The Glenn Beck Program - 'Principles Over Personalities'? (David French joins Glenn) - 3/1/18
Episode Date: March 1, 2018Hour 1 ‘Take the guns first, go through due process second’...Huh?...What is President Trump talking about?...he's making President Obama look like Calvin Coolidge...just appeasing Democrats? ......Senior fellow at the National Review Institute, author and constitutionalist David French joins the show to discuss President Trump’s shocking comments on big government and guns…David French reaching out to the other side?...what critics don't understand about the gun culture ... ‘to reach out,’ we must start listening…We need to start believing in each other again… ‘if we don’t have the Constitution, we have nothing’ Hour 2 Hope Hicks had enough?...Resignation a day after admitting to ‘white lies’...did she do the right thing?...President Trump tells senators they're afraid of the NRA…of all people, he calls out Pat Toomey??...he doesn’t seem to be aware of the past five years of the gun debate... ‘I like taking guns early’... President Trump is sounding more Republican today than yesterday ...Glenn talks to passionate callers about President Trump's latest comments on 'gun control'…a caller thinks we need ‘people control,’ psych exams before buying a gun?...Glenn: Here’s why 2A is the ‘strongest right’… caller reminds people what a ‘right’ is Hour 3 Trump calls out Jeff Sessions...Again!...their on-and-off rocky relationship just got rockier...Jeff Sessions = Trump’s Punching Bag…ever since he recused himself from Russia investigation ...Great News from Operation Underground Railroad and the Nazarene Fund?...the Australian people have been amazingly helpful...You can help, too: Go to thenazarenefund.org and give ...Kellyanne Conway gets grilled over President Trump’s comments on ‘taking away guns’...denies he is going after the 2nd Amendment ...Trump Administration Defense: Don't listen to anything he says ...Did Charlie Brown's teacher just call in?...cases where gov’t decides who does and doesn’t have rights never end well The Glenn Beck Program with Glenn Beck and Stu Burguiere, Weekdays 9am–12pm ET on TheBlaze Radio Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Glenn Beck.
I cannot wait to talk to you today.
I want to take, we have a couple of guests.
I have David French joining us here in a second.
I want to hear from you today.
Do you feel a little manipulated, betrayed, used?
You think this is some grand master strategy?
What, how are you feeling today?
If you're a fan of both President Trump and the Second Amendment, how you feeling?
I'm sure the NRA feels a little used.
Yesterday, the president set down with congressional Democrats and Republicans
to discuss ideas on how to prevent more mass shootings,
something we should be doing.
But how do we describe this other than an absolute constitutional nightmare?
Trump took an extreme, just an extreme hard left.
against the second, the fifth, the 14th, and I believe the fourth amendment.
I mean, this is what we expected from other presidents, from the last president, right?
That's what we expected.
He didn't do it.
In fact, what happened yesterday made President Obama look like Calvin Coolidge.
This is an actual quote from the meeting.
take the guns first, then go through due process second.
End quote.
The president then proceeded to dump on the NRA, shoot down any idea of national concealed carry
repercocity.
Reparcese say it for me.
Reciprocity.
How did I ever get on the radio?
I have no idea.
No one else does either.
If you're a gun owner or if you're a fan of the Constitution, this was the worst thing
you would expect a U.S. President to say.
Again, we expected this from Obama,
but never expecting him to say it out loud in public,
this guy did.
And the reason why President Obama would have never said this in public
if he believed that is because he knew every single person
in the conservative media, every Republican,
many NRA members who are Democrats,
would have called for his impeachment.
Oh, let's just skip due process.
Um, let's see.
Mussolini comes to mind.
China comes to mind.
Where else do we have this system?
North Korea has a good system.
Well, I'll just forget about due process.
Now, here's the thing.
Some people believe and some people are making excuses.
Some people are saying, yeah, but he was talking about the mentally ill.
Okay.
Do you remember when we all went to Batford?
for the president when the headlines in the New York Times said things like,
Trump just made it easier for mentally ill people to buy guns.
No, no, that's not what happened.
What they were referring to was an Obama-era regulation mandating
that people receiving disability payments from Social Security,
which doesn't make you mentally ill,
or receiving assistance to manage their benefits,
their benefits, not their checkbook, their benefits,
would have been reported to the federal gun background check system.
It locked out tens of thousands of people, elderly people, from buying guns, not based on their mental capacity, but on the basis of being classified by the government in a certain way.
Now, I don't think that was the original intent, but you can see how handling the issue of who is mentally ill and who isn't is a very slippery slope.
Mike Pence yesterday was right.
We have to figure this issue out.
nobody wants guns in the hands of mentally ill people nobody everybody that i know every nr a member
that i know thinks that the sheriff should have taken the guns away i don't know maybe on the
third call we have to figure this out but eliminating due process and neutering the constitution
is not the way to do it you can't seize someone's
property. You are guaranteed due process. Well, it takes a long time. That's the point. So we just
aren't a lynch mob. Forget for just a second that this is all about guns. Replace guns with
literally any other issue and read back the words. Take action first and then go through due process
second. Throw him in jail. We all know he's going to murder.
that's not who we are.
That's how tyranny is born.
I guess the good news here is
that Trump has said
just bat, crap, crazy things in the past.
Oh, I want a clean DACA bill, but it never materialized.
So either Trump is pulling off some extreme master negotiating strategy,
combining the art of war with his own book, The Art of the Deal.
or he doesn't know what he's talking about.
And his gut reaction is not based in the Constitution.
He was giving Democrats in the room what they wanted to hear.
Either way, whether he's playing, I saw this online last night,
he's playing four-dimensional chess.
Please, please.
We're not going to see anything come of this,
but this should be a huge red flag.
if Obama would have said this,
we would have been organizing ourselves in the streets.
We either stand for the Constitution,
stand by the rule of law, or we do not.
We either call people out when they are wrong,
no matter what side they're on,
or we have no principles.
So you know, the Second Amendment is not going anywhere.
But everybody should be calling the president out
this today. Support him when he is right, but call him out when he is wrong. And yesterday,
he was very, very, very wrong. It's Thursday, March 1st. You're listening to the Glenn Beck program.
David French, who is a senior fellow of the National Review, is joining us now. Hello, David. How are
you? I'm good. How are you doing? Well, I've been better. I've been better.
I've been better. Yesterday had to come as kind of a surprise to you because you're a guy who is
authoring some of the bills they were talking about yesterday.
Well, yesterday, it was one of those moments when somebody takes an idea that you've been talking
about, twists it, distorts it, misstates it in such a grotesque way that it's
unrecognizable. It was really an amazing moment.
But so you had Mike Pence talking about in a very responsible and sane and sober way,
this concept of a gun violence restraining order, which allows people to seek an order from a court
and with due process, with a hearing, when someone is exhibiting dangerous behavior to allow a
temporary seizure of their guns when there's red flags.
And in the vast, vast majority of these mass shootings, there have been a very serious behavior.
there have been red flags, and a lot of times people haven't had the tools to do anything about it.
Right, right.
This changes that.
And then Trump stepped in and said, no, no, no, no, take the guns first, then do process.
And you just, you know.
He did say, he said, you know, there is a different system.
Take the guns first and then do process.
And I believe that system is fascism, authoritarianism, totalitarianism.
communism. I mean, there is another system, David.
Right. Yeah, yeah. I mean, well, you know, his views on due process are really interesting.
So if you're a credibly accused wife beater in the White House, we'll then due process.
But if you're a law-abiding gun owner, then no due process. So it's a very strange system,
a very strange strain of constitutional thinking there.
But, yeah, look, the bottom line is he's not drafting a bill.
He's not proposing the bill.
He doesn't really know about any of this in any detail.
I mean, when he was saying that Toomey was afraid of the NRA,
it shows you have no idea.
You have no idea.
Yeah.
Well, you know, the thing that was stunning to me about you,
Well, you know, I am on record many times for having low expectations this president.
But he underperformed even my low expectations yesterday.
And the reason is that the NRA has been probably his most loyal conservative friend.
The NRA has been relentless for him.
A lot of people have criticized the NRA for taking a perceived turn towards Trumpism,
where they're, you know, putting the president as much as they're promoting their, you know, the Second Amendment.
And so the N.A. has been ferociously loyal to Trump. And yesterday, he not only said, hey, take the guns first. He process second. He essentially said no concealed carry reciprocity. He made fun of a senator for being in the pocket of the NRA or being scared of the NRA. And then he for him the idea of an assault weapons ban, all in the space of about 30 minutes.
And my jaw hit the floor.
It was, you know, it was an amazing thing to see.
So, David, the, a lot of people will say, nothing's going to come of this, so don't worry.
This was so jaw-dropping that, I mean, I've said this for years long before Donald Trump,
you have to have a guy in the Oval Office whose natural first instinct is constitutional.
That is that it is freedom-based.
For instance, when you have a problem, you know who also didn't get due process,
the Japanese as they were put onto a bus for an internment camp.
I mean, when there is a trouble, when there's trouble, and you are not based in the Constitution,
that is a moment that could go horribly awry as it has in the past here in America.
when the president says, well, I'm not really afraid of the NRA,
I don't think in 2021, he'll be afraid of anybody.
And if we have trouble, this is a giant red flag.
Right.
And so not only is it a red flag on pure policy grounds,
in other words, how does the president exercise the powers of his office?
It's also, look, the bully pulpit.
matters. You know, this is a novel theory on the part of the many parts of the
conservative public that what the president says doesn't really matter, which is just a
rationalization and an excuse. The bully pulpit matters. When you're talking about the
person with perhaps the greatest public platform in the world, and they're indifferent at
best to the Constitution. They're obviously here, seem to really not care about the Second Amendment all
that much. Those things matter, especially when the other side is locked in. I mean, the other side is
locked in on messaging. It is locked in, has extraordinary party discipline right now. I believe it was
what, 156 of the 193 members of Congress signed on, Democratic members of Congress signed on to the
assault weapons ban legislation that was just introduced.
So the other side is focused and locked in.
And, you know, when the bully pulpit is occupied by somebody who is not as focused, focused, not as locked in, and apparently indifferent to core constitutional values, that's a problem.
We want to talk to, we're talking to David French.
We want to talk to him about a story that he wrote in the Atlantic.
What critics don't understand about the gun culture.
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Glenn Beck.
David French, who has just written a article for the Atlantic,
what critics don't understand about the gun culture.
And he really tried to reach out to the other side
and say, look, I know there are people that don't understand guns or the gun culture.
Let me try to demystify this a little bit so you can at least understand the other side.
David, can you take us through this rather quickly?
Yeah, absolutely.
So what I wanted to do was talk to folks, the Atlantic readers are mainly progressives,
and I wanted to walk them through how a person enters gun culture and how it begins often with an actual threat
or a perceived threat where you realize that the police can't protect your family in time
and how actually walking through that process of buying a gun, learning to use the gun,
going to concealed carry permit class, getting training, actually brings you into a new community
of folks and also changes your outlook on life in a significant and a positive way.
And so I wanted people to understand that this isn't a product of like NRA lobbying or congressional
actions. It's a product of people's lived experience and how they respond to threats to their safety
and their family's safety. I just wanted to connect people with sort of the real story of people's
lives. Yeah, you know, I just had a friend of mine say yesterday. Glenn, I mean, I'm not worried
about my family and I don't, it's just not part of anything. I don't worry about any of this.
Well, some of us do. And some people, mainly Hollywood and people like me have
the money to be able to have an armed security guy with him the whole time.
But that's not the average person.
I mean, my daughter, you know, if she had a stalker, she would want a gun.
And I will tell you this, I am somebody who felt I was not responsible enough to own a
gun, what, 20 years ago.
And I had to, you know, I had to have serious threats in my life.
and the gun was the last step that I took myself,
and then I really took it seriously and became responsible enough to own a gun.
And, you know, I know everybody isn't like that, but they should be.
And in your article, you point out that we were, as gun owners,
were horrified by the killer in, you know, at the high school having these guns
and all of the warning flags and the system failed.
and we were horrified here in Texas when the system failed.
Right.
Right, exactly.
You know, there's this perception odd, strange.
I mean, how evil do you think your fellow citizens have to be to believe that you're indifferent to what happened in Texas?
But you get that rhetoric all the time that people who belong to the NLA have blood on their hands,
that they belong to a terrorist organization.
And the fact of the matter is, as I related in my piece, I'm not somebody who can afford armed security.
around my family. A guy came to our house. He blocked our driveway. He walked straight up to my
wife and kids when they were in the backyard, and I was, and the police and I were many minutes away
demanding to see me. He had this oddly, had an empty holster at his hip. He was, he had just been
driving slowly through my kid's school. I mean, this is, so this thing, this kind of thing
focuses the mind pretty, uh, pretty intense, intensely. And, and that's what, you know,
It's those kinds of things.
And look, you know, there's a lot of people who are not in the public square who are not out there tweeting and writing and doing TV appearances that, you know, maybe it's an ex-boyfriend.
Maybe it's they live in a dangerous part of town.
Maybe, you know, there's a lot of reasons why people quite reasonably say, you know, when the police can't be there instantly and the police can't be there everywhere, I kind of need a first line of defense.
So that is not unreasonable at all.
I've got about 45 seconds here, David.
Can you tell me, what is the response been from those who read this?
I would say overwhelmingly positive.
Of course, some people have been very angry.
One person said it was like white privilege on steroids, something like that.
Whatever.
Yeah, but overwhelmingly positive, not so much that they say, oh, I want to join, you know, I want to go buy a gun.
But it's okay, I get this.
That's all we have to do.
And look, we're never going to convince, nor do I think we have to really make the effort to go after the most staunch, you know, people who are against it.
Because they're never going to change their mind.
But we have to try to reach people so they at least hear the reasonable, rational argument on the other side.
And we can learn from them.
They can learn from us.
And maybe we can pursue, you know, truly common sense things.
that will protect our families and protect our children in school.
David French, thank you so much.
Appreciate it.
Thank you.
Glenn Beck, Mercury.
You're listening to the Glenn Beck program.
You know, to be able to advance, we need to reach out to each other.
I, you know, talking to David French,
David French has not changed a single point of view of his in his principles.
He's a constitutionalist.
He's a small government freedom guy.
And he's getting heat from some people for reaching out just like I get heat.
Look at what he's just done.
He's tried to frame and tried to reach out to reasonable people.
Now, people would say, well, the Atlantic, that's not reasonable.
Well, maybe the Atlantic isn't.
I don't know the people at the Atlantic.
But perhaps some of the readers are.
We must change our thinking.
We are not believing in anyone.
We don't believe in anyone, let alone people on our own side.
I don't believe in anybody anymore.
I don't have faith in anybody anymore.
well we we have to have faith in our neighbors and and we either believe that there is no one on
the other side that actually cares about rights that actually cares about the Constitution
and the country and the founders we either believe that there is no one on the other side
that believes that and that leads us to what
to where does that lead us?
A split country?
How do you win with that?
Extermination camps?
We either believe that
and that doesn't lead any place good
or we believe that you know what?
There's a lot of misguided people out there.
There's a lot of people that I don't understand.
There's a lot of people that probably agree with me
but I haven't talked to them.
or, you know, and on top of that, there's maybe 20%, 10%, 20%, that just really do not care about the country.
You know, when you're talking about the left and the right, I think there's 10%, but let's be really pessimistic.
There's 20% on both sides that don't care about the Constitution.
They only care about winning their way.
they take totalitarianism if that's what it takes.
I don't believe there's 40% of America that believes that, but let's just say, that leaves
60% of us who are now watching this cartoon and saying, this is ridiculous.
This is what, what, we, there's common sense things we can do to protect our children.
And you know what?
One of them is to make sure that crazy people don't have guns.
So we could do due process and do what the Americans always do.
And that is, hey, if family members think that there is a problem, you can go to court and have their guns temporarily taken away because there's a problem.
There's domestic abuse, abuse, or there's a situation like there was in Florida.
And you can go to court and say, look, we believe this guy is a danger to himself and to others.
We need to make sure he has no access to guns that he does not.
have guns.
And then the court says, okay, for six months or whatever it is, yes, then you have to come back
and renew it.
Otherwise, his guns come back.
That's called due process.
I believe everybody would be for something like that.
The devil is in the details, but work reasonable.
But how are you going to get there if we're just yelling at each other?
if we're not trying to reach out.
Do you want to live in a world where you believe the worst of the other side?
Think of this with us.
Stop thinking about, yeah, but, just think about this with us.
Are you the person they describe on television?
Because I'm not, and I don't think you are either.
So why do we believe that they're the ones that we hear people,
describe on television as well. I just want to read a couple of comments that came in because I read a
letter yesterday on the air from a guy who said, look, I don't agree with you at all, but you've given
me hope that this can go beyond politics, that there are reasonable people who are just as disgusted
by what's going on in Washington as I am, even though we're on the other side. Here's some of the
comments. Glenn, people on the left hate it, hate our country, hate us, and I'm
are trying to destroy it.
They hate Christians.
They hate fiscal conservatives.
They hate constitutionalists and law-abiding citizens.
We're not trying to win, Glenn.
We're trying to keep a republic together.
Okay.
If you believe that half of the country hates us, what's our solution?
What's the solution?
It has to be either we divide the states,
Or we conquer them somehow or another.
And how are you going to conquer them?
Well, you can conquer them through force,
or you can reach out and try to understand and try to build a relationship that we had.
These are the neighbors that we used to love and cherish and trust 10 years ago.
You know, people say to me, you've changed.
My principles haven't changed at all.
Not one bit.
Not one bit, but my understanding of how to navigate in this world has changed dramatically.
And if you haven't changed in the last 10 years, I just want to know how.
Because everything around you has changed.
How have you not changed your outlook on how to solve this problem?
because what we were doing, you know, eight years ago isn't, what wasn't working.
It wasn't working.
Okay, so are we just going to keep doing the same thing?
Are we just going to keep shouting people down?
And I know that's what people say the left did.
And then the left will say that's what the right did.
I don't care anymore.
I don't care who started it.
I don't care.
I just want to solve it.
And I won't solve it by, by,
you know, going back on my principles.
If you don't have principles, you have nothing.
If we don't have the Constitution, we have nothing.
I was reading these comments and people were like,
here, one liberal argument against the Bill of Rights I often hear is that the Bill
of Rights was just an afterthought and it was only approved because they were tired of hearing
about it.
Seriously, they're all that ignorant to believe it.
Well, first of all, there's a little bit of truth in that.
We had the Constitution.
And then, because everybody was afraid the government was going to violate these rights, they decided, let's put them down on paper.
Let's show people.
Let's demonstrate to them that the government will never do these things.
So there is some truth to that.
Now, maybe it's just a miscommunication, the way you've heard it phrased.
but that is generally true.
But it doesn't mean that it's not valuable.
It was self-evident at the time.
Everybody knew that, yeah, we're not going to take away guns.
We're not going to do, you know, you have a freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, everything else.
And people said, I don't know, I don't trust you.
Okay, fine.
Then I'll write it down.
And it's a good thing they did.
Because it was James Madison that put in the same.
Sedition Act. Our second president said, by the way, you say anything bad about me or the government,
and you're going to jail. Thank goodness we had written it down because it isn't always self-evident
when people get into power. How could James or John Adams of all people, one of our patriots,
how could he violate the Constitution with a sedition?
because when you get power, you suddenly believe, I know better than everybody else.
I know.
I know how to fix this.
I know better than everybody.
I'm here to tell you I don't have any talent on loan from God.
I struggle with the same problems that you struggle with of my family, raising my children,
how to deal with the Internet in my life, with my children.
how to deal with it with me?
Struggle with my job.
Struggle with money.
All of it.
It's the same.
The problem comes when people think they know.
When they have power and they become arrogant.
We have become arrogant in another way.
We've become arrogant.
We think we know who the other side is until we talk to them.
now I'm not talking about
I'll give you 20% of both sides
I ain't talking to Nazis
and I'm not talking to communists
because they are sad
now I will I'll reach out and say
hey you know this really is not right
you're open I'm open to talking to you about it
I'm not going to compromise my principles
but I don't think you're going to either
we may be two ships that are just never going to meet
but I'm not going to write off 60% of America.
I'm not, I think it's 80%.
I'm not willing to say that my friends and neighbors who vote differently than I do
don't understand.
Government just can't come in and seize something.
The government can't just say, oh, I'm going to take away this or I'm going to put you in jail without due process.
You know, when you really talk to people and you say, okay, so let's say, okay, so let's
talk about background checks.
Background checks, 97% of Americans say, yeah, we should have background checks.
97%.
However, those numbers start to fall apart when you get down to the nitty-gritty on what is
included in that.
Should that background check have access to your doctor information?
So if you're seeing a psychiatrist, should that show up on your background check?
Well, I don't know.
now wait a minute that's going to are starting to get a little dicey we we really need to have
conversations with each other and we need to understand that they feel the same way about us
they feel the vicious vitriolic attacks we've seen it we've lived it we've lived it on their
side well you may not be attacking them you may not be saying those things but
others who are, you know, wrapping themselves as I'm a conservative Christian too.
Those, and I've seen them.
You've seen them.
Conservatives just vicious and nasty and rumor mongering.
You see it too?
That's not who we are.
But that's who they think we are because we also think they're nasty.
And they can't understand.
I'm not like that.
I go to baseball games with my kids just like everybody else.
I'm not like that.
Let's start having adult conversations.
Let's start having hard conversations where we're a little uncomfortable because it's out
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We have to start having those if we want to be able to fix reason in her seat.
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Let me take Joe quickly in Massachusetts.
Hello, Joe.
Hi, Glenn.
Hi.
The 20% on either side,
you can throw the mouth the window, you're right, it doesn't matter.
The problem with the 60%, and I live in Massachusetts, I know,
they don't want to be educated.
They're ignorant and they don't have the time, they don't care, whatever,
but they just run to whoever says what they want to hear.
And it's not an issue of taking aside.
It's an issue of them just, they want to have their life
and they're so used to the government being involved that it just is the way it is anymore.
So, Joe, could you say that they probably feel the same way, that there are some in that 60% that feel the same way about the Republicans?
Because I can tell you that I think there's a lot of Republicans that fit in that category as well as Democrats.
Well, I agree. I agree.
So I'm saying just the average people in the middle, I don't know how you,
because I
I know a lot of people
there's a lot of people in Massachusetts
who aren't rabid leftists
but they're so used to the government
it's just oh that's the way it's always
sure but the only way
to be able to make an impact
the only way is to be able to
live your life with principles
credibility and stability
and then reach out
and be friends with
people and talk to people
not everybody's going to jump on the bandwagon
we just have to start believing
back that there's worth in every individual.
Courage.
Truth.
She was never a Washington girl.
Never.
She didn't even care about politics.
And yet she became one of the most powerful people in Washington, D.C.
Her name is Hope Hicks.
She was Trump's communications director.
She was one of the longest serving advisors and arguably Trump's most trusted aid.
She had often had the challenging job of talking him down from an angry tweet or redirect
his attention elsewhere.
She corralled the press to, you know, get on message when they were at odds with each other,
which was all the time apparently in the White House, and she would bring them together.
Hey, press department.
Come together.
Many of the staff viewed her as a protector against Trump's outbursts, you know, like an older sister shielding her little brother from the father's wrath.
but yesterday, Hicks appeared to have had enough.
She told the president that she was resigning.
Now, was this an angry thing?
I don't know.
I mean, I've read things yes, and I've read things no.
I don't know.
Her resignation came a day after she testified for eight hours before the House Intelligence Committee.
She told a panel that in her job, she had been occasionally been required to tell little white lies,
but she had never lied about anything connected to the investigation into Russia's interference in the 2016 election.
Now, were people at the White House happy about that? I'm sure not.
But she's not a Washington politician.
Her revelation to the panel isn't really shocking, and I don't think it was the impetus for her leaving the White House.
She's a 29-year-old former model who wanted to work in fashion.
I doubt she had any aspirations of becoming the communication.
director. Then I'll rule the world. By all accounts, it sounds like she just took a job,
her job, in stride. It didn't seem like it was her dream to be there. She thought she could
serve. She did. The limelight and the scrutiny of the House Intelligence Committee and her
relationship with Rob Porter made public appeared to have pushed her to end something. She really
never wanted to start. When she leaves the White House in a couple of weeks, she's going to escape.
relatively unscathed.
She, by all accounts, did a good job.
She didn't stay to see her reputation get dragged through the dirt like so many before her.
Trump has stated many times that Hicks is very smart, and I believe he's telling the truth.
It's Thursday, March 1st.
You're listening to the Glenn Beck program.
Hello, America.
I'm glad you're here.
I want to hear from you today because yesterday was a crazy day constitutionally, a crazy day politically.
I've, I mean, I expected the kind of words that came out of Donald Trump's mouth yesterday on live television.
I expected those coming out of the mouth of President Obama behind closed doors, something that he would have never said.
But I never expected to hear them from a president.
who was on the Republican side and had the backing of the NRA and is is is is is
heading the the supposedly the party that cares about the Constitution it was
pretty unique it's interesting to the defense seems to be that he doesn't really mean it
he just says these things in these moments and then he winds up ending up in the right place
which I you know has has been true in the past and hopefully is true here again
you know we're going to be critical of of
his words when he says
these things about the second amendment. As we have to be.
You are listening to a show that cares
more about the Second Amendment than any politician.
We care more
about the Second Amendment than the
feelings of any Republican
or Democrat. I'm going to go. I care
more about all of the
Bill of Rights
and the
amendments than
any politician. All of them.
Yeah. I mean, this is a show that
cares about principles more than
personalities. If you don't like that show, there's plenty of shows that do the other thing.
Yep. So, but I, I think there's a good chance that Donald Trump, who's not, he's never been a
gut-oficionado. He's not, he doesn't live in that culture. He has, I mean, you could tell, do we have the,
do we have some of the audio here? Should we go through some of this? Because, I mean, he clearly
doesn't have a, an idea of what the, what has happened in the debate for, let's say, the past
five years. The biggest, probably the biggest thing in the past five years after Sandy Hook was the
Mansion Toomey amendment that they tried to push through, which would have tightened gun control.
It's basically the reason why Pat Toomey is not considered a big T-Partyer anymore. He was basically
kicked out of the Tea Party movement, even though the rest of his record's pretty darn good.
I mean, Toomey's been a pretty good senator with the exception of guns. And the right,
rightly, I think, took him on and said, I don't like the way you're trying to compromise here. You're
pushing too far. We can't.
let these rights be infringed.
So they pushed back on that pretty hard.
Yesterday, Trump talking to Pat Toomey,
who he seemed multiple times to have no idea that Pat Toomey proposed a gun control
measure in the very recent past.
Yes.
He actually thinks Toomey is afraid of the NRA.
Listen to this exchange.
Mr. President, you're absolutely right.
You can lead on this in a way that nobody else can because for all of those Americans
out there, that the second.
amendment is so critically important to them. They believe you that you're not going to go into
their home and take their firearms. So you have a credibility that nobody else can bring to this.
That's why you can lead. Maybe you've heard my call. You act when you see an opportunity to save
life. We're all, I mean, yeah, I'm going to lead, but we're all going to lead. We're going to get
this done in a bipartisan matter. I'm not even worried about 60 votes. I really believe that
60 votes, 60 percent, meaning, it should be so easy. It should be a hundred, it should be a hundred
percent.
Chris, do you have something?
No, no, no, I just, I think you underestimate the power of the gun lobby.
No, I'll tell you what.
The reason I had lunch with the NRA on Sunday, I called him.
I said, you've got to come over.
I said, fellas, we've got to do something.
And they do have great power.
I agree with that.
They have great power over you people.
They have less power over me.
I don't need it.
I don't, what do I need?
But I tell you, they are well-meaning.
And I said, they're very nice.
I said, fellas, we've got to do something.
We can't keep restricting, and we can't.
We have to do what's right.
When it comes to mental health and other issues, I said, we have to do what's right.
And I'm telling you, I think they're there.
I think they're there.
Some of you people have petrified of the NRA.
You can't be petrified.
They want to do what's right, and they're going to do what's right.
I really believe it.
That was another time where he said, you know, he was taking on the senators for the NRA and
congressmen.
But again, Trump is, I'll defend Trump on this point quite a bit, which is, you know,
the NRA has been incredibly loyal.
David Fredge pointed that out last hour. You pointed it out as well. And it's true. The NRA has been incredibly loyal to Trump.
That being said, I have absolutely no problem with the president taking on an advocacy group that has sided with them in the past.
That's exactly what I want out of the president. Me too. I mean, if Trump really believes that we should have more gun control and things that the NRA is comfortable with, he should take on the NRA.
I mean, he should. You got to be your own person. Of course. So I have no problem with him taking it.
on the NRA. I have the problem with the substance of what he's taking them on for.
Yes.
Which is, I mean, I don't think he seems to know it.
That was, let me play the Trump tells senators he's a fan of NRA, change age to 21.
This is about, you know, the idea of changing the age of purchasing firearms to 21 for, for long guns.
Listen to this exchange.
This is with Pat Toomey.
And I'm a fan of the NRA.
I mean, there's no bigger fan.
I'm a big fan of the NRA.
They wanted to do right.
These are great people.
These are great patriots.
They love our country.
But that doesn't mean we have to agree.
It doesn't make sense that I have to wait until I'm 21 to get a handgun, but I can get this weapon at 18.
I don't know.
So I'm just curious as to what you did in your bill.
We didn't address it, this president.
I think he's afraid of the NRA.
To To Me.
To me.
He, but again, he's asking Pat Toomey, what is in his bill.
This was the biggest piece of the gun debate in the past six years.
Why is he walking into a meeting on national television?
television to ask Pat Toomey what's in the bill?
I mean, how can you possibly be having this meeting in public if you don't know what Manchin
Toomey is?
How can you possibly be talking about that?
Well, it probably is the same reason why he said what he said about, you know, let's take the guns first.
Listen, what he's saying with Mike Pence.
The due process.
Due process.
Well, in the category, you spoke about it, Mr. President.
Gun violence restraining orders.
They're called. California actually has a version of this.
And I think you're meeting with governors earlier this week individually.
And as a group, we spoke about states taking steps.
But the focus is to literally give families and give local law enforcement additional tools
if an individual is reported to be a potential danger to themselves or others.
Allow due process that no one's rights are trampled.
but the ability to go to court,
obtain an order,
and then collect not only the firearms,
but any weapons in the position of that individual.
Or might take the firearms first and then go to court,
because that's another system,
because a lot of times, by the time you go to court,
it takes so long to go to court,
to get the due process procedures.
I like taking the guns early,
like in this crazy man's case
that just took place in Florida.
He had a lot of fires.
They saw everything.
to go to court would have taken a long time.
So you could do exactly what you're saying,
but take the guns first, go through the due process.
Yeah, that's not how our system.
Here's what happened yesterday.
This is, you know, world according to Glenn.
Donald Trump walks out with Mike Pence at his side.
He says, Mike, that was a great meeting.
Great meeting.
I think we made a lot of progress.
Sure was, Mr. President.
How about that one time, though,
when they were trying to lure you into voting for all the gun control measures
that they've been pushing for for,
for a long time. You really read that
out and I saw what you did there and
that was fantastic.
Why don't you tell me, Mike,
what do you think I was doing? Oh, like when the point
when Diane Feinstein was smiling
giddily, giddily next to you because you
seem to agree to an assault weapons ban, we know you
didn't do that and I know what you were doing with her
trying to try to show
her true colors. You approve that
and that's why
we're going to get to you that bill that we talked about earlier.
Remember the one that doesn't violate
the second amendment? We're going to get that to you here in just a couple
minutes. And that's the one you want to back, right? That's just like we talked about before that
meeting, right? Like, you're still on that bad way. Yeah. Yeah, I'm still there. Okay. I thought so.
You really, I mean, you've outsmarted them. What happened was you show their true others. This is what I think
happened. Yeah. And now you see this morning, Trump is tweeting as if that conversation happened.
He's like, well, we got to respect the Second Amendment. And, you know, he's, he sounds a lot more like a
Republican president today than he did yesterday. And if that's the outcome of this, it's scary because
one of these times is not going to work,
but if that's the outcome,
then we're all going to be fine in a couple weeks.
It certainly has to make you nervous
that he has, his instincts are,
take the guns first.
And his knowledge level is,
I don't know about the biggest issue in this area
as I stand in front of the entire nation
in a public meeting talking with the guy
who sponsored the bill
that I don't know anything about and accusing him
of being afraid of the NRA.
Like, that is, it's so,
Incredible.
You never,
so,
someone pointed out on Twitter today
that he sounds at times
like the president is a caller on sports radio.
You know,
a guy who's just kind of like,
he knows generally the topics.
He knows the teams.
He knows some of the players.
But he doesn't,
he doesn't know how to run a sports franchise.
And so,
I might say that yesterday
sounded more like Glenn Beck
calling sports radio.
Your phone calls for the rest of the
I just want to hear from you.
Speak your mind.
I know this audience.
You're not going to hold your peace.
So speak your mind.
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Let's go to Richard in New York. Hello, Richard. How are you?
How are you doing?
Very good.
Hey, Glenn, how you doing?
Very good.
Hi, I'm giving you a call because I think the narrative needs to change from gun control to people control.
I don't think the government's got it right on this one.
I also think that I have two proposed ideas that I think would resolve a lot of the issues.
I don't think anything will we ever fix 100% the issues of gun violence or any type of violence, of that matter.
But I think the issue should be if we ask our police departments and people in the police department to take,
a psychological evaluation, a written one, prior to being hired to be on the police department,
I think that in order to purchase a firearm, you should have to go through the same exact
exam. Why is that? I think that would take care of the mental illness issue with people who are
mentally ill. It will also resolve the issue of temporary insanity. What stops a person who has,
you know, who's 50 years old, gets fired from their job and buys a weapon and goes on a mass
shooting at their job. You know, the only thing that would stop them is if they had to take an exam
that would test their temperament and to see if they're eligible to purchase a firearm.
All right. Well, a couple of thoughts with this, Richard.
First of all, temporary insanity is not insanity. So there's no test for temporary insanity.
It's something that you snap. That's why it's called temporary.
insanity because something extraordinarily emotional just happened to you and you snap and you
wouldn't necessarily be able to test for that in advance.
The second thing is, is you're talking about applying a standard that is given to the police
department.
Well, the police, it's not a right to be a police officer.
Okay, that's a privilege.
That's a job.
It's not a right.
And you said something that I thought was disturbing.
I think I understand what you're saying, but the key word here is control.
You said we've got to go from gun control to people control.
Well, that's really the same thing.
That's why the Second Amendment exists.
So someone cannot control the people.
So the people can control themselves.
So if we look at this and say, is it a right?
See, this is the problem that we're having is we're dancing around the issue.
is my owning a gun a right?
If it is a right, then I automatically have it.
I've been endowed by my creator.
So anything that stands between that right and me is unnatural and wrong, according to the Constitution.
Anything that happens after I receive that right, then you can do that.
So in other words, I have the right to own a gun.
and I want to, you want to test me before I get the gun? No.
You want to say that there are things in place that if I start to have erratic behavior,
you can go in front of a court and constitutionally for my Fourth and Fifth Amendment have due
process. You can't just take my gun, but I have due process. Then you can do that.
But it's either a right or it's not. It's the same as voting rights.
It's a right to vote.
So anytime you want to put a poll tax, anytime this is a problem with African Americans,
let, well, you've got to pass this test to see if you're really able to vote.
No, I don't.
It's my right to vote.
And I agree with that to a certain extent, but I think if we can put parameters on different events of life,
to test you to figure out if you're qualified to do certain things, qualified to be a lawyer,
just because I go read the law books tomorrow doesn't qualify.
It's not a right.
It's not a right.
It's not a right to be a lawyer.
It's not a right to be a lawyer.
You could do this.
You just have to get rid of the Second Amendment.
Yeah.
I mean, look, Richard, this may be what, you know, we end up doing.
I hope to God not.
And I see your reason.
However, to get there, you must deny that owning a gun is a right.
And that's where, you know, half of the country is.
that it's not a right.
Well, it is.
And the only way around it is to abolish the Second Amendment, which can be done.
We've done it to the, what is it, the 18th Amendment, which was the Prohibition Amendment.
Right, right.
Yeah, I don't know.
You can abolish the Second Amendment.
I highly recommend against it.
But the only way is to say it is no longer a right.
Then you can have all kinds of litmus tests.
But not while it remains a right.
Glenn, back.
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I want to go off the last phone call that we had
because I think this is really important
to have this conversation,
and that is, what is a right?
What does it mean?
What does the Constitution and the Bill of Rights mean?
And the Bill of Rights and the Constitutional amendments are really clear.
And most people don't think of it this way,
But let's start with the 13th Amendment, stew.
That abolished slavery, did it not?
No, it did not.
Wait a minute.
No, it, no, the 13th Amendment said all indentured servants and all slaves, no more, no more slaves.
Yeah, it could kind of say that.
However, it left an exception out.
An exception.
An exception.
If it's only, it can, you are prohibited from putting someone in involuntary servitude or slavery,
except for a punishment for a crime.
We've seen people on the side of the road collecting trash.
You've seen this in every, you know, prison movie going back the past 100 years.
Chain gangs.
Chain gangs, right?
I mean, this is, that is essentially involuntary servitude.
Right.
It's a form of slavery, if you will.
You're a slave to the system.
You will do and work as the system says because.
So the 13th Amendment says there's no slavery or involuntary servitude unless, or accept this.
Okay.
We all know the third.
Third Amendment, right?
Nobody knows the third amendment.
It's my favorite amendment.
It is mine, too.
I don't know why.
You shall not be required to quarter soldiers in your home.
That's what the amendment says, right?
No, it doesn't.
No.
It says unless.
Unless it's wartime and they pass a law saying they can put quartered soldiers in your home.
So in other words, you can say you're not quartering these soldiers in my home.
And you can hold up the third amendment.
and say, absolutely, that's against the Constitution.
They say, no, actually, we're at war.
And here's the law we passed.
Okay, so there are exceptions, and they're written into the Constitution.
Now, most of them don't have the unless, but there is only one that says,
and there is no unless.
There is no exception, and you will not infringe on this.
the second amendment is the strongest right
because there is no one less.
There is no ifs,
ands, or buts.
Yeah, I mean,
even if you look at the First Amendment,
it just talks about Congress making laws.
You know, it prohibits Congress from making laws
that will,
any law respecting an establishment of a religion, right?
But as we know,
the states still had state,
Massachusetts had a state religion
when this thing was passed, right?
There are all sorts of exceptions.
the second one is really clear.
They seem to make that one really important.
Hey, you can't infringe on this one.
So the reason why you have to understand that this is a right, this is a right,
and not a suggestion, it is something that according to our system of government,
you are born with certain rights, and they can't ever be taken away from you.
unless there's an exception,
but there is one right that says shall not be infringed.
So this is a God-given right that nobody can take away.
If you understand that it is a right first,
then you can understand and tie it in other things.
For instance, voting, voting,
poll taxes,
We all know that that was an infringement on a right.
You, you, I don't, wait a minute, because I'm African American, I have to pay a tax.
Because I'm African American, I have to take a test.
No, I don't have a test that I have to take.
I have a right.
Unless it's taken away because I'm a criminal.
And that's a new addition.
So you have a right to vote.
We all know.
they don't spy on you as the default.
Well, I mean, now they do because we're violating the Fourth Amendment.
But they don't, we all know, the government does not have a right to spy on you.
What they have is a, is no right to spy on you unless they can go to a court and get a warrant because they've proved there's enough here that we need to.
to follow and spy on you. So there is an unless in that right. There isn't with voting.
There isn't an unless. There's just age. There isn't an unless in the Second Amendment.
You want all of your rights. Rights are yours by default. What people are talking about now is,
no, well, let's make the default. You don't get one.
Unless you do this.
No, no, no.
Rights mean you have that unless you do these things.
Yeah, I mean, it goes fundamentally.
It's the constitutionalist argument is you're innocent.
Unless you're proven guilty.
Right.
And the current way of looking at this from the left and others is you're guilty.
Unless you can be proven innocent.
Right.
That's a huge massive hazard.
It's 180 degrees different.
That is no longer a right.
That becomes then a privilege.
Now, with this, we have to talk about responsibilities.
If you are not responsible, you lose your rights.
And quite honestly, that's why we are losing rights now,
because we have shown ourselves irresponsible with those rights.
Everybody always says, I have rights, you know.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know.
But you also, dude,
have responsibilities.
Let's go to Mike in California.
Hello, Mike, you're on the Glymbic program.
Hey, Glenn and Stu, how are you guys doing today?
Good. How are you?
Good.
Hey, I just wanted to say the whole thing about the psychological background checks.
Yeah.
I, for one, don't trust psychologists, and I think a lot of Americans feel this way.
The APA has been completely politicized.
There are votes on transgenderism and homosexuality and all that proves it.
They were political votes not doing, having anything to do with actual data and studies.
And I've known, I mean, I've known a lot of people who were messed up people who went into
psychology to try to figure themselves out, and then they came out with a job.
You know?
So, I mean, I thought I had, I knew one marriage and family therapist who was bipolar and manic.
So, you know, there.
We have to be, you're exactly right, Mike, on this, that we have to be.
really careful about anything having to do with psychiatric being a default because everything
is being politicized.
Now, that's why the proposal that the right is proposing is that we have a system to
where your family, just like committing people, where your family can come in and say,
look, Your Honor, we need to make sure that he doesn't have these guns because he is a
danger. And that's, that could have, that could have stopped, uh, the shooting in Florida.
Would have stopped. Would have stopped. The, the parents called and said, can you come, please take the guns.
Thanks, Mike. Jamal, North Carolina. Hello, Jamal. Hey, Glenn, what's going on this morning?
Hey, Stu, let me say this real quick. When President Trump did what he said about the due process,
what he was saying was, you have liberals that have come out of due process.
for everything else.
His whole Me Too movement
was a tackle and due process.
So what he was basically saying is
when CNNBC and all the
mainstream media come out to him,
whatever he says something, they come out to him.
So if he get Democrats in the media
old record say, okay, fine,
President Trump is against
due process, where we're supporting
due process. So now by them
doing that, by them going against
him and saying, when he's against due process, he can't
do that. Well, here's the thing. Now what they
have done is, now they have
shut down the Me Too movement.
They have shut down Black Lives Matter Trash.
They have shut down some of their main liberal
agendas because their main liberal agendas are against due process.
So, Jamal, you are way ahead of the game.
You are right on the money on how due process.
Anybody who is against this, but for the Me Too movement
in the way it's, I mean, to its end.
degree, you're exactly right. But I believe beyond that, you are a little wishing and hoping
kind of like people were when Justice Roberts said, no, I'm, I'm cool with the whole tax people,
you know, just to be an honest citizen. This is like 67,000 dimension chess we're talking about
with Joe. Well, Glenn, I'll tell you this. The Republicans, we play checkers while the Democrats
play chess, liberals play chess. I am a Trump fanatic. I love President Trump. I love you guys too.
But here's the thing also. When they have been attacking the Second Amendment ever since 1934,
when they passed the amendment law against the cops of the sub-machine gun, that's when they first
started doing. They've been a road in the Second Amendment more and more. They find more reasons
to deny you the right to have the second than they do for vote. I support voter ID. Okay,
let me tell you this. I support voter ID. I believe it is.
failure in the black community is the failure of the black church and every time you turn around
they come about voter ID they always want to make it look like it's racism opposed because the
Democrat Party feed that now if they want to sit there and they want to say about the second
amendment this is why they can always run to the argument going where we we you can't have an
automatic you can't have an automatic the liberals and the communists what they did long ago
that's bull with a little chip they put a part in place where you can't bring your
night. You can't bring your
bishop. You can't bring your
queen out at all. You can't
do that because that phone sits
right there. And attack the Second Amendment
long ago when they passed in the 1934
when they said you couldn't have the time of some machine
gun. But they said, well, no North
Americans can be trusted. Then they kept
finding ways to chip away with it.
Glenn, on my page, I have to debate
people all the time because of Amma and
Jamal and have a conservative
page I do videos. But Glenn, I have a debate
to explain with him. Driving up
car is not a right.
Yes, I know.
The second amendment is a right.
I know.
Well, they don't think the forefathers, Glenn, they don't think the forefathers knew about
automatics, but if he knew history, the forefathers knew about automatic.
Yeah, that's right.
So, all, you are, you are spot on.
And like I said, at the beginning, way ahead of the, the average person.
I will correct one thing.
It didn't start with the Tommy gun.
It started with Reconstruction.
That's when the Democrats first came after the guns,
and they came after the guns with the African-American community
for their own protection.
That way they could ride in with the Klan at night.
Thanks, Jamal, for your call.
Dick quickly in California.
Hey.
Sir, thank you for taking my call.
Sure.
Can we ratchet this back to the original CIVI,
the comments by today?
Sure.
Let me tell you what I'm a lifer with the,
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and I can search because we have reason to believe there is something on the premises that will convict you of the crime that we have enough evidence that we've brought to a judge to say we think we can find this here.
That's not to take it to take your possessions away and violate another amendment.
For the second amendment, you need another procedure, not just a judge.
I think we have enough secret courts, quite honestly.
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President Trump is criticizing the Attorney General Jeff Sessions again.
Yesterday he wrote a, well, I was going to say memo, but it was more of a tweet,
just calling him disgraceful.
The situation was disgraceful.
that Sessions is using the Justice Department's Inspector General to investigate the potentially
massive FISA abuse in the Russian investigation.
Wait, it's disgraceful that we're using the Inspector General?
That's the system.
Trump apparently didn't like that the Justice Department lawyers were not used for the probe
instead of the IG.
The Inspector General is looking into whether FISA standards were abused when the FBI
first started investigating Trump and his campaign associates and their possible ties to Russia.
The Nunez memo alleges that the FBI misled the FISA court to obtain a warrant to monitor Carter Page.
Referring to the inspector general, Trump wrote, isn't the IG an Obama guy?
Later, House Oversight Chairman Trey Gowdy released his own statement defending the inspector general.
Gowdy says he, quote, has complete confidence in him and hope he has given him.
he has given the time, the resources, and the independence to complete his work, end quote.
Trump has taken issue with Jeff Sessions on and off for almost the whole time since he's been in office.
Rumors that Sessions will be fired seem to surface at least once a month.
Usually Sessions keeps his mouth shut and absorbs the blow, but not this time.
He issued a statement, not a tweet, a statement that said,
we have initiated the appropriate process that will ensure complaints against this department
will be fully and fairly acted upon if necessary.
As long as I'm the Attorney General,
I will continue to discharge my duties with integrity and honor,
and this department will continue to do its work in a fair and impartial manner
according to the law and constitution, end quote.
I think that sounds like he might have been a little irritable when he wrote it.
Maybe Sessions is finally getting tired of the abuse.
Ever since Sessions recused himself heading the Russia collusion investigation,
he has been Trump's punching bag.
It's strange because Sessions has been a staunch Trump supporter from the very beginning.
It's also weird because Sessions has even offered to resign, but Trump hasn't taken him up on it yet.
At this point in the Marathon Russia investigation, what President Trump's think,
what President Trump thinks he stands to gain by tweeting criticism of Sessions and the Inspector General is anyone's guess.
but regardless, it's just not helpful.
It's Thursday, March 1st.
You're listening to the Glenn Beck program.
We come to you with good news and partial good news.
I know I thought we were going to announce something else.
We have a couple of good things,
but I thought we were going to announce something else today,
an accomplishment, but it has led us down a deeper rabbit hole
that we need to hold our cards close to our vest here for a little while.
But I want to welcome Tim Ballard.
He is the CEO of the Nazarene Fund, founder and CEO of Operation Underground Railroad, and Dave Lopez, who's the director of operations for the Nazarene Fund.
Hello, gentlemen. Welcome back.
Thanks, Glenn.
Hi, Glenn. Thank you for having us.
So let's start with, let's start with the good news.
Well, we, last week we talked about the movement of 320 Christian and Yazidi victims of ISIS who we were moving out.
And I think that Dave, didn't that include like 20?
slaves that we were, 25 former slaves of ISIS is in that number.
Okay. And how are we?
We are great. We are over 80% done, getting them out.
And these stories are amazing because we're, we get to interview them.
And we have an interview that we're going to show that you're going to be able to actually air in a couple days.
Okay.
But the people that are out and the ones that are ready to start talking, I mean, unbelievable stories.
There's just, there's just a case of one girl who was, was, was,
passed around sold 16 times.
Different ISIS fighters, different ISIS commanders.
Just horrifying things.
She actually tried to kill herself at one point,
jumped out of a window.
A slave trader who had mercy during one of these exchanges
told her to go to this Christian group,
which they ended up bringing her to the Nazarene Fund.
I mean, and these are the kidding me.
It's a slave, a slave trader?
I mean, you wouldn't think that he would have mercy.
Something happened. Who knows what happened, but he said, you know what? Run that way.
Wow. And so now we have her. And with these other hundreds that we're bringing over,
we're preparing the way for them to go into Australia, as you know. We're so excited to take you out there and see them as they get into their new homes and hear these stories.
I've heard that, is it true that I've heard a television show is, and don't say the name of it, because I don't know if it can be, but that there's a television show.
a major television show that's going to be going to Australia to welcome them,
unrelated to us and everything else. Have you heard that? No. Oh, okay. Yeah,
there's a major TV show that has heard about the Nazarene fun and said, I want to know about this
and I want our audience to know about it. It's really cool. It's great. It's going to be great, great.
These are just amazing stories. You remember the story. You've told this one about the Christian fighter
who was killed and left behind four daughters, his wife. Yeah. And they put his body,
and displayed it behind the church
ISIS did and the Nazarene Fund
went in and extracted this family
and the dead of night
got them into safety, they're safe now, and they are about
to make their trip into
Australia. And so they're just
all, it's just amazing. It's just so
much light and hope.
So we have, and I know this is radio,
but you have footage from
we were last time you were here and I don't want to
get into all the dark stuff, but we were talking about
what ISIS is doing with organ
harvesting, which is terrifying.
and they're just snatching these kids.
It's my understanding that this video, and you'll describe it on radio,
but this video was taken because we were actually,
we were doing reconnaissance on one of these makeshift hospitals, Dave.
Is that right?
That's right.
We were in the area looking for, we were having interviews with witnesses,
people that eyewitnesses accounts of Morgan Harvesting were also looking into a few
different areas where it was being done.
That's the whole point.
what's going on up and around Raqa
and the devastation that you're going to see in this video
is immense just from
the war and then you're going to also
see what happens after this
explosion goes off and how brave our people
are. Okay, so these are Nazarene Fund
Operators. Yes, correct. Okay, go ahead and roll this
and describe it here. What are we're saying.
Okay, so these are our guys and they're just
scanning the area, having no idea what's about
to happen. Any child in this area
is exposed and vulnerable to being
taken for organ harvesting and they know that
and they see a child right there you see
the mom and the child holding they're holding hands
oh yeah yeah yeah and they're watching this scene like
I hope they get out of here this is not a safe place from them to be
now what you're going to now see
is that they walk behind a building
and there's
an explosion an improvised explosive device
that was just sitting there
it could have been a leftover
unexploded ordinance probably from the Syrian government
that um when the showings was going
Oh, there we go.
And the mom is instantly killed.
The child, who's about
six, seven years old,
is not, is hurt,
and now it's extremely vulnerable.
This is the exact situation
that the organ harvesters are looking for.
Don't be afraid. There's nothing serious.
Is there anybody inside?
That's the child?
That's just the child. Yeah, they're just talking to the child right there.
Don't be afraid.
Now, these are our operators who see this,
and far from running away, they run right into the danger,
snaps up that child.
That's our guy right there holding the baby
and taking that child out
because this child is now completely alone and vulnerable
to the organ harvesters.
And we now, that's our guy getting them out,
getting her into a safe place.
And she's safe and she's healing.
She just lost her mother.
And they just, and to catch that on camera was just,
I mean, they were just,
they had obviously no idea this was about to happen.
Oh, my God.
It's hard for people understand
just how difficult the situation is
and what our people are doing there on the ground
and how brave they are.
And not just to be able to do what they're doing there,
but the logistics to be able to have the relationships
with the Australian government
to keep the vetting process for getting people out.
Australians have been remarkable with the...
Amazing. Amazing.
They're really remarkable.
I mean, people just don't know this.
These countries have taken a lot of heat
because they're taking in, you know,
the EU, especially over in Europe,
the EU is just pushing everybody and saying
you have to take refugees.
there's no vetting or anything.
That's right.
These are all vetted.
They're Christians and Yzidis
that have been coming under attack.
And the reason
that it's working
is because the Australians trust the Nazarene Fund.
Because the Nazarean Fund,
we are in there vetting
every single person to make sure
they have background checks done.
We know who they are,
what their background is,
what their history is.
The last thing we want to do
is send a threat
into another country.
And these guys are not there
to change Australia
or anything else. Some are going to stay, but the majority that I know of, and tell me if you find
this true, want to go back home. They are literally the Christians of the Bible. They're the first
ones that you saw the apostles go and convert. These were the ancient Jews that became Christian,
and they know we're that legacy. We can't leave that part of the world. And we are encouraging them
to go back.
Now that ISIS has been pushed out,
so many want to go back.
We are facilitating not only moves to Australia,
but we're facilitating the transportation of these people
back into their Christian communities to rebuild.
So we are doing that as well.
That may sound confusing to some people that don't understand.
That's a geographical situation.
So there's certain areas where people still need to be getting out.
There's other areas where they're able to start going back.
It might be confusing to the listener to someone
that doesn't understand some of these things.
but it is a very intricate situation,
but these people are very prideful in a good way of where they're from.
And they're not, you know, even though it's been devastation,
it's been torture, it's been war, it's their homeland.
And so I don't think the majority of these people,
even in, you know, in Australia, wherever they've gone,
they see this as temporary and that they want to go back.
Where is that little girl now?
She's in one of our shelters or healing centers.
So she's getting, she's getting therapy?
Everything.
We're getting everything she needs to be able to fully heal from that experience.
Yeah.
I mean, she was just to watch them.
There's a mom and daughter.
Just a foot away from her mom.
Yeah.
And get to get a sense of that, that area too, before anything happens.
It's just the entire, it's like a flattened city of cement.
It's just, I mean, there's almost nothing standing there before this happened.
How much of Iraq and Syria are like that?
now. Many parts, many parts of Syria has some, I mean, Iraq and Syria near the border,
there's tons of cities that are just devastated. And we know that in Haiti, the biggest problem,
I mean, you know, they're picking, I think it's avocados, right? You know, you get the avocados and
the bananas from the Dominican Republic. A lot of those are picked by Haitian slaves, kids who
are labor slaves now. And it's because mom and dad were killed in the earthquake.
Yet another reason to not eat avocados.
I know.
Like I needed another reason.
They're terrible squishy things.
But, you know, the same thing is, the same thing is happening here in, in Syria and Iraq.
These kids are so vulnerable.
I mean, I don't even know.
As a kid, what would you do?
There's nothing there.
Yeah.
And it's, whenever there's a natural disaster of any kind of earthquake, whatever, war,
the kids are the ones who are forgotten.
And like you said, they are.
so vulnerable. There's hundreds of thousands of children in Haiti, like you just pointed out,
who came from the earthquake. The traffickers rushed in, harvest day for them. They pick
them all up. They're grieving over their parents' dead bodies. As the traffickers are swooping
them up, we just arrested one of them. We talked about a couple weeks ago who was doing that,
and we found her victims. But this is the part... Her victims? Her victims. This is the, this is
the kingpin trafficker,
Frantzian. They call her Cho.
Oh, yeah, in Haiti.
Back in Haiti, right, right, right.
Yeah.
But this is the thing we always, all of us,
the world needs to be aware of,
when these catastrophes happen,
whether it's man-made wars or earthquakes or, you know, storms.
This is when the traffickers come in,
and we have to be there to defend those kids right away.
Can you give me any good news on the harvesting thing?
Is there any?
Or you, when, when will you be able to tell us something?
We will, next time we'll come on, I believe it will be about two weeks out,
and we'll be able to present some more footage, some more, there'll be footage.
There's been another, there's been another rescue that we're still waiting on releasing.
But our teams are busy.
There's some, there's some very high-stakes things going on right now,
because the more you prod and poke this bear, the more dangerous it gets.
Do they know us yet?
Do the bad guys know us there yet?
We don't, you know, this is one of the things.
I know you're not wearing T-shirts over there.
You know, as far as our teams and our people, no.
No.
Not at all.
And that's the way we're going to.
They know that somebody's coming for them, though.
It's becoming more.
We're guessing that they're probably starting to get an idea of it, but that's some,
that's the part of the risk that we.
Yeah.
Guys, thank you very much.
Now, listen, here's how you can help.
If, if, uh, if you just,
want to get involved, you can pray.
And, you know, thoughts and prayers don't mean anything.
Yeah, they do.
Yeah, they really do.
We'd like both your thoughts and your prayers.
And you can pray for the safety.
And in fact, I ask if you would pray every night as a family for not only the people that are
involved that we're trying to go and rescue, but also the rescuers themselves, because
these are really brave people.
But also, we would like you to be an abolitionist.
Everybody can say, oh, you know, the founders, they, whatever, whatever.
What are we doing right now?
What are we doing right now?
Please get involved and be a part of this heroic and historic movement.
And you can find all the information at the Nazarenefund.org.
The Nazarenefund.org.
Also, our, give me your web address for OUR Rescue.org.
Oh, you are rescue.org.
Thank you, guys.
Thank you.
Thank you, glad.
Thank you.
All right.
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Glenn Beck.
Well, this is helpful looking at CNN and the Kairon,
the thing that they put at the bottom of the screen.
Trump stuns on guns says,
some quote in GOP are petrified of NRA.
Perfect.
Thank you.
That's helpful.
Let me go to Wayne in Virginia.
Hello, Wayne.
Welcome.
Good morning, Mr. Beck, and thank you for taking my call.
You bet.
I am a family who has a very similar situation as what happened in Florida.
All the police calls, all the drop balls by the child protective services, the whole entire nine yards.
He's exactly the same age as that young man.
And there is absolutely nothing in the system.
And I know you care about due process as well as I do.
Gun owner, veteran.
Excuse me.
Where do we turn?
So the system, the system.
Sure.
Is not set up to protect my life.
Correct.
Okay.
So, Wayne.
So, hang on just a second.
What I'm for is what has been proposed that is giving you the right, you and your wife, a right to go in front of a judge and say,
judge, you've got to protect us.
We have to have him taken for psychiatric treatment or the guns taken away.
You have to have that right as parents.
I'm for that.
but that's still due process
six
six years
but we're not
right I know the new
this is a new
new proposal
it's you know
it's call
it's basically
something that they're discussing
after this tragedy
it's something that they have a place
in a couple of states
that it can move a lot quicker than this
it's definitely not supposed to be a six year process
yeah no no no and Wayne
we're with you
on being able to move this and move quickly
I understand the process is
screwed up. I got that.
We learned that from Florida.
Look what happened. How many red flags
do you need? So I'm for that.
There just has to be
some sort of due
process. And it
can't be a bunch of red tape.
It has to be an emergency
red flag like a restraining
order. I go in front of a judge.
I make my case. I get that order.
We move on.
Glenn, back.
Mercury.
is the Glenn Beck program.
So in the last 48 hours, man, Donald Trump has got to be tired.
I mean, he has had a rough 48 hours.
White House communication director, Hope Hicks resigned.
John Kelly, Jared Kushner, and Ivanka Trump are fighting.
These are just the stories in the last 48 hours.
Robert Mueller is looking at Donald Trump's financial maneuvers.
Trump publicly attacked.
Act Attorney General Jeff Sessions.
Then there was the whole gun debacle yesterday.
Hicks testified before House Intelligence Committee saying that she had to tell
white lies in service of Trump, which is really misleading.
We'll get to in a little while.
Washington Post said four foreign countries had assess Kushner was vulnerable.
Josh Raffell announced that he was leaving the White House.
It's a big loss, too.
Really big.
Really big loss.
Ben Carson has spent $31,000 to replace the furniture in his office.
There was a $5,000 or $6,000 chair.
Wow.
Well, you got to spend $5,000 to get a decent chair.
That is a quote.
A reported quote.
We don't know if it, you know.
Let's see.
The Interior Department resigned because of a series of anti-gay, anti-Muslim comments.
Not the entire Interior Department.
It was one member of the Interior Department.
And I hope it's the one that said this chair is beautiful.
Maybe.
Yeah.
Anyway, the list goes on and on.
It was a bad day.
Bad day.
Yeah.
But when you ask Kellyanne Conway, no, it was another great day.
Another red letter day in the stellar history of this administration.
And some of it is pretty stellar.
Yeah, no, that's true.
Some of it.
Yeah.
Can we play the audio of Kellyanne?
Here's Kelly Ann's.
What did the president mean exactly by that?
Is he ignoring the Constitution and taking some?
someone's property before due process?
No, not at all.
And the President respects the Constitution, including the Second Amendment and the 5 million or so
members of the NRA, who are law-abiding, peaceful gun owners.
What the President is saying is in light of Parkland, he made very clear that he said,
as we're talking about this person in Florida, in light of Parkland, everybody is so frustrated,
Maria, at the breakdown in the system and the fact that this individual was known to
local law enforcement, federal law enforcement. This individual was all over social media showing
off his firearms, threatening to do exactly what he ended up doing to many different, threatening,
making the threats in the presence of many different people. And so with that as our backdrop,
which let's be honest is what spurred this conversation in the first place for the last 15 days.
Let's be honest. But that is a backdrop. The president is saying that sometimes the processes take
too long. He's talking about a case such as this, which we hope is an extreme case, which
I don't understand what she says.
She's just a...
The ultimate is a very tragic, if not avoidable case.
Yeah, but I almost feel like yesterday he was trying so hard to appear that he is willing.
He's going to be in the middle of the road.
He's willing to make changes to answer the upset over these school shootings.
But doesn't he have to be careful not to step on due process?
This is America, the Constitution.
And what he said, I almost feel like maybe it was for the cameras.
And, I mean, you're saying he didn't mean that.
No, I didn't say he didn't mean that.
No, no, Maria.
Oh, my gosh.
About due process, blowing off due process.
It's the third time I'm going to say it.
This is in response to that shooter in Carpenter.
Oh.
Oh, she's blowing.
He's blowing off due presses because it's in response to something.
Of course we should excuse it.
So what he's saying is there is an emergency and let's not waste this opportunity to fix something.
A crisis? Yes, the crisis.
The president made it very clear yesterday.
that he supports everyone's unique position on the Second Amendment.
That's what Kelly Ann.
Donald Trump could say the earth is flat.
And you could ask Kelly Ann if he said that.
And she'd say, no, absolutely not.
What the president was simply saying is that there are some flat surfaces on the earth,
like Kansas and the Bonneville salt flats.
But he didn't mention any specifics.
And the edges of the ocean.
It's agonizing.
But that's her job, right?
She just, she has to.
Yeah, it's her job.
But I will tell you, you know what it was disturbing to me last night?
In reading, I read both left and right.
And with an exception of a couple on the right,
there was no discussion.
It was all about politics.
There was no discussions about the Constitution.
There was no horrified reaction,
especially on the left,
no horrified reaction
from the left on,
he's talking about a violation
of the Bill of Rights.
And not just Second Amendment.
Right, because we know they hate the second one,
but it also violates the fourth and the fifth.
They should at least be upset about that, right?
No.
No, they're not.
No.
And so how do you expect this is the problem
with the president saying things like this?
You know, that gets out into the system
and then people think, well, he can do stuff like that.
I actually heard Republicans.
saying and Trump supporters saying, I like
what he said. Wait, what?
You like what he said?
You got to take the guns? I like
to take the guns first
and then we'll work out the questions later on.
It's the antithesis.
That is a dictator. That is a dictator.
There's a fair point
to be made that
perhaps he just didn't mean it.
Again, he's not well-versed. She just
said, I had that hope until
she just got out and said, no, that, no,
he means it. Like, there is
Nothing of less value in the universe than a sentence spoken by Kelly and Conway.
Okay.
There's nothing you can tell.
Why she keeps going on television, why they keep putting her on television.
I mean, we all know.
And this is not even, it's not specific to her.
It's the same thing with any generic spokesperson.
No, but I, but I, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
Of course they're going to just say whatever benefits their, you know.
But wait, that should not benefit.
That shouldn't benefit.
If we are, if the party.
is still the party, if it ever was, of the Constitution and the rule of law and due process and no dictatorships,
then what she said is really important because what she said was, no, no, we've had time to think about it and talk about it at the White House.
And he meant that.
That's what's scary to mean because you could the next day say what they used to say with Obama all the time.
The president spoke inartfully in the heat of the moment.
Yes. That's not what he meant.
What he meant was, you know, X, fill in the blank.
That's not what they're saying.
Yeah, but they can't say it.
They can't say it because.
I don't know why.
They said it all the time under Obama.
He misspoke.
But I think the thing is that Obama is just a totally different guy.
If you say Trump made a mistake, you get fired.
You get yelled at.
You get tweeted about.
I mean, look at the guy who, the person under Sarah Huckabee Sanders,
I can't remember his name off the top of my head,
came out and did his first conference right.
after, this is a couple,
I'm trying to think of how many
crazy events this was ago,
but came out and said,
it was the Porter thing.
Rob Porter, he came out and he,
you know, had these domestic violence things,
and they didn't catch it right away,
and then they caught it,
and they still didn't fire him,
and then they came out,
and the pictures came out,
and then they blew him out of there, right?
So he came out,
and he's like, makes a very,
very limited statement of like,
look, of course we could have handled that
a little bit better,
but this is blah, blah, blah, blah, blah,
got lit up for it
for saying, of course we could have handled it
a little bit better. You can't admit
fault. However, however, this goes against what you and I
talked about that we speculate happened.
And that is, as soon as he got out of there, the same
people that really know the policies and everything else went,
Mr. President, no, no, no, no. You don't understand
yada, yada, yada. And then they always go back. As they did on his
stance on abortion. And on DACA. And DACA. They came out and said,
that's not what the president was talking about.
They're not saying that this time.
They're not.
They're not.
Which is truly chilling to me.
It should be.
And nobody.
This morning, though,
indicated a step back.
For the Second Amendment, not due process.
Yes, that's true.
But he's never going to admit what he said was wrong.
There's never going to be a moment where he said the due process thing.
Obviously,
I didn't mean it the way it was taken.
He's always going to stand by every position he's ever held.
So he has to find a way to navigate.
Even when they're opposite positions.
But I think the defense of Trump,
is don't listen to a word he says, wait for the policy to actually happen, because when the
policy actually happens, it'll probably be fine. I think that is the defense of if you're a Republican,
if you're a Trump supporter, and you're thinking, you know, how do I navigate through this?
It's not to just excuse every word he says like Kelly Ann Conway does, right? It's just to find a path to
if you believe it'll turn out fine. If you believe that. If you believe that. Let me take,
let me take this call from Sandy. Because I've explained this once today.
and Sandy would like it.
Well, go ahead.
Sandy?
What is you?
Hello.
What are your thoughts?
Hi, thank you.
My thoughts are the call about the test that the police have to take to qualify to carry a weapon, I think is an excellent idea.
And the reason being is that I agree with you.
I'm a big second and supporter.
I think that right is very important.
We're all born with that right, but it doesn't mean we all qualify to have that right as far as actually live it out.
No, it does.
physically and mentally handicapped people that don't have that right.
We have age parameters right now that qualify the right to bear that, bear arms.
I don't see anything wrong with giving a mental health test to people ahead of time to see if that.
To every single person who tries to buy a gun?
To everybody?
I think we have to sit down and discuss how to handle that.
I think that's a good starting point.
Well, it's giving a lot of power to the government.
Sandy.
Sandy, first of all.
you need to get a new phone because you're beginning to sound like Charlie Brown's teacher.
You barely understand you.
But if you want to have that discussion, that's fine.
But let's be honest about that discussion.
Because when you say I'm a big Second Amendment fan and I believe in rights, what follows that does not match those statements.
You can say, look, I believe that you should be able to protect.
yourself and you should be able to buy a gun, but there's some things that you have to do.
That's different than our rights are given to us by God.
And unless you disqualify, unless you've done something to where the people say,
no, you should not have that gun, you start at the default of a right means, you start at the
default of this is my right.
I get this. For instance, that's why driver's license, that's not a right.
You have to take a test. It's not a right.
But why do we do it with the police? Then why do we put the police?
Because it's not a right to be a police officer.
No, they're carrying a weapon.
They're taking a psychological test to be a police officer, not to carry a weapon.
Well, but that's a big part of being a police officer.
No, but that's not why they have. You can
carry a gun and have a concealed carry permanent and not be a police officer.
Yes, it is a big part of being a police officer, but the bigger part is knowing the law
and being able to arrest people and help solve and prevent crimes.
That's the bigger part, not the gun.
I've actually heard that point.
I think the right to have a gun above all our rights is this right above all that has the ability to take away life.
There's something we need to really seriously look at.
Okay, so, Sandy, then that's where you have to start your argument.
You don't start with, I love the Second Amendment.
Because that's not the Second Amendment.
Yeah, start with I want to repeal the Second Amendment, and here's why.
Yeah, I want to repeal it, and we need to have a discussion on who gets guns.
By the way, it is not above all.
It's second.
It's second.
Freedom of speech, freedom of religion.
That's our First Amendment.
Our Second Amendment is the right to keep and bear it.
arms. And our founders believed if you abolish the Second Amendment, all other amendments and all other
rights will be lost. You may not agree with it. I happen to. I'm a student of history. And I see
that the biggest, the biggest offender of the misuse of firearms are governments out of
control on their own unarmed populations.
No doubt about it. How would that work, too? Would you have a psychiatric clinic at every
Cabela's? Can you imagine how a psychiatric thing could be misused and manipulated the military
people that would be counted out from being able to own guns when they come back because they had PTSD or
something like that. You know, look, there were people that said, you know, you have a God-given right
to bear children. Uh, you. You,
can bear children. And, you know, there's a lot of people that shouldn't have children.
There was only one group of people that said we should test and make sure that we choose as a
society. Canadians, right? The Canadians are. No, they were the progressives. They were the progressives.
And that led to eugenics. You know, you can make really good, quick cases that you should be the judge
of what rights people should have, but they never end well.
Pat Gray on Leash coming up on the Blaze Radio and TV networks.
I mean, really, that's a, it's an amazing, because you can amend the Constitution and not take away the Second Amendment, just add on a psychological test to qualify for that right.
I mean, you could come up with some way of crafting that, but it's, it's, you've got to start with a Constitution there.
Yeah, no, it's a constitutional amendment.
And I would, I would say that you couldn't add a but if clause to the Second Amendment because of, shall not be infringed.
I think you have to repeal it and start over again.
But, you know, that's not even worth talking about.
We're not going to do that.
We'll be at war before we do that.
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