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Episode Date: April 30, 2024

Glenn and Stu react to Nancy Pelosi's recent breakdown during an interview when Trump was brought up. Why did the Biden administration pay an OnlyFans model to push out political propaganda? The Christian bishop who was stabbed by an Islamic extremist has recovered, and his first sermon back leaves Glenn, Stu, and Pat Gray speechless. Rockford University philosophy professor Stephen Hicks joins to unpack Tucker Carlson's recent interview with Aleksandr Dugin, whom Glenn has dubbed one of the most dangerous men in the world. Blaze News staff writer Joseph MacKinnon joins to explain why NPR's CEO, Katherine Maher, may be far more nefarious than we think. Glenn's chief researcher and head writer, Jason Buttrill, joins as he and Glenn ponder whether we're seeing a color revolution playing out in America right now.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Yes, it is. Welcome to the Glenn Beck program. I'm going to show you, kids. this is what happens if you do your homework. This is what happens if you apply yourself. You can be one of the two people. First, let me ask you. Stu, what do you think the big story of the day is? I would say, what's the big story we have to hit? Columbia, maybe the occupation of Columbia.

You know, I mean, by the way, that was, I want you to know, not an insurrection of Columbia. No, definitely wasn't. I did not hear that at all. No, it wasn't even the darkest day in our history. since, I don't know, Monday. Right. So it was nothing to see there. But kids, I just want you to know, this is why Stu's not in the Hall of Fame,

and I am, because the biggest story is about cannibalism. Yes, now the president gave this cockamamie story about cannibalism. You know, his uncle was eaten by cannibals. I don't think any of that is true. And he even, you know, by doing so, he put our longstanding friendship with New Guinea. in jeopardy. I mean, that's hard to do, but he did it. Cannibalism.

It's actually happening, and I will show you, it's happening in Washington, I will show you the evidence of it in 60 seconds. Twice do will never be in the Hall of Fame. Lisa wrote in about her dog's experience with Rough Green. She says, I have a disability. I have a disability assist service dog. She's a precious English black lab, and I want to take care of her.

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833 G-L-E-N-N-33 or roughgreens.com slash Beck. Sarah, I think we need the cannibal update. Do we have the cannibal update music? Because I have been very concerned about cannibalism ever since Joe Biden brought it up, and I thought it's cannibalism, you know, we all thought it was over, but then again, we all thought the Soviet Union was over, right?

We thought that threat was over. cannibalism is real and it's on display and it involves well let me show you here is nancy pelosi involved in cannibalism on msnbc and joe biden is doing that created nine million jobs in his term in office donald trump as the worst record of job loss of any president so we just have to make sure people know. That was a global pandemic. He had the worst record of any president. We've had

other concerns in our country. If you want to be an apologist for Donald Trump, that may be your role. But it ain't mine. And he has a worst. And we, no, but let me just say, as a speaker of the House, we put forth a $3 trillion bill. $3 trillion of

investment in communities and the rest. And that is stimulates the economy. I mean, now I don't know which one is in the pot here, which one's eating the other. But they are eating each other. So cannibalism, another update coming soon because it seems to be going around now. And that's a real problem. Now, let's do go to Columbia because it was, what happened there yesterday was definitely not an insurrection.

Right, Stu? Definitely not. Nothing to see. No, no, no, not at all. That was just... It was a protesters, Glenn. Those are protesters peacefully protesting, mostly in favor of the rapists and murderers in Hamas. That's all?

That's all that was. Okay. Okay. Well, let me show you some things that happened. This is in a library in Virginia. I mean, listen to that noise. The librarian, her head exploded immediately. She was like, shh, shh, shh.

They were riot police were there. They stormed and took over the library at the Virginia Commonwealth University in Richmond, Virginia. And they continued to talk out loud, not in whispers. And it was not good. It was not good. Here is from UCLA, a Jewish student that is being blocked from using the main entrance. I have my ID right here. I'm being blocked off, not by the security guard, but by you two.

You three. Oh, look, they're making their burger while. I'm going this way. This is what they do. Everybody, look at this. Look at this. I'm a UCLA student. I deserve to go here.

We pay tuition. This is our school. And they're not letting me walk in. My class is over there. I want to use that entrance. Well, I can't take it. Will you let me go in? This can be over in a second.

Just let me and my friends go in to class. They're not engaging. you can move. Will you move? Okay, we're going. I'm not engaging. I'm going in. I don't, I have my hands up. I'm not hurting them. I'm not hurting them.

That's what they do. That's what they do, everybody. You guys are promoting aggression. You guys are promoting hate. Where UCLA students, we deserve to be there. True, but he's forgotten all the microaggressions. Stu, your thoughts. Oh, well, I mean, I think we should give an award to the same. security guard who stands there and does absolutely nothing and allows them to block this person's progress as he's trying to go to class. That's just like, wow, you know, he should get a Hamas

award. Congratulations to him. I mean, that's completely, completely unbelievable that they're allowing this to go on. And it's happening in, you know, campus after campus after campus. Did you see the latest polls that Americans are for Israel? I think it's like 80% something like that for Israel. I know. I was just, I was talking to somebody like, oh man,

that's good to see because you do see in the media a lot of times. It feels like, I don't know, this is like some close call. And Americans are like, what is it, 75, 25, uh,

in favor of Israel, Israel over Hamas. And I said, that's terrible. 75% of people, Israel over, Hamas? Not even like a hidden oh, the Palestinian

people or whatever they usually pitch. No, this is the actual recognized terrorist group was used in the poll. This should be 99 to 1. 75% sucks for that poll. I guess

I've just been beaten down so far. I'm just like oh that's good. 12 people in America are still for the Jews. is a little being down by it. You know, just a little bit. Do you see what the University of Florida said yesterday? That they're not going to tolerate it. They are not a preschool.

You know the rules. You break them. You're out. Boy, I can imagine living in that fascistic society of Florida. Can you imagine that? They hold you to the rules. You sign, you know, when you sign it for school, you read the rule book. You're breaking the rules.

You're out. Where everywhere else, they're negotiating. with these people, you know? And I just think negotiating with terrorists is such a smart idea. It's so, it's, well, so today, you know, so open-minded, so woke, so great. So one of the, one of the, I think it was Northwestern negotiated to have Palestinians, you know, come up and speak on campus. So they're going to get, they're going to get some, I don't know, Hamas members. Why not?

I mean, they did it with the Nazis. They literally did this exact same thing with the Nazis in the 1930s. Why should we expect a different outcome? It's the same kind of people, the same group of people. They're fine with that. Totally fine with that. By the way, Spielberg is now doing propaganda for Joe Biden. I mean, no, he's not.

He's just, he's looking into ways. It's not propaganda. He's looking in ways to enhance the president's. message and help that message get out like Nancy Pelosi just did. I love that. She was shocked when somebody in the media turned around and said it was a pandemic. But that's what everybody says. Play that again. This is what everybody says to their television when they hear that stat. Everybody says that. And Joe Biden is doing that. Created 9 million jobs in his term in office. Donald Trump has the worst record of job loss of any president.

So we just have to make sure people know. That was a global pandemic. He had the worst record of any president. We've had other concerns in our country. If you want to be an apologist for Donald Trump, that may be your role. But it ain't mine. And she doesn't have any real comeback for it. No.

She has never been challenged on that. She's literally stunned in that. moment that someone would point out to her the most obvious thing in the world that every single voter understands obvious and this is showing up in the polls like crazy that people don't even look at the pandemic as part of Trump's economy they don't they don't judge it that way they look at it and they say well it was doing really well before this really terrible thing that happened we obviously a lot of jobs were lost and obviously the you know American people want to coming back to work after it was over.

And Biden's trying to take credit for all that. And the most fascinating part about this is if you're going to criticize Trump on his performance in the economy when it comes to the pandemic, you're going to hit him on the shutdowns, right? Like he was in favor of the shutdowns early. Which, okay, I think that's a fair criticism. Certainly from the right, it's a fair criticism. However, the Democrats supported every single one of those policies and tried to drag out the shutdowns for another year and a half after Trump stopped supporting them.

So there's absolutely no argument whatsoever. Everybody knows. Everyone remembers COVID-19. Everyone remembers the period. Everyone remembers being told they couldn't go to work anymore for a few months. Everybody remembers this. And the fact that they keep trying to pitch this is so insultingly stupid that Katie Tor can't even let it happen on MSNBC.

And she's called a Trump apologist for it. Yeah, she's just, Katie Tour. She is not a conservative. no she's not even anywhere close to that she can't stand Donald Trump she can't stand him she's just she's embarrassed is not even a word she's embarrassed by the point that nancy Pelosi is making she she feels the internal poll to she has to point it out it's such a stupid uh point and i feel like i actually glen have a bit of sympathy for certain democrats in these in these moments where like you know katy tour who's obviously no conservative is like what do you mean a trump

apologist. Look at what I've, look at my record. I've done nothing but bashed Trump for years and years and years and years. The same thing with Joe Biden. He's being criticized as genocide Joe. He's done so much to hurt the Jews. Why are you, why are you? He's done so much to ruin their ability to kill terrorists and stop their people from being raped. He's done so much. He's contributed so much of this cause and these protesters won't give him credit for it. I think I personally think that this is genocide Joe is it's it's better to call him genocide Joe from our side than their side. He's been funding the Iranians who wanted genocide on all the Jews. He is genocide Joe. They're just mixed up on who he wants to help kill. By the way, this is what you would call propaganda. What

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Welcome to the Glenn Beck program. We're glad that you are listening. I don't know if you saw the only fans star Farah Khalidi. Do we have the audio of her? She was yesterday doing an interview and she is, you know, she's a big influencer on TikTok. And here's what she talked about. I started TikTok like the spring semester of my senior year. And I was like, fuck, I finally have to start applying for law school. And then like, you know, female privilege, life is so easy for a, you know, woman. Obviously, I lucked out.

I'm just kidding. I lucked out. And then, you know, TikTok was basically full time for me. I was taking ads by the time I graduated college from like the Biden administration and Planned Parenthood and like dating apps and stuff. So it was like fully financially, you know, sustaining. So you were getting, the Biden administration was buying ads from you? Yeah, I was doing full on political propaganda.

And they would just, really with like what kind of like Biden created 10 million jobs? Yeah. Yeah, honestly. And the funny thing is they're like, do not disclose this is an ad because, you know, they're like, technically it's not a product. You don't have to disclose it's an ad. Because I think they just wanted like some edgy girl of color to just tell people like when they nominated like Katanji Brown Jacks. And they're like, can you say like as a person of color that you feel reflected? And it's like a white woman emailing this to me.

And she's like giving me this script. And I'm like, no. And she's like, please. And I'm like, no, I'll say, I'll like talk about the news of it. But I'm not going to be like, I'm not going to have a white person tell me to be like, you know, this is how I feel as a person of color. Like it's just so I think that black filled me slightly on like, you know, political propaganda. So the Biden administration sees, oh, here's this young. Yeah.

I mean, you know what I mean? It's not like, you know what I mean? It's not Biden. But it's like a third party. You know what I mean? It's like a media company that's doing it on his behalf. but I'm not blaming him for this. Yeah.

And the message is like, because you're a dark-skinned woman, you will be inspired by Kataji Brown Jackson and all the kids should support her. Yeah, they're like basically as like another black person, just say that like you feel reflected by Katanji. I'm like, no, I'll talk about like Katanji's background and her accomplishments. But like I never, you know what I mean? Like I'm never, I'm not going to say like the corny stuff. Even if it was a brown person emailing it to me,

I'm like, no, that's not like how I feel. Like I don't look at like Katanji and feel like, wow. Yeah. Hmm. Yeah. Yeah. You know what caught me there was it's not officially a product so you don't have to disclose that it's an ad. First of all, I don't know if that's true, by the way.

Yeah. First of all, I don't think that's true. Second of all, notice that she went along with it. She said, well, yeah, but I'm not going to say the things they wanted me to say. I'll talk about those things. But I'm not, well, no, you're still engaged in what you know to be propaganda. And you were fine with that. You know the reason why I always say this half hour brought you by or our sponsor this half hour or something like that?

Because I never, ever want you to think that I am scamming you somehow or another, that one part of the conversation leads into something else. And sometimes it does. And it just happens to be a well-placed ad. but I will always say this is a commercial. This is an ad. This is a sponsor. Because when that happens and you figure it out, you feel betrayed. I know this because I know I feel that way.

Oh, wait a minute. How much of this thing was a damn commercial? How much of it does he really believe and how much is he being paid for? Well, in my case, I believe my sponsors. I reject more than I accept. How do people, I mean, you're on OnlyFans, so, you know, you're just like, get to it. I don't really care. But does anybody feel betrayed?

Is anybody worried? Where is the precious news media? Can you imagine if I were doing that and Donald Trump, through surrogates, was paying me to talk about certain things that he had done? And then wanted me to say, you know, and I really feel validated. by this? I really do. Because you know, he likes white people and I'm a white person and so I really feel validated by that.

And I didn't tell you that he was paying me to say that. It's grotesque for me to say that even if he weren't paying me. But if he's paying me and I don't tell you, what is wrong with our country? It's amazing. If you

can't trust Farha Khalidi, who can you trust? Who can you trust? Who can you trust? Well, I mean, what's the difference between what Stephen Spielberg is now doing for the White House? Spielberg is now helping him orchestrate propaganda and orchestrate, you know, how to lie to the American people and pull it off. What is the difference? Does nobody on the left care about the truth anymore?

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So a couple of weeks ago, there was a Greek Orthodox bishop that was stabbed while blessing the sacrament during his mass. He was stabbed by a Muslim man and stabbed in the... the face and in the eye. We didn't know how he was faring. We knew that he was going to recover shortly thereafter, but he is back at work. Now, let me refresh your memory on who this guy is, and we welcome Pat Gray from Pat Gray Unleashed into the studio. If you remember, this is the guy, well, play the incident because it was broadcast live. stabbed in the head, a la Akbar.

Now, they wanted this removed because it was causing people to look at the Islamic extremism and say, hey, this is a problem. The government didn't want anything to do with that. So they told the media, they told TikTok, they told Facebook,

Google, have it all removed, YouTube, have all of this removed. well, X wouldn't because, you know, Elamah said this is history. And you have a right to see this. Well, the government came bearing down on him. Listen to this from their prime minister.

Well, this guy is showing his arrogance. He's a billionaire over there in the United States who thinks he's above Australian law. And the idea that someone would go to court for the right to put up violent content on a, platform shows how out of touch Mr. Musk is. Stop. Is it not violent content? It is history. It's history.

Now, listen to the senator from Australia saying the same thing about Elon Musk. This isn't about freedom of speech. No, no, no. Next one. Next one, please. Do you have the next one? The senator? If not, no big deal.

Okay. Now, Marmari, Bishop Marmari, has returned and he gave his sermon cut five listen to this i say to our beloved the australian government and our beloved prime minister the honorable mr albanese i believe in one thing and that is the integrity and the identity of the human being this is my belief, and this is above all my Christian belief, for this human identity, this human integrity is a God-given gift, no one else. Every human being has the right to the freedom of speech and freedom of religion.

every human being. The Buddhist has the right to express their belief. The Hindus have the right to express their beliefs. The Muslims have the right to express their beliefs. The atheists have the right to express their beliefs. Also the Christians have the right to express their beliefs. And for us to say that free speech is dangerous, that free speech

cannot be possible in a democratic country I'm yet to fathom this I'm yet to fathom this we should be able as civilized human beings as intellectuals we should be able

to criticize to speak and maybe at some certain times we may sound or we may come across offensive to somewhat degree but we should be able to say I should not worry for my life to be exposed to threat or to be taken away his sermons are so clear on what we're facing with good versus evil this is one of the reasons why they wanted this swept. They don't want to make him even bigger than he already is in Australia, because he is saying the things that anybody who understands freedom believes in. One last clip, and then I'd like to get Pat's thoughts on this. One last, this is the

first part of his sermon, cut four. Listen to this. I've said it before, and I'll say it again, this young man who did this act almost two weeks ago. I say to you, my dear, you are my son. And you will always be my son. I will always pray for you. I'll always wish you nothing but the best. I pray that my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ of Nazareth to enlighten your heart, enlighten your soul, your entire being.

To realize, my dear, there is only one God who art in heaven, the creator of all mankind and everything else that is visible and invisible. And I say with absolute love, confidence and humility, that God is Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen. But you are my son, my dear, and the Lord knows it is coming from the bottom of my heart. I'll always pray for you. and for whoever was in this act, in the name of my Jesus, I forgive you, I love you, and I will always pray for you. For me, it's a priceless gift that I am not worthy of. I pray the Lord accepts it.

That's what faith should be teaching all of us. That's what our religion, should be teaching us to stand up against unrighteous power, but also forgive those who hate you so much, they'll kill you. That's a remarkable, remarkable man in Australia. Better Christian than I am. I don't think two weeks later I'd be saying those same things. I really don't. I think I might be harboring a little bit of ill will still. toward it might take me a little longer than two weeks i don't know i i have to tell you i'm i am always surprised at the number of people who you know a drunk driver will kill their child or anything else and yeah you know i would have a harder time with my children than with me um huh just it would

be so hard and i'm always amazed at those people like the omish that the guy came in and slaughtered all of their children in school. He was a milk truck driver, lived in town, walked in, lost his marbles, shot all of their children. And while they were all gathered around the school, their body's still being pulled out. The family, somebody said to the Amish, oh my gosh, his wife, we're not the only ones that lost somebody. His wife and child are at home probably scared to death. And imagine being that woman standing in that house, knowing that your husband just killed all these Amish children and you see coming up your sidewalk all these Amish parents. Okay. She knocks on the door. They knock on the door.

They open it up and said, you are our sister. We forgive your husband. And you had nothing to do with this. They not only forgive her and comfort her, but they refuse. her, you know, in a nice way, refuse her from leaving. They say to her, you are now part of our family. They rebuild part of her house. I mean, it's amazing when people forgive. Yeah, the Bible tells you to be like Jesus. Doesn't necessarily say it's going to be easy.

Like I do your best to kind of act like this guy. Probably not going to be the piece of cake after you've been stabbed in the eyeball. Yeah. Right? Yeah. That's, it is amazing that people can find that strength in those moments. Maybe it's a hint to us when we get, you know, we get a little annoyed at somebody online that may be abandoning all of our principles to get the right retort in is not the right approach. Let me, let me play one more piece.

And I want to talk about this later, maybe tomorrow. But Russell Brand was baptized over the weekend. Listen to what he said about his baptism. As a person that has in the past taken many, many substantive. and always been disappointed with their inability to deliver the kind of tranquility and peace and even transcendence that I always felt I've been looking for. Something occurred in the process of baptism that was incredible, overwhelming, literally overwhelming, because I was obviously underwater and it was the River Thames at some points. So I felt change, transitioned. Now, of course, even though it's been less than 24 hours, in the interim period, I've already felt like sort of

irritation. I've got three children. I've got a job. I've got challenges. I still live in the world. But I feel as if some new resource within me has switched on. So many of your comments have been so beautiful and encouraging and I really appreciate it. And also even the cynicism, I understand, because some people will just see me as a celebrity. I don't see me as a celebrity because I was me when I was a little boy. I was me when I was a junkie. I was me when I was poor. I've been me in all of the different phases. But I recognize that anything in this terrain in the sort of social media world, could be exploited and utilised. For me, I've made the decision and I know what the decision is.

I've made it for myself and I pray that it will be relevant to my family, in particular, my children, my wife's Catholic, you know, she's already made her own choices in this life, including this one. This is new for me, I'm learning and I will make mistakes. But this is my path now, and I already feel incredibly blessed, relieved, nourished, held. Pat was the one who baptized me in in the waters and I felt exactly the same as Russell Brand. And he's going to make mistakes, just like I continue to make mistakes to this day. You're not, you, you're still a human being. But it is a powerful, powerful thing that changed my life, I think overnight. How long did it take you, Pat, to see the changes in me? Oh, it was, yeah,

it was definitely fast after your baptism definitely fast and I know people back then that thought oh he's just doing this he's just trying to you know exactly what they're saying about Russell brand the change in him has been astounding though hasn't it I mean he has been he was despicable I couldn't stand to listen to the guy 15 years ago and now look at him I know not only is he changed religiously spiritually but politically too he's pretty listenable now. I mean, I will tell you, which direction would you rather go down? The direction where Russell Brand has changed that much,

and he's much more of a peaceful individual, wants to, you know, hear other sides, understand people, he loves people, or the Russell Brand that he was before. You know, would you rather be on the Russell Brand path or the one that is happening on our campuses, the ones that are society, wokeness, the high priests of the universities,

the gods that are in the White House and the administration and Congress that they think they are, which one leads you to happiness? It's amazingly simple, the choice, but amazingly, uh, not everybody is seeing that.

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is one of, if not the, most dangerous man on the planet. He is the architect of the friendship now with Russia and Iran. He is the architect of the Crimea invasion. He is also a man who believes he can hasten the return of the promised one, meaning let's get to the apocalypse quickly. He believes that capitalism is, what did he say? It was I want to get him exactly right. capitalism is a virus, and he believes the United States of America is the Antichrist. Now, none of that came up in the very short interview with Tucker Carlson. Why? Because Carlson was offered this interview, and if I were Tucker Carlson, I would have taken it as well.

And I would, it's very rare that you find somebody, very rare, that you find somebody who really knows who Alexander Dugan is. He talks a great game. I think he has crystallized the problems in such a fashion that even I will listen to him and go, yep, he's right, yep, he's right. It's his solutions to the problem. That's what Tucker did not get to because it was only a short 20-minute interview.

Dugan's very good at this. So it is important before you watch this interview, or if you've already watched it, that you understand who Alexander Dugan is, because this is a massive trap for Americans and freedom lovers all over the world and all over the West. We're going to bring Stephen Hicks, Professor Stephen Hicks in. He knows Alexander Dugan. He is a professor of philosophy, and Dugan says he's just a philosopher, but he's not.

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I want to welcome to the program. It's always an honor to talk to him. Rockford University Philosophy Professor Center for Ethics and Entrepreneurship. executive director, Stephen Hicks. Hello, Stephen. How are you, sir? I am very well. Thanks for having me on again, Glenn. You bet. So I watched this interview, and I know that Tucker didn't know who he was, Alexander Dugan, because when he was over there, I said, be careful if you're involved with Alexander Dugan. And that, unfortunately, I said that right before he left. So he had already done

the interview. And he said, not really sure about the this guy. And I don't think really had done his homework because it came up last minute. But also, Dugan is hard to nail down if you just look at him on the surface. Would you agree with that? TV interviewers were often underprepared and they don't necessarily have the philosophical and strategic depth to understand. And as you were suggesting, you know, Dugan is a slippery character at the same time. He is deep. He is a philosopher as well as being a strategist. But at the same time, I don't want to let someone like Tucker Carlson off the hook

because we do have enough historical knowledge about the kinds of positions that Dugent is offering. He is repackaging ideas and strategies that have been well worked over in the 20th century. And so we should be up to speed on that. And so I think partly what we need is a little philosophical upbrushing, but also some historical reminders of history repeating itself. So let me play just a little bit of what he said to Tucker yesterday, and we'll start there. Here's a clip from the Tucker Carlson interview with Alexander Dugan. And after the fall of the Soviet Union, there was only liberalism.

And Francis Fukuyama has pointed out correctly that there are no more any ideologies except of liberalism. And liberalism, that was liberation of this individual from any kind of collective identity. There were only two collective identities to liberate from gender identity, because it is collective identity. You are men or woman collectively, so you could not be alone. So a liberation from gender, and that has led to transgender, to LGBT, and new form of sexual individualism. So sex is something optional. And that was not just deviation of liberalism. That was necessary elements of implementation

and the victor of this liberal ideology. And the last step that is not yet totally made is liberation from human identity, humanity optional. And now we are choosing of you in the West. You are choosing the sex you want as you want. And the last step in this process of liberalism, implementation of liberalism, will mean precisely the human optional. So you can choose your individual identity to be human, not to be human.

And that has a name, transhumanism, post-humanism, singularity, artificial intelligence, Klaus Schwab, Khrzweil or Harari, they openly declare that it is inevitable future of humanity. So we arrive to the historical terminal station that we finally, five centuries ago, we have embarked in this train and now we are arriving at the last station. So what he's saying here is that liberalism, meaning, the classic liberalism where you're an individual, it's not collective, et cetera, et cetera. He says the inevitable end is progressivism and then some dystopian future. But I don't think that's right.

I'd love to hear from you. Liberalism doesn't lead to progressivism. Marxism leads to progressivism. Yeah. The first half of the Dozen clip, I think, is correct. The second half is a massive equivocation. I think philosophically, he should know better. I think he's doing some tactical rhetoric against the rest in talking about the transgenderism.

So let's take those two in part. So first part is fall of the Soviet Union. I think Dugan is exactly right. What played out in the 20th century left only some sort of liberalism standing in the field. The 20th century was a huge ideological battle. I think Dugan's analysis is correct. It's the kind of analysis I've argued and many other people have argued as well. The 20th century was about some sort of liberalism versus some sort of fascism or national socialism versus some sort of Marxist communism.

We fought world wars. We fought cold wars. We fought many trench warfare ideological wars as well. What happened was fascism was defeated. National socialism was defeated. And by 1991, Marxist communism was defeated. And so what seemed to be almost inevitable, I don't want to use the inevitable. habitability language, but was that some sort of liberal democracy, capitalism,

modernity was triumphant. So I think that part is exactly right. Now, where I think Doogan goes wrong is in the, what happens next. My view is that what happened was that liberalism took a breather. We've been fighting wars, ideological and actual wars for over a century. We let our guard darn, we're relaxed, we kind of thought everybody is going to get on board, and some sort of liberal, democratic, capitalist modern future is slowly then going to prevail over the next generation. Now, what actually happened, though, was that the fascists, the national socialists, the authoritarian, the communists, the Marxists of various sorts, did not simply go away and give up the fight. Instead, they started to repackage themselves. And then inside the

now triumphant west, there were counter movements that started to reassert themselves. And then we started to see then by the time we get to 2010, 2015 or so, that those counter-Western movements inside the West are reasserting themselves and everybody starts to become aware of them. And the particularly nasty forms of transgenderism, and I think there is a legitimate version of transgenderism that reasonable and sensitive people will of the particularly violent form that we're sometimes dealing with, that is a different phenomenon. So the second part, then, is what Dubin wants to do is to say,

and this is the part that you were picking up on, that the relativism, the angry act inside the West, that we're now confronting with, the virulent forms of Islamism that we are now confronting, and so on, the total package of anti-West, anti-liberalism, where did those come from? Now, I agree, those are pathological, they are very destructive, but what Dugan is offering is a thesis that says that those anti-liberalisms are themselves an outgrowth, and that I think is simply false. So when he says, you know, an end to

modernity and liberalism, he's actually, I mean, one of the first things I found about Duggan that opened my eyes was his statement that that fascism with Mussolini Mussolini was a very brave person as was Hitler but it didn't work but they they understood that international communism was not good so they went for national communism or socialism which became fascist and he said where the two of them went wrong was they offered too many compromises. He said the future, yeah, the future is fascism without compromise. That's a little terrifying. This is, yeah, so this is 1990s Dugan in the first decade after the fall of the Soviet Union. And he's a strange character

right at this point. He's already adopted various forms of Nazism in the 1980s. And And at this point, he's not a young man. He's in his late 20s. He's in his early 30s. So he's a mature thinker. He hates liberalism already. He hates modernity. He hates the West in its entirety.

At the same time, he's dissatisfied with what's going on in the Soviet Union, its version of communism and Marxism. When the Soviet Union falls, though, he is co-founder of a national Bolshevik party. And the Bolsheviks, of course, were Lenin-Stol, and Trotsky and so on. So it's a reworking of a kind of communist Marxism, but the nationalism is important there for him. And he then, within a few years, settles on saying what we need to do is just rework fascism. So he is widely and explicitly admiring of Mussolini and some of the German fascists of the 1920s and early 1930s. And he publishes an article

in 1997 called fascism, borderless, and red. The red part means blood, and it means a little bit of incorporation of Marxism. That's going to be a bloody, violent revolution that we need. And the borderless part is also there, that we need to expand Russia's border. We need to be expansionist. What we need is a kind of national, so to speak, the Russian people, and we make them fit into some abstract socialist template. This is the fascist part. We need to take identity, including its religion, its cultures, its traditions, see it as having a world city. It's going to lead the world to a new, bright future that's not going to be trapped in the old Marxist way. And as you're suggesting, it's going to learn from the failures of the earlier versions

of fascism and national socialism. And what that is going to involve is. is a willing to be muscular, a willing to be violent, a willing to take ethnicity and nationalism seriously and not to compromise one jot with capitalism with any form of Western liberalism. So yes, that's Dugan by the time we get to the late 1990s. All right. More in just a second with Stephen Hicks. We're going to give me 60 seconds, tell you about our sponsor, and then right back into the conversation. Every spring and every summer, you have to get up on a ladder and clean out. out the gutters to your house or even worse. You have to pay somebody else to do it.

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Back in 10 seconds, Station ID. So, Stephen, are you saying that in the 1990s, that's who he was, but he has rejected, or he has just enhanced this in his way of calling it the fourth political fifth theory? Yeah, fourth political theory published that in 2009, so he's now in his 40s. There is a slight evolution. So he starts to abjure the fascist label. Fascism has had terrible press, deservedly so. So he wants to back away a little from the label. But in fact, he absorbs still 95% of the fascist principles and reworks them with a different label. So what happens by the time we get to the fourth political theory is that he adds officially fascism to the list of failed theories. He thinks liberalism is immoral, disgusting. We need to defend. Fee that communism has failed. Fascism has failed, but he wants to evolve in a couple of directions. One direction is that fascism is explicitly nationalistic. So it's going to be a kind of a collective

authoritarianism for the Italian people taking it in Mussolini's form. So taking the ethnicity of Italians, their religion, their language, their traditions, and so forth as somehow special. and that you are part of a collective identity by being an Italian person. You're not an individual. You absorb yourself into that ethnicity with the leadership on top, the authoritarian leadership that Muslim is going to provide. So that is ethnic in the German case. It's a combination of ethnicity.

The German ethnicity is special, but there's also a materialistic movement, and they go back and forth between saying, Nick, and what the materialist. He's going to offer more spiritual, philosophical, metaphysical understanding of what it is to be in the collective. And it has to be any sort of racialist language more explicitly by the time we get to the 90s. But he's still collective and so forth. And the other thing is that...

In fact, hang on just a second. Let me just throw this quote in before you leave collective. He said, quote, we propose the theory that every human identity is acceptable and just justified except for the for that of the individual and individualism liberalism must be defeated and destroyed and the individual must be thrown off his pedestal end quote yeah rules right who are individualistic we know we believe you know every individual has you know the rights to life liberty pursuit of happiness you know control your own conscience freedom of religion and so forth all of those individualistic

elements. Dugan is rejecting, and he's rejecting them a group of fascism, the theorists of national socialism, and the updated versions that he is in favor of for Russia. Individualism, though, the question is, what group identity in 2009, in the quotation that you just read, he's pretty open to saying there are lots of different group identities that are possible and legitimate. And so there's a direct connection to all of the identity politics. that's floating around in Western Circle right now. Right. Should it be your racial identity?

Should it be your gender identity? Should it be your religious identity? Should it be your ethnic identity and so forth? And he's open to any form of groupism or collectivism, right, at that point, as long as it's not valorizing the individual at. The individual. So I want to come back because he is very attractive on some of the things that he says, because he's diagnosing one particular problem that I think is real, and we'll get to that here in just a second,

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And I applaud everyone for having a conversation. Tucker has said many times, it's important to see and understand how our adversaries view us. Well, that wasn't clear in this. He just diagnosed a problem as Alexander Dugan always does, and enough to open a door to people, have people say, oh, well, I think I might agree with that. It is really important.

What Tucker has begun, we have to now continue that conversation. So people on our side will not fall victim to this guy. They talked about how his books, people want his books to be banned. I don't. I want you to read him in his own words. There will be stuff at the beginning of the book. You'll go, yeah, yeah, he knows me. And then by the time you're at the end of the book, you're like, this is a horror show, literally a horror show.

But you should read him. Jefferson, when we went into our first foreign war, which was against the Muslim pirates, insisted that everybody read the Koran. If you really want to understand the absurdity of it all, he said, you need to read this in their own words. Now let's get down to it. One of the things that he says, Stephen Hicks is with us, one of the things he says, Stephen, a lot of the time, is about this feeling of nationalism. And I, people in the press don't get it. They think Brexit was an evil thing and people that were extremists. No, there are people in Norway. There are people in Italy. There are people in Greece and in the Great Britain that are proud of their country and should be proud of their

country. And when you say don't fly your flag, fly instead the European Union flag, that's not who they are and they feel like they're being snuffed out just like Americans now feel that our culture is under attack, our history, our very existence and what we've always stood for is is being wiped out. And people can be against that without being haters. But he zeroes in on that and says the collective state image is really important. And I think that's where he begins to connect with people and then people don't look any further. Do you agree with any of that, Stephen? Well, nationalism is a term that needs some careful delineation, and often it gets packaged

with all sorts of unsavory stuff. And that's partly what Dugan is doing. It's one thing to say we need to have an authoritarian bureaucratic regime centered in Brussels of the European Union or the United Nations or something like that. And that's going to trample over regional differences, national differences, ethnic differences, and turn us all into kind of homogeneous robots of some sort. It's fine to be against that. And to see that as a kind of foil.

At the same time, nationalism sometimes just means, you know, I happen to have been born in a certain ethnicity within a certain nation. And because I was born here, I'm just unthinkingly getting my identity and my allegiance to whatever my particular government does as well. I think both of those are inappropriate ways to use nationalism. So the issue of nations, to me, I think it's a secondary or even a tertiary issue about what level of political organization we should have in place, how much things should be local at the state or regional level, how much at a national, international the level and so on. So it's an issue of kind of appropriate bureaucratic and administrative governance.

But the important content issue is what is the purpose of your governance? And it's one thing to say, I live in a nation that takes individuals and their freedoms and their rights very seriously. And we have a government that exists to protect individuals in their freedoms and their property rights and so forth. And because I live in a nation that is striving for that moral set of principles, I am proud of my nation. And that kind of patriotism or nationalism or identification with your country, I think, is perfectly appropriate. There are some nations that are much better on that and some nations that are much worse on that. At the same time, there are lots of levels of organization that should be international. So we should be able to trade with people in different parts of the world.

We should have business agreements and so forth that are international. And any sort of my nation is going to block off access to your nation and so forth. I think that's inappropriate. So sorting out what is rights and freedoms of individuals. And sometimes that's going to be at a national level. And sometimes that's going to be more open and international. international, that's something that political scientists need to work out. Now, what Dugan, though, is doing is wanting to say it's not at all about the individual.

It's not about liberties at all. That's what the quotation you earlier alluded to is all about. He does see it as collective entities that are organized at the ethnic level. For the most part of his career, he thought the nation state was the right level of analysis, and that the different collective national identities are at war with each other, or at least at conflict with each other. And so one needs to be willing to enter into that fray and be violent with respect to other nations to put up borders to try to sabotage them in various ways.

Now, that kind of nationalism, right, takes him back to the fascism, takes him back to the national socialism, and it takes them back even to some versions of Marxist communism, where they wanted to argue that it was our nation, where the Marxist revolution is going to have to happen first, and we are in a bloody conflict with all of the other nations that are more capitalist and democratic and so forth. And only after we have succeeded at making the Marxist revolution in this one nation,

can we start thinking about being more broadly internationalist. Now, Dugin, though, I think the nationalism for him is partly tactical because one of the things that he has been doing in the last 10 years now is broadening and no longer just seeing that Russia, in some sense, has a special ethnic identity to a bright and better future. He started to talk more like a pan of analysis, not Russia as a nation, but more broadly the Eurasian continent and all of the Urales, the Uraian continent and all. of its constituent people, thinking more in terms of empire, the old Russian empire. Of course, Russia will have a special place at that. But you see him in his rhetoric and in his arguments not wanting to say that it's Russia, say, against the Ukrainians or Russia against the Kazakh nation and so forth, that he wants to reincorporate all of them. And that's going to be the right level of analysis. That's what will be, uh, be

be pitted against the Western. So that is, when I, when I heard the first Tucker interview with Putin, I thought that's what he was going for. That's what Putin was going for. He was setting the stage for, well, we're actually much bigger than what everybody thinks of. And he's setting the stage for a restoration of the, not the Soviet, but the, the imperial Russian empire, right? Okay, so there is there is one thing. And Stephen, I, I'm so, we're so blessed to have you for 45 minutes. I don't know if you have time tomorrow to do another session with us because the next part of Dugan is where it gets, where it goes way off the rails and gets even more terrifying than fascism with not without compromise. And that is his religious, um, angles that he puts on top of it where he says the United States is that.

the Antichrist and we can hate the great Satan that we are that that that we need to kind of hasten the apocalypse because it just won't happen on its own and the world I mean this sounds like a 12er from from Iran but they need to wash the world in blood because it will only be through extreme violence that will be able to reset the world in a in a world that we only saw before modernity. No, absolutely. Putin's use of religion and Dugan's ideological understanding of religion and strategizing about religion,

certainly worth another 45 minutes, so we can plan that if you want. Oh, I'd love to. Love to. Thank you. Stephen, thank you so much for everything you do, and thanks for making this easy to understand. Would you agree that Dugan,

if, you know, he's, he's the guy behind Crimea. He's the, really the kind of the guy connecting Russia to Iran. And his philosophy, if it, if it actually takes root in the West, that I think, I think he's one of the most dangerous men in the world. Would you agree with that? Well, yeah, I think philosophers are often underrated. We, yeah. We can see John Locke's important.

to the American Revolutionaries, Rousseau's importance to the French revolutionaries, Marx's importance, and so on. So this is a little crystal ballgazing, but yes, Dugin is a clear, inspirational writer. I don't know what level of access he has to Dugan's inner circle and so forth. But when you are speaking to thousands and millions of alert, aspirational ideological people,

philosophers like Dugan can have an outsized impacts. It's really important that we get them right and understand exactly what we're up against. It's amazing. I feel a little like the Germans have never understood. How could you possibly read Mind Kampf and not know? I mean, you knew. He said it. But I think it's the human, it's human nature to say, oh, well, he didn't mean that part. Or they'll never get that done. And we've done that with even COVID. I was on the here four or six weeks before it hit America saying, look at what's happening in China. That would never happen here. And pretty much it did. Yeah. So when we can't underestimate.

Liberalism and modernity in the West, one of our great weaknesses is in fact that we are sometimes naive and sometimes benevolent and willing to give people the benefit of the doubt when they make it clear they don't deserve it. So tomorrow we'll have you back. Same time. Stephen, and I want to concentrate on his, what his definition of modernity is, because if it's, if it is what I think it is, that is pre-enlightenment kind of modernity, kind of going back into some of the dark ages stuff, and his religious beliefs, his connections to kind of a Christian nationalism, if you will, in a very, very dark way.

Okay, perfect. See you tomorrow then. Same time. Thank you very much. Stephen Hicks. Always great to have him on. He has a deep understanding of who Alexander Dugan is. If you watch that episode from Tucker, which I highly recommend, if you watch that, know that you're getting the soft side of Alexander Dugan. That is his opening pitch. And there are people in America.

that follow him, like him, believe many of the same thing. Quite honestly, Steve Bannon, I think, is one of them. And that's what makes Steve Bannon so dangerous. He is using some of his philosophies and buying into some of those philosophies. And as Christians, as true Americans, we cannot allow this to take hold of any of our churches or any of our people. Tomorrow will be very important for you to listen to. All right, back with more in just a second.

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Or is that even wanted at NPR? We wanted to bring in Joe McKinnon. Joe is a Blaze News staff writer, and he has been following up on this. Joe, take us from the beginning, from the whistleblower, if you will, all the way to Christopher. Rufo, and then let's pick it up from there. So can you tell us the beginning of it, Joe? Absolutely. Thanks for having me on. So Yuri Berliner earlier this month has this damning expose in the free press, April 9th. He goes after NPR, after having worked there for a quarter of a century as a senior business editor. He suggests that there's zero viewpoint diversity, particularly after John Lansing, the former CEO, had made it an activist organization,

and then allied it effectively with the Democratic Party. This is a publication, according to Berliner, that didn't want to cover the Hunter Biden laptop story, that work with Adam Schiff to push the Russian inclusion hoax draws the ire of someone who's not been on a lot of people's radar, and that's Catherine Mayer. Meyer comes out with this long response and effectively cusses him out with somewhat charitable terms. And subsequently, Berliner is suspended and then he designs. So people start looking into Meyer after this because she was with Wikipedia before, but I guess, you know, flew under the radar for a lot, particularly on the right or among those who are critical of

government. And at first blush, she looks just like another shrill leftist. She has the obligatory photo wearing the Biden campaign hat, and she has an unhealthy obsession with race. And so that photo exists, and the tweets speak for themselves. But you keep digging as Rufo has quickly that there's something more going on here. From 30,000 feet, she looks, savvy media queen. But someone who spent a lot of time around color revolutions in the Orient. Enough to know how they might be replicated. Okay, so hang on just a second. Campuses and boardrooms are full of leftists, but you're saying, and Christopher Rufo is saying,

she is not your ordinary leftist. She's been around color revolutions. What does that mean she's been around color revolutions? Okay, so, well, one of the many should note at the World Economic Forum, World global leader. She's worked with the World Bankos that are in the 2010-2011 and with the national democratic, a spinoff of the National Endowment for Democracy committed to, yeah, exactly. Well, you know where I'm going with this. This is an organization that tries to transition liberal democracies. Can I mean, can I redefine that a little bit? It's a CIA front.

The Trump administration at the State Department. He said, exactly that. He said to carve out for the CIA. And other people have senior times back when he said the NDI was actively fermenting protests during the so-called Arab Spring. So, and by the way, these aren't just, we know this. I exposed that when we were at Fox. We've known that from the beginning. It didn't take a brain surgeon to figure this out. Then when you go into Ukraine and see what they were doing and the phrases that they were using saying, you know, we can, we can spread this now. We kind of perfected it in the Middle East and we can spread it. And that's exactly what we were doing in Ukraine.

Well, precisely, Ukraine, Libya, Egypt, Yemen, Tunisia. And so she's kind of got a pilgrimage to these toppled regimes. And in some cases, as they're falling. So Rufo notes that she goes to Tunisia a couple of times. She goes to Gazintep in southern Turkey just as rebels are making inroads along the highway between Damascus and I believe there's Aleppo. And she actually said not long ago that she, well, she framed the timing differently, but she said in the aftermath of the revolutions, she was doing research on the ground with quote unquote human rights activists and independent journalists. and so she's with the NBI, she's going to Tunisia, and she raised a couple alarm bells. So there's this Tunisian cabinet official.

And, well, he basically, well, he didn't intimate. He straight out said it's a likely case that she works for a certain three-letter agency. And, you know, a lot of people have been speculating about that in recent weeks. So what is her, what is her background in broadcast and news? Critical of the ways that governments have weaponized their state broadcasters, which I think is rich, granted. Right. Yeah.

Progressive of career. Yes. But what is she, I mean, does she have a background in, in news? Is she a journalist? Is she, I mean, why is she qualified? I see that she's traveled the world, that she's with World Bank. and the WEF and she's been with NGOs and she's been around revolutions. But that doesn't necessarily scream CEO of NPR.

Well, I think Wikimedia and Wikipedia, which she ran the show for her for several years, she demonstrated her bonif-a- Yeah, her bonifide. And it was under her reign that it quickly became clear that this was, well, it's supposed to be a repository for human knowledge, right? Right, but it's not. Recently, you talked about how memory is the key to who we are. Well, Wikipedia is instrumental to capturing me, curating that memory for a lot of people. So she might not be a journalist, but she was very much, well, I don't want to suggest there's a causation.

She pretends that, you know, the Wikipedia editors are working on their own. But while she's in control, there's very much a narrative. curation going on, the kind that you might want at taxpayer-funded state broadcast. Jeez. Okay. So the rumor that she's with CIA, where did that originate? So I mentioned she went to Tunisia a couple of times, right? Okay.

So this cabinet official is named Slim and Mamu. I think I'm pronouncing that right. But Slim says in 2016 that it's a bit of a retrospective. He's looking back. And I believe it is around the time that she's getting a promotion over at Wikipedia. He straight up says that she's probably CIA. He's not mince and words. He says she's come over under different affiliations with the NDI, with World Bank, with USAID.

And he suggests, and this is going on at Twitter at the time, still called that. He suggests that she might as well have had CIA written on her front. And so Slim was in the transitional government. He dropped out to protest so-called censorship. And he, you know, not entirely the top of the food chain, but someone you might at least want to hear out. And so she is prickled by the suggestion. She responds saying, I'm no sort of agent.

You can dislike me, but please don't defame me. But then, you know, that brought even more scrutiny. me because people took notice of the way she framed that response. So Christina Pasha, she's on the DeSantis team. She noted, for instance, okay, well, you may not have been an agent, but you could just as well have been an asset. Yeah. But the CIA element, I think, you know, I haven't seen any incontrovertible proof.

Sure. It's also largely immaterial because she's actually directly worked with the Biden administration. She's worked with and brush shoulders with all these regime change groups. So whether or not she has CA and a card somewhere tucked to her desk, she might as well have been. And this is part of the group that, I mean, Hillary Clinton in that infamous clip where she said, we came, we saw he died and laughed about it. I think who she was talking to at the time might have been Samantha Power. who is, you know, Cass Sunstein's wife, the author of Nudge and somebody who knows how to nudge people into new positions.

But Sam now works at USAID. She's the head of USAID. So if you have the head of NPR also working with Samantha Power at USAID, that is also a CIA front. Oh, absolutely. And I think it was Michael Waller in the Bruffel piece. He's a national security analyst. And he said he drew that same connection with power and intimated that Meyer is part of this revolutionary Van Gogh movement. So, you know, they're all in bed together by the looks of it, I should say, a little bit of distance because I don't want a mean tweet. But and then you couple of them. with her public comments. And then it lends even more gravity to this, well, her becoming the head of NPR, which was giving me some of her, give me some of her public comments that I may not know. Okay, well, I did a little bit of a deep dive. A lot of these already are circulating, but they're all troubling. So, for instance, in a 2021 interview, and this one has caught a lot of people's attention

in recent days. She described the First Amendment as the top challenge in the fight against disinformation. So it's a challenge, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right. It's a challenge because, quote, it's a little bit tricky to really address of where there's bad information come from and sort of the influence peddlers who have made a real market economy around it peeing vaccines, which I know in the lead up to the show there was mentioned that AstraZeneca just admitted that according to the former head of, also climate alarmism.

That's a no-fly council 2021 event. A lot of people are wondering why. It's really about creating content that people can have confidence in, that they can use to make determinations in their lives. And so that right, to have access to high integrity content, often sort of trumps the right to free speech. With the fact that it's for the truth, that it's getting in a way of finding common ground in getting things done.

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But I just wanted to ask you, Joe, before you go, what is the impact, if this is true, that she could have with NPR at her disposal? NPR has long been a joke. It's ineffective. It's viewership has dwindled mentally. She is shrewd. She is effective. This is an individual who had people believing that cultural Marxism is a far-right conspiracy theory when she was running Wikipedia.

And there are all the insights she is gleaned when she was doing her, again, pilgrimage of fallen states. And her understanding that capture of a state broadcaster could ultimately mean capture of the state, means that NPR is a weapon in her hands, potentially a weapon in her hands. There's over a thousand stations broadcasting. It's NPR programming. There's thousands of employees, a bunch of bureaus across the country.

Now, I don't think they're going to do business as usual. In fact, she's telegraphed that there's going to be a transformation behind the scenes. NPR was already a leftist propaganda outlet. Now, I think it's going to be used. to ferment your marching orders essentially out. And I'm surprised you left Wikipedia, honestly, because I think that's the more consequential place. But Wikipedia controls the past or you can control the future.

Yes. I think Pierre under her helm, I think the aim anyway is controlling the present. Joseph McKinnon from Theblaze.com. Thank you so much. We're going to go a little deeper in this. direction and really talk about color revolution in just a minute when we come back stand by you know we don't build a parallel economy because we're glad that it's necessary i wish it wasn't i miss the old days when

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And he joins me now because we are talking about the CEO of NPR, possibly in position to work in a, in an organized way to foment a color revolution. And if you don't know what a color revolution is, Jason, can you explain quickly what that is? And then I'll go through the pillars. Color revolutions usually happen around elections in other countries. Yeah, typically always like after an election usually or just before an elections when it's fomented. But that's when all of a sudden you'll see like what are supposedly grassroots movements. I use that in quote air quotes there.

that spontaneously show up and they'll use the turmoil that's happening around them to force regime change. Okay. So we've gone over this many, many times because it is apparent that, at least to me, that that is really what is being prepared here in America. And they really tried this out with other countries and perfected it. And I think they're using it now on us. The former ambassador to Russia under Barack Obama was Michael McFall. And he came up with the seven pillars of color revolution. The seven steps needed to incite the type of revolution used to up and the European countries and the countries in the Middle East.

And this is our, this is our deal. And a lot of the same people that were involved in coming up with this and executing it in the Middle East, are now in positions of power. So you need seven pillars to pull this off. The first thing is, you need the presence of a semi-autocratic regime. It can't be a full dictatorship. It's got to be semi. It provides the opportunity to use propaganda and to paint whoever it is you want to paint as a fascist. Now, they never did that to Donald Trump. I don't ever remember them calling him a fascist or Nazi or Hitler or anything like that. But they use that with a guy who is powerful and say he's the next Hitler. Number two, appearance of an unpopular president or incumbent leader. This is created through

manipulative propaganda and information and psychological warfare. We know we have the document showing that our government is involved in cognitive warfare on the American people. So you've got a president and the media through propaganda just keeps making him look worse and worse and worse. Look at the trials that are going on. Then you also need the third pillar is a united and organized opposition. Antifa, the Palestinians, BLM. then you need a compliant media to push all of these narratives and at the right time the voter fraud narrative.

Have you noticed that the media is again, you couldn't question it before, but they pushed it last time that Trump was going to steal the election, and they're pushing it again this time that Trump is trying to steal the election? five or sorry six political opposition organization able to mobilize thousands to millions in the streets do we have that yes and then seven is division among the military and the police they both have to be in some sort of chaos so you can swing some of them your way well this is exactly what we are looking at in the United States. And that is the way we have toppled regimes all over the world. They're all called color revolutions. And I believe that is what we are facing now.

That there is a source inside of our own government, which makes it much, much worse, that is using all of these pillars as assets to flip the United States of America. Did I miss anything there, Jason? Oh, man. We could go on for four hours just going through some of the shows that we were pointing out. I think it was back in around 2020 when we were first talking about this. I don't even know where to begin.

It's interesting that you talked about cognitive warfare because that was brought out in the Twitter files. I think it was Michael Schellenberger's people released a lot of that. And they had direct quotes from the people within the government or the people the government were contracting to go after misinformation and disinformation and silence them on. social media. Some of the quotes said, I cannot believe we're doing what we did in foreign countries to foreign adversaries now to the American people. They were shocked about it, but they were just kind of joking around it. I mean, this is what you're describing is pretty much something that started off as something called Civil Society 2.0. That was a State Department initiative under Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton to physically go out to some of these places that they identify

and teach activists how to use media and information to manipulate the masses. It's amazing. In Ukraine, we have the videotape of the State Department actually going out and doing those classes to foment revolution. It's incredible. It's like they weren't hiding it at all in Ukraine. Absolutely not. No, they bragged about it. They called something called tech camps that started going out.

I think it was around 2009. Now, this is where it gets even crazier, Glenn. So in 2010, about three or four months before the official start date of the Arab Spring, President Obama issued a presidential study directive. It was presidential study directive 11. To this day, you cannot read it. it is still classified after all these years. We begged the Trump administration to declassify that, and it just fell on deaf ears,

and it is really important, really important. If you read the screen, the only thing is like a four-word description, and the only thing that it says is like political reform, or political, yeah, I think it was political reform in the Middle East and Northern Africa. Again, like three or four months before the Arab Spring. The Arab Spring kicks off.

These tech camps in Civil Society of 2.0 start popping up all over Northern Africa and the Middle East. What do you have? Not only that, but we were training some of them, some of these NGOs and activists here in the United States. We were training them here in the United States. Then they go back to their countries. People like this NPR chick, Amar, apparently, allegedly, sounds like she was one of them that was kind of checking up on this. I don't know that for certain, but it sounds like it. So one of the things, once you have the seven pillars, there are steps that you have to take can see if you think any of these are happening or have happened.

You have to consolidate media control. Done. And you have to weaponize it. Done. You then have to suppress and remove religion. The next thing you have to do is make sure you have control of the educational system to indoctrinate the children on the revolution and on your ideology to be able to overthrow. The next thing is criminal justice overhaul. Criminals go free while law-abiding citizens are

arrested and charged with crimes. I mean, come on. Serious? I mean, how do you say we're not doing a color revolution? It just happens to be the list that we're doing, and it also happens to be the list of the color revolution steps, but it's not happening here in America. Definitely not. Yeah. It's insane. Doing those types of things in other locations that they see are ripe to, again, control masses to get the form of government they want. Then you see certain things like, you know, the Biden administration paying TikTokers and other social media, you know, people to basically drive the narrative in the direction the regime wants them to. I mean, that's exactly civil society 2.0 and tech camps. Exactly, to the T. And then you get something like, you know, if this is true about NPR, I mean, it doesn't get any bigger as far as the amount of people that you can, you know, manipulate. People trust NPR.

Like people for a while were like, oh, they were both sides, you know, like I can listen to NPR. Sure, there's a lot of lefty stuff in there. But, you know, it's government funded. I mean, obviously, I would not agree that they're not biased. But, I mean, many people would. So if they're directing the narrative in a certain way, again, that is a, exactly what was happening in foreign governments.

But now what makes them different or why is this? I mean, Catherine Meyer, she's the CEO of NPR. And if she is that player, what makes her and NPR more dangerous than MSNBC and CNN, who are all just going along with it anyway? I mean, I would put it on the same level as CNN, maybe, because, again, CNN was considered like a, used to be considered, you know, an even broker, neutral. neutral. MSNBC, I would say, is not on that level.

Because MSNBC, they don't even try to hide it. They are what they are. They're biased. Okay, whatever. But if you're going through like NPR, or if you're going through random, you know, influencers on social media, you don't know that they're biased. It's just the word, it's just the common will of the people, right? You start to get a narrative of this is the direction the country is going in.

This is how we should think. This is what we should do. And that's when it starts getting really dangerous when you have millions of people going in that direction. But it's all a facade. It's all being orchestrated at the top to make people think a certain way. It really is a genius strategy that they devised, again, supposedly are supposed to go in other foreign countries. But now, is that what's happening here? I mean, the case you laid out makes it sound like it's exactly what's happening here.

Another thing of interest, the guy that wrote that, the Seven Pillars, the Michael McFall, he was never a diplomat. He just kind of strolled into the Obama administration. He was a Stanford academic. And then suddenly got the most prestigious job in the entire State Department, the ambassador to Russia in Moscow. And then when he was asked right when he first showed up by Russian journalists, like what are your qualifications?

He's like, well, you know, basically I'm paraphrasing. I don't really, you know, I don't really follow that diplomat stuff. but I'm an expert on democracy and quote, revolution. Okay. So, Jason, we have done so many shows on this. And as always, we will hit something and we'll drill down into it and we'll always say, oh, what a surprise. Look at who we found.

And it's the same circle of people over and over again. I would love for you to maybe post online or at glenbeck.com the links to all of the shows that we explained all of this and showed it showed it in real time, showed what was happening at the time. Because I think this fall, if we're not careful, is the color revolution in America. I hope not, but there's a good possibility of it happening. Yeah, I would definitely advise to rewatch at least two shows that I can think off the top of my head. We have actual video of the people that were pushing this during color revolutions happening in both Eastern Europe and the Middle East. It is wild, and I was just watching another one just now. I'm like, oh my gosh.

Just like you said, everything that we were talking about in the past will, get a new personality that pops up out of nowhere, like this one right here, that pretty much solidifies what we were talking about. I mean, how far will this go? I don't know. Yeah, let's see if we can post some of the stuff on X. There's a lot of stuff going on that's really important. The Alexander Dugan, we just spent an hour with Stephen Hicks. We're going to do part two of that tomorrow, critically important. Tucker Carlson opened the door for a conversation on him and he's somebody I've been talking about for about 10 years very dangerous and so we have to make sure that we explain everybody exactly who he is and what he wants

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and people would just discuss them and try to win on the basis of persuasion. of voters. That's over. We're now throwing our political opponents in prison, and that's the way this works. That's at least part of it. The other part of it is the left has really made an industry of lately, which is lawfare. Lawyers for Hunter Biden now plan to sue Fox News imminently, according to a letter set to the network and obtained by NBC News. The amazing part about this is forever Hunter Biden denied that it was his lap. or at least never acknowledged that it was his laptop.

And he's suing basically saying, well, you put these private images from my laptop on your network. This is an incredible, incredible way to go. By the way, he's, uh, looks like he, uh, has signed up Mark Garagos to, uh, to represent him. The guy, if I remember right, who represented Michael Jackson, uh, back in the day. So it's, uh, some nice company going on with the, uh, The Biden family, as usual, always hanging around the best possible figures. We'll have more tomorrow and more on Stu Does America tonight. 8 p.m. Eastern on Blaze TV.