The Glenn Beck Program - How Has Fani Willis STILL Not Been Removed from Trump’s Case?! | Guests: Sen. Eric Schmitt & Douglas Murray | 1/19/24

Episode Date: January 19, 2024

Glenn plays some clips from the World Economic Forum, showing the global elites will stop at nothing to get their way. How can Americans "trust the experts" when they always lie? Sen. Eric Schmitt joins to explain how SCOTUS has the opportunity to dismantle the administrative state by overruling Chevron deference. “The War on the West” author Douglas Murray joins to explain how extremism is being redefined to paint those who don’t fall in line as extremists. Glenn and Stu discuss the dangerous believability AI already has. Why has DA Fani Willis not been removed from the Trump case? Member of the Finnish Parliament Dr. Päivi Räsänen joins alongside Alliance Defending Freedom CEO and President Kristen Waggoner to discuss Dr. Päivi being prosecuted for a third time for quoting the Bible. Glenn previews his upcoming podcast with Tony Robbins. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Today is Friday, so we're going to go through some of the crazy news that happened this week. We also are going to tell you about what the latest is, and I'll show it to you happening in real time. What the World Economic Forum is saying is the number one problem, and I'll show you how it's being implemented, their correction in real time. Also, we have Douglas Murray on. this half hour in about a half an hour

we have Senator Eric Schmidt from Missouri. He's coming on. He's going to explain the opportunity that the Supreme Court has right now to dismantle the administrative

state, something that the left is freaking out over. Also today, Douglas Murray joins us. Douglas is one of the guys who's on the target list of the World Economic Forum to silence him because he is so well spoken.

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You know, they've invited some conservatives over there, you know, and they think maybe they've gone a little too far. Really? I don't believe you at all, nor should anyone else. Why? Because they are progressing on everything that they're talking about anyway. They will have a new world order if it is up to them. Here's the World Bank president talking about developing nations. Now, what do you need to become a double?

developing nation. Okay. You need skilled labor. You need cheap energy. Uh, and that's pretty much it. If you have cheap energy and skilled labor, you can totally transform your country. Okay. Here's the World Bank on, uh, on developing nations. Listen to this. Europe lives on natural gas. America generates a great deal of natural gas as well. How can we tell the developing world that they cannot have access to natural gas as part of the transition if we live on it ourselves? And so I think there's a little bit of the issue of trust in each other. I actually believe that if you open the taps of natural gas everywhere, you won't be able to close it again. So the wrong answer is to say, let me just do what I want.

the correct answer is to say what's the right way of bridging this situation these are hard topics they get emotional they get political and as someone said at a lunch a little while ago the challenge with politics is we know what we need to do

the problem in the democratic world is you probably won't get elected again if you do it yeah probably while you're engaging in all kinds of propaganda Stu can you help me out when did natural gas become an enemy of the planet?

Well, it's a fossil fuel, Glenn, as you know. Now, it's interesting because at the same time, they'll say, look at all the progress we've made, we've done all these amazing things, everyone's finally listening to us and turning green, all the gains they've been able to muster have been from natural gas. Correct. You know, going from something like coal to natural gas is a big cut in emissions. They get big reductions in their numbers.

They have come down because of, that going from one fossil fuel to another and then they claim success and now want more solar panels. So yeah, no, I mean it's they have always said eventually they want to get away from it.

Some people will say, well, it's a step in the right direction. Others just want it to be taken off line. Well, he wants the world to understand that once we open the taps for developing nations, if we start sending them natural gas and they start developing, you'll never

be able to shut it off. And that just can't happen. Evil. That's an evil sentiment, isn't it? It is. You know, if we don't, if we give them civilization, they might want to keep it. And it's like, what a disgusting way to look at a bunch of other people,

a billion other people, just like, we can't let them develop. We can't let them have heating and cooling. We can't let them have electricity and modern medicine. Because then they'll keep wanting it. And that's bad. What kind of worldview is that? So let me go to the heritage president. Heritage, they were invited to speak out and tell us what the world would be like with a new Republican administration.

So Kevin Roberts went and he laid it out for him. In no uncertain terms, here's a bit of his speech yesterday. The thing that I want to drive home here, the very reason that I'm here at Davos, is to explain to many people in this room and who are watching. With all due respect, nothing personal, but that's your part of the problem. Political elites tell the average people on three or four or five issues

that the reality is X, when in fact reality is Y. Take immigration. Elites tell us that open borders and even illegal immigration are okay. The average person tells us in the United States that both rob them of the American way of life. They're right.

President Trump will take that on on behalf of the average American. Elites also tell us that public safety isn't a problem in big American cities. Just traveled to New York or Washington or Dallas, Texas. The average person will tell you that the lack of public safety damages not just the American way of life, but their life. President Trump will take that on. Thirdly, I guess the favorite at the World Economic Forum is climate change. Elites tell us that we have this existential crisis with so-called. called climate change, so much so that climate alarmism is probably the greatest cause for

mental health crisis in the world. The solutions, the average person know, based on climate change, are far worse and more harmful and cost more human lives, especially in Europe during the time that you need heating than do the problem and the problems themselves. Fourth, two more here, Robin. The fourth, China. The number one, not just to the United States, but to free people on planet Earth. Not only do we at Davos not say that, we give the Chinese Communist Party a platform. Count on President Trump ending that nonsense. And fifth, as we sit here, another supranational organization, the World Health Organization,

is discussing, foisting gender ideology upon the global South. These are practices that are under review, if not being rejected, by countries in northern Europe. The new president, the special of its President Trump, will, as you like to say, trust the science. He will understand the basic biological reality of manhood and womanhood. And do you know why? Not because of retribution, not because he's a dictator, but because he has the power of the American people behind him. And it's connected to Senator Portman's excellent point that in addition, to needing a vigorous executive, we look forward to having the popular will inform both the

House and Senate in 2025 to pass laws on all of those issues and many others. Ultimately, Robin, I think President Trump, if in fact he wins a second term, is going to be inspired by the wise words of Javier Millet, who said that he was in power, not to guide sheep, but to awaken lions. That's what the average American and the average free person on planet Earth wants out of leaders. They didn't like his, they didn't like his talk or his appearance on the panel very much. In fact, they're going the other way. They're talking about liberating science now, which is focused on disinformation as it relates to the climate change agenda and everything else. So they've been talking about how the number one problem now is disinformation and misinformation.

That is the key problem for this year. Number one, short-term risk facing the world. It's not interstate armed conflict, war, climate change, lack of economic opportunity, societal polarization, which is closely linked to misinformation and disinformation, actually comes in third. So really? Wow, we've got to take care of that this year. Why? Because there are more elections, free elections happening this year than any other time in human history. The elites know they're in trouble if you awaken the lions. But I want to show you, they have been saying all week, they've been talking about how they've got to get a hand,

on disinformation and misinformation. So let's look at what's happening in real time. This is from the Washington Post. The internet has been a huge boon for the accessibility of information. There are a few barriers to consuming classic literature or detailed scientific analysis or catalogs of news reports. There's also an exorbitant amount of garbage information, of course, and the entire universe of people who say stuff that think,

will get people clicks and they'll earn themselves some money. While confidence in American institutions has been in decline for some time, it's not hard to imagine how the economic incentives of the internet contribute. There is an outsized appetite for derogatory counterintuitive or anti-institutional assessments of the world around us. Counterintuitive. I don't know, men having babies. That seems counterintuitive. This is part because of the alleged scandals that are increasing and in part because Americans

like to view themselves as independent analysts of the world around us. The result is there's both a supply and a demand for nonsense or appealingly framed errors. Americans who have little trust in the system can easily find something to reinforce their skepticism and they often do. This article goes on to say, you should not do your own research. You need to find someone you trust and just listen to them. If I am someone that you happen to trust, let me just say, I do not ask for your trust. I ask that you do your own homework and keep an open mind even when you think you're absolutely right. if we're not listening to other points of view, then we are saying we know everything.

I don't know everything. I hope I'm wrong on a lot of this stuff. Don't think I am. But as soon as somebody comes into my world and says, look, this is the way it is, and can show me logically, not just shut up, hate monger, but can show me the case logically, I'm there. I'm there. I don't want to believe these things. But I do. And what are those things that we believe in?

Well, not the things that the elites now believe in. Here's another one. This is from NBC News. Disinformation poses an unprecedented threat in 2024, and the U.S. isn't ready. This according to researchers, technologists, and political scientists. As presidential election approaches, experts warn that a converging, of events at home and abroad on traditional and social media and amid an environment of rising authoritarianism, deep distrust, and political and social unrest. It makes the dangers from propaganda, falsehoods, and conspiracy theories more dire than ever. A U.S. presidential election comes during a historic

year. Billions of people voting in elections in more than 50 countries all over Europe, India, Mexico, South Africa, and it comes at a time of ideal circumstances for disinformation and the people who spread it. An increasing number of voters have proven susceptible to disinformation from Donald Trump and his allies. Artificial intelligent technology is ubiquitous. Social media companies have slashed efforts to rein in misinformation on their platforms and attacks on the work and reputation of academics tracking this information have chilled the research. Wow, that is, I'm so glad we have this information. This information is trust the experts. You know, for instance, the good folks at CNN, who in October of 2016, when there was WikiLeaks and all of the Clinton emails,

Chris Cuomo told his viewers, it's illegal for you to possess emails leaked by the website WikiLeaks, and you should not read them. Rely entirely on the media to learn about their context and content. Oh, wow. So he's got special powers. You shouldn't read it, but he will, and then he'll explain it to you because he speaks Latin.

he's the high priest. How about how about this one? How about the border? How about COVID? How about the masks? How about six foot distancing? How about the lab leak? That was completely, completely ridiculous.

By the way, a news story out from Blaze. Chinese researchers reportedly identified and mapped the COVID virus weeks before China notified the world. The alarming findings raised serious concerns about China's transparency regarding the initial coronavirus outbreak. We told you this in the first year. We knew it, but we were conspiracy theorists. I had it dead to rights.

I showed you on the timeline. These things only make sense if they were already ahead of the game. It's the only way it made any sense. It would be counterintuitive to think that it wasn't a lab leak. But we were conspiracy theorists, and now we know, oh, the rest of the story. Now we know the truth. So I just ask you every time you hear somebody say conspiracy theory, You ask yourself, have they been right on all of the other conspiracy theories, or have they been wrong?

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let me share one other thing. While the Department of Homeland Security has allowed as many as 10, million immigrants, immigrants, to flood our southern border, the domestic surveillance state has prioritized something more important. This according to now found documents by the Media Research Center, DHS paid $700,000 from a counterterrorism program to a self-described, self-described propaganda network to attack conservatives. The source of the funding was the targeted violence and terrorism prevention grant program, which was created under Barack Obama to target al-Qaeda.

That was put on hold and then revived by then-acting DHS head, Kevin McAllen. With Miles Taylor, the infamous and insufferable anonymous resistance within the Trump administration, that funding circumvented the White House budgeting process. The beneficiary of the grant under President Joe Biden is the already taxpayer-funded University of Rhode Island's Media Education Lab. Propaganda can also be used for social beneficial purposes, the application read as it outlined its own counter-propaganda model. Indeed, because the public has long been recognized as being suggestible, the United States has long use and has used for beneficial propaganda purposes during World War War. won World War II in the Cold War. So these people went out.

They partnered with the White House and the federal government with your tax dollars to equate MAGA supporters as anti-Semites and blaming Donald Trump for creating a darker, scarier, angry, less hopeful country. Propaganda, proven done by the people who are lecturing us about disinformation. I don't think I'm going to be having any of that. Now, listen, when you kill somebody, even in self-defense, if you have to ever pull your gun, you have to know that you're going to go through hell for at least a year. They are going to come after you.

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That's so Chevron. And we have the super hot, super sexy Senator Eric Schmidt, who must appreciate this intro. Hello, Eric. How are you? Oh, Glenn. That's why you're a Hall of Favor. Only you. I'm thinking about having you on it.

I'm like, nobody wants to talk about Chevron deference because it's not sexy at all. Oh, man. That's good. So anyway, Chevron deference is so important. What is happening this week and we'll find out in June. Could it could be. It's not the silver bullet, but it is one of the silver. bullets to put our country back onto a constitutional balance of power. Can you explain Chevron deference?

Yeah, that's exactly right. And so this is not getting a lot of place. So I appreciate you making this as interesting as possible because it's one of these things that has happened and really one of the building blocks, this Chevron deference of the administrative state that is really antithetical to the vision of the founders, you know, the accountability, dispersing power. So back in the 1980, Can you, Sarah, can you help him out a little bit, just a little bit there? Go ahead and hit that again. And then, Garrett, go ahead.

Yeah. So I'm going to have to tune that out. I'm going to have to, I'm shooting free throws. And people are yelling at me. But so basically, Woodrow Wilson, who I would argue is maybe the worst president in our country's history. Well, it's getting hot in here again. I'm going to whisper Woodrow Wilson. But anyway, so you see the growth of these agencies over time

and all these alphabet agencies that take on enormous power over people's lives. They can destroy businesses and livelihoods and take away liberty. How did we get here? One of the reasons we got here is there's this case called Chevron that was decided in the 1980s. that basically said, look, if Congress hasn't specifically spelled something out, if there's some ambiguity, we're going to defer to an agency's interpretation of that as long as it's quote unquote reasonable.

So what that has led to over time is the court's just saying things are ambiguous and then agreeing and going along with an agency's interpretation. This case that's in front of the Supreme Court right now, this is what's called Luperbright or Relentless, which I think is a better name, there's a second plaintiff. essentially there was a 1970s law that said for fishery management plan that would allow observers to be on the vessel. Okay, so that's kind of how it worked. There were observers on the vessel. The government was paying for the observers.

Then all of a sudden, more recently the agency said, well, now you've got to pay for the observers. And they said, well, wait a minute. That's never how it's been done before. And where does that say in the statute? And of course, it doesn't say in the statute. the agency just wanted it that way. So they lost at the lower court level. This issue is now in front of the Supreme Court.

It's on that particular issue, but it's about this broader Chevron deference issue. My hope is that the conservative justices would overturn Chevron. This is sort of a holy grail for people who want to get back to how our founders viewed the role of government, which is... Correct me if I'm wrong, Eric. I mean, wasn't this written by Scalia? Yeah. No, it's actually one of the great paradoxes. Later on, so he was an advocate for it.

And then later on, as it played out, he soured on the idea. And so, yeah, it's one of the great, it's one of the great ironies. I mean, Justice Scalia, maybe the greatest, if not one of the greatest justices of all time. And the climate, I think, was different. They viewed it a little bit differently than, but certainly how it's played out. This has been a total disaster. So as you know, when I was aging now in the Senate, my maiden speech was, about two great threats to the republic, the narrowing of the bandwidth of free speech and then the

growth of the administrative state. And there's a few things we can do, like Senator Lee and I are taking on the Raines Act, which would say Congress should have to vote on any new regulation before it goes into effect. That would slow this thing down. You should make them pull back three regs before they issue one reg. There are some things you can do that's deep structural reform, but this court case that was argued in front of the Supreme Court yesterday, they'll probably be handed out, handed down in June would go a long way in the legal process of defaying these agencies because no longer would the, would the courts just say, well, the agencies in charge of this, this is what they've said, we're going to go with that. Instead, they'll look to the statute and

say, what does the statute actually say? And if it doesn't allow it, the tie doesn't go to the runner or the agency. The tie actually goes to the individual. And so you, you would empower Congress. to take their power back. They'd have to pass the laws and the regulations, which is the way it's supposed to work. Give me a real life, big example on how this could change the average person's life if they go, they get rid of this. Well, in the broadest sense, you're right. The Article 1 branch are Congress. There are no saints in this either. They have willingly ceded this authority to the agencies, because here's the game to gets played in Washington is they say they go back home and say I voted for the greatest bill in the

world yep and then they say somebody asked the question they say but I can't believe what the EPA just did right yes so they get to have it both ways and what I want to see and I think what you want to see and what others want to see is make us accountable for this so if you're going to pass a law that deals with you know greenhouse emissions right well part of the problem now is Congress hasn't done that Congress hasn't signed on to the green new deal, right? So all of this effort that, in the money that's going to China now, all of this, is being done by these agencies because the president wants their agencies to go do this. So this would say basically, listen, if Congress hasn't weighed in on this, you don't get to do it.

We're not actually going to defer to you because you claim there's some ambiguity in a statute from the 1950s. So this would put the onus back on Congress. And that's where it should be. Because ultimately, if you think about the system we have, it's meant to spread out power vertically horizontally through separation of powers and federalism, right? That's one piece of it. But it's also based on accountability because every six years in the Senate and every two years in the House, you have to go before the voters. And they can actually now say, were you in favor of this? Did you support this? Did you vote yes or did you vote doing this? As opposed to blaming it on some agency that nobody has any idea who the deputy undersecretary of, you know, some agency's never heard of is.

Well, already, you know, we're reading reports that the Biden administration is looking at looking to the administrative officials on ways that they can block anything that Trump might do if he comes in. And that's the problem. The president can come in, but if the structure is there, it's so deep and so intertwined with everything, it will take, it will take massive time and shears to start cutting those things back. and meanwhile, they just keep adding more and more and more. That's right. And we had, when I was Attorney General, we had the student loan debt forgiveness case, for example.

Yes. We took that all the way to the Supreme Court. And one, Glenn, that was a half a trillion dollars that the president thought, relying on some statute that didn't apply, that he could wipe away a half a trillion dollars with a student loan debt to fulfill a campaign promise. That is not what this country is supposed to be about. What's supposed to happen is the question, should be put before Congress, do you want to do this or not? And then we vote on it. And so I do think

this case will go a long way in putting that accountability back in our system. And I think, you know, people, well, I think an important point here is beyond just the specifics of how it's going to help individuals or businesses, you know, reign in government, there is also a real important kernel of truth in all this. If you want to understand why people are so frustrated, I think, with what goes on in Washington is, they feel like they send people there and things don't really ever change. And part of that is there's this sort of fourth branch of government that's untouchable, which is the administrative state. So if we can do our job, rein that in. This court case is a big part of it. I think over time it's good for the republic because people will, you know, again,

feel like their government or people they send there are accountable to them, not, you know, again, some amorphous agency that no one's ever heard of. Let me ask you a final question. I read a lot of reports that say the justices were asking the questions that make one believe that they might actually go deep, not narrow, but deep on this. Do you feel that way? I do. I think that probably the justice to watch here is Justice Roberts, who is just sort of well known as kind of an incrementalist. And whether they kind of, they've been chipping away at this a little bit, you know, over the last, I would say, five to seven years. They've been shipping away. at some of this deference, but I think they've got the kill shot here if they want to take it.

I think they will. If I had to bet on it right now, I think they will. But it's not a foregone conclusion. But this is the best shot. The people in these legal circles, I will tell you, there's been a desire to find the case that you can put before the court to test this again. And I said, this is the case. So this is really one to watch. And again, it's really under the radar because it's not about, you know, guns or abortion or some of the

things that typically are on the front page, but it would have a really significant impact, ultimately on the role of government in people's lives. The other thing you mentioned quickly, because I'm out of time, but the other thing you mentioned was freedom of speech. And we have been watching the World Economic Forum and what they're doing. And miss and disinformation is now their number one priority because there's going to be more people in the world voting this year than ever before in human history. And they know.

And so they've got to control the spin and the media. And we are already seeing this happening through NBC News. NBC News, what was the other one this week? And then the independent that are actually naming me and the Blaze as critical disinformation outlets. And we take this very seriously, obviously. Can we, can I give you a show? out and I'd like to make sure that your staff has all we look for it specifically and I'm sure your staff does but we'd like to make sure you're seeing all of the things that are coming out on

this because it's becoming very very dangerous definitely and it's terrifying Glenn as you know our rights are come from God and government's job is supposed to protect those rights principle is the idea of self-expression your ability to speak your mind and that's why the First Amendment is so important. And it's terrifying the degree to which these so-called leaders want to control the speech. I guess it's not that surprising. It's been the way of the world for a long time, but not in this country. The Missouri v. Biden lawsuit that I filed that's in front of Supreme Court, by the way, is a big part of that. I've also filed legislation, Glenn, you'll appreciate this, to empower every individual that's censored by the government to sue that government

official responsible support directly. So instead of one attorney general doing this, an army of citizens whose rights have been violated to go out. I think that will have a deterrent effect. We've got to look for more solutions to stop this because there's nowhere else to go. You look at that world economic forum. You've got a bunch of people who are held in on power and control. That's all it is. It's meant to quell dissent. It's meant to intimidate and they cannot win. Well, as sexy as ever, Eric, as sexy as ever. Senator Eric Smith, thank you so much, sir. Appreciate it. All right, my friend. Take care. Bye. Bye. You bet. What a good sport on that one.

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I had Anna Stanley on from England, and she was talking to me about a, counterterrorism course for civil servants in the UK. And his name was brought up, and so was Joe Rogan's name. As people the government would like to suppress, but they're just hoping that someone in the private sector might step up and do it. We're going to talk to the one and the only, Douglas Murray, in 60 seconds. Let me tell you about Patriot Mobile. when you get to the end of the month

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You were just, you were one of the more powerful people out there, and I think that's why you're being targeted. Did you happen to see the article that I was talking about with Anna Stanley? Yes, I did. I read it with considerable alarm. This is a young woman who worked at the Foreign Office. She was an open intelligence analyst sent on a government training program to learn more about counterterrorism, counter-extremism. And of course, she revealed in the piece that, first of all, many of the, or several of the participants, the lecturers, completely downplayed Islamic extremism when terrorism, which the British government does,

guard and the intelligence services do regard as the primary threat to security in the UK. And no mention of immigration playing a role in that? None. Of course not. Of course not. Why would they talk about anything that was truthful? And but yes, but more alarming to me was even than that was the fact that one of the lecturer, the man called Peter Newman, a very sinister figure in my view, said that the main threat, or one of the main threats, was from so called far-right people. And he named me and Joe Rogan. Showrogan.

Let me quote the two paragraphs that says this. The lecturer further argued that Douglas Murray and Joe Rogan are both examples of the far right. To what extent, I'm quoting, should Joe Rogan and Douglas Murray be suppressed, he asked. They have millions of followers to de-platform them would cause issues. Whoops, did we lose him? Concluding his talk, the lecturer told a roomful of government professionals, so society needs to find other ways to suppress them. Is Douglas with us?

The easiest way to suppress him is to hang up on him in the middle of the interview. Exactly right. That's the private sector suppressing him. I'll tell you that right now. There you go. we see what side you're on. Yeah. Well, no, it was just a, it was a coincidence.

And I've deleted all my files about hanging up on Douglas Murray. Oh, this accident. Yeah, it was crazy. That's sad. That's sad. Yeah, it's amazing to be the people who are actually targeted in the middle of this, too. It's like, it's one thing to talk about it as an issue. You know, it's one thing to say, okay, well, these things may happen or they are happening.

But, like, when it's happening to you, obviously, Glenn, you were named in that in that article. I was not. and just keep the record clear. But it's got to be hard to go through it, right? Yeah. So he's back. You know, I think, Douglas, you're back. Thank you.

I'm sorry, we resist suppressing your voice there for a minute. But, you know, what's really frightening here is I've been talking about this stuff coming for a long time. And we've been hearing reports that they're doing this or that. they are so outspoken on this and so bold and they are so far down the line. What do you think is coming for you? I don't know other than that there's no way anyone on earth is going to suppress or silence me. But I do think it's extraordinary the confidence that certain people have that they can suppress those who say things which I think are not only popular, but true.

But I thought it was fascinating this man who has almost no following or recognition himself and who's an expert in a non-experty that he should think that he could or other people should suppress me. And since it wasn't just about suppressing my voice,

I've got my lawyers writing to his employers to find out what he has in mind for me. Well, they were in that very thing. They were talking about using banks and everything. And we know they're doing this. You know, and, you know, I said about four or five years ago that there's going to come a time where they are going to build a digital ghetto. And I know all the implications of using those words. And I was called an anti-Semite and everything else. But that is what they're building. You know, the Jews can talk all they want. They can do

whatever they want, just behind this wall. So, nobody sees them or hears them. And that's exactly the direction we're going. Yeah. And there's very particular moves that they're doing to make that. One is this use of the term far right, which alarms me enormously, because of course there are some people, particularly in Europe, who are what we would call far right.

They're nowhere near the centers of power. But in bits of Germany and elsewhere, you know, there are very nasty things in the woodshed. And unfortunately, what people have done in recent years, as you well know, is that in the name of really nothing other than political opportunism, certain people have decided to extend the parameters of what is allegedly far right. And what they've done is they've extended it not just to people, on this occasion, it's absurd to call me or go Rogan far right, palpably, demonstrably absurd. Yes. But what they're really doing is they're trying to make public opinion. be deemed far right? And not just some public opinion, but majority public opinion.

Most people in the United States and the United Kingdom are deeply concerned about illegal migration. But once you say concerned about illegal migration is far right, therefore the majority of the public are called far right. And that has a lot of implications these people don't think about. First of all is that, of course, it makes actual far-right become completely normal because you're just saying, oh, well, everything's far. The thing it does is that it's majority public concerns, which are legitimate concerns. You know, Americans are right to be fearful about the implications of having an entirely poorer southern border. And the Europeans and British people and others are completely right to be concerned about having a totally poorer southern border.

And to call these concerns extreme or to try to chuck them out of the mainstream, it's something so anti-democratic and anti-the-populous, but I'm just very alarmed the way in which this was caught on. Well, I don't know if you've been following Davos. I'm sure you have this week. Of course. But they're making miss and disinformation the number one priority. And here in America, we've already had the Wall Street Journal.

We've had two stories now from NBC News. this week on disinformation. Listen to this paragraph in the story from NBC News. An increasing number of voters have proven susceptible to disinformation from former President Donald Trump and his allies. Artificial intelligence technology is ubiquitous. Social media companies have slashed efforts to rein in misinformation on their platforms. And attacks on the work and reputation of academics tracking disinformation have chilled. the research. So they're making the case that, you know, anybody who is even considering voting for Donald Trump, you are, you've been captured by disinformation, which leads you to where

Jordan Peterson is today, you've got to go to a re-education camp. Right. Well, that's the thing, you know, is that this whole concept that they're experts and then there's us, plebs. It's part of this problem. And the problem is not just how rude it is about us, the people. We are the people, to coin a phrase. It's the fact that these self-appointed experts are not expert in many occasions. I mean, the BBC has a disinformation expert now, and she keeps on pumping out disinformation.

She keeps on getting things wrong. Well, normally, that's the ebb and flow of justice. journalism. You know, one paper publishes one story, another paper says they're wrong. That's fine. But this idea that we have this sort of new priesthood class of academics, academics experts in disinformation, sorry, as the person we were just mentioning earlier from King's College London has shown, academics are perfectly capable of pumping out lies and disinformation. Well, I would cite the famous Bill Buckley quote, you know, I'd rather go to the first hundred people in the phone book to find out what's true than say the board of Harvard University.

Yes. You know, there's a story in the Washington Examiner that just came out. Listen to this. While the Department of Homeland Security has allowed as many as 10 million immigrants into the flood our southern border, domestic surveillance state has prioritized something more important. According to documents now unearthed by the Media Research Center, DHS paid 700,000, from a counterterrorism program to a self-described propaganda network. The source of the funding was targeted violence and terrorism prevention grant program, which was created by Barack Obama to target al-Qaeda. That was put on hold and then clandestinely revived by the then-acting DHS head,

Kevin McLean and Miles Taylor, the infamous and insufferable anonymous resistance within the Trump administration the funding circumvented the White House budgeting process, the beneficiary of the grant under President Joe Biden, is the University of Rhode Island's media education lab. In their application for the money, it said propaganda can also be used for socially beneficial purposes. Indeed, because the public has long recognized as being suggestible, the United States has long made use of the beneficial propaganda during World War I, World War II, and the Cold War. what they did is they were the source coming after MAGA supporters and saying that they're far right, anti-Semites, this is funded by our government. And they're the ones telling us about

disinformation? Well, that's the other thing. So if I was somebody in the situation of government in the last 15 years, I think I would want to try at least to take a lot of, at myself and wonder where I'd gone wrong, you know? Yep. And you don't see that humility at all. I would wonder, you know, instead of saying the public don't trust scientists anymore, I would say, what has the scientists done in recent years and scientific experts like Dr. Fauci? What might they have done that slightly led the country into doubting scientists?

if I was a political pundit or a political expert within government in Washington, I would wonder, you know, not what it is that the public have got wrong, but what it is we have done in recent years that has undermined in the democratic process and much more. And it never, I never see it, you know. As a right turn of the thinker, I try to do self, I try to be self-critical. I try to think about whether I've got something wrong, and these people just don't. They're never wrong. It's always us, the public, that are wrong and need to be corrected.

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because this is with more people voting for their officials, more than any time in U.S. or world history, this year, more people will be voting in free and fair elections, hopefully, than ever before. What do we do? How do we solve this? Because they are going to start putting us one by one behind a wall that will not be easy to spot it first. I think it's increasingly easy to support, if I can say so. I think that the public today are so much more informed.

We are so much more informed than we were 10 years ago, or 20 years ago or 30 years ago. And one of the things is that a lot of things that tricks that could have been pulled on us 30 years ago are now very, very transparent. we have media that can address the problems when parts of the mainstream media get things wrong. We are no longer able to be simply lectured to or sermonized to from a pulpit at the New York Times. We no longer have a sort of innocence that we had as a public in the past. And I think that's a good thing. And it means that we're all, we're all beholden to, of know more, admittedly, and to see through more.

And to recognize that just as it's true, that sometimes we are told things that are completely true and we should trust some authority some of the time, we also shouldn't be completely trusting. And we can be skeptical. And we can, you know, do our own research to use a phrase that is now pooh-poohed by the so-called experts who say that it's dangerous for the public to do their own research. You know, we shouldn't be endlessly cynical, but nor should we. be endlessly trusting.

And we don't need to be. You know, if somebody simply told you, gave you one opinion on something incredibly important in your life, you probably wouldn't follow it. You probably want to check. Like, you know, when I get motor insurance, I don't go to one place for my, you know, insurance. Go ahead.

But I look around. Well, if we can do that with our cars, we can do it with our lives, and we can do it with our political future. And that's what we're all doing. And anyone who says, I'm the only font of news, I'm the only font of correct opinion, don't trust anyone other than me, is somebody you should distrust. And that's, you know, frankly, you know, the Washington Post tagline, democracy dies in darkness. You know, well, yeah, sure it does.

A media can die in darkness as well. And sometimes the people who say we're the only ones you can trust, like the Washington Post, might just be the ones who end up flipping in some. along the way. That's what they've done. And I think that we, the public, would have much better position now than we ever have been before to see through it. Douglas, always great to talk to you. Thank you so much. Thank you for everything. Such a pleasure. You bet. Great pleasure. Thank you. So, by the way, talking about the Washington Post, here's the headline from the story that he was referring to.

Doing your own, this is Washington Post. Doing your own research is a good way to end up being wrong. Well, yeah, you could be wrong. But just listening to the Washington Post and the New York Times and CNN and even Fox News, you got an equal chance of being wrong there. Do your own research. Never close your mind. Never stop asking questions. Humble yourself so you're not arrogant.

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Welcome to the Glenn Beck program. Let me hit a couple of things. First of all, we've just hit to the Who. Houthis again, the fifth strike now. And here's the president asked yesterday, are these air strikes effective? Are they stopping the Houthis? Listen to his response. Cut eight.

All right. Are they a air striking him and working? Well, when you say working, are they stopping the Houthis? No. Are they going to continue yet? What? Oh. What a government response.

When you say, is it working? I mean, well, it's not changing the behavior, but it's going to keep going. I mean, the missiles are operating as we predicted. They are going up in the air and eventually coming down. We want to make sure that those million-dollar missiles, you know, we put on a show for the Houthies. And they're just loving it. One other thing, there is the, you know, Javier. Malay went to speak at Davos and he spoke in Spanish and then we had a very bad translator who

was just reading it like and another thing I'm here to warn you that your hair is on fire and had no expression at all somebody has taken AI and regenerated his speech in his voice speaking in English cut one don't be intimidated by the police political caste or the parasites who live off the state. Don't yield to a political class that only wants to prolong its power and preserve its privileges. You are social benefactors. You are heroes. You are the creators of the most extraordinary era of prosperity we have ever experienced. Don't let anyone say ambition is immoral. If you earn money, it's because you provide a superior product, better price, contributing to well-being.

Do not yield to the advance of the state. The state is not the solution. The state is the problem itself. You are the true protagonists of this story and know that from today you have Argentina as an unconditional ally. Thank you very much and long life freedom, damn it. I mean, I don't know when he started to sound Indian. Didn't he sound a little like Gandhi there?

A little bit. Yeah. It's amazing though. And for those listening on radio, the video, they did it with video too. It looks just like he's saying. It looks just like he's saying it. Yeah.

I don't know how we're going to keep this under control. People fall for the dumbest crap. We're not. They're not. I mean, think of the things that people fall for all the time. And they're not going to fall for an actually perfect looking speech when someone's going to say that it's fate. Like someone's going to say put a video out of Donald Trump saying something horrible that he didn't say. And you think people are going to be, you think people are going to believe it?

Of course they have. I have to tell you, I've been talking to my attorneys recently about how do I protect my voice and my image? And they're like, dude, don't worry about the image. That thing is, that train has long pulled out of the station. AI will probably improve it. Yeah, he's like, he's like there is nothing. Make up AI, nothing can do for that. But, you know, because this is going to happen and it's going to be easy to make people say and,

And you'll see it. Remember when we first got into this, Stu, and you were an intern for the show. And I said, there's going to come a point where you won't believe your eyes. This is it.

We're here. You can't believe your ears or your eyes anymore. I mean, think about it too. Every single time this happens, right? Like this video that we just played. Yeah. You,

the way people know that it's AI is that you just told them that it's AI. Right? That's the only way you know, that it's AI, is that Glenn just said it was AI. Now, how does Glenn know? Well, the only reason Glenn knows its AI is because someone else reported that it was AI. And at some point, someone's going to try to do this not in a way, because this was just a way to assist people to understand what he said. Like, it was just a cool little project. Someone, some dark state actor

is going to try to do this to someone and we're not going to know, and the media is not going to come out and rescue that person. There is an app that I think people should have. There is an app that every video is run through and you can see if it's been augmented or changed. So, and I don't know, I don't know how accurate it is. I don't know, you know, if you can beat it, but somebody will beat it, especially a deep state actor. One other thing, and then I got to get to Fannie Willis, because this story is amazing. Here's the Wall Street editor-in-chief at Davos talking about miss and disinformation. Listen to this. Cut for it. So if you go back really not that long ago, as I say, we kind of, we owned the news.

We were the gatekeepers and we very much owned the facts as well. If it said it in the Wall Street Journal, the New York Times, then that was a fact. Nowadays, people can go to all sorts of different sources for the news and they're much more questioning about what we're saying. So it's no longer good enough for us just to say, this is what happened or here's this is the news. We have to explain our, almost like explain our working. So readers expect to understand how we saw stories. They want to know how we go about getting stories. We have to sort of lift the bonnet, as it were, and in a way that newspapers, you know, aren't used to doing and explain to people what we're doing.

We need to be much more transparent about how we go about collecting the news. Exactly right, exactly right. But I was a little disturbed by the we are the gatekeepers. You know, one thing I was thinking about recently with Christianity, and sometimes we just get so pompous in our knowledge about God and how right we are. And it bothers me when, and I'm talking about me, if I ever become like a gatekeeper, we're like, well, no, no, no, he can't come in. No, no, I'm the keeper of the gate. I'm not the keeper of the gate. You're not the keeper of the gate.

We should be the welcoming committee. That's what we should be. And when it comes to truth, I'm not going to tell you what the truth is and what the truth isn't. I'm going to give you my well-researched opinion on that. And facts can change. And I will correct it. But I'm the welcoming committee here. I welcome truth.

I'm welcoming it in. Come on. and we'll examine it from all sides. And that is our own personal responsibility to do that. I'm going to take a quick break because I want to come back with a Fannie Willis story. This story is getting, she's the woman that is going after Donald Trump in Georgia. Now, if you're going after somebody, the thing I wouldn't do is be involved in corruption in my personal life and my professional life. I would try to make sure that, you know, I didn't have any dirt that people were, you will not believe what this is turning into.

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Sit tight, boys and girls. We'll be right back after these messages. Welcome to the Glenn Beck program. So let's talk a little bit about Fannie Willis, the woman who is leading the prosecution against Donald Trump in Georgia. Yeah, her situation is getting a little complicated. You know, when you have, what is it, is it Facebook that used to have the thing with your relationships out and you, it's complicated?

That's kind of where it is with Fannie. She, of course, is going after Trump on 947 zillion charges. And her approach has been sort of hit pretty hard by the legal community saying she's overreaching here. But it also seems like the type of thing that they could get Donald Trump on because you're going to a jury that's not going to be friendly. And they are trying to blow this into the biggest case of all time, widely expansive. So the, the, everyone knows that part, I guess. But when you get to this part where you get Fannie Willis who hires someone, uh, and there's a friendship there, I guess is, is the way she's trying to describe it. Now, look.

friends with benefits, the charges, I guess. Very strong benefits. Very strong benefits. Benefits that just, she's screaming, benefits at the top of her lung and her neighbors can hear. Right. And so, at least that's the alleged, allegedly. Alleged.

Alleged. Yes. They're probably just friends. Platonic. And so this kind of comes out, and a bunch of it has come out in different ways, but one part of it comes out in a divorce proceeding. The guy that she's supposedly having an affair with, she's accused of having this affair in the divorce proceeding. And at the same time, people notice, hey, he was hired by Fannie Willis for and paid over $600,000 in fees to work this case.

Isn't it like every, all of the other experts in his role are being paid like a third of that? He's being way overpaid. The example, yeah, the example I know, because she, her first reaction to this was I pay all of the, equally. Then it came out that actually he was making, I think, $250 an hour. And the guy who actually wrote the statute that they're using to go after Trump is getting paid $150 an hour. Which, I mean, it seems like he might be the real expert here. Right. Yeah. So this is sort of dissolved now. And it's interesting to see her reaction to it because she immediately jumped to, I'm going to a black church to give a speech about racism against black women who you can't call, you can't say should be

perfect. Black women shouldn't be perfect. You can't hold them to this high standard. It's unfair to call them perfect. Like, no one's asking you to be perfect. We would like you to, I don't know, follow the law. And not be corrupt. Yeah, you're having an affair. You're having an affair. Fine. Okay. Don't, you know, I don't recommend it. Not a great idea. But it's not against the law. Hiring this guy and putting him on payroll, paying him more than the other experts, putting him on payroll and not going through the proper channels to make sure he's vetted for that job, that is a problem. Yeah.

That's a problem. And what we've told you here is what's been reported. It's interesting, though, it's hard at some times in these cases to know what's true, right? You're talking about something behind bedroom doors and, you know, this stuff will come out over time. What I think is fascinating, though, is her reaction has been so bizarre and defensive immediately. It's as if she knew these charges were going to be coming. she had prepared a defense. She was ready to roll out the PR response to it.

And honestly, if she's as bad at that as she is at investigating cases, this is going to be a catastrophe and it makes you almost optimistic for Donald Trump's future. So, Stu, if I say that you are obstructing and interfering with an ongoing criminal prosecution, if I tell you that, does that bother you? well i mean i would certainly hope i was i mean it wouldn't bother me legally but it would be very bothered by it sure yeah and you'd be like i got to check out what i'm doing right sure but if the attorney general uh or the district attorney came in and said stew you are obstructing and interfering with an ongoing criminal prosecution would that bother you yes very very much so why

well i'd be worried i was breaking the law that i was going to be thrown in prison that i was going to be charged with something? Yes, because the person saying it to you is the person who can charge you with it. Right. They have the power. So it's a threat. It's either informative, stop doing it, or a threat. Sure. She just came out and said Jocelyn Wade, who is married to the guy she's allegedly sleeping with, is using the legal process to harass and embarrass me. And in doing so is obstructing and interfering with an ongoing criminal prosecution. So she's saying by her bringing this up, she is interfering with this grand prosecution of the former president of the United States. You know what? Make that charge. Don't just say it. Make the charge. And that's

what Joshelins should say. Go ahead. Charge me with obstruction. do it do it she's not allowed to put what she believes the facts are of her marriage and her divorce paperwork like that that's how she's getting in the way of this i mean what's the accusation that like this she's a secret maga supporter right a big time maga person who's just like i just got to get the president i mean this is again we get into these conspiracy theories all the time and that's how this should be treated is a conspiracy theory but i mean the idea that this woman is putting this in here to, I mean, you could see a situation

where she's trying to get back at Fannie Willis because she's sleeping with her husband, right? Certainly you could see that type of situation playing out. I'm not saying she's Nell, you know, looking for the Canadian Mouty. Oh, I'm innocent. I'm tied

to the tracks. I'm not saying that. Right. She's a scorned woman. So, you know, but she has a right to say these things in her criminal. I mean, in her divorce trial. It makes a difference. Some way she's probably required to, right?

I mean, she's supposed to tell the truth. If this is happening and it actually did occur, as alleged, then, you know, she's supposed to put it in the paperwork, right? If it's, you know, important to the trial, people need to know. Next hour, I want to talk to you about your new electric vehicle. I'm sure it was someplace in the fine print because everybody's saying, oh, no, everybody knew this. No, I don't think Minnesota did

when they bought all those electric buses that they don't really work in cold weather. I don't know. That should have been maybe higher up on the priority list of things to mention when you're buying an EV. Wait until you hear this story. Coming up. the Glenn Beck program.

I'm going to say something here that has been said for thousands of years, and in America, currently, I am not going to go to jail or prison for it. Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanliness through the lusts of their own hearts to dishonor their own bodies between themselves. I love that, to dishonor their own bodies. who changed the truth of God into a lie and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator who is blessed forever, amen. For this cause, God gave them unto, unto vile affections, for even their women did change their

natural use into that which is against nature, and likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another, men with men working, that which is unseemly and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error, which was meat. Now, should you go to prison for that? Should you be charged with a crime against humanity for tweeting that? In Finland, I'm sure you've heard this story of a member of the Finnish parliament. She has now been tried using the law of crimes against humanity. She has been tried twice.

She is now being tried a third time for tweeting that. Finnish member of Parliament joins me in 60 seconds. So excited to have her on. What a brave, brave woman. The burner launcher. One of the biggest perks of my job is I get to try out a lot of products. that I talked to you about. And I turned down more advertising than I accept by far.

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our old friend, Kristen Wagoner. She is Alliance Defending Freedom's CEO and president and also general counsel. And Dr. Pavi Ra Sonen. Did I say that right? Pavi Ra. Yes. Yes.

Yes. Yes. Yes. Rathanan. Yes. Okay, well, welcome to the program. I've been watching your case, and it's an honor to have you on the program. I think you are so brave, believe it or not, I can't believe I'm saying this, for quoting the Bible. Can you tell us how this whole thing started? So, thank you for having me. It is so happy to be. I'm happy to be here. Yes, this started over four years ago when I was shocked when I heard that the Finnish Evangelical Lutheran Church, which is the main church of Finland, its leadership decided officially to support and also financially to support the Helsinki Pride event.

Okay. So hang on just a second. You are a proud member of the Evangelical Lutheran Church of Finland. Yes, I am. And in 2019, they decided to have a Pride 2019 event. And as a member of the congregation, you tweeted about it, right? Yes, I tweeted about it. And I made a question to the leadership of my church that how does this fit to the foundation of the church

and these Bible verses that you just read. And after that, then it was a surprise to me that police started to investigate the case when some citizen had made a criminal complaint about this. After that, there became more criminal complaints about an old spam set that I had written already 2004. And then there was also a radio show. And because...

Okay, hang on just a second. Hang on just the name of... I want to find this here, because the name of that pamphlet is so gentle. It kills me. I can't find it. What was the name of the pamphlet?

And female he created thing. Male and female he created, colon. What's the rest of it? Homosexual relationships, talents. I love this. Homosexual relationships. relationships challenge Christianity. Challenge.

Yes. I mean, you couldn't be more academic about it. Yes. In fact, what I speak there in that pamphlet, what I write, it is about, I would say, classical Christianity, what churches have taught for hundreds of years, that the marriage is between man and woman, one man and one woman, and that also the sexual relationships belongs to that relationship. And I also spoke about that the other relationships are against God's will.

So very simple and classical Christian belief, so we don't, for example, that, All human beings are valuable. All are created as the image of God. Correct. So now you were charged... There was no hate speech. No hate speech. Right.

I know. You were challenging your church. What do we believe? You were charged with agitation against a minority group, which comes under the section of the criminal code titled War Crimes and Crimes Against Humanity. I just, this is amazing to me. I wanted to get Kristen in for this. I mean, that, that sounds really bad to be charged with that, really bad.

Yes, it does sound really bad. In Finland, we have, we have the law about agitation against minorities. Right. Quite similar laws are in other European countries. and yes. Okay. So Christian, what does it mean? What penalties is that?

What does this mean? Well, it can carry a potential penalty of two years in prison. Thankfully, the prosecution hasn't asked for time in prison, but they were demanding very high fines and, again, convicting her of the hate crimes, of initially charging her with three hate crimes. What I would also bring out, Glenn, that PIV didn't stay is the timing of these statements. So, you know, in terms of the timing of the different statements, the pamphlet was written in 2004, many, many years before this all began. And actually, even before this particular law was put in place.

And then the, you know, in terms of the other radio program, that was 2019, so really what happened was, The tweet went out, a Finnish prosecutor decided to launch with the police a full-bore investigation into every public statement that Pivey had made during the course of a nearly 30-year political career in Finland as serving her country in a variety of areas. Again, serving as a part of parliament for 30 years, she's a doctor and she's a pastor's wife. So it would be only appropriate that she would speak out on this issue. And whether you agree with her or not, she has the right to be able to express her beliefs. So Pivey, what has happened to your reputation? Have you effaced a new election since all of this has been going on? And what's happening?

Last April, we had to parliamentary elections in Finland. And I'm happy that I was reelected. And I got even more vote. than four years ago. So I'm so happy that people trust on me still. So let me ask you again back to Christian. This is again, the elites, the government, going against obviously what people are feeling that are voting for her. She doesn't have any hate. Now, this is the third time she's been charged, or is this just, are they just kicking it up finally to the Supreme Court?

Is this like an American system, or does she have to be recharged each time? There are some similarities to the American system, but then some things that are very different that make this even worse than what someone would experience here in the U.S. She was charged with three crimes, three hate crimes, and that went to the trial court level like we would have here. She was fully exonerated. There was a finding of not guilty in the trial court level, and we were privileged to support that legal defense. But unlike the U.S. system, when you are found not guilty in Finland of a crime, the prosecutor can choose to appeal that to the next level. And so, again, with just a vicious prosecution, designed to have, I think, a chilling effect to send a message to Finnish citizens. if we can get Pivey, we can get any one of you, then they appealed it.

And we won, again, in a unanimous decision with multiple judges, Pivey was found not guilty. And now the prosecution has again asked the Finnish Supreme Court to hear the case one more time. And that would be the equivalent of asking our U.S. Supreme Court to hear a case. So, A, if she wins again, that's no guarantee they'll stop. I mean, you know, here in the United States, we're seeing it. Show me the person. I'll show you the crime. And they're going to take you out if they want to take you out or they're going to try.

With the Supreme Court, because they don't have the First Amendment, which we have, and really nobody's listening to it right now. But at least we have it. They don't have First Amendment right. So how is she winning? Why is she winning? Well, the freedom of expression and speech is a fundamental right that is guaranteed by every major human rights treaty. And there are also guarantees in Finnish law to free expression. And I think it's important for Americans to understand there are not any magic words in our First Amendment. Many Western democracies have language in their constitutions and international treaties that protect these rights.

we know they're fundamental rights. They're not American rights. They're pre-political. And so she does have protections under the law. And that's what the lower courts have recognized in the past. If she wins at the Finnish Supreme Court, it will set the precedent for all of Finland and protect others and send a message to the world. If she loses, it will be a very ominous decision, not only just for Finland, but for all Western democracies. Because Because when we lose free speech, we blur the line between democracy and dictatorship. So, Pavi, when, you know, I don't know anything really about Finland. The only thing I can say in Finnish is Kexie, which I think is cookie, right?

But, of course I would loan that one. But I understand that Finland is not a real, deeply religious country. What do the non-religious people feel about all of this? I think that in Finland, the general atmosphere towards this case is quite divided. The LGBT advocates are quite active in Finnish society and also in our main church. And they have hoped that this process would continue and it would end to my my conviction. But of course, I have also a lot of supporters in Finland, and also those people who are Christians, other faith, many of them have supported me. Even though that they disagree with me,

but they support the freedom of speech. Free speech, yes. Free speech and freedom of faith. So I, I, I, I, I, I, I think that my calling and my privilege has been to defend and to fight for these important freedoms in our society and also to testify about the biblical teachings and testify about Jesus in the same time. You are, you're amazing. I mean, heroes are being created every day all around the world because in, you know, in other times we didn't have to stand up for anything. just accepted. Now you actually have to risk something for your faith or your point of view, and I have so much admiration for you. I have one more question, but I have to take a break for commercial. So back in 60 seconds, let me tell you about American giant. In the 1960s, 95% of the clothing Americans bought made right here in the U.S. Now 97% of it is made overseas.

Whether it's medicine, our cars, our clothing, we don't make anything anymore. We the financial capital of the world. Well, a lot of good that's done because we've screwed that one up. Look, here's the thing. There's this company called American Giant. I founded about 40 years ago. I so believe in their founder and his mission, and that is to bring manufacturing back to America. Just 5, 10% of our manufacturing so we can make things. He's made a big, big difference. In North Carolina, there was a factory shutting down. He took a... over. He bought, you know, the sweatshirts that we used to have our dad's had back in the 50s and 60s. They were the best. Well, we sold those machines a year ago to Japan. He went, he found the

machines, brought them back, trained this whole facility on those machines, and they make the best sweatpants and sweatshirts you've ever, ever worn. Buy American now at American-dash-giant.com slash glen american dash giant dot com slash glen 10 seconds station id pavi i have to tell you i i want to print up i want to print up you know t-shirts with uh romans just saying romans 1 25 through 27 uh just because we can um if i do that i'd like to raise money for you are you how are your legal fees christian how is this working for her how is she paying for all this? Well, Alliance Defending Freedom International is able to provide our services pro bono, and we have a Finnish attorney that has also joined this battle, who's an allied attorney as well.

And PIVI might want to answer that more fully, but all of our services are funded by those who want to just give to the ministry and support people like Pivey. Pivey? How are you holding up? Yes, I'm very thankful for ADF. The support of ADF has been very valuable. And also the extatized that they have, it has been very important for me during this case. Yeah. Well, I so appreciate it.

Kristen, I urge everybody in my listening audience, this is a cause you can get behind that will make a difference because it's making a difference all around the world. ADF makes, I mean, they're involved in so much and it's all about freedom of speech and religion. ADF legal.org. ADF legal.org please donate if you have anything extra, even see if you can make it monthly. And Kristen, if you want, you print up the T-Shall, I can get them at a great discount. I'll even print them up. And then you just, you can sell them and I'll drive people to your site so they can sell it. I, I mean, I can't believe somebody is being charged with a crime under crimes against humanity for quoting the Bible. We really need to appreciate

how free we are here. Thank you both. God bless. Anything I can do, please let us know. and I please, as an audience member, I think this is so critical. Please go to adflegal.org right now and make a donation. ADFlegal.org. This has to be stopped. One country at a time. ADFlegal.org. Living with pain is so difficult, so terrible that sometimes we often love nothing better

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EVs. Just a little one. Just a little one. Here's a reporter in Chicago from Fox 32 doing a report on a little problem with EVs that they're finding in Chicago. Cut two, please. Electric cars may be the way of the future, but it's clear there are some problems when it comes to charging them in Chicago's deep freeze. Oh, we got a bunch of dead robots out here. Dead robots. Dead Tesla's packed the parking lot at this Tesla supercharging station in Oak Brook, a scene mirrored in other supercharging stations around the Chicago area.

Man, this is crazy. It's a disaster. Seriously. With temperatures falling into the negative double digits, these charging ports have stopped charging, leaving many Tesla owners stranded here in long lines since Sunday. Nothing, no juice. It's still on zero percent. And this is like three hours this morning being out here after being out of eight hours yesterday. Has you been charging? No, not at all. It just isn't working. It's just frozen. And so I'm now getting it towed to the Tesla Cyrus Center because that's not only option at this point. So apparently, uh, it doesn't work. Now, the White House wants everybody to know this. Cut one.

On electric vehicles, there's been, with the extreme weather, there's been some difficulty in getting those battery charged. Do you have any thoughts on that? As you know, the administration has been really pushing for EVs to be the future of car transportation. Do you have any thoughts on the troubles with charging those batteries? Well, as a car owner, I can promise you that whether you have a gas powered vehicle, a hybrid powered vehicle, and a fully electric vehicle, extreme weather temperatures impact the the functioning of your car, right? So that is not unique to electric vehicles. Oh, okay. So it's not unique to electric vehicles. I know I couldn't fill up my gas tank just the other day because it was so cold and my car wouldn't work. So, oh no. No, no. As a matter of fact, I could pump gas into my car and my car worked fine. You know, the cold start thing

happens, you know, sure, with diesel, but that's why you have glow plugs. And you know who found this out is Minnesota. Minnesota bought a whole bunch of these electric buses because, you know, I just love school buses. The yellow school bus? Who doesn't love those? So they bought a lot of these that Kamala Harris was pushing and they haven't been working this winter. Can't get them to work. So all sorts of stories like this glenn i actually heard someone on the front where you mentioned the this is not unique to electric vehicles i heard someone trying to justify that this and they said you know in the in the early days of of cars you had to you know get an engine block warmer and uh you know there's no fuel injection so yeah it's like really yeah we're not in the early

days of cars yeah i think we solved that in the 1970s yeah a long long time ago yeah like 50 years ago It was solved. There's a story in the New York Times, and to the credit of the mainstream media, they actually are covering this. Now, they're making their excuses for it. But, you know, people, it's not only just the chargers aren't working when you get to the charger, but then if you get to the charger, there's likely a long line at the charger because no one else's car is working properly.

What they've seen is people with, you know, these cars all say like, okay, you have 30 miles left and you need to get, you know, I have that feature in my car too, which is a gas-powered car. gives you an estimate about what about that what that is and it's always pretty darn close. If anything, it seems to be that they estimate that you have more range than you, or you have a less range than you do so that you don't, you know, screw up and not get to the gas station. Electric vehicles, they're saying people, they have quotes in the times of people who are saying, well, I had 30, it said I had 30 miles of range and then five minutes later I was out of battery. So like, it's not, it can't even tell how much it has.

People are losing a third of their charge overnight. They go, it's fully charged. They go to bed. They wake up. They have two thirds of a charge. Listen to this spin from a misinformation doctor, okay? When we all know the truth, everybody likes to go to Vegas. These electric cars just bring Vegas to you.

You never know. I could win today. I could lose. Yeah. It's the excitement of Vegas in your car. And like in Vegas, when you lose, you lose your $5 slot pole in, in, in, you. these you just are out in freezing cold temperatures with no way to really solve the problem. There is nothing, nothing wrong with that. Nothing wrong with that. You know, we lose a few people

along the way. We reduce the surplus population. We all know that. I am, I did an amazing interview with Tony Robbins recently. And Tony and I become friends, I guess you could say. I mean, I don't know. These, you know what these celebrities are like. Um, and, uh, he's just changed my family's life. Um, my wife had been dealing with her, uh, with her brother, who she was closest to, I think, in the family, uh, committing suicide. And it just threw her for a loop. Um, my job has actually changed her a great deal as well, you know, not in the positive way. She is, she's become very, uh, suspicious of people and everything else and changed in ways that I don't like because she's

she's just so sweet and kind and and then I've had a struggle with a couple of my kids and suicide attempts and one of those was my son and I was at the end of my rope and I know Tony Robbins so I called him and I said Tony I'm in trouble and I don't know what to do and he said send him to me Send him to one of my things. He said, we have a very good record on depression. He said, in fact, I think it was Harvard, just did a study. And the results of Tony Robbins programs on depression are unheard of. Unheard of.

They're not even close to therapy. They're not close to medicinal therapy. It's just a whole different world. And so I did, and I sent him there. And my wife and I went with him, and we walked over hot coals. So he's talking about the hot coal thing and why it's important. A lot of people think, oh, this is a, you know, this is a gimmick or this is, you know, those are not really hot.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, they are. But he does it for a specific reason. And, you know, when you see people at Tony Robbins and they're like, yeah, and cheering and jumping up and down, I did. I thought it was weird. But Tony explains he's changing your state. And because it's just like when you read something and you speak it out loud, you have a better chance of remembering it when you're writing and speaking out loud, you're using two of your senses. It's kind of like that. But here he is on biochemistry and firewalking from this week.

podcast. They send people in 13 different countries, measured people in real time, and it looks like music. I go into these states biochemically, and the audience follows me, and they get to the state. That's how we have people do the firewalk or the woodbreaking. They get to the state where they can push

the fear aside, and they can push through, because they have strong testosterone and low cortisol. So that biochemistry is why it's retained. If I asked you where you were on 9-11, almost every person, even from other countries, tells you where they were, what they saw, the moment they saw. If I asked you where you were in 8-11,

because information without emotion is barely retained. Information with a lot of emotion is massively retained. So I create states, your son is an example of that, where people are in these peak states of mine biochemically, and that's why they retain it and produce the result. I will tell you that I think that I was so impressed by the way, I mean, use every sense, every sense to put people in the state. Yeah.

And it's not... Any movement, sound music. Right, everything. And you, you know, oh, he's a guru. No, he's not. You're not doing any of that. That's right. And you say it on stage.

First of all, I'm not your guru. But you also say, look, this is what we're doing to your body. And you're showing it. Right, right, right. But you're showing how it all works. And it's... And by the way, you're doing it. Your son, like he could have just watched that, but he participated fully.

He got himself in those states. He starts to realize who he really is. No. And he's still got a lot of learning and stuff to go in his life. But he has a totally different foundation to look at life through because his biochemistry has changed and wasn't with drugs. Right. And Tony and I, I mean, she said, we're not going to walk on fire. I'm not going to walk on fire.

And I told her before we went, I said, you know those people that wear the cheese block hats, you know, the green date backers? I said, if you're going to Tony Robbins, you're. You have to just put yourself in that mindset. I'm just going to wear a big cheese pocket. And I'm going for it. I don't care. And as you know, we don't push anybody to do it. And people always say, I'm not going to do it.

And then they get in the environment and they're in a different state. Yeah. And of course, it's not about the firewalk. It's about whatever stops you in life. That's the fires. Yeah, right. It's like this thing that normally stops you as fear and you learn how to snap out of it and do it anyway.

You know, I used to use skydiving in the beginning, but it got hard to get 10,000 people in the middle of the sky over New York City the middle of the night, you know, so I had to find other metaphors. Right. And when people are at home, I can, I'm all starting fires around the world and, you know, 500 countries. So we do woodbreaking. We show them something normally. Roddy, who take a year to learn, they do it a few minutes, but we use it as a metaphor breaking through what's stopping. Correct. And then it becomes more physical instead of just intellectual. Yeah, it wasn't, what was so great is she did it for a different reason, I did it for a different reason.

And it was, what's your worst fear that's going to stop you? Yeah. and hot coals. You know, it's not my worst fear, but that stops you. And once you walk across them, it just changes. Yeah, because your brain goes, if I can get myself through this thing that I once thought was impossible or at least difficult,

what else do I think is impossible or difficult that I can also crush with just a few changes in strategy. Yeah. That's the value of it. That's why I use it as a metaphor. But as you know, that happens to the first night of the four-day program. I don't think that's going to be the peak. And, you know, day three, day four, it's a whole different level than they ever dreamed of, you know, it's fun to do.

It's a remarkable thing. I'm sorry, I just lost my earphone, so I didn't hear the last bit of that interview. But it is an incredible interview to listen. It was two hours. It's the longest interview I've ever done with anyone because he just gets on a role. And he talks about finances. He talks about the economy. he talks about something he's these sharing he's written a new book and he's sharing some things

that he's been involved in financially that he's like this is wrong how come this is how the rich get richer because i have access to something and i know something that nobody else does and they can't participate because they can't participate at these levels and so he has found a way for you to participate in in something and he's not you know he's It's not, he's not making money off of it. But I, uh, it is, it is so well worth your time. Again, it's two hours with Tony Robbins, but two hours that, you know, usually would cost an awful lot of money.

He is now a billionaire. He's involved in over a hundred companies. He's, he's counseled four different presidents. He talks about what Bill Clinton called him and said, I got a problem. He's like, yeah, maybe you should probably should have called me earlier. but he's counseled presidents, CEOs, some of the biggest people, Nelson Mandela, we talk about that, and he found that they, we all have the same basic problems.

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And he's... Sorry. That's good. My headphones keep unplugging because I'm so fat, I think. Anyway, I want to thank the people at 610 WIOD in Miami, Fort Lauderdale. They have been so gracious. And the program director, who is the first, and she doesn't want me to say this because she, so regrets it. She was the first person to actually believe in this show from the outside, you know.

she recognized the potential in the show, which we've never lived up to, and said, I want to hire you. And she's the person that hired us. She was affiliate number one at WPHT in Philadelphia. And it was so great to see her greet us at the door today, program director Grace Blazer at WIOD. So thank you, Grace, for all of the support from the very beginning. She even said she misses you, Stu. Oh, wow. Well, I mean, she's got the priorities correct, of course.

He said he's turned into a monster. It's a monster. That's me. Yeah. It's been a long and interesting road. I mean, you think about back when around that time was when we were dealing with the George W. Bush Al Gore election. I mean, it was. Can you imagine what we did as a comedy bit back then, we made a giant waffle head.

a float that looked like he, because he was waffling on everything, we made it look like John Kerry in his head was a giant waffle. And it spoke and it said, we had said things that we don't remember, Glenn. Oh, we don't remember the exact details of what it said at this time. Yeah, but it was funny. It was comedy at the time. Now, oh my gosh, now it would be crimes against humanity.

Speak your mind. Say the things you believe. There are many things that I believe that I shall never say, but I shall never say the things that I do not believe. Say them while you can.