fact, BJ, do you have a little bit of the song from Torch 250? This is the song about the Fourth Amendment. You have it and play it if you have it. The Fourth Amendment is all about how you can't do these things. Listen.

Number four, it protects my rights. Do it right. Number four, protects your right. You've got to have a warrant. You have to have probable cause. Otherwise, leave me alone. There is no warrant. There is no warrant.

These flock cameras have no warrant. Warrants have to come from a judge. They're issued on probable cause. What's the probable cause of watching me all of, all of the time. You're not searching my place or my person by name, but I will tell you it's either the Third Amendment, which is watching you all the time through, you know, having somebody, you know, having military posted inside of your house, which is the Third Amendment,

or it's the Fourth Amendment. Where is your search warrant? How can you possibly search me? How can you possibly watch me all the time? Okay. The men who wrote the Fourth Amendment had lived under a piece of paper that let an officer search anyone he pleased. They could go in and just say, I don't need a warrant. I can search you.

I can haul your butt over here for anything I want. A camera that photographs every single car that passes it is a warrant. with no name on it. You know, I've been doing this, I've been doing this for years. I've been reading this stuff. I mean, I've been doing this job for 49 years. I've been reading this stuff about, you know,

the amendments for 25 years. This has happened before. I'm looking now for all the times that these things have happened before. Listen to this one. Did you know in August of 1945, days after the war ended, the ink is barely dry on the surrender?

Two men from the Army signals intelligence. went to New York and sat down with three companies that carried telegrams. It was Western Union, RCA, and I-T-T-T. And they said, we need a copy of every telegram going into or out of the United States. And the company said, yes. It ran for 30 years. Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, Nixon. At its peak, analysts were pulling 150,000 messages every month. without a warrant, not one court order.

That's the same as your car. Not one American knew what was happening. They called it Project Shamrock. So they're pulling all of these. There's nothing going wrong, but they're just watching the traffic. Okay. There was no law against it at the time. No law against it.

Nobody had written one. Because when it started, the technology was new. The war had just ended and everybody involved meant well. finally was exposed in 1975, the Senate dragged it into the daylight and investigators asked the retired deputy director whether reading Americans telegrams had been legal and he said,

I don't know, you'll have to ask the lawyers. That's the problem. So Congress wrote the law. The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act made the wholesale warrantless collection of raw telegrams, phone calls, everything else. It required a warrant to target an American. and that program ran three decades in the dark

and it died two years after somebody turned the light on. 30 years before anybody found out about it. Flock has been at this for seven. And we know. But that's the entire advantage. It has a shelf life. Knoxville County, the mayor there, Glenn Jacobs, I think. He looked at a plan for 270 cameras in his county,

funded by more than a million dollars in grant money? And he said, yeah, no, no. Not let's study it. No. His commission didn't ban them on Monday. They voted to keep arguing and come back next month. That's a fight, not a defeat. There's a, Tim Burchett is filing a bill in congressmen to stop federal agencies from buying or accessing the systems that track people.

Thomas Massey says he's going to file one to cut the federal dollars to departments that deploy them. Fifty-three cities already walking away. There is another response out there, and I have to tell you, I understand it, but people are now going out and they're vandalizing these flock cameras. That is really bad. A man in New Mexico just violated the, he was arrested for taking out 13 of these flock cameras and told the TV station when they got him, I do it again, and I get the anger. But a man with a crowbar doesn't change anything. That a purchase order can't undo by Friday.

You destroy them. You're only going to make the case for flock cameras even bigger. We got to get these hoodlums off of the streets. And they'll just go buy another one and replace it. Okay? You have to do something the next vendor can't undo, uninstall, replace, and the window's closing. So I'm going to tell you exactly if you're,

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Look, here's what's happening. The window is closing here because they're turning everything into infrastructure. There are now reports of cameras hidden inside what looks like ordinary speed limit signs. And the CEO who last year compared the people mapping his camera locations to terrorists spent this month apologizing for the word. But this is not a company in retreat. That's a company just waiting you out. Infrastructure is the hardest thing on earth to remove.

That's why I said you don't understand what Donald Trump is doing. By the way, I have to tell you about this phone call that Donald Trump called me yesterday. and I talked to him about this very thing. It's why when he says we have $18 trillion in infrastructure coming in, the money coming in, they're building factories. That's what he's doing. You don't remove factories, okay? Once the polls are up and the contracts renew on autopilot, the line autumn stops getting read out loud at meeting. It stops being a decision anybody makes and just starts being the weather.

Okay? three companies, one agency, no laws, 30 years, it ended. We did this before, but not because somebody smashed a telegraph office, but because citizens made the representatives write it down in plain English. This is what the government is, and this is what the government is not allowed to ever do. You still have that power. It just doesn't keep unless you reinforce it, unless you're going to your local community and your county commissioner. You ask your sheriff, how long is the data held? Who else can search it? Any federal agency ever run a query on my plate or anybody else's plate? Ask your state legislature why the law governing this was written before the smartphone existed. Ask this month, while it's still a debate, not a fixture. The Fourth Amendment says searches need a name on it. There's no name on flock cameras, which means the name is yours. You can't.

not allow this to happen. We are creating a panopticon. If you don't know what that is, look it up. It's fascinating. It seems like common sense. There were these prisons. The guy decided, if I build a round prison and all of the doors to all of the

jail cells surround the guard. I put the guards in the middle and they sit at a round desk and so they can see into every cell the entire prison is viewable at any given time. They said that was cruel and unusual punishment because people are not, they're not built to be monitored

all the time. That's why there's, there's no cameras in cells. It was cruel and unusual punishment. The Eighth Amendment. You're creating a panopticon by not, by going out and being violent. You're only going to make that worse. You've got to go to your city council meetings. You've got to organize and you have to pass a law that says either these are not allowed or they're allowed, but you can only keep the information for 10 days. And you've come up with really stringent. I want you to know, if you allow it to happen, it will be abused. The Surveillance Act, the one that stopped everybody reading everybody's telegram,

that's what the FISA courts. That's what the FISA courts are done for. All of that came out of this. they stop one thing and they say, we're going to stop them. We've got to have warrants. Yeah, but what if somebody overseas is connecting, you know, with a terrorist overseas?

Well, then we'll have a FISA court to do it because there got to be a warrant. And look how they abuse it. Once you open the door, they will abuse it. Flock cameras. That is double garage doors wide open. Close those doors. But it's only going to happen one community at a time. Make sure your community doesn't allow them.

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and I'm like, what I can't, what is my, my life is so weird. Mr. President, Glenn, I just wanted to say hello. So he's talking to me about several things. I just wanted to share one thing that he said. I asked him, I said, is it, is it, because I said it's, I know it's been a hard day for you today because of Lindsey Graham. And we talked about Lindsey Graham for a while and the meeting with Benjamin and Yahoo and yada yada, everything that happened yesterday. And he said, you know, but it's a tough job. It's a tough job. And I said, let me ask you, is it tougher to be

president or to run for president? And he said, hmm, that's a great question. Let me think. And he said, you know what, the first time it was harder to be president. He said, because I had no experience at it, and I didn't know where the hidden trap doors were, and I was surrounded by bad people.

And so I was hunted. And he said, so it was harder that time. He said, this time, I would say it's easier to be president, but this time, I'm not hunted. I'm the hunter.

And I thought, my gosh. He said, and there's some big game going to be brought down soon. I think you're going to be very excited. I was like, okay, Mr. President. All right. Nice talking to you. Anyway, so I don't know what. I mean, he is on it. He is on it. And I want to tell something else. I talked to him about, you know, this theory that I gave yesterday. So, Mr. President, people don't understand what you're doing. And I said, you really, I tried to explain it this morning, but, you know, really have to explain to people what you're doing. You're looking long term, et cetera.

And I'll go over that later, probably maybe tomorrow. If somebody will remind me, maybe I'll go in tomorrow on what he said. Because it's really important that our side understand the long-term game that he is playing. Now, let's talk about Iran. Because Iran is not, I mean, it is going the way I think. I think I've always thought it would, but I was very, very hopeful that it wouldn't go this way. And I shouldn't say it that way,

because I thought if it went poorly, we would be looking at $300 a barrel gas or $200 barrel gas, and it would collapse the world's economy. And that's not happening. In fact, gas went down again yesterday, didn't it? Oil went down. I was thinking gas went down a penny, I think, yesterday. And then there was strikes last night, so maybe it went back up, because now Saudi Arabia is getting involved.

And that was in Iran. Sorry, that was in Iraq, right? Jason, explain what happened with Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia and the U.S. did some kind of joint action. It was on proxy forces. And that's unusual, isn't it? It's kind of unusual that the Saudis got involved. It's unusual.

And I don't know. I guess it's not the norm of how the, how. the war has been progressing so far with most strikes being in in in uh in iran proper but there were yesterday well it was it a couple of days ago there was an attack from uh iran it was it came from kind of a remote area area within iran and uh they attacked in jordan military u.s military facilities in jordan now every single patriot intercepted the missiles i think they shot off like five missiles and we shot every single one of them down, but they targeted U.S. forces in Jordan. And this goes against the current pause and attacks.

Correct. Which is interesting because there was a lot of chatter that there were elements within or a faction within Iran that are pushing towards, you know, negotiations, more MOU-type stuff. There's another faction, and don't get me wrong, I think all of them are radicals. I think they're just split on how to deal currently with the situation. There are progressive radicals. And then there are, and I'm metaphorically, there are progressive radicals, and then there are

communist radicals. The communist radicals are the ones we're starting to see with the DSA, that they're coming out and they're saying, yeah, we don't agree with the free market. And we want to shut down the Senate and we're going to shut down the Supreme Court and we're going to do something entirely different. That's no longer, that's a progressive communist, somebody who has said, we've, we've done enough game playing here. We're close enough.

Just take it now. Yeah. And then there's the progressive radical. that is still there that is like, no, just slow down, slow down, slow down. We have them where we want, just buy more time. We're making slow progress, right? Yeah. That's the difference between the two radicals.

There's no good guy yet that has appeared. Right. And so, and I think that the action we took against those proxy forces in Iraq are probably aligned with the faction that are the, as Glenn put it, like, they're like the communist, Marxist radicals, the ones that want to do direct action right now. Yeah. That would be my guess. I think that the Trump administration, a couple of days ago, there was a report that we were

pausing to basically see, basically because we thought the economic damage we were doing was more effective than the military damage. So they want to see what, already in the dire straits that they are, to see what the blockade, the naval blockade and the rest of the sanctions and everything else is going on, how much that will push their government to implosion and see if that works faster than military strikes. Well, the problem is you're hurting the people with economic. You're really hurting the people with it because they'll be the last ones that the government cares about.

And they just executed one or two people, I think yesterday, right? Two people executed them for, you know, vocally coming against the current administration. A lot of people in this country would be dead if that were the rule. So they are still strong. arming their people to sit down and shut up. And it's a double-edged sword because if it's economic damage that we're inflicting on them, how long it may take, the rest of the world is also suffering economic damage. So I still, we are on a timeline with them.

We know through oil reserves and as we see oil prices tick up. And the oil reserve problem, did you read the story today? I think it's in show prep. If you don't get our daily show prep, you should. There's so much in there that we don't get to. But all of them are the stories that I and my. staff feel should be read, should be, we need to be aware of these stories, even we don't talk about them on the air, so read them. You can get it. It's free, glenbeck.com, just look for our free show

prep. But in there, there is a story, I think it's today, that was about how the strategic oil reserve, we are now at a place to where it is hurting the mechanisms of these giant caves. I'd love to, We should do a show on the strategic oil reserves and what they are. Because I've always thought of them in tanks, you know, but they're in giant caves a lot of these things. And the infrastructure is so old that when it gets down to a certain level, you're actually doing damage to the infrastructure. It's exactly what we said was going to be the problem with Iran. You know, they have to stop pumping at some point, but then that infrastructure decays and then you can't use it anymore. We're getting into that same situation.

Europe, I think, is already in that situation, and China is almost in that situation. I'd like an update on it's not good. I'd like an update specifically on the Iranian side, because I think we even had an expert on to talk about what that, what's not, them not being able to pump oil. What is that doing? Ricky, don't we have our Secretary of Energy on here in the next few days? Yeah, we are just working on timing, and I've already told the team we'd like to talk to him about the Strategic Petroleum Reserve. and where we're out with that. Okay, good.

That's what I want to know. Good. Yeah, what is that, how that works? Yeah, so thank you. Good. And I would like to know an update because remember everyone was saying that soon as that runs out, then they're in real trouble. What did they do? I'd like an update on that.

Somebody has to know. Yeah. Ricky, assign that to one of the producers to track that down. We'll get that story for you. So where do we stand today with Iran? Better, worse, about the same? I guess about the same. If you listen to a lot of people that analyze this right now, a lot of them are saying the same thing, which is, look, take a breath from military strikes.

Let's see what happens with inflation in Iran, the strength of the real. See what happens with that over the next few weeks as the naval blockade stays in force because they think that the economic damage will be a lot faster and forcing the implosion of it. The problem with that is, is they keep hitting. You know, we're only responding. We have stopped. And it's not like you can not respond. Yeah. Or can you?

Do you think that's wise to not respond? Well, I mean, the Iranians are also seeing news reports of us running out of Serp-ster missile interceptors. You believe that? Unitions in general. I don't know what to believe on it. I know it's not an infinite amount. So it is a finite amount.

So I don't know how many we have. But if they, to your point, though, if they continue to go to us, into using military action, that goes to their benefit if they can deplete us. So we now have, and this is not unusual, we now have Russia sending arms to... China. China's sending. No, Russia, Ukraine said Russia was sending arms, and now we have new information that China is also sending arms. So, you know, and that's what happened during the Cold War. It's a proxy war. You know, we're in a proxy war with Russia and China.

And that's not good. If we can keep it from a hot war. I mean, we've been here before, but we had mutually assured destruction holding at bay. And we have that with China. We have that with Russia. We don't have that with Iran. They're crazy. But the problem is if we sense weakness or sorry, if they sense weakness, if they believe our strategic oil reserve is almost empty tank,

which I believe it is, but if they believe that and they believe they don't have any more, just completely drain them of all of their military supplies. If they feel that they can drain us, then they will because we're spending so much money doing this. Remember, what brought the Soviet Union to its knees in the end? Reagan and Star Wars and the giant military buildup, we're doing a giant military buildup

and we're using all of it. And so we're having to build more. And we don't have the money, but we also don't have the infrastructure to do it. Now, we supposedly have endless supplies. And I don't know what to believe on that. But I certainly don't want our enemies to believe or be in doubt that we have enough supplies. Because that only encourages them to collapse us.

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I want to change subjects here we have we have Annie Jacobson on here in just a second where Fauci is testifying her book just came out on biological warfare

and it is terrifying we're going to talk to her she is really an amazing and fascinating guest but I want to play something that I saw this video of this teenage lifeguard that went into the water

to rescue this boy go ahead and play this while I'm explaining. I've, you know, I have respect for water. I don't like the water. I don't like giant waves, et cetera. But I've never seen anything like this. I respect the undertow, but this is remarkable.

This is in California. And this kid is out and he just gets sucked out farther and farther and can't make it out. The lifeguard sees him, runs in after him and is trying to pull this kid out. And he gets really close. and then another wave comes and just knocks them all down and sucks them back out. It's amazing. Either one of these people is alive. The kid, in fact, the guy Scott Vander Dusson, who made this video, he said,

the boy was moments away from not coming back, a few seconds, a few degrees, a few yards of distance. This is a very difficult story with a very different ending, and you can see it. If it would have ended this way for the lifeguard who went in after him, he would have been left to carry it largely on his own. He goes into how firefighters and everybody has a circle where they can get together and get grief counseling in case they failed. And lifeguards aren't like that. There's a new bill sitting in committee someplace right now trying to give lifeguards the status of first responders, which they are. They should. Can you imagine a 16 year old going in doing that and losing that kid, how he would beat himself up for the rest of his life, especially if he didn't have money for

counseling and it shouldn't be his responsibility for counseling for doing his job as a lifeguard. But that kid is a hero. He's coming to the White House. The president's going to give him a hero's welcome. But I have to tell you, it's one of the most impressive things I've ever seen. Did you watch it, Jason? You've seen it? Oh, gosh. I've never seen undertow like that. That was terrifying. That's California. That's insane. Ricky. When I saw that video and the reaction to it in the White House is, you know, for him to come to the White House and get a presidential medal of freedom. I clapped because we need to normalize this kind of masculinity.

We need to normalize making heroes out of people. Again, this is what makes America exceptional. So congratulations, young man. And let's get more heroes like him. 16-year-old kid. 16-year-old kid. And you saw adults just standing there filming it. You know, I mean, I'm not going in.

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One of my favorite writers, investigators is Annie Jacobson. I have so much respect for what she does. She does years of research on something. It goes deeper than anybody, I know, and lets the chip fall where they may. And then she can, and she's just. an absolute pro at telling a great story. So the way she talks about it, after she's done all her investigation,

she knows how to capture your attention and tell a great story. She just did a scenario on nuclear war. That was her last bestseller, and it was, holy cow, was that good, especially if you listen to her. She has such a beautiful voice, and she's so dry and calm

that when she's talking about things that are horrifying in such an almost detached sort of way, It makes it even more disturbing, but you can get through it. I started listening to her new book, Biological War, yesterday. I'm about halfway through it, and it is, I mean, it's riveting. And I knew it was going to be terrifying when, you know, back in the 90s, there was a guy who ran the Soviet Biological Warfare Department. And he was terrifying, and I did an interview with him.

He wrote a book. I can't remember what it was called. and his name is Ken Albeck or something like that. And he defected. And he wrote a book about what the difference is between Russia and the United States and what he had experienced in Russia, where they were looking to kill people in these horrible experiments that they did. She went even further on this because she was quoting him

and went even further than he went. And then she gets into a horrifying scenario of what a real outbreak looks like. This is so important today because Fauci today is pleading the fifth. And think what you want about COVID and the masks and everything else. We know because we have the evidence now that there was at least a cover-up. There's no real solid, absolute proof that it came from the Wuhan lab. but I think the evidence is so strong that it's at least the most likely scenario.

And the fact that we may have been involved in that. What else are we doing? What else is the United States or other countries working on? How bad are these labs? This just seems like we're on a suicidal path and no one's going to pay a price for what just happened. And more importantly, we're never really going to know the truth about what happened. Annie Jacobson joins me in 60 seconds.

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Terrifying. Why do you do this? How did you come? I was listening to the book last night and I'm like, what part of you makes you look for the darkest, most terrifying things and then expose them? Is this what you planned on doing with your life at some point? Why did you choose this? I'm a national security reporter who writes about war and weapons.

And my first six were written in the past tense. And these two books, Nuclear War a scenario and Biological War a scenario, look at the future based on hypothetical Pentagon War Games. And yes, they are terrifying, but, you know, I say that right in the author's note in the beginning, it ends in dystopia. But at the same time, you can look at the book as a cautionary tale. So here's the problem. You know, I was just talking about Fauci and pleading the fifth. I really would like to see the guy go to jail if the evidence could be proven in the court of law.

However, I just want the truth. And we have to have standards because if something, if we were involved in something, mistakes were made, we have to know those things. People have to pay a price or the next time it will just be worse. What are your thoughts on this? And did this play a role? Did COVID play a role in you writing this book at all? Everyone I interviewed had an opinion about COVID.

specifically about, you know, the lab leak at Wuhan. But I left it out of the book for a very particular reason because I wanted readers to be able to come to their own conclusions, whatever their preconceptions may be. And I do think people think and look differently at COVID after they read the book. That's the feedback I've gotten so far. The book just published yesterday. But, you know, you're absolutely right.

COVID could have been, on top of all the horrors that it was. it could exist for us as a nation as a terrific example of, you know, what might happen, what could happen. And instead, it's left this fractured society with people absolutely digging their heels in about their beliefs. Not everyone, but a large portion of America, I think. And boy, I think more important than just what they believe, the trust is gone. It's just gone. If it happened, if an outbreak happened a day, half of the country would not believe Donald Trump. If it was Joe Biden or Kamala Harris, half of the country would not believe her.

And there's so many people now that no matter who's in the office, they don't trust the science because they couldn't admit any mistakes anywhere along them. I would have so much sympathy for people who made mistakes and then said, I made this horrible mistake. I thought at this time. because I think the people's intent at the very beginning was this could be really bad. We got to do everything we can. But then there came a time to where, I don't know what the motivation was, but let's just call them all these horrible mistakes. And they never admitted it.

So we've lost the trust. Yeah, there's so much uncertainty when you're talking about bio. You know, you've said you've gotten halfway through the book. Well, it doesn't end well. I think what really be surprised to learn about is, you know, COVID had a case fatality rate of 1%. 1%. One in 100 people die. There are genetically modified pathogens out there that have 100% case fatality rate.

Everybody dies. And I show readers what the government has planned for that kind of event. And when you see what exists on the books, you know, I take the readers from outbreak to, to anarchy in six days. Anarchy. And then you learn what happens after anarchy. And so, again, I really hope that the takeaway from this is not panic, it's pressure. Because when people read this book, which is all based on sources telling me, I'm talking about presidential advice, saying, okay, yep, this is actually what we do. They will say, whoa, like we've got to drop the rock on those other issues and really focus on what people are supposed to do, what people can do.

But you're absolutely right that there has to be a kind of accountability for it because no one likes to be misled. And whatever you say about the lab leak, whatever you fall. You absolutely know now that public health officials were not being honest. Honest. That doesn't work in my family. It shouldn't work in the government. No.

so so Annie you're writing this and and I've been watching you for the last couple of months and really since we spoke last time right after the last book I've been watching you and and seeing your reaction to pathogens and biological weapons or biological problems how convinced are you that we are near something and and and near something not like the Spanish flu, but from an accident in one of these labs? You know, case and point. I mean, accidents are listed in Defense Department nomenclature as having the same plan go into effect as an attack. And that's the only wargaming I know that considers that. I mean, a nuclear accident is going to be dealt with entirely differently because it's going to have entirely different consequences than a nuclear attack. Biological is actually called biological incident or attack.

So a lab leak 100% is as deadly as an attack. Because the pathogen, if it's airborne, the weapon system is the human lung set. So shouldn't what this, you know, this gain of function research, I mean, we are just suicidal, all of this stuff that is out there already sitting deep in a lab. I mean, I understand if we're looking for, you know, cures for these weapons, but I just don't know. It feels as though we have crossed a point to where we're almost insane and will appear to be suicidal at some point down the road. And you can't use any of these biological weapons. It's all against the law since Nixon. But how many countries are still doing this stuff?

Well, for starters, look at the labs. So there are 110 BSL4 labs around the world. That's the maximum containment lab. And BSL3, by the way, is just right below that. You can work with plague, hantavirus, anthrax, rabies in a BSL3 lab. And there are 3,500 of those labs around the world. And so the idea of an accident is, you know, we're just right at that precipice. You mentioned about like suicide.

I quote, there was a existential sort of philosopher, Nick Bostrom, spoke, God, it's 10 years ago now, about AI maybe being humans last grade invention. And I echo him, only I say that about genetic modification of terms. that could very well be 21st century humans last invention. You know, when you actually know why Elon Musk wants to go to Mars, it makes more sense. You know, he wants to get off before AI and the singularity happen because he's like, otherwise man may not exist. You know, we don't know what's coming our way. The same thing with biological weapons.

You know, we don't have a seed vault for the human race. we screw this up. There's no seed vault. And I think that's what Elon Musk is trying to do with Mars to some degree. Let me take a one minute break, Annie. And then I want you to just set the scene for this war game narrative and take us through it. We'll do that in 60 seconds. First, Z factor.

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That is the only ending with a genetically modified pathogen to be airborne among the population. You might as well know that right off the bat. I mean, Tom Cruise is not coming to save the day. You sure? Give me just a sliver of it. But? But, well, you know, I think you and I have spoken about this before when we were talking nuclear, that I really love the phrase you can't fix what you can't face.

Because what it also means is you can fix what you're willing to face. And so when you have a bit of knowledge about these subjects that are so terrifying, then you can arm yourself with the correct information. You can understand when a mask would be appropriate and when it isn't. You can understand, you know, when the hontavirus outbreak happened, for example, in May, and everyone was all worried about it. Well, that was a legitimate fear because there is a strain that is airborne. When it proved not to be that airborne strain, you could take different measures.

People don't know. So they go to an alternative narrative. How could you not? All right. So take us through the scenario that you lay out in the book. We've got about five minutes here. Lay out the beginning of the scenario. What's happening? I tie everything to either something has happened in the past or, you know, things that Defense Department games out in the future. So you have an outbreak at a BSL4 lab in Siberia, in Russia, because Russia still has a bio-weapons program in violation of the treaty. Very quickly, you got airborne, you got travelers. Hunters, international businessmen in that area of Novosibirsk, get on planes and they go to every continent but Antarctica. There you have it. It's spread. And once it's spread, it's too late. I show what the Defense Department, what the intelligence community is doing, you know, gangbusters

to try to understand what this pathogen is, because until you know what something is, how do you try and defeat it. And very quickly, it arrives in the United States. And then I show readers the plans in place that the president has, that the biodefense counsel has. And most interestingly to me was understanding that it's a bureaucratic nightmare, meaning you don't have the defense department in charge who essentially are kind of like go to it, get it done. Say what you will about the DOD, but that's what they do. You've got HHS in charge. You've got CDC who reports to HHS. You've got FEMA, you've got DHS, you've got all these organizations sitting around the White

House trying to organize themselves, their thoughts, and their plans. And it all moves very quickly. And by the time they decide what they can do, and by the time that USAMRID, the DOD's only BSL4 lab at Fort Detrick, is able to identify the pathogen in my book as pneumonic plague, one of the scariest to all public health officials' pathogens with 100% death rate. By the time they know that, it's too late. How many BSL4 labs have that pathogen? Plague is, I mean, plague, Glenn, think about it.

You know, the bubonic plague of the 14th century, there are history books written about this. And I quote survivors, what they said happened to people. And everyone thinks, oh, bubonic plague is a thing of the past because, you know, ursinia pestis, that's the germ. Antibiotics will kill that germ. Well, not anymore when you're talking about genetic modifications. One of the things that gain of function does, it makes pathogens more virulent, it makes them more transmissible, and it makes them able to defeat existing vaccines or antibiotics. And so if there is no cure, you just have mass death. You have anarchy, you have insurrection. And I show readers, I'm not going to spoiler alert because I want you to experience this. But what happens after the Insurrection Act is declared is a classified plan called the devolution plan. And I was able to get Obama's former FEMA director, Craig Fugate, to take me and I take readers up to the edge of what.

but can legally be known about that plan, where all the government goes off to secret bunkers called hot sites, cold sites, and warm sites. So let that stew in your imagination when you finish my book. Thank you very much. I hate you so much. I want to leave the program right now and go read the rest of the book. So Annie, Can you give us something?

Because when you describe the guy on the plane, oh my gosh, how quickly he is devolving and how it is everywhere on that plane. And it's just one guy. It's a little terrifying. Yeah. You know, the, go ahead. I was going to say, may I butt in?

Yeah. Because in your intro, I cannot forget this. And your intro, you mentioned Ken Alibak. And he was one of the Soviet defectors. And there were a number of them. And I interviewed their CIA handlers for the book and learned a lot more. And I interviewed one of the world's experts on plague at USAMRID, at the DOD's BSL 4 Lab, who told me what Alibac was really doing and his team in the Cold War, in the Soviet bio-weapons program.

Never reported before. they were inserting through gain of function, genetic modification, they were inserting the gene. This is what you're referring to, the traveler on the plane, the gene for euphoria. And so you may say to yourself, well, what on earth would that be for? What would it do? Think about it. If you're really sick, you go home and get under the covers and you don't infect anyone. But the Soviet sort of malevolent scientists thought if we inject euphoria into the pathogen, people will go out and socialize. They may even go to the disc and they will infect other. That's dark.

Oh, really dark. We're going to come back and we'll talk some more because I want to spend some time on Ken and why he defected in the end and what he experienced and some of stuff that he did that I did. that I didn't know that you reveal at the beginning of the book that is just white knuckle terrifying. Annie Jacobson, the name of the book is Biological War a scenario. It's available everywhere right now and well worth it. Listen to the audio because her narration is fabulous. All right, every generation has to decide whether it's going to hand the next generation something worth keeping or whether it's just going to, you know, let it slip away.

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And Annie, you say in your book that we can mitigate the devastating, and I want to get into that here in a second. But I want you to tell people the story about what Ken, I can't remember how to say his last name, Alebek. Is that? Yeah, exactly. Yep. Yeah.

Okay. Ken Alabek. What he was made in charge after there was an accident in the lab. He was put in charge of their biological weapons in the Soviet Union when it was still the Soviet Union. He later defects comes over here to the United States and starts telling us and helping us on different things. But can you explain the scenario that I was not aware of of the mental institution,

in air quotes? That's a crazy detail that came. I got access to the journals of the originator of the super plague weapon program in Russia, a guy called Igor Domaradsky. And, you know, I love, you combed through all this information, and you find something that just kind of sums up the situation. That was that they had a facility where they were working on plague south of Moscow in a town called Oblenz. It was like a tiny village.

But they were so paranoid, this is in the 70s and 80s. They were so paranoid that the U.S. government was spying on them from space that they disguised the institute to be a mental institution. They even went so far as to hire actors who would wear pajamas and stand out there, sometimes in the snow. and play volleyball. And they are, and they are looking for something that is going to kill everyone. And did they, were they ever testing these out on people? I mean, that is a dark question. And we don't know that.

I mean, it was eluded that totalitarian countries have a different set of principles, if you will, about testing, you know, drugs, essentially weapons. But, you know, their program that the Soviets were working on, they called it, this is actually Alebeck's quote, I believe, their Manhattan project. But even darker, their plan, he said, was to kill all the people in America and the West and leave the infrastructure intact. And so you have this image of these like Soviet soldiers, marching in with their high-stepping boots and taking over because unlike nuclear, the buildings

are still there. I talked to the inventor of the neutron bomb, and that was the, he was during, I think the first goal for her, he was saying, we should drop the neutron bomb. And I'm like, you're out of your mind. And he was the inventor and proud of it. And he was like, but it leaves all the infrastructure. I'm like, dude, you should get a nap in. That's terrifying.

But how do they think that a plague is going to stay in the United States or wherever they release it? How is it they think that they're not all going to die too? Yeah, it's just the basic concept of blowback that all of us in the 21st century are really clear about because how quickly we can travel around the world. But think about it back in the 70s and the 80s when the first genetic modifications were going on. And so, you know, you really have to think seriously about where we are now with things like CRISPR in terms of what can be done. But back in the day and sort of genetic modification 101, the Soviet Union was behind the wall. They did have this idea that they were the fortress on the hill.

Okay. So you talk about mitigating the devastation. I know Obama tried to stop it, and that's the thing that Fauci just worked around, I feel. Trump is saying he's going to put policies to stop all of this testing. How convinced are you that we could Trump or anybody could put in policies that will stop this gain of function research? You absolutely have to. I mean, that's one of the things I write in the end of the book, you know, in the acknowledgments. I say the point is not necessarily panic.

It's pressure. Pressure to do exactly what you're talking about, where you have to have agreements with other governments that this kind of dangerous research, gain a function. But, but Annie, it's not even, it's not even having a, it's not even having any agreement with another country. We saw a Fauci goes against Barack Obama. It's, it's the arrogance of these people that say, no, I'm on a mission. This is really important. I know, I know science more than you do. We have to do this. And I don't care what you say. We'll just find a way to do. it. That's in our own country. If we can't stop it here, how do we ever stop it in other countries?

I believe you're absolutely right. And you have to sort of, that's where you have to have the reckoning where you say, look, you know, however you're going to frame your apology, you know, but I do want to say, okay, biological weapons are illegal, but there is a carve out for prophylactic purpose. And so that's always what people who are pro gain of function, like Fauci. We'll say, we are just doing this so we can defend against it if you guys do it. And it's an obvious catch-22. And many people that I know that believe gain a function is just a euphemism for biological

weapons engineering. And on the opposite side of the aisle where they're like, you can't call that a carve-out, call it what it is. But either way, you've got to have your sort of reckoning about what cannot be done. And then you have to have agreements. And so that pressure, I think, comes from transparency to enforce the Biological Weapons Convention Treaty. It is not enforceable right now. That's from, like, the top State Department officials I spoke with.

Annie, nobody was building these pipelines to cut off, you know, the Strait of Hermu's choke point until we're at war and everybody is, you know, paying $6, $7, $8 a gallon in gasoline. then everybody's like, we should build these pipelines. They're not going to do this stuff until, you know, it's too late. If they would have, if they would, if anything should have shocked the world into it, it should have been COVID. Look at what happened to our society and to our planet and to our children. We have forever changed because of that. And I don't see anything changing.

I don't see anybody willing to even say to get beyond. It's Donald Trump's fault. It's, you know, it's Joe Biden's fault. I don't care. I don't see anybody who's actually trying to say, let's solve this problem so we or our children aren't wiped off the face of the earth. I agree with you that it's, and it seems like an intractable problem. But, you know, anyone who knows me personally knows that even though I write these very dark dystopian scenarios, I am an eternal. optimist. I'm the mother of two boys. And, you know, I just have to believe that something can be done

and must be done. And so it's a bit of your intro where you were talking about why wasn't COVID a cautionary tale for us. Why haven't we learned from it? And you could say, call me, you know, a poliana, it's never too late to learn from the past. Yeah. Well, I hope. And I hope that your book does as well as nuclear war did, because I have to tell you, I don't think, you know, in a generation now that did not grow up in the Cold War. So they have no idea what nuclear war is. And it is much worse now than it was back then. I mean, it was bad then. But the weapons that we have now, I mean, it's just, it's horrific what we can, what, what can be done. But so far, everybody who has a nuclear weapon understands mad, mutually assured destruction. And so nobody's willing to do it. It's worked for a while. I don't know if, You're not proposing that this is going to be used by some country, unless it's a rogue nation. This is really, you're worried about an accident, aren't you?

Precisely. And that's exactly why the scenario inciting incident is a lab leak. It's an accident at a BSL4 lab. How likely is this to happen, you know, in 10 years, 20 years? If you subscribe to the idea that the Wuhan situation was a lab leak, it has already happened. How many of these labs? I mean, I trust an American, you know, level four containment system as much as you can. I know accidents can happen there.

But how many of these countries? We have them in Ukraine. I mean, how many of these countries are unstable or sloppy or like Wuhan? Well, you're right in worrying about this. I mean, I threw out the numbers earlier, 110 BSL4. labs, 3,500 BSL3 labs. But you know what's fascinating in a terrifying way? Those numbers are not from any government organization because there is no government

organization, either in America or internationally, that tracks and monitors the BSL 3 and four laps. None. These statistics come to us from academics and scientists who work tirelessly to get that information out to the public, to which most people... attention. How will we know, I mean, because the problem in this, this time when it comes is we don't have trust for the government or science or doctors or anybody else. And if it's one of these really bad ones, I mean, you have a week.

How do we, how will we know what's real and what's hype? In all Defense Department biological war gaming I looked at that includes incidents or accidents. A common phrase that I came across, which is so disquieting, is that fear of infection is the real secondary effect that kicks in and causes the anarchy and insurrection that almost certainly will take hold. Fear of infection. And that has to do with the fact that precisely, as you say, if public health officials aren't trusted to say this is how you can. can be infected. This is the degree of contagion. This is the degree of virulence. All of those kind of basic science ideas that all of us should know. They're not that complex. I make them very simple in the book to understand. If you don't trust people that are in charge, then that fear of infection is going to

absolutely take hold. But you must have a government when they know that it's really bad, you must have voices in the room that says you can't tell the American people this, they will panic. And then we can't get things done that we have to get done to protect the continuance of government. Right? So I mean, absolutely. And that's exactly what happens. And that's why that devolution plan is in place. When you read about it, I think the outcome for readers is probably like, okay, if they spend this much money and time planning for that, how about we spend some money in time planning for the rest of us? Unbelievable. Unbelievable. Annie, thank you.

It's always a delight. I mean, no, it's not a delight. It is always fascinating to have you on, and you're really one of my favorite reporters and writers and human beings. I just so appreciate everything that you have done in the past and we'll continue to do, I'm sure. Thank you. Thank you for having me on. You bet.

Annie Jacobson, Biological War, a scenario. I am two chapters in, three chapters in. I think. And it is riveting. Rividing. And now that I know what she said, I have to tell you, I am going to leave the show today and just listen to the book.

Her first one that I read or listened to on this scenario series is doing its nuclear war. And it was did you ever listen to it, Jason? I didn't, but I saw the Netflix show that I think was based off of her book. Oh, you should listen to it. She is the way

she narrates, it is, it's because it's, she almost sounds detached. You know what I mean? Her voice is just so good and it's, she reads it all detached. So it's just the cold, hard facts. And so she's not reading for excitement. She's just reading it cold and it makes it so terrifying because it's just the facts. Anyway, Annie Jacobson, biological war. Get it, download it now. All right, back in just a second. Our sponsor is American financing. You could go back 10 years, probably a few decisions you make differently. Might buy a few stocks you passed on. You could avoid the mistakes you never saw coming.

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but Jason was just talking about it and he said, I don't understand. As a Texan, now in the Mountain West, I don't understand what's happening in California with the coyotes. West Hollywood, a pack of coyotes has taken over abandoned West Hollywood complex. They got photos of these coyotes everywhere. The people are wondering, what do we do? What do we're running us out of this area?

Right here. This is the answer. That's the answer. California. California. You kill them. They're coyotes. And I said earlier, I said to Jason,

when we were talking about this off air. I said, you know what? I guarantee you they're going to coexist with these coyotes. And they have an 18-page slide called coyote management and coexistence plan. And coexistence with coyotes. Californians, you deserve to be eaten by coyotes. You are just so stop the insanity. Please, I know there's so many people who love us in California.

And they're like, it's not my fault. I know we're surrounded. I don't. I mean, maybe the coyotes are a good thing. Maybe, maybe it just will eat the people who are like, can they just look cute? Let me hug that coyote. Maybe you just let him eat them.

You know what I mean? Darwin, one less dope to deal with. Welcome to Hollywood. Welcome to California. Coyotes. Come across my property line. I know who you are and we kill you.