The Glenn Beck Program - Our Right to Privacy Is Gone | Guests: Sen. Mike Lee, Brad Polumbo, & Dallas Jenkins | 12/12/19

Episode Date: December 12, 2019

An Arizona man registered a swarm of bees as an emotional support animal. Yesterday Sen. Ben Sasse called out the FBI’s abuse of power in a big win for the American people. Sen. Mike Lee calls in to... discuss how the FISA review signals the destruction of the Fourth Amendment. Glenn argues that the media is now the enemy of the Constitution. Gay libertarian journalist Brad Polumbo debates Glenn on whether the Fairness for All Act protects individuals as well as churches. Trump’s latest court pick proves that progressives are scared of him. And is “Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer” the “queerest holiday special"? Filmmaker Dallas Jenkins discusses his new crowdfunded gospel series, “The Chosen,” which goes WAY beyond any “Jesus film.” Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:02 Good morning. How are you? Good morning, everybody. How is everybody this morning? Well, I'm pretty good. We do have an Arizona man that has registered a swarm of bees as an emotional support animal. We're just screwing with this stuff now. I love it.
Starting point is 00:00:22 That's just a troll, I assume, right? Well, he was trying to make the point that it's too easy to have emotional support animals. That's a good way to make it. he had his beehive, a swarm of bees, designated. I really makes me laugh. I love this. We need to get this guy on. Sarah, come in and see if we can get this guy on.
Starting point is 00:00:46 I love this. The bees swarming around your head. That's a soothing thing for somebody. Everybody else on the plane's freaked out. It's similar, though, to the way we treat colleges, right? Where, like, 90% of people are thinking one way, but there's the one person who doesn't like the next. nativity scene or whatever.
Starting point is 00:01:03 And it's like that's what this is, right? Why do we, why are we addressing? It seems like our society now should say, yeah, the B guy. He's the one we should honor here. In our society, yes. The fusion of entertainment and enlightenment. This is the Glembach program. Welcome to the program.
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Starting point is 00:03:52 Prescott Valley, Arizona, resident David Keller, thinks the application process to register an emotional support animal is too easy. So he's tried to register a swarm of bees as his service pet. It worked. That's unbe-leavable. A lot of people thought it was hilarious and a lot of people were getting upset. Keller told the CBS affiliate. We recently went on a website called USAServicedog Registration.com and
Starting point is 00:04:28 successfully uploaded a random photo of a beehive as a service animal to bring awareness to the issue that anyone could do this. So now, I want you to understand, he went to the USAService dog registration.com and he registered a beehive.
Starting point is 00:04:47 So it's not even a dog. There's no Leashes that can be put on these. Well, you have tiny leashes. Well, you got little teeny tiny leashes. What did they tell him when he tried to register to buzz off? Anyway, he was inspired to go through the registration after seeing a service dog that was visibly untrained. He said, I could tell that it was not a service animal because it was pulling the owner to the parking lot.
Starting point is 00:05:13 I was thinking, this is too easy. The website he used to register his swarm is just one of many that make the application process for emotional pets too easy experts say they're silly they don't mean anything you can pay for a registry on one of those websites and basically you're paying for a piece of paper they'll put a name on a list training is how you can tell whether it's a service animal or not and not all animals can be trained bees can be trained all right sure they can i mean i don't see why not yeah can you can you just can't see it sit right like it could be sitting stay i mean if they're trained or not.
Starting point is 00:05:52 Make honey. Yeah. And you get a little teeny newspaper and you bat him on the nose if they, if they, I don't know if they, they've got to urinate. Do bees poop? These are great questions. These are great. And emotional support animals are in the eye of the bee holder. Miniature horses remain clear to fly as services animals, although emotional support dogs in two-toos were
Starting point is 00:06:21 recently booted off a flight after showing signs of distress. Now, for the first time, I have, uh, I have an, and an actual service dog. We have trained killers that will rip your throat out. And they're true. I mean, yeah. And, you know, they are trained. Uh, and, you know, they're really, really good. Uh, and for the very first time, you know, he's got the vest and everything and it's even
Starting point is 00:06:50 red for Christmas time. But we, you know, we bring him with the family, usually wherever we go, unless we have been flying, you know, commercially. We'll take him in the car or if we're lucky enough to fly privately or whatever. We'll do that. But we've not taken him on the plane until they started loading horses on the plane. And then I'm like, you know what? This is an actual service to the family. I'm taking this dog.
Starting point is 00:07:19 And so we took him and, you know, he's. clearly a service dog and he's like a hundred pounds but he has to sit at our feet and getting him to sit if he wasn't trained he'd eat us and he sat right at our feet and didn't move the stewardesses were like oh my gosh what a really good dog and we're like yeah he is uh and he sat and just laid underneath our feet the whole time it was uncomfortable him for uncomfortable for us but that's a service dog i see these dogs walking in the airport now and I see all these things that I'm like, okay, that's
Starting point is 00:07:55 not a service dog. But I'm not going to complain. Whatever. Yeah. That's cool. I don't care. Service dogs, too. There's seemingly a line between service dogs, which are allowed pretty much anywhere, right? I mean, like, you especially when you think of traditional service dog, you think of, you know, seeing eye dog,
Starting point is 00:08:12 right? Like that... Well, but no, but an emotional support dog now is the same. It's the same? There's no line there? You cannot take, you cannot refuse an emotional support animal. I mean, obviously, you know, this is why these things happen, right? I mean, we've seen some ridiculous examples. The swarm of bees is my favorite one.
Starting point is 00:08:30 Oh, this is the greatest. This is better than the horse. The horse made it on a plane. I'd like this guy to take a jar of bees. Just hang a hive from the overhead luggage compartment. No, they've got to be with me the whole time. It's just so relaxing. Listen to that buzz.
Starting point is 00:08:50 Everyone else is terrified. This is a great example of our society, though. Right? I mean, you have, like, one person who's upset at Santa Claus on the town square. Yeah. And everyone else just has to deal with it. Right. That's the emotional support B.
Starting point is 00:09:04 And this should be the one that everybody in this society supports. Everyone should support the B guy. Right. Because everyone else, sure, yes, they will be tortured and unhappy. But that's not what this is about. This is about the one person who requested the one thing. Correct. And so they've got to fly next to you.
Starting point is 00:09:21 on a plane. I'd like to register a lot of bees. I think he should take his whole beehive but break it up between his family so they're all sitting with like a jar of bees. There's someone's just going to get this through. It'll actually work somewhere
Starting point is 00:09:41 if people keep trying. We should talk to this guy because I think he probably has a plan. This guy's brilliant. Look, I think this is the taking advantage of people's good nature. Americans have a good nature. And you know what? If you have trouble flying and it will be a little easier for you to,
Starting point is 00:09:58 if you can pet your dog on the flight, give you a little emotional support, an emotional support dog, sure, whatever. That's generally speaking, the attitude here. And then you have people who are going to take it to the B level. Because there's so many people who just like their dog and want it on the flight. Which again is, I mean, I guess it's up to the airline or whatever. I don't really care.
Starting point is 00:10:18 I'm allergic to dogs, believe it or not. I have a hard time petting. Oh, really? Yeah, I have to wash my hands right out. Otherwise, it break out in hives and stuff. Ah. Hives? Hives! So, it was unintentional.
Starting point is 00:10:33 You know, and so I'm allergic to dogs and cats and everything else. So I, you know, I don't want to be sitting on an airplane full of animals, but, you know, okay. It's just like, it's going to be like a bus from Indiana Jones where there's just chickens all over the place and feathers flying in your face. It will be. There's a donkey in a cage in the middle of the aisle. We have all cage. How dare you? How dare you put him in a cage?
Starting point is 00:11:01 I'm calling Greta. Sorry, Greta. I didn't mean to get you up so early. All right. We're going to take a quick break. Then we're coming back with Ben Sass. He has caused a, I don't know how many liberal heads to explode with his questioning yesterday on the FISA abuse. accusations.
Starting point is 00:11:23 And I just want you to listen to him because he's not a guy who's been, you know, exactly all over Donald Trump as we got to support him no matter what. And they are hammering Ben Sass and saying, well, looks like he just turned into a Trump guy. I want you to listen to his testimony and tell me how this can be interpreted at all about anything at all about Donald Trump. This is about your security. This is about the Fourth Amendment. I don't think I have seen a more important hearing and trial than this impeachment trial and all of the other things now with the IG report.
Starting point is 00:12:11 I don't, this is it. This is truly last call for the Constitution. because if this is just all swept under the rug, we're doomed. If they'll do this to a president and to a presidential campaign where they know everybody's going to be looking into it, what do you think they're going to do to you? It's really amazing. We had a lot of great senators yesterday in examination on this.
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Starting point is 00:14:52 I mean, Sarah is yelling at me in my ear the whole time today. Sarah, she doesn't like you. She's worked with, how long have you worked? with me now, Sarah. 16 years. 16 years. That's so depressing when you think about it. Isn't it, Sarah?
Starting point is 00:15:04 A little bit. You were mean to me. Wait a minute. You were mean to me when you first started, and you're still mean to me. I got to keep you in line. Yeah. I wish you could hear what she says to me. We started the show and then Stu and I were laughing about something.
Starting point is 00:15:18 And in my ear, she's like, go. Go. How about talking? We weren't talking to each other off the air. Right. And then just then I. I heard her in my ear And she's like, you're supposed to wait
Starting point is 00:15:33 10 seconds. You're making me sound a lot nicer than I am. Well, this is jolly, Sarah. She's around the holidays. This is a good mood. I'm afraid of Sarah. Help me. How dare you?
Starting point is 00:15:49 You know, think of Greta and then think of Sarah. Have you ever seen them at a party at the same place? Have you ever seen them at a party, period? No, well, there you go. No. Uh-uh.
Starting point is 00:16:01 Okay. I don't know hanging out with too many 16-year-old from Europe at parties. Yeah. Yeah. Really? I try to. There was this great guy I could have introduced you to, but he just hung himself. And he had all of the connections.
Starting point is 00:16:14 He did. To the great 16-year-old parties. He did. Yeah. Yeah. We have Mike Lee coming up in just a second. I'm sure. He's happy about that.
Starting point is 00:16:26 He's like, this was a mistake. Let me play Ben Sasse and his testimony yesterday. This is with Horowitz, the IG, the inspector general for the Justice Department, who was looking into what is the FBI doing? How's this FISA thing working? And listen to this exchange. Mr. Horowitz, thank you for being here and to all of your team. You've done important work.
Starting point is 00:16:51 So thank you to all of you and Rose 1 and 2 as well. There are a number of things that are really troubling. but some of them have been unpacked pretty fully so far. So I'm going to pick up some loose ends. Bruce Orr, who is he? And what's his role at the department? And then let's ask some questions about the bizarre pathway by which he became involved in this investigation.
Starting point is 00:17:14 So at the time of these events, he was an associate deputy attorney general and the head of the organized crime, Drug Enforcement Task Force, working out of the Deputy Attorney General's office. The organized crime and drug enforcement task force, and that's connected to election, interference by the Russians, how?
Starting point is 00:17:30 It is not. What the hell is he doing here? That was precisely the concern that we lay out here. He had no role in any of the election interference matters. We have a bunch of people in the media who wanted to read this as a Rorschach test, and they wanted to have a predetermined answer for exactly how to interpret each piece of this. And so as the chairman began today, he said, you know, predicate of investigation, appropriate but some minor mistakes and errors were made. You've outlined in this 478 or 434,
Starting point is 00:18:05 depending on whether we count all the Roman numerals page report, 17 significant errors in this investigation. Bruce Orr, who has a very significant senior role, ODAG, for those who don't know, the Office of the Deputy Attorney General, has primary oversight of all law enforcement agencies in America. So if you're in the FBI and you might make a mistake in your investigation, the people you'd be in trouble with normally are in the Deputy Attorney General's office. And here's a guy in the Deputy Attorney General's office who ultimately gets involved, inserts himself into this investigation. And I think it's pretty important to recognize we've got a massive cultural systemic failure. If a guy from ODAG who should be doing oversight of this case, if he weren't off on another assignment about organized crime and drug trafficking, if he were going to get involved in this, He should be checking the work of the people who were doing the work,
Starting point is 00:18:56 and there are a whole bunch of department protocols and provisions that were violated throughout this. But Bruce Orr, he ultimately decides to get extra information out of Christopher Steele after Christopher Steele or his employer, Fusion GPS, had been cut off by the FBI. Why did the FBI decide to no longer listen to Christopher Steele? So he was closed in November of 2016 after the FBI learned of his disclosure to Mother Jones magazine that he had been working with the FBI previously. And we know from the evidence that Senator Cruz went through, there were a whole bunch of subsources that Christopher Steele was summarizing,
Starting point is 00:19:38 and the FBI at that point was believing he might be a credible guy, and they ultimately realized that this is a bunch of BS, and his subsources are saying, I said some of this ingest, and some of it's stuff that I overheard in a bar, none of it is information that I had firsthand knowledge of. So the FBI decides reasonably that Mr. Steele's information isn't credible, right? So they cut him off. Actually, let me just be clear.
Starting point is 00:19:59 That isn't what caused him to cut him off. What caused him to him off is they learned he had talked to the press in Mother Jones magazine. They actually had that other information and didn't tell anybody about it. Okay. So you're disagreeing with me only to say the problems with Mr. Steele are twice as bad as I summarize. I'm just saying that that isn't why they cut him off, right? That's the concern, is that they... So then Bruce Orr, who doesn't have any responsibilities
Starting point is 00:20:22 in this area decides he'll insert himself into the investigation and go get additional information from or about Christopher Steele and the people who are funding Christopher Steele. Can you just remind us, who's Bruce Orr married to? Bruce's spouse, Nellior, had formerly been at the time he started interacting in November 2016 with Steele, had been a former independent contractor for Fusion GPS. So in other words, Bruce Hore decides to insert him. himself into an investigation after the professional agents involved in this investigation said Mr. Steele isn't reputable, isn't credible, and has been talking to the media. So we're now not going to talk to Christopher Steele anymore.
Starting point is 00:21:04 Bruce Orr says, actually I should, and he meets with these people who are funding or who are the employers of Christopher Steele or own his dossier, who's also Bruce Orr's wife's source of confrontation. Had been. Had been. As of, I think, September 2016, she had no longer been a. an independent contractor. And I want to also, I think it's important to be clear because this is relevant again to the significance of some of the inappropriate actions here.
Starting point is 00:21:33 The FBI was not a reluctant participant in this relationship that was the conduit from Bruce Orr, through Bruce Orr to steal as we lay out here. So I just want to be clear. They're not saying we don't want to deal with him. They're saying, oh, yeah, essentially, if you have something, we would love to hear from you. Stop. I want to just... Is that a problem? Because this is only one of the problems.
Starting point is 00:21:59 That's the first one he concentrated on Ben Sass. Is that a problem that the FBI says, no, we can't talk to him, but only because he's talking to the press. Not because they know the information he is given them is inaccurate. They know it. And they don't get rid of him for that. They get rid of him because he's talking to the press. then they say, hey, by the way, I know we're not supposed to be talking to him,
Starting point is 00:22:27 but if you get any information from him, just pass it on through to us. This is the least of the problems. How comfortable are you on this? Mike Lee goes into it with us in just a few minutes. Stand by. Next. You're listening to Glenn Beck. Times are changing,
Starting point is 00:22:52 and these days it seems like they can change a lot faster than used to. We live in a country where right beneath our very noses a significant percentage of people that we have elected to protect our freedoms are trying desperately to trample on them. This hearing yesterday with the IG
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Starting point is 00:24:01 PreparewithGlen.com. That's prepare with glen.com. Coming up, we go deeper into this bizarre case of the FISA warrant. Mike Lee is coming on with us next. Go to blazeTV.com. He's a promo code Glenn and save $10. I want you to listen to yesterday. This is Ben Sass apologizing to Mike Lee.
Starting point is 00:24:41 Listen, I want to just say that I wish Mike Lee weren't sitting here. two people away from me right now because as a national security hawk, I have argued with Mike Lee in the four and a half or five years that I've been in the Senate that stuff just like this couldn't possibly happen at the FBI and at the Department of Justice. So as somebody who is embarrassed on behalf of the FBI about your report, because I believe that it is critically important that we have defies the statute. I think the FISC is an incredibly important court. The approval rating of applications that come before the FISC are off the charts. I don't know the current numbers, but a couple of years ago when I saw them, I think it was 97.9%. Is that a fair?
Starting point is 00:25:22 I think it was the last number I saw was roughly 98%. Okay, so a 98% approval rating of applications that come before the Fisk. Why would it be that high, people would normally say, and I'm not asking you to answer that, I'm saying that the good answer is in an ex parte, I'm not an attorney, but an ex parte proceeding before the court, when you, the American citizen who might, might be being surveilled or be suspected of something that would open a surveillance warrant against you. The assumption would be if you can't be there to defend yourself, it's because the department's lawyers are so super scrupulous that if there's any information that might exonerate you or that might counteract the view that led them to first pursue a theory of the case that had them wanting to surveil you, they would say the bar is so high here will always err on the side of privacy unless we believe there's a good reason to pursue this event. And so Mike Lee has warned me for four and a half years, the potential for abuse in this space is terrible. And I constantly defended the integrity and the professionalism of the Bureau and of the department that you couldn't have something like this happen.
Starting point is 00:26:26 Let's move on from Bruce. Mike Lee is here. I don't want to talk about the conversations that you and Ben Sass had. But I know you're not happy that he had to say that or felt compelled to say, crap, I was wrong. Mike was right. This is not good for America, Mike, at all. That's right. But, you know, yesterday was a big day for the American people, a big win. It was a huge loss for the deep state. You're exactly right. I'm not happy that he had to say that.
Starting point is 00:26:53 He was nonetheless better late than never that we have an acknowledgement of the fact that we've got a big, big problem. By the way, Ben Sass offered to buy me a drink in the same context. And he said, if we were a drinking man, I'd love to take him out and buy him drinks over this. Mike, I don't think you're going to need any help with whiskey if things continue to go down as fast as they are in Washington. The press is making this into no big deal. Forget about the impeachment. Forget about everything else. The Fourth Amendment is gone.
Starting point is 00:27:33 And everyone who said, we can't have these secret courts because they will. abuse it, that's exactly what they're doing. My question to you is, why did the inspector general come out and say that these were inaccuracies? They weren't. They forged documents. This is, this is as bad as it can get. Why didn't they say it that way? It really is bad. And, you know, what this tells us is something very significant. Faced with the facts in this report, the supporters of the spying that occurred on the Trump campaign must admit first either that these FBI agents purposely used the power of the federal government to wage a political war against a presidential candidate they despised,
Starting point is 00:28:25 or that these agents were so incompetent that they somehow allowed a two-bit foreign political operative to weaponize the FISA program into a spying operation on a rival political campaign. Neither conclusion is acceptable. Neither one of these can simply be tolerated by the American people, not for another day. Now, for years, as Ben Sass alluded to, I've raised concerns that this FISA process is ripe for not just abuse like this, but abuse that is this, that's exactly like this, only to be told, just trust us. Don't worry, we've got safeguards in place.
Starting point is 00:29:00 Don't worry, we've got really good people and internal procedures. But the finding contained of the IG report really does prove my point, and they can't get around that. So, Mike, I personally think the entire FISA court should be closed until we know what's going on. And I know that's dangerous for the country, they will say. But this is more dangerous. If we don't get this right, as Ben said yesterday in his testimony, when this gets sophisticated, This was a shoddy attempt. You know, Russia was was clunky.
Starting point is 00:29:38 And when it gets sophisticated, we're all in real trouble. As American citizens, all of us, if they'll do this to a case where they know they're going to be investigated, why don't we shut the FISA court down right now until we get, until we know? Well, this is what caused me yesterday at the hearing to raise the question of whether it's time for us to suspend the FISA program altogether or at least to undertake a major overhaul and perhaps suspend it while we overhaul it. Look, those who argue the other side of this will always say, well, you've got to balance your privacy against your security. and if you give people too much privacy, if you focus too much on things like the Fourth Amendment, you know, that pesky constitutional issue, then we will have diminished security. But you know what, Glenn?
Starting point is 00:30:35 Our privacy is not at odds with our security. Our privacy is part of our security. We are not truly secure unless the Fourth Amendment is honored. We have sown into the seeds of our law. We've sown seeds into our law that will bring about the destruction of the Fourth Amendment. if we allow this to continue. It already has. I mean, this is the destruction of the Fourth Amendment.
Starting point is 00:30:57 This case, as you said, is not like what you warned might happen. It's exactly what you warned will happen, and it's exactly as everyone outlined. And it's even worse than that when you consider the fact that this was a presidential campaign. Yes. These guys knew they were up against a formidable foe. They put some of their best people up on it. What about the cases where the President of the United States or the future President of the United States is not on the target list. What about average American citizen out there who's being
Starting point is 00:31:29 surveilled and doesn't know about it and won't ever find out about it? That person, too, needs to be stood up for. And that's why this is so much worse even than this appears on its face. And Carter Page, he wrote an op-ed yesterday, I think. His life has been ruined. His name is ruined. You know, he will ever, forever be under suspicion in the minds of a lot of people as working with the Russians. And they forged documents to make a FISA court think that he might be. This is what happens when you stand up to the deep state. This is what happens when you've got people inside the government who operate these levers of government control, who text things to each other. Like, we've got to make sure that this guy is an elected president and we've got to
Starting point is 00:32:20 have an insurance policy. We can't take the risk that the American people would be so foolish as to elect someone we don't like. This is the sort of thing that happens. We've known that this was inhuman nature. Federalist 51 tells us that this sort of thing will happen. Madison meant it when he said, if men were angels, they wouldn't need a government. If we had angels to run our government, we wouldn't need rules for government. But we're not angels. We don't have access to angels. And so we had to have rules. We have to stick by those rules. We have to enforce them.
Starting point is 00:32:48 And our laws can't allow them to be circumvented. So, Mike, I heard this morning, I keep hearing back and forth, I heard this morning that the Senate is now thinking that they're not going to call any witnesses. They're just going to move past and just present documents that will move this impeachment forward. Mike, if we are to save the Republic, all of this must come out full light of day and people must be held accountable for all. of it, or we will have no trust in any justice system? Yeah, I think that's a very fair point, and that's probably what's going to end up happening in the Senate trial. A lot of that is going to be left to the discretion of the president's very capable legal team headed by White House counsel, Pat Cipollone, in whom I have a lot of
Starting point is 00:33:34 confidence. He's prepared to go to trial, if necessary, tomorrow. If the impeachment articles were to come over to us tomorrow, he'd be ready to go. I hear both sides. I hear both sides. I hear that sometimes yesterday, I think it was the Trump legal team wanted a full open trial with lots of witnesses. Then the day before I heard that it was McConnell that wanted that and Trump didn't, what's the truth? What do people
Starting point is 00:34:04 which way are we headed? A full open trial that will really expose this? You know, I want to be very careful that I not speak for anyone other than myself. I'll tell you from my vantage point, I can see some advantage in doing a full trial because they haven't had an opportunity to call the witnesses they'd like to cross-examine the witnesses they'd like to cross-examine in the House of Representatives. And that could be helpful to inform the public and bring the public along. The White House Counsel's Office and the President's Defense Team will have to make a judgment call
Starting point is 00:34:38 as we're going through the process about what to do and we get to a situation where if they believe they've got 51 votes to end the proceedings, whether they pull that lever. I'm here to support them regardless of what they do, but there's a part of me that would very much like to see a full trial for the very reasons you're describing. Why? Explain to me a legal reason why you would just want this just quickly brushed under the rug and not expose all that has happened? It's a very simple legal calculation. And again, I'm not saying this is the right thing to do, but if one were to reach that conclusion, if one were making that argument, what one might say was at any moment, if you believe you've got the case one, if you believe
Starting point is 00:35:26 you've got 51 votes to end the proceedings, it might be tempting to pull that lever, even though there are additional gains that can be achieved by having a full trial. My late father was a lawyer. He died about 24 years ago, but he used to tell me when You've won your case in court. You sit down and you don't say another word, lest you upturn the victory you've just achieved. And so that would be the strategy there. But again, there are other considerations here, including the fact that the American people need to hear the whole story. That's why I'm very sympathetic to the view that maybe we ought to just have a full-blown trial.
Starting point is 00:36:00 You know, and Mike, I have to tell you, you know, there's a way of talking to Donald Trump that he relates to and understands. and only he could take this on, make sure American eyeballs are watching it, and he is in the unique position of truly draining the swamp. He becomes one of the greatest presidents in history just based on this one thing. If he exposes the media in this trial, if he exposes the deep state in the state, this trial. If he exposes the DOJ and the way they have used FISA courts, only Donald Trump has been given this opportunity to turn this dirty system inside out. And quite honestly, I don't believe the Democrats survive a five or 10 year period after he does that. I think
Starting point is 00:37:02 they go the way of the wigs after he exposes what they have done. Yeah. It's, That is an outstanding argument and one that I need to communicate to the president next time I talk to him. I know he's being very well advised on this. I talk to him on a regular basis. His attorney talks to him many times a day, and I know he's being briefed on those very arguments, but you raise a very good point for the simple reason that I think we are well past the point where we can be quite assured. They don't have a good case against him. We're going to win this.
Starting point is 00:37:38 Yes. He's not going to be removed. So as long as that's the case, let's turn it into an educational tool. And let him drain the swamp. Let him be the guy who will forever be remembered as setting this corruption in its place and shutting this corruption down at the highest levels, exposing it. This is what people, everybody I talked to that voted for him, they all said, I just, you know, the system is so far broken. he'll just go in and burn the whole thing down.
Starting point is 00:38:09 I thought that was a bad idea at the time, but I see what they're talking about, and that's what his voters want right now. They want him to burn the infection out, and this is the vehicle to do it. Yeah, the American people were starting to see what he saw from the beginning, and what the people intuitively know, which is that American voters for too long have been asked
Starting point is 00:38:34 to put too much faith, an almost religious amount of faith in government. Yes. That's not how it's supposed to work. We put too much faith and therefore too much discretion. It's been weaponized against us. We've got to expose it for what it is. Mike, we're praying for a Christmas miracle.
Starting point is 00:38:48 Thank you so much. Appreciate it. Thank you, Glenn. God bless. Senator Mike Lee. I mean, I just, we need to figure out what's next because, I mean, this, the FISA thing obviously isn't working. I mean, this is a disaster.
Starting point is 00:39:07 I keep coming back to the idea that I just hope and pray that it was political bias. Because if this is the way they do every one of these things, they're in trouble. We are in serious trouble. Serious trouble. All right, simply safe. If we could put an burglar alarm around the Constitution, you know, in all of the amendments,
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Starting point is 00:40:20 You're listening to Glenn Beck. You know, there are people that want us to remain in teams, and it is the most dangerous thing we can do. It's because we play teams now, the press is not covering what the IG actually reported, and it's dangerous to all of us, including members of the press. In fact, maybe more so, quite honestly.
Starting point is 00:41:08 Yeah. And they know it. Nadler wants us to stay in a team. Because listen to what he said right before Clinton's impeachment. There must never be a narrowly voted impeachment or an impeachment substantially supported by one of our major political parties and largely opposed by the other. Such an impeachment would lack the legitimacy and produce divisiveness and bitterness in our politics for years to come. That's Jerry Nadler in 1998. And it did.
Starting point is 00:41:36 And this one is going to do it as well. Now here's Jerry Nadler saying, we must impeach, and it's going to be straight party lines. Straight party lines. What's that going to do to us? You're listening to Glenn Beck. I sat with Stephen Crowder just the other day. We talked about this private conversation, and it is terrifying. You don't know what the new rules are at YouTube.
Starting point is 00:42:17 You only find out if you violate them. All right, let me tell you a little bit about no safe spaces. This is something that is so important for you to go and see. I can't wait to see this one. No safe spaces. You can go to no safesapaces.com. Click theater to find a theater near you. Dennis Prager and Adam Carolla are exposing the attack on free speech and free thought.
Starting point is 00:42:42 It began in universities. It's now affecting our workplace. Social media. this is what Stephen Crowder is talking about. Jordan Peterson is in this. Ben Shapiro is in this. And Coulter, it's a must-see with your family. No-safe spaces.com. Click the theater button to find a theater near you.
Starting point is 00:43:03 The founding fathers put freedom of speech first for a reason. We must teach this to our children. Go see no-safe spaces.com. That's no-safespaces.com. Stephen Crowder yesterday on Blaze TV had a pretty strong warning for all Americans. There was a purge at YouTube yesterday. I think there's another purge still to come. Does anybody like the idea of a purge?
Starting point is 00:43:53 Doesn't that sound a little autocratic, a little like Russia? The YouTube purge that happened yesterday. We'll talk to you about that and what it means to your freedom of speech in one minute. This is the Glymbach program. Christmas is on the way, and of course that means good food, lots of cheer, time spent with the people we love. There's only a couple of weeks left, and Sharmony Christmas and holiday sale is going on,
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Starting point is 00:46:07 And sometimes, you know, I don't know what your bottom is, but I'm afraid of America's bottom. I really am. I'm afraid that until we lose everything, we won't wake up. I got a note in yesterday from a very good friend of mine who I had to fire six years ago. He said, Glenn, how time flies when you're having fun. It was six years ago this past Monday that I began my trip home from the studios in Dallas to my beloved Long Island home.
Starting point is 00:46:48 That was also the 50th anniversary of Kennedy's assassination. I left the parking garage of my apartment in Dallas, a scant half mile from where he was shot. Little did I know at the time, but the old me was about to die and be reborn in many profound ways. I have no idea how I would make the 1500 mile journey home because the day I left your employee until the day I left that garage, I had been drinking 24-7. Those four months were the darkest of my life.
Starting point is 00:47:16 Everything about my life was a lie, and it all came crashing down around me since I lost my last shred of identity, a working professional, helping grow an amazing business. This is a good friend of mine who just all of a sudden didn't make any sense anymore. And I suspected, but he wouldn't, admit and it killed me to let him go.
Starting point is 00:47:50 And I thought there goes a friendship that I'll never see again, never repair again. And we've become good friends again because he was restored to sanity. But he had to have the final push. And things are falling down in your life. And you don't see them necessarily as good things. he writes to me about how someone told him about this this old Chinese tale of the old frontiersman that his horse got loose and ran off to the Hu territory
Starting point is 00:48:37 beyond the Great Wall and the tribes were hostile towards the Chinese so everybody assumed the horse was as good as lost and the horses are very valuable to the people who are living in the frontier so this was a huge financial setback and when people would visit this frontiersman, they would express their sympathy. But the father of the guy who lost the horse didn't.
Starting point is 00:49:03 He just said, who says this can't be some sort of a blessing? Months later, the horse comes back to the stable with a companion, a really beautiful horse of a who breed. and it was as if this frontiersman's wealth had suddenly doubled and everybody came to him and marveled at his luck and they congratulated him but his father didn't have any emotion he just says who says this can't be some sort of misfortune
Starting point is 00:49:36 so his son takes the new horse out for a ride and an accident occurs and he falls from the horse and he breaks his leg again the sympathetic townspeople come and say oh my gosh you had such good fortune and now look at this this is such bad fortune and his father comes to again and says who says this can't be some sort of a blessing a year later
Starting point is 00:50:05 the who people amass and they cross the border into China and everybody who was able-bodied had to go and take up arms in defense and fierce battles ensued heavy casualties nine of the ten men in this guy's
Starting point is 00:50:21 you know a little town died. But he didn't because he couldn't go to war. Because of his leg, he survived the war. We are perceiving troubles as terrible misfortunes. And then we're looking at things that could be terrible misfortunes, and we are looking at them as great fortunes. This Trump thing yesterday with FISA,
Starting point is 00:50:58 this is a great fortune coming our way, finding out this bad news is a great fortune if we decide to do anything about it. But I'm telling you more and more, I am losing more and more faith in our Senate, in our house, in our administration, in the Justice Department, in the FBI, in the Supreme Court, in all branches of this government. Because they're not doing the things they must do. The media is lost. It is lost.
Starting point is 00:51:41 It is beyond not doing its job. It has become truly, truly. And if you don't see this, then you are not looking at things with fair eyes. They have become an enemy of the Constitution. So we have the Constitution. The Fourth Amendment yesterday in the IG report was exposed as being worthless, worthless. That's everything about who you are and your right to privacy and your right not to be spied on and all of it. Everything that we deem fair and just, all of that was proven to be gone
Starting point is 00:52:37 yesterday. And most of the press didn't even take the time to notice. CNN didn't even really cover it. And that doesn't even take into account the loss of your right. to privacy with these giant corporations taking your information. They know more about you than you do, and you don't have a right to look at it or to see how it's even being used or sold. I am telling you, mark my words. By the time this next president's term is over,
Starting point is 00:53:19 if not, within a few years, two years after, the conversation will turn to, do you even have free will? Or are you always being manipulated? I think it will happen in the next term. Because of the information that these corporations have on you and what they can manipulate, what they can twist, and the Constitution does not protect you. It only protects you from government manipulation.
Starting point is 00:53:55 but we are all yawning at the government manipulation. An FBI agent and lawyer took an email and changed the email 180 degrees, one that exonerated the person, changed a line, and put that person into his trouble. Change the line saying, no, he is an informant that works for us. with Russia operatives, and he is working for us to find information on Russia. The lawyer came in and took that and changed it to, he is not an operative, he has nothing to do with us.
Starting point is 00:54:47 You, that's not an inaccuracy. That's a setup. That's a lie. That's, this is, what was his name, Edmund Dumas? The guy who's just trying to do right, and he thinks the police are his friends, literally, friends grew up together, but his friend has a different agenda and sends him away? And he has no trial. He doesn't even know what he's done wrong. We're there. I want to play quickly something that Stephen Crowder said on Blaze TV yesterday. and I'm I'm warning you listen please listen no one in the media is really looking at this the right way Stephen and I had a conversation I went over to his studios what two days ago and we sat down for
Starting point is 00:56:06 probably 45 minutes in a private conversation and I know Stephen he's not afraid of you know really anything he is gravely concerned not just just about his voice being lost. But your voice being lost, listen. The YouTube purge is happening. Let me say that. This is something a lot of people have talked about for a while, December 10th, December 11th, some new policies coming down the pike.
Starting point is 00:56:35 A lot of people have been concerned, ourselves included. It is happening. What we do know, the severity of it is, I believe, more significant than most people. have been led to believe, I believe that many of you will be affected by it. Okay? We do know that this YouTube purge, this new policy, new community guidelines. You know YouTube's been talking about these new anti-harassment, these new guidelines for several months now. Specifically, specifically YouTube, CEO, Susan Wigiski, did mention that these will be occurring in response to the controversy that was generated by this channel over the summer. And certainly,
Starting point is 00:57:19 sorry for the content that we've created and that you've come to enjoy. I don't apologize for that. But obviously my heart goes out to if there are any future conservatives or future independent voices who are affected because some people got their feelings hurt. We will not be silenced. We will not bend to either the left or the right. We will not bend to fascism. We will not bend to communism. We will not bend to communism. We will not bend to the threat of a purge. That word doesn't even belong in American government or American business
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Starting point is 01:00:27 Station ID. Can I ask you, why is CNN running the impeachment debate in the House panel? Why are we covering this without commercials on CNN and full? How is this news? I mean, it is interesting, but you know what they're going to say. They're not going to present anything new. It's not like a hearing. It's just the debate.
Starting point is 01:01:03 So they're not going to present anything new. Everybody, you know what position they're going to take and you know the outcome. Where yesterday, they were presenting new evidence from the IG report. Important new evidence. And they weren't taking it at all. Weren't taking it at all. Is this a real question? Like as to do what's happening here?
Starting point is 01:01:26 I think you know. I guess it's, uh, no, it's. I mean, it's because they think this hurts Trump and they thought yesterday benefited Trump. Is there. That's why. Is there no. Is there no true American left anymore? I mean, because I don't, I don't agree with people who are just like, yeah, get them because they're trying to get Trump.
Starting point is 01:01:48 And Trump could shoot somebody on Fifth Avenue and it'd be okay because of what he's, went through. No, it's not. It's not. I'm not with that person. In this particular case, I think it was disturbing, you know, when he was like, hey, I don't even think it was disturbing. It was just stupid. It was stupid for him to go, hey, and by the way, can you check in to Joe Biden? Don't do that. What are you doing? Okay. But there was nothing illegal and there was nothing wrong with it. And when you find out the real story behind it, it was absolutely in our national interest, period. Yeah, I mean, I don't think any of us would have a question that the Biden's should be looked into. Yeah. You know, how you go about that is important. Obviously, like,
Starting point is 01:02:34 you know, the president should, you know, be cognizant of the way these things turn out and how it would look and, you know, and then that's not just us saying like, oh, well, the PR, he's got to watch his PR. No, I mean, like, it's in the, you know, it's in the government guide of ethics that you're not supposed to make it look like there's even appearance of it, which is one of the big reasons that Joe Biden screwed up. I mean, clearly violated the government code of ethics for employees. But I think here, you know, you have a situation
Starting point is 01:03:00 where looking into these things is completely justified. You know, you just don't, you want to do those things in a way that's not going to cause you the least amount of problems. And that's certainly not the way this was approached. Right. And so I have no problem looking
Starting point is 01:03:16 into when they were looking into Russia. I want to know, did he collude? And if he would have colluded, I would have been for his impeachment. He didn't collude. Did he do something in Ukraine that was only in his self-interest? No. But I would like to turn over every stone, but they won't turn over every stone. They're only turning over half of it. Now, yesterday, you had an independent, you had the inspector general's report. And if it would have been bad for Trump, they would have covered it nonstop. stop. And they did cover the one sentence in the report where it looked like they
Starting point is 01:03:55 wasn't good for Trump. Right. They cover that like crazy. They didn't cover the other 473 pages of it. Right. And that are disturbing. And not even for Donald Trump, but for you, the American people. Oh, yeah. I mean, this movie Richard Jewell is coming out in the next week or two. Have you seen how the press is handling that? Yeah. And that, they're only pissed off about the one journalist, you know. Yeah. But I mean, like, here's a guy who did nothing wrong who, same, was a regular person, Not like, you know, the president of the United States who was railroaded by authorities in a very similar way. And, you know, that was going on then. You kind of thought it was the exception.
Starting point is 01:04:31 But, I mean, if they would do it to a president of the United States, when everybody knows this is going to be looked at afterwards. What kind of— What are they doing to the regular person? What are they doing to Richard Jules of the world? What kind of tool after Obama used the IRS and they get away with this? What kind of tools will be in their hand that they will not care about? You're listening to Glenn Beck. It's not the president.
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Starting point is 01:06:06 Do it now. So is Pete Buttigieg not gay enough? Hmm. That's apparently the new woke challenge. We get into that coming up. Welcome to the program. If you're an old Phil Hendry fan, I think I can legitimately introduce my next guest, Brad Palumbo, as gay man, gay journalist. Welcome to the program, Brad.
Starting point is 01:06:54 Hey, thanks for having me. You bet. You're the deputy contributors editor of the Washington Examiner. We've had you on. You're very reasonable. And this, I think, is the first time that I think we may have a disagreement on something. you are you are backing the fairness for all act and for people I've been watching this for almost a year now and it to me it's disturbing so tell me your point of view on it and let people know what it is
Starting point is 01:07:28 yeah look so my point of view is that I come at this entire debate from the perspective of a person who's a gay libertarian conservative, right? So I believe in both gay rights, but I also believe in religious liberty and the First Amendment. So I'm one of these people that's not trying to force Jack Phillips to bake a cake or chase down Christian schools and force them to employ trans people. But I also don't think that a corporation like McDonald's should be able to fire someone just because they're gay or that a massive apartment complex should be able to evict someone because they're transgender. So that's why I wrote a column in support of the effort from Representative Chris Stewart, from Utah, Utah's second district, I believe, who's actually a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, which is backed his bill, which essentially the Fairness for All Act, it tries to do the same thing that the Equality Act does, which is update the Civil Rights Act to include protections for gay and transgender people. But importantly, unlike the Equality Act, which crushes religious liberty, it has no exceptions.
Starting point is 01:08:31 This bill has very clear carve-outs, in my opinion, that adequately protect religious liberty, but also would add legal protections for LGBT people. So, Brad, when am I going to get protection for being a conservative, straight, old, white guy? And I mean that sincerely. There are many jobs I'm not even considered for. There is no way, and that I'm highly qualified for, but there is no way. Netflix, Amazon would ever, ever hire me, even though I'd make them a ton of money, but they won't do it because I don't fit their message. Yeah, I mean, I think there's a difference, to be honest,
Starting point is 01:09:19 between someone not hiring a person like me or you because we're conservatives. What's the difference? I think there is a difference. Well, I know. What is it, do you think? Well, it's like being gay or transgender is almost a demographic, right? It's not an ideology in the same way. It's like firing – I view it more as like firing someone for being black than firing someone for being Republican. But I do want to say one thing, Glenn, that this bill, the Fairness for All Act,
Starting point is 01:09:43 actually would add some protections for people like you. You know, it goes out of its way to block the crazies like Beto O'Rourke and put into law that federal tax-exempt status can never be denied due to religious beliefs or practices regarding marriage or sexuality. It also includes specific provisions that prohibit the government from targeting or punishing religious individuals. So this act, actually, I spoke with Representative Chris Stewart about it, and he said that part of his motivation for doing this was that he thinks religious liberty is under attack.
Starting point is 01:10:16 And I agree. I agree. So this bill isn't just about LGBT rights. It's also about putting concrete rules for religious liberty in place. Here's my problem, Brad, because I agree with you 100 percent and Chris Stewart. and the backers of this bill, that this does protect religious liberty, but it leaves the door open for everyone else. So, you know, I appreciate the fact that it is protecting religious organizations.
Starting point is 01:10:46 But what about just the idea that I have a guy who's running the front desk and my business, you know, is my business. And the guy decides that he's going to be merry. And he comes to work in a dress. And he's a big guy. And I don't want him at the front desk. Can I fire him? Look, I think if you're running, if you're talking about your church
Starting point is 01:11:15 or you're talking about your Christian bakery, then that's one thing. And you'd be able to. But in a normal role where somebody, it's just a regular business, I don't think you should be able to fire someone because of something like that. Because ultimately it doesn't relate to the job and you're firing them. I mean, it's honestly like I'm sympathetic to this idea that business owners, you know, I'm libertarian leaning, should have wide discretion and latitude.
Starting point is 01:11:39 But I do believe in the Civil Rights Act. I don't believe that someone's right extends to fire someone for being black or fire someone just that they're a woman. And in the same sense, I really don't think that within reasonable exceptions, like this bill lays out, you should be able to fire someone just because you personally disagree with an aspect of who they are. It's interesting, right? Because I think one of the issues I've heard about this bill,
Starting point is 01:12:00 because most, you know, 90% of the stuff I think you're saying here, everyone agrees with, right? Like, I mean, it's hard to argue with. It's ridiculous to throw someone out of their apartment because you don't like, you know, who, you know, who they're interested in. But the, and you mentioned the cake thing, which is interesting. This is when one of the things I've heard pushback on, and maybe the bill deals with this directly.
Starting point is 01:12:22 It does. It says, a lot of people say, okay, religious liberty sort of ends at the church. Yes, we'll protect you inside your church. You can worship however you like. This is sort of the left's approach to these issues. But when it comes out to you being in the public sphere, if you believe something that disagrees with these guidelines, well, you're kind of out of luck. Does the bill deal with that directly? It does.
Starting point is 01:12:45 It does. If I'm correct, Brad, it does. But it's only for companies that have 15 or fewer employees. So the cake guy is fine. But if I have more than 15 employees, I'm not fine. The idea is it's really hard to strike the right balance with these things. It's incredibly difficult. And where do you draw the line?
Starting point is 01:13:06 15, 20, 10. But the idea is that Jack Phillips would be fine, but McDonald's would not be. Right? But the point is you have to have a line somewhere. And it's also, in terms of the public sphere, this bill also specifically sets up a system in which medical professionals are allowed to not provide certain services as long as they provide. I would have looked at it like this. Like you shouldn't be able, if you're a general doctor, to not give someone their vaccines because they're gay.
Starting point is 01:13:33 But you shouldn't be forced to give someone trans hormone therapy if you object to that. So it basically sets up that kind of equal access, but they can deny specific services. So it actually sets up in public life. Except that's what we had at the beginning with abortion. and now it doesn't matter what your religious belief is. I mean, these lines keep getting blurred because we keep making special exceptions. Look, everyone should have exactly the same rights. Everyone, the problem that we entered into with the civil rights movement is blacks didn't have the same rights.
Starting point is 01:14:09 You have to have the same exact right. But you also have to let people be stupid or jerks. You also have to let businesses do what businesses do. Hobby Lobby. If a bunch of militant transgender decided to go en masse to apply at Hobby Lobby. Would Hobby Lobby have to hire them or would they be caught in litigation in any way because they could say they're discriminating? So it actually would depend on how Hobby Lobby is classified. and I don't know that off the top of my head.
Starting point is 01:14:50 If they're classified as a religious nonprofit or a, so if they're just a private business, they're a business. Then if they're just a private business, then they would be bound by anti-discrimination laws. It's interesting because these are obviously tough things to deal with. We know Chris Stewart really well. He's a good friend of the show and he is someone who's honestly trying to deal with these issues in this bill. But it does, I mean, I think you could see this Brad as well. it's going to pop up with some interesting conundrums that are, I don't think the bill itself can solve.
Starting point is 01:15:24 I mean, you know, the intent behind it is because worse things are coming down the pike. And so this is a way to cut off at the pass, pass this, so worse things don't come down the pike. And I understand that. And I even appreciate that. But that doesn't mean you pass bad legislation to stop worse legislation? So I don't agree with you, Glenn. I get your point, but whether, I think for the people facing the conservative movement, the trend of public opinion is that if we have to pass compromise legislation like this, because if not, we're going to be stuck under the Equality Act a decade from now.
Starting point is 01:16:05 When there's a Democrat, next time there's a Democrat Congress, they're going to pass it. We're trending in that way. So honestly, my pitch to social conservatives for this legislation is that we're working with you on this. want it to be fair. We want it to be balanced. It's very complicated, but we're working to make exceptions. Work with us on this legislation. Let's pass something like this because if you don't, unfortunately, the reality is you're going to be stuck under the Equality Act 10 years from now, I would bet. Brad, I don't want to leave this conversation with you thinking anything other than I really respect you. I respect you for coming on and debating this with me, and we're on different
Starting point is 01:16:39 ends of the argument on this one, but I'd like to continue this conversation because maybe I'm just missing something. But as a libertarian, I don't like special rights ever for anyone. It is, it just, it shouldn't be that way. You have a right to live your life. And I mean that as transgender and I mean that as a straight white man. You have a right to rule your life, to be stupid, to be different, to be whatever it is you are. You have that right.
Starting point is 01:17:14 No special rights for anybody. No special rights. Can we get one quick comment out of Brad, though, before you leave? I'm concerned, Brad, that the left is noticing that Pete Buttigieg is not gay enough. And is there an appropriate amount of gay that Pete should be? Do you have any perspective on this? Look, I don't like Pete. He represents none of my policy.
Starting point is 01:17:38 I don't think he's moderate in the slightest. No. But I will say that the woke left makes him look good when they launched this ridiculous attacks against him. You know, the latest one that I think you're referencing is the Budsseek news article. Yeah. That said queer people can never be released until we no longer live in a country powered by capitalism.
Starting point is 01:17:58 And he basically the article criticizes Pete Buttigieg because he gets ahead by acting like a normal person pretty much. And I'm just bad. God forbid he is really a normal person. The bad thing. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, the points of the article seems to be, well, of course they're accepting Pete Buttigieg,
Starting point is 01:18:15 because he's acting like them. A guy who wears a suit and is all buttoned up and talks about marriage all the time. Well, they're not really accepting us. And, you know, this is what you get if all you do is go after gay marriage. You know, it's a really, I felt it was a really insulting argument to the average gay person.
Starting point is 01:18:36 No, it is insulting. And I have to say that we see these things on BuzzFeed and out and the New Republic and all these crazy screens. Those aren't representative. of the guys I play with on my gay soccer league. Like, I'm telling you, the average gay person does not think what the crazy, woke internet people think. All right. Thankfully.
Starting point is 01:18:55 Brad, thank you so much for being on the program. Brad Palumbo. He is Washington Examiner.com. Thanks for being a part of the program. Thank you, Ron. You bet. I want to say something in full disclosure. Wait for a second, Sarah.
Starting point is 01:19:07 I want to say something in full disclosure here. This fairness for all act is really being spiritual. headed by my church, the Church of Jesus Christ to Latter-day Saints, because they are very, very concerned that we are strong on family, strong on marriage, and strong on gender, and we always have been. And they are very concerned about the rights of religious people and religious organizations. And I 100% understand that. and I have met with leaders of my faith on this and talk to them in depth. I disagree with them on this, and I've had to do a lot of praying on this because, you know, I respect them.
Starting point is 01:19:59 And I've come to the conclusion through counsel with many of them that their calling is their calling. Their calling is to protect the church. My calling is to tell you about what's happening in government and the Constitution. And my calling, my feelings on this is this does not protect the average person. It does protect the churches. And if you want to protect the churches and you believe that working together and holding hands with people who are most times shown us to be, wildly dishonest and they are progressive. They take progressive steps. This then would only be a progressive measure. I could be wrong on it, but I will tell you that I have talked to members of
Starting point is 01:20:59 my own faith in all levels of government as well and attorneys and everything else, and it is split, but I will tell you that I truly, it hurts me to say, because I am somebody who believes in unity. I am somebody who believes in coming together, but I believe this to be the wrong path. Enough said. Now, Sarah, I want to tell you about Rectech.
Starting point is 01:21:35 Rectek is this great grill company that I found. Now, you're not going to find these in Home Depot, because if they have them in Home Depot, they're going to cost a lot more money. The reason why RECTech is 80 pounds heavier than its nearest competitor is because all of the money they would have put into, you know, given to Home Depot, they've put into the actual grill. So it's really heavy and solid, just rock solid. And it's the newest technology. You can start your grill, monitor the temperature from an app on your phone.
Starting point is 01:22:12 It's really kind of a community where online, everybody's sharing recipes. It is the future of grilling. I really mean that. When you see one of these things, I want you to go to Home Depot. I want you to look at all the others. Just don't buy it until you've actually looked at a rec tech. At least look at them online. Even online, you can't tell, but just look at them.
Starting point is 01:22:36 When you actually feel one of these things, this ain't going anywhere. It is great. a grill made by grillers, four grillers. RecTech, R-E-C-T-E-C-E-C-Grills.com. That's rectechgrills.com. You're listening to Glenn Beck. What about businesses under this Fairness for All Act? What about businesses like Hooters?
Starting point is 01:23:24 And if you're hiring a girl in a tank top and she decides to come in the next day as a boy in a tank top, I mean, do you get to not let them serve? or a guy who comes in as a girl in a tank top. Yeah, I mean, it's just, it's a very difficult, very difficult thing for people to, uh, to, to, to process. I mean, they are tough lines. There's no doubt about it.
Starting point is 01:23:43 I just, correct. I get nervous whenever government comes to try to swoop in and save us all. It gets, it gets, it gets, like it's icky. Local people sorted out. You're listening to Glenn. I mean, hey, come on. It's like, it's a joke. They get so fired up about this.
Starting point is 01:24:10 It's like, you know, Boris Johnson's doing love actually parodies. Everybody does this. I wonder what's going to happen today. And we should check in overseas and see how that vote if they're starting get any returns yet. Yeah, I don't think that we have any results yet, but it could go either way. It really could go either way. I know.
Starting point is 01:24:24 I heard good arguments on both sides of how this could turn out. It's a very big deal. All right, I want to talk to you a little bit about real estate agents. I trust these are the real estate agents that we have combed the country for. They show a very high sense of urgency. My team responds to every inquiry within minutes, not ours. I mean, at least we try, you know, business hours. Sarah just did this.
Starting point is 01:24:48 Sarah Gonzalez from the News and Why It Matters. She said it was 8 o'clock, and within 10 minutes, somebody was on the phone going, how can I help you? We really try to find the real estate agents in your area that are not only the best, have the best track record for selling homes and buying the right homes, but also go above and beyond the call. And this is my company, and I urge you. If you're looking to buy or sell a home, real estate agents.
Starting point is 01:25:15 I trust.com. Real estate agents. I trust.com. Well, you know, what's really interesting is with all of the news and all of the hype and the horror show that Donald Trump is, why did the press not make a big deal out of the Senate yesterday confirming an openly gay Trump nominee to the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals? kind of a big deal. By the way, did not have the Kamala Harris or Feinstein.
Starting point is 01:26:11 They didn't vote for him. They didn't want to, they never consulted with him. They say he lacks the knowledge and experience necessary for the Ninth Circuit Court. Really? So you're against? Is it really?
Starting point is 01:26:27 Is it that? Or are you against a Filipino gay man? On the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals. We begin there in one minute. This is the Glimbeck program. 83% of us plan on shopping online for holiday gifts this year. But keep in mind, the FBI received nearly 300,000 online theft complaints in 2017 alone. That loss was $1.4 billion to the American people.
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Starting point is 01:28:08 Okay, so this is why the Republicans do not want Donald Trump to have another term. And they're already talking about it openly, that one more term, and you will have two generations of the court before the progressives can really turn things back around. the court system is being fundamentally changed by Barack Obama. I'm sorry, by Donald Trump. He has added so many judges to the federal courts that it is fundamentally transforming it. It really is. The Senate yesterday confirmed President Trump's ninth judicial nominee to the liberal Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals, elevating Patrick Bumete, an openly gay Filipino man to the federal bench over the objection of his liberal home state senators.
Starting point is 01:29:22 They didn't want him. He has worked as an assistant U.S. attorney for the Southern District of California. He cleared the Senate by 53-40 party-line vote. He did not have the support from Feinstein or Harris. they say he lacks the knowledge and experience that is necessary for something like this. He has minimal appellate experience, but he received qualified ratings from the American Bar Association. And that's the association that all the Democrats always say, well, the Bar Association says he's great. Well, they said he was qualified for the job, so what's the problem now?
Starting point is 01:30:03 Why isn't this all over the news? I mean, if you really care about fairness, if you really care of, about gay rights and how society is changing. Wouldn't you say, hey, I got to give this one to Donald Trump. I mean, we've been calling him a guy who hates gays, but he just appointed a gay man, openly gay man, to the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals. Guess we were wrong on that one.
Starting point is 01:30:27 Yeah, and beyond that, I mean, he's been nominating really good judges across the board and not just from the perspective, as you might, you know, expect that we like conservatives. You know, and that's been, he's been pretty solid. on that, but I mean, beyond that, just people who are highly qualified. I thought this was fascinating, and I had not heard this anywhere else. Through the first two years of his presidency, a higher percentage of judges nominated by President Trump received well-qualified ratings from the American Bar Association than any recent president except for George W. Bush.
Starting point is 01:30:59 As of last week, President Trump's 2019 nominees have continued this trend. President Obama has nominated a large number of highly qualified jurists as well. a higher percentage, however, for Trump on well-qualified jurists. So you're talking about like these are people that, you know, you kind of get this idea that Trump is like, oh, he's just, you know, he talked famously about appointing his sister, who actually is qualified, but way too liberal, to these high-level courts. They've gone through and they've said now that a majority of President Trump's judicial nominees have received well-qualified ratings from the ABA.
Starting point is 01:31:38 It's not a conservative organization, obviously. 80% of circuit court nominees and 62% of district court nominees. If anything, this understates the relative qualifications of Trump's judicial picks, as there are reasons to doubt the ABA's assessment of conservative nominees. Indeed, multiple peer review studies have found that the ABA evaluates Republican nominees more critically than Democratic nominees with the equivalent experience, which is not a huge surprise. But they are, you know, they're now saying that not only is Trump nominating pretty good. conservatives, but very highly qualified legal minds, uh, to go and take these roles,
Starting point is 01:32:14 something that you would not have expected if you watch the, uh, if you watch the media. It's just, you know, he's naming whoever, you know, whoever he feels like it. And these are all radical. Basically, he's a bunch of pastors, uh, who it is, you know, this is, this is directly due to, uh, Ted Cruz and Mike Lee. those two are really the two that are guiding this whole federal judge appointment system. And along with a federalist society as well. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, there's lots of people involved.
Starting point is 01:32:47 But in the Senate, it's those guys who are really guiding this thing. And I've talked to several of them, you know, not just those guys, but in other organizations that are saying the same thing. They all say the same thing. you you don't have any idea America has no idea how good Donald Trump has been for the court system that we have a real shot
Starting point is 01:33:15 because it's not just the Supreme Court it is also the federal judges if you can give him another term on federal judges and they are this good you have a chance that justice can be done under the Constitution And I would say this is his cell, right? I mean, the sell for 2020 Donald Trump is judges plus economy, right?
Starting point is 01:33:38 Those two things together are usually enough to win an election. If you have judges that are going to get your base motivated, you know, the fact that they're going back to the Constitution, which is something I think kind of a nice idea. It's a quaint idea to maybe occasionally respect the Constitution. And you add on to that, an economy that's still strong. I mean, the Fed came out two days ago and said they're not going to be. be lowering rates because they still think the economy is strong. As you point out, there are always risks there and there's reasons to be nervous.
Starting point is 01:34:11 But still, I mean, you know, we've had our good run here. And we were seeing economic numbers, you know, with minority groups, unemployment, all over the place that, you know, are exceeding any level we've seen in sometimes, in some cases, 50 years. So is that, I mean, you know, they're going to try and people. impeachment because they don't really know how to attack a president like this. They have to make it about personality. They have to make it about this guy shady or whatever they want to do because going on the
Starting point is 01:34:43 basic merits of a normal election are not going to work particularly well because the structure there is a relative. We're at relative peace compared to where we've been. Yeah. In the last 20 years, you know, it's not. The ISIS is a big, is another big chunk of us. deal. So relative peace, relative prosperity, although everything is on the edge, relative prosperity. And jobs, jobs are fantastic best than in any time in my lifetime.
Starting point is 01:35:14 So what do you do if you're the Democrats? I mean, you got to yell, you know, you certainly, you got to make it about something else. You throw, you know, you tell everybody about Greta and how bad the climate is. Right. You say how mean Donald Trump is. You talk about, you know, talk about Russia and you talk about Ukraine. all these things. I mean, the idea that a presidential election in the United States is going to turn on corruption in the Ukraine,
Starting point is 01:35:37 I mean, most people could not come within a thousand miles of where Ukraine is on a map. If you go to the average person in a mall, which, by the way, there are none left and there's no one in them, but if you happen to find someone walking past a mall and you gave them a map of the world with no labels, are they within a thousand miles of Ukraine if you ask them to name it? No, probably not. No. Let me change subjects here. Transgender New York Times writer has slammed conservatives for not understanding Rudolph the red-nosed reindeer as the queerest holiday special ever.
Starting point is 01:36:10 And I will tell you that Rudolph, every year I watch it with the family, and every year gets worse for me. Every year I'm like, this is a classic. Santa is a jerk in that one. He is a jerk. It's a non-canon Santa. I would say. It's a big time. It really doesn't.
Starting point is 01:36:29 Okay. So, and I have to give this writer the New York Times credit. Hermie the elf is clearly gay. Now, at no point does, why would you, why would you believe that? I just, if you were looking inside yourself, why would you believe that? Are all dentists gay? Is that what you're trying to say?
Starting point is 01:36:48 No, it's just the way, it's just the, it's just the, it's not the way he dresses because he dresses like everybody else. He does. It's not the way he looks because he looks. because he looks like everybody else is just the way he's like, I want to be a dentist. Okay, I, all right, okay, kiss a girl. Go ahead.
Starting point is 01:37:05 Kiss a girl. Can you kiss a girl or do you want to kiss the other elves? My guess is the dentists do pretty well with the ladies. It's a good gig. It's a good stable job. So it's just, maybe it's just me and my family, but we look at her and we're like, I mean, he was clearly. And you accept him for that, right?
Starting point is 01:37:21 I totally accept him for that. I don't mind gay dentists or gay elves. I will say the North Pole, Not so accepting. Not so accepting. Not so accepting. Not at all. But Rudolph is not gay.
Starting point is 01:37:33 Rudolph is just in a very bad family. Yeah, his parents aren't so great in that one either if I remember right. Mom is okay, but she doesn't say anything. She should say to her husband, shut the hell up. Yeah, dad's just like, you know, the typical like little league father that's yelling at his children. Yeah. And then the little league coach is like, okay, all right now, kids. We're not going to play any games with that freak over there.
Starting point is 01:37:56 Yeah, it's bad. And they're really overt about it. Yeah. I mean, it's one thing if you kind of like, I don't know, guys are a little weird, you know, they're just like announcing to the whole class. Ah, you can't do this. You've got a red nose. Right. It's like, wait.
Starting point is 01:38:08 They are. We're not going to play with him, right? Yeah. Yeah, they're really bad. Okay. Okay. So then they also say that there is a whole island. The reason why it's the queerest holiday special ever is because there is a whole island of outcasts.
Starting point is 01:38:24 Well, it has nothing to do with It's not like we have I mean, have we ever In American history Ever sent Gay people to an island? I mean, not that they You know, they've all, you know, not that they've gone
Starting point is 01:38:39 I want to go to the island for the, you know, for the weekend and come back. I mean, sure. Have we ever? Have you ever in history heard of gay islands? I mean, you know, I don't mean it's sound like, you know, because that would be an upgrade from what usually happened back in the old days. I just kill him. He's gay.
Starting point is 01:38:57 Yeah, that was, there was a time, unfortunately. Yeah, no, I mean, we locked up Japanese people, but I don't remember the gay island.
Starting point is 01:39:04 Yeah, I don't remember the gay thing. And, I mean, right now, I mean, if they were all terrorists or, or Islamist, we do have the island of outcasts.
Starting point is 01:39:14 It's called Guantanamo. Not usually having anything to do with preferences. Yeah. And, you know, just because you're a squirt gun that shields jelly. or a cowboy that rides an ostrich or a Charlie in the box.
Starting point is 01:39:32 It doesn't. It's a solid Charlie in the box. Nobody wants a Charlie in the box. That's, I mean, so mean. It really is. It's so mean. It's bullying culture. I think it's the real issue there.
Starting point is 01:39:46 And what's the deal with the lion? Every year I go and fly around the world to find toys that no child loves. Stop by the North Pole. Why don't you? You're flying. You're a flying lion. You don't think Santa,
Starting point is 01:40:05 look at him. Look at the size of him and then look at the fat elf. You don't think Santa's going to listen to the flying lion? Hey, Santa, why don't you try to drop these off from time to time? I think the lion is the problem. He likes having a whole island of misfit toys. He likes it, gives him power. You think it's an Epstein situation or what?
Starting point is 01:40:28 What's going on there? No, he just likes to have... No, he's almost the same story. No, he's like Arafat. You can't make it. You can't make it without me. Ah, Charlie in the box, you know who it is? That damn Santa.
Starting point is 01:40:42 Those damn kids. That's what it is. He just... There's a tax involved. I don't know what it is on the island, but I guarantee you there is a tax and it's an oppressive tax on Charlie in the Boxes.
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Starting point is 01:42:45 It's the chosen app. I have to tell you, I started watching this a few weeks ago. It is the largest crowdfunded, right? Crowdfunded series ever done. the director and the and the producer, the idea guy behind this, thought we'll do it on crowdfunding, and he thought maybe they'd get, you know, maybe $10,000 or whatever. $19 million later, they have the money to produce a really, really good series about the life of Christ.
Starting point is 01:43:27 and it's I think he has seven seasons that he is planning on unveiling there's one season already you just go and download the app the chosen and it's all in normal you know language today's language the people what I love is the people aren't all wearing white and and it's pristine it just in the very first episode in five minutes you will start to smell what it must have smelled like back then I You automatically are like, oh, that's what it was really like. And they are great characters. You will see all of the characters around Christ and how they got there before he shows up. And then when he shows up, the impact that he made, it's really, really an accessible series and really, really well done.
Starting point is 01:44:25 You'll really, I think you'll love this. And they've done it so it's free to you. Somebody else is paid for your first episode and you can then pass it on. You don't have to. You could watch all the episodes and never pay a dime. But they ask that if you like it and you want to pass it on to a friend, just make a donation. And I buy this series. I mean, this is a series that I'd easily, you know, what is a series of 10 usually costed Apple?
Starting point is 01:44:54 like 20 or 30 bucks to make HD yeah yeah i mean i'd easily spend that on this this is a really good series and something that would be good to watch i think there are eight episodes out the first season is out eight or ten episodes uh the first season is out and um and it takes you through the new testament and um it'd be something great for the family to watch while you're on vacation together uh i really like it just go to the app store and just get the chosen app and you can start watching it right now. Really good. We have the guy whose idea this was and the director,
Starting point is 01:45:31 and he's actually comes from a famous family, and we'll talk to him coming up in just a second. Okay, so America's favorite Christmas film. What is it? I have three movies I watch every year. Yes. Christmas vacation? Yes.
Starting point is 01:45:49 Elf. Not on the top five. No? Elf. Surprisingly not on the top five. Wow. and a Christmas story. Number one.
Starting point is 01:45:57 All right. Number one. Number one. I would have said it's a wonderful life. Okay. And a Christmas story. Wonderful life is number three. Number two is a Charlie Brown Christmas,
Starting point is 01:46:08 which, I mean, I like it. I do see it every year too. Yeah. Planes, trains, and automobiles is number four. Really? Yeah, that's one. We watch every Thanksgiving. That is...
Starting point is 01:46:19 It's a Thanksgiving movie, not a Christmas movie. It's a Thanksgiving. But it still works at Christmas, I just love it. And Home Alone is number five. Elf isn't even on the top five. That's surprising. Shocking.
Starting point is 01:46:31 Yeah, I feel like that's the most recent classic. He was so good in that. I mean, he was perfect, just perfect as an elf. So we'll talk about that probably a little later next week when we get closer. Because I have a few problems with holiday movies. Yeah. Surprise, surprise. You're at the Grinch.
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Starting point is 01:48:12 Glenn, Stephen Crowder, Mark Levin, many, many more available at blaztv.com. You can use the promo code Glenn, get access to all their stuff for 10 bucks off. Dallas Jenkins is the son of the left behind author Jerry Jenkins, who the Left Behind series was so game-changing for so many people. First of all, how's your dad? He's great and said to say hi. I know you had him on several years ago. Yeah, I love him. I just love him.
Starting point is 01:48:58 You have done all kinds of films. You have, you know, you've worked for all the, you know, big name companies producing films. I think 17 films under your belt. Somewhere in that neighborhood. Yeah. And this one is different. This is the, it may not be the first crowdfunded, but it's the largest crowdfunded movie or series. Yeah. Media project.
Starting point is 01:49:22 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Tell me about what it is and how it started. Well, first of all, I want to say, I've been for over a year and a half been saying, I've got to get this to Glenn Beck somehow. Because I think the whole thing is right up your alley because it's disruptive. And that's something that I think you set a good example for with this whole thing, the show and the network and all that. That's what we're trying to do.
Starting point is 01:49:42 The Chosen is the first ever multi-season series about the Life of Christ. So there's been movies, there's been mini-series, but there's never actually been a multi-season show where you can take the time to get to know the characters, to get to know the stories, dig deeper into the backstories of these stories from the Gospels. And it started from a short film that I did for my church as Christmas Eve service. 20-minute short film, that's all it was intended to be was for my church. And very long story short, and ended up going on on social media,
Starting point is 01:50:11 went viral and became the tool that inspired people to want to raise over, we ended up getting over $10 million from over 19,000 people around the world. You know, it's amazing. I've only seen one episode so far, but it is, I'm always skeptical of Jesus films and all of that, yeah, and I can tell that because this is the opposite of all those. This is real. It's digestible. It's not cheesy at all.
Starting point is 01:50:46 You know, it's one of those things where I could watch it with a friend who's not a Jesus person. And they'd go, that was really good. Yeah. And that's because it was inspired by shows that I love to watch. So I binge watch shows of my wife all the time. And I've always said that the stories of the Gospels deserve a great, great storytelling. I mean, and yet, so I've seen every Jesus movie done. some of them are good, some of them are not great.
Starting point is 01:51:11 They all tend to be pretty formal. There tends to be this emotional distance between the viewer and Jesus, partially because these stories tend to go from miracle to miracle, Bible verse to Bible verse. You never get a chance to engage with the people that Jesus encountered. And then quite frankly, a lot of times the performances are so stiff and formal. You kind of wonder what made Jesus so charismatic that so many people followed him. They seem to miss out on the joy, the humor, no doubt, the charisma that Jesus had to
Starting point is 01:51:39 have for that many people to want to follow him. I really love the old Jesus movies because he always had a British accent, too. Yes, he's a long hair, blue-eyed, British accent. Well, I don't know. Should we have fish tonight? Yes, and they spoke in King James English. It never seemed to make sense. I'm like, that's not a guy I would really be excited.
Starting point is 01:51:54 Right, right. So tell me about the storyline. Yeah. So we start with some of the main characters. I don't like to call them characters. They're people, but we went and chose some of the people in the, the Gospels who had a really interesting arc, the kind of story that could sustain itself over the course of several seasons. So we've got Matthew the tax collector, someone who was hated
Starting point is 01:52:18 by the Jews for betraying his people by being a tax collector, disrespected by the Romans for being Jewish. Got Nicodemus, a guy who was a top religious leader who yet never really came publicly out as a follower of Christ. Simon Peter, his brother Andrew. We see these people before they encountered Christ. And I think that's what makes the show a little bit different, that you're seeing them before they encountered Christ, and we believe, I think this is one of our mottoes, if you can see Jesus through the eyes of those who actually met him, you can be impacted in the same way they were.
Starting point is 01:52:49 And there's someone, including Mary Magdalene, who on one end of the spectrum was demon-possessed before she encountered Christ, to Nicodemus, a religious leader, there's someone for the viewer to identify with. And so when Jesus comes into the picture, the encounters are that much more impactful and emotional. I don't know who can relate to the demon-possess.
Starting point is 01:53:09 but maybe you run in different circles. I personally can't. Tell that somebody, everybody can remember you. Well, but they can relate to the pain. Yes. And again, it's not glossed over. It's not a show that it's not like when I was growing up on Sunday school, for example, we were taught about Jesus on flanagraphs,
Starting point is 01:53:26 and he was this, you know, dressed in blue and everything was pretty. And right away, right off the bat in this episode, episode one, and throughout this first season, we get right into the dirt. I mean, we want you to feel like you can. smell the dust and the air should feel real. It has always driven me nuts that, I mean, the last color Jesus probably would have worn is white. Right. Because it would always look dirty, you know? And nobody ever looks dirty in anything. Right. And you, what the smell must have been like back of the time, what people look like back of the time. It's just not, it's not real. And they were
Starting point is 01:54:07 desperate, the Jewish people at that time were so oppressed and had been for centuries that their desperation for the Messiah was palpable. It was daily. I mean, they were, they were literally every day wondering when they were going to get respite and rescue. And that's what Jesus came into was, we call this the before. And Jesus comes into the before even today. And that's what we're, that's, I think, what this show is about. It's about the before. And so we introduce you to characters and people who, including miracle recipients throughout other episodes, such as the leper who was healed by Jesus or the paralytic who was lowered through the roof. When we portray these miracles, we're showing you not only the miracle itself, but the impact of the miracle had.
Starting point is 01:54:48 And that's something that I think is oftentimes missing that we're really trying to capture. So did you use, I mean, the only real historic account of Jesus, if you dismiss the Bible and all of that stuff. The only one outside observer would be Joseph. in antiquities, the Jewish antiquities. And he describes Christ as one of these rebels that came down. And so there were lots of people that were living in the hills, claiming to be the Messiah at the time. Do you address any of that? Yeah.
Starting point is 01:55:25 So, in fact, right off the bat, with episode one, we talk about the Romans and Nicodemus, the Pharisee. There was kind of this unspoken connection between the Romans and the Romans and the Romans. the religious leaders because they were both trying to get peace. They both wanted peace. They wanted behavior. And there were preachers around that time being, they were, they were crazy people. And that's why even when John the Baptist came along, people were dismissing him. He's yet another person trying to upset the apple cart.
Starting point is 01:55:54 When Jesus came along, this time, claiming to be the son of God and then actually performing miracles, that's when things started to get different. That's when eyebrows started to get raised. And the people really started to congregate around Jesus because John the Baptist, had been arising some support, and then he handed off the baton and said, this is the guy. This is the guy you've been waiting for. He's not the fake one. He's the real one.
Starting point is 01:56:16 And it scared a lot of people, but it also excited a lot of people. So what Jesus brought, I mean, you mentioned it, you know, he was a bit of a rebel. That's, again, what kind of were attempting to capture in the show. And then that's the whole point of the show and how it was financed, how we're distributing it, the whole thing. So talk to me about that, because I remember when we started the, network. It was us and Major League Baseball. And I think, I think HBO started right after us. Right. There was nothing online. We had buffering speed problems. And now the world has changed.
Starting point is 01:56:56 This could not have been made even 10 years ago. Right. It wouldn't have been shown anywhere. It wouldn't have had any place to watch it. Right. So what does it mean to, uh, to filmmakers, to storytellers, to the audience, what you've done to disrupt. Yeah, I mean, that's a great question. We are, you know, there's a verse in Isaiah, Isaiah 4319 says, behold, I am doing a new thing. And that's also a motto for us is the way it was financed is new.
Starting point is 01:57:28 Not that we're the first crowdfunded, but we're the number one highest crowdfunding. The content is new. It's a first ever multi-season show. the app that this is on now. We have an app. It's called The Chosen. It's aptly named.
Starting point is 01:57:44 And if you download the app, it's free, it's easy to do. It's the first ever app that allows you to watch a show on any one of your devices without a subscription. So if you have a Roku, Apple TV, Fire Stick, Chromecast, anything, you can literally click the button on your phone, essentially hijack that device. You could be watching the show within minutes with no subscription. It doesn't cost anything. And so... And then you have, what, five episodes out? How do you...
Starting point is 01:58:12 Are you going to make all of them free? Or do you... Yeah, so the first eight episodes, the complete season one, is now there on the app. And it's a long story of how people around the world can watch it, because you may have discovered this because you're a streaming network too,
Starting point is 01:58:28 but around the world, every time someone streams an episode of our show, we have to pay for it. It's not free. Right. So if we just all of a sudden made it completely free around the world today, we would lose millions of dollars. Oh, yeah. Streaming. People don't understand.
Starting point is 01:58:44 Right. People don't know that. I didn't know that. I do. It's really expensive. It's really expensive. That's why people are like, don't give the subscription to everybody. Right. Because the more you're pumping out, more people watching, it becomes very expensive quickly. Right. So but our investors and our viewers who've seen the episodes and have freaked out about their most common comment is how do we get this to others we they want this to go to the world so we've told them if you want this around the world you're going to have to help us and so when people
Starting point is 01:59:13 buy an episode or watch an episode i shouldn't say bye when they watch an episode we tell them this was paid for you by someone else and that person can then choose to pay it forward so we've got this pay it forward idea where viewers can help people around the world see this for free and so when they do that when they're supporting the show by by purchasing episodes for others they're also allowing us to do future episodes and seasons how many seasons do you have in your head seven or eight probably I mean we want to tell the story so I mean and it sounds crazy we believe that over the course of the next six seven years we're going to need to raise about a hundred million dollars and that sounds ridiculous but no if it's if it's as good as it appears to be in the first season right and you can
Starting point is 01:59:57 keep this pace I don't think that's well the first season based on on a short film I did for my church that I shot, it was about the birth of Christ from the perspective of the shepherds and I shot it on my friend's farm in Illinois, raised $10 million from 19,000 people. It seems like, again, like you said, the pacing is such that we can pull this off. Yeah, yeah. I just got tired of waiting for Hollywood to lower its scepter to allow me into their hollowed halls. I mean, I don't have to anymore. Yeah, you can just go directly to the people. No, I remember two, three years ago, even, I went to Hollywood to pitch. and went to Amazon and everybody else.
Starting point is 02:00:35 It doesn't matter. Right. You know, those gates were still there. Right. Those gates aren't here anymore. Right. And you had a lot to do with breaking that down. So I've, you know, I really appreciate that because I think you had this attitude of,
Starting point is 02:00:48 I want to be able to say what I want. Yeah. I want to be able to do it in the way that I want. So I'm just going to. And it starts off rough. There's growing pains for sure. I don't know if you know about that. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:00:58 And we were on the, not the leading edge. We were on the bleeding edge. But you opened the doors for a lot of people, and that's what we're hoping to do as well. But for now, we're just concentrating on getting this show as many people around the world as possible, and we're figuring out along the way, how can we do that without going bankrupt?
Starting point is 02:01:16 And we've found that people, when they see the show, are so hungry for it. And the comment we get over and over and over again is I've never seen anything like this. In fact, Johnny Erickson Tata, who's a well-known author and speaker, she said, thank you for telling the old, old story, which is a phrase from a hymn in an impossibly fresh way. And that was one of the most
Starting point is 02:01:36 meaningful compliments I've ever received because I've heard these stories hundreds of times. And I want, I'm not changing them, but I do want to tell them in a way that feels fresh and it feels like for people especially who maybe haven't grown up in church, but who can see these stories and feel like, that's a Jesus I would want to know. These are people I would want to know. This is a story I want to watch. And there's not much out there. You know, you've got shows like Game of Thrones, Stranger Things, all these shows. that people's binge watch, we wanted something that people could have watch parties for and binge watch about Christ.
Starting point is 02:02:06 I think that's great. I think it's great. All right, here's what I want you to do. I want you to go to the Apple App Store right now, and I want you to download the Chosen app. It's free. You can download it right now. You'll be watching the episodes after this show is over. You can watch the episode.
Starting point is 02:02:26 Others, you know, that might be, you know, wanting to watch it right now. you'll be able to watch it in about a minute. Yes. So it's the chosen, and you'll find that in the app store, download it and support. Thank you so much. Thanks, Glenn. Appreciate it. You have me on.
Starting point is 02:02:40 You really have to make it to the third episode when you see Christ, I think a second or third episode, with children. It is, first of all, it doesn't look like the Christ that, like, everybody always shows. But when you see him with children, you're like, that is absolutely the way he would. would be, absolutely the way he would be. It's just such a great series. Check it out with your family, The Chosen. All right. Clock has taken Christmas
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