The Glenn Beck Program - How to Build an End Times Bunker with Style | Guests: Vivek Ramaswamy & Dr. Bradley Garrett | 2/23/23

Episode Date: February 23, 2023

Glenn and Stu discuss the odd ruling of former Clinton aide Mark Middleton’s death as a suicide, especially given his connections to Jeffrey Epstein. Glenn asked the CDC why it recently updated its vinyl chloride profile, and the CDC has responded. Instead of debunking misinformation, there’s now a push for “prebunking” arguments. The Washington Examiner’s Gabe Kaminsky gives a big update to his exposé on the Global Disinformation Index. Are you prepared for a catastrophic event? “Bunker: What It Takes to Survive the Apocalypse” author Dr. Bradley Garrett joins with his best tips. Presidential candidate Vivek Ramaswamy debunks the biggest criticisms against him line by line. Glenn reviews Donald Trump’s trip to East Palestine, Ohio, and Stu commits the sin of using a sports analogy. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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To the people of East Palestine and to the nearby communities in Ohio and Pennsylvania, we have totally told you loud and clear you are not forgotten. You are not forgotten. We stand with you. We pray for you and we will say with you in your fight to help answer and the accountability that you deserve. We'll have that accountability. It'll all be out there very clearly. I don't think you could have a stronger contrast between the former president and this current president.

While he's out gallivanting around the world, giving our money to the pension funds in Ukraine, this president is delivering food as a private citizen. Yeah, and not only did Trump beat Biden to Ohio, he beat Buttigieg to Ohio. The guy he's supposed to be looking over this particular thing. Well, he's not riding his bike. He's taking a plane and then he's putting the bike in the back of a SUV.

And then when he gets about a block away from the cameras, he's going to ride his bike in a town. Yeah, and we're wearing a fancy helmet. when he's doing that because he's safe and he looks really good. You always look so good. You know what I mean? So anyway, Trump went on the trail yesterday, and I think this was a huge score for President Trump.

Now, speaking of former presidents, there is another story out. A former President Clinton aide who has ties to Epstein died by suicide. Okay. This story is a year old. This happened May 7th, 2020, but the family kind of wanted to keep all the details quiet. They were afraid of the images being released, and I don't need to see anybody who has killed themselves. I don't need to see their images.

However, his name is Mark Middleton. He's 59 years old. And he was discovered to cease at the Hafer Ranch in Perryville, Arkansas. 30 miles from his home in Little Rock. He was sitting next to a tree with an extension cord wrapped around his neck. The other end of the cord was attached to a tree limb above him. But again, he's sitting next to the tree. So he didn't hang himself.

Now, how he died was a gunshot wound. to the chest. And it was a shotgun. Now, if you have a shotgun, I suppose you could reach, but it's a lot easier if you would put it in, you know, to your head because you'd have a little easier time

getting to the trigger, I think, maybe. I don't know. I've never tried this. So, you know, it's difficult to do, but it's possible. although the weird thing is there was no shotgun at the scene. So anyway, you know, I just want to throw that in. It might have been an alien in a balloon. Now, by the way, this guy is the guy who let Jeffrey Epstein into the White House over and over and over again while he was, while President Clinton was in the White House.

Oh, and he took a couple of trips to the island with Jeffrey Epstein and President Clinton. But again, suicide by hanging or some sort of magic shotgun that wasn't at the scene of the crime. Okay, let's see. What else is news today? Oh, a vinyl chloride update for you. yesterday we read the story to you. CDC updates profile for vinyl chloride days before Ohio trained derailment and removed section on how it affects children.

So yesterday, I told you that we had reached out to the CDC for, you know, I'd like to debunk this story. I don't, I mean, I just don't understand. And it's really easy right now to say everything the government says is a lie. Very easy. And many times that is true, but it doesn't always make it true. And we should always try to find an answer over a theory. So we wrote to the CDC and we said we wanted to get ahead of any conspiracy theories and go straight to the source and ask the CDC.

Is this merely a coincidence of timing? Number two, why were the updates made? Number three, why was the section on how that vinyl chloride impacts children was removed? What is the CDC's response to the safety of the Ohioans post-toxic chemical release on February 3rd? Thank you. Well, they wrote back. Shocking. CDC wrote back and said thank you for reaching out on this topic by congressional mandate.

The Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry produces and updates toxicological profiles for chemical substances found on its substance priority list. Also, National Priorities List. You can find those at the National Priorities List site. The Comprehensive Environmental Response Compensation and Liability Act of 1980 is amended, blah, blah, blah, further requires that toxicological profiles be updated periodically. They evaluate profiles annually to determine whether updating is necessary, depending on the complexity of the chemical. The process for developing a tox profile can take up to a year or more.

This includes multiple reviews such as external independent peer review, followed by a release for a 90-day public comment period incorporating any necessary changes at Vinyl Publishing. They developed the initial vinyl chloride tox profile in 1989. They produced updates in 93, 97, 2006 and 2023, based on the latest information. They have been working on an update

for the vinyl chloride tox profile over the past year. It had been made available for public comment on February 9th. Remember the train derailment was the third. Made available for public comment on February 9th

as part of the usual process not related at all to the situation in East Palestine. A draft talks profile available for public comment is there. And until May 20th, 20, 23, it updates the 2006 version. Then it doesn't answer any of our other questions. So I really wanted to know why did you remove the part about the children and the impact on children and mothers, but they decided not to answer that.

But there's your answer on why they updated it. And so, because I thought you said it happened right before the training. It did, but they posted it, they posted the public comment period after. After. Okay. Yeah. I mean, it's, look, I think all that does is explain that it theoretically could be a coincidence, right? Like, they do it every once in a while.

Sure. It just very, very. Sure. It doesn't mean it is a coincidence. It just means it could be. And I don't even know what the straight line is there when it comes to what the conspiracy theory would be. Have you followed this? enough to know what would be what would be the accusation that they knew there was going to be a

trained derailment and then yes i guess i mean i mean it would kind of a weird that's a very strange path if that's what they were doing intentionally i mean you would it it would be a little ridiculous i mean that that's a little ridiculous of a conspiracy it's just so coincidental that if you you just want to ask the questions which is what we tried to do and did not get those answers, but I'm sure they're coming soon. Now, speaking of this, there is a kind of an interesting other story on misinformation, disinformation. And it revolves around Google.

Google has done this really cool thing now to where, you know, all of everybody is getting out of the world of, you know, disinformation. We're not going to put lists together anymore, blacklist. And, you know, it's interesting to me. I felt something was wrong with this for the last couple of weeks. Every time it's been brought up and brought up in meetings, I've just said, and I didn't know how had to verbalize until I saw this story.

And I'm like, that's what I was feeling. It seemed too easy. They're exposed. They're exposed for, you know, working with this group out of England and making a list, a blacklist. And all of a sudden, Microsoft, Google, everybody's like, oh, you know what? Oh, we're outraged. We had no idea. We're going to stop that blacklist.

We're not going to do that anymore. Right? Okay. Listen to this story. The misinformation or disinformation field has exploded in popularity over the past decade. Forces in American society have been using these terms as a pretext for suppressing certain viewpoints on big tech platforms. Now the world's largest and most used search engine company is getting deeper into the game.

Proponents of this endeavor have tried a series of methods to tackle the problem of what they call misinformation, but it appears they have found a new favored strategy. So the reason why they were so willing to go, yeah, whoa, you caught us, we're out, is because they've been working on something even worse. The effort against supposed misinformation has transformed from a left-wing media talking point to a full-blown government-sponsored initiative to combat information inconvenient to the state's objectives. In addition, various private organizations have positioned themselves as champions against false information being propagated on the Internet.

To put simply, pre-bunking. Pre-bunking. Not debunking. Pre-bunking is the new tool. It is designed to inoculate people against the spread of misinformation on digital platforms. Rather than publishing information to expose supposedly false claims, it relies on conditioning individuals to view certain types of arguments as fake news before they ever encounter. them.

Hmm. This is a types of arguments. This is object is accomplished through the use of strategic videos, strategic ads, and even online

games like Cat Park, which is funded by the department's, the State Department's Global Engagement Center to crack down on the impact of populism on foreign elections. Google through its jigsaw unit has been one of the entities at the forefront of the debunking initiative.

This is from... Debunking or pre-bunking? This is, oh, sorry, pre-bunking initiative. This is from just the news. After experimenting on Americans, after experimenting on Americans and Eastern Europeans last year, Google is expanding a program to inoculate. YouTube viewers against purported misinformation and disinformation to Europe's largest economy and the world soon to be biggest country.

The Alphabet owned company gave the Associated Press a preview of its pre-bunking initiative expansion into Germany. It will focus on the ease of presenting photos and videos as evidence of something false. So what they're saying here is they just need to precondition you really without you really knowing it by manipulating different videos and ads directed towards what you might be predisposed to think. So, you know, if you don't trust the government, you're going to get a lot of preconditioning to show that really the government is really very helpful and truthful. You just have been misguided.

And my guess is it won't say you're misguided. You'll just start to have an algorithm that is very slowly pro-government. As opposed to the one that exists now that is very obviously pro-government. Yeah. But no, I think I see what you're saying. This goes back to some of the research we've talked about over the years where you, you can really easily without anyone noticing change the experience for a user on a search engine, and it's going to become even more blatant with AI.

I mean, you know, no one, only AI transcripts that you read are the ones that people post intentionally on Twitter or whatever. You don't, there's no record of them. You know, this is why it would be so hard. They're talking about this for homework. Why it would be so hard for the plagiarism thing to be caught now? because there's no record of what the AI is going to write for a kid that wants to write an essay. Correct.

And so you push that to a place where a company that may have very close ties to the government and may have an agenda similar to the government wants to push through that agenda, very easy to do it. Imagine if they had this pre-crime or pre-debunking of, let's say, ESG. They could have had videos made that they were pushing out showing, oh, ESG is. is not real or it's really, really good and not what it said before we were talking about it. That way,

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and save. Gabe Kaminsky is an investigative reporter for the Washington Examiner, and he has been on the program just recently, he was on, I think a couple of weeks ago, to talk about the British group that is fighting disinformation and making a blacklist of conservative media. Well, he has a new story that has just dropped today, and that is a story on James Comer demanding records from the State Department and their funding of the group of blacklisting conservatives. This is an amazing

story to think that our State Department has funded an effort to stop advertising on programs like and truly including mine. My tax dollars are going to hurt my own business. It is incredible. Welcome to the program. Gabe, how are you? Hi, Glenn. Thanks for having me. So tell me the latest twist in this? What's happening? The latest twist is following the National Endowment for Democracy, a State Department Act entity announcing it will no longer provide future resources to the Global Disinformation Index. Today, Representative James Comer, chairman of the House Oversight and Accountability Committee, has sent a letter to the State Department and Secretary Anthony Blinken, and he's demanding documents in connection to funding of the Global Disinformation

Index by March 9th. He's also demanding a briefing by the State Department no later than March 2nd. So this is just the latest development in Republicans in Congress beginning to investigate this funding. Explain to people why this matters so much. you know what we've uncovered through our serious disinformation ink in the washington examiner is how the u.s. department of state has been funding an organization called the global disinformation index which has been secretly feeding and compiling blacklist of conservative news websites and feeding those to advertising companies when the intent of shutting down those websites

places trying to dictate where you can read and get your information place places like the Blaze, the Daily Wire, the Washington Examiner, and certainly your radio show, Glenn. And so what we found is that the State Department is funding that group, the Global Disinformation Index, which has raised pretty big red flags among First Amendment lawyers. Have you seen the story about the Google effort called Jigsaw? I'm not familiar now. Okay. You should look into this as part of your series because you're so good at your investment.

investigative reporting. There is a story out now about jigsaw. And what's bothered me was, you know, Bing and everybody else immediately jumping on the bandwagon saying, oh, my gosh, we had no idea. That global initiative, that was, huh, we had no. We're not going to use that anymore. There's a story out now about pre-bunking instead of debunking, pre-bunking. And Google is using a device that they have put together called Jigsaw.

And it is going to push things out to, let me see if I can get the way they have said this is absolutely incredible. It is not just going to expose false claims. it relies on, quote, conditioning individuals to view certain types of arguments as fake news even before they encounter them. That sounds a little spooky. Yeah, I will say that that does sound spooky. And I'll tell you what, Glenn, that sounds very similar to what we've unpacked at the Global Disinformation Index, because they've been identifying disinformation as not merely fraudulent or false information, but actually opinion articles that they disagree with.

And so, for example, they've been flagging Washington examiner pieces that are based on research, that are commentary, is disinformation. So certainly the movement has morphed into this disagreement with ideas you don't like, you know? It's really, really unbelievable. Gabe, thank you so much for all of your work. And this story just broke just a few minutes ago. You can find it at the Washington Examiner. If you're not reading the Washington Examiner every day,

you're missing out. It is a must read website. Thank you so much, Gabe. Appreciate it. Thanks, Glenn. Hey, back. Bye-bye. He's an investigative reporter has been looking at all of this disinformation. And I mean, my tax dollars, my tax dollars,

are being put to use to silence me. It's incredible. And by the way, it's not the first time that's happened to you. which congrats but this is a totally new type of effort

it is the first time it's not the first time people have gone after me yeah but if you remember right the press had no interest in when the White House

had organized three or four separate attempts outside of the White House but all from within the White House right like it was

you know, it was people who worked in the White House and they had side organizations that were coming after you. I guess it's a little bit different. Yeah, it's a little different. But they had been doing that and nobody paid attention to that. No one cared. Nobody cared now, but this is the first time. And this is all of government approach. This is what Joe Biden is doing. It's all government approach to stopping whatever it is they want to stop. Yeah. And so they'll use and find all of the levers in all of these different agencies. I mean, I wouldn't be surprised to see if the USDA was, you know, working against energy or working against disinformation or whatever it is. Yeah. And it ties into what we've been talking about the last couple of weeks where the disinformation police, if you will, is something that actually could have value to society, especially right now.

where we're going into a world where AI and deep fakes and voice replication and all these things are coming, and having institutions that could sift through this for us and let us know when something was real and something wasn't, would be truly valuable if it wasn't being done like this. If we could have trust in these institutions, media sources, government, all of these things that are supposed scientists, health officials, all these people are supposed to be around to help us go through this stuff and figure out what's real and what isn't. Instead, what's happened is they've pre-bunked the whole process. Correct. They've made everyone not believe the fact-checking process before these crucial moments occur.

And now no one knows where to turn. Well, I think it's really, it's becoming easier. You know anything that the networks are telling you. is most likely at least slanted, but very well possibly false. Okay. You can't, this is the thing on the same thing with Putin and Ukraine. More than one thing can be true. Okay.

So I don't like Putin. However, what Putin said in his speech, some of it. Some of it was very true. So it doesn't end by saying that that doesn't make me a supporter of Putin. Okay. There's there's another option. Putin is right about these things, wrong about other things. That doesn't make me have to choose between Putin or Biden.

I don't want Biden leading a war in Ukraine. I like the people of Ukraine. I don't like the government of Ukraine. Ukraine because it's absolutely corrupt. I don't like the government of the United States because it appears to be absolutely corrupt. I don't like the government of Russia. It appears to be absolutely corrupt. So I don't have to pick sides.

I can say I like and support the people, but I don't support any of those governments. I don't support any of them in the war. None. I don't want my money going there. I don't want it, you know, going against Putin. and I don't want a nuclear war on Putin. Last night I did a special on the effects of nuclear war. And it was really eye-opening because we really don't take it seriously at all anymore.

Because we all learn that, nah, that's not good. You can't win in that war. But there was something in last night special right towards the beginning that I thought was so, important. And that is the idea that this is the first time, and think of this, this is the first time that two nuclear superpowers, Russia and the United States, would be facing off face to face. We've always fought through proxies like it's happening right now. But Russia is now saying that we're We have perpetrated the Nord Stream Pipeline Explosion, which is a crime against humanity, war crimes, okay?

And we're saying war crimes against them. And they are also saying that by us being there and spending so much money and doing all this and giving them advice, we're directly engaging. We are also saying that the only way that we're going to end this. is if Putin and his regime is gone. So it's regime change. He is saying that it's either us or them, because I'm not going anywhere. So if they defeat, they'll defeat our entire system. So they cannot win. The United States is trying to destroy us. They're trying to destroy us. We're trying to destroy them, okay? That's never happened since we had nuclear missiles. It's never happened. We've

never gone toe to toe face to face. And it's always been about another issue. It hasn't been, I'm going to topple you. That's what makes this nuclear flashpoint different than all of the other flashpoints. It's always been about something else. But now both, sides are on record crimes against humanity regime change that's what if we got into a war and we know we knew Putin

was winning and it meant the end of NATO and possibly the end of America would we consider using nukes it means the end of us and the end of Europe I think

we would if they are losing and they feel like that's the end of Russia and they're going to be taken over by NATO, will they use nukes? Yeah, I think the answer is yes. That's the biggest thing you need to understand about this. I still don't think that it's a reality, that it will happen. I do think that when you have the understanding that both sides are backing each other into a corner, and they're both calling for the decapitation of those systems, both sides, you're in a different world.

That's, and you're right. I mean, it's never happened. It seems to me the, the best way to avoid, this is going to sound very basic, but the best way to avoid this escalating is for the current president to be voted out of office and someone else being in control of those decisions. If we can make it that long. Yeah, and that's still, you know, still two years away. Two years away. Two years away. A year and a half, I guess. All right, let me tell you, if you've got a credit card and your balance is $10,000 and you're only making the minimum payment, how long is it going to take for you to pay that off?

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The Department of Defense has been caught, releasing. private individual's records unlawfully to opposition research teams, Democrats, and those records are being used to smear people, threaten people, and change elections. So we got that going for us too now. Yeah, I think we might be on the verge of something really big in this world. Because if you think about, like, I've always thought that the media really hit a tripwire with Trump. They've always been liberal.

They've always been. They went insane. Right. But they went insane. Like they really, they basically outwardly stated, this is too important for those old journalism rules. Correct. Right.

Like he's too uniquely terrible. We have to break all these rules. We now have to fight on the side of what's right in their minds. And we all notice that, I think, with the media. We all saw it happen in front of our eyes. But what is that at its core? That is people using their. own abilities, their own connections, their own surroundings to go after this goal of, in this

case, removing Donald Trump at all costs. The same types of people had jobs within the government, within the Department of Defense, within, as you might call it, the deep state. And those people also went insane when this went on. And we're just at the precipice of understanding what types of moves were made when that was going on. When they all sort of lost their mind and said, you know, I, yes, I'm a liberal, but I'm fighting for our country. Wait a minute. This guy's different.

I need to change. But they started there, but they haven't finished. No. Now they are still doing it and it is getting worse and worse and more widespread. That's why it has to be rebooted. Unplug it and plug it back in with all new people. It's corrupt. All of the files have been corrupted.

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How many are preppers? How many are preppers? Who would consider themselves preppers? 10%? Uh-huh. 1%. Wow. 3.7 million.

That's it. That's it. We are radically underprepared for anything that might happen. Last night I did a special on the threat of nuclear war, and there were a couple of things that came out of that that were really, really important. First of all, we've had close calls, but this is the first time that you've had two nuclear powers, Russia and the United States. and the United States directly engaging each other. It's always been through proxies, and it still is somewhat through Ukraine. But Russia is looking at this more and more like an American war against Russia and Putin.

They both are now threatening to topple one another. So our very existence is at stake if we lose this war or they lose this war. When you get into that kind of situation, the stakes of nuclear war go way up because you're talking about the annihilation of your state, the toppling of your country. And that's the only time that nuclear weapons are really truly thought of in crazy situations by crazy people. They think, well, if we're going down, we might as well take them out as well because we can't have the world led by that. It's a frightening scenario and we are not prepared. Other countries are beginning to prepare. Should we?

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Brad Garrett is joining us. Hi, Brad. How are you, sir? Good morning, Glenn. I'm doing great. How are you? I'm good. I'm shocked at the number that there's only 3.7 million Americans that would consider themselves preppers. I would have thought that was at least 5% 10%. You know, I think that I think that number is a bit misleading because a lot of people don't want to identify themselves as preparers. So I think that, you know, that's a problem with polling. Right. Because if you ask people, if you switch that question around, you say, you know, can you survive for 30 days on your own? Like imagine there's no government infrastructure, you know, waters down, powers down, there's no grocery stores.

if you ask people the question that way, then about 11.7 million people say that they can survive for 30 days. So I think it's a problem of labeling. You know, just like in the past, people didn't want to be called survivalists. People now don't want to be called preppers. It has a kind of, you know, negative. Taking on a negative connotation for some reason. You know, it used to just be called self-reliance. Are you self-reliant?

Yeah. Yeah, of course. Yeah, 150 years. years ago, everyone is self-reliant. Right. We've become increasingly dependent on the state and less dependent on our neighbors, which I think is the bigger problem. You know, I, because I consider myself, well, actually, I go back and forth.

I consider myself a prepper because I'm more prepared than most of my friends. However, I just know there's going to be something like, oh, crap, I forgot batteries. There's going to be something that it all falls apart, you know what I mean? Absolutely. There's always something. But, you know, this is why I spent a lot of time in Salt Lake City when I was writing my book, Bunker. And Church of Latter-day Saints up there, and they are incredible preppers. And they will, you know, they'll practice an emergency. They'll work through their food stores. They practice calling everyone on their phone chain, making sure their neighbors are available in the event of a disaster. That's what we should all be doing. you know, if you do a dry run, then you realize what you're lacking.

Were you allowed into the tunnels underneath Salt Lake? No, I tried. You should have called me. I could have made me gotten you in. It's incredible. Yeah. It's absolutely incredible. They have enough food storage and everything else for the entire city in case there's a problem.

It's really incredible, really incredible. Really incredible. That's fantastic. I have to say it was the easiest part of writing my book. You know, a lot of preppers, particularly preppers that are building high-level luxury, private bunkers, did not want people to necessarily know where they were or what was inside them. But when I showed up in Salt Lake City, they were open arms for the most part. You know, just let me into all of their facilities.

I saw the canning facilities where they fill those number 10 cans with pasta. an oatmeal and everything else. And that was, it was, it was quite a thing. But yeah, I didn't make it to the tunnels. Tell me, since we have had this nuclear warning, it's my understanding that there are countries, Russia is one of them, I think Switzerland is one, I think the United Kingdom is one, where they are going back and looking at their old Cold War bunkers. And in Switzerland, I believe that they're being mandated by government.

you've got to go update the food and water in them. Is that true? That is true. Yeah. And I mean, it's it's kind of ironic that the bunkers that were built by the Soviet Union in Ukraine have been sheltering people and saving probably tens of thousands of lives at this point. But that has encouraged the rest of Europe to sort of reassess their position in terms of bunkers. Switzerland is the most protected country on earth, aside from maybe North Korea, but we have no idea what's going on. Really. So there is space for 102% of the population, which is kind of astounding.

You know, they've actually got 300,000 private bunkers inside Switzerland and then 5,000 public shelters. And most of those are not just fallout shelters, but blast shelters. So those are nuclear biological and chemical filtered shelters that the population can take shelter in. And, you know, there's actually enough space that if someone was visiting, you know, the tourists could end up in those bunkers as well. That is crazy. So where are we on the scale of these Western nations and nations that would be affected by this nuclear threat? where are we in taking it seriously as a government and preparing people for it?

Absolutely terrible. I mean, the U.S. and U.K. are probably at the bottom of the list in terms of preparations. And that goes back in the United States to the Cold War. So there was a team of nuclear strategists that included Herman Kahn that thought about what it would take to, he brought this amazing book on Thermon Nuclear War. I have a copy of it. It's great. Absolutely incredible. But he ran these scenarios about what it would take to

evacuate the U.S. population into bunkers if there were to be an all-out nuclear exchange. And the cost of construction of those bunkers essentially exceeded GDP of the country for a year. Yeah. So that's why the, that's why the, Kennedy administration, I think it was in 63, Kennedy made the speech where he basically said, you know, it's the responsibility of each person, each family, each community to take preparation upon yourself. And that's the path that we've been going down since then. And I think what frustrates

a lot of Americans is that we now know that as that speech was being made, the government was hard at work constructing bunkers for themselves, for their families, for their, for their, for their AIDS. So, you know, we have a model in the United States and also in the UK where if you're a politician, if you're a CEO, if you're, you know, someone with influence and power, you're probably going to get space in a bunker, but everyone else is, you know, left out to dry. And in the United States is this incredible movement in the last thing, their own bunkers. And some of these even rival the government. So why did you write this book? Are you, I mean, do you, are you feeling we're going to need bunkers or what was your motivation here?

Well, creating geopolitical situation, thinking about our deteriorating, you know, just within the country. Right. When I began writing the book on the topic from a sociological perspective, I wanted to know who the private players were that were building these bunkers, what they were worried about. there was an incredence to it and a five acre rant. I've got two different locations that are connected by a four-wheel drive dirt track so I can move between them without going on major roads. Most of the people that I spoke to who were serious about their preparations told me the concerns that they had weren't just speculative, right?

They felt we were on the precipice of something happening. And keep in mind, I started writing this book in 2017. I finished it in 2021. So a lot of interviews with people telling me that it's overdue for one, that they happened with 300 years or so. Right. And then it happened. And so that made me go back and reassess all the other things, we're conspiratorial and a magical thinking. And then when I went and reassess those claims, they seemed to hold a lot more weight than I expected them to.

Yeah. And so you became, you became one of us. Anyway. Sorry about that, Brad. But I think to your point, you know, we're just going back to an earlier time. Or it's taking on a different kind of mindset where you can't just get on Amazon and click a button and get the thing you need tomorrow. You need to have it now because you might not be able to get it when things go wrong. And so, yeah, I think it's just it's just a kind of changing up our mindset a little bit to think about what our position might be in the future.

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And I went into our fallout shelter and it was a joke. I remember the air was not being filtered. The air was just from a shaft that went right direct. outside. Now, I can't even imagine, you know, do fallout shelters even exist anymore? Well, they do. Most of them are in a state of disrepair. A lot of them have been turned into, you know, they've just been adapted for different purposes. There was a national fallout shelter survey that took place in the late 1960s, early 70s, where we identified parking garages, basement, you know, spaces that could be essentially used as a fallout shelter.

So imagine, you know, you're 100 miles from a nuclear blast. You would get into this parking garage and wait it out. But most of those spaces, as you say, didn't have any sort of filtration. Right. So, you know, you might increase people's possibility of surviving, but you're not assuring anyone is going to survive, really. Now, if you try and look for those fallout shelters, they're hard to find. Of course, the government has continued theme of protecting themselves. So they have space and go to.

There's a ring of about 100 bunkers around Washington, D.C., with food, and they've got EMP shielded like the communication systems, flash shelters, so they could take a direct hit. You can, so we've assured the continuity of government. But that's about it. Cockroaches and politicians will survive. Of course they will, yeah. But, you know, the government without its people doesn't mean much. No, it doesn't. Yeah, I mean, it's an incredible thing to imagine during the Cold War, every city in the United States with over half a million people in it had a nuclear war had a nuclear war had aimed at it ready to fire.

I mean, it literally just took someone to press that button. and that city would be obliterated. The nuclear tensions obviously are ramping up again, and we might end up back in that situation where we're thinking seriously about what it would mean to lose as Boston. I mean, what would we do? The answer is the government has a plan, but we don't.

So where do you even start on a plan? I mean, you know, people will say, I've got food and water, but if you had something, and it doesn't even have to be a nuclear explosion, you have something where everything has broken down. You have 72 hours to be away from people. Otherwise, after 72 hours, if no help comes, the thing just goes into chaos.

And if you're known as the person with the food and everything else, I hope you have strong metal doors. Right. Yeah. I mean, there's a huge debate within the Preper community about bugging out versus bugging in. And it's kind of a rural versus urban debate because if you're in an urban area, you probably want to get out of there. Correct. You know, as, as you said, the preppers have this saying 72 hours to animal. It's true.

It takes about three days before people start really falling apart. People will actually, you know, sociological studies have shown that in disaster, people, their first reaction is to help others. Right. And that will carry on for a couple of days until the people who are providing assistance start suffering. And then things start collapsing. So is it that or is it that in 72 hours when you know help isn't coming, then you start to have the bad guys go, we can take it all? I mean, nobody's coming. I think it's more of a sense of abandonment.

But, you know, once people realize help isn't coming, then you start to turn to yourself and your family rather than providing assistance to others. And so, yeah, you know, what can you do? Well, you know, if we're talking about existential threats, nuclear war, unaligned artificial intelligence destroying us, you know, any MP that wipes out all of the electronics in the country instantaneously, this isn't really stuff you can prepare for pretty well. Right. You know, but what you can prepare for is kind of minor turbulence, I call it. Right. You know, the taps turning off or electricity being out for a day or two. You know, buy a backup generator.

Build a go bag that has your passport, your car titles, your birth certificate, you know, that kind of stuff. And have that ready to grab at a moment's notice. Those are things that everyone can do right now. And it's really, it doesn't take much. All right. I want to come back, though, because people are building bunkers, and you've seen some of the greatest around the world. We'll talk about that coming up in just a second.

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Dr. Bradley Garrett. He is the author of a book called Bunker, Building for the End Times. He was not necessarily, as he just said a few minutes ago, a prepper. He was just interested

more of a, in the societal effects and reasons of prepping. And now he's a he considers himself a prepper himself after listening to the people and why they were building these bunkers. You saw some really incredible bunkers, I'm guessing.

Glenn, it was such a privilege to write this book because I was able to travel to eight different countries looking at government and private bunkers. And I got access to some of the most elaborate, luxurious, and incredible private installations on Earth. There's one in Europe someplace. I can't remember where it is, where it's a huge underground compound. Did you get into any of those? I think you're probably referring to Europa 1, which is a development.

For millionaires and billionaires. Yeah. So the problem with a lot of these bunkers is that the developers that are building them, are trying to sell space before they're built, and they create these CGI representations and photorealistic images of bunkers that do not exist, and Europa 1 is one of those, unfortunately. I chased that rabbit for quite a while before I realized that there was nothing there. But there are plenty of examples of bunkers that have been built, that I was able to tour that are absolutely incredible.

The gold standard being the survival condo in Kansas. Did you ever run into that one? No, huh? Okay, this is absolutely amazing. So there was a developer named Larry Hall. He bought this Atlas S missile silo from the federal government. Oh, yes. Yeah, this was a missile silo that would have contained an ICBM with a nuclear warhead on it.

Obviously, they've been, they've been decommissioned since the Cold War. And then the government is left holding the bag. You know, what do we do? What do we do with these things? So they put them up for sale. And Larry Hall bought one of these bunkers for $300,000. It's got nine-foot concrete walls, and it's 200 feet deep.

And he had to pump a bunch of water out of this thing because it's in the middle of the, you know, agricultural fields in central Kansas. And he ended up building. He spent $10 million building a subterranean skyscraper. I call it a geoscraper in my book. I'm not sure what else to call it. But imagine a skyscraper turned upside down. You know, if it were the other way around, it would be the second largest,

second highest building in Kansas. Holy cow. Right. Yeah, but he built this thing upside down. So there's 15-story structures. He's got a dentist, surgery rooms. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's got a shooting range down there, three armories,

which I'm not sure that's the best idea. If everyone's confined underground to have them drinking at the bar. He's also got a jail cell if things go wrong. You know, they can chuck someone in there. And he's even got a quarantine facility. So he's got a separate unit connected to the quarantine someone, if they're sick and then it has the... I'm just looking at it online.

Just search for... What was a survival condo in Kansas? It's amazing. It's absolutely incredible. And I can tell you, I looked at the photos of this thing. I had been disappointed again and again when I was writing this book. As I mentioned, I would show up. There was nothing there.

Or I would get very evasive when I asked to see it. And the other hand said, come on over. And I drove up from Texas at rapid speed to go see the bunker. And it exceeded all of my expectations. I mean, it's... Oh, I want to go see it. Aquaponics facility in there.

They're raising tilapia. They've got a grocery store that he modeled on Whole Foods where you actually get the cart and you go and you get your cans and you get your fresh bread and you can have a coffee made by the barista. How many, wait, how many people can stay in there? So he's currently, he's sold space to about 60 people down there. And so he sells either a half-floor or a full-floor condo. The half-floors, I believe, are 1.5 million.

And the full floor is a 3 million. But the thing that's really weird when I spoke to him about it is he said, look, I asked him, what kind of group dynamic do you have down here? Yeah, yeah. But, you know, does everyone, have they met each other? Do you have get-togethers? Right. Do you have, like, a complementary skill set?

Right. You know, obviously, you need the dentist. You need the doctor. You need someone who can make coffee. You know what I mean? You need all these people to get this into function. And he said, look, Brad, when someone's writing you a check for $1.5 million, you don't ask any questions.

Oh, I do. I do. You know, that's what, honestly, that's what would stop me from, buying into something like this is I want to know that the people I'm with are not crazy zombie fighters you know they're they're not let's go get up you know that we all are like minded and you know when when society breaks down somebody always tries to be in charge and we've seen this in in every disaster movie you know somebody is in there and they're like I got this you'll all sit down.

You're like, oh, crap. So I kind of like. And that's what Larry told me. He said, you know, when the event takes place and everyone retreats to the bunker, they're not making any decisions at that point. I close the door and myself and my security team decides who's doing what and when. Because, you know, we can't have an insurrection. We can't have a mutiny inside this ship.

I mean, I love this. So a lot of the prepper is talking. me about their bunkers is being a ship that travels through time rather than space, which I just found totally fascinating. What does that mean? So they said, so you, you stockpile the bunker for three weeks, three months, three years, five years, whatever, right? You've got this kind of arbitrary time that you're going to pass through.

And they talked to me like it was a journey. Well, we're going to get in here and we're going to close the door. And then we're all on the ship for three years. and the goal is to exit the ship, right? Like we made it to the other side and then we exit the thing. And so maintaining order and stability isn't just about technical engineering. It's not just about stockpiling food and making sure that everyone is comfortable and happy. It's also about maintaining social cohesion, about maintaining order inside the bunker.

And the easiest way to do that, of course, is through, an extremely authoritarian structure where you just say, you know, there's one person making the rules here, and everyone's following the rules, and that's how we get off this ship. I mean, that's what happens on an actual ship on the ocean, right? You've got a commander who says everyone's following the rules where you get flogged, and that's how their ships made it to their destination. So do most bunkers that you saw, are they groups of people, or are families doing this? Well, so this is a change from the Cold War.

In the Cold War, you had this model where people were kind of digging up their backyards and putting in a bunker for themselves and their family. And that model obviously excludes your neighbors, your community, and so it can be somewhat alienating. So a lot of the private bunkers that I visited when I was writing this book had a very different model. It was more like a commune, honestly. They said, we're going to bring people in. We want people to have complementary skills. We want to make sure everyone gets along and that we have a tribe, essentially, because

surviving on your own is really hard. You really need community. You need other people to be able to make it through a situation, particularly if it's lasting for months on end. And so a lot of these new bunker communities that have sprung up in the past 10 years or so, they're based on a community model that anthropologists, studied in the 1960s where when you get to about 250 people communities start breaking down because that's that's the point at which people don't really know each

other as well correct and so that's kind of the limit of what you can do if you're going to build a really survivable community so as you're looking at all of this and you were you were looking at as an outsider at first how sane does it seem to be to do these things? Or is this just going to be remembered as like a 1950s backyard bunker that just, you know, was never used? Well, I think the thing that people are creating now, because it's based on a sense of community, it will be, what people will remember is the times they had there. So I went to another community called the X-Point in South Dakota.

This is built by a California real estate developer named Robert Bucino. And he purchased 575 concrete bunkers that were left behind from World War II. Again, the government doesn't know what to do with these things. You know, they opened it up to cattle grazing. And then eventually Robert came in and said, hey, I'll lease those bunkers and then I'll sub-lease them to preppers that want to have a safe space. So I was there on day one of that thing opening, and I was there when the first four residents signed their leases.

A couple of years on, there's about 40 families there. On 4th of July, it's a riot out there. It's really fun. Everyone's out barbecuing. They bring their RVs. They bring their families. Everyone knows each other. It's a pretty tight-knit community.

I think what people remember South Dakota and we had some amazing parties out there and we met friends and if something had happened we could have gone to it of course the

people are mostly thinking about is when something does happen they've got a place to go all living of anxiety geopolitics about internal strife within the country and the bunker for these people

gives them a sense of solace You know, they know that they have a place to go. They know that they have a community that they can return to you, as you say, of like-minded people. Right. Where they can retreat and they can talk about what's happening and they can put a plan together. And they spend their time out there working on practical skills, which is a really cool thing because, you know, a lot of the partisan political divides that we have right now, they get annihilated when you start talking about water filtration and installing solar panels and, you know what I mean? Even just, we have a ranch and, you know, even just being out there every Sunday and work in the ranch, you know, mend in the fence, things like that, a lot of stuff falls away and life becomes much more simple. And it does give you peace to know you have a place to go.

Dr. Bradley Garrett, the book is Bunker, the building for the end times. Highly recommend it. Bradley, I love to have you on again. you're fascinating. Thank you so much. Absolutely. It's been a pleasure, Glenn. Hey, bye, bye. Sherry wrote in about her dog's experience with Rough Green. She says from day one with Rough Green's,

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While they preach the supremacy of the state, declare its omnipotence over individual man and predict its eventual domination of all peoples on the earth. They are the focus of evil in the modern world. Can I ask you? You know he's talking about the Soviet Union, but think about what the Great Reset and the WEF and, you know, build back better is all about. Play that again. Think of the United States. While they preach the supremacy of the state, declare its omnipotence over individual man and predict its eventual domination of all peoples on the earth.

They are the focus of evil in the modern world. Doesn't that kind of sound like what we're doing now right now? I mean, we're like, you know, saying the administrative state is going to run everything and we're all going to just all march in line. and you're certainly farther down that road than I'd like to be. Yeah, me too, me too. Anyway, we shared the pertinent information and took you through the history of why we haven't blown each other up. And then gave you some evidence that maybe times are changing and they shouldn't, but maybe they are, should we be prepared.

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You know, you could have told me, giving me a better clue. We just talked, I think it was on Friday, and said, are you thinking about running for president? You're like, I'm thinking about it. Come on, you knew. You knew. Glenn, I think I said I was very seriously considering

and I dropped about every possible hint I could have on the show. No, I mean, we hung up. up and I said on the air, he's running. He's absolutely running. Yeah, come on. I gave it to you. I know. Exactly. So, Vivek, first of all, you are not known as

a politician or somebody who's ever done this. You're known as a CEO. We'll get into some of that. What is it that your platform, I mean, like on with Russia, what would you do as president with what we're going through now in Ukraine?

I think foreign policy is all about prioritization, Glenn. I would not spend another dollar on Ukraine. I would reprioritize that to take on the number one foreign policy challenge, which is declaration of independence from communist China. I think we can declare economic independence and defeat them economically so we don't have to militarily. That's number one. And the number two, if there's a use case for the U.S. military and weapons, it is actually to protect our border and to take on, and I would go so far as to say, decimate the cartels, 100,000 fentanyl deaths in the United States today, 80% of which comes from southern border crossings. Deal with that. Protect our soil here. We could do that for a fraction, Glenn, of the cost that it takes to, you know, fight a foreign war somewhere on the

other side of the world that has far fewer American interests tied to it. I was in New Hampshire yesterday, And actually one of the things that surprises me, Glenn, is how broad the support for that idea for both of those foreign policy prong is. Oh, yeah. And it's amazing to be that the defense establishment doesn't, you know, it says you can't say that in polite company. But that gives you a sense for where I am on foreign policy. So let me ask you, Vivek. I mean, Donald Trump was an outsider. He came in, and he's told me several times personally he had no idea.

He knew it was bad, but he had no idea that he wouldn't be able to trust a soul in Washington. He had no idea how deep the deep state was and how powerful it was. What makes you think you could go in and rock everyone's world? Well, he's told me the same thing, and he's a friend. And honestly, I take inspiration from what he did in 2015. I just think we've got to take this to the next level. Part of this is going to have to be just involving shutting agencies down full stop. Now, are there costs and benefits to that?

Yes. but I think we live in a moment where the benefits outweigh those costs. So when you say shut agencies down, what agencies are you talking about? Department of Education. Let's start there. I was speaking to the Iowa legislature this morning, congratulating them for what they did with school choice in Iowa. I think we'd eliminate the Federal Department of Education. But many other three-letter acronyms, even much of the National Security apparatus, Glenn, has to be shut down and replaced in those cases with something new. because when a managerial rot runs so deep, you can't reform it by putting a different figurehead at the top.

You have to shut it down and build something new to take its place. And here's the other thing. I mean, I can say this, Donald Trump knows this just as well as I do from being a CEO. If you can't fire somebody who works for you, that means they don't work for you. It means you work for them. You are their slave. We need to replace these civil service protections with sunset clauses saying that, you know what, If I can't be the next president of the United States and work for the federal government for more than eight years, then neither should anybody who works for me either.

Those federal bureaucrats got to be subject to eight-year sunset clauses. How are you going to get that done? I mean, you have to have a Congress that has the balls to do these things. And I'm not sure you have the Congress on either side of the aisle. You got a few. Asking all the right questions, right? So I take a strong view of the Constitution here. Article 2 of the Constitution says that the President of the United States runs the federal government

period. So if Congress isn't willing to act, as president, I am, and I have studied the Supreme Court and the composition of the Supreme Court right now, you want to take this one and test it in the Supreme Court with me? Great. We can then use judicial precedent to make sure that we lock that in. I believe that Clarence Thomas and others on the court today will be right there with me on my view of Article 2 and how that reads in the Constitution to say, that a lot of these other quasi-unconstitutional statutes from the impoundment prevention

Act of 1974 that says that actually the president has to spend money on specific agencies that Congress has actually authorized it to have to spend on. That's authorization, not a mandate. Firing in civil service protections, as I said, if you're running the federal government, under article to the Constitution, the

president runs the executive branch. I take the Constitution seriously. And you know what? I think the friendly way to do it is to lead Congress. I personally think the 2024 can actually be a landslide election, Glenn. I'm a separate topic for another day. I'm optimistic about that. But if we don't get it done that way, we will get it done through executive authority

per what the Constitution empowers a president to do. This is what, again, I talk about. America First, I'm all in as an America First conservative. We've just got to take this to the next level with what I repeatedly am now calling America First 2.0. And that's a big part of the reason I'm doing this. So why did you change? You said you were a libertarian.

Why did you decide you were a conservative over a libertarian? I used to be a libertarian college, actually. I had this discussion with folks in New Hampshire yesterday, too. There was a couple libertarians that came to one of my rallies last night. But here's the thing. Libertarians, I got two issues. One is they're too meek, actually. So they'll talk about the free market, and they say they don't want to make political expression

of civil right, as I believe we need to in this country. Yet they don't actually touch the other protected classes like race or sex or religion or national origin. And so my view is these libertarians today, with all due respect, have their heads in the sand because you can't have it both ways. That's problem number one. But problem number two is deeper, which is, you know, what do we do in that free world, even when the state's out of our hair? There's still the deeper question of purpose as a citizen, how we live our lives, how we live virtuous lives. And I care about virtue in civic life and in family life and in faith-based life, too. Not to say that the government necessarily should be involved or mandating those things,

but those things matter for human flourishing, for American flourishing. And libertarianism has nothing to say about that. That is why I call myself a conservative today, in contrast to 15 years ago, and I thought I was a cool kid in college, calling myself a libertarian. So we're talking to Vivek Rameswami. He is running for President of the United States as a Republican. and we've gotten to know each other over the World Economic Forum and ESG, and you are not only one of the biggest voices against it.

You're actually, you've put into action, strive management, where you are saying invest with us, we'll do better with your money than BlackRock, and we're going to use the voting rights that we get to try to tell these companies, don't do these woke things. But there's some charges out about you that I just like to hear you answer. You were nominated and selected as a World Economic Forum, young global leader in 21. This is hilarious.

Thank you for this opportunity. This is actually a lot of fun for me. Look, partisan politics, I mean, there's a lot of people on the left and on the right who were threatened by my entry. into this race, so I welcome the opportunity to have this debate in the open. All right. I think you know this. I don't like to boast about myself, but I would go so far as to say no one. And I mean, no one in this country has been a bigger, both doer and crusader against the World Economic Forum agenda than probably the two of us on this call. I would challenge somebody to name, I really

mean it. I would challenge anybody to name one for me. If you really pressed me, I would name maybe Elon Musk. And guess what? He's named on that same website of the World Economic Forum. somebody else financially friend peter teal he's been named on that same website you want to know why here's the dirty little secret though and i've seen this firsthand i experienced it firsthand the world economic form names you on their website without your permission so the funny part is i have a book coming out later this year where i actually detail this experience i have phone calls emails and i was respectful about it i believe in being civil but i said do not name me on your website because i do not accept your award i don't want to speak at your conference they tell me oh no no no no you miss you miss it's

understand. We have all the global billionaires here. Mark Zuckerberg was a young global fellow. They gave me the list of norms. No, no, no, Vivek, you don't understand this is an honor. I respectfully disagree. I don't want to be named. And I don't accept your award. And then they go on to put my name on their website anyway. Now, they've asked me to speak there and that kind of thing. I declined. But the funny thing about me, and I've learned a little bit about how this partisan politics game works. You know, Trump spoke at the World Economic Forum in Davos in 2018 and 2019. Do I hold that against him? No.

You don't know why? Because everyone who's as financially successful as me or Donald Trump or Elon Musk or whoever else gets invited to speak. In my case, I said no, because this has been my focus area. It would not have made sense for me to do it. In Trump's case, he said, yes, I don't hold that against him. But I think it just reveals one of the things that's been eye-opening to me about the online version of the conservative movement is the rise of these clickbait conservatives that it's sort of sad, want to mislead their own followers. to advance what agenda I don't know. But at the end of the day, I also don't want to complain about it.

We're in the big leagues with presidential politics. This is, you know, we all know it's a dirty game, but it's good to keep your eye on the fact. Well, I can, I can verify. I can verify one thing. The World Economic Forum has me on a list, too, and they won't take me off that list either. So it's just not the same kind of list. I know. So the next thing is,

that you have a long-time association with Soros, and I'm probably the number one anti-Soros guy in the world. Can I give you a one-word answer to that question? Glenn, I know you're the number one anti-Soros guy, so I'm not saying false to you. I'm saying false to the longtime association with George Soros. Yeah. Lie. 100% lie.

Now, let me actually give you guys the facts. And again, these clickbait conservative. online. I don't know if they feel threatened or whatever and they need to make up stuff. I was 25 years old when I went to law school. I got a scholarship funded by Paul Soros, not George Soros, but Paul Soros that allowed me at the age of 25 to pay for law school. And I took it. You don't know why? Because I'm smart. Now, it's hilarious to me that the same people who bring that fact up from when I was 25 years old taking a scholarship funded partially by somebody who's related to George Soros, don't say a word about the fact that, again, Donald Trump, who I love, who I respect, I'm not criticizing him,

took a $160 million loan from not Paul Soros, but George Soros himself. I have no problem with it. You want to know why? Because it's business. Donald Trump knows what he's doing. I don't think he's corrupted by that. I'm not criticizing him for it. He's a friend.

But I think it's funny, and I think it's revealing that these same people will talk about a 25-year-old kid taking a scholarship to help him pay for law school from a relative of George Soros. make a big deal out of that without saying a peep about Donald Trump taking $160 million loan for George Soros. And I say that as a friend of somebody who respects Donald Trump because I don't think that that disqualifies him or taints him in any way because he's a man of integrity and he's doing business the way he knows how. But I think that when you're in positions like I've been or Donald Trump's been, you get that. I think if you're sitting online all day on Twitter, it can be a very different story. All right. I've got one more question in this line here. And that is your, you're a, You're a biotech guy and embed with big pharmaceuticals and a big proponent of MRNA shots. And, you know, you've, you have, you've never critiqued Pfizer.

So let me, let me say a couple things. First of those things is true. I'm a biotech guy. I'm proud of my success in biotech. Then five of the medicines I worked on personally oversaw in the company that I founded are FDA approved products today. That is now a multi-billion dollar company, a $7 billion company that I led as CEO. One of those drugs is a drug for prostate cancer, another for women's health conditions, from endometriosis to uterine fibroids, to psoriasis, to one that's particularly touching for me.

It's an approved therapy for kids who were born with a genetic disease that caused them to die by the age of two at 100% fatality rate by the age of two or three. Now a majority of them have an opportunity to live lives of potentially a normal duration. I'm proud. of those things, Glenn. I will not apologize for it. That is part of what makes America great. And is part of what makes innovation great is it empowers human beings to live better lives. That is not an association with anything other than human innovation and a commitment to actually making people prosper by addressing diseases and treating them. Now, the idea that I am a proponent of some sort of vaccination agenda, no, I am on the record right now. I oppose vaccine

mandates. I think that there has been a lot of rampant government lying and mistrust, appropriately so to the American public, because of how badly they handled this issue. But I think we can't go to a place where we say that now we don't want people working on innovative medicines to treat diseases from prostate cancer to psoriasis to genetic conditions in children. No, I think that we ought to stand up for the innovation that makes us who we are, and I'm proud of what I accomplished. All right, talking to Vivek Ramoswami, back with him in just a second. Jim wrote in about his experience with Relief Factory.

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10 seconds, station ID. Let me go back to your platform. A good friend of ours, David Harsani has a pushback a bit on one of your platform policies like to hear your response. Yes, I think respectful questioning about one of your policy proposals of Vake about making political ideas protected right. I think there's a lot of appeal to conservatives who continually get fired from their jobs over what they believe. He says, though, we could have some negative side effects. He says, your idea would potentially make it illegal not only for Disney to fire a social conservative, but for a Jewish restaurant to sever its relationship with any Nazi, or a hedge fund would be compelled to keep a Trotskyite who believe profits are evil on the payroll, or Walmart having to wait for the worker to spend his days trying to put big box chains out of business to leave on his own volition. How do you walk this line?

Because obviously there is a lot of really negative consequences coming from this, but does, if we make this a civil right, does it? go too far? Great question. These are the kinds of things we actually should be talking about. It's a great question. Thank you. So here's what I would say. I would give Congress a choice. Either you repeal the protected classes as they exist, okay, race, sex, religion, national origin, sexual orientation, and you actually leave it to the free market, or you have to apply those standards even handedly. But you cannot have it both ways. And I'm going to, since this is, you know, since I know who I'm talking to here, it's a pretty sophisticated, you know, counterpart here. Glenn in particular understands this. I know. Let me explain exactly how those civil rights laws

and protected classes created the conditions for viewpoint discrimination. We have two minutes. Go ahead. There's no rights statutes, right? Yeah, so Lyndon Johnson thought it was just prohibiting discrimination on the base of race. But they've now been interpreted to say that that includes hostile work environments against religious minorities. What's one of the ways that now you can create a hostile work environment? It's by wearing a Trump hat to work. It's by saying the wrong thing on social media. So ironically, the law created the conditions for viewpoint-based discrimination while leaving political viewpoints unprotected. So you're not going to say,

can't have it both ways. If you can't fire somebody for being black or gay or Muslim or white or Jewish or whatever, you should not be able to fire somebody for being an outspoken conservative either. We have to apply these standards even-handedly. And if you want to get rid of protected classes all together, great, I'll have that conversation. But no Republican or anybody else is willing to. And so in the meantime, I think we need to bring civil rights into the 21st century to protect political expression as a civil right. All right. Vivek, I love the fact that you're running. I support anybody who is standing up for the Constitution, standing up for the right of people,

standing up against the endless wars and the lies. and you just are just able to run for president. Are you not? Didn't you just have a birthday? Are you, what, 36, 36, 37, two years ago? 37. Yeah, you're 37. That would be a shocking change from what we have had traditionally since really Clinton.

And I think he was in his 40s. I only want people above 100 years old to run for president. Really? Yes. I think we should go the other direction. I'm sorry, Vivek. Okay. Okay. Vivek Ramoswamy. We'll talk to you again. Thank you so much. You can find out more at Vivek, V-I-V-E-E-K-2024.com.

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I sincerely hope that Donald Trump will take us up on our offer tomorrow to be on the program. I think it was one of the most politically savvy moves. seen from a politician in a very, very long time, if ever. And that was his trip up to Ohio yesterday and bringing stuff bought on his own dime to help the people of Ohio. I just thought that was fantastic. And so you know, that is what he's like. He is that kind of guy that does amazing things for people and does it because he can.

not for a photo op. Long before he was running for president, he reached out to you in a way you've described before as being thoughtful. Yeah, very, very. He is. It's weird. He is a steamrolling wrecking machine. At the same time,

he is a really thoughtful guy. And for a long time, I didn't understand how to put those two together. I thought one had to be fake. It's not. One's business and one's, him. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. Well, it's understandable why it's hard to put that together. There's not a lot of people who are like that. No, that makes him somewhat unique.

There's not what did you think of Vivek? You know, I like Vivek a lot. It's interesting to see how you brought up a lot of those criticisms. Some of them have come from, you know, I think a lot of surrogates for other candidates and, you know, some conservative, some conservative writers and such. Some of them, I think, are just, I mean, you know, he's listed on a site the world economic forum for him for someone who's been successful and he didn't come and speak there is not to me a really you know, noteworthy criticism. You know, and it's interesting to see how when you announce for president, how kind of things change. I mean, he's been on the show a bunch of times and everyone teared him on as being this, you know, anti-woke warrior. And the second you announce for president, there's a lot

of new criticisms that come out of the woodwork. You know, I tend to be more like I think his proposal is interesting and part of me wants to cheer it on when it comes to making a political speech a civil right. But like I can see David Harsani's and others criticism on this, like how this would play out. Because yeah, we can all cheer on and say, hey, we don't want conservatives to be fired from Disney. But we also know what that means on the other side, too, when you have at your employment some crazy socialist who has views that are against your company and you have to keep them employed because of this, it would be a real problem. Okay, so he's, he's either, he's either hasn't thought this one through.

I'm sure he has. I'm sure he has. Or, um, I just disagree with him, you know? Yeah. But there's another possibility that he is so smart. He knows that any time a libertarian says, let's get rid of that. What do they, what do they say? You mean get rid of all the protected classes?

Yeah. Right. They say, oh, you're racist. Racist. Homophole. You're against sponges, whatever it is. But this happened to Rand Paul back in the day. All the time.

Yeah. So this gives him the ability to poke holes through that without calling for an end of that, just saying, oh, well, then we're going to balance the field. We're going to make everything, you know, a protected class because freedom of speech, you've got to make that political freedom of speech, a protected class, which they will not want to do. okay, well, then let's get rid of all of them. Because the things that you're saying won't work because of political, you know, political games. Well, yeah, okay, I agree with you. Yeah. And that's why half of the country thinks the other protected classes don't work.

Yeah. And, you know, if you're a candidate like Vivek, you can't be a game manager. You can't be, you know. A gay manager? Not a gay manager. You can't be a game manager. Oh, okay. Gay manager.

What's a gay manager? Well, gay manager. Hi, welcome to my floral shop. You should understand what a gay manager is. It's a manager who's gay. I know, but I didn't understand it in this particular. It wouldn't make sense. Okay, well.

But like, you have to be a game manager. Game manager. It's a common term in sports, which is why I don't know. Yeah, yeah. So a game manager at quarterback is a guy who runs the system. He can hit the open receiver. He can make all the throws you need in your. your offense and he's a great guy to have

if you have a great defense for example. He's my homie. No, he's absolutely you're talking about Patrick Mahomes and no, Patrick Mahomes is not a game manager. He's also not a gay manager. Yes, he could do all those things, but so much more. He's one of the best quarterbacks of all time.

Right. I would think that a gay manager would be one of those guys that could do, would be one of the greatest of all times. Why else would you be a gay manager? Why would I try a sports analogy in the show? It's my fault. It is your fault.

I should be fired for that. This is why you're not in the Hall of Fame and I am. Exactly, yes. This is the exact example. I want to bring it directly to the Hall of Fame for consideration. And there you have it. Another example of why Glenn Beck is in the Radio Hall of Fame. I don't know why he obsesses.

So you go into a supermarket and you ask for the manager and he's gay. What's the big deal? Not a big deal. Oh, my gosh. To try to explain briefly. Okay. A game manager is a guy, a quarterback, who can stay within the system and do what you need to do, not screw it up, not lose the game for you. A guy like Patrick Mahomes is something totally different who is who can make.

He'll throw a pass with a side arm and giving you the side eye at the same time. You do know a little bit about Patrick Mahomes. Don't push me on any of that. No one else would state it that way. But yes, that's exactly. He can make a spectacular play, even when you're under man. And maybe you're coming from a disadvantageous position. He can make all the incredible throws and he can single-handedly hero ball you to a victory.

And in some ways, I think, if you're a candidate like Vivek, who maybe a lot of people don't know, you have to make bold proposals or no one's going to notice you. You can't come in here with like, well, I would like to cut taxes by 6%. Like no one's going to, you have to make bold proposals. And this is the type of thing that Vivek wants to talk about. So maybe making this is a little bit of an overstep as a full policy. but draws attention to his argument. But does he have to play football? Yes, he has to play football, yes.

I don't understand. And he has to play football as a gay man. So those two things need to occur for Vivek to rise to the president. Nothing wrong with that. Nothing wrong with that. Yeah, I think you might be right. I don't know Vivek real well, but we've gotten to know each other over the last year. And I do think.

He's a man of action. He's a guy who doesn't say things just to say. Oh, yeah. You know what I mean? So he's not. So I can see you. I agree that that might be part of his thinking. But if he's doing that, there is strategy behind it to be able to move that forward.

And look, I think this is where the party is right now. You know, the praise for Donald Trump, for Ron DeSantis, for what Vivek is doing here, a lot of it surrounds taking issues that in the past 20 years have been looked at as issues you don't want to apply

centralized government power to. And that is the right at this moment is looking for people who will selectively apply centralized government power to problems that really piss them off. That's where the party is. It's where the movement is right now.

I don't like it a lot of the times, but that is where it is. And I think a lot of the candidates that are going to jump into this race and have success are going to be the ones that do recognize that that's where voters are right now.

Well, can we survive, though, as a party, as a nation, as a people, if we don't see nuance. For instance, he's a biotech guy. Great.

Is he a public partner, public-private partnership biotech guy? Is he a guy who says, hey, wave all the rules for me because I'm in bed with the government? That's different. What we have, you know,

I have problems, real problems with the drug companies right now. But almost all of it stems from being in bed with the federal government. You're not in bed with the federal government and the government is an honest broker, which ain't happening, then go ahead, do your drugs, make your drugs.

Let's make sure we hold you responsible if they're killing people. You know what I mean? But you should, we should be celebrating tech. We should be celebrating new ideas and opportunities. But we're getting to a place to where we see things. We go, hmm, pharmaceutical bad. Yeah. Look, I think this is really bad.

And I think, you know, I, we can't become the party of anti-medicine. That's not a good direction to go. And I would point out that while many people have problems with the biotech industry and the insurance industry and, you know, the vaccines and vaccine mandates and the doctors and the nursing schools and all the stuff that's being jammed now. Yeah. It's so it has to be on a case-by-case basis. I mean, I would point out that both Ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine came from big pharmaceutical companies. Yeah.

Right. You know, this shouldn't be just a battle against medicine generally. No, it has to look at these things individually. It has to be public-private partnerships and wokeness. Yeah. It's got to be things that actually cancel science. That actually say this is more important than what the data says. This is more important than, you know, a test run or, you know, the failures.

we've got to lie about this or cut this corner because, because, because, wokeness. That's really what our fight should be about on all of this. Look, I don't mind if when, you know, companies were saying, hey, we're going to have a fund that is for environmentalists. It's great. Good. Go for it.

If that's the way you want to invest your money, perfect. But don't force everyone to do it. That's the real problem. It's not that we have, you know, different taste or different choices ahead of us. It's the government picking winners and losers and forcing us usually into a loser. Yeah. And I think they're, look, we're going to get a pretty big field, I think, of candidates by the time this is over. I don't necessarily think that's a great thing.

I don't want another 18. I know. And I'm worried we're going to climb. I'd love to have five, six. Yeah, that would be interesting. You know, six and six different flavors, right? Six different approaches, not a bunch of people who are doing it the exact same way. So far, I think the first three have different approaches, and that's interesting.

You're certainly going to, I think, see DeSantis in as well eventually. You're probably going to see Tim Scott in. These are all pretty serious people that have different approaches. It's good. You'll probably get someone from the left moderate anti-Trump type of vibe, Larry Hogan, somebody like that, maybe Liz Cheney, someone in that realm. I think Liz Cheney will do it. She's, I don't know, she's not even a,

there's not even registered Republican anymore. She's mad. Well, yeah, but somebody from that, somebody from that realm is probably going to step in and not make any, any real, or you probably get someone from. If they don't, they'll raise money and it'll be a huge pack against him. Yeah.

Which is even more nefarious. And also more likely. Yeah. I mean, I think, I think that's more likely. More nefarious. Thank you so much. All right, back in just a second. Let me talk to you about Goldline.

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and research a lot of spooky stuff. Like 2004, it was numb. Yeah, I know. You just kind of, but he wrote an article for glenbeck.com. You can get it in the newsletter today if you sign up. As a child of the 1980s, I have strong memories of being terrified, but nuclear war of the Soviet Union. But those fears mostly faded away over the next 25 years as communism largely crumbled into Eastern Europe and Russia.

We lost our sense of urgency. and alarm over nuclear weapons. This was been a harsh wake-up call to be reminded of the horrific reality that nuclear war would entail. It also didn't help that Glenn told me to rewatch the 83 TV movie the day after. We always strive to produce important,

relevant episodes, but this week has had a particular urgency as the U.S. deepens its commitment to Ukraine in the war with Russia. The world has changed, and we no longer have just one nuclear foe. We desperately need a potent reminder to the world that we are sitting on a tinderbox of nearly 13,000 nuclear warheads. Do you know that only 7% know what nuclear winter is?

Do you know what nuclear winter is? When a bomb goes up, all the cloud goes up, okay, all the smoke goes up, and then all that particle stays in the air for months. nuclear winter it will drop if we had a nuclear war with Russia it will drop the temperature 43 degrees on average so most of the world will be at freezing summer winterfall now you might be listening in Alaska and say well it's already you know a hundred below zero once you get below zero. Really, you get past 29 degrees. What's the difference between 29 and 143 below zero? But it's, the consequences are astonishing and most of us have forgotten about them. And there is a reason this

time. There is something different this time about this war. And I explain it in the TV show. It's available for Blaze TV subscribers on demand. blaisTV.com slash glen promo code glen or you can get it at youtube.com slash glenback program